Obamacare exchanges are collapsing everywhere, people are paying too much, now Hillary wants to expand the program to illegal aliens. How can anyone who wants to see America continue as a nation support the financial erosion we are seeing from the Democrats?
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Very intelligent thoughts, Grace. I am proud of you !!!
DITTO, well said!
If i had a nickle for every time I've seen this kind of rhetoric i'd be rich. You should run for office. The sky is always falling and your type is so mellow dramatic that you belong on a Broadway stage. This country is still standing. Walk outside.
Yeah, and when I woke up in NY at dawn and went outside I said LOOK what a beautiful morning, the day of 9/11/2001. Rupe, you need to look forward where we are headed and not the present.
Dave Rupe, it's a sad fact that extremists thrive on hate and propaganda rather than facts. They are dragging our country down into the political mess we now face.
Look @ ALL these "Good Samaritans" (Lk 10:25-37)!
Even if "unbeliever," where are your "morals?"
You keep "proving" yourselves (Jn 8:44)!
You ACED this one, Grace! Kudos.
Here's a couple MORE Positive Facts about Obama-Care which are simply IGNORED by Republicans ~ You can no longer be Discriminated Against or "Premium GOUGED" for a Pre-Existing Condition ~ An Ins, Company can no longer CANCEL a policy ARBITRARILY ~
A program which constantly loses money is a failure, like Amtrack, and anything else the govt touches fails / obamacare is failing and its unsustainable any way you look at it
Ralph these people are liberal and PC.
Obama good! Obama what you want us to do? Obama you hate whites but dat alright! Don't believe me, just ask pastor Jeremiah Wright!(:
Poetic / and absolutely correct - the sheeple are so loved by Barry O for their blind servitude
Yup I saw this newscast from another country and they were like "do the Americans not see this, that he is acting deliberately, this must be part of some plan, he is destroying his country" It was entertaining yet scary in a way!
Notice,liberals start with falsehoods&when debunked end with calling u hateful extremists while conservatives start with debunking lies&end with themdisappearing.http://www.naturalnews.com/052427_Obama_America_fu...
TSAD, I would not quote natural news website as over the years I have found them to have some fishy claims lol. I do respect you though TSAD & believe he is destroying out country.
Actually, in REALITY, we do NOT live in a Socialistic Society, nor a Democracy, nor a Republic, we live in a "Capitalistic KINGDOM" where a small few Corrupt individuals control the majority of the American Population as their SLAVEs ~
Roob, well that article is plain and simply true, I don't care where it originated. AP.watch this and then rethink your "kingdom" error. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0-cDKMS5M Donahue is made to look like a bufoon.
I would not say we are slaves, the african americans were slaves... we have it much much better now a days. However yes this world is enslaved to a wrong set of morals or what most people would consider liberal and politically correct.
Actually, in REALITY, unless you are Very Fortunate, Inherit a FORTUNE, Hit the Lottery, or are Extremely LUCKY, you must work for a living and you are forced to WASTE at Least 50% or MORE of your LIFE here on Planet EARTH , this makes you a SLAVE ~
Well everyone can't be as fortunate as you AP, Now what planet was that you are on? earth to AP, come in, come in.
A.P. News flash: U don't get to label anyone a "SLAVE." Speak 4 Urself. Never once in my life have I ever been a slave 2 any person nor thing. I've had both luck & more than my share of misfortunes.Not a moment of my life has been wasted.UR angry
OMG how can an alien space cadet get around on planet earth without labels? Mork is back!
Sorry to bring up a very sad event, but Mork is dead. Suicide. Guess he felt his life was a waste & tired of being a slave. It gets 'em every time.
AP is a zealot and a cheerleader for Hillary - actually, he may be a robot who keeps repeating the same thing (he loves to yell on the web with Capital Letters, so he's probably a militant liberal)
When I use caps it's for emphasis not yelling since you can't bold anything in comments. But, yeah, in his case I think he is screaming, must be a sHrilliary fan.
AP hates on many different levels, but mostly likes to write long nonsensical posts about a false reality he imagines is America
Actualy Ralph, the Nonsensical Rhetoric is abundant in "Republican PRETEND-Land", where REALITY like Drastic Climate CHANGE is Denied & Dismissed ~ In CONTRAST, I Market ONLY Facts which I encourage ALL my Readers to Verify & CONFIRM on their
I wasn't aware we were discussing the weather AP - your version of the facts is comical, but if believing in them helps you sleep at night, then continue. I'm glad my healthcare is self funded - have fun with your Obama-fail
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but here's the FACTs ~ I can indeed call RIGHT now and Purchase an Ins. Policy via the ACA ~ Pre-Existing C's are NO Longer & your Policy CANNOT be Cancelled Arbitrarily due to the ACA ~ Just the FACTs ~
Do you have an Obamacare policy AP? Tell us all about how great your costs and out of pocket expenses are.
It's irrelevant as to who provides my Insurance Policy ~ You said I don't post Factual Info and everyone around here understands that to be a False Allegation ~ P.S. ~ Concerned about Ins. Costs / Premiums? The BLAME is on Insurance Co's, NOT ACA ~
Should I call you Congressman AP - preach about something but don't use it yourself. This discussion is on giving Obamacare to illegals. More new out today on massive cost overruns - it's doomed
ASSUME away Ralph & I already inserted my OPINION about hard Working Un-Documented Individuals gaining access to ACA ~ Missed it?, Un-Documented Immigrants who pick our fruit are MORE Patriotic than CONservatives who OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increa
That's the comment that really makes you look like you are full of it. Show me a study, report, anything credible that shows illegal immigrants have a higher level of patriotism
Um...Ralph, I just gave you an irrefutable EXAMPLE of WHY but let me try again ~ Un-Documented Workers pick our FRUIT, Wash our Cars, & Keep our Hotel Rooms CLEAN ~ CONservative Congress-Persons OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increases ~ WHO is Patriotic?
Repeating a nonsensical answer doesn't make it suddenly true - what you are saying is that it's your opinion of such and you have no verifiable facts at all....but I already knew that since illegal aliens aren't too open about being surveyed
lol ~ Yup Ralph, ONLY in "Republican PRETEND-Land" Un-Documented Immigrants DO NOT Pick FRUIT & Clean Hotel ROOMs ~ I guess they become LAWYERs ~ Anyone who thinks Republicans OBSTRUCTING Wage Increases is "Patriotic" is Un-Patriotic him/herself
Dude, give it a rest. Patriotism is an emotional attachment to a nation which an individual recognizes as their homeland. Any illegal who can't even bother to learn English isn't patriotic and the minimum wage is irrelevant.
"DUDE" ~ Patriotism is about HELPING your Fellow Human Being attain a "Better Quality of LIFE" like paying him/her a WAGE he/she DESERVES, NOT just "SAYING" you're a Patriot which ALL Republicans do then proceed to Suppress Wages & Health Care ~
Dude - you are wrong. Helping your fellow man is charity. Patriotism is national pride. I admire you for never wavering on the minimum wage topic, but get your facts straight.
Patriotic Duty? This says very well - http://www.scribd.com/doc/3222739/What-Is-Your-Pat...
Ur both right. Being patriotic is having National Pride, but its also upholding the Core Values behind our creation such as helping others
My Esoteric ~ I appreciate your research & Here's a FACT ~ PHONEY "National Pride" as CONservative Republicans Display will NEVER Enhance the Lives of the Majority of Americans but raising the Minimum Wage & Providing Health Care certainly wi
Given Congress won't enhance the EITC enough to substitute for the minimum wage, we are stuck with it. I do, however, buy the argument that high MW's do suppress new business and the job growth that goes with it. An expanded EITC wouldn't do that.
My Esoteric ~ What individuals like Ralph don't seem to understand is Obstructing Minimum Wage Increases & Health Care Access as Republicans do, is Un-American & Un-Patriotic that's WHY states across the U.S. are unilaterally INCREASING Wages
Obamacare drastically increased costs for young workers http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/03/...
right on! Probably both goodness Lord have mercy lol.
Stirring the pot Clive? We're talking illegals of today....but you knew that! Thanks for stopping by
TRUTH always "hurts" Ralph!
Can "dish it out," but can't "take it?"
Would you rather have had the indians stay here. The black people would have never sold their own to the white man in america then. It would just be indians here. No whites or blacks. I thought you meant syrians to europe, my bad at 1st!!!
Hmmm, Europeans came here illegally and killed the Indians? When was that centuries ago? What law did they break that made them illegals?
Really Clive, if you want to make a point go where that is the discussion or at least be truthful.
Norrie - funny but you have no clue about what my comments mean to people I know - you sound so juvenile with your taunting - try commenting like a grown up - I respect Clive a lot and the comment was humor.....
It is MUCH MORE than a tragedy! It is a catastrophic hell of Dantean proportions. Think about the TENTH circle of ......HELL.
I agree with the sentiment, but reserve the term "slave" to those whose liberty is directly controlled by another or a government. While options of most Americans are clearly limited because of income inequality, I don't think it rises to "slave".
I think we might be playing with "Semantics" My Esoteric ~ When an individual is Forced to Work 4 a MASTER, He/She is a "SLAVE" ~ When a person is Forced to Work 4 a Corporation, He/She is a "Slave" ~ The ONLY Difference is the "Legalese" ~
Right - let's call Websters so AP can rewrite the dictionary to his liking.
You guys go back in time and tell the african americans that you are slaves too... lol. Sure we have corrupt leaders and rich people. But to say that we are slaves is SO ignorant. You don't have to stay here... go ahead and leave!(: Could the slaves?
The emerging disaster of Obamacare
Bad news about the costs of health insurance just keeps getting badder
Check out the Washington times http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/31/edit...
I used the exchange and was happy with the results. It listed 11 options that had better rates than the ones I saw shopping on my own. And I didn't get credits.
What state Scott?
@Scott, Better rates than what you had before Obamacare passed, like could you keep your old plan? Did you keep your doctor? How about the deductible, was that better?
Inquiring minds want to know Scott!
Kim, they aren't interested in facts, just hyperbole.
I have helped several working people who earn a little more than minimum wage in Florida and Oregon find affordable healthcare from the exchanges.
Scott likely can't answer cause his intellectual dishonesty has just been stumped.
Esoteric - so,what? The program is still a colossal failure - we could have easily given every uninsured person coverage without hijacking the system and for less money...but you already know that
Not interested in facts? That's you, not Ralph, and by the way Ralph never said give Obamacare for free, he said give them the ability to get it. Every citizen has been given that ability now Hiliary wants to give it to illegals.
Wow, sorry I posted a fact instead of an uninformed opinion because I was away for the weekend. My state is Virginia. TSAD, rates grew last year at the lowest amount since before Obamacare passed. Look it up if you dare.
I wonder why you answered a Q I didn't ask=dodge YOU didn't answer my questions"Better rates than what you had before Obamacare passed"NO"could you keep your old plan?"NO"Did you keep your doctor?"NO"the deductible, was that better?"NO,
No, of course not. How could anyone's rate be better than 5 years ago? Yes, yes and yes. Sorry I can't answer every detail of every one of your attacks on your timetable.
I also got a much better deal under the ACA than I had before, as did most people in my state (Ky) despite our senator and governor fighting every step of the way. Unfortunately, it still needs a bit of improvement, but it's better than it was.
See Scott,that's where you aren't honest.You act like Obamacare is great while your state is probably the best of them all,others horrendous,it hasn't provided anything they promised like a $2500 savings over 5 years ago-u are deceptive
Scott I don't get why you say "how can anybodys rate be better than five years ago?". If obamacare was supposed to be an improvement why wouldn't there be better rates?
Robert, because inflation pushes up prices on everything. That being said, health care costs have slowed to the lowest increase in 20 years. http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015...
Homes are comparable to the prices five years ago along with vehicles... I am pretty sure the dollar is pretty damn close to where it was five years ago...
Florida & Oregon have great options as well. I know several people who r very happy with it n Florida; some couldn't get insurance & others reduced their payment while getting better coverage. (My massage lady is one; a friend of hers is an
Moda lost $30 million and exited the Oregon exchange until the regulators begged them to come back to keep everyone from losing their coverage
The least of these? yeah they're concerned about them, that's why Democrat policies have left them worse off than they were 50 years ago, read the stats on Blacks or can't you find that in the hole in the ground your head is in.
Wow. Remind me not to comment on one of your posts again. Sorry to offer another point of view.
Oh,u poor victim.Can't you get anything right?This is not my thread &your comment is a total lie&a false attack on Christianity.But that's what we've come to expect from someone so blind as to think Hiliary is qualified to be president.
Yes tell me who are Christians who kill unborn babies, tell me?No need, we all know.
Kathleen, welcome to right-wing extremism. It's because of these people that I left the Republican Party and now vote my conscience rather than blindly follow some party ideology.
Huh, conscience? If you had one you'd be embarrassed at your own remarks.
Tsad, you seem to be filled with the same kind of hate that is destroying the Republican Party.
Again with religion. I'd really appreciate staying on topic. There are plenty of hubs and forums to argue abortion, religion, or party membership. Thanks
Talk about personal attacks,I haven't said one hateful thing,just observations of the truth.U use another liberal tactic,when lost argument(yes u've lost)demean the messenger,call him a racist,a hater,or a anything to take the focus off ur fail
If that's what you want, Ralph, then stop his personal attacks and inflammatory rhetoric -- "liberal looney", "liar", "rapist", "bimbo", "sex predator", "the hole in the ground your head is in," etc.
Do you have any facts to back this up or is it your opinion? I am not worried so much about the crime... its all the money & liberties they get from us while people here suffer! We need to take care of all our peoples health before illegals!
I doubt it, and don't confuse legal immigrants with illegals - no one has a problem with those who obey our laws. Most illegals border on illiterate - educate yourself before making such comments
Yeah as long as they do it right and don't make the ones who are suffer, then come on over to A-merry-ca!(:
"...than probably you do?" Ralph and Roob, you've just witnessed a real life page form the liberal play book if there ever was one. First lie, then condescendingly demean people you don't even know because they might disagree with you. Sick
Yes Tsad, but all conversations get bomb throwers and the "prove it" type - instead of bringing a comprehensive fact based argument, they use propaganda and personal attacks
America is billions in debt, we have no funds for all these added daily to the bankroll. It is going to be a disastrous end but ones like the Clinton's don't have to live here once they have raked in all their millions, do they? We do.
Ralph, you don't seem to mind bomb throwers like tsad on your side of the aisle. If you want a civil debate, I suggest you challenge anyone who acts uncivil and not just the other side.
Listen to Scott. I don't throw bombs, I point out facts, Scott on the other hand is just mad (and should be embarrassed) because the facts he call bombs usually blow up him and his liberal looney friend's propaganda.
Scott - Tsad - pleas don't turn this into a he said, he said issue. I'd like to continue to focus on the topic above. Could Hillary be saying this as a way to generate some money to help Obamacare limp along?
I strongly disagree that I have sunk to his level. His words -- "sick", "liberal looney", "liar", "rapist", "bimbo", "sex predator", "You are not so brilliant yourself", "the hole in the ground your head is in," etc.
Come on guys, can't we all agree that the democrats give more to the illegal immigrants than the republicans across the board?! Can't we also agree that the illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting these benefits?!
That's right keep the focus off your fail. All those words are truth, not name calling, observations of the truth, on the other hand you deceive, divert and just stop answering questions when shown you are wrong.
Actually, no. Mexicans just burned Obama in effigy because the deportation of illegals under his administration reached an all-time high. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/27/politics/mexico-east...
Oh no they get sent back over with no punishment & just have to walk back over again? Lol they can commit non violent crimes such as dealing dope or whatever then just get sent back home
More Scott deception,Obama's deportations are result of his change in how they calculate them.It used to be they didn't include those turned at the border,now they do.His actual deportations without including those are down. google it
Robert, it disputes your point that Democrats cater to illegals. If they were, wouldn't deportations be plunging?
You just said they were at an all time high? Then TSAD said you were wrong with the calculations... well Scott either way if they are up or down does that change what democrats give to them? I don't see how because they can just come back anyways.
Robert, thought someone might ask. From the Right-wing Wall Street Journal - http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connectio...
How can u possibly ascertain how likely illegals are to commit crimes when we don't know how many are here,estimates range from 10 million to 30 million,you can only document those who get caught&they don't report crimes to other illegals
who are most likely their targets since they can only interact with illegals or get caught. Can't you think for yourself instead of swallowing any media's crapola about studies?. You can site a study to prove almost anything.
the cat has someones tongue.
Many of the illegal immigrants wind up as our crime statistics.
That's right,&when compassion is a feigned reason while the real reason she does it is not compassion but simply to get votes &given her lifelong record of lying&no compassion for Sex'lAslt victims u have a serious sociopath/psychopath.
Are you opening your house to the poor, the destitute, and the illegal aliens? Compassion is a term used a lot, but not always executed upon.
Hiliary whasn't driven a car in 30 years,u think she has a compassionate bone in her body,for her Bill'sSAvictims,or the military&their families(lied to their faces on Benghazi)or even her daughter whom she included in lie about sniperfire?
Good to see you, Breakfastpop! Long time no see!
That is exactly what it is all about & as many as can illegally vote wherever they can which we know happens. Just buy as many as they can with taxpayers money when her butt should be behind bars like months ago for any one of a dozen reasons.
Please provide proof from a credible source that mass numbers of illegals are voting and that Clinton has violated the law. When and where was she convicted? Is she innocent until proven guilty in a U.S. court of law?
Proof?here's your proof: California motor-voter law will flood rolls with noncitizens (just google it)&this: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431676/obama... R u so naive u think illegals don'tvote
An interesting article from one of the most conservative, anti-Democratic magazines in the country. I couldn't find any reference to mass voting by illegals, just references by some groups that want to make sure they can't vote.
Nice try at more ID. Try googling illegals caught voting. Where there is smoke there is fire, if you don't see that you are turning a blind eye to a problem solely because you don't want to admit you are wrong. Intellectually Dishonest
Yeah Right, GOOD Deeds for the Sake of HUMANITY as Hillary would do is ALWAYs considered a DISGRACE by Backward CONservative Republicans in Congress, but initiate a BILL to Give even MORE of our WEALTH to Wall Street and they are all over it ~
Yes, Hillary is happy to spend my money. Don't you get tired of cheerleading for a criminal with a body count larger than some mortuaries ?
Hillary is Ready & Willing to SPEND Money on those Americans who Need Assistance, however, she nor Bernie are Ready nor Willing to give OUR Wealth to Wall Street Swindlers like "Drumpf" Trump ~ Hillary a "Criminal"? FALSE Accusation as usual ~
Why take their$? https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.ph...
SORRY Ralph, but I've done my "Due Diligence" & I can't seem to find any "Criminal Records" to attribute any "BODY Count" to Hillary ~ But I did find Plenty of LEGAL Complaints Against "Drumpf" Trump ~ I POST Verifiable FACTs, apparently U Don't
I'm NOT interested in OPINION Ralph ~ You said Hillary C is a Criminal with "Bodies" attributed to her Criminal Activity ~ As proof, I'd like to see REAL Tangible EVIDENCE of your Dubious Claims ~ Conviction Docs. or Prison Records please ~
Are we talking legal complaints or convictions - i notice you change the words. Monica saved Hillary from going down over Whitewater. And of course she does have the blood of 4 Americans on her hands from Benghazi.
You, FOX Loser Snooze Channel, "Drumpf" Trump & other CONservatives have tried to make a Dubious yet COMICAL Career out of runnin' around the INTERNET making FALSE Accusations about Hillary C ~ When she's CONVICTED please let me KNOW ~
I suppose Cosby is guilty of nothing because he hasn't been convicted?I suppose the only crime Al Capone committed was tax evasion?I suppose there are no criminals on the street who haven't been convicted(or even charged)with crime?Naive!
Congratulations TSAD, in Theory, you've Successfully Subverted the ESSENCE of OUR Legal System but it's NO Big Surprise coming from a CONservative ~ Still waiting patiently for that elusive HARD Evidence of a Crime such as "Prison Records" ~
&what essence is that,no one is guilty of anything unless they are convicted?Cause that's your insane position.I suppose if ur mother was raped&didn't charge anyone you'd say the rapist is innocent?Naive as canbe.CRIMEhappens w/o legalsystem
It's OK Tsad - Hillary never get's indicted, but everyone around her "accidentally" dies - sound like any Mafia figures you know?
Well are you referring to mafia figures that were convicted of crimes or the ones who haven't been convicted? Oh wait, if not convicted they can't be mafia, right?
lol ~ Keep it Up Fellas, FOX Loser Snooze would be very PROUD of you ~ In the mean time, I'll just keep waiting in anticipation of those PRISON Docs to PROVE your FALSE Accusations ~ P.S. ~ CONservative Paul Ryan is a CRIMINAL too ~ lol ~
Paul Ryan?Is he being investigated by the FBI?Has he left dead bodies in the wake of his career too?If so you could be right!Knowing you AP,you don't even have anything to accuse him of except being a Republican.Time you don ur tinfoil hat
When the indictment comes down for her e-mail scandal you'll certainly be a quiet one right AP ? The definition of the word criminal doesn't refer to convictions. try that google thingy out
I believe you have legal immigration and illegal immigration somehow overlapped - no one has any problem with legal immigrants becoming part of the system, but when lawbreaking illegals are added to the mix, it creates problems
I'm an accountant. I fill out these forms for a living. To qualify for ACA you have to have a tax ID # or SS#. You have to have it for the form so the government can track you through your insurance provider.
Agreed but Hillary Clinton is proposing we give it to illegal aliens, which would have anew set of guidelines, I'm sure. That's why people are in an uproar, since 85% of those on it already are subsidized
By "illegal aliens" do you mean undocumented workers or people who have overstayed their visas? Because the vast majority are in the second category and would have an ID# that just got bounced back, and I assume it would just stop bouncing?
It was a blanket statement made by Mrs. Clinton - difficult to tell
Well if you're undocumented you'd be documented and issued an id, and you're working so your employer would be paying into the system. And if not your ID's just expired. So either way, you shouldn't be denied insurance.
A blanket statement by a liar solely to pander to Hispanics,Congress will never allow it&she knows it.Democrats only keep minorities around so they can use them.Obama promised them amnesty, controlled congress for 2 years&got them nada.
Totally wrong - almost every exchange is collapsing. Illegal Aliens are not patriotic. And then you go off on a hijack trip - too bad you can't have a real conversation based on facts instead of liberal propaganda.
Here's the FACTs ~ Un-Documented Immigrants Pick your Tomatoes, Clean your Hotel ROOMs, and Wash your CARS ~ CONservative Republicans OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increases for Working Individuals ~ So Who's MORE Patriotic?
you sadly don't understand economics - raising the minimum wage would do nothing but drive all prices up and lower employment levels - try reading Econ 101 - the owners aren't giving up profits, they pass those variable costs along
AP you are right nothing is collapsing, because it never inflated after the 2008 collapse. Just because you use the word, "FACT" dn make it so.
What book do you read to get your FACTS?
20 million more people, most with catastrophic deductions.
lol ~ Obama-Care is NOT Collapsing, I can pick Up the Cell and Enroll in a Policy Right NOW ~ Secondly, GROTESQUE CORPORATE CEO Pay has been DRAMATICALLY Increasing yet NO Detrimental Affect yet RIGHT? GO After Greedy CEO's NOT Working Americans ~
Ouch - the Fed and their Osamacare boo boo http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/03/t...
Right on it is bad here in America... i feel for ya guys!
What you are sharing is pertinent to this discussion, even if we just use it as a window forward to see how our system could be infiltrated and collapsed by non-citizens
I was just trading comments with someone from the UK who was singing praise of the UK Health Service??
Politico, Forbes, CNBC, NY Times - maybe if you'd do a little research before spouting propaganda, you'd know. I'm happy the Republican Party is collapsing - they rolled over to every disaster Obama set them up for - America made weaker.
Just a couple years after ACA was implemented,12 out of 23 co-ops failed,costing taxpayers $1.2 billion.Google obamacares collapse
One Washington Post article, circa 2015, said about 33% of new plans created 4 ACA will fold by the end of 2015. That isn't too bad when you consider that 80% of new businesses fold within the first 2 to 3 years of their existence. It's all relative.
I wrote an in-depth article on this topic that I'd encourage people to read - it's non-partisan and full of facts. It shows the underside of Obamacare some might not believe
ME, 80% where did u get that? "About half of all new establishments survive five years or more and about one-third survive 10 years or more-Source:U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Even Zeke Emanual said this about new business failures
and the failed co ops are only 3 years old http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/20... Can't you ever be honest?
I agree with everything you've said Gabby with one addition ~ The Republican Party has Collapsed already ~ 20 MILLION Americans with Health-Care ~ Pre-Existing Conditions GONE ~ Ins. Companies can NO Longer Cancel an individuals Policy ~ ALL GOOD ~
And it all could have been done without hijacking the system - funny but if the Republicans would have made such a power grab, you'd be shouting in the streets....
As you WELL know, the 80% is a general rule of thumb used by many. But, the more current #s are (fail rate) 2 yr ~ 24%; 3 yr ~ 38%; 4 yr ~ 45%; 5 yr ~ 51% - Interesting, Exchanges are no different than other businesses. So much for your hyperbole.
80%? by many? that makes it true? many liars! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxDjbq7nJzk but then when did you ever care about the truth? I haven't seen it yet, ME.
You must be a government employee to believe that the US economy is not still as fragile as it was in 2007. Gov employees are shielded from the reality of the economy. Maybe if there jobs would follow the economy like those in the private secto
lol ~ What's wrong with Government Employees? Most are MORE Patriotic than CONservative Republicans ~ P.S. ~ Always Remember, it was Imbecile George W. Bush & his incompetent Republican Cabinet that Undermined & Destroyed OUR Economy ~
Yeah, like Lois Lerner, or how about the selective service whoring in Europe, let me see, remember this guy? https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/wood...
It is hard to get united with extremists are shouting down everyone else.
NPR AND HARVARD SAY: OBAMACARE IS A COMPLETE FAILURE
Ralph ~ OBAMA-Care has Insured 18-20 MILLION MORE Americans & Eliminated Pre-Existing Condition "Premium GOUGING" by Insurance Companies & Eliminated Unilateral "Arbitrary CANCELLATION of Policy" by the Insurance Company ~ Hardly a Failure ~
You remind me of a guy with a wrecked car telling how good of gas mileage it gets
lol ~ Ralph, U Remind me of a GUY who Watches FOX Loser Snooze Channel a little too MUCH ~ SORRY if FACTs Contradict your ASSUMPTIONs, but the TRUTH, and ONLY the TRUTH is what I Present ~ 20 MILLION Americans will NOT be Stripped of OBAMACare
i hope you don't handle money at your job - a Losing program, even if some people call it good, is a failure. Not successful.
"I haven't heard of the exchanges collapsing anywhere"well what are you doing leaning your head out the window?Just a couple years afterACAwas implemented,12 out of 23 co-ops failed,costing taxpayers $1.2 billion.Google obamacares collapse
You are right, many sites try to hide the facts about Obamacare - fortunately the truth is available here. I suggest you do an Internet search and you'll see the truth no plotical slant, just the facts.
Illegal immigrants already have free health care - it's called the emergency room. That's where poor people went before the ACA bill put everyone under health insurance. We (the tax payers) always paid for this anyway.
So do the millions of other people who don't have health insurance. And there are still millions.
No illegal is going to pay for health insurance no matter how you look at it, but if they think she is saying they can get it free they'll vote for her, illegally, she is counting on it.
So you think all of the millions of illegal aliens in this country will be able to vote? How exactly?
Who can believe anything that Hillary says? She is corrupt as they came. She has a history of prevarications in one way or another.........
Yes illegals can vote.. well kinda.. see herehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-foster/democr...
That is how Scott, lol I had to look it up tho.
The emergency room does not provide life-saving screenings. I have "Obama care". It is very affordable, and it saved my life last year.
Robert, that is an opinion piece by someone speculating that illegals can find a way to vote. He offers no proof.
Ok Scott the huffingtonpost was wrong but your opinion on hubpages is correct? Yours is an opinion. It is fact that it is possible for illegals to vote. Do you think they won't try at all... none of them? C'mon it's common sense not even opinion!
Robert, I simply posted a quote by her from CNN. How is that my opinion?
Scott, thanks for a rational answer!
Scott,there you again misstating the truth to make it sound absurd.I never said millions of illegals will be able to vote,I've basically said if they want to they can find a way with the help of the Democrats.U r bing Intelectually Dishonest.
not about that scott, we were talking about the illegals voting.
TSAD and Robert, if you think illegal aliens are voting, then provide proof from a credible source. And TSAD, don't get personal.
Are those "morals" unbelievers possess, working for you?
Norrie - please explain why you keep mentioning unbelievers - religion has no bearing on this discussion, it's a matter of human law we're discussing
Scott, give me proof they're not voting. Illegals have been caught voting, how can not know it, just google "illegals caught voting" yet you pretend there is no proof. You are so intellectually dishonest on every point you make!
Do you think illegals are some kind of law abiding people?They have to break many laws in more than 1 country to get here,let alone to stay here,why would you think they are law abiding when it comes to voting for dems who'll giv'm amnesty?
Ralph, please read the above posts. Do you really think this is he said, he said?
That's your answer? Really, u'll try anything to avoid defending your failed position now, you are so transparent in your tactics I wonder why u even bother.
I'm trying to find you two some virtual boxing gloves - this is getting fierce
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check out the hub I posted a few days ago that actually shows the economic, social, crime and other impact the illegals have on America - it will frighten you plus tick you off
No need to ship anyone, stop giving them free stuff and jobs and they will leave for greener pastures. They know the way here, they can find the way back. Offer them free bus rides hiome then and you won't have enough buses.
Exactly Vince. This welfare scenario has GOT TO END. It started in the 1960s. Since then the welfare state has GROWN by leaps & bounds. It is time to cut welfare & other entitlement programs by 75-90%. ENOUGH is ..ENOUGH...is ENOUGH!!
Agreed - welfare used to be something people were embarrassed about, now those who get it brag about it
So Ralph, it is your belief that the vast majority who receive Medicaid, Food Stamps, Housing Assistance, and other such assistance aren't embarrassed about being in such a position as needing it; that they actually like getting it?
Too many people make no attempt to escape dependency on the system. Society makes it too easy to stay on all the programs. And yes, many people would rather stay at home and collect it with no remorse or embarrassment.
Ralph, what constitutes "too many" to you? 1%, 10%, 50%? Illegals get a minuscule amount, I bet less than 1%, of all means-tested assistance.
I'll tell you what constitutes too many.Fedlaw prevents illegal aliens from receiving benefits meant forAmerican citizens.with the exception of emergency medical care.Because illegals are not legally entitled to these benefits does't mean
they don't apply for them.Do u think illegals who have broken laws even in other countries to get here,cheating legal immigrants,will respect our laws? Illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability,
public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state&federal agencies. Illegals then bear children who are U.S. Citizens and then they are eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps.
Illegals then bear children who are U.S.Citizens&then they are eligible for benefits such asWIC&food stamps.Illegals often worklow paying jobs so now qualify for benefits.Our own failures are what cause illegals to receive benefits.
Tsad - check out all the links I posted from today's news about how Obamacare is failing - AP still crying his Social Justice Warrior rants
I've seen them all. For any article praising Obamacare there are 50 about it failing. Guess the vast right wing conspiracy is hard at work combating anyone without their tinfoil hat.
You would probably go to prison if you got caught sneaking into Mexico.
Your could call yourself Senorita Lolita....from Bonavita
LOL! Funny how I would get arrested for sneaking into Mexico, but it's a free for all to come to the US.
No need to leave the country,just become friends with illegals,they'll show you how to cheat the system http://cis.org/mortensen/irs-protects-and-rewards-... vote multiple times&get rich! http://videos2view.net/tax-fraud.htm
They actually pay people to teach them how to game the system.
Mexico's own immigration laws are a conservative wet dream - and they have a wall on their own southern border to keep Central Americans out!
Well it does now in California as TSAD pointed out. The first step was to make it possible for illegals to get a drivers license. Then it is decided if they had a drivers license they could register to vote. Very slick on Gov. Browns part.
Middle class people NEED TO REVOLT! What is this #$%%%? Hillary has really gone........berserk! The Democratic Party ain't what it used to be, ain't what it used to be. The Old Democratic Party ain't what is used to be....hmmmm....
No, she is not giving it away for free. She has said on CNN and other places that they can use it if they pay for it like everyone else.
everyone else doesn't pay for it, don't you know how it works, if your income is below a certain level the government pays for it. If you are an illegal you likely can't or won't even say what you really make!
Yes, I know how it works. Many people pay for it and poor people get help with tax credits. Clinton also said the illegals would not qualify for tax credits.
So what you are telling me is she said they could have it but can't get tax credits&we know they can't afford it,so she is lying to them(sounds like Hiliary).WHY?So they'll vote for her where they can thanks to Obama's&California's policies?
If they can't afford it, then they won't get coverage. The ones that are well established here will buy it if they can afford it. That doesn't make her statement a lie.
You would be better off if you could.
Scott - illegals don't deserve anything in reward for breaking American law other than a trip home - if they can afford to buy insurance, then they can pay for their own flights back to the country of their birth
Ralph, I never said that they did. I only said that Clinton doesn't think it should be given away for free.
Sorry to attack you Scott - just frustrated by the entire premise of doing positive things for people who broke our laws
Thank you, Ralph. I appreciate your gracious reply. I fully agree that illegals should not receive government benefits and that we need to do more to stop the flood. I just want to solve the problem with as much factual information as possible.
there we go Scott, that sounds reasonable!
Robert, I meant to say that illegals shouldn't receive any "free" benefits. I don't have a problem if they pay for health insurance. I certainly think they should pay income taxes and Social Security taxes. I hope you still think that's reasonable.
Scott - doesn't that seem to be a reward (bringing them into our system) when they aren't even citizens, and actually breaking US law? I disagree
Ralph, I don't want illegals here, not following the laws on immigration and not paying taxes. But if they are here and so far haven't been deported, would you rather have them pay for insurance and put a lid on costs or not pay for it at all?
Why would you pay social security if you weren't a citizen? That's an insurance that you pay into so you can later draw out of it. It makes no sense to pay into it if you aren't eligible for the program.
Scott, I'd rather just send them home. Allowing them to stay shows weakness of leadership in my opinion. When they come to an ER, we treat them and arrest them for deportation - sounds harsh, but it is the law
That's not the law. The law is to tell them that their visa is expired. You aren't required to report them and a medical professional certainly can't deport someone. A person is only deported if the renewal is rejected, after it's been processed.
No I don't like it and agree with you partner!
The Dems want America weak - this cannot be allowed
Yet millions see her as a savior. They must be looking for satan is all I know. I think she and Bill are above the law millionaire alcoholics. Who can really imagine she has enough sense to be president?
I don't know where that alcoholic part came from Jackie... but the rest yeah...
I can't understand all the support for lawbreakers who are hurting our economy. American citizenship should matter more than it does to everyone.
roob, check it out http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-dri...
Jackie...just a quick response 2 UR comment. Funny U bring up the "alcoholic" issue. Looking at Bill the other day, he clearly has the facial changes & flaws of a heavy drinker. In fact his bulbous RED nose is a screaming symptom. He lives w/ HER
Why would sHilliary's husband have to be driven to drink? I mean aren't they the cat's pajamas of a happily married couple? What is it 40 plus years!! Without each other that probably would have been 40 year prison sentences each. :-o
Would you mind listing some of those things that make her good for the job?
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illegals are not citizens, I think you are confused, however even illegals are not denied healthcare here, all anyone need do is go to an emergency room or maybe pay for it like everyone else.
No, that's official US immigration code terminology - illegal alien, resident alien, etc. Hiltler would,have executed them, let's be serious here.
You should do a hub on voter ID - Could be quite interesting. I wrote a new Obamacare hub yesterday if you care to read it.
Man you are fast, I just posted the answer! :-) You know 4 or 5 years ago your hubs and Q&As would be swamped with liberals combating you, since Obamacare failed they have all but disappeared from these conversations.
No, welcome to the USSA!
Comrades, do not fear the machine! The machine is good! The machine will take care of you as long as you bow down and get the mark! Long live the machine! Those without the mark will be rounded up and questioned! Long live the machine!
may be she got the best alternatives, she is a brillent Lady and more talented then Obama
Yes, I'm definitey going to believe that coming from someone who can't spell even when spellcheck is automatic!
Spell check doesn't catch words that are spelled correctly but used wrong.
What spellcheck do u use? brillent comes up as misspelled MZB. You are not so brilliant yourself.
I wasn't talking about her alternatives, but about yours as the voters! I mean look at the 4 possible candidates and tell the world you really want one of these to reign your beautiful country. I wouldn't want any of them.
It's possible that the Sanders supporters and the Blue Blood Republicans simply stay home if its a Trump/Clinton battle - the low turnout could present a whole new set of variables
Lili, you know what, I wouldn't either, but the real travesty is that the ones I'd like to see run wouldn't submit themselves and their loved ones to the circus it has become. So we are left with those who will. But who else WOULD u want?
MzB....Yes you are brilliant, in many ways. Hopefully you already know this. I've certainly come to think highly of you. The reality is, we need to care more about each other than we do about how we vote. You're an awesome lady.
Off topic, but have you seen how unhealthy Bill has been looking?
Get Bill back?He was impeached for perjury&OofJ(acquitted?How that happen?).According to more than1of his alleged victims Hiliary is Bill’s enabler,the chief protector of their abuserWho'd want accused sex predator back inWHor his wife?
Yes I think he looks like an alcoholic which I believe them both to be. Things they do and things they say and they are going to be in charge of our country? God forbid.
I heard Bill has advanced Heart Disease and he's now a vegan??? I'm really watching to see her VP pick, as she may die in office if elected.
Awww....what a pity. :(
Didn't Jorge Ramos ask her if she drops dead, will she quit the presidential race?Oh, no that was indicted. Maybe someone should ask her if she is indicted will she drop dead. :-)
"Hillary doesn’t even resemble the party of her husband anymore." Hiliary never did, she was too busy squelching BImbo interruptions for her serial rapist husband.
Can you prove that he was ever convicted of rape, much less serial rape?
There are plenty of serial rapists out there who haven't been convicted. You think you have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal? That's odd. Guess you believe Bill Cosby too? http://www.albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm
The middle class is dissolving. This is a Luciferian inference. It seems that welfare recipients, illegal aliens, & other freeloaders are living better than hard-working middle class Americans who are falling through the cracks!!!! Unbelievable
That's what I thought. You've got a mouth but no evidence. You, my friend, are guilty of libel. I would be careful if I were you. (not you, Grace)
You my friend are as naive as a baby.I suppose if he had raped you,but it was just your word against his&he had a cabal to defame you so you couldn't press charges you'd say he didn't rape you because he wasn't charged?That's your position
Tsad, I know more about the Clintons than you ever will by reading hate mail. I've known Bill personally since 1978, and he has always been a gentleman. And I was more attractive than some of his so-called accusers, just not as cheap looking.
So THAT is the answer to my question?Nice dodge,u know the answer to my question proves your position is wrong.Hate mail?Where u get that?Bill's philandering is well documented,were I u I'd be embarrassed to be associated withoralsex&bimbos
Keep talking, you just keep painting yourself into the corner. You didn't say philandering. You said rape. I answered your libelous accusation of rape. You're dodging now.
You aren't aware of the multiple rape accusations against him as a result of his philandering? u new him personally since 1978?The year he raped Juanita Broaddrick, right. Nice company you were keeping, guess you approve of adultery too.
TSAD, you certainly like to get personal with people who think differently than you. Please try to be civil and post facts rather than accusations and insults.
What difference does it make? Democrat or Republican, BELIEVE THIS: Bible WILL BE FULFILLED! Either what we think (good r bad), it ALL leads to FULFILLMENT of BIBLE!!!
(READ Romans 13:1-7!)
Can you comment without quoting scripture?
What's the matter? Your google search not working? Maybe you'll understand poetry. http://www.funny.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Funny.woa/...
Please look it up on google instead of wasting space on this page.
An illegal alien is a foreigner who is in the U.S. illegally. There are roughly 11 million illegal aliens in the country right now.
PDX, what are you an enabler? :-) He has to learn how to educate himself, after all just look at his name! Tells the whole story.
He's baiting you, that's why I didn't respond - it's a moronic tactic of playing dumb to attempt to shame us for calling them illegal - I have no shame, so it doesn't work on me - I loathe illegals, they are lawbreakers and need deported
I laugh,they say you can't deport 11 million illegals,it would cost,blah,blah.What a red herring.Stop giving them jobs&freebies,allow them to freely go back over the border&they'd be gone in a year.Givetaxcredits toUberfor rides to border!lol
You know what, the "leaders" are who their electorates wanted (maybe not considering election fraud but who can prove it?). They got what they voted for, if we don't like it we should vote them out but then vote the right people in!
They are blinded by the money waved in front of them by people like George Soros
which is why Trump is such a maligned and attacked candidate, because Soros and others know they can't buy him, they know they can't easily destroy him... so they are doing EVERYTHING within their power to destroy his reputation and campaign.
Acandidate who can't be bought isa game changer,&for President a potential gamechanger of the entire system,a spoiler both party establishments are scared to death of which shows they've more in common with each other than own constituents.
Ken - both parties stand to suffer if a non establishment candidate wins, so Trump gets it both barrels
TSAD they have more in common with each other because no matter what side has power in Washington they continue to pass agreements and laws that are killing our country... from NAFTA to TPP from Borders not controlled to businesses hiring illegals
Ken, now that's the plain truth. No one can argue with your statement, that's why to fix things the Democrat/Republican cabal members, including all those who sit by and do nothing but watch as America is sold down the river need to be gone.
I posted a hub on Obamacare yesterday and it's pass/fail status - my call is failing
Now, THAT'S a reason I won't vote for her. The Democratic Party has become the party of hand-outs & entitlements. ENOUGH is ENOUGH!
Failing? Tell that to the people who are living, now that they have access to healthcare; without it, they would be dead.
Could have been done without taking over the system - look to my complete hub in the topic and comment there on the entire program, costs, etc. plenty of people give Obamacare a failing grade regardless of the few benefits
Yeah, you see Ralph, who cares if it's done right or will last, their good intentions (which is a ruse in itself) are supposed to justify any bad outcome.
And how many are still uninsured? Even if it's the so-called law of the land! Failure of leadership
Once again, Old Poolman is never wrong! :-)
Please tell me how illegal aliens in this country are allowed to vote, and if so, why have you not done your part in getting it stopped? Turn them in. They can't vote under our Constitution.
MizB, not informed are you? California Governor Jerry Brown signed the New Motor Voter Act, which will automatically register people to vote through the DMV, results in illegal aliens voting.BO's temporary deportation amnesty makes it easy
Not informed? Does your law have a clause that says illegals can vote. Ours doesn't. I work as a legal editor and a DMV voter registration does not trump the Constitution and allow illegals to vote no matter how it reads.
The constitution is of no value if it is not enforced and the Democrat party, this President, contrives ways to get around it daily and if not they simply refuse to enforce it - wake up MzB. Just google "illegals vote" and read, you'll see.
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