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NO ONE Owes YOU Anything

  1. gmwilliams profile image82
    gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago

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    There is much discussion on the current socioeconomic malaise in this country. There are people who strongly argue that the reason for this current malaise is that the wealthier classes are greedy and are squeezing out the middle classes.  There are others who staunchly contend that those in the lower socioeconomic rungs are oppressed by the wealthier classes.  A few go so far as to advocate a newer and improved socioeconomic class system where income is more evenly distributed. 

    Yes, there are those who love to blame others for their socioeconomic quagmire. They maintain that they cannot succeed because society is holding them down.  However, despite the current socioeconomic fiasco, there are THOSE who are still making successes out of themselves.They refuse to listen to naysayers who strongly assert that one cannot possibly become successful in this economy.

    There are those who proclaim that they are poor because of the wealth. They maintain that NO ONE should be wealthy at all while there are poor people.  Yet, many poor people in the United States are content with their lives the way it is.  If they weren't, they would make the sacritices to educated and better themselves.  Many poor people in this country are passive regarding their fates. They feel that there is nothing they can do to better their situation. 

    Yet these are the same people who protest when programs are cut.  They are the same people who decry those in their same neighborhood who do make better lives. They are the same people who disencourage their younger people from pursuing higher education so that the latter can have a better life.  They are the same people who tell their children not to have aspirations but to just settle for the crumbs of life. 

    Let's be factual, many people are poor in the United States because of negative thinking combined with a passive mentality.  Many think that those who are more socioeconomically affluent OWE them a better life.  Well, NO ONE owes anyone anything.    People need to get up off their assets in order to make a better life for themselves.   Do you agree?

    1. Credence2 profile image86
      Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I have no patience with the indolent, for they will always have an excuse as to economic disparity in society and lament as to their status therein. However, we must continue to remove any structural barriers outside ones desire to prepare and work toward the goals they reasonably set. While overt racism is rare, there are structural advantages, maybe akin to the "legacy" concept as to why certain students have preferential treatment in admission to ivy league colleges. Preference and privilege give some unfair advantage over others. Why a certain amount of that is always there, we must recognize and neutralize as much of this as possible in the competitive scheme of things. 

      Ones idea of 'success' is as with so many other things, relative.

      For me, it is ultimately the ability to do what I want to do when I want to do it. That means that I would rather live on a $60K pension, free to carry out my mandate, over working for $120,000.00 tied to a job and employer and all that entails. While there are parameters to this within limits, freedom takes precedent over wealth in of itself, the latter being just a possible means to that end.

      1. GA Anderson profile image82
        GA Andersonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Come on Creed, that was gobbledegook.

        What are you trying to say?

        GA

        1. Credence2 profile image86
          Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Geez, GA, was it that difficult?, freedom to do you want when you want to do it is more important than just accumulating money without any time to spend or enjoy it!! Thats my point, tell me if I can clarify anything else

          1. GA Anderson profile image82
            GA Andersonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Well, now was that so hard? Look how clearly you made your point in 3 short lines.

            And I agree with you about the luxury of having such a choice as an option.

            And I also agree that creating the circumstances that allow you to have that choice is a much more intelligent path than a blind pursuit of monetary "wealth"

            GA

            1. Credence2 profile image86
              Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Delighted to see that you find the approach a sensible one, it is my modus operandi

    2. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It's all about systems that create opportunities and minimize the impact of being born or raised poor etc. currently the US is very bad at that which is why we have the worst economic mobility in the first world. So yes system change is required so that more people can succeed rather than a very lucky few.

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        Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        A system change is necessary,  We need a return to capitalism.

    3. Quilligrapher profile image91
      Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Good evening, Ms. Williams. I hope you do not mind if I toss in my two cents.

      “The American Dream” is rooted in the idea of upward mobility, the notion that individuals and families can escape the confines of poverty and disadvantage through hard work and perseverance. However, this dream has been turned into today’s economic nightmare.

      To say “many people are poor in the United States because of negative thinking combined with a passive mentality” is to repeat a common theme. It is heard frequently and always with plenty of assertions and assumptions but it is never supported by any verifiable data. This statement is only true because of its blatant and narrow-minded vagueness. It falsely implies that with enough positive motivation poverty would be eradicated.

      Sadly, this sentiment ignores the more widespread and the more serious causes. It would be far more accurate to say that many millions more are poor in the United States because the many tools and skills needed to escape poverty are beyond their reach no matter how positively motivated they may be. While some like to focus on “negative thinking” and “passive mentality,” millions of Americans remain poor because they have little choice. 

      The lack of motivation and effort is not the major cause of poverty so there is little point to dwelling on it. Investigators have found that “children who were born to families at the top of the income structure have the highest probability of being in the highest income strata as adults, while those born at the bottom have the highest probability of being poor as adults.” {1}

      The Wolff study in 2012 established, “In 2010, the average white household in American had almost 20 times as much total wealth as the average African-American household, and more than 70 times as much wealth as the average Latino household. If we exclude home equity from the calculations and consider only financial wealth, the ratios are more than 100:1.” {2} The distribution of wealth in the US is so skewed, the poorest among us would have to increase their financial wealth 100 times and they would still be ranked among the lowest 20% of the population. This is the negative incentive that is built into our economic system.

      Other experts say, “children growing up in low-income families face many challenges that children from more advantaged families do not. These children are more likely to experience multiple family transitions, move frequently, and change schools. The schools they attend are less well funded, and the neighborhoods they live in are more disadvantaged. The parents of these children have fewer resources to invest in them and, as a consequence, their homes have fewer cognitively-stimulating materials, and their parents invest less in their education. The stress of living in poverty and struggling to meet daily needs can also impair parenting.” {3} Among these most formidable obstacles, “negative thinking combined with a passive mentality” is so insignificant that it is not even mentioned.

      The US economic model has been designed by the rich and for the rich. It forces all wealth to gravitate from the lowest levels of society upward into the pockets of those at the top. Therefore, the wealthiest Americans do not remain wealthy because they are positively motivated, work harder, or are better educated. They become wealthier merely because they are at the top. The obvious conclusion is that there is far less wealth circulating at the lowest levels of our society to benefit all of the most highly motivated. It should be obvious what will happen in America when all of the nation’s wealth becomes concentrated in the top 20%.
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      {1} Isaacs, Julia B.; Sawhill, Isabel V.; Haskins, Ron. 2008. Getting Ahead or Losing Ground: Economic Mobility in America. Washington, DC: Brookings Institution.
      {2} Wolff, E. N. (2012). The Asset Price Meltdown and the Wealth of the Middle Class. New York: New York University.
      {3} http://www.nccp.org/publications/pub_909.html

      1. Reality Bytes profile image91
        Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I was going to respond that just because someone is poor does not mean they are not trying their best to elevate themselves.  It is sometimes difficult to match motivation with opportunity.

        But I will just agree with what Quill said.  Much more articulate and thorough than anything I would have been capable of compiling. 

        Especially with my low income lifestyle and lack of motivation.  I also spend an exorbitant amount of time enjoying loving relationships with my children and grandchildren. Not to mention the time wasted making friends and meeting people.

        In my opinion, I am ridiculously wealthy, but I guess some only consider wealth in terms of fictitious currency. Not worth the linen it is printed on.  Spending one's life pursuing decimal points seems somewhat ridiculous to me, but yet again I am just a lazy po soul.  But, I am a po soul that does not accept a dime in handouts from the government.

        1. Quilligrapher profile image91
          Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          RB,

          May you always enjoy the blessing of your progeny and make time to follow your bliss.
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    4. John Holden profile image59
      John Holdenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think that nobody should be wealthy, I think everybody should be wealthy.

    5. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, and if we have to live in a socialist society that answers the decrying of impoverished individuals the least we could do is establish some deathsquads to roll out the firing lines for all the people who told their children, their flesh and blood, to settle for the crumbs.

  2. janesix profile image61
    janesixposted 4 years ago

    It's sad that you think success in life is being wealthy.

    1. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No it is NOT sad at all but smart! Weath does = success.  Wealth affords one to live the life he/she chooses without worry where the next meal will come from or if he/she will have a roof over one's head.  Wealth is the difference between choice and accepting what others hand out to you.  People who are wealthy OWN their lives while the nonwealthy are OWNED.

      1. janesix profile image61
        janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I am sorry you're stuck in the lowest chakra. It's not your fault.

    2. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Success in life is measured in wealth- humans have only spent the last two hundred thousand years figuring that one out. If people did not believe that wealth mattered then money would be worthless.

      1. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Concur, money IS.

  3. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    I would guess you have never been to a bad school in a worse neighborhood.  The meritocracy is a myth.

    1. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The schools are the way they are because of low parental involvement with their child's education.  Poor parents expect teachers to do EVERYTHING for their children.  It is the mantra of poor parents that the teachers assume quasiparental roles for their children.  Poor parents are extremely passive regarding their children in general.  No one to blame but them.

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        Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Those who need help deserve it. However, as a teacher, I'm tired of seeing some parents ask for free services. . . when they do not need them.  I'm tired of seeing some parents try to get their child erroneously diagnosed with a disability, so they can garner public assistance and sit at home.  I believe we need a safety net, not a net to support a lifestyle of laziness and entitlement by some.

        1. gmwilliams profile image82
          gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          WELL SAID, +1,000,000,000,000,000,000 !

        2. andrew savage profile image59
          andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I think that such a safety net would look like a public sector in competition with the private sector- a public sector that raised money from producing goods rather than making up IOUs, deficits, taxes etcetera. Taxes would be virtually non-existent if the government actually produced anything other than more knots for the free market and unconstitutional laws.

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            Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            We can agree on that.  +1

    2. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I went to a couple ghetto schools when I was a kid because I moved around a lot- every ghetto/impoverished school that I attended had very low testing standards. I performed much better in the ghetto because it was easier to learn less information. The problem with the ghettos of America is not that they lack funding, but that they suffer from the same problems of all academies plus the possibility that there are a lot of broken families in and around the ghettos of the US. Having a broken family increases the likelihood that the children will not value education as much as a well structured and well networked family. Families in America need to wake up- all too many are asleep at the wheel tonight. If families diversified their occupations, lived closer together, practiced sound economics and taught the children good studying habits, this nation would remain on top.

  4. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    Wealth is success if your goal was wealth.  People are diverse.

    1. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What is another measure of wealth?

    2. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What is another measure of wealth?

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      So good.

  5. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    Income redistribution is real.
    The  middle class is more or less decimated.
    So people who used to work hard and their entire industry disappeared (e.g., manufacturing) are lazy?
    When was the last time you got laid off because of budget cuts, never got a
    callback and found you had to retrain to a completely different line of work in order
    to feed your kids? Or to have been 50 when the economy tanked and planning
    to stay with your company through retirement. Now here you are, with your 401(k) cashed out and competing with high school kids for a job as a barista.

    How nice that you have the luxury of choosing between $60K and putting your feet
    up and $120K and being owned by the company.
    Do you have any concept of how it feels to be owned by the company for $10 an hour and
    no benefits? Or working three such jobs?
    If you believe that situation is laziness and entitlement on the part of the employee,
    take a look at this:
    http://useconomy.about.com/od/suppl1/a/ … nequal.htm

    1. Credence2 profile image86
      Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hi, Mighty mom in that hypothetical I presented as an example, yes, I have worked those kinds of jobs and, yes, it sucked 30 years ago and must suck even more now. There seems to have been more opportunity in the past when the private sector was not quite as greedy or desperate. My point is that there are people that choose to stay on public relief, here in Hawaii, the safety net is a hammock, with one of the most generous social safety nets among the 50 states. I acknowledge that we are under tremendous pressure in the economy as folks are having it difficult. But, laziness is terminal and in good times or bad, then or now, such individuals will always have problems in life. I read the link, I am talking about people who work hard only to get taken advantage of, these people are NOT lazy as they struggle to provide for themselves and family.

    2. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Unemployed people are lazy- that is why they do not have jobs and the reason they fail to assemble with one another to change their circumstances.

      1. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Preach on, my brother!  Preach, preach it!  Nice to meet a fellow, savvy New Yorker with balls. Totally agree. People are so busy making excuses for their dire socioeconomic conditions. If ONE wants something, WORK for it! Simple but this fact is SO IGNORED by so many people!

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          Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Stereotype much?

          1. andrew savage profile image59
            andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Depends on the nature of the ideological group I am stereotyping.

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              Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I guess the world is lucky to have you categorize us all or how would we know our worth?

              1. andrew savage profile image59
                andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Good, I'm glad we agreed on the status of your place in society. Thanks for understanding and not blaming anyone but yourself.

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                  Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't blame anyone for anything. I have a hard time comprehending your perspective. I think I am better off.

      2. Disappearinghead profile image85
        Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        OK so let's say you work for a highly successful company. You are middle class, own your own home (well mortgaged up to the hilt perhaps), have 2 cars, 2.3 kids and a dog. Everything you own is on finance or credit card perhaps because you simply had to have the new BMW with all the toys, the 50 inch flat screen telly, the iThings, and the full height double door fridge with integrated ice maker.

        One day the company board decides to refocus on shareholder value. Not withstanding the company is turning healthy profits, oh no, but the board desire to increase the value of the shares via generating a larger dividend for the shareholders. The way to this this by cutting costs, i.e. the workforce.  Your programme is cut. Your business unit is restructured. You get made redundant with no enhancement over statutory requirements for a payout.

        Now what are you going to do? Your company was located in a high unemployment area or was unique in that of all the local companies it was the only one that operated in that particular industry. You are highly skilled but nobody else requires your skills where you live. You could try transferring to another industry, but why should they hire you with your lack of experience? You could retrain, but how are you going to pay for it? Even once you have retrained, why should the company take you on when they can get a university graduate with better qualifications than you for half the salary? How about relocating? Well the problem is, where there's work, the cost of housing is astronomically high, and your house is in a low cost area. Do you really want to have to take out another 30 year mortgage all over again for a smaller house and still have to keep repaying long into retirement? Do you really want to upticks away from your family and supporting networks?

        So you decide to stay and take a considerably lower paid job and your career has moved backwards by 15 years. You are older than your new colleagues and have less experience, so if your new company wants to increase shareholder value, you are at considerably more risk than your new chums.

        Your new job no longer covers the bills and little Jonny can't go to summer camp. Little Katie has to give up her ballet lessons. You don't want to accept state benefits because of your 'American Dream' principles, so your wife now has to go out to work. But she has been a stay at home mum for years and so doesn't have the necessary experience to get a well paid job, so has to take up a minimum wage position.

        Your life is now a miserable shadow of what it once was. Kids are bored, can't go on holiday anymore, little disposable income, and the home is now full of stress and tension. You constantly argue about money and the divvying up of household chores.

        But hey you are not a lazy unemployed person so you can still feel good about yourself.

        1. andrew savage profile image59
          andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I see a lot of what ifs and never can be's in your response. First off, I can never be the guy that puts his whole life on credit.
          I can never be the guy who works for one company.
          I can never invest so much into something that I have researched so little into.

          I guess that makes me a libertarian, at least at the level of the psyche/soul.

          The economy is not all that bad people- think about this:
          The middle class may be stagnating in our homeland, but it is taking off in the rest of the world. Maybe we need some more college science majors back home before we forget how those iPhones and other miracles work.

          1. Disappearinghead profile image85
            Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What I described is a very real situation for thousands of people. A common situation where people are at the mercy of the whims of their full time employer.

            Nice that you cannot empathise with someone els's situation and only feel superior to others less fortunate than yourself.

    3. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think that income distribution is effective when its responsibility is given submissively to the state via taxes- the day that the government begins zeroing out unemployment and generating its own capital growth while lowering taxes, is the day that I may change my mind.

    4. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Those people who lost their jobs are mostly the people who grew up their entire lives saying "I want to be like dad when I grow up." This coincidentally happens to be the same slogan of everyone that can't see five years in front of their face. If you did not see the economic crash coming five years before it happened you are probably missing some chromosomes and need to be sterilized immediately for the safety of the public.
      Public school counselors throughout most cities throughout the US had been talking about how this was going to happen if more Americans did not start businesses, go to college for science degrees, invest in capital, etcetera.

      1. janesix profile image61
        janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Why can't you be a descent human being? Choose to be a better person.

        1. andrew savage profile image59
          andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Why can't poor people choose to be more productive and save their money?
          Maybe it is in the nature of such people to act in such ways.

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            And what money do they save?

            The money that they don't spend on food and rent?

          2. Uninvited Writer profile image80
            Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You must be joking. I don't consider myself to be poor but I can't save any money once I pay for rent, Internet, transportation and food.

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              Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              +1

            2. andrew savage profile image59
              andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              that sounds like poverty to me. What happens to you when you break down? Do you simply use the public sector as a cane or do you use a portion of your savings until recovery?

              1. Zelkiiro profile image86
                Zelkiiroposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You must be both blind and illiterate, because he just said that he doesn't have any extra cash to save.

      2. Zelkiiro profile image86
        Zelkiiroposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Are you seriously criticizing poor people for not being clairvoyants? Really? Really?

        http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll145/Zelkiiro/Forum%20Junk/IncomprehensibleClean.png

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          Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It seems a little savage.

        2. andrew savage profile image59
          andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          If I am criticizing poor people it has little to do with an absence of superhuman powers, and has much to do with their general absence of common sense, goal orientation, and an ability to understand basic economic systems. A lot of people predicted the financial collapse, yet not too many people did anything about it. And the ones who have zero understanding of how the system works took a beating for their lack of a capacity to want to know the nature of such things. It is the same group of people who always call for a sacrificial lamb before the collective altar everytime something goes awry.

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            Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Are you compensating with these ridiculous statements? I sincerely hope you're as wealthy as your swagger implies, other wise you have a lot of 'splaining to do.

            1. andrew savage profile image59
              andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I am not claiming to be monetarily wealthy, however I make a little bit more than 40k per year, which is enough to keep me happy as a single man with no dependents.

              What really grinds my gears is that a portion of my money goes to a black abyss referred to as social programs that do not generate enough productive jobs for people at the poverty level who refuse to even use their food stamps and stipends to solely purchase local (US) goods.

              This brings up another point of mine. We need to keep our gold and other precious metals in our ship, even if that means throwing out 12 million undocumented (ORWELLIAN SPEAK for illegal/unlawful) aliens. Such individuals serve as open cuts to a closed loop system of cash flow within every local economy infected by the scourge of poverty and unlawful migrants.

              1. gmwilliams profile image82
                gmwilliamsposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                CORRECT you are again!

      3. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!

  6. wildove5 profile image59
    wildove5posted 4 years ago

    Well,,, I can see why you call yourself "mighty mom."   I know a lot of people who have been knocked down and kicked in the teeth by big corporations.  In most cases their employers are relocating out of this country or replacing them in order to pay lower wages and eliminate costly heath insurance costs.  One particular friend worked for her company for twenty-nine years,  she was given a nice severance package and lead out of the building by a security officer before even being allowed to clear her office of her personal belongings.  She was informed that her personal effects would be boxed and returned to her at a later date to be determined by her employer.  Unfortunately she has never worked anywhere else.  All the skills she has she acquired during her employment with this company.  So now she has to reinvent herself in a job market with very little to nothing to offer.  Sure she could go back to school at 45, but then who watches the kids after school, and what about income and health insurance.  I think it's easy to say that there are a lot of people in our society who whine about the rich getting richer and the poor sucking money out of our pockets.  But the truth is, the majority of us are hard working decent people.  We grew up in a time where you could learn a trade on the job and make a good living at it.  Now you need a degree or license to wash toilets.  Even landscapers in my state now need to have a certification.  Gone are the days when you could mow grass for the neighbors and make a decent wage.   I guess the point I'm trying to make is, not everyone chooses to be poor or has no desire to change their situations other than to whine.  I myself work two jobs.  One job just doesn't pay the bills anymore.  I own a barber shop and I work as a waitress, I'm also 48 years old.  Iv'e worked since I was 15 years old.  The most jobs I have had at once was four, while I attended school and had an 8 year old daughter.  Oh, and I don't have health insurance because if I did I wouldn't be able to afford my car or apartment.  I don't whine about my situation either, I may not have a lot of money or even enough at times, but I will tell you, I am rich!!!  I have a loving boyfriend, a beautiful daughter, an adorable grandson and family and friends whom I love to bits!   So if thats negative thinking and the reasons why my pockets aren't fuller than my heart, then I am positively nuts!!!!!!

    1. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      She was probably lead out of work by a security guard because she was crazy.
      Sorry to hear about your plight. Did you ever think about going to school as a science major?
      Are you sure right now is a good time to be reproducing? They make birth control...
      Is it too late for you to have an abortion?
      You should try raising a dog for a while, and then see if child bearing is something that you are ready for.

  7. RachaelLefler profile image89
    RachaelLeflerposted 4 years ago

    Look, people who don't actually know what it's like to be poor shouldn't be going around telling poor people what to think about it, imho.

    1. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      We do it all the time- we call it public education.

      1. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        +1,000,000,000,000,000,000-HELL, THEY need to be told as THEY'VE got it ALL WRONG!

      2. Credence2 profile image86
        Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Andrew, are you not being a bit harsh? Millions of Americans were caught with there britches down at the start of the great recession. While they all were too trusting, they were not dumb. The economy is deevolving. The cost of living has risen substantially with no comparable increase in wages. I, too, could live on next to nothing if I were single. The vast majority have little disposable income when necessities are paid for, welcome to our new economic model.
        Andrew, you need to read this to get an understanding of what all those Horatio Alger concepts get you in this day and age...

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneywisewo … e-percent/

    2. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      People who do not know what it is like to be rich should not be the ones telling rich people what to do with their money.

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        Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You're a trip.

      2. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        +1,000,000,000,000,000,000 in agreement.

  8. RachaelLefler profile image89
    RachaelLeflerposted 4 years ago

    And there are a lot of problems with our educational systems, wage guarantees, unions being speared, and prices being unreasonably inflated, all of which contribute to good people's inability to rise above poverty despite hard work. I know that it's easier for people with wealth to think they deserve it for being better people, but luck and circumstance have a lot more to do with it.

    1. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

      I imagine it helps very many people sleep to imagine that the millions starving around them do so through their own fault however false that is.

      1. andrew savage profile image59
        andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Who said that you can have that many +1s? Who gave them to you?

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I know right? I think I got overexcited tongue

    2. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If you want your child to continue having a Free education, then it is about time to stand up and attend a PTA meeting.

      It you don't take it seriously, this whole ship is going to sink because the world is catching up to US and some of them do not look happy.

      1. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        People have to took responsibility.  To reiterate, the reason why many inner city schools are the way THEY ARE is because inner city parents DON'T participate and/or active in their children's education. They feel that the TEACHERS SHOULD DO EVERYTHING while THEY DO NOTHING!  Sorry, it DOES NOT work THAT WAY!

        1. andrew savage profile image59
          andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I think that some parents actually expect the teachers employed by the state to be babysitters and their moral crusaders.

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            Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I am a teacher, and this statement has a lot of truth to it.  The fact is that it also happens in other regions, not just big cities.  We hear parents say things like, "I never knew my child couldn't read.  Why didn't the teacher catch this earlier?"  A teacher should have caught the problem earlier, but then again, shouldn't the parent be reading with his/her child enough to know there is a problem? 

            There are good and bad teachers.  There are good and bad parents.  Teachers have a lot of influence on children.  Parents have more influence on their children than teachers have.  The onus of responsibility lies with parents.  While many, many of our educational problems can be directly attributed to our system and educators, I feel that our educational failures simply mirror a cancerous apathy so many parents seem to possess.  It's pretty hard to motivate children who have little to no support at home.  It's pretty hard to motivate children if their parents openly berate the system or even the teacher.  It's pretty hard to motivate children if their parents won't get them to school.  It's pretty hard to motivate children if they have a parent who is drugged out and sitting on the couch all day. 

            Most parents are supportive and helpful.  Still, if several students in every class don't get this support, how much extra time and how many extra resources do you think we direct towards those needy children?  Most teachers direct a lot of effort towards ALL children, and the extra attention these poor children require takes away from the majority.  These children deserve a chance too, but it results in lower standards for the class.  It results in a lesser education for all.  Yes, parental apathy is a problem.

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          Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Did it not occur to you that "middle class parents" might have completely different opportunities than parents in an inner city school? In a middle class situation sometimes only one parent works, or their job allows for time off. They have hour long lunches and more flexible hours. Try telling the boss of someone who punches a clock that they need to take an hour or so off to attend a PTA meeting. I typically make in one day what my husband makes in one hour... yet my job is the one in danger if I show up 5 min. late or request time off. There is no wiggle room. I work incredibly hard. My boss told me today that I was the best supervisor he has ever seen. He said my scores are the highest, that I do a fantastic job and he hears nothing but positive feedback about me from everyone. That news meant so much to me. The funny thing is, if I were to ask for a raise, I wouldn't be eligible. I am capped out. I can't get a raise without getting his job. I feel good about what I do, I contribute to my family and to my employers. I sleep at night knowing I'm doing the best I can and I'm doing all that I can. Life is not about money, it's about relationships. You take ppl's dignity when you make these kinds of broad sweeping statements. Saying that all poor ppl are lazy is no better than calling women weak or special needs ppl worthless. This is a very negative stereotype.

          1. andrew savage profile image59
            andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            ...Most PTA meetings are at night when most people are out of school and out of work.
            I don't see the relevance of your case.

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              Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Then you are most likely not a working parent. When you punch a clock, you normally set your availability as "open". This will help you land the job when 10 other ppl want it. Unfortunately, you then have to follow up by serving those hours. I am available from 6 am to midnight. My most common hours served are 12:30-9 pm.

              1. andrew savage profile image59
                andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Sounds like you should not be a parent if you are incapable of attending such scholastic functions that will provide valuable feedback and awareness of the school that your child attends.
                All the more reason to enforce a parental licensing program.

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                  Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  lol. Ill let my kids know Im gonna have to give them up.
                  One is 25, she is a teacher, an artist and a musician. She blew out her knee and moved home to do therapy on it till it heals... she helps me with the kids when her dad or I can't be here.
                  My son is 22, he is a college student and the hardest worker I know. He's getting married to a wonderful girl, an interior designer, in a month. My 14 year old is the nicest person Ive ever met. He is an avid reader and just exploded out his comfort zone to play 3 sports this year. My youngest is phenomenally talented and amazing in every way... I wont even begin to tell you her story.

                  Mr. Savage, give life a few years then get back to me when you've got some life experience under your belt. I'm sure you'll suss it out eventually.

                  1. andrew savage profile image59
                    andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow, what a surprise. It is relieving to know that your kids are not on the streets smoking crack because you missed those PTA meetings.

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    Education Answerposted 4 years ago

    I feel like it's the middle class that took it on the chin under the POTUS.  Poor people don't have it great either, but they have a safety net, one that the middle class pays for.  The rich are still rich.  What happened to the POTUS looking out for the average person?  It's just my opinion.  I am not better off now than I was four years ago.  I actually net less money, and I am in the middle class.

    1. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      They did take it on the chin- they even scrapped their knees in the process. And taxing anyone anymore right now is only going to make it harder for the private sector in America to generate capital and wages.

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        Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        We agree on this too.

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    BlackFeelposted 4 years ago

    THANX MAN

  11. Zelkiiro profile image86
    Zelkiiroposted 4 years ago

    The average CEO makes 380x what his average worker makes. Are you really that daft that you think a CEO works 380x as much as his stressed-out secretary?

    1. andrew savage profile image59
      andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Who's gets to tell you what to do with your own enterprise? I'm sure all of those CEOs skipped out on class and slept in on the weekends when they heard opportunity knocking.

      Remember the phrase: the early bird gets the worm. Well it is true, unless of course a collective gang of birds assemble and rob the early bird of his worms after he took action in his life to live prosperously.

      If you wake up late in America, you have work harder to catch up. Lastly, not all CEOs are all that bad, a lot of them actually provide the workforce with wages. If you don't like the wages, find a better job or start a business. Don't blame Uncle Sam, and do not blame your neighbor.

  12. andrew savage profile image59
    andrew savageposted 4 years ago

    Truth be told, I feel sympathy and empathize with the under priveliged and impoverished. I feel that taxes only make such things worse when the government does not produce goods to compete with the private sector- the way a mixed economy is supposed to function.

    All too many people have gone broke, but taxing anything at this point is not going to solve anything when federal agencies are purchasing goods from foreign enterprises in China- or anywhere else outside the homeland for that matter. It seems almost illegal to watch taxes pay for products that do not stimulate local economies when the demand for goods and services at home are asking for better quality.

  13. andrew savage profile image59
    andrew savageposted 4 years ago

    I think people are able to build character whenever and where ever they start off. I also think that money is how we measure our success- perhaps the system needs to reflect more of this.

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Indeed! People can build character. I got married when I was 17 years old. I was not pregnant, I simply fell in love with my high school sweetheart. I helped my husband get through college while staying home to raise the kids. I have been a stay at home mom and a working mom. I have had a modicum of wealth and been poor. I live comfortably now, but I do live paycheck to paycheck. I have known those that were ridiculously wealthy and those that were dirt poor. I have known the very famous and the unknowns. I can tell you 9 times out of 10 I was more impressed with those who struggled to pay the rent. For instance, I know a grandmother who is raising 4 of her grandchildren because her daughter is an absentee mom. She lives in the projects and far outshines the rich and famous that I know when it comes to character. Money is a tool, it is not a scale.

  14. andrew savage profile image59
    andrew savageposted 4 years ago

    Also, I don't think that God thinks that we have proven ourselves worth much if we still have terrorism in a globalizing world. Perhaps we are not there yet.

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Try telling a mother, holding her newborn child in her arms that we are not worth much because terrorism exists in the world... but I would agree that we are not there yet, if you mean that humanity has a long way to go to improve.

      1. andrew savage profile image59
        andrew savageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "We are not worth much if terrorism continues to exist in the world." Go ahead and tell every mother carrying a newborn you come across that I said so. This planet is a sandbox, a microscopic pebble in comparison to the rest of the universe, and yet mothers and fathers remain puzzled on how to prevent little Tony from shoving little Franklin's head in the sand every morning.

        War when fought purely for selfish ends or interests is incapable of ever being won.

 
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