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Does one have the right to changer his or her gender?
Most definitely, God determines what gender you will be. Even if you are an atheist, you have to admit that something made you a man or a woman, with male or female parts. Is it up to you to decide you can be whatever you want to be? Is society always correct?
If feelings more important than parts why mess with parts at all?If you feel like the opposite gender,behaving like the opposite gender should fulfill your needs right?You don't need breasts to"feel"like a woman,ask any mastectomy survivor
gender is every kind of "construct". Not just social, biological, emotional, spiritual, psychological....and etc... and the fact that u say it is a social construct, means that people define ur gender and not just U. So even if u change, ur still U.
Your DNA and genetic code made your body what it is when you were born. Be it blonde hair/blue eyes or male/female reproductive parts. Your hormones control your "sexual" feelings. DNA also controls your hormones. Now, since your DNA is subject to all kinds of mutations and defects, what difference does it make if you correct some of it to suit your personality and hormonal drive? If you want to be a blonde - be one! If you want bigger breasts - get them! If you want to be a different gender, why is it anyone's business but your own? Why would you or anyone want to control another person's life - even all the way down to their PRIVATE sex life? It just isn't for you to judge. Why do you even want to? Why can't you just live YOUR life as a good, decent human being without trying to control what people do with their bodies? If you don't want to associate with people that think differently than you do - JUST SAY NO!
Here is the problem with all that, God made you and if you change any part of what he created then you change the course of history in doing so.Even though we all have a CHOICE going against what the creator intended could have serious affects on you
People still harp about their gods plan! It's the most horrible plan in the universe. Children dying of poverty, starvation, cancer, car wrecks, everything else. Oh wait. Demons that god can't control are responsible for that plan!
It is a LOT like "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers" and those of us who try to sound the alarm are thought of as crazy. Truth does not change. It is eternal. Kenyan-born Obama IS The Antichrist & this goofy Jesuit pope is his False Prophet. John 3
Well sure, as an atheist I'm aware that gender is determined on a genetic level...
I don't really see what society has to do with individuals making choices about their bodies either, just that I'm amused that when something doesn't fit the norm people suddenly become non conformist.
Yeah I have to cry when I consider how that baker in Colorado's life was interfered with by a militant homosexual with an axe to grind. Same-sex marriages can NEVER be consummated so they will forever and always remain mere civil-unions.
Legally failure to consummate cannot be used as grounds for divorce or annulment of a so-called "same-sex marriage" hence they are only civil-unions called marriages to get the homosexual-militants to shut-up about it.
So non reproductive couples shouldn't get married then Kevin? Older couples? People who don't want children? Infertile couples? Consummation is the act of sexual intercourse - homosexuals can have sex + do = therefore marriage consummated.
Let me get this straight, Kevin, you don't think gay people have sex? Then what's to get bent out of shape over what they do or don't do if their relationships are non-sexual? Do you also have a problem with asexual people getting married?
Kyly, The Sgt. attended the same sex education classes as former Prez Bill Clinton.There's ONE official, approved sex & then "other" sex, that doesn't really qualify as sex "I did not have sex w/ that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Wake up Kyly!
Paula, and where do we find those sex education classes Slick Willie took? I know, those are reserved for Rhodes scholars, or maybe, quite likely, Hiliary, his lying 101 tutor, herself taught them. "Billie dear when they ask you say this..."
I understand when Hillary loses the election, she will sell franchises 4 her "Sex R Us" clinics across the country. The staff of teachers & trainers R Clinton Cronies. Find an app. at VASTwhitwingconspiracy@LiarLiar.edu
LOL, oh btw i researched it, Hiliary couldn't have tutored Willie on lying, she flunked Lying 102, How To Lie and Get Away With It. (So nice to not have to squeeze into 250 characters which seems to really be 245)
I despise the sight of bill,yet I find that I stare at his face, trying like hell to see just a hint of shame, guilt or remorse 4 ALL his sexual misconduct..But no...nothing except sly, snide, elitist bravado, smiling face & lying eyes. Puke.
So Alan how exactly is it you came to the conclusion I seem to know a lot about it? Personal experience or just gay-porn? FYI: man-gravy is the Forbidden Fruit & same-sex marriage is the abomination of desolation.
If a person identifies as a different gender, they are free to express it.
It gets tricky when you try to define what gender really is. There are two ways to determine the sex of an individual: look at their genitals, or look at their chromosomes.
But the interesting thing is, the answers you can get from one, can conflict with the other.
What we perceive as "females" tend to born with two X chromosomes, and males an X and a Y. However, chromosomal females HAVE been born with a penis! And chromosomal males have been born with vaginas!
In these cases, their physical appearance can indicate one gender, but their genetics indicate another. This can lead to a genetic male born with a vagina to have all the characteristics that we perceive as feminine, but feel masculine because of their genetic blueprints.
So, how do you know if transgenders are really changing their gender? They are probably just following what their genes want them to do.
And chromosomes don't necessarily label one a male or female - '2 x's = female' - err, what about XXY - usually identify as male (usually, not always). Or those who are Intersex - have both external genitalia. I like your answer this
The purpose of my post was to point out how ambiguous the concept of gender can be. It can be hard to truly define what gender is, as some people can have both sexual organs (as you pointed out) and some can have uncommon chromosome patterns (XXY).
Lolita..1st, it's "LISA" not LMC.Ur comment is ignorant. I had 4 kids, then a Hysterectomy. Did I go from a woman to "NOTHING?" No one will ever accuse U of having "a way w/ words!" U might apologize. & EDIT UR Title to drop the "r" from "change.
Flabergasted, Lolita Monroe, you must be a man to make such a stupid remark. Should have guested it earlier by the pseudonym you choose, macho men's wet dream. As talking about gender change, on the internet you can be any gender you want to be.
Ah yes, I know the most defining aspect of my womanhood is my pelvic bone. That really has a significant effect on how I'm perceived by society and live my life. Not the brain. Not the soul. The pelvic bone. Brilliant analysis!
My my, however would we WOMEN know anything about our own bodies, if not for Sgt's Anatomy 101 course?! Really Kevin? Ur struggle to come off as being so knowledgeable about so much, has merely resulted in displaying your gross ignorance. Congrats!
If someone gives you something (it's yours to do with as you please). That goes for changing the color of your hair, breast augmentation, nose job, or even gender transition. Life is a (personal) journey! I don't think being religious or atheist has any bearing on how on feels about them self or their internal desire to make changes. One old adage is: You're responsible for your own happiness!
True but.........I don't know. there just seems to be something rebellious about the thought....HA...HA I have a quick one for U....What if A 40yr Man loves girls under 5, and he finds one that loves him too, (they are happy but are they right??).
Not sure why when it comes to someone changing their own body or appearance one would tie that to committing the crime of being a pedophile child molester, or even statutory rapist. Gender transition only affects the individual and it's legal.
Aime:u gave me back a question Link:U said that rational adults can decide 4 themselves None of this says why a man decides that cockroaches r the best food while another thinks they're bad, because they r both rational person but oppose each other
Good grief. Okay. A person changing something about their own life/body that doesn't hurt anyone else is their own decision. Whether it's good or bad is up to them. You don't like it then you don't do it. Simple.
If a person does something that DIRECTLY HARMS SOMEONE ELSE (pedophilia) THAN IT IS WRONG. IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EFFECT ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE SLIGHTEST (being transgender) THAN IT IS PERFECTLY FINE!!!
Thank U BM, now that's a good answer . Now U R saying that if everyone wants to live 4 themselves not harming anyone but possibly themselves, IT'S OKAY? drugs,cutting yourself, suicide, incest, Bulimia may feel great but should any\everyone do it ?
We go from asking if its okay to alter your gender if theres no negative impact to saying its okay to cut, drug, and starve yourself to death if it feels good? What a fucking joke some people are if this is really how their thought process works...
Link: I was trying to point out that not everything that feels good is GOOD. Aime: A person that tends to not like who they are and respect what they were given, is most times not a character u'd want to emulate.
Well thanks for the question. Where I'm from my mother works in a health center where many homosexual man has to come in for treatment because of anal displacement and etc...procreation, emotional challenge of loved & friends to adjust etc..
Dwight, have you ever met a transgendered person? I have a transgendered friend and he's one of the happiest, most confident people I know. He likes himself just fine. He just knows he's a man and a not a woman, as he was born.
U know guys, honestly I was avoiding ever debating the issue of homosexuality on HP. There's just too much to say, and nothing that will change. Anyone can do anything they want (granted). even if its against nature or god, or any other standard
Technically, transgenders are homosexual. A man masquerading as a woman is still a man, and that cannot be changed. So if this "woman" dates men, it's really a man dating a man, at least in God's eyes. They just don't want to believe that.
It is very rare that people are born with both genitals. In that case, we'd have to see which of those organs was functional, and the structure of the rest of the body. For example, is there a male pelvic bone? Will breasts develop?
The conversation regressed with the first comment to dashing's response. Then when tried to get back on topic, 1 question by 3 different people gets ignored and suddenly homosexuality comes into the picture.
Wow....this is what i'm talking about. there's too many politically correct things to say on a topic like this...Because in the world of the atheist boundaries are limited to none, so it doesn't makes sense trying to show them a fence they can't see
This isn't going anywhere........these comments aren't enough............ Again no conclusion.... Good question lolita. Link, U, austinstar and someone called Julie McFarland are persons I'd like have a decent discussion with one day. respect...
Dwight,from my perspective it looks like you're putting up a fence in the middle of nowhere for the sake of putting up a fence. You guys haven't offered any explanations as to why someone changing their gender is harmful other than "it's not natural"
WOW that explains a Lot of what went on in my last discussion with her. It's been awhile But I don't, she's someone i really respect on HP. She always gives me a fair and educational challenge in our debates. In fact she helped enhance my faith.
ehm.. Aren't people who change gender Skin-changers? I saw a documentary about Hobbits once and they had evidence about abducted pedophiles by aliens who were indoctrinated by Barbarella. But the gov don't want to make it public. Right Dwight?
I think the world is having a hard time with this equality thing...It's strange because it's self-defeating. If everyone is allowed to express themselves then some of those expressions will be opposing to others..hence where is the equality?
Sometimes equality is the very cause for pluralism and wars. A set of people wants to have a festival of dance on sundays and others want a day of quiet on the same day in a small community. they both have the RIGHT, but they contradict each other.
that's right link......but look at history till now it either never works or never works forever....the truth is that people need rules, limits and boundaries...We can't be allowed to do anything we feel like. compromise==rules.
you're way off Link. this isn't just about atheist or transgender issues. Everyone needs boundaries. If someone believes their actions won't impact the humanity they're wrong. Humans compile humanity and we're all responsible for a better tommorow
If your neighbour decides to change gender how will that effect your life Dwight? And because it will effect your life so drastically he/she is not allowed to do it? do you have a justifiable reason to veto such decision?
I don't hate gays, can't stop them and won't try to force them to change. I simply believe that what they are doing is wrong. Now U may believe that gay sex is ok, but is incest,or having sex with a donkey or a cockroach,cause others may see it as ok
So U selected one of the three; incest,which to some consenting adults is okay. And by the way like i said my mother works in the health industry and we've seen too much cases of homosexual men with serious health issues with the anus.Its not natural
So are U going to dismiss everything that was said in the article...cause I've witnessed some these events.... In fact we had to have a special group to train workers at my mothers health center how to deal with gay patients.
Vast majority of sources from ~20yrs ago, education has resulted in a massive decline in HIV since (except for in third world countries, which has nothing to do w/ homosexuality). You think oral sex is unnatural?
I don't mean to be crude, but when someone starts getting excited in the presence of feces...That has to be seen as unnatural and unhealthy...where now are the logical, moral civil thinking adults...again NOT EVERYTHING THAT FEELS GOOD IS GOOD.
Dwight,I have to say Link is right when he says the cited homosexual activities in that article aren't just limited to homosexuals.Heteros engage in same activities,even eating feces.But that some heteros do it too doesn't make it healthy!
Yeah...I disagree with heterosexuals involving in sexual activities that can harm them as well. Unnatural and unhealthy isn't partial among people of different sexual orientations. If it sounded like I was saying it was I apologize.
When someone decides they don't feel like their arm is part of themselves anymore, we don't give them a hack saw - we lock them up and medicate them. When an anorexic says they don't like their body image and want to be starvation thin, we don't give them stomach stapling surgery so the body matches the warped mental illness. And we shouldn't give someone who is in utter denial of their biological sex surgery to try to match the delusion.
A mental illness that denies basic reality that toddlers understand and impulse to remove body parts is a severe mental illness. And the equally high suicide rate of transgenders w/ and w/o surgery proves the problem is not fixed with surgery.
A woman is a woman, and a man is a man. A woman is to look like a man. Every culture and religion in the world say that if you're guy, that's wrong. Nature also clearly states that as well. Very good argument. I totally agree.
"We don't give them a hack saw - we lock them up and medicate them." Only because hacksaws are cheap while pharmaceuticals are big business. As soon as the money runs dry they put them out on the street without even a hacksaw.
It's not about the society. This decision should be yours and you should not bear about what others are going to think about you. Gender is decided by genes of a man only not by woman and after birth if u think u want to change your gender than i think yoy should go for it,
Well, if you want to of course, you can change, although I u must be pretty f***ed up in the head if you want to change, especially from male to female. But if somebody want to change, why not? Are they hurting anybody, no they are not.
This is becoming grotesque & much too graphic. Please tone it down a bit.Must we include surgical procedures? OP! GET this thread BACK ON TRACK.It's UR responsibility. This thing has gone way off track in several bizarre directions.Stick to TOPIC
Female to male involves more extensive lower surgery - as a penis can be used for MTF to create the folds etc of vag, but has to be created for FTM from abdo skin etc. still a huge step to take. Some Cis-males think MTF is mad, bcus of 'chopping'
Sgt. Prepper, I agree about male circumcision. My son is not circumcised nor will he be unless he decides that he wants to have that done. I did know one adult who had the procedure for cosmetic reasons. He regretted it.
It does affect others when a mentally ill man in a dress walks into the women's bathroom, demanding that they all give up their right to privacy to suit his delusion. And then it happens in the changing rooms, the showers, women's only spaces ...
My transgendered friend looks like a man and you'd never know he was born a girl if he didn't tell you. No one in a men's bathroom has a clue he's not a man. He's attracted to women so being in a man's change room doesn't mean he's eyeing up dudes.
Hmmm, well if "he" is attracted to women and being a woman why would "he" prefer the men's rest room over the women's? That makes no sense but then neither does wanting to pretend you're a man when you are a woman.
I don;t know about the rest of you, but when I'm in the bathroom - I'm not looking at any1 else. Those of you worried about trans people "looking" at you or yrs, what exactly do YOU do in the bathroom to make u think others would be doing the same?
This is all really incredible macho mentality. Bathroom problems.... A mentally ill man in a dress...scuse me but I have a transgender friend as well and he is an intelligent, sensitive woman who plays very good saxophone. Nothing wrong with that!
We all have the right to do whatever we want with our bodies, but no matter what we should draw the line somewhere. A person's gender is a core essence of that person, and somebody can just change that? If all the moral values we hold dear are tarnished before our very eyes, what do we have to pass on to the next generation?
What gives you the right to draw a line regarding someone else's body? It's THEIR body, not yours. It doesn't concern you in any way shape or form! If they want three legs, that does not concern you. Mind your own body.
Link- I'd imagine because some view it as against "God's will." As in, God made this person male for a reason. Why not ask if all medicine and surgery is against God's will, though? Probably because Christians want their appendix out.
This is where it becomes VERY CLEAR that no one in here even understands what it means to be transgender. People who identify as trans aren't 'changing' their gender - they're changing their bodies to adapt to how they identify on a deeper level. Gender is a social construct anyways and one's genitalia does not determine gender. Even if we look deeper into the "science" behind biological sex, we realize that's not so cut and dried either - otherwise we wouldn't have the crazy (and common!) xy chromosome mutations that exist or people who are born intersex. A lot of people are designated a certain sex at birth and then later in life find out there chromosomes don't even match that sex!
Being trans is very different for each individual. Not every trans person has the desire (or the socioeconomic ability) to physically transition. Not every trans person fits neatly into the male-female binary either. Gender is a complex thing and there is a whole range of gender expressions - all of them valid. People deserve to be happy and living in a manner that feels most true to who they are. Anyone who would say otherwise is a bigot.
They are judgemental bigots who choose to be ignorant of the factors surrounding sexuality and humanity. They think transgendered people must apologize to their god for being born. What hypocrits. Thank you for your clarity of thought here.
Sgt.So telling of U to admit UR a Hater. A hater of the worse kind as U "claim" UR Christianity. What a pathetic moron. Not a single soul has the need to be "tolerated" by the likes of you. U R simply LOST. How dare U judge & condemn. U R a nobod
U have repeated that same asinine statement several annoying times. Get some new smut material~your old act has become nauseatingly boring. We GET IT! You hate Obama & the Pope. Aren't you special? U don't have a message. U spew garbage.
Your question asks if a person has "the right" to change his or her gender. Quite obviously they HAVE THE RIGHT (legally & medically) since thousands undergo this surgery in many places throughout the world.
Transgender is still much of a mystery to the average lay person. As with anything that the general public is not fully educated on, the reaction is usually negative (aversion, confusion,)
These individuals feel (claim they are certain) they were born in the opposite body of the gender they TRULY are. If they can financially afford such expensive surgery, they may make the decision to do so.
This is a personal, individual and private decision that is not the business nor concern of anyone else, nor should it be. Speaking of "rights" (your word) absolutely NO ONE has the right to suggest to a transgender whether or not they can or cannot~~ should or should not have the transformation surgery.
Get yourselves a hobby or maybe a LIFE and keep your opinions, beliefs and narrow minds OUT of the personal lives of others. Focus on your own issues. No one needs to be interested in what you have to say. Leave others to their own choices and be on your way.
Thank you, Paula. The amount of hypocritical druggies, borderline illiterate posters and completely ignorant people trying to tell others what to do is just absurd. Get their own lives together and then maybe they get an opinion we'll take seriously.
genetics aren't always that strait forward. You can look like a woman but your chemistry is that of a men and vice versa. Actually all human life starts as a women and during the development of the foetus it changes normally spoken into a man or not. Today people who feel trapped in the wrong body have the possibility to change their gender. We can heal diseases and anomalies of the body with surgery. So why not change the gender if it makes the person more happy. What is the difference between breast implants and gender change? Or a tattoo for that matter. In both cases you change the body. So please don't be to judgmental about it and leave God out of the question (a body given to you and not to be altered etc.)
Because there is no proof that God does or does not exist, it is logical to say that the x or y chromosome is responsible for the gender difference. I am just a person. You are just a person. A mere speck in the endless universe. What would give me the right to judge someone or tell them how to live their life? I think that the beauty of freedom is that everyone can and should be able to decide for themselves how they feel, what they do, how they live their lives or how they look like as long as they are not physically harming anyone else in the process.
Suicide is a valid choice for people who do not want to live in their bodies. It's not a good choice, but that decision is up to the individual, it's not up to anyone else. We might choose to be of help, but their body belongs to them.
I think, for the sake of argument, we have to take God out of this discussion, since not everyone agrees there is one.
The idea that something makes someone male or female is simplistic. Many things combine to make up gender, and there are more than just those two choices. Some people are agender, or gender fluid. Transgender just happens to be the term we use for someone born with the genetalia of one gender, and the thoughts and feelings that they are another. They are trapped in a body that doesn't match who they are. It's just a packaging issue---change the package, and that person feels whole.
You ask if one has the right to change his or her gender. What right do we have to decide that for someone else? Why on earth would you want to make someone live in the wrong body? It's nobody's business but the person in question, and his or her doctors. Many, many doctors, because this isn't something that you just wake up one morning, and decide to do. There's a lot of medical and psychological counseling before a person can go through the series of operations to complete their transition. It's a long, painful, expensive, exhausting process. If someone is willing to go through that process to be the person they believe they were mean to be, it's not my place to tell them no.
Then look at other religions. All transgenders attack the people who believe in Christianity. Why not look at every other religion in the world. Does any of them give transgenders the right to change their bodies or be gay? Most certainly not.
William Peniche Jr, please do not speak for me. I am a trans person who certainly does NOT attack people for their Christian beliefs. Don't generalise. NOT all trans people are anti-Christian, and not all Christians are anti-Trans.
William Peniche Jr. Or maybe God gave them the right. Doesn't the Bible say if thy eye offends thee pluck in out? Well, what if thy sexual organs offend thee? Maybe sexual reassignment can make someone less offended and closer to God?
The problem with your comments W & L is Christianity is not a religion but the plan of God, everyone's creator&Christianity IS accepting of sinners but NOT the sin.Christ dined with sinners&prostitutes He did not come to call the righteou
TSAD, only Christians believe that Christianity is the plan of God. Muslims don't. Jews don't. Buddhists don't. I don't. It's a religion, just like Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism. If you want to believe otherwise. fine. Not all do.
It ALL comes down to this: Where will YOU spend eternity? In Heaven with the virgin-born Son of God, Jesus the Christ OR in Hell with the Kenyan-born son of a porn-star Obama the Antichrist & his False Prophet Jesuit Pope Francis?
Link..consider the twisted source. Snap out of it. The woman had a wild streak. I've never seen nor heard a single thing about porn star activities.Sgt lives in his own sick fantasy world. He uses anything to spew filth & hatred. He's so special.
Link,u haven't seen pics of Obama's mother on DVD 'Dreams From My Real Father'? I haven't seen it, alleges that Barack's real father is left wing poet&Communist party activist Frank Davis& that his mom's marriage was a 'sham' to cover it up
Link..I won't get into details here. All U need do is google Obama's Mother. She had a PhD in anthropology, was raised by a proper & educated family. Some hater of Obama wrote a take on BO's book & "alleged" BO's mother "posed for nude pics.
Well Sir "T" ~~As U know, I'm no B.O. fan, but I do have a brain & common sense. I went to the link U gave. It reads like more contrived, fictitious, spiteful, outrageous sensationalism CRAP than if it was from a SMUT Rag periodical! Pure BULL.
Link..There is NO connection except in the pea brains of those who R obsessed w/ smear tactics. Clearly such trash had no effect on 2 elections.IMO, attacking family (parents/kids) is the LOWEST level, strictly 4 bottom feeders.I REFUSE 2 stoop.
There is absolutely not a scintilla of resemblance between B.O and EITHER ONE OF THOSE MEN.Utterly Nothing! Not a single similar feature, bone structure..ZERO! B.O looks about as much like Davis or B.O Sr. as I do! no resemblance to his MOM either!
At least several biracial men and one Caucasoid have been named as BHO's biological father. Without DNA even the usurper himself doesn't know for sure. Legally the named Kenyan-Brit BHO-Sr is the one that counts. Biblically BHO's the son of Satan.
Gender is the mental counterpart to physical sex and usually reflects physical sex. Gender is not typically subject to a person's conscious control. Transpeople don't change their gender. Rather, they find that their gender is at odds with their physical sex. Some choose to just live as their gender in the way they express their identities (with their names, pronouns, clothes, etc). Many choose hormone therapy to gain the tertiary and secondary sex characteristics of the gender with which they identify. A minority choose to change their sex organs with sexual reassignment surgery, which can be a serious health risk. The primary concern in the whole matter is the health of the affected individual.
I do not feel it is right, I do feel they have the right to do what they want. Having it in media and pushed in my face is very wrong. Profiting from it may make people do it for money or glamour. It should be kept out of the media, do people not have rights to not have their young children see this.
My belief is to each his own, I am not saying to hide it, just don't show it off or brag about it.
That isn't what cis gender heterosexual people do. We do tend to flaunt out heterosexuality. The media is extremely hetero-normative. Many cis-hetero males seem to brag about sex all the time. A bit hypocritical imposing rules we don't follow.
What is right and what is wrong. Is bombing a city live on the television (CNN-war Iraq) a right thing to do. Killing people live on tv? The media is a money making machine.The juicier the story the better. Don't read the news is a solution.
Funny how some people ask that question when infact they aren't really bothered about an answer, and just go on about their lives and think of another question that has no impact on them whatsoever. What do you really think? Seriously: you think a man wants to be a woman because it's all about the spotlight; a man wants his bits cut off just to be what, famous; to be what he wants to be? And a woman, same old. Society is one thing one day and and another thing another day. We don't know! And we never will! Happiness: strive for that. Whatever makes you happy and doesn't hurt others, there you ago. End of.
Does one have the right? Obviously, yes - people do it. I've never heard of any laws against it (in the US, anyway). However, with the image you added, the question should maybe be more along the lines of...
Does one have the right to change his or her gender after winning multiple Olympic medals, marrying multiple times, fathering children - and being patriarch of one of the most controversial and VAIN families in the entire world?
I mean, at what point do you become so bored with life that you have nothing better to do but cause another big, Hollywood commotion; and how much money can you make off of it?
I live in Seattle and know transgendered people. Caitlin 'Bruce' Jenner does not even come close to representing the majority of them - and they do not like 'her'.
True. But at the point in life where he made a decision to 'honor' his feelings/gender - what does that say about the choices he made in his past? Were they 'mistakes' because he felt so 'smothered' by society? He/she lives in an accepting city.
What in the world does living in the wrong body even mean?! You're a male or a female. You have male and female hormones that make you want to do male and female things. Would you want to say to your parents face and say Why didn't you make me a girl
Catherine..You hit on something VERY vital. Jenner is not representative of the trans community. For 65 yrs, he lived his life as man, married to women & being a DAD. An OLYMPIC ATHLETE. How much more macho does it get? Then BOOM, he's suddenly N
Prepper...I get that U think UR funny, but UR not at all. When UR not saying something ignorant, you're being nasty & disgusting. You have a filthy mind & a mouth to match. U give Christians a really bad rep! Grow up. U sound like a PUNK!
Kevin, why have you ignored Paula's comment? I think it is deserving of a sincere reply, not a smug unrelated comment. Really, if you are a Christian why not either explain or show some humility and apologize for what to her seems offensive?
It is all quite serious really as we ARE living in the "last days" and can expect The Rapture at any moment. Crash of the dollar, world war, civil unrest, martial-law, RFID-chips & FEMA camps are right around the corner. I hate Big Brother Obam
Thank U, "T", but I truly don't want an apology. I don't want him to address me directly. His crass, vulgar, insults & snide comments about people he does not know & his judgmental attitude proves to all of us, he only CLAIMS to be Christian.
Sgt. Pepper are you still in the marines and have that macho education or did you actually learn something in life. Back to the question. Ever wondered why you have female nipples? Man don't breastfeat or do you? A womans character in a mans body.
This is why it's so frustrating having to defend Caitlyn Jenner, who is a horrible representation of the trans community and often very antagonistic towards it, despite her ability to provide representation. But people understand soo little.
I feel no obligation nor need to DEFEND Caitlin in particular. The question would have better responded to w/o the picture of Jenner! That was Lolita's sneaky move. Jenner's capable of defending himself Oops HERself.
The fact that youve got niples TSAD is that you started our as a women Including niples and reproductive organ only after 60 days testosteron kicks in and makes you a men if all goes to plan. But nature is not always that straight forward.
Patently false peter(as usual with u)It is the male sperm that determines the sex of the fetus.It's pretty basic genetics,I'd suggest a search using the terms gamete influence,sex embryology,sexual genetics.Your"theory"is totally unproven.
Yes it's the sperm that determines the gender but only after a few weeks when the testosterone comes into play. But the actual blueprint by mammals is female. In terms of hormones we start as a female. It is not that black and white at all.
Society is always correct? Um, no. And not just with gender issues. History is filled with examples of societies doing stupid/wrong stuff, even if they "thought" at the time it was "right". Heck, just go back to the slavery period in the USA, and then segregation, 3/5 rule, women not "capable enough" to vote, etc.
As far as the whole gender issue...why is it okay to change other parts of your body (all of you is determined by genetics, etc., hair color, body type, eye color, nose shape), but changing gender or even your physical sex "going too far"? I can change my nose and that's "okay", but if I wanted to adopt a female body (I'm a male), then "OMG NO THAT IS WRONG".
More like society is always subjective and biased. Of course, "society" is just made up of individuals, who are often subjective and biased.
And even if it's a "sin" to change your sex/gender, (most) religions (alive in the USA) also preach that God can forgive sins. So even in THAT light, ostracizing, persecuting, or bullying people that make these choices is not "Godlike". Those same religions preach that God loves all. No where is the caveat "as long as you retain your birth sex and fit the gender role the society you live in says you should fit".
It's one thing to say "I disagree", especially if asked, but it's another to be demeaning and so forth.
It's more like just another variation on "I don't like it, therefore it should not exist" and they wrap it in (a likely misunderstanding of) their religion to justify it.
Nature, credited to God/greater powers in most religions, is a funny thing sometimes. Sometimes our human minds don't grasp it because it doesn't "fit the patterns". That doesn't make nature wrong, it just shows limitations in the mind and our knowledge that need to be overcome.
If God is upset with a person for changing sexes he can death-smite and judge that person before I can even type this answer. To me as a Christian. that is one of those things like abortion or divorce that is strictly between an individual and his or her own belief system/religion/conscience/soul. If my God cares one way or another on that topic then I trust God completely to take whatever actions need to be taken. "Judge not lest ye be judged" puts me in my place as a Christian and believer in God's will. My place as I understand it, is to love everyone regardless or their sins. That is a tough enough job for me. Until I am really good at that, I don't deserve any more responsibility.
I love this answer. This is what *I* consider to be a really good Christian attitude - and it includes love regardless of 'sin' along with TRUST in God. This should be a 'normal' Christian response; but as it stands so alone - it is brilliant. Thanks
There's nothing Christianly about any of you views. Abortion is plainly murdered. You would have been killed if you were aborted. If you really read the bible, then you'd know that means you would be judged at the same level which it state next.
I hope Kevin you've learned your lesson. Link knows all about God and though he believes God is a fairy tale, his words, he is quick to invoke a fairy tale to make his argument. If he knew anything about God he'd be shaking in his boots.
Thething is Link you know nothing of what is in the Bible,as evidenced by the fact you believe it is a fairy tale.If Kevin is so stupid as to believe a fairy tale logic does not dictate that you use a fairytale to convince him otherwise.
I guess. We'll just ignore the multitude of former (devout) christians now atheists who literally spent a portion of their life reading and studying the Bible and just say they knew nothing about it either.
Multitude? You are delusional! The Multitudes are on the side of believing in God and the Bible. Only 2 percent of the general population identifies as atheist and the vast majority of them have not seriously studied the Bible. Delusional
I suggest you look up the meaning of multitude.by any measure what you said is not a multitude as I demonstrated a fraction of2% is not a multitude compared to believers who are a multitude,I never said anything about majorities,Payattention
I've read the Bible&I study it which is something I know you do not do.Anyone can read &get nothing from what is read especially if they don't believe what they are reading.Moreintelligent people than uorI believe it,ushd listen why they do.
Link,a stupid person(since you like that word so much)knows statistics are relative.To reference a tiny fraction of 6 million people as a multitude against hundreds of millions who believe in God doesn't win your debate,it demonstrates delusion.
Guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't comparing the number to anything, though even if I was it still wouldn't change the fact that 6 million is still considered a "large number" and falls under the definition of multitude...
Guess you missed the part where I demonstrated that your "multitude" doesn't have a chance in hell of proving any point you were trying to make when it is meaningless in terms of numbers of atheists vrs numbers of believers in God.
The 2009 American Religious Identification Survey reported that up the 18.4% of americans are atheists, agnostics, or unsure on the existence of god. Some other surveys suggest that up to 9% of the WORLD population is irreligious.
Just because all your friends think it would be a good idea to jump off a building doesn't make it a good idea. Jesus Christ is Lord of all forever. He will give you a whole new life, forgiveness & eternal salvation. Ephesians 6:12
BM,do u always interject smoke&mirrors into discussions?We were discussing Links's "multitude of former...Christians now atheists who,,,spent...their life reading&studying the Bible"a minuscule fraction of atheists,not agnostics or confused.
Considering that about 60 years ago the majority of americans professed a Christian faith, these modern atheists had to come from somewhere. It is not likely that only 2% of these american atheists were subject to Christian influence.
Nice try BM,just ignore the straw man you raised& raise another.I guarantee you "former(devout)Christians"(Link's words)who leave the faith for atheism aren't any multitude&likely don't even exist.Devotees would never forsake Christ.
All I was trying to say was that a lot of atheists were former christians, and that "a lot more than 2%" came from a Christian upbringing. And it's safe to say that that number could be considered a "multitude". That's all.
BM,oh really that's all you wanted to say?Well what do you base that on?Is there a poll?a study?Do you interview people&ask questions to verify they even know what a Christian is to start with?U wouldn't know a Christian if God introduced you
Capernius- The OT is the Torah. If it was "meant" for anyone it was meant for Jews. But this quote is from Matthew 7 from N T I'd say the meaning is clear. It doesn't say Judge not other Christians. You interpret it however you like, though.
Personally, I don't understand what would cause someone to decide to change gender / sex. But, I have to admit, as long as you are not harming anyone else, you can do whatever you want to do. It would be somewhat foolish of me to reprimand someone for an action that affects me in no way. It's like me judging someone for drinking apple juice instead of orange juice!
Of course they do. Gender is a societal construct, it's not the same thing as physical sex. You can't change whether you are male, female or intersexed, but you can change your gender (social presentation, physical appearance, etc.) Gender is very heavily influenced by hormones, and research very strongly suggests that transgender people are experiencing a physical divergence in brain sex to one degree or another due to hormonal glitches in the womb. It's not some mystical imaginary thing like people make it out to be, and honestly, a lot of transgender people see themselves as men or women born with a birth defect, and getting SRS and undergoing hormone therapy is no different from getting surgery to fix a cleft palate.
I don't personally think Caitlyn Jenner is a good representative of what it means to be transgender (she claims not to have dysphoria and has expressed some very superficial ideas about womanhood that I personally find offensive as a transgender person who has chosen not to transition and a female, downplays how difficult it is for non-millionare trans folk to pass, etc.), but whatever, she has the right to do what she wants. I just wish she wasn't trumped out as "the transgender person," because that's not accurate.
Why don't people spend more time improving your own life instead of picking on people who already get the bottom of the barrel in every aspect of society? I guess some people need that to feel important, but at least be against something you understand and have researched.
I don't understand the birth defect ploy.Why would anyone think a birth defect means they were born with the wrong genitals when I would think the obvious explanation,if you want to go down the defect road,would be a defect in the brain.
Are you aware that the brain is part of the body? Transgender people have a different "brain map" of their bodies, which leads to dysphoria. If you had actually read a study on something you claim to know so much about...
Actually you just agreed with me. You are saying the defect is in the brain not the genitals, so what is your problem, evidently you are agreeing with me while condescendingly criticizing not mine but your own analysis. Make some sense!
LOL well that says so much for the education system. When you need to boast credentials to make up for obvious shortcoming in your reasoning abilities I need not labor any points though I assure you I can top any credentials you may have.
Paula, I'm surprised at you, this woman should be apologizing to me. "If you had actually read a study on something you claim to know so much about." "you just understand the science so poorly" Insults before I uttered a word about her brain.
Dear Josephine,it appears someone for whom I have great respect has brought to my attention that I am behaving towards u in a bullying manner.Upon reflection&deep introspection I have concluded that she is right&so I offer my humble apology.
Firstly I will declare my interest as a proud trans woman. Secondly I will declare my interest as a proud Spiritualist. If we were not meant to be able to correct (this is what trans people do) our gender, God would not have given human kind the ability to do so.
People get their physical imperfections and birth defects corrected all the time. Nobody hassles people born without external ears for getting surgeries to construct ears nor do they bother people born with useless extra digits who have them removed.
Yes, I think sex is a birth defect for people who are transgender. The most important part of a person, the person part of a human being, resides between the ears, not the legs. I lucked out and got a matching brain and body, not everyone is lucky.
Interesting,so if I decide my arm is a birth defect,say my brain tells me I should have been born with wings,you'd be all for me cutting it off.I appreciate that kind of support,you are so empathetic.Others might say the defect is in my brain
And youPScan scientifically prove gender is a birth defect?(then we all have a birth defect if we whim to claim it?)no difference.That is the question that requires an answer not your spin on it.Kylyssa I've shown you make no sense,whatsoever
Read some science about the subject and you will understand that what we call male or female isn't that straight forward. We all start in the womb as females and during the process of becoming a male a lot can happen. Transgender is not brain problem
Really peter? I have and although different etiologies have been suggested as the cause of transgender identity NONE have been proven definitively.That's why you haven't provided anything to back up what you just said. Nice try.
Firstly, you're undermining God. Secondly, He clearly states where ones place is in once their gender is set. Thirdly, He said he gave mankind over to their lusts and wants and free will. Fourthly, He said he will judge sinners on judgement day.
Peter you don;t have a clue about what you are saying. Etiologies aren't diseases, it is the study of the cause or reason for anything like the reason for transgender. Really every time you open your mouth you demonstrate your ignorance.
It does not only refer to medicine and since we weren't talking about diseases why would you choose that interpretation - I'll tell you why, because I'm right and you have to find some way to make it look like you are right, transparently the case.
But Phil, whatever do you mean, no self control? It appears that;s precisely what Kaitlin/Bruce did~~TOOK CONTROL OF HER TRUE SELF. How do we judge the mind, heart & soul of another? We shouldn't. WHY do you?
Phil,come on...Some women dressed up like a woman are hideous,what's that have to do with anything otherthan beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Had you never known Bruce Jenner&saw"Caitlyn"I doubt you'd have the same reaction.
I meant self control in the fact that you are trying to be something that is abnormal. Sometimes I have shady thoughts and what ifs about various things, however self control is something that is needed to not act out on things that are silly.
So Aime, you act on all your thoughts and impulses that you know aren't right? Bruce Jenner is an effed up dude. I'm sure he still questions himself daily every time he looks at his penis. Note: He has a penis. That dude is nuts.
OK..projection/transference: behavior of a finger point at another 4 the precise fault, shortcoming, fantasy, "desire" U have. What DID u mean? I suppose I read it with a clinical slant. Sorry...U were clever & didn't even know it?? LOL
Woah there Link! I have never been caught in a bathroom stall with a guy. On another note, Of course anybody can do what they want with their body. I just think some things shouldn't be pumped up like it's freakin' amazing. It's all an agenda.
As long as they let people know what kind of family jewels are available prior to a date cuz it's very very weird assuming that no one cares about that. It could cause serious adverse reactions. There are cases of people getting violently upset for example or maybe throwing up. It's morally wrong to lead a person up the garden path if they think they're getting a burger but it's really a hot dog. Do you get my drift? Should I have said that? In other words I couldn't care less if people are gay, bi or transform their gender. It's their choice. It's not the choice of a gender bender to try to fool another person. Many people have real biological issues and hormonal imbalances but they can't expect others to be cool about little or big surprises in the bedroom. Other than that the topic for most people not directly affected is boring. If I have offended anyone on this very sensitive issue please accept my apologies. It must be a very hard road to be on for those suffering gender identity issues.
When you say "Does one have the right...?" what exactly do you mean by "the right?" The God given rights referred to in the Declaration of Independence, which says people have “certain unalienable rights” with which we were endowed by our “Creator,” rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
This undoubtedly would come under the pursuit of happiness and since it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights one can argue yes, one has the right to change his or her gender under the law.
Frankly, if one is an atheist and believes there is no creator then these certain unalienable rights endowed by our “Creator.” are not endowed by anyone with any power to endow anyone with any rights. So simply stated an atheist's "rights" are whatever they want to say they are, in that sense they are their own creator even though they believe they appeared on earth as the culmination of random chemical reactions which by accident appeared and eventually by chance evolved into what they call themselves, descendants of an apelike creature.
On the other hand there is the truth which is that there is a creator, an infinite omniscient, omnipresent, just, wise and loving, holy, perfect God of this universe who created mankind in his image. In 1 Corinthians 3:16 and 6:19 the Holy Spirit tells us that each individual person who trusts Jesus Christ to forgive his or her sins is a temple of God and the Holy Spirit dwells within us. If God the Holy Spirit dwells within us, then we are a temple of God – a fleshly one. The body of a Christian is a temple of God the Holy Spirit.
God warns us in 1 Cor. 6:18-20 that sexual sin is against one's own body. All other sins are outside the body that is, the temple of God.
So in conclusion, the truth is no matter how you look at it, even God has given us all free will and that means we can basically do whatever we want even if it is against His will, he hasn't created robots. But there is a difference between free will and a right. A right implies that it can be exercised without threat of punishment, persecution or judgement. On earth you may call gender transformation a right of the pursuit of happiness but In the world of the Creator, the I AM, who has revealed himself to us in His Word it is clearly a defilement of the temple of God if that person is a Christian (God help his/her eternal; soul if he/she isn't) and according to his word that is not a right without consequence of judgement.
We can never regulate morality but we have to fight to remain and to be secular. The argument that we are born to be a certain way always means that those who our born heterosexual have the same argument.
As an atheist, I think all we have is this life. So what gives me the right to tell someone else what to do in pursuit of happiness in their one and only life if they aren't hurting anyone or trying to control other people? I don't believe it does anything beneficial to make transgender people physically and socially conform to the gender they physically or biologically appear to be.
What's the net benefit of making someone unnecessarily miserable for their one and only lifetime? You believe they'll get rewarded in Heaven for their suffering after they die if they also believe as you do and break none of the other rules you follow, but I don't. I believe they'll be utterly gone, having lived life miserably on your terms rather than on their own. I see that as a sad waste and a pile of unnecessary suffering. It really makes no sense to be against people living as the gender they are comfortable with unless you believe they'll be tortured forever after they die if they don't.
"Something" also makes more people who physically or biologically don't fit the strict gender binary exactly than that "something" makes people who are transgender. There are literally more human beings born who have biologically unusual genders than the number of people born who have a psychological mismatch between their physically apparent gender and the gender they identify with. I don't understand why it's so hard to conceive of the idea that some incredibly tiny percentage of the population, far smaller than that percentage biologically or physically outside the strict gender binary, exists who have some brain differences that make them identify with a gender different from the gender the rest of their body appears to have.
Do you also condemn people who are genetically opposite of the biological gender they naturally appear to be? For instance, a few years ago, a woman athlete who grew up with a vagina she was born with and looks like a woman was discovered to be genetically male after high levels of testosterone were found in her body during anti-doping drug tests. A different woman trying to conceive a child with her husband also discovered she was genetically and internally male while undergoing testing at a fertility clinic. Neither woman has chosen to live as a man after finding out they were not biologically female. Are they guilty of some kind of sin for failing to socially conform to their biology? Or are you fine with it because you can't tell they are male?
"As an atheist, I think all we have is this life." So that is what you "think", but you must admit it is not necessarily the truth. So have you "thought" about, what if what you "think" is not (as a matter of fact it IS NOT) the truth?
If you're right, won't your loving God torture me forever as cruelly as you could want after I die for not thinking He's real? Is it that you can't wait for God to start the torture so you want it to start now for people who don't believe as you do?
That definitely sounds like paranoia.To begin with it isYOUwho chooses punishment by rejecting God's free gift of eternal life through his son who paid the price forYOURsins.That makes sense even from a sinner's(all are sinners)perspective
There's nothing paranoid about stating that you, TSAD, seem to believe everyone who doesn't think God is real will go to Hell after they die. You don't seem to trust that because you seem to want people punished now for doing things you disagree with
I am merely a messenger,what I said is not what I think,it is the truth as stated in the Word of God.So raise a straw man instead of having an honest discussion,change the subject,&deflect all you want,doesn't change the fact He created u.
I think we should not try to change our gender. Because God creates everything in a system. If we try to break this system chain, it will be destructive for us. So my opinion is not to change gender, just change our mind.
No - even if someone tries, its really not possible. Having different parts surgically attached or removed, wearing different clothes, or changing your name doesn't make you biologically another sex. No argument could convince me differently - DNA is DNA. What people decide upon to have as "rights" certainly differs from what religious people call "rights" and they differ from what activist groups think should be their "rights." So lots of opinions will be presented on this topic with some using God as their basis, others say they control their own bodies, and so on.
Your question along with providing your own answer makes me want to ignore and skip to something more intelligent but since I am here I have to make my point and then leave. I feel sorry for transgender people because they carry a lot of pain. If that anguish can be alleviated through surgery and hormonal therapy than I am afraid I can not judge them in a negative manor regardless how I feel about what they have done. As for the God part of your question it is clear there isn't an all mighty god of any sort or he wouldn't have made the mistake of assigning someone with the wrong gender. I mean can't your god manage to do anything right?
We live in a fallen world,not the world as God originally created it We see through a glass darkly&can't understand because God's ways are not our ways.If there are mistakes they aren't the consequence of God but of our fallen world.
While you do have the right to your opinion, dead-naming Caitlyn Jenner, and attempting your will on women's organizations is a good way to get your posterior handed to you online. Offending trans people and women leaves you with a narrow following.
No. Why? For example, you are a transwoman. How can you possibly be originated in God's image when he created you as a man? Another one, the batteries. We all know that it will only work if it's on their opposites. They can't be both positive or negative. My point is, It is in the bible, the reality and everything. We have our own differences and He created us uniquely. We shouldn't be taking it for granted. Let's be thankful for what He had given to us. This is our borrowed life and it's up to ourselves on how we can make everything better according to God's will.
Whether you believe in God or not doesn't change anything. He still created all that is. Believe on His Son Jesus for eternal life! Otherwise you will be lost forever like Antichrist Obama & False Prophet Francis. Get ready for the Rapture!
That's your opinion, not an absolute truth. You can live your life according to your beliefs, let other people live their lives according to theirs. Everyone should have the right to make their own choices w/o someone else's religion interfering.
I thank you for your interest in speaking the "truth" to me, but I do not agree with your truth. I think it's my right to decide that for myself, even if you disagree with it. You've had your say, let people do as they will with it.
You imply by what you say that someone isn't letting you"live ur life according to your opinion."Like how is that?you are free to not listen,I don't get why u couch this as if anyone wants control over your life,it's more like ufear the truth.
Really? That's not OK? I thought that was called freedom of speech. No one is forcing you to listen or behave against your "opinion" of how to live. Like I said sounds like you are afraid of hearing the truth, people in denial are like that.
Last I checked there were still a whole bunch of people trying to take away the rights of the LGBT community and women in the name of God (ie. their version of the truth). It goes well beyond this conversation & into the real world and no it's no
So now it's not you denied living according to your opinion you want to rail against u r speaking on behalf of the LGBTs. Really? Can you give me one example where LGBT rights have been taken away in the name of God in the real world? I'm all ears.
Ever been in Saudi Arabia? Just to suggest that to be gay is ok could sentence you for life,In the name of God and the scripture. The church is anti LGBT. The more religious a country is, the more LGBT have problems to be themselves.
So even Peter can't give 1 example here so he refers to Saudi Arabia?like anyone commenting here lives there?Sounds like a lot of bloviating about a non existent problem.Why is that?Has nothing to do with LGBTs,it's just ur denial of the truth
Tsad you asked for an example of the real world. Not the real US so naming Saudi Arabia is fair. The fact that most religious people object to LGBT rights tells you the relationship between religion and LGBT. Tense. Alan Turing comes to mind.
Aime was not talking about a dictatorship in the middleeast.Really,we're talking about America a Democracy in this real world that respects human rights.You have to pick Saudi Arabia?for that matter why didn't you come up with ISIS.So Lame
When I was in the Marines during Vietnam it was discovered we had a homosexual in my platoon. He was loudly ridiculed by our platoon leader, given an undesirable discharge and had to register as a pervert with his hometown police department.
KG..Do not insult the intelligence of fellow-writers here. Only CONVICTED felons (pedophiles & Rapists!) must REGISTER!! Generic perverts are NOT registered!! & gays R NOT perverts!! U have serious issues!! U need to get ready 4 the CAPTURE
Link..If your statement is to me, I honestly can't connect it to my comment. Please explain? What goal posts & who shifted them? Something got past me I guess. I'm struggling w/ KG's asinine comments! The Dude's an enigma!
Oh no not you Paula, I meant Tsad and how Saudi Arabia is very much the real world, yet the example he asked for suddenly changed to having to be something within the US, though there was no prelude that was the requirement.
OK Link..I understand. (U & Tsad stop barking at ea. other!!) UR both nice people just different views.Take a break. breathe.(I should take my own advice) Aime stop hoping. He's real.I can't say A real WHAT...but sadly, he's real. His POOR wife.
Aime~Right side very top of the page under green "unfollow" tab, U'll see "report." Click it & a box will open. I already tried reporting twice w/ details. Apparently they're BUSY or just not concerned. Don't waste UR precious time.
"Rights" have nothing to do with it. You cannot change your gender, period. You can add bits, slice other bits off, but you cannot change your gender. Bruce Jenner is delusional, and he's still 100% male.
Kylyssa disagrees, she thinks your gender is a birth defect, not because medical science has determined that to be the case but because you feel or think that it is. Could it be a birth defect of the brain? What do u think Ken?
GOD does not make mistakes, so therefor the way he made you is perfect.
I believe that anyone who changes themselves like Jenner did, is not all right in the head. Through Christian Based counseling, & seeking GOD's will for your life, this transexual mutation can be avoided.
To do something as radical as this to your body, goes against everything that GOD & Jesus have tried to teach us.
I know that I am not always correct in my thinking, but on this issue, I shall not be moved.
I think that if you want to change your gender, looks, or whatever it is..then hey go head it's your body and you can do whatever you want with it...It's an option and choice that you can make for yourself, just make sure that it's a wise decision
Interesting you brought that up. Since male and/or female genitals are now considered to be a birth defect, intersex has to be the normal situation. How long will it be till everyone wants to become intersex?
T~Cut it out! It is not widely nor generally considered a "birth defect." That was mentioned as 1 person's opinion.& intersex does not HAVE 2 B normal. EVERYONE is not transgender nor will they want 2 be intersex. Mostly~ I don't care! Do YOU??
But several people here(I read all the answers)have claimed it to be a birth defect&according to them IT IS but only if you want it to be so theoretically we all can be transgender,depending on our choice of birth defect, male or female.
As far as I've read, only 2 people have said sex is a birth defect, and they both specified rather clearly that it's mostly transgenders themselves that view it like that, not that sex is a birth defect on a general level.
And no the rest is not irrelevant since you feel some compulsive need to lie/misconstrue half of anything told to you. Unless it was the third person, They didnt say sex in general is a birth defect like you keep claiming.
Really Link,must you always nitpick after you have long lost the argument.Austin star "since your DNA is subject to all kinds of mutations and defects, what difference does it make if you correct some of it to suit your personality..." Happy?
As mentioned above, there are no laws that may prohibit a person to change his/her gender. Likewise, there are no laws that prohibit people to do other things, like abusing or even killing someone. The absence of these laws, unfortunately, cannot prevent people from doing all those things. This, however, does not mean that these things are not done today. The same is about changing the gender. If someone decides to do this, he/she will not ask anyone for a permission. There are lots of cosmetic surgeons, who perform such surgeries without any permission at all. So, I think that this is only up to the person to make such a decision, although, personally, I think that this is not the best option. I believe that people are born ideal and have the inborn characteristics and features natural for their gender. And this is the way it should be.
If you were educated on the law, you would know that hate crime laws and other similar legislation specifically address crime with specific motives, i.e., race, gender, sexuality. Still too complicated?
I can't say if it's a person's right. But I feel that such a person could experience guilt and misery later on. Certainly, Nature cannot go so wrong. Yes, we human beings could go wrong such as dressing up our little girl in her brother's dress or vice versa. We might also develop wrong habits in boarding school or college hostel. Often those people are interviewed who just got the operation done. No interview has been conducted of those people who have spent 20 or so years post-gender change.
Nature cannot go wrong?We live in a fallen sinful world, nature is not what it was originally created as by God.Nature therefore does go wrong but is not God&we don't live to please nature but to please God who created us For His Pleasure!
For some, changing genders causes unhappiness and ends in suicide. The media perpetuates the misinformation that transgender regret is rare.http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/
I guess you can liken mutilating your body to murder of an innocent baby in the womb but the real source of the pain is the hunger in our hearts for God — an empty place in our souls that only He can fill.
One has the right to do whatever one wants, especially where it doesn't have any effect on anyone else. In this case, he will never be a woman, truly, but he can do what he wants with his body.
Hiding behind Jebus to throw hate at something you are afraid of is really pathetic. And yes, something made you a man or a woman. It's basic science to show that sperm and an egg, not magic or Jebus, and which sperm fertilized the egg, not harry potter or Moses, are the reason for ones gender.
And this isn't even a question. Bait and switch isn't a question. You asked and then told us what you think. "God determines what gender you will be. Even if you are an atheist, you have to admit that something made you a man or a woman, with male or female parts."
i don't think the question is really valid. Do we have the right to augment and otherwise change our appearance, yes. Can we, yes from hair color to eye color with contacts, to boobs and surgical body sculpting, to total facial replacement if you want that. Its being done for some with severe facial damage, so why not for someone that wants a complete redo?
The question with all the above is do we need to be doing these things to ourselves? Should we be doing it?
I color my hair because I don't want to have gray hair at my present age. It would be natural for me to have gray hair. It would be as intended per my genetic make up, but I have cultural ideas that say its not necessary or a good thing to appear to be (old) because of negative age biases. But that is society imprinting an attitude on a person.
To change one's appearance to the inth level Bruce Jenner did; to make himself female is another matter. As I understand transgender, society has nothing to do with it. Its one's inner identity that conflicts with the outer for whatever reason. There are several that others have mentioned already. The person has to decide if they are certain that this conflict is severe enough to be willing to go through the years long process of transforming to such a degree.
I would be interested in a study done 20 or more years from now on all the people that are going through these transformations to see if they achieved what they were hoping for, or if changing what they see in the mirror wasn't enough.
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