Trump's Criminal Trials
Speaking to reporters at an early morning news conference in New York City, former President Donald Trump called former tabloid publisher David Pecker, a key witness in the hush money trial against him, a "nice guy."
"He's been very nice. David's been very nice. He's a nice guy," Trump said.
Uhm... Sounds fishy. Could this be a message to Pecker?
Pecker has spoken about two of the three "catch-and-kill" deals – but not the one involving adult film star Stormy Daniels, which is likely coming today.Trump's Criminal Trials
A Former President's Criminal Trials
A Presidential Candidate's Criminal Trials
No "trial" but "trials".
Just sit with that for a moment.
National Enquirer editor talked of being pardoned if Trump won
“At least if he wins, I’ll be pardoned for electoral fraud,” Howard said in one of the texts to his relative.
I think that says it all. They all knew what they were doing was illegal.Hush money judge rules Trump violated gag order, warns of jail time
The judge overseeing former President Trump’s hush money case held him in contempt Tuesday for violating a gag order nine times.
Judge Juan Merchan fined Trump $9,000 over his recent posts on Truth Social and campaign website attacking prospective jurors and prosecutors’ expected star witnesses, warning the former president that additional violations could result in jail time.
“Defendant is hereby warned that the Court will not tolerate continued willful violations of its lawful orders and that if necessary and appropriate under the circumstances, it will impose an incarceratory punishment,” Merchan wrote in his ruling, ordering Trump to remove the offending posts from Truth Social and his campaign website.If nothing about any of this bothers you, in the least (you, in fact, seem to be loving it) does the fact that only one party is consistently, "gagged", not bother you, in the least, as well?
The other party is not violating any gag orders. It's plain and simple. Trump has a big mouth and doesn't know when to keep it shut...or maybe he can't because it is not in his DNA.
So I am wrong in stating that all parties are not under gag orders?
Also, it wasn't you who I was responding to, but you are perfectly okay with the treatment of this man?This is from Island Bites. I couldn't have said it any better.
"Hush money judge rules Trump violated gag order, warns of jail time
The judge overseeing former President Trump’s hush money case held him in contempt Tuesday for violating a gag order nine times.
Judge Juan Merchan fined Trump $9,000 over his recent posts on Truth Social and campaign website attacking prospective jurors and prosecutors’ expected star witnesses, warning the former president that additional violations could result in jail time.
“Defendant is hereby warned that the Court will not tolerate continued willful violations of its lawful orders and that if necessary and appropriate under the circumstances, it will impose an incarceratory punishment,” Merchan wrote in his ruling, ordering Trump to remove the offending posts from Truth Social and his campaign website."Okay. The Judge seems to be lenient with Trump, in giving him a second chance.
I am absolutely OK with the treatment Trump is on the receiving end of - for once. He is only reaping what he has sown.
I see. Part of the guilty til proven innocent crowd.
These fake trials don't seem to bother the people of Wisconsin. A former strong liberal state.
"Shock poll: Trump edges past Biden in key state, potential sign of cracks in Dems' blue wall
Former President Donald Trump holds a two-point edge over President Biden in Wisconsin, according to a new poll on their 2024 presidential election rematch.
Trump stands at 51% support among registered voters in the crucial Midwestern battleground, with Biden at 49%, according to a Marquette Law School Poll released on Wednesday.
According to the survey, which was conducted April 3-10, the former president holds the same 51%-49% edge over his White House successor among the smaller pool of likely voters."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/shock-poll-t … 11578.html
Seems like a trend throughout the country.
Trump edging Biden out in all but 1 state, polling shows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1jA4Ez2c0
You can only imagine how well President Donald Trump would be doing if the democrats were not so busy doing their election interference.'These fake trials don't seem to bother the people of Wisconsin. A former strong liberal state.'
The only time it was a 'strong liberal state' was with Obama. Otherwise, the elections were fairly close for both parties. And quoting polling that is within the margins, when the Democrats have been overperforming the polls by eight percentage points on average since Roe, isn't really a 'shock.' It's more just the latest omission of a key data point.NPR Reporter shocked by Dems take on Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsqDduwcI0s
The MeidasTouch breakdown of McConney's morning testimony. McConney was the Controller for the Trump Org and handled the invoices.
https://www.meidastouch.com/news/smokin … rump-trialDA calls porn star Stormy Daniels as next witness
Stormy Daniels, the porn actress at the center of the hush money case against Trump, will take the stand as the district attorney’s next witness.
Daniels was paid $130,000 by Trump’s ex-fixer, Michael Cohen, to keep secret her alleged affair with Trump ahead of the 2016 election. Trump has denied any sexual relationship.
Earlier on Tuesday, Trump's defense attorneys objected to prosecutors' plans to go through the "full details" of the alleged sex act between Daniels and Trump during the New York criminal trial. Prosecutors clarified that they would "not go into details of genitalia."
Ay... SMH
The testimony is so cringy. I will be shocked if Trump doesn't break his gag order again when Court wraps up today.
We have the Jimmy Kimmel lineup if we need the details of genitalia.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=728463382258165
Judge indefinitely delays Trump's classified documents criminal trial
Judge Aileen Cannon has indefinitely postponed former President Donald Trump’s classified documents trial in Florida pending the resolution of multiple pre-trial issues.
The trial was scheduled to start May 20
Cannon also scheduled additional hearings on some of the pending issues, with the first one in May and the last one in late July. That schedule would mean the case is unlikely to go to trial before August.Not surprising. Smith should have gotten her booted long ago so that the case could have progressed.
Yup.
Former Trump White House attorney Ty Cobb criticized Judge Aileen Cannon after she indefinitely postponed former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents case.
“All she’s really done today, though, is make official what everybody, including Jack Smith, already knew, which was she had no intention of getting this case to trial,” Cobb told CNN’s Erin Burnett on Tuesday.
Cobb argued that Cannon, who was appointed by Trump, said her decision to boot the trial was a “combination of bias and incompetence.” He said her decisions, like scheduling a hearing about the Justice Department’s trial team, are “really inexplicable” and “tragic.”
“She has not honored the public’s interest for one day in this case, as she has sat in her office, apparently paralyzed from ruling on easily resolvable motions, and sadly, this case will not go to trial, notwithstanding the fact it’s one of the most important cases in history and could have easily been tried in advance of the election,” Cobb said.I had a thought. I was going to just let it go, but since it's you, I'll pose it as a question.
Could a purposeful choice not to go to trial be the right realistic choice?
Consider it this way: from the view of what folks call 'the big picture.'
Put guilt or innocence and probability in a box and close it. Take it as a given that he is provably(?) guilty. What would you get? Most likely some type of obstruction charge (or worse, simply a "mishandling" charge) that will do nothing to prevent him from being president.
How important is this in the public's view relative to the other trials' charges? The majority of Conservatives (tempted to say "public") will not see the "obstruction" difference between Trump and Biden. They will only see Trump prosecuted for the same thing Biden is let off for (yep, they're technically not the same).
Consider what we have already seen. The business fraud trial on business dealing charges that most of the world sees as standard business practices in big real estate and high finance. Of course that doesn't make it right, but singling Trump out—to make an example of, was seen by the majority of folks that aren't never-Trumpers, as political persecution. As in, if everybody has done it forever, why now, why just Trump?
Add that to the public's perception of the civil rape trial. An almost half-billion-dollar fine based only on believability in a he said/she said determination (the public saw no evidence beyond the accuser's testimony). Topped by the prosecutor's public threats and determination to seize property before a chance to appeal, and the reality of NY enacting legislative relief of a statute of limitations so that an ineligible case could be made eligible.
etc. etc.
None of that mitigates the reality of the charges, and none of it will change any Democrat minds, but it is surely in the minds of non-Democrats. The point is that the zeal to prosecute a bad man will result in a battle won and a war lost. It only helps Trump energize non-Democrat voters.
You guys get your pound of flesh at the expense of losing your seat at the table.
I think this judge might be doing you guys a favor. Imagine how the non-Democrat public will see trying to renew those prosecution efforts if the wheels fall off the Georgia case.
GAI dont know who "you guys" are, since Im not a Democrat. Politics or the perception of "(clearly rightwing in your case) people" should not be the reason someone is or not prosecuted.
Btw The majority of Conservatives (tempted to say "public") will not see the "obstruction" difference between Trump and Biden. Only if we're talking about uninformed or ashamed partisan ones. Maybe most of them are?
If "It only helps Trump energize non-Democrat voters" (you really mean right leaning, huh? Also, you finally admit it, that is cute), then that should tell you it has merits. Must partisan people from the left would be using your rationale.GA sure did make a lot of assumptions there about things such as:
'...that most of the world sees as standard business practices in big real estate and high finance.' I would disagree with that assertion.
'The majority of Conservatives (tempted to say "public") will not see the "obstruction" difference between Trump and Biden.' That temptation would have been false because most of the Non-MAGA public understands the vast differences in the cases between Trump, Pence, and Biden and why Biden and Pence were treated the same and that Trump took vastly different actions in his case, and that it is those actions that led to charges.
'Add that to the public's perception of the civil rape trial. An almost half-billion-dollar fine based only on believability in a he said/she said determination (the public saw no evidence beyond the accuser's testimony).' The public? I'm part of the public and I would agree with the jury. Mostly because of the misstatement by GA that the public only saw the accuser's testimony. That is so false that it's comical. There was testimony by the friends she relayed the events to in the moments after they happened. There was testimony from two other women who established a pattern by Trump, who did very similar things to them. And there was evidence of Trump's confession that he does the very thing he was being accused of by E. Jean Carroll.
That last claim was such brutal gaslighting that I had a good laugh when I read it.You're right. I do, and did, make a lot of assumptions. They are what I see and I see myself as fairly representative as a Conservative middle-American.
However, the assumptions I make are simply opinions and perspectives. If they are wrong then they are wrong.
For instance your point about the 'standard practices' stuff. I don't have any support for that other than it being my perception. So I can't argue with your disagreement.
As to the public's understanding (other than never-Trumpers) of the charges, it's a prophecy. I'm almost a never-Trumper and I can understand the perceptions of political persecution in the way things were handled. We'll have to wait and see.
Your misstatement poke is off-base (by inference). I did misspeak when I said "accuser's" testimony, but if I had more correctly said 'accuser and her friends' testimonies, which would include the others, the statement would have been correct, I think. I didn't intend to sound comical or ridiculous, much less purposeful. I didn't recall any physical or documentary evidence being presented. Maybe I missed it. I didn't follow the trial. If not, the civil trial was exactly as described — a he said/she said contest.
I didn't scroll back to see the gaslighting culprit. I bet it's in the same vein as those addressed here.
GAThe gaslighting was pertaining to a trial you readily admit not following and then trying to make out as a simple he said/she said when there was multiple testimony from her friends, and then strangers, as well as a confession from the defendant that he engages in the conduct being asserted.
And why on Earth would someone who wants to engage in that topic not educate themselves more fully on it before delving in? Arguing that there's a perception, without actually knowing the facts of the case, seems to speak directly to our point that Trump's supporters choose to be willfully oblivious to any of his misdeeds. A few years back, I'm not sure I ever would have lumped you into that group, but I personally feel you've shifted to be all-in with the MAGA crowd.Well hell Valeant, now you're being obstinate. Condensation is an ugly effort. Especially when accompanied by a heavy dose of arrogance.
I probably know as much as about the trial as you do. I have probably Googled the context of more of the 'facts and evidence' than you have. But I didn't sit and watch it blow-by-blow and I haven't engaged in endless rounds of forum discussions about who's right — hence my generalities about the evidence. I simply don't want to argue those facts. They're not pertinent to the point being made. None of my comments, to this point, have passed a verdict on the evidence, only noting what it was (or wasn't). All of your responses are arguments about why I'm wrong (or gaslighting) about the evidence.
As for the stuff in your closing . . . it's baloney.
You have a chance at redemption, show what evidentiary (as in non-testimonial) or documentary evidence Carroll or the others presented in court.
And, bless your heart, don't worry about what group to lump me into. I don't.
GaIt's not arrogance to call out a mischaracterization (or gaslighting) of how a jury arrived at a conclusion. So, you've actually Googled the trial and chosen to ignore the direct testimony then to assert it was simply a 'he said/she said' trial? What she said was supported with direct testimony by multiple others. And he didn't say anything because he was too much of a coward to take the stand in his defense. But they did play a tape of him confessing to the exact conduct asserted by the plaintiff.
There is no need to shift the goalposts to add in evidence that the jury did not find necessary to reach their unanimous verdict. Maybe if you were a juror, you would have required such evidence to vote him liable for the conduct alleged. This jury did not.
It appears I presumed too much.
"You guys" was a sloppy label. It was meant to cover Democrats mostly, but also folks that were gleeful that Trump was being held to account and saddened when it appears that accounting will be delayed. It wasn't intended derogatorily and, since it was you, I presumed that was the way you would read it. Oops.
Also, although my reasoning uses politics as a rationale, I was thinking more about prosecutorial discretion. As in weighing whether the desired results will be more profitable to 'you guys' in stopping Trump or detrimental by helping him with reinforcement of the political persecution perspective that a lot of folks have. All of those folks aren't just Right-wingers. I think there are a lot of Independent and non-Maga conservatives who see political persecution as a motive for some of the cases. That's not to say he may not be guilty as charged, it's to say it could be a case that would be better served by a little of that discretion. Surely you don't think prosecutors take every case to a grand jury? (Ok, that part is a little 'cute' ;-) )
If you think that line of reasoning is only in the minds of Right-wingers I think you are missing the big picture of what your real goal is—get rid of the dangers of Right-winger conservatives and get the sensible liberals back at the helm. That's the goal you are sacrificing for your pound of flesh. 'You guys' are going to prosecute Trump right into the White House.
To avoid the mistake of another wrong assumption, nothing about my point has to do with guilt or innocence. I put them in that box before I started.
GA'"You guys" are going to prosecute Trump right into the White House' And made history repeat itself again.?! Surely, when will you guys give Trump, a breathe or some breathe? Evidently, I've noticed certain of the wrongs Trump, was accursed of, were even done by biden, or VP Pence. The thing is that Trump was greatly disliked. That's my opinion.
Yep, there is no middle ground with Trump, he is either greatly disliked or loved. It depends on who you ask.
GAOh pity him, The 'real' Donald Trump. Left, or Right, he's not greatly or really liked. Neither by the Center.
I don't think it is as you describe though.
What you have expressed here is well thought out, common sensical, and in decades past would most likely be spot on.
But try to take in the bigger picture... as I tend to harp on from time to time... what are the powers behind the Biden Administration, or behind New York Attorney General Letitia James, etc.
We tend to leave these issues out... who is behind it... who is funding it... who controls it:
Soros family and other high-profile megadonors helped fuel the political career of New York AG suing Trump
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/soros- … uing-trump
George Soros, two of his family members and other megadonors helped propel the political career of New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is suing former President Trump.
George Soros’s Prosecutors Wage War on Law and Order
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just … -and-order
The rogue prosecutor movement is dangerous, well-funded, and systematically destroying America’s communities.
Why are we seeing the same freedoms, rights, and beliefs being attacked across the Western nations?
Why is the EU attacking its Farmers and the same is happening here much more quietly in America?
Why is there such a push in the EU to accept in millions of migrants the same as we see the Biden Administration doing here in America?
Why is there such effort to make Free Speech illegal in Ireland, Canada, etc. as well as America?
You have to take a deep dive into the WEF and the UN... how they married to one another back in 2019 and joined in their goals of a Great Reset and Agenda 2030.
You will own nothing and be happy about it... this effort is being brought by the most powerful corporations and wealthiest institutions and individuals.
As RFK Jr. himself said:
“There are three giant corporations: BlackRock, State Street and Vanguard, which own, collectively, own each other, so it’s really one giant corporation, but they also own 89% of the S&P 500. They own everything,” RFK said.
“You will own nothing, and you will be happy,” RFK Jr. quoted, sending a chill down the spine of every red blooded American who understands the danger and violence of one company literally owning the world. “Well, they’re on their way to making sure that we don’t own anything.”
https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/05/robe … mic-forum/
They are working hard to create a International Corporate Communist body that has no national sovereignty. And we see the Biden Administration working overtime to bring this to reality.
The Larry Fink and the George Soros of the world want Trump destroyed and all that he represents. Then they want to take away the rights to Property, Free Speech, and Liberty itself.Oh lordy, lordy, a "big picture" referrer gets referred to the "bigger picture."
You're right, I did leave your issues out. The 'Big Picture' is about as deep as I am comfortable with. I'll leave the "Bigger Picture" to folks who know more than I do.
GA
Donald Trump’s valet told investigators before the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago in 2022 that he randomly chose boxes of documents to return to the National Archives and Trump himself directed that dozens more boxes located at the resort wouldn’t be returned, according to recently unsealed court filings.
Nauta testified to a grand jury two months before the August 2022 search about boxes he took from Mar-a-Lago’s storage room in January 2022...
Nauta’s account was corroborated by a second witness, whose identity is not publicly known. Both said that Trump gave the direction not to give the National Archives any more boxes.
The recently unsealed filings show that investigators spoke to dozens of witnesses and obtained information about the inner workings at Mar-a-Lago and Trump’s White House that were not included in the initial charging documents against Trump and Nauta but could be used at trial.
Nauta seeking to throw out evidence from phone and email accounts
After Nauta gave the grand jury testimony, the Trump aide replaced his initial attorney with one provided to him through Trump-world.
In a separate set of filings made public in the Florida federal court case, Nauta also is asking US District Judge Aileen Cannon to throw out evidence that prosecutors obtained in searches of his phone and email accounts...
Federal prosecutors advised a judge in writing last week they would continue to make public updated versions of the Mar-a-Lago search documentation as they make more disclosures in the criminal case.
Tip of the iceberg?"Donald Trump’s valet told investigators"
Again here say evidence. More proof the left will believe anything anybody says.Considering that it's hearsay evidence and not 'here say,' let alone that it was a statement directed to the witness which does not make it hearsay in any way, it actually is relevant. So, more proof that the right should not play at being legal consultants.
You forgot the rest of the quote. ...before the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago in 2022 that he randomly chose boxes of documents to return to the National Archives and Trump himself directed that dozens more boxes located at the resort wouldn’t be returned.
The evidence? All the boxes the FBI found, plus all the times Trump said he didnt want to return them. SMH1. So? Every president including Obama had boxes of classified information in their personal residence after leaving office. It's not unusual.
2. biden is guilty of the exact same thing. But...he can't be brought to trial because he's a confused old man. A sound and judicial legal defense (that is sarcasm).
3. We need a legal system for all people, not just one for democrats and one for Republicans. This case illustrates perfectly the double standards....for confusing what actually happened and saying Biden did the same thing.
For anyone who has looked at the three recent cases of Trump, Biden and Pence, they would see that Biden's and Pence's cases are very similar. Trump's is unique in that he was requested to give back his documents and refused, lied about doing so, and obstructed justice to prevent their return.
None of the three were charged with simply possessing the documents, it's the willful retention and obstruction of justice acts that were charged. In this, Trump stands alone as neither Pence nor Biden committed those acts. Both former VP's cooperated immediately and fully, and is the real reason they were not charged.biden "Willfully retained classified documents." biden also shared classified documents with the person who was going to ghost write a book for him. He also broke the law in the storage of classified document.
Yes, biden broke the law in many ways.
He is not being charged simply because he is an forgetful old man.
It's called double standards.
I think the forgetful old man defense can now be used in many legal cases. biden has added to the creative legal defense for the future.
"“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” the report states.
“Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”
IF biden doesn't have the mental state to stand trial, he doesn't have the mental state to be president.And Hur was destroyed in his Congressional hearing.
From that hearing:
“You said to President Biden, ‘You appear to have a photographic understanding and recall of the House,’” Swalwell said. “Did you say that to President Biden?”
Hur conceded that “those words do appear on Page 47 of the transcript.”
Swalwell pressed further.
“‘Photographic’ is what you said, is that right?” he asked.
“That word does appear on Page 47 of the transcript,” Hur responded.
“Never appeared in your report, though. Is that correct? The word ‘photographic’?” Swalwell asked.
“It does not appear in my report,” Hur said.
So, Hur got caught in his own fabrications when pressed under oath and people actually looked at the transcript.
Next, as to willful retention:
Despite signs that Biden knowingly retained and disclosed classified materials, Hur’s report said criminal charges were not merited for multiple reasons. Those include the fact that as vice president, and during his subsequent presidency when the Afghanistan records were found, “he had the authority to keep classified documents at his home.” As for sharing with his ghostwriter, he had a hand-written note to Obama that stated his disagreement with the escalation. Hardly nuclear secrets.
Let alone that there was not a subpoena for records for either Pence or Biden. No one was aware that these documents were in their possession until they volunteered to return what their staffs have found. People were aware and demanded the return from Trump - which he illegally obstructed. Which is why the willful charge is so different between the three men. Biden and Pence - c'mon Mike, you can say Pence's name once when comparing the cases - both cooperated once it was determined by their staff that classified material was in their possessions. No subpoena existed in the case of either man. The defiance of the subpoena is what led to the willful retention charge for Trump. It's that difference that is key to the three cases. Something you never seem willing to acknowledge."Hur was destroyed in his Congressional hearing."
That is a matter of opinion.
"Hur laid out in detail how Biden mishandled classified materials, writing that FBI agents discovered materials from “the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden’s Wilmington, Delaware, home.”
"The materials included classified documents, including some marked at the highest top secret/sensitive compartmented information level, related to military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, as well as and notebooks “containing Mr. Biden’s handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence source and methods.”
The special counsel raised Biden’s age and memory in explaining why he didn’t bring charges.
“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.
“Mr. Biden’s memory also appeared to have significant limitations,” Hur wrote in another passage, adding that his conversations with his ghost writer “from 2017 are often painfully slow, with Mr. Biden struggling to remember events and straining at times to read and relay his own notebook entries.”
Again, if biden is too old and forgetful to be taken to trial, he is too old and forgetful to be president of the United States.Funny you should be critical of a matter of opinion, when you based your whole claim on Hur's opinion. One that was not substantiated by the actual transcript of his interview where he complimented Biden about his memory and recall. If someone is too old and forgetful, why would Hur compliment him about being the exact opposite.
Were Biden or Pence subpoenaed for documents? No.
Did they obstruct that subpoena? No.
Did they attempt to destroy the evidence of them violating that subpoena? No.
Did they lie to the government when the government asked if they had any further documents? No.
These are the crimes that Trump is charged with, and the answer to each question in Trump's case is yes. Trump is not charged with possession of the documents, even though he had them for significant time after becoming citizen Trump, as Biden and Pence were not either. It was Trump's attempt to illegally retain them after asked for them back that are his crimes. With Pence and Biden, they were never asked.Did biden break the law?
Yes.
" he complimented Biden about his memory and recall"
Oh, I would love to see that one.
It was actually quite the opposite.I, literally, posted his exchange with Swalwell in this thread where Hur did exactly that. Word for word. The cultish behavior to block out things that go against the MAGA narrative is getting pretty disturbing.
You seem to ignore the many memory lapses in the interview.
If biden was so spot on, why was it determined that he couldn't go to trial because he was
"Special Counsel Robert Hur said in a report that he opted against bringing criminal charges following a 15-month investigation because Biden cooperated and would be difficult to convict, describing him as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory."Robert Hur's report and testimony in Congress provided a candid insight into his perspective on why he refrained from advocating for Biden's prosecution. It's evident that Biden's solo moments reveal confusion and memory lapses, attributed to cognitive issues, rendering any legal pursuit futile.
This issue has been vigorously stirred by both traditional and social media, resulting in a plethora of sensationalized narratives.
Hur's articulate testimony leaves no room for doubt regarding his assessments, especially concerning the President's demeanor, underscored by the existence of recorded evidence, albeit not yet presented publicly like Trump's tapes.
In my assessment, our White House appears deeply entrenched in corruption, with numerous Federal agencies seemingly weaponized. Moreover, societal concerns persist regarding cognitive capabilities.
It is not hard to see this man is confused, and it's a shame nothing is being done to remove him. He is an embarrassment at this point.Yeah, which Hur was lambasted for doing in his Congressional hearing when the transcript has him stating the exact opposite. And Hur couldn't charge Biden even if he wanted to as Biden is a sitting president. So, he fabricated some lame personal opinion that his own words contradict and he got shown to be a partisan hack by members of Congress when they fed those words back to him. Clearly, you skipped Hur's hearing and continue to speak from only half the picture - which I find to be quite typical.
Why does the DOJ refuse to share the tapes from the Hurr investigation with Congress?
Answer..."biden's embarrassing details about his age and lack of recall.
The Justice Department informed House Republicans on Monday it has no plans to hand over an audio recording of President Joe Biden's interview with former special counsel Robert Hur, despite GOP threats to possibly hold Attorney General Merrick Garland in contempt for continuing to withhold the records.
"Our efforts at cooperation prove that we are, and continue to be, willing to do our part to show the American people that the officials who serve them can work together productively in the public interest while avoiding unnecessary conflict," senior DOJ official Carlos Uriarte said in a letter Monday to House Judiciary and Oversight chairmen Jim Jordan and James Comer. "Yet the Committees have responded with escalation and threats of criminal contempt."
Jordan and Comer subpoenaed the audio of Biden's interview following the release of Hur's report in February, which in addition to examining Biden's handling of classified materials while out of office also included embarrassing details about his age and lack of recall.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/defying … =109001565Because it has already been determined that the DOJ is not going to charge Biden or Pence. Investigations concluded. No need to share any further information with anyone.
They have a legal obligation to follow a subpoena from Congress. They have refused it.
The big question is why? Why would an organization responsible for upholding the law disobey it so blatantly?
Maybe because the tapes will reveal just how bad of shape biden is in right now.
It's called election interference and breaking the law to hide the truth is the democrat way of doing things.When the person issuing the subpoena did not uphold the legal obligation of his subpoena from Congress, that pretty much undercuts your statement.
So, you readily admit that the committee's goal is not in using the tapes for any law, but for purely political smears. Yeah, not sure the DOJ has any desire to assist the GOP with those endeavors. If they want to hold Garland in contempt and see if his DOJ will prosecute him for denying the partisan hacks of the GOP, ones who also violated subpoenas, the opportunity to fabricate another narrative like Hur did, they can attempt to do so. Like removing the speaker that Greene tried recently, it's a fools folly. And the GOP in Congress has plenty of fools right now."So, you readily admit that the committee's goal is not in using the tapes for any law, but for purely political smears. "
No, but if the tapes reveal biden is cognitively impaired Congress must act. This can't be considered a political smear, but a desire to get to the truth. The reality of a man who is running the most powerful country in the world. As long as the tapes are true, I believe the American people have a right to hear them.
biden DOES work for the American people no matter what warped concept democrats have on how the government is run.No? That's pretty much what you stated by mentioning it as election interference. You want the MAGA members of Congress to be able to 'potentially' use these tapes to hurt Biden's election chances. And because they can't, you call it election interference.
I notice you abandoned your 'they must obey a Congressional subpoena' claim as soon as I noted the hypocrisy of Jim Jordan ignoring his Congressional subpoena.
Biden has senior moments. This is no secret. Just as Trump does now. Congress has no power to do anything about that situation. If the Attorney General felt there was an issue, he could convene the cabinet and invoke the 25th Amendment. It's not Congress' role, now is it?"You want the MAGA members of Congress to be able to 'potentially' use these tapes to hurt Biden's election chances."
Wong. If biden is not able to fulfill his job as president American citizens have a right to know. It has nothing to do with politics and everything with discovering the truth.
No, I still believe the DOJ should respond to a Congressional Subpoena.
"Congress has no power to do anything about that situation."
I think you need to read about the 25th amendment of the US Constitution.Wong? Then why mention it as election interference? Biden's out in the public eye most days. The public gets plenty of opportunities to judge his abilities.
So, you believe the DOJ should have to respond to Congressional subpoenas but excuse GOP reps. Yeah, let's not go talking about two-tiers of justice any longer, ok?
And I will give you the 25th Amendment point. I did not realize they could make law to have an effect on a scenario involving presidential incapacity. I admit my fault there, good catch."why mention it as election interference"
Because the reason for refusing them is based on how it would impact an biden's election chances and not as something the American people should be able to hear and evaluate for themselves.
"The public gets plenty of opportunities to judge his abilities."
biden reads off a teleprompter. Recently he made a statement and then read the word "pause." He has so far refused to set a date to debate President Donald Trump. That speaks volumes.
I still believe the DOJ should respond to this supoena. It is not to find guilt or innocence of an individual. It is to determine in the person running the most powerful country in the world has the capacity to do so. The fact that these tapes are being withheld also speaks volumes.
What is the fear of having the American people hear their president respond during such an interview?Yeah, we're going to agree to disagree on the GOP needing the video when they already have the written transcripts. We have seen how they gaslight the American public, lying about what something says like the checks that Biden sent to Hunter to cover a car loan. They act in bad faith and misconstrue the facts.
As for reading off a teleprompter, I've got news for you, both candidates do it. And as to not setting a date to debate, that's not irregular as most debates happen closer to the election and have been set by others in the past. Just another norm broken by Trump. Let alone we'll need to see if Trump is in court during that time with his DC trial.
Look, you can assume the worst about the tapes. That's fine. It would likely show something not flattering to Biden, just as the E. Jean Carroll deposition showed Trump unable to determine if E. Jean Carroll was one of his wives.
Mike here is a link to Hur Before Congress... Riveting, and he certainly sticks to his views without any question. He was a meticulous speaker and was unscathed by anyone who questioned him. This DOJ will never release the tapes. But here is the transcript of Hur's interview with Biden.
It is full of all kinds of crazy... not sure why no one has picked it up and fact-checked it. But it is a mess of crazy.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents … robert-hur
https://www.c-span.org/video/?534073-1/ … ort-part-1
Biden is a confused man, that should not be in the White House, but in his home in Delaware with some ice cream, and some wigs to sniff.
'So? Every president including Obama had boxes of classified information in their personal residence after leaving office. It's not unusual."
Trump is accused of keeping classified documents after leaving the White House and storing them "in various locations at The Mar-a-Lago Club including in a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, an office space, his bedroom, and a storage room," according to the indictment. He is also accused of a "scheme to conceal" that he had kept those documents.
Trump is charged separately for each of 32 documents under the Espionage Act. The other eight charges against him include making false statements and engaging in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. The big difference, Trump allegedly ,willfully retained the documents.
This is unlike any other president. And this judge seems to be clearly dragging her feet. The American people deserve to hear this evidence.
Isn't it consistently just the tip of the iceberg with Trump? Haven't we grasped that Democrats will resort to almost anything to impede Trump's return to the White House? It's worth noting that the Florida case has been postponed for now. Hopefully, it stays that way until after the election. If so, Trump might just dissolve the iceberg into a mere puddle and possibly even pardon himself.
"A judge has indefinitely postponed Donald Trump's federal trial in Florida over his alleged mishandling of classified documents while in office. US District Judge Aileen Cannon said that setting a trial date before resolving significant questions over trial evidence would be "imprudent".3 hours ago" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68972255It's worth noting that the Florida case has been postponed for now. Hopefully, it stays that way until after the election. If so, Trump might just dissolve the iceberg into a mere puddle and possibly even pardon himself.
Ah, a guilty man's dream. Only MAGAs... SMH
That goes right to the willful charge. Not that Cannon will ever let this go to trial.
It's all a moot point now.
"Federal judge indefinitely postpones Trump classified documents trial
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Judge Aileen Cannon has indefinitely postponed former President Donald Trump’s classified documents trial in Florida, citing significant issues around classified evidence that would need to be worked out before the federal criminal case goes to a jury.
In an order Tuesday, Cannon cancelled the May trial date and did not set a new date. While Trump was in criminal court Tuesday for his hush money trial in New York, Cannon’s move means there are no trial dates currently set for the other three criminal cases against him.
By indefinitely postponing the classified documents trial, Cannon’s order pushes it closer to the 2024 election – and potentially afterward."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/politics … index.htmlPerhaps only moot if Trump wins the election. His New York trial is not going well, and he loses another 10% of voters if he's convicted. On top of the 20% he's already lost as Nikki Haley got over 128,000 votes in Indiana's recent primary for 21.73% of the vote - while not even being in the race. When he loses in 2024, this trial will go forward, and the evidence is damning.
This case illustrates that our legal system works with someone - anyone - doesn't comply with our laws. Laws that apply to everyone.
It also illustrates just how far some will go to avoid admitting they were wrong in 2016 and are still wrong now. History will remember.Terrible. Poor Trump. I pity him. What evil done to him, besides his human sins, is unimaginable.
'If you think that line of reasoning is only in the minds of Right-wingers I think you are missing the big picture of what your real goal is—get rid of the dangers of Right-winger conservatives and get the sensible liberals back at the helm. That's the goal you are sacrificing for your pound of flesh. 'You guys' are going to prosecute Trump right into the White House.'
Man, way to invent a goal for someone. How about the only goal being to hold someone accountable for their obvious crimes? The minute Cohen was convicted and co-conspirator #1 was named, that became obvious that laws had been broken. Then we all heard a president blackmail another country for a fake investigation, heard him pressure state elections officials to overturn an election, and listened to him lie about fraud to try and get a federal American election overturned that he clearly lost. Add to that the refusal to return the nation's nuclear secrets and this isn't about 'conservatives,' but about one lawless man breaking the laws to get into and then try and remain in office, and once out of office, willfully endangering the nation by trying to hold onto material he had no business having."sensible liberals"
No such thing. It doesn't exist. It is an urban legend.To the radicalized who show up to a 'Stop the Steal' rally that most sensible Americans know is based on lies, it would seem that way.
"most sensible Americans"
That would eliminate those on the left.
Here is a thought for everybody. If Trump is innocent of all his wrong doings, why does he have to have a blanket immunity. An innocent person does not require immunity. The fact that he has to have immunity shows that he knows he is guilty of everything that he is being indicted for.
Going for a defense option doesn't necessarily equate to guilt. If it's there, why not use it?
Explaining things gets exhausting.
The blanket immunity is no just for President Donald Trump but for ALL presidents.
It appears to me that delving into Judge Cannon's decision might be redundant, as she has already provided a clear rationale. However, it seems both traditional media and social media have amplified various interpretations of her actions. It's disconcerting how individuals without legal expertise feel entitled to weigh in on such intricate legal matters.
Considering Judge Cannon's own words in her recent order, where she sets out the timeline for resolving pending matters by late July, it's evident she's meticulously managing the case. Exploring the scheduled hearings for May, June, and July reveals the depth of her diligence. Yet, it seems some are impatient with the pace, despite the judge's evident commitment to thoroughness.
Maybe start with the judge's own words -- Maybe this court document might clarify why she postponed Trump’s classified docs trial.
"ORDER SETTING SECOND SET OF PRE-TRIAL DEADLINES/HEARINGS Following the Court’s prior Order setting the first batch of substantive pre-trial deadlines, the Court hereby establishes the second set of pre-trial deadlines to manage pending discovery and disclosure matters, adjudicate pre-trial motions before the Court, and advance through additional stages of the Classified Information Procedures Act (CIPA) as implicated in this complex-designated case:" TAKE NOTE --- "Cannon’s new order sets a timeline to resolve those matters by late July." Source https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap … .530.0.pdf
Surprisingly, the hair-on-fire punitive individuals might overlook the potential advantage Judge Cannon has inadvertently offered them. By scheduling the trial just a month before the election, she's essentially provided an opportunity for their cause to gain significant traction. It's rather obvious, isn't it?
DUH, and LOL and all that stuff... No really.More campaign finance violations coming for Trump's campaign?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … &ei=23
'Delgado’s filing presented evidence of top Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz openly admitting that the campaign wanted to use a law firm to cover up a potential settlement payout in 2017. The arrangement, as Delgado described it, appears specifically designed to evade the consequences of federal disclosure laws that require campaigns to publicly report the identities of payment recipients.'Key witness Michael Cohen, Trump's former fixer, takes the stand in hush money trial
Cohen recalled what Trump thought his wife Melania would feel about Stormy Daniels’ story resurfacing.
Cohen asked Trump, “How things gonna go upstairs?” referring to Melania Trump.
“Don’t worry. How long do you think I’ll be on the market for? Not long,” Trump said, according to Cohen.
Cohen interpreted that to mean he was not worried about Melania, but rather he was worried about the campaign.
Yikes.You do know that Michael Cohen has previously committed perjury...right?
He went to jail for three years for tax evasion, lying to banks and Congress, and violating campaign finance laws.
He is an unworthy witness and a proven liar.Yup. Trump best people.
It seems he likes to surround himself with criminals. I wonder why.You shouldn't believe anything he says with his history of lying.
Careful now. The skeletons are a rattlin' in Biden’s closet.
I wonder why anyone would think a Trump supporter would care about any of the charges brought against him?
When they can see every crime Biden (or Clinton) has done is ignored, denied, or disclaimed... despite 100% proof that they occurred.
When they know the politicians running the show today are as corrupt and criminal as anyone, anywhere. More white collar, fraud, and pedophilia type of crimes... well that and the classified information, a few strange deaths and taking money from China... Ukraine... etc.
People like Biden (and his son) are awash in criminal activity... all ignored... by the same people that spend hours of their day preaching about Trump's sins.
We are supposed to be upset about Trump hush money or paying back his loan on time?
Imagine if all this effort investigating Trump had ever been put into the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK?
Imagine if they put all that effort into investigating why 1.5 billion was given to Hunter Biden just days after he flew to China with his dad when he was VP and on official business?
Funny how the Clintons got money from China way back in the 90s, along with those suspect deaths and accusations of rape and assault. Sweep, sweep... nothing to see there.The type or scenario of negative mindset engineered against Trump, is very disturbing.
This post is the epitome of how MAGA ignores the basic facts of what actually happened in regards to all the activity.
They continue to ignore why Trump was charged in the classified documents case while Pence and Biden acted differently and were not.
In regards to Hunter Biden. $1.5 billion? More like $4.2 million. And Hunter didn't take any of the 10% stake he earned by raising money for the fund until after his father left office. It's these gross exaggerations by Trump that funnel down to his base and undermine any credibility.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019 … den-and-c/
So, yeah, we understand why MAGA supporters don't care about Trump's crimes. They believe conspiracies and false equivalencies to think that everyone is as corrupt as Trump. When in reality, Trump has committed so many more crimes than any other politician in recent history.It is inexplicable.
A growing state of delusion throughout society.
Its most probably unavoidable as so much of what we believe and are told is fabrication or deception.
To choose to believe it requires some ability to detach oneself from reality and accept insanity as normal.
This is why we are at where we are at... and men now are treated as women. Kids are allowed sex changes. We send hundreds of billions to fund wars that have 0% chance of victory but increasingly greater percentage of chance to end civilization as it drags on. And so much more... if the goal is to destroy Western Civilization (a high probability that this IS the goal of those like Soros) we are on the right course.If you have ever been in therapy, what you have written what is called
Catastrophizing. It is a type of cognitive distortion.
Catastrophizing means that a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not. Therapy and medications can help people reduce or stop catastrophizing.Everthing stated, which you are responding to, is fact. Sad but true, all of these things have been happening!
There was no personal attack against you, why did you make it personal toward Ken? Suggesting he needs meds and therapy... for what? Stating facts?!?
This is why so many people have stopped contributing to the forums. Because of people like you.He's not the only one to note the constant fearmongering. The economy was supposed to crash three years ago. We are supposed to be in a World War any time a preferred party is not in charge of the country.
I agree, though, that the wording could have been a bit more general to note there's a disorder that could explain why people do such things instead of using the word 'you' to direct it at a specific forum user in this example.Grounded in reality, because I have been there and seen it.
I have been to the parts of the world where parents sell their daughters into slavery/prostitution so they can pay their bills.
Where kids pick through trash in the dump so they can find something to eat or sell.
Where people prefer to take the chance walking through a mine-field to get to where they want to go rather than stay a moment longer where they are at.
I have seen enough to know that the choices our government is making today, the Biden Administration, is fast tracking those types of realities to start becoming the norm here, in America, if they are allowed to continue steering the nation on the course they have us on and spending Trillions more each year than we bring in.
Is it too late to save America?
I don't know... but it starts with ridding ourselves of the most corrupt, callous, ignorant and diabolical Administration we have seen yet."I don't know... but it starts with ridding ourselves of the most corrupt, callous, ignorant and diabolical Administration we have seen yet."
Yet still defended by American citizens who choose to justify this behavior and keep the person responsible, in office.
Oh, the irony.
Pretending the competition is a criminal so that "the big guy" is, at least, fairly appealing.
Yup, sounds about right.Glad that we can agree on something! I understand that Hunter has other names for his Father, in addition to, Big Guy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-joh … 15e0fb3708
Yes, it has to be all part of some sort of cult. Even the Speaker of the House is obliged to kiss Trump's ass?He grumbled that he had no support, poor little man baby. So his MAGAs got in line like good soldiers. He's admittedly circumventing the gag order, saying they are his surrogates.
Number of Americans who think Trump falsified records in election interference case grows to 52%. Trump's favorability rating drops from 45% to 41%.
A majority of Americans now say that they would approve (51%) rather than disapprove (36%) of Trump being sentenced to prison if found guilty.
And it's another poll that shows the two different realities the parties are living within: belief that Trump falsified business records has increased more among Democrats (+8, from 80% to 88%) than among Republicans (+3, from 13% to 16%) — a partisan pattern that’s reflected throughout the latest (Yahoo News/YouGov) poll.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-yahoo-ne … 08677.htmlTrump's defense strategy versus what actually happened in that courtroom.
The thing is that one dislike a person like Trump, for what he is, not what he did.
I’ll say this slowly. Trump tried to overthrow an American election. That is an unprecedented offense against our democracy. That must NEVER happen again. You don’t “pardon” someone who does THAT to this country. You throw the book at him.......
Joe Walsh
In response to Mitt Romney's suggestion that President Biden pardon Trump for his crimes."I’ll say this slowly. Trump tried to overthrow an American election. That is an unprecedented offense against our democracy. "
I'll say this even slower. NO...he did not. He has been falsely accused of so many things by the left, it is difficult to keep track of them.
The FBI and democrats who Orchestrated Jan 6 are the ones who should have the book thrown at them. They are the ones who should be in jail for it.
There is no case for it and only democrat delusional thinking as usual.More conspiracy BS, Mike? People are not going to fooled indefinitely by Trump, MAGA and its lies. Democrats orchestrating January 6th, sure, how far are you are willing to go to give cover to the Orange pig?
All the way to the Capitol. He's a true believer in all of Trump's lies. Just as the post earlier projected that the other side is the delusional one and detached from reality, despite us doing some basic fact-checking of many of the things being posted here. With the usual fearmongering and transphobia thrown in.
Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., shared a photo of himself standing outside the courtroom earlier on X, saying he was "standing back and standing by."
It was clearly a reference to when Trump told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" during one of the presidential debates against Biden in 2020.
Yuck.Michael Cohen CAUGHT LYING In Trump Trial, HIS OWN LAWYER Says He LIED UNDER OATH In House Testimony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrO1sQYX0fsCohen testified this week he kept that information from Costello out of fear that the lawyer would “immediately run back” to another of his then-clients — Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City and personal lawyer to Trump — to share that information.
Mr. Costello is a lawyer who once advised Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former fixer and the prosecution’s star witness, acting as his back channel to Mr. Trump and the White House in 2018.
This role, which came by dint of Mr. Costello’s close ties to Mr. Trump’s legal team at the time, was mostly informal. Mr. Cohen never officially retained Mr. Costello or paid him a cent. But the prosecution spotlighted their communications to emphasize Mr. Trump’s broad influence over Mr. Cohen.
At the time that Mr. Cohen and Mr. Costello were speaking, Mr. Cohen was the target of a federal investigation partly related to the hush-money payment to a porn star at issue in the current state case. Mr. Cohen paid off the woman, Stormy Daniels, to silence her story of a sexual encounter with Mr. Trump.
After the F.B.I. searched Mr. Cohen’s home and office in April 2018, Mr. Trump phoned him with an encouraging message, Mr. Cohen recounted on the stand Tuesday.
And once Mr. Trump stopped calling, Mr. Cohen felt that Mr. Costello became his messenger, delivering implicit instructions to, in the former fixer’s words, “stay in the fold, don’t flip, don’t speak.”
Mr. Costello has said that he never told Mr. Cohen to keep quiet. Instead, he has said, he was merely relaying messages from Mr. Trump’s legal team, including Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York mayor who was close to Mr. Costello. (Mr. Costello later represented Mr. Giuliani in criminal and congressional investigations.)
In one email to Mr. Cohen, Mr. Costello wrote, “Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places.”
Mr. Costello and Mr. Cohen had a falling out, partly over unpaid legal bills. Last year, Mr. Costello testified before the grand jury that ultimately indicted Mr. Trump, seeking to undercut Mr. Cohen’s credibility.
Mr. Costello also sued Mr. Giuliani over delinquent bills.Costello was never Cohen's lawyer.
Dan Goldman summed it up...
He told Costello that if he did have pertinent information he should be using it in a legal setting.
"Let's talk about this two-tiered system of justice. Let's talk about lawfare," Goldman said on Wednesday. "Mr. Costello, your entire opening statement, as I heard it, was simply to discredit Michael Cohen."
He went on: "Sir, I think you're in the wrong place. Michael Cohen is currently on the witness stand at a trial in Manhattan, and if you have information about Michael Cohen's testimony, you should talk to Donald Trump and his lawyers and see if they want to call you as a witness to impeach Michael Cohen."
Will he be called for the defense? Certainly not. He can get away with that kind of nonsense before Congress but not in a court of law.
If you guys want to fearmonger, go do it in your own thread. It has no relevance to this topic, which is Trump's criminal trials.
Just stating facts; all crimes, all the ugliness leads straight to Biden & company.
AB out.
A Florida attorney lays out the evidence of the multiple times that Trump acknowledges that he is reimbursing Cohen and not paying for legal fees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnQbNRGpHGs
In summary, he did it:
1.) in a civil case
2.) in a Truth Social post
3.) on a government ethics form
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