No need to be skeptic "in the name of science"; it is a blind faith.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   One must think positively; no need to be skeptic “in the name of science” to start with, it is a negative thinking and of course a blind faith.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      if we weren't skeptical we would still think the Earth was flat and burn people at the stake for witchcraft.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hello beautiful. We would also sacrifice our children.

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend
            
            If you would be truthful in religion, you won't do that. Did Adam or Johan did that?
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               lol are you sure about this.
               
               God sacrificed his child in christianity, yet you think it's impossible for other religious beliefs of god to sacrifice their children. The christian god didn't set a very good example.

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                  angel115707posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Jesus gave up at his own will, he actually chose when he would die, he could not die otherwise....God gave up his only son, but Jesus made his own choice....you have to actually read the book, before you talk about it.

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                     DavitosanXposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Wasn't that son actually God himself? What is the merit of coming to the world to die if you are God? What do you mean he couldn't die otherwise? He came and died because he wanted to. If he had wished to redeem us in any other way, he could've gotten away with it. He's God after all. It just happens that he's a drama queen.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend
         
         Newton believed in Religion; he did not have to be a Skeptic to become a Scientist.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend cosette
         
         Did Moses or Jesus burn people at the stake  for witchcraft?
         
         If it would have happened in their times; they would have stopped it.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Jeff Berndtposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            "Did Moses or Jesus burn people at the stake  for witchcraft?
            
            If it would have happened in their times; they would have stopped it."
            
            I think that's correct: Moses probably would have insisted that the witch be stoned to death rather than burned at the stake, while Jesus probably would have tried to stop the execution entirely.
            
            But what bearing does that have?
            
            Skepticism is something that a scientist needs to be a good scientist. When some guy claims to have achieved cold fusion, a scientist doesn't start celebrating. A scientist will want to read the data, replicate the experiment, and/or peer-review the research first.
            
            Faith in a higher power is not incompatible with being a scientific skeptic.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend Jeff Berndt
               
               I agree with you. There is no contradiction in Science and Religion in reality; but the Skeptics carry or miscarry it too much.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         angel115707posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hey it was Europeans who thought that...lol... I am a descendant of Creeks and Europeans, we always knew it was round, we always knew..common sense....the sun and moon are also..as Phillip Deer said, this is a confused people..modern society...we need red lights to tell us to stop and go, most ingredients in our food are names people do not understand, there fore we do not know what we are eating, and even said when he was in Europe the torture chamber was next to the church..."who is really the savage" he said...I agree with him on that point!

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i dont think being skeptical is blind faith..one must always start with doubt and if logical faculty is convinced then only believe in what ever is being written...one must satisfy its thinking brain to be firm and true believer in anything...

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         angel115707posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         how sad, I have been a creature of faith sense before I can remember, not just in Christianity, but In God and fully aware, all creatures were part of us, I remember hugging a raven when still in my diapers and my mother scaring him off, I have always been connected to the higher source, but having almost died by age one may be part of it, I have no need to doubt in anything, except the morality of men.

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      crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are one of the biggest skeptics on here.  You reject absolutely everything that is not Islam or Islam aligned.  You don't even give it a passing thought.  If it doesn't align with your belief IT IS WRONG.  There are many atheists on here that practice the same blanket skepticism yes, but don't be so naive as to rule yourself out as a skeptic - you could be their leader.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend teacher crmhaske
         
         Thank you for making me a leader of the Skeptic; while I am only a humble person and don't want others to follow me. Skepticism is a nevative thinking make one pessimistic. I know its limitation. I think positively. I don't have to do anything with the Skeptics except that they should employ reason whith its limitations that make reason blind. Revelation is the eye which widens the vision of human beings, and they start seeing.
         
         I would like you to make Buddha focal point of your thinking; instead of Buddhist or Buddhism. Then you will be able to teach us; and we are all ears to you, in humility.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Usmanali - Thank you so much. Islam has been proven to be false and lies now - all thanks to you.
            
            You are truly Skeptical.
            
            Thank you for teaching that the path to Truth is Skepticism.
            
            I admire you Usmanali. Well done - now we all know the Truth about Islam.
            
            Peaceful atheist skeptic

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You are as guilty of being a skeptic as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo. 

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            mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            paarsurrey,
            
            It may be that you've mistaken skepticism for pessimism, Ahmadi peaceful Muslim friend.
            
            Is it possible for you to see skepticism as skepticism, apart from pessimism?

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend mythbuster
               
               I would like their reason part; but they don't stick to it. Go to any of the discussion forum run by the Skeptics Atheists Ignostics; they use derision and ridiculing others as their confirmed policy. They don't respect others just for being fellow human beings.
               
               I am not against them; I am at peace.
               
               Thanks and regards

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Islam does not respect anyone for just being a human being. Islam sends those who are not Muslim to Islamic hell. Islam does not deserve any respect whatsoever.

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                  mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Not all Skeptics, Atheists and Gnostics ridicule others and do what you're accusing them of, Ahmadi peaceful Muslim...
                  
                  And if you're judging all on those who do, it may be that this gives you the wrong ideas and definitions of Skeptics, Atheists and Gnostics.
                  
                  If you wish to be peaceful, can you learn what true Skepticism, Atheism and Gnosticism is and respect those who are practicing their beliefs in a peaceable way?
                  
                  Is this not what you profess to be doing, too? Trying to be peaceful, accepting and tolerant?

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      angel115707posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I really do agree with you on this one! it is a blind faith to be a skeptic, to blindly trust nothing higher than yourself, practically narcissism.  Science isn't meant for skeptics, but many hide in that arena...lol.
        Some of these comments are obviously offended skeptics? haha...piles of poo etc...are these adults on this site....I will always refer SodaHead.com to these who love to argue and have no maturity what so ever..it is a forum specifically for arguing over political stupidity or anything that doesn't matter as they did here.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Skepticism is a blind faith "in the name of Science". It is for this that not all the Skeptics become Scientists.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are being too skeptical about being too skeptical.

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         skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Nice catch..

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   Paar, You believe you are a prophet don't you?

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   secularist10posted 14 years ago

   Why is skepticism a blind faith?

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend secularist10
      
      Life is a positive thing; if one makes one's habit to be skeptical, one has made a habit blindly; one would always be surrounded with doubt and confusion.
      
      No use being skeptical.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         secularist10posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         "No use being skeptical."
         
         So you are not skeptical of anything at all?

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         Obscure Divineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         So, you believe everything you're told?  Ha-ha!  Sheer folly!  LOL!

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            secularist10posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I'm glad somebody recognized the absurdity, cuz I don't think Paar surrey did!

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   It's a lot easier to believe everything than it is to believe nothing.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend
      
      Do you believe that you don't exist?
      
      Thanks

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   wyanjenposted 14 years ago

   This is a ridiculous and contradictory statement.
   
   blind faith is belief without understanding.
   science is a process of proving or disproving a theory by  gathering empirical evidence, with the purpose of gaining understanding.
   
   This thread is nothing more than an attempt validate mythical religion by mislabeling the quest for knowledge as "blind faith". Why not apply the scientific method to the so called truths that religion provides? Or is it better to make people think science is some kind of fraud...
   
   ... because that way, nobody will shine a light on these bogus claims that we're told believe on the basis of blind faith.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   wyanjen wrote:
   
   blind faith is belief without understanding.
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   Well my faith is with reson; I don't have a blind faith.
   
   The Skeptics have a blind faith in the Scientists; that they are always right and that their opinion in all the human fields are final. The Skeptics also blindly believe that the Scientific Method is the best means of knowing the Truth. I have no such blind faith. In physical realm the Scientific Method could be useful but in moral and spiritual realms it is most worthless.
   
   They forget that everythig has evolved to reach the present stage and many factors have worked for that; to believe one factor only and to deny the rest is not fruitful.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Obscure Divineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't have these problems because:
      
      Thanks,
      
      I am chaotic Agnostic with insane Actualities to combat Asininities...

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         wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         nice

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend
            
            What does that mean.
            
            Thanks

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               Obscure Divineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi, friendly chap...
               
               It means......
               
               Thanks,
               
               I am chaotic Agnostic with insane Actualities to combat Asininities...

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      wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Again, this is a contradictory statement.
      You clearly have no understanding of skepticism, and you would do well to stop applying absolute statements to it.
      Skeptics do not believe anything blindly - this is the essence of skepticism.
      
      May I add, scientists prove each other wrong constantly. It is their purpose to do so.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   wyanjen wrote:
   
   Or is it better to make people think science is some kind of fraud...
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   I respect the Science, Scientific Method and the Scientist in their respective fields; out of their fields they might be sometimes just laymen.
   
   Life should be balanced and all human faculties must be respected.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   Science proves it is tangible and that theories were correct or are corrected daily.
   Example. web hosting. Hundreds of tests of scientific theories every day.
   
   Science does not know everything, but what it does know is made tangible from rocket science down.
   
   Religion on the other hand is fantasy caused by a fear of death and gullibility.
   
   They can feel superior to other humans while pretending humility.

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      angel115707posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you have alot of faith in yourself...lol...it is men who create fear and the need for it, I never knew fear until I knew men, but I always knew God and nature...your a nut case!

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         Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Nope angel115707 Earnest happens to be right. The Catholic Church did a roaring trade during the plague years in Europe when a LOT of people were afraid. Evidence for this? When were the great cathedrals built? Fear of God is even mentioned a LOT by religious types.
         
         Yes Earnest does have a lot of faith in himself and it is a spill over from the use of logic and reason. No problem there. Calling him a nut case is just plain rude.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         and you have more front than Myers Stores!  Just in case you have never travelled, Myer is like Macy's OK?

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            Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I think our angel without the wings has stopped talking to us Earnest.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Geez one goes another comes. Like Paddy I tink de loits attracten em!

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                  Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Angel's just got some growing up to do before she can earn her wings.

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Hi friends
    
    Science by its very definition cannot see beyond the matter and senses; it is restricted and blind to see beyond it.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Bashing something you know nothing about, paarsurrey?
       
       If it were not for science, you wouldn't be able to spread Islamic propaganda.

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          angel115707posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          if it weren't for the Word ( Jesus Christ, or the spoken/ written word) nothing could exist, not even your faith..in science........it cannot exist without words, as Jesus said, sense he is the word, he is the beginning and the end, whether you like it or not....haha so you worship him even if you do not want to...oh BTW Einstein was a believer in God....lmao!

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             Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Einstein did believe in God but he also believed in science. The two need not be mutually exclusive.
             
             The Old testament was around for quite a long time before Jesus was even born. People existed in all sorts of places before the Old Testament and the New combined reached their part of the world. The people of  Ireland, for example, had an existence before St. Patrick took the Christian religion to them. They didn't just materialize when Patrick arrived. Actually he was a slave among the pagans of Ireland for years, escaped back to England and then journeyed to Ireland as a missionary to convert the heathen. The Book of Kells is predominantly Christian but look closely and you can see paganism in the design. It still remains a beautiful work of art. Many illuminated manuscripts from Ireland are that and more.
             
             I don't hear a bell ringing so I take it angel that you haven't got your wings yet.

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                Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Actually - Einstein was pretty adamant that he did not believe in  personal god. But - being a prominent Jew, when pushed, would grudgingly agree to Spinoza's god.
                
                Which LOL - even I could agree to. Absolutely no interaction with our world and makes no difference if it exists or not? Sure - why not?

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                   earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Sort of the god you're having when you don't need a god. mmmm

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                      Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      just Einstein saying well I don't know everything and my folks believed in a god so there could be a god.

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                         Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         And sure it is difficult to believe in the Christian God when you have never seen a bible or heard a Christian preacher preach.

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    Stuart Barnesposted 14 years ago

    The whole point of science is finding truths beyond a doubt.  We do this by using the scientific method and testing.
    Religion can not be proved by any system in the Universe because the Creator is outside the system.  To talk about proving God shows a misunderstanding about how the scientific method is applied.
    My fear is that we will go back to a time where science was not relied on.  It was called the Dark Ages and it was miserable.
    To say that a person can't be a believer and a scientist is ridiculous.  The problem is, small minded people don't understand that religions are dynamic whether we believe that or not.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friends
       
       But science has its limitations; beyond them , it is blind and it has to be.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Aww - And you thief Usmanali have no limits? LOLOLOLOLOL
          
          See - lying and stealing is not helping. LOLOL
          
          Allah will punish you I am certain.

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             Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             No, he will be rewarded with virgins for lying to an infidel.

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                Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah but what do these virgins look like? Maybe there is a VERY good reason they are virgins. Could be more a punishment than a reward Beelzedad.

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                   Audreveaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   There's a Billy Connolly skit where he says something like,'why would you want a bunch of virgins? Give me the same number in harlots and then it's a reward'.
                   
                   (no offence to anyone's beliefs - I just thought it was funny).

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                      Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Sounds good to me! I love a woman with experience! Not sure about women as opposed to one woman willing and able and who likes me but I would be willing to give it a go.

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          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Then, stop using everything science has given you. Cave dwelling for you should be a no brainer.

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             Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Maybe Beelzedad you should get him to join the Taliban. They don't like music except holy music their leaders approve of and they don't like television at all...And they DO live in caves. Give him a toy gun first though so he doesn't hurt anyone not even himself.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    But science has its limitations; beyond them , it is blind and it has to be.

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       pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ironically you are using miracles of science in day to day life..something which our ancestors would have called miracles..for e.g. you are discussing with people sitting in usa , australia and many other places and ur message is getting conveyed in few seconds..imagine what would world be without science..i dont think even religion would have existed without it..bcoz foundation of both is questioning brain..

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    Rishy Richposted 14 years ago

    Paar, its funny that u say Skepticism is Blind Faith, when Islam promotes Blind Faith & orders its followers to have Blind Faith in Allah & Quran! Do u knw wat r the 5 Pillars of Islam??
    
    Let me tell u:
    
    5 Pillars of Islam according to Quran are:
    
    1. IMAN (BLIND FAITH)
    2. SALAT (DAILY PRAYER)
    3. ZAKAT (ALMS GIVING)
    4. HAJJ (PILGRIMAGE)&
    5. SAWM (FASTING)
    
    ACCORDING TO THESE PILLARS, IF U DONT POSSESS BLIND FAITH IN ISLAM THEN U R NOT A TRUE MUSLIM
    
    NOW WHO IS HAVING BLIND FAITH, EH?

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend Rishy Rich
       
       I think you have got the wrong information; there is nothing blind in Islam/Quran/Muhammad; everything with reason and without doubt:
       
       [12:105] And thou dost not ask of them any reward for it. On the contrary, it is but a source of honour for all mankind. [12:106] And how many a Sign is there in the heavens and the earth, which they pass by, turning away from it.
       [12:107] And most of them believe not in Allah without also attributing partners to Him.
       [12:108] Do they, then, feel secure from the coming on them of an overwhelming punishment from Allah or the sudden coming of the Hour upon them while they are unaware?
       [12:109] Say, ‘This is my way: I call unto Allah on sure knowledge, I and those who follow me. And Holy is Allah; and I am not of those who associate gods with God.’
       [12:110] And We sent not before thee as Messengers any but men, whom We inspired, from among the people of the towns. Have they not then travelled in the earth and seen what was the end of those before them? And surely, the abode of the Hereafter is better for those who fear God. Will you not then understand?
       
       http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=104
       
       Please read verse [12:109] above, with the context, and correct your undestanding.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Time to see the aims of the "peaceful" religion.
    
    “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth”
    
    --Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
    
    Your religion encourages this sort of crap from your leaders. Everyone else's beliefs are wrong, because your hate-filled tome says so?
    
    What a joke!

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       Quran/Islam/Muhammad win the hearts by reasonable and ratiional arguments and peaceful means; don't need any territory.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    dfagerposted 14 years ago

    Faith has to be subjective and meaningful to the believer apart from authority of mankind and mankinds doctrines.  If it is not, then the followers become slaves.  Faith is a relationship.
    
    Science is great for material things, but not so good for the concept of "being" human.  What is it to be human?  Is there a scientific model?  If there is, then what's to stop mankind from slaughtering those who don't live up to the model like Nazi Germany.  Not that genocide is extinct today, it's alive and well in areas of Africa.

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       The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       So what if Science doesn't tell you what it means to be human?  It doesn't tell you to commit genocide, either.  Religion certainly has the power to drive people to genocide, even if it could "tell us what it means to be human," (whatever that actually means) we'd still be better off without.

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       Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       dfager, the Nazis were not without religion. In fact it was based on all sorts of bits and pieces from Nordic mythology to Christianity to interpretations of Runic symbols. Part of it was the belief in the superiority of the Germanic people. Wanting to feel superior is oh so human and wanting a religion or religious concepts that make you feel oh so superior is also human. Science was used to exterminate innocent Jews and Gypsies but without that feeling of superiority the death camps would never have come to pass.

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    He said; "Is than your final answer"
    I said, " Yes it is"!
    He said  "Lock your answer in please".
      I did !
    
    Science is mankinds  way of explaining how God did it!
    
       
    
       If Religion disagrees...   Shame ....Shame ...  Shame

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       Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Faith in God exists
       God is real!
          Science has proven how God did it.
       People who are loving  "religion" needs to come home to the father.   
       
          Religion is the wagon that carries the faith to the people.
       
          Having faith in religion is not the objective, Jesus had in mind when he died on the Cross.

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    dfagerposted 14 years ago

    Both science and religion can justify genocide and history shows it has.  Religion is not the reason Jesus died on the cross. Nor did He die so someone can tell us what truth is.

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       The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       A popular myth among the sort of people who like to pretend equating everything to everything else is enlightenment.
       
       The fact of the matter, though, is that the Bible, or the Koran if that's what you prefer, frequently exhort believers to violence and that Darwin never suggested anything along the lines of eugenics.
       
       Something a lot of people don't realize regarding the theory of evolution:  Long before Darwin people already knew you could change a species around through selective breeding.  Darwin's big revelation wasn't that we could control the process of evolution, it was that the process happens when we're not controlling it.
       
       All of this would seem to border on a no true Scottsman fallacy.  I'm saying Nazis had the science wrong, religious people say they had the religion wrong... except that science deals in reality and religion deals in fantasy.  No matter how twisted or dangerous your fantasies about the divine are, they can't be any more wrong than anyone else's, it's just one person's imaginings against another's.  When someone says nature demands we kill off the "inferior" members of our race they are making a claim about the real, physical world, and they are objectively incorrect.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       Word of Revelation does not allow genocide of a people; and science should also not.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          it doesnot matter what it allows or doesnot allow..who follows what it allows anyways?..if u look at history many lives have been lost , many civilizations have been shattered in name of religion ...religion has used science (weapons) to gain power...religion is indebted to science , the one it criticizes most but what ever religion we see today has been backed by weapons in ancient history...all said and written is different and what actually is done in action is different...
          
          dont know how can any human being killed fellow human being in name of whatever god and expect that he/she would be rewarded for that...

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    dfagerposted 14 years ago

    What I'm saying is that it's a sorry lot we humans can be.  I don't find anything wrong with seeking enlightenment, it's better than the alternative unenlightenment.
    
    Maybe I differ in the sense that in my imagination I can see myself as a murderer or a criminal if my circumstances became desperate or if my environment, teachings and contacts were the same as a criminal.  I can sense that in myself and I don't like it.  I wish I could rid myself of in all eternity.

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       The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well the thing of it is there is no eternally ridding yourself of human weakness to be had.  It's always going to be there, and singing songs and talking about how a beard in the sky will protect you from your weaknesses won't change that. 
       
       All it can accomplish is to lull you into a false sense of security, make you think "God's on my side, I've become good," make you drop your guard against an aspect of your nature which is still just as real as if you'd never entertained the notion of religion.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I believe you do not need to get rid of it at all dfager, you just need to accept your dark side, learn even more about the axe murderer with, see it as an aspect of self. You will be able to keep and even enhance your empathy and generosity of soul and be at peace.
       
       Every human is the same, we are all potential "criminals" The people who recognise this are the only ones who are really unable to do deliberate wrong, or judge those who do wrong too harshly.
       
       They have a 24/7 sentry in their mind that they can trust to engage them and bring real consciousness to the current situation regardless of feelings that rise and fall with belief systems.

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       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Regardless of how you see yourself in your imagination, wearing the devils horns if you please, it's all about taking action or not.
       
       Your god would see you murder for your beliefs and that is far worse than anything you can imagine for yourself.
       
       
       
       So, you don't want to be human?

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Ah yes back to god. which god?
    
    
    
    

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    

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       Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Earnest, I don't want to be difficult but I don't like the ones with chocolate frosting. Can God bring cinnamon ones instead? And it would be nice if they were fresh and with coffee too.  Well I'll settle for those pineapple ones. They're okay.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          ...ask and you will receive!

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             Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Good! I want a donut, a cinnamon one, RIGHT now. I'll even meet God half way and make the coffee.

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                earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Sorry buddy, he's a no show again!

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                   Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Gee...Well next time he has a night off then...

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    God takes on many forms.
    
    

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       Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Spell God backwards and what have you got? DOG!

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    Naturalreflectionposted 14 years ago

    As far as the witchcraft thing goes, you can't judge the religious teachings of Jesus for a misinterpretation that people had about a verse in the bible a thousand or so years later. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" or whatever the verse, is obviously a fault of translation, and is not at all within the scope of christian teachings, but people used it as an excuse to further their ignorant ideas that witches really existed.
    Also, to examine the Bible under the scrutiny of scientific thought is a misguided effort. You can't set it to the standards of evidence today because it was written when there is no way they could have known the standards. It wasn't written to uphold as scientific proof of anything, it was written to show the teachings of what they thought god was through stories that may or may not have been completely true. This also means that you can't take things literally in the bible, because that is also misguided. With so many different people writing it, and over whatever time period, there is no possible way that every detail would not contradict something else written.
    I do believe that the initial efforts of Christianity were in good intention, but that doesn't mean they are right. It is more than likely that no one on the subject of god has ever been or will ever be right. It is something that can not be searched through scientific inquiry, or through books written thousands of years ago. Even if a god were to reveal himself, we would still argue over who's god he is, what his intentions are, and how to live our lives to worship him.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend Naturalreflection
       
       Science is a tool made by human beings only for the things testable in a lab-which are physical; and the results they compare with the laws already existing in nature in the physical realm as set by the Creator- God Allah YHWH. The Ethical, Moral and Spiritual realms don't fall in the realm of Science, so they have naturally to be blind.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    SpanStarposted 14 years ago

    Personally in my lifetime I have seen time and time again where science had to correct itself.  At one point it thinks it's right only to find out it's not so if one is will to put there trust in process such as this then be my guest.
    
    One other point I'd like to make, I read where people are looking for proof of God all the time-Why?  I'm certainly aware that having having that proof it will change very few human's attitudes.  Just remember Jesus' own disciplies didn't believe in him as the son of God until he came back and give them the holy spirit.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend SpanStar
       
       Jesus' disciple as per Bible did not believe in Jesus afterwards; they deserted him once for all; to promote a person to a mythical level is not believing in him. Jesus was not a god; so if they believed in him as god; that tantamount not believing him altogether.
       
       As per Quran;yes, the disciples never deserted Jesus, they stood with him. History narrates they migrated with him to India, and buried there. I have a friend who says that Matthew is buried in Peshawar. Well it is a research item for the Christians; if they go to Jesus' burial place in Srinagar, Kashmir, India; in their extra time they may make a research on it.
       
       Thomas is buried in Kerala , India
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You put your trust in science every day. If you didn't, you probably wouldn't be here today. Science is self-correcting, that is the beauty of it. Everything you have today is a direct result of science.
       
       
       
       There are many gods attributed to existence. Your god is just another god in the long line of gods. Yes, we need some proof.
       
       
       
       That is the idea.

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