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It is apparent Iran is determined to arm herself with nuclear weapon. They are not ready for dialogue-as evident in the recent misile test. Should the military option be adopted? should Israel attack Iran?
please post information regarding iran's "recent misile test" along with any information you have regarding any recent misile tests that the u.s. or any other country on this planet might be actively involved in.
Thats up to the Israelies. But I do like how you couched the question. "Should Israel attack Iran?" In my opinion yes. The Iranians don't have the capability to reach U.S. Soil with their weapons(millitarily that is). As an American I would say we have no say in this matter. However Israel and a host of other countries(with in 1200 miles of any Iranian border) should consider an attack. Israel is probably at a higher risk than the other countries surounding Iran. The only country I think is at greater risk is Iran itself(accidental nuclear exposure). Every country that has utilized nuclear energy has experienced accidents. 3 mile island, cheyrnoble, etc. If a major industrialized nation can screw it up, just think what a country with one foot still in the third world can do!
just the talk alone scares me...because it could escalate into action...action that could begin a war unlike any other we have ever known. scary...i don't even like watching the news about it but of course you have to or how else will you know what's going on
I hear you loud and clear - we are on the fringes of the Middle East here and it is all a little concerning. Hopefully, nobody will do anything stupid
i know, right? i had a horrible nightmare once after reading "Warday". at the time i had a very high fever, so i had trouble waking up from the dream, and in the dream, nuclear war was coming and i was tyring to get to my son's room before the blast hit and just as i touched the doorknob everything went white. i woke up screaming from that one...
The simple truth is that in the event of war outside of Nuclear exchange the United States can not defeat Iran in conflict.They have a million man reserve infantry force, and any internal fractures within their government and population will quickly evaporate in the face of a foreign invasion. We are already stretched near to the breaking point in Iraq and Afghanistan and there we are facing a rag tag bunch of guerrillas. Against a toughened and resilient foe on his home territory we would face a blood bath. I increasingly grow tired of those who push for a war they themselves will not have to fight or die in.
Good point, Scott - the Iranians have a long and proud history and will not roll over. In addition, aggression will drive moderates straight into the arms of the fundamentalists.
Greeks and Iranians have a great deal of mutual respect for each other, and the Greeks have been at the forefront of trying to use diplomacy. Sadly, the talks stalled some time ago - it looks like we will have a new government here in the next couple of weeks, so there might be a fresh attempt.
It is a difficult problem.
cosette - that sounds like it was a horrible experience.
thank goodness it was only a dream Sufi. a horrible dream that could become reality if we are not careful
also, how do you fight nukes? with nukes...i wouldn't want to be the nation to use that kind of power against another. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were happenings we don't ever want to repeat.
I know what you mean - I remember watching that Holocaust film as a kid...I forget the name - it had Jason Robards in it...and had nightmares for weeks.
Not sure how to fight nukes - the threat of mutually assured destruction seems to be the only way. Hopefully, wiser heads than mine will figure that out - I have a few friends in Israel and do not want to look in that direction and see a mushroom cloud on the horizon
I believe you are talking about "Holocaust" maybe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_ … iseries%29 Maybe not no Jason Robards
Cheers for that, Tex - I could have Wikied, but it is very late here
Long time ago since I saw it.
EDIT: Not that one - The Day After: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085404/
Don't know if you saw that one
In fact Israel should be threatened with sanctions and loss of all support if they do a preemptive strike on Iran.
What is apparent to me is that Iran is determined to be heard about their desires and wants to be a part of the global geopolitical community.
Israel is very concerned and I would be too if I were them. Their determination to carry out their agendas despite calls from the west to stop the settlements and seriously begin talks of peace with the Palestinians is adding fuel to the fire.
Ahmedinejad is a tyrant and should be taken seriously no matter if we agree with his views or his agenda.
We need to talk with him with no preconditions as that will hamper the time factor of getting this thing to a peaceful end. I did not say we should give him everything he wants but a conversation would be a step in the right direction.
We must all know that the problem is not from Ahmedinejad. The real ruler of Iran must be brought to the table if any meaningful progress is to be achieved. The man you call the president seem to me as a secretary of state. He only delivers the message of what have been decided at home. small wonder, they usually avoid dialogue.
Did it work in VietNam? Or Afganistan? Or Iraq? Or the Religious forums?
Have the US Not lost Enough Sons and Daughters so far?
The Commercial Value of Iran... Will ultimately decide whether or not the movers and shakers choose a military 'solution'
I don't know but I fear no man's life, liberty, or property is safe while our congress is in session talking about this one.
Yes, they are a terrorist nation. Their President was one of the terrorists that took over our embasy several years ago. We should bomb them back into the stoneage.
Our very existence is in the hands of leaders of the "Nuclear Nations" What Nation is really, truly stable and responsible enough to posses the power to destroy the earth.
Consider the hatred and anger between the political parties here.
It is a chilling and horrific thought.
In a word, no. It would alienate the large and growing number of Western-leaning Iranians who will, in time, reclaim their own country from the regime.
Now that would be a true Blessing bravo Paraglider!
Any thing that helps destroy the millitary apparatus of this regime will be welcomed by the western leaning Iranians. Their only issue will be with the people (Israelie's) doing it. Alienate them? No. They more than likely felt alienated when no one came to their aid after the most recent elections. I do believe your correct in the idea that Iran may experience a change from with in. It would be a great thing, however no middle eastern country has been willing to pay that price so far.
I agree, the people in Iran have already suffered enough under the current regime, and most are peaceful intelligent loving families.
The last thing we should be thinking about a war in Iran! !
I think Israel might have to do the dirty work and stop Iran, I don't see anyone else who is willing to do so and Israel has to for its own sake. If Israel does, I don't think that Obama will do anything to help her. Obama sympathizes with the Muslims in my opinion because of his early history.
If Obama sympathizes with the Muslims why haven't we cut off the 3 billion dollars in aid to Israel?
Because then we would lose our "say so" to a certain degree. Obama's sympathies don't matter as much here.
Is your assumption that I am a sympathizer and therefore not relevent to the argument?
No. My comment was addressed to your question of "why haven't we cut off the 3 billion dollars in aid to Israel?" Because our financial aid always gives us some influence.
What say so are you referring too? The influence to stop the setllement expansion? I think you have the cart before the horse here Madame. We have not cut off the funding to Israel because of the jewish lobby in Chicago and DC. This regime of Netenyahu's is a circus and the double speak coming out of his mouth is hilarious. What is more hilarious is that you bought it.
They're also our main ally in the middle east. That might have something to do with it.
If they are our main ally in the middle east why is it that they were caught and are still spying on us? This seem to be an uneasy type of arrangement. We give them money, arms, technical training for the arms they get and they repay us by spying on us. Try watching this and let me know what you think of our buddies the Israelis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo
If anyone has not watched this short video yet they should.
I Just re-watched this Video...I am venturing to guess that Due to Russia’s' interest in Iran’s Natural Gas, and Putins desire to control the Gas lines into Europe, that sanctions against Iran will be difficult at best. Unless Ahmedinejad screws Putin and makes him mad by dealing with the US from internal pressures.
I feel sure it will not happen because Iran needs the Nuclear Technology, and if that plays out? Then Israel is left affronted by Obamas comments about settlements, and will be open to its free interpretation of Iran’s use of its missiles. And its use of the Technology.
Thus Isreal could, (feeling alone) could make a wild card decision, get trigger happy, and attack. If Isreal does, I would say the US Navy in the Gulf would be immediately engaged and we would have no choices, like Israeli sanctions etc…
All I see so far is Obama, pissing-off both sides, claiming neutral but being direct to both saying it is time to let go of the past! and He seems to me, very ambiguous in his speeches? And in His comments.
To me, the Arab and Jewish Personality can not relate to that, the past to them is Life. And the Palestineans deal like business men; (Whats in it for me?)
So who is really advising Obama on all this? We seem so out of touch with the core of this problem?
I feel Obama is way to eclectic on this. Countries need to know firmly and honestly where we really stand. And I personaly give Bush credit on that, he did make it obvious to The Middle East what they would deal with, making them think about it some. Now...who the hell knows?
We are to much middle grounded, and thats not Good for any one. In my un-qualified opinion that is!
A little financial aid gives 'us' some influence. Too much merely gives Israel autonomy, so they can commit war crimes in Gaza with impunity.
I am sure it's on his to-do list, he's only been president for 9 months, give him some time. However, he will have a fight on his hands from the lobbyists. Israel does get that aid but they are required to spend 3/4 of that money on military materiel that they buy from our companies.
I think Obama is doing great staying 'objective' and not getting 'emotional'.
It would certainly be good if Israel unleashed itself! Jordan,Saudi Arabia would feign anger while secretly thanking them!
I don't think its in our hands anymore. Iran is continuing to pressure the USA on all sides along with North Korea. Given a few more years they will start the war with us and not us with them and it will be much worse off and devastating.
I think I saw holocaust, too, but I was a little older then. Good series
Iran is facing it's worst drought in years. They are becoming more and more dependent on foreign grain. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/864801.stm I would guess that the leadership is trying to build leverage for political survival. Perhaps they believe that being "Nuclear" will sort of even the odds at bargaining tables.
Iran has witnessed the babel of diplomacy during genocide around the globe.....especially on the African continent.
Why would they trust the so called Super Power Oil Junkie Nations in any diplomatic treaty?
It is time for the world to bring work together for peace and prosperity to the table instead of war threats from the biggy boys.
Likely to backfire badly. Besides, you don't have enough money for the wars you fight already in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Is it better we leave Iran to go ahead with the Nuke if they do not comply with dialogue?
Who said anything about occupying the country. We just need to send over a couple of carrier battlegroups and we can level their entire nuclear infrastructure.
No, I'm pretty sure it can be done. The Iranian Air Force is a joke and it's not like the Russians have been supplying them with state of the art air defense systems. I'm very concerned about religious fundamentalists getting their hands on atomic weapons. It was bad enough when the Soviets and the West developed them.
I think I feel more comfortable with NK or Pakistan having the bomb. Iran is just too crazy, it's not just Islam either, their brand of craziness goes all the way back to Persia.
Iran agreed in talks with the United States and other major
powers to open its newly revealed uranium enrichment plant
near Qum to international inspection and to send most of its
openly declared enriched uranium to Russia to be turned into
fuel, senior American and other Western officials said.
This is an illustration that united diplomacy backed by power can solve problems without military action.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world … amp;emc=na
That's great! Iran and NK can have a good ol' chuckle together!
Why do you need to do that? Is it because Iran is a bad country?
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