The Bible....
- ellie1142545posted 15 years ago
0Where I come from respect has to be earned. Sorry.
Do you automatically respect everything I say - apparently not judging from your comments. You should respect my opinion that the bible and religionist spoutings are trash. No?
A one way street perhaps?
And this is how you earn that disrespect. I have quite clearly explained to you why this cartoon is perfectly appropriate.
You prefer to argue with me that it was the atheists who started going around accusing people of poor behavior and that believing in god was foolish.
Wait a minute! That won't work because the term atheist would not exist if it hadn't been for the believers selling god and telling people they are fools for not believing.
I understand that this is not an acceptable viewpoint for you, but that doesn't really matter. This cartoon very accurately represents the way I feel, and many others do also.
Whether you choose to listen to me is up to you. You arguing with me that it is really my fault, and I started it without provocation is not really going to change my mind.
I have read the bible.
It clearly tells me in words I can understand and do not need to look into a deeper meaning of, or discern the intent behind, that I am a fool.
Every time some one tells me they believe in the bible and accept everything it says, they are calling me a fool.
Yet I am the one making an unprovoked attack?
Yes, he does.
He has brought down the wrath of a vengeful, jealous god. I know - I have read her hubs.
Nice contribution to the discussion - again.
most of us holding tight to religion beliefs and missed to understand the message, understand the message and your beliefs, God is not beliefs, religion is, GOD is TRUTH not beliefs....Peace for you too
I generally have an online version of the Bible opened in another tab when I come into these Religion forums.
You know just in case our curly haired friend by the name of Mark Knowles wants to discuss the Word of God.If the Bible had anything to do with Cell Phones, I would have read it but ......
Atheist Inside the House.
Ya gotta be funny.... Mohammed himself ordered his adopted son to divorce his wife to satisfy his lust... and also married minor..... incest and pedophile gotta be ok... but alleged "pornagraphic" verses objectionable.... you're so funny
Neither are they made true by your positive reactions to it.
Although, the muslimist is best ignored...........Any claim not verifiable by experiments and experiences that can be replicated.... IMO fair game to be challenged.
Yep goodfriend and I will be the leading lady
theres some fireworks right there BOOM! lol
Look at the conflict in the following regarding King James Version.
"THE MOST ACCURATE AND CLOSE RENDERING OF THE ORIGINAL" — (The Times)
"YET THE KING JAMES VERSION HAS GRAVE DEFECTS." And, "THAT THESE DEFECTS ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS AS TO CALL FOR REVISION . . ." Preface RSV 1971
Following is a photographic reproduction from the R.S.V. 1971
Your media claiming it to be the finest version but your own Bible says there are grave defects in it. WHAT'S THIS ???
I read the Bible ,not every day ,it varies sometimes 5mins...sometimes an hour
Its a living book , it comes alive and inspiresWhat about the pornography mentioned in your Bibles ???
Reading Bible stories to children can also open up all sorts of opportunities to discuss the morality of sex. An unexpurgated Bible might get an X-rating from some censors, The PLAIN TRUTH October 1977
Translate the following please.
οὕτω γὰρ ἡγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται, ἀλλ᾿ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.Do you think translation would help?
Perhaps a sign of insecurity to not respect another because of their beliefs, interesting.
I find your manner , and personality arrogant, aggressive and derisive and thats way before I even know what you beleive in.
Someone once said to me , that Mark Knowles , he scares me , I wont go into the Religious forum because of him.
I tried to tell them , hes just a man , he cant hurt you , but you do because you bully and twist what people say ,all because youre angry at God??? or just angry ,I dunno
Get over it Mark and quit being such a smart arseHate ,no as a matter of fact Hell nooooooooooo...
( the only thing I hate are -Cockroaches-) seriously
Your statements are quite often inaccurate or you split hairs
( today is sunny , so eaglekiwi you dont like rain?)
and no you dont need to say more ,in fact less is better ,lol (sometimes)
Wasnt Brenda ,just two people that you casually blew off with your charm n insensitive remarks.
No doubt their fault for not having thicker skin , shame really, but you wont be pushing me around, saved or unsaved, so there
Synchronized posts. I added a link though
Is that a sin?.............
Thank you Mike!!!!
for it seems, I was the one who needed to ponder and remember exactly what this verse means. Thank you truly from my heart.
I am very familiar with the bible thank you.
It is largely religionist trash, most certainly is not the word of god, and although there are some truths in it, it is not True with a capital T.
Realistically, the version you are claiming to be the word of god was translated some 400 years ago and written expressly for the British Crown. In fact, if I remember correctly, the Crown holds the copyright in perpetuity.
The instructions the King gave the translators were fairly explicit in the threats of death and dismemberment being handed out for not following his instructions. Oddly enough, using religion or "faith" to control the masses has long been a hallmark of your "god's word."
It doth certainly belong unto Kings, yea, it doth specially belong unto them, to have care of Religion, yea, it doth specially belong unto them, to have care of Religion, yea, to know it aright, yea, to profess it zealously, yea to promote it to the uttermost of their power. (taken from the instructions to the translators)
The KJ was translated from Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.
Personally - I speak four languages reasonably well, and spend much of my time speaking with my friends in those 4 languages. It is almost impossible to translate certain phrases and words exactly - so I imagine what you have in your "God's word," is what whoever did the translating thought god meant to say.
Which makes it Man's word - or rather The King's instructions.
So - oddly enough, it tells you to accept your lot in this life and a better life awaits after death.
See where I am going here?
And - yes - I know what you think I have done and you are very, very wrong.- that exactly what I was gonna say! lol
Maybe she meant, in the book of Genesis. In that case... IN.
- \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago0
Come on Mark, give girl a break.
She personally did not shove anything down your throat, and she will learn all what it is there to learn for her in a due time, no need to push it thanks Misha. I will learn whatever I have to learn, sometime I guess. Anyone can say anything they like to me. I am a bit thicker skinned then you might think. I am actually pretty surprised anything I had to say was worthy of a repsonse from Mark.
Doesn't it feel better to play in fathers and daughters?
lol
You are a sucker for a pretty girl, Misha.
Yes - I do know. But all these (including Mr Frankl) are missing the point. There is an arrogance that comes from self awaereness that says, "I exist. And I am aware I exist, therefore this world was made for me."
This will be our eventual downfall and Douglas Adams said it best with his puddle analogy:
"Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."
The "Need" to believe in a higher power comes from fear that we are no more or less "worthy" than any other creature. Once you can get over this and accept that this is not the case, life becomes much simpler.
I am happy to be a grain of sand on the beach of life.
As far as I know Mark always accepts that there is a lot of unknown that seems to affect our lives. What he always rebels against however, is putting this unknown in a form of an old guy with white beard, that lives on a cloud and cooks sinners for eternal dinner. Or any other form for that matter.
Mark, sorry if I said anything wrongNo need to apologize - this pretty much sums it up.
Mark, I'll remind you of the faulty reasoning exhibited by Adams's puddle. He has confused his knowledge of his immediate surroundings for knowledge of the creator (and his intentions) of those surroundings. He also does not relize that his evaporation as a puddle is a necessary step toward becoming part of a cumulus cloud (heaven for puddles)
As for my own puddley thoughts, I have never precluded the possibilty of spiritual existence for creatures lacking in self awareness (even fierycj ) I think that what makes my current fluid existence and knowledge of my inevitable evaporation peaceful is knowing that infinite possibilities exist.Exactly the point. And I am sure the heaven for humans in not much different from the puddle's. Being as we are largely made of water. Which brings me to another favorite saying that "Humans were created by water as another way of getting around."
There are indeed infinite possibilities. I am pretty sure my atoms will be scattered around goodness knows how many other places after I am gone. But - I would hesitate to jump to the conclusion that there is a divine being involved or even that there was a "spiritual existence," in there. Sentient or otherwise.
No. I am not.
And even if I were, it is a big jump to say that because I am, everything else must be created.
Arrogant even.
I create, therefore everything else must have been created, because otherwise - it makes no sense and I am not as important as I thought I was.
Yes. . . .Yes You got it!!!
Aaahhh, No, it's you Mark, you just won't accept it. For just a moment I thought. . .Yeah, but you believe in talking snakes so........
I perceive this as ridicule. Am I right?
Perhaps you can explain to me why there are a (growing number of) "scientists" (probably evolutionary scientists) that are working overtime trying to establish some form of communication with animals. I'm sure you have heard of some of them. They study chimps, gorillas, killer whales, dolphins, to name a few.
Just a gentle jest dj.
And we even have one of those radicals here on hubpages:
http://hubpages.com/profile/Aya+Katz
I have no idea as to these people's motivation I'm afraid. Does it bother you that they are trying to learn something new and communicate with other animals apart from ourselves?If they have any sense, a pretty low opinion I would think. I know I do - as a species rather than individuals.
Which reminds me of a zoo I visited once. I don't remember where, but they had an exhibit entitled "The most dangerous animal on earth," in one of the big cat houses. After visiting the Lions, Tigers etc - you went into the room and found a big mirror.
But humans made up math to express in certain terms things that are not otherwise expressible.
That's why they call it the Universal Language. Doesn't mean it is right, it just means it works.
Frankly I don't see any logic either. May be you guys need to agree on definition of "create" first?
It's not my conversation, it's you and Mark.
I am watching it, and sometimes trying to help, but this is not the topic I am currently interested in seriously discussing Oh, I am definitely not looking out for you.
I am enjoying your conversation and collecting some information for myself. The first time I interfered I thought Mark already was done for the day, cause he is in France, so I dared to clarify his position so you don't need to wait till tomorrow. Second time I thought you guys got somewhat stuck, and offered a way out, as I saw it Thanks for the giggles Usmanali, sometimes it's even nice to have you here
Dancing Jewish Cupcake Bakers.hey listen everybody! some filthy freemasons made a new plan to destroy the world, I am planning a suicide attack on them
No, attacks by groups we disagree with do. Like those freakin' JapMasons!
Yes, certainly you are free to choose anything. And that's enough respect from my side
LOL
why the word Freemasons bite you always
Relax.... Don't take his words so seriously..... he is a nut case.... I find him very entertaining.
LOL
You built a strong case against me. and you forgot to mention that i do not call you DEAR anymore.
- \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago0
- ellie1142545posted 15 years ago0
Well, I already feel sorry for you.
You must have had a really really bad life to imagine that there is a life after you die that is somehow better than this one. And feel the need to evangelize about it in case others do not agree.
Rather sad really.
Good for you for being not affected by the signs outside the churches. Bet you are not affected by other forms of advertising either. Doesn't shape your decisions in any way.
Sorry to be the one to point out that you have been sold a bill of goods and even though you do not speak Greek or Aramaic or Hebrew, you are convinced that King James was in no way influenced by his personal goals when instructing the translators to translate the bible the way he said or die horrible deaths.
Very, sad - I feel sorry for you. What a crying shame.......
Never mind - I bet it helps to know you will live forever after you die.
Hey jenz
It is a great book , The Bible ,most loved , most hated , and most sold.
Some of it is heavy ( like one of those old Shakespeare drama's) and some is inspiring , some romantic ( Song of Solomon) woohooo...
I liked Proverbs alot last month ,lately Corinthians.
I can see why it also has been called "Lifes Instruction Manual"
For even though its been scoffed at and its truths ridiculed , one thing can not be denied.
It has survived and when most of us on this forum are all gone , The Bible will still be around ...
Jenz for you > Matthew 5, 1-10LOL This is where we definitely diverge. Coming from the country where homeschooling was just impossible, cause government had to indoctrinate every single child, I look at homeschooling much more favorably
It is still the same motivation - to escape government indoctrination, whatever part of it a particular person does not sign up to
Denys, I think i agree with Mark, you need to do your homework on evolution before you guys can move any further. You don't seem to understand that it is not about ape banging ape and giving birth to a human child.
An interesting point to look for is the point at which time we started creating art. Or rather became "self aware"
Not so long ago really. About 35,000 years is the best guess so far.
"Divine intervention"?
Who knows - but that is what I would be arguing if I was a religionist...............
And I know plenty of humans who seem to have lost their intelligence.
Oh, I definitely know you are not stupid. Just a statement of ape+ape=human did not really go well with understanding of evolution, hence my suggestion. And now it seems you got closer to understanding of evolution. The key thing really is that it is not ape+ape=human, but rather ape+ape=marginally changed ape, repeated countless times; plus those apes that better fit the environment tend to more often survive and make ape+ape
I would argue that swastika is older than catolics, but this is immaterial in the sense of this argument
So are you assuming all Catholics are Christians now?
Wow I never said all atheists were evil ,although Mark appears to 'know my mind' oh and Gods too...Id argue with a monkey ,but they cant talk
yea what I should have said was christians have done things in the name of God etc ( when really it was what they wanted to do)
and the same can be said for non-christians , atheists , o whoever else is against God and or bible...
History books are full of people who had all kinds of influences.
SO, we agree - religion is just an excuse.
Thanks Make Money, I can rest easy knowing that the Christian National Party that Hitler started was just another excuse to use your invisible super being.
I really, really appreciate you pointing out the seventh day Adventists as being exactly the same as all the other religionist political religions such as the catholic child molesting party.
Oh, I am sorry - the holy see.
As usual, your contribution is a 4LOL one. Good luck with the child abuse. Hope it goes well for you.Nice link Mark. I especially like the quote from Nazi's program in relation to our current vocal proponents of public needs
Oh, well, those who don;t remember history are doomed to repeat it, true dat.
Also, I got a question. Mike states you are full of crap. Implying of course that he is not. Do you know what exactly his ass produces then? Diamonds?Wouldn't even care to guess what his ass produces.
I know what comes out of the other end though.
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