A few of us poets and creative writers have come up with the idea of creating our own website specifically for all forms of creative writing. The catalyst for this is HubPages decision to create niche websites for various subjects. However they have stated that poetry and creative writing will not be one of the priorities or at least in the first 15 new niche sites created.
I know a number of our group have already begun to remove their creative works and place them on their own websites and elsewhere, but this could be one alternative and there is strength in numbers. Marissa Wright has kindly offered to set up such a site for us and host it for free, however we would need a few willing people to manage the site.
This post is calling for expressions of interest from other poets and creative writers to join this proposed collective. One suggestion for a name is "The Creative Exiles." Who wants to be a part of this?
Sure I have oodles of poems I wouldn't mind putting there! I had most here at one time but it will be different at a place where poetry is wanted and appreciated! So yes! Definitely interested! It might even inspire some new stuff!
I am with you on this, Jodah, and offer my help. This is a great idea, I am all for it. It was very sad for me to take down all my short stories and poems. I can publish them on our own site - right now they are lingering on another site waiting for something better.
With you as our founder and manager, we can make this happen. And with Marisa's kind offer we really should go for it.
After you get a good list of names going, I think it might be a good idea to open a private group on Facebook for the initial members, then make it an invitation only group for newer members. This would prevent just anyone with no experience at all from signing up. Writing for the internet takes a lot of knowledge on quality content and rules. What are your thoughts on this?
That is worth some thought, no one wants someone like trouble being a part of it, but I would have no ideas except to have rules that mean being tossed out if they are broken, It would be nice to not have people like you all know what I mean that just cannot stand any happiness on this earth! lol Maybe we have to get to heaven before we get that though, you think? lol
The facebook thing though, great idea and we can talk and meet up for whatever!
Thank you Phyllis. Yes, a Facebook group "The Creative Exiles" (invitation only) could be established first to gather participants and discuss ideas. Then progress to a website. I am not very good with the technical side of running a website such as enabling advertising/Adsense etc so we could generate some income, but someone else may be. It is one of the things we need to discuss. Knowing creative writers, that won't be the main priority.
Am I up for editing and maybe even help with training for "writing for the internet", Jodah? I am most willing to help manage. I can also write.
PS: Well, with the core group that I think will sign up already know how to write for the internet. Yes, that is true.
I'd be very interested, but I don't have the time to commit to help managing the site at present - maybe further down the line? Have been looking for somewhere for my creative writing, this sounds a great idea
Thanks for putting your hand up Anne, good to have you in the group.
Ann if you wish to join you are welcome to apply. However at the moment we only have a Facebook group where we are planning the new site. Do you have a Facebook profile? The selection team also needs to be able to see samples of your poetry or fiction writing if you have a link.
Jodah (Audrey, Marissa, Phyllis Doyle)
I love everything about this, including the name, The Creative Exiles. I too have looked at Poetry sites before, but they were stiff and formulaic and there seemed to be little if any of the community that we have here. They also lacked the capacity, most of them, for the inclusion of art and photographs, etc., which I think add so much to our written work. Personally, I don't care of I make any money, although I realize some people do because they already make some. I would like to be included and move my poetry (occasional story).
Here is the question though...what about quality non-fiction, which so far no one has mentioned. Half to two thirds of my work is essays, historical essays and film - educational - sociological - political - family history - sculpture and painting and music essays. Would those be considered part of Creative Writing or would any "non-fiction work be excluded?
I am not trying to pick a fight or squabble. Any new endeavor has the right to establish its own parameters and limit its content. But I would need to know how those parameters would impact me and my work. At any rate I will PM Phyllis Doyle for inclusion in the FB Creative Exiles. Some of my questions may be answered there. Thank you all for your foresight, imagination, and enthusiasm. Theresa / phdast7
Hi Theresa. We are not advocating that those who want to join The Creative Exiles take all their hubs down from HP. The group is for creative fiction and poetry writers to have a place where they feel free to write all the fiction and poetry they like and to know it is appreciated.
My suggestion is to leave your HP account and hubs as is, continue on with your good writing here and go to TCE when you feel like writing poetry or a short story. I am not changing anything on my HP account - just will not have any poetry or fiction here.
For now, The Creative Exiles group is in its infancy and it will take time to build up to the point where we are comfortable creating the web site. You will be welcome to join us.
I will be leaving most of my hubs here and probably still write any non fiction, informational content here. I will just do most of my poetry and creative writing on the new site. HubPsges may see a new lease of life in the future. Time will tell.
That is good, Jodah. So many people here love your writing. And as you say, "HubPages may see a new lease of life in the future. Time will tell." Plus, if we keep our account here we won't miss out on all the big $ we earn. LOL
Another thing is, by staying here we keep that possibility of outside exposure to publishers and others who just might "find us".
Theresa , Your amazing work is so educational as to make it a necessary for Hub Pages , Only you can know if that's a good pay off for you personally . I am un-publishing my hubs for lack of traffic , personally for me , I miss the old days of HP , that's all.! Once there was a vibrant little community , now I wonder why I bother putting out my creative side for a score in the forties , and a few loyal friends . Just me I guess , but the majority of YOUR work should be elevated to a new "Must Read "- genre in HP , if they really care about top quality writing . I think for creative writing , I may just save mine for possible future self publishing or some such thing , Instead of wasting my time publishing on HP. See you and your amazing poetry there . ...............;-}
Thank you kindly, Ed. You are such an enthusiastic encourager. I have been so busy for over a year that I have hardly visited HP at all. But for my soul's sake I have got to turn that around, I need to write more and I need to read more.
And you are probably right, poems and stories can be moved and educational, historical, and political stuff can stay where it is with HP. They really are such divergent categories anyway. Getting excited. Theresa
Looks like you have much support for your grand idea! I will be cheering you on and am excited to see all this unfold. God bless
Thank you very much for the well wishes Faith. It was just an idea that seems to have taken off running. I won't be deserting HubPages though.
Looks like you have a lot of awesome help in this wonderful endeavor here! I do know of many special friends and poets/writers who, sadly, are no longer on HubPages. I miss them terribly. One special poet is doing quite well in publishing books of not only poetry but novels. I think she writes her poertry on All Poetry now. She is now an agent too! Then there are many friends who are still here but have their own sites on Weebly, I believe, where they can freely write to their heart's content and then do have a link on their sites to HubPages to bring more traffic which seems to be successful.
Surprisingly, the poetry I have written here has done quite well with views into the thousands, some almost 5,000. I think that is due to the fact that I write my poetry in non-fiction of my true life experiences and trials and tribulations or that of my family member's trials, which I believe so many relate to and desire to read. I have particpated in two creative writing challenges which were quite enjoyable and my submissions were well-received quite to my delight. I don't write for money.
So many here have such great suggestions, especially the ones about no scores! I don't think there should be any censorship of free ideas or sharing of one's beliefs as that takes away from the freeing aspect of writing from one's heart and creative minds.
I look forward to seeing this all unfold before our eyes!
Thank you for your support Faith. It has been sad to see so many poets and creative writers become disillusioned here in recent years and depart for greener pastures. I am interested to know who the special poet is who is now a published author and agent and now write's on All Poetry (I am a member there also). You are write poetry that is written from personal experience is popular. People need to be able to relate in some way. I agree I don't feel expression of one's beliefs or spirituality should be excluded.
I am with you on this Jodah, If HP wants to dismiss Creative Writing/Poetry Why continue to write Creatively. We can leave the cookbooks to those who want to feed the body. And we can write to feed the mind and soul.
I am with you on this.
Thank you Shyron, for getting on board. As I say, I am not deserting Hub Pages and time will tell how their new direction pans out.
Love the idea and am interested in writing for the site. I gave up on writing poetry here years ago, but poetry is still the thing I love to write. I have poems elsewhere and once in awhile I write some, though I've become preoccupied with writing things that make money. However, I love the idea of being able to put my poetry on a site full of creative writers.
Thanks for your interest Nate. Do you have a link where your poetry can be viewed? We have set up a Facebook group called "the Creative Exiles" to discuss and plan the new website. The selection committee have to approve new members based on a perusal of their HP and Facebook profiles and to assess their creative writing and poetry.
You can count me in Jodah. I have plenty of fiction stories sitting in files on my computer waiting for a home.
Then, there are my poetry hubs. Do you think it would be best to move them?
Yay, colorfulone! Awesome! I am so excited about this.
I missed fiction stories; yes I have those too!
Good for you Colorfulone. All poetry and fiction, as well as how to write those will be most welcome.
Abhimanyu, if you are interested in joining you are worthy and welcome.
Abhimanyu, I can add you to the group if you are on Facebook. I need your Facebook name so I can send you an invitation.
I have sent you a message on fb check your fb account
I cannot find a message from you. Can you send another pm to my Phyllis Doyle Burns page, please? I checked all three of my FB pages and there is no message. Thank you so much.
Great idea, Jodah.
I don't know if I would ever pull my finger out, as I have to admit that, as Marlene Dietrich, sings in ‘Die fesche Lola’,
"It's not 'cause I shouldn't
It's not 'cause I wouldn't
And you know that it's not 'cause I couldn't
It's simply because I'm the Laziest Gal In Town,
Thank you Twilight Lawns. Love the quote from Marlene's song. I'm sure you aren't that lazy.
Groucho Marx: "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member".
That's a joke. To bring a little bit of levity, I so think this is a good idea. It is unfortunate that Hubpages doesn't appreciate its creative writing community. Who knows whether they can be convinced (doubtful). The community here is the reason most of us stay, wouldn't you say? A mass exodus might make the stream of new work stronger, but it could break up the community's cohesion.
If you build it, I (they) will come, Jodah/Marissa.
I can imagine an island where laziness is a prime virtue, Twilight Lawns.
Eldon, most highly respected writer. If that were the case, I would be highly regarded.
Thanks Eldon, I am not looking for a mass exodus. That would be too hard to control. Maybe just a steady stream of creative writers as they decide they may like to try an alternative. It would have to be on an approval and invite basis.
ha ha on that !
Get some web masters and go for it!!!
Jodah, I think that if you could persuade him to join you in your venture, Eldon Arsenaux would be the cherry on the top, the feather in the cap, of all you bring together.
This guy is probably one of the most gifted and talented writer that I have read for a very long time.
I agree with that Twilight Lawns. His fiction is amazing.
We need to have Eldon friend either you or I on FB, Jodah, so we can add him to the group. I am finding out that the trouble I have been having in finding FB profiles is because some are not already friends and hard to find. Maybe I should send Eldon a pm on his HP fan page ... yes, ok.
I would participate. This sounds like a good idea. I still have work that I have not published on hubpages just in case I build my own website one day.
What is happening on google + should be noted. There, we have the ability to share beautiful photos and art. To be able to easily "illustrate" our creative literary works by way of picture sharing would be incredible! Therefore, creative and talented photographers and artists should be encouraged to join as well!!!
With Jodah's approval I created a Facebook private group for 'The Creative Exiles'. If you do not have a Facebook account, please consider creating one if you are interested in joining us. I do have Jackie Lynnley and colorfulone (Susie Lehto) FB info and sent invitations.
For those who are interested in joining the fiction and poetry group, 'The Creative Exiles', please send me a private email through my profile page to let me know your Facebook name so I can send you an invitation. I need Facebook account names for:
RJ (Ralph) Schwartz
Thank you all very much.
The group on Facebook was set up for us to have important discussions and decision-making votes for our new web site. We are in the infant stage of creating our own web site and your voice/opinions in going forward are important, so please join us in 'The Creative Exiles' Facebook group. Thanks again.
Phyllis, If you are in pursuit of Twilight Lawns as a FaceBook account "person", I think I can direct you to the Matronof Twilight Lawns, Retirement Home for the Elderly (so long as those persons are of Breeding, Old Money and Upper Class to the Extreme.
Matron's name is Mrs Hilda Plantagenet-Featheringstonehaugh
"I would have no ideas
to have rules that mean
being tossed out if they are broken
it would be nice
to not have people
(like, you all know what I mean ...)
that just cannot stand
on this earth!
Maybe we have to
get to heaven
before we get that, though ...
Good poetry, Jackie Lynnley!
Thanks Kathryn, my fb page is Shyron E. Shenko
Hi Sharon! Please feel free to contribute here (link) until my volunteer Web administrators and interns are on board.
PS WTTA, (the actual site,) will always be absolutely free.
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Kathryn - could you be so kind as to start your own thread with your own site? Jodah and several of us are working hard to set up our new site and your posts and link could cause distractions and confusion. If you are serious about your own site, you may gather more interest with your own forum thread.
Happy to be part of it:)
A nice bouquet from me for all the aspiring writers here:)...B
Great, Beata. Please send me an email through my profile page so I can send you an invitation to the group on Facebook. I need your FB name to od this. Thanks.
Oh! Never mind - I got it and sent your invitation. Thanks for coming on board.
Hi, Phyllis. Sent you a PM on Facebook earlier re The Creative Exiles.
I would be interested in this new sight , count me in !, Creative Writing at Hub Pages has reached an end . The diluting of the original sight by mass growth isn't always a good thing as proved out over and over again by other sights.
That's great Ed. Phyllis has started a Facebook page initially to discuss ideas for the new site. If you have a Facebook account can you email the url or name to Phyllis or myself so we can add you.
Hi Ed. Do you have a Facebook account? If so, you can 'request friend' to me (Phyllis Doyle Burns) and that will allow me to find your profile on FB and add you to the group. Let me know. Thanks.
I've been posting poems, some mine, some other works on Twitter using this hash tag
Long live WTTA! I have two webmasters and we're going to have easy video and audio sharing as well. Money will be rolling in for all.
World Transformation Through Art website. WTTA for short. I also need people willing to form a volunteer Web administration team. Taking applications. Just send them in via snail mail. Interns of all ages welcome, as well!
I am writing fiction too!
Phyllis, I just friended you on FB and left you a PM. I don't see the invite you sent for the group. No hurry!
If you tell me what this means I will take my (free) site(s), World Transformation Through Art, WTTA, (this is the start up site:)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities … 4055241879
I think a website should not be moderated to the point of frustrating its users. Anyway, here's a good thing I think perfectly suits this mood of revolution around here.
I suggest the name InstaVerse. Sounds cool to me. Grab it before someone else resisters it for themselves! Joking apart, I really commend Jodah for this bold and brave move. I write poetry and I think he remembers the only poem that I had shared here on HubPages, before my account got banned. Anyway, I'm developing my own business ideas these days.
I have 2 points in my mind regarding your plan: First, Facebook is off to launch their own online article portal for everyone. It would be very similar to HubPages, and more colorful. I think it's set to take off in March this year.
Secondly, I think you must think carefully how you're going to fund your website, who's really going to read it, and why; and what type of advertisements would you like to place on a website that is dedicated to poetry, arts, and spirituality? Ex HubPages staff, Simone Collins (Simone H Smith she was before her marriage). She and her husband had launched a website where anyone could hire artists to draw pictures of pets and etc. My point is that she launched that website after she had left HubPages and built her own site on WordPress commercial version platform. The website is still up and running. But I think the project has been, overall, a 'failure'. So now you have some food for thought.
You must also take note of the fact that there might be people who might get upset once all you guys just pack your bags, and leave. You must be aware of the fact that there are countries who didn't sign up for the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works (1886) treaty. So your work is always under constant threat to be copied and republished commercial in one fashion or another in countries like Bangladesh, Nepal, Tahiti and etc. But I guess it won't be a bigger deal because you're already getting no more of protection here. So, good luck from an angel!
Summary of the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works (1886)
Thank you Rodeon (what name did you use on your previous account?) it was just an idea, but it seems to have caught on You mention that Facebook is going to launch its own online article portal. Well Twitter has one in "Medium" that has been around since 2012 so I guess it is time Facebook did as well. It will probably hard to compete with those though I don't think the primary purpose of a site for creative writers is to make money. Just to have a place to share their writing, be appreciated and have an active supportive community.
I offer my writing services on fiverr where I made more in the last week than I have on HubPages in two years, so money isn't my focus, but others may have different ideas. I am sure we can monetize it with appropriate ads.
As for who is going to read it?...poetry and fiction lovers. People keep saying that anyone who wants to read poetry on the Internet goes to dedicated poetry sites. Well, I don't..I go to HubPages, because I know most of the best poets are here. They are some of the ones I want to encourage to join the new site.
I don't recall anyone mentioning it would include focus on the arts (other than poetry and fiction) or spirituality. I want it to be more of a niche creative writing site, than anything else.
I also don't envisage a mass exodus from Hubpages. I for one am keeping my account and hubs here and writing new ones from time to time, as I don't expect all my followers to join the new site. I now most of the others who have expressed interest are doing the same.
Some work will always be copied and stolen. That is just a part of writing on the Internet, like it or not.
Thanks for the suggestion of "InstaVerse" (I get the Instagram angle) but I think we have decided on "The Creative Exiles". I read Mozilla's manifesto too. Interesting read.
Das Engle, God Shet, Vanders. So, I'm clairvoyant.
Ah, the fine fiction writer Mr Godwin. I think he is well
Well, what I originally had in mind was that you need to keep the site up and running, at least for two or more years. And you need enough money to fund some basic requirements: like buying the domain-name ("The Creative Exiles") and paying the yearly rents to websites (companies) like GoDaddy.com for server-services that would put the website online.
If Marisha or anyone else is willing to fund the website as a charity or something, then that's an entirely a different matter. Otherwise, you guys need to think of a practical solution to keep the project up and running.
I think it would be worth considering if you are willing to launch a forum feature (like this one) in The Creative Exiles website. One reason that poetry and poets look and feel 'entertaining' on hubpages might be the fact that this website is not an enclosure and poets interact on this site as individuals who happen to write poetry. They aren't labeled as poets as such. And though a very subtle element, it makes a lot more difference. I had joined poetry websites in the past, and had left them almost immediately because they felt terribly lonely and boring place. You need to have movements going on in your site to make it engaging.
I don't want to discourage you, but I'm just trying to anticipate the issues that you might face after you set it all up. I used to have a profile on hubpages called DasEngel. I wanted the name Engel, but someone had already grabbed it.
Rodeon, you bring up some very valid points and we will be discussing those matters in the coming weeks. To apply to join first you have to send a friend request to either myself or Phyllis Doyle on Facebook where we have already set up "The Creative Exiles" group. Then the selection committee will review your application. A link to my Facebook page is on my profile.
I think Phyllis Doyle is not very happy seeing me around here. Just read her comments about me on Mr Godwin's latest hub. Well, we do have a bit history! If she happens to be the chief moderator of "The Creative Exiles", only God help me enter there!
Anyway, I might give it a shot. Thank you for the frank invitation, Jodah.
I've plans to publish my poetry collection somewhere in the future years. Meanwhile, I'm interested in the project mostly because I write poetry only when people are reading them. Otherwise I seldom write them. So my main interest is in the impetus factor. Sometimes original poetry accidentally springs up in this process, and they're valuable.
You are welcome Rodeon. I have to mention though that part of the selection process involves checking your profile and existing hubs to determine your credentials as a poet, fiction writer etc. At the moment your profile is rather light on with only one hub. You may have to publish a few more in the genres I mention to enable the selection committee to make an informed decision.
I understand that. I'll be publishing my poetry here on hubpages. I think in a week or two (that is, if I don't get banned), you'll have a range of them available.
I was also thinking about an additional idea to monetize the site. You know there are many people who are actually interested in poetry, and want to read fresh and original article type writings online which interpret already established poems. For example, I always wanted to read someone decode every chapter of TS Eliot's poem The Wasteland. Never found one. Those that were available, we not upto a standard taste.
These type of articles might attract outsiders around the internet to your website. I think I'll write a few of them myself under this account, Rodeon, to further clarify what I exactly have in mind.
If that is the type of article you like, check out Maya Shed Temple on HP. Most of her hubs analyse existing famous poetry.
Rodeon, I am neither unhappy or happy about you being here. I have no emotional qualms about it. What your reason is for being here is my concern. My comments on his hub was to let him know you are back - for what? the third or fourth time, being banned at least three times? You were very rude and critical of him and quite unfair. He has a right to know you are back because of your prior public opinion and sarcastic opinions / accusations of him.
There were times, a few, when you were quite polite and calm, even enjoyable. If you could be like that all the time it would be very nice.
As Jodah said, you do bring up some good points about our new site which we will be working hard on to discuss important matters and put in place. I truly admire Jodah for taking on this task. We have a lot of work to do and Jodah is a good leader.
Past is better if we let it be where it belongs. Time has passed and hubpages has changed as well. We are basically strangers, and the pivot that has brought us all together is hubpages. It has really changed and I think it has been so to our benefit. Our relation in the past can not be properly evaluated in the current context. It's almost a new site. Not in the physical sense or appearance, but in terms of the general (spiritual) environment. Now this place is controlled by . . . I think I better not name them.
It might have been something really serious had I been convicted three times in a serious crime in the physical world. Everything online is relative. I never used any type of abusive language, never called anyone using e f g etc words. So why do I care?
I would like to join the proposed website because it would be an impetus for me to write more poetry. I can not write unless I have an audience. This is my main interest.
It's not that I can not set up a website on my own. I think it costs about hundred and fifty dollars or so, to launch a personal (poetry) website, if you're using WordPress as your platform. I would also have all the advertisements and etc.
But without a community of people, it gets to be a pretty lonely endeavor.
You can set up a site on Weebly for free. It is a good way to start a site. I think there is the option to pay a monthly fee for a more in depth site (to open to public for comments or guest writers, etc.), I am not familiar with that option. It is worth a try to get your poetry out to the public view. Another site is Wizzley, but I am not familiar with them, I just know some ex-hubbers who have gone there.
PS: Rodeon, Weebly also allows one to set up their Google AdSense and Amazon affiliate.
Well, the online advertisement industry is a pretty broad one. The internet is now the big thing for advertisers. They're done with television and newspapers, and no advertiser can now ignore the power of the internet and the potential it has to inform and bring in customers.
Now, Google obviously has a sort of monopoly in this internet advertising thing. But there are many other channels and agencies who would provide you similar services, and provide you relevant advertisements for your website and its content. Take a look at any ad you see on Facebook, it's quite radically different from any ad we see on Google.
On Weebly, you have to narrow down your scope and rely on Google or Amazon. On a personal website, you may get any type of advertisement you want. From ketchups to kitchen chimneys, or t-shirts with TS Eliot's face on them. Anything!
Plus, anything you earn by displaying an advertisement, or by making people aware about a product - will be 100% yours. You do not need to split your earnings with anyone, if the website is yours, and if it's you who's writing its content. And it really creates an environment of transparency and encouragement, and thereby, of creativity.
The only people who might cheat you and steal from the advertisement earnings, would be GoDaddy.com (the company that is hosting your website and providing you the server-services).
But I think that's pretty unlikely to happen. And you're always free to check the data directly from the advertiser.
Wizzley is not a standard site. And it's one of the last places that I'd advise anyone to go to publish poetry.
Weebly is really good. But perhaps the free version does not allow advertisements, and as I heard recently, do not get indexed by search-engines as the administrators of Weebly have decided to make users focus on their paid features. Now they want you to buy their product.
It's always better to spend a relatively small amount of money and buy your own domain and rent your own server-service. You will have all the website and you can make it anything you want.
The free Weebly site does not appear in Google search results. You have to sign up and pay for at least their basic package package. Weebly also have a package which allows you to have a secure sign-in area for members. These latter plans do allow ads and attract Google search results.
That may be the way to go?
I agree, leave the past in the past and go forward.
It is not up to me who becomes a new member. I only send the name and HP profile link to the Selection Committee. They decide on new applicants based on the criteria they set up. Good luck to you. Follow Jodah's advice and get some good poetry up on HP.
Facebook has already updated their Notes feature, and now Fb notes look stunningly close to hubs. Check out this Facebook note that one of my friends' friend has shared publicly on Facebook.
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By the way, Jodah, what is the procedure to apply to your website as a poet?
This group is starting to sound awesome - I'll put up some start up funding if necessary to get it online
Are we going to have a criteria for membership? Some form of vetting perhaps?
Some things for discussion
One of the biggest issues I have with HP is when they unfeature my poems due to traffic - it's like a creative buzzkill - hopefully we don't follow that route
Has anyone thought about site design? Will it be by topic, writer,etc.
Great questions, RJ. Yes, we will have a criteria - members who are very good fiction writers and /or poets. Right now we are in an infant stage and need to start discussions. We do have a Selection Committee that reviews and votes on applications of interested hubbers (which is their name and profile link). You are already in the group. Please go to The Creative Exiles group on Facebook and post this message you wrote, so we can all join in on your discussion (our first one!).
Site design will come along as we discuss this in the group. I suggest you open your discussion in the group as soon as possible so we can begin moving on these important points you bring up.
That is very kind of you to offer "some start up funding". At this time, Marissa Wright has offered to set up our site and host it for free - I do not know if there will be any expenses for us to think about, so we do need to bring that up. I think Jodah will be keeping in close touch with her.
We do need people experienced on site design and many other issues involved with a start up site.
PS edit: another important criteria is spelling and grammar, no profanity, and I am sure the group will discuss other subjects that will not be allowed (adult content, alcohol or drug related, etc.) We are going to have to set up an editors group, which I will be part of.
Thank you for the offer RJ, and I echo everything that Phyllis said.
Great idea! Count me in if short poetry forms like haiku and tanka qualify.
Thanks, Cat. I will send your name and profile link to our Selection Committee.
Thanks for your interest Cat. Yes all types of poetry are welcome. Though shorter ones like haiku may have to be grouped together as there may be a minimum post length. Still deciding on the requirements.
Would love to move my poetry and fiction to a site where it gets read. One suggestion: ditch hub scores, accolades, featured or not, and contests. Let's be grown ups, and let the readers decide what they read and what they pass.
I would encourage this community to ask questions, correct errors, suggest additions to each other's work. I don't need just to hear how much a reader loves my work. I need edits so my work improves.
Kathleen, your suggestions are exactly my vision for what the proposed site will be like. Certainly no unfeaturing of poems or strikes due to low traffic or quality. We have already appointed a group of editors who will proofread all items submitted before they are published. Once it passes them it stays unless the author wants to remove it. I can guarantee there will be no scoring system..all will be equal at "The Creative Exiles". We have started a Facebook group to gather members, discuss the proposed site, appoint roles etc. If you are interested in joining send a Facebook friend request to Phyllis Doyle or myself.
I for one can't wait to help as I can with this endeavor , Jodah , is our mentor , an even tempered , true artist who's going to lead us all there I believe . Welcome ALL creative writers !
I would love to contribute to this wonderful website, it will be a pleasure to read and write poetry/fiction.
An earlier post mentioned startup funds. As the site starts to sound more substantial, I agree some money will be necessary. You'll need to buy the domain name at least, but you may also need to buy software for more advanced features. How about requiring a $2 donation on joining the site?
Good idea, Marisa - something to think about.
This is off-subject a bit here, but can you recommend how to handle a hijacker of a thread?
That's simple, Phyllis. You do what I just did... report her.
Yes Marissa, we have discussed the initial members becoming a co-op and investing a small amount each towards setting up and acquiring domain name, special features etc.
JK! (just kidding) I am going anyway.
… but what do those letters stand for?
Yes! Definitely yes because unlike some people, I'm not musically or mathematically inclined but in creative writing im rather good.
Note to self: Do not try to bring comic relief to an already comical thread!
My friend recently joined hub pages and has been writing articles - Annabella Sames.
She told me of what you are doing and if you are interested on having me on board, I would be interested.
I have many words and poems not published on hubpages that could perhaps benefit your website.
Look forward to your reply,
I would love to have you on board. Google "Creative Exiles" or go to this link:http://creativeexiles.com/join-us/ and fill out the application form. Your application will then be considered by the selection committee, but that should just be a formality.
I visited your awesome site last night! I just love how it is presented and the flow of everything. Such a treat for the eye, and then for the great writing, of course.
I especially like that there is no scoring and that it is just understood that those there are great writers.
I'm amazed at how quickly everything is coming together. Great job everyone involved.
Thank you so much for that great feedback. I am so excited with the way it is all coming together so quickly. we have already assembled a small but talented group of writers and more are applying to join all the time.
Writers are loving that they are virtually unrestricted (except for a quality requirement) and I have only had good comments so far. We still have a lot to do, but we have some great features that should be added soon.
I know poetry and creative writing are not your main focus in writing but I know that you can do them well, especially short fiction. You are most welcome to apply to join anytime.
I know you are so excited, John. A new adventure such as this is something to get excited over for sure.
Oh, thank you. You are so kind. Well, at this time in my life I have a 10-hour workday week with that long commute into the city, so when I arrive home, and other more exciting things going on in life, that my time is consumed that I do well to even publish here on HubPages LOL.
When I do write poetry it is for the most part very dramatic and involves my real life experiences or something that has touched my life or my family's life, like my dad having PTSD and me as a child hearing him suffer with it in the middle of the night. That still haunts me to this day. Then when a family member had experienced verbal abuse for decades and now set herself free ...two poems came out of that, and about the homeless around the building in which I work in downtown area of the city. So, are the types of things I feel compelled to write poetry about for the most part, but I do have a few happier ones, like a limerick and others LOL.
You are so kind for the invite. I'm hoping to retire in about three years, so maybe after all of y'all become famous poets and writers, I can write more ... I do love to read as it actually helps me to relax after a long day, so I will enjoy reading the wonderful works of all the creative writers on your site.
Just bumping this thread to keep Hubbers aware of the existence of the new site, it's looking great.
I second what Marisa said. The new website is a great place to be involved with. If you haven't already..check it out!
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