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Does one have the right to changer his or her gender?

  1. profile image0
    LoliHeyposted 2 years ago

    Does one have the right to changer his or her gender?

    Most definitely, God determines what gender you will be.  Even if you are an atheist, you have to admit that something made you a man or a woman, with male or female parts.  Is it up to you to decide you can be whatever you want to be?  Is society always correct?

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  2. junkseller profile image86
    junksellerposted 2 years ago

    I think you'd also have to admit, god or no god, that something made you female/male/other with female/male/other FEELINGS as well and I'd argue that those are more important than the parts.

    People tinker with their parts all the time. Where exactly would you draw the line?

    Of course, there is no reason for you to draw a line at all. If someone wanted 3 penises and 5 breasts, what business is it of yours?

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If feelings more important than parts why mess with parts at all?If you feel like the opposite gender,behaving like the opposite gender should fulfill your needs right?You don't need breasts to"feel"like a woman,ask any mastectomy survivor

  3. Aime F profile image84
    Aime Fposted 2 years ago

    Of course, people have the right to do what they want with their own bodies.

    "Something" assigns someone a sex (male or female) but gender is a social construct and not everyone wants to live their lives according to the gender roles that their sex is associated with.

    1. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      gender is every kind of "construct". Not just social, biological, emotional, spiritual, psychological....and etc... and the fact that u say it is a social construct, means that people define ur gender and not just  U. So even if u change, ur still U.

    2. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well, yeah, that's sort of the point. People aren't trying to change everything about themselves, they're changing their gender because they feel like a man/woman. That's who they are.

    3. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Let me continue...So even if U change, Ur still a man/woman in someones eyes, therefore Ur still you. Like u said Gender is defined by social construct. So U can't really change completely.

  4. Austinstar profile image87
    Austinstarposted 2 years ago

    Your DNA and genetic code made your body what it is when you were born. Be it blonde hair/blue eyes or male/female reproductive parts.
    Your hormones control your "sexual" feelings. DNA also controls your hormones.
    Now, since your DNA is subject to all kinds of mutations and defects, what difference does it make if you correct some of it to suit your personality and hormonal drive?
    If you want to be a blonde - be one!
    If you want bigger breasts - get them!
    If you want to be a different gender, why is it anyone's business but your own?
    Why would you or anyone want to control another person's life - even all the way down to their PRIVATE sex life?
    It just isn't for you to judge. Why do you even want to?
    Why can't you just live YOUR life as a good, decent human being without trying to control what people do with their bodies? If you don't want to associate with people that think differently than you do - JUST SAY NO!

    1. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hey austinstar, what's up smile

    2. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dwight...."What's up?"  Certainly NOT UR I.Q. !!  Nor Preppers!  UR ignorance is stunning.  K.G. "The male pelvic bone is different than a woman's."  AND UR POINT IS ???  U merely BABBLE.

    3. markeleazer profile image78
      markeleazerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Here is the problem with all that, God made you and if you change any part of what he created then you change the course of history in doing so.Even though we all have a CHOICE going against what the creator intended could have serious affects on you

    4. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mark - why do you wear clothes? Didn't your god create you naked? Are you changing history every time you shave? Or trim your toenails? Does getting your appendix removed offend your god? Wow.

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      Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Comments need a vote function! You'd get the thumbs up from this trans girl, Austinstar smile

    6. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for saying so. This question was designed to promote hatred and fear. It's ridiculous. I think we should all report it to the moderaters. I suspect this OP has been banned before.

    7. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So all the amputees from cancer or other diseases changed the course of history with their decision to not die by going against god's intentional plan to probably make them suffer horridly...

      The utter brilliance of it all is so blinding.

    8. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      People still harp about their gods plan! It's the most horrible plan in the universe. Children dying of poverty, starvation, cancer, car wrecks, everything else. Oh wait. Demons that god can't control are responsible for that plan!

    9. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That darn satan guy, making us not believe in god but also making us not believe in him either...ehh...?

      Possessed.  We're all possessed.

    10. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is a LOT like "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers" and those of us who try to sound the alarm are thought of as crazy.  Truth does not change.  It is eternal. Kenyan-born Obama IS The Antichrist & this goofy Jesuit pope is his False Prophet. John 3

  5. Link10103 profile image77
    Link10103posted 2 years ago

    Well sure, as an atheist I'm aware that gender is determined on a genetic level...

    I don't really see what society has to do with individuals making choices about their bodies either, just that I'm amused that when something doesn't fit the norm people suddenly become non conformist.

    1. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I would totally laugh at anyone who tried to tell me what to do or not do with my personal body. I am still flabbergasted that christians think they have a right to interfere with another's  life.

    2. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah I have to cry when I consider how that baker in Colorado's life was interfered with by a militant homosexual with an axe to grind.  Same-sex marriages can NEVER be consummated so they will forever and always remain mere civil-unions.

    3. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ummm

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      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Right on, Kevin!

    5. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Same sex marriage is legal on a federal level...don't quite see how saying it can't ever be consummated makes any sense..

    6. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All marriages are civil unions. That's  why you need paperwork to prove you are married or divorced. Otherwise, you could just say you are married "in the eyes of your deity" and be done with it.

    7. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Consummation means "to come full-circle" by performing the same act, coitus, which brought the participants into existence in the first place.  Same-sex couples are incapable of doing that.

    8. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I was looking at the complete through pledge/contract definition...which is marriage.

    9. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Legally failure to consummate cannot be used as grounds for divorce or annulment of a so-called "same-sex marriage" hence they are only civil-unions called marriages to get the homosexual-militants to shut-up about it.

    10. jlpark profile image85
      jlparkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So non reproductive couples shouldn't get married then Kevin? Older couples? People who don't want children? Infertile couples? Consummation is the act of sexual intercourse - homosexuals can have sex + do = therefore marriage consummated.

    11. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Omg, Jacqui -you brought up the notion that same sex couples actually have sex with each other. Their little minds are blown now.

    12. Kylyssa profile image96
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Let me get this straight, Kevin, you don't think gay people have sex? Then what's to get bent out of shape over what they do or don't do if their relationships are non-sexual? Do you also have a problem with asexual people getting married?

    13. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sodomy, cunnilingus, fisting & gerbilling are not the same as "coming full-circle"(consummation).

    14. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kyly, The Sgt. attended the same sex education classes as former Prez Bill Clinton.There's ONE official, approved sex & then "other" sex, that doesn't really qualify as sex  "I did not have sex w/ that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Wake up Kyly!

    15. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Man, Kevin, you really are one disturbing and twisted dude.

    16. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Paula, and where do we find those sex education classes Slick Willie took? I know, those are reserved for Rhodes scholars, or maybe, quite likely, Hiliary, his lying 101 tutor, herself taught them. "Billie dear when they ask you say this..."

    17. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I understand when Hillary loses the election, she will sell franchises 4 her "Sex R Us" clinics across the country. The staff of teachers & trainers R Clinton Cronies. Find an app. at  VASTwhitwingconspiracy@LiarLiar.edu

    18. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LOL, oh btw i researched it, Hiliary couldn't have tutored Willie on lying, she flunked Lying 102, How To Lie and Get Away With It. (So nice to not have to squeeze into 250 characters which seems to really be 245)

    19. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I despise the sight of bill,yet I find that I stare at his face, trying like hell to see just a hint of shame, guilt or remorse 4 ALL his sexual misconduct..But no...nothing except sly, snide, elitist bravado, smiling face & lying eyes. Puke.

    20. jonnycomelately profile image83
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kevin, you seem to know a lot about it.  Is that from personal experience, reading books/magazines, surfing the Net (i.e. porn), or do you simply guess at what people get up to behind closed doors?

    21. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So Alan how exactly is it you came to the conclusion I seem to know a lot about it? Personal experience or just gay-porn?
      FYI: man-gravy is the Forbidden Fruit & same-sex marriage is the abomination of desolation.

  6. peachpurple profile image82
    peachpurpleposted 2 years ago

    it depends solely on individual thoughts, if one feels the hormone is not right, he has the right to change it

  7. B M Gunn profile image61
    B M Gunnposted 2 years ago

    If a person identifies as a different gender, they are free to express it.

    It gets tricky when you try to define what gender really is. There are two ways to determine the sex of an individual: look at their genitals, or look at their chromosomes.

    But the interesting thing is, the answers you can get from one, can conflict with the other.

    What we perceive as "females" tend to born with two X chromosomes, and males an X and a Y. However, chromosomal females HAVE been born with a penis! And chromosomal males have been born with vaginas!

    In these cases, their physical appearance can indicate one gender, but their genetics indicate another. This can lead to a genetic male born with a vagina to have all the characteristics that we perceive as feminine, but feel masculine because of their genetic blueprints.

    So, how do you know if transgenders are really changing their gender? They are probably just following what their genes want them to do.

    1. jlpark profile image85
      jlparkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And chromosomes don't necessarily label one a male or female - '2 x's = female' - err, what about XXY - usually identify as male (usually, not always). Or those who are Intersex - have both external genitalia. I like your answer this

    2. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The purpose of my post was to point out how ambiguous the concept of gender can be. It can be hard to truly define what gender is, as some people can have both sexual organs (as you pointed out) and some can have uncommon chromosome patterns (XXY).

    3. jlpark profile image85
      jlparkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      BM - I was agreeing with you (250 characters sucks...)

  8. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
    Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years ago

    They couldn't if they tried.......If we consider EVERYTHING that makes us man or woman. Your reproductive organs aren't the only thing that makes u man or woman.

    1. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The male pelvic-bone is distinctly different from the female pelvic-bone.  Bruce Jenner will always have a male pelvic-bone even in the grave.  One day it will just be the ashes of his male pelvic-bone.

    2. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      amen brother

    3. jlpark profile image85
      jlparkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, but some women have androgynous pelvic bones - makes it difficult to give birth, usually requires A c section -but are still women. Pelvic bone does not maketh the man/woman. (Grin)

    4. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And, I have to say: I have no reproductive organs. Am I still a woman? If so, something other than breeding parts must make it so.

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      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, LMC.  Thanks for trusting us enough to share this information.  I guess in this case you'd be......nothing.

    6. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Brilliance everywhere...

    7. ElvisaM profile image81
      ElvisaMposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lolita... Really?!

    8. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hah! Tell that to the oncologist who took those parts out. He says I'm a woman. That just goes to show that reproductive organs do not make the gender.

    9. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lolita..1st, it's "LISA" not LMC.Ur comment is ignorant. I had 4 kids, then a Hysterectomy. Did I go from a woman to "NOTHING?" No one will ever accuse U of having "a way w/ words!" U might apologize. & EDIT UR Title to drop the "r" from "change.

    10. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Flabergasted, Lolita Monroe, you must be a man to make such a stupid remark. Should have guested it earlier by the pseudonym you choose, macho men's wet dream.
      As talking about gender change, on the internet you can be any gender you want to be.

    11. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hallmark should make some greeting cards for new parents that say "Congratulations! It is a Boy or Girl".

    12. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ah yes, I know the most defining aspect of my womanhood is my pelvic bone. That really has a significant effect on how I'm perceived by society and live my life. Not the brain. Not the soul. The pelvic bone. Brilliant analysis!

    13. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Josephine....LOL......as you can clearly see, prepper is our resident scholar.  Doctor of babble.

    14. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Only a female pelvic-bone can allow a baby to pass through the birthing canal. The wider hips of a woman provide a handy carrying place for babies as well. Breastfeeding is what God meant breasts for.

    15. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My my, however would we WOMEN know anything about our own bodies, if not for Sgt's Anatomy 101 course?! Really Kevin? Ur struggle to come off as being so knowledgeable about so much, has merely resulted in displaying your gross ignorance. Congrats!

    16. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Paula, you have to give him credit for how hard he's trying though, right? LOL

    17. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Um, frankly Josephine, NO, I don't have to give him credit for anything & I certainly won't.  In plain, simple STREET language he's a fucking idiot.

    18. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      oh oh, best before "I" become the next target of STREET language I have to say I'm done here, good bye and goodnight.

    19. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A WISE man knows when to go home.  2 points & Gold star for you.

  9. dashingscorpio profile image87
    dashingscorpioposted 2 years ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12881219_f260.jpg

    If someone gives you something (it's yours to do with as you please).
    That goes for changing the color of your hair, breast augmentation, nose job, or even gender transition. Life is a (personal) journey!
    I don't think being religious or atheist has any bearing on how on feels about them self or their internal desire to make changes.
    One old adage is: You're responsible for your own happiness!

    1. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      True but.........I don't know. there just seems to be something rebellious about the thought....HA...HA I have a quick one for U....What if A 40yr Man loves girls under 5, and he finds one that loves him too, (they are happy but are they right??).

    2. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure why when it comes to someone changing their own  body or appearance one would tie that to committing the crime of being a pedophile child molester, or even statutory rapist.
      Gender transition only affects the individual and it's legal.

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      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dwight---good question!  What makes you happy isn't always right!

    4. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How do we draw a line between what a person can do and can't?
      Who makes the rules?

    5. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What the f... Seriously, people? Comparing a transgendered person to a pedophile? That's disturbing and wrong and offensive beyond belief.

      Does someone changing their gender result in taking advantage of a minor? No? Then stop talking.

    6. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      (stifled laughter).....smile

      again how do we  say what's good and bad, what''s abominable and what's Okay? I'm just asking.........

    7. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      People with intelligence not on par with a rock should know what consent means, and that there's a proper age for a choice to be made individually...

    8. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again.............How do we know what's good and what's not. Why in some parts of the world one thing is abominable while in the other it's okay...

      Soooooo......How do we know when some thing is good from when it's bad?

    9. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amusing that when something goes against the religious norm its suddenly a concern what other parts of the world consider good or bad.

      Bare minimum would be to ask if it affects anyone's well being in a physically negative way.

    10. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Does someone changing their gender negatively affect you in any way?  If not, how about you go ahead and let them decide for themselves whether it's a good or bad thing.

    11. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Okay.....so i see u guys aren't going to answer my question....

    12. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ...second half of my other comment..?

    13. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I also answered it.

    14. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Aime:u gave me back a question
      Link:U said that rational adults can decide 4 themselves
      None of this says why a man decides that cockroaches r the best food while another thinks they're bad, because they r both rational person but oppose each other

    15. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Good grief. Okay. A person changing something about their own life/body that doesn't hurt anyone else is their own decision. Whether it's good or bad is up to them. You don't like it then you don't do it. Simple.

    16. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      7 comments above...

    17. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ughh...

      If a person does something that DIRECTLY HARMS SOMEONE ELSE (pedophilia) THAN IT IS WRONG. IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EFFECT ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE SLIGHTEST (being transgender) THAN IT IS PERFECTLY FINE!!!

    18. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank U BM, now that's a good answer . Now U R saying that if everyone wants to live 4 themselves not harming anyone but possibly themselves, IT'S OKAY? drugs,cutting yourself, suicide, incest, Bulimia may feel great but should any\everyone do it ?

    19. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We go from asking if its okay to alter your gender if theres no negative impact to saying its okay to cut, drug, and starve yourself to death if it feels good?
      What a fucking joke some people are if this is really how their thought process works...

    20. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Okay Dwight, what are the negative effects of someone changing their gender?

    21. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link: I was trying to point out that not everything that feels good is GOOD.
      Aime: A person that tends to not like who they are and respect what they were given, is most times not a character u'd want to emulate.

    22. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm aware Dwight.

      I'm also aware that none of us said that if it feels good it must be okay to do.

    23. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh okay, so u agree that homosexuality/transgender may not be okay...... ?

    24. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know why you have such a difficult time reading Dwight. Didn't really pegg you as a troll.

      What negative impact does someone being homosexual or transgender have on their well being or the well being of anyone around them?

    25. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well thanks for the question. Where I'm from my mother works in a health center where many homosexual man has to come in for treatment because of anal displacement and etc...procreation, emotional challenge  of loved & friends to adjust etc..

    26. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dwight, have you ever met a transgendered person? I have a transgendered friend and he's one of the happiest, most confident people I know. He likes himself just fine. He just knows he's a man and a not a woman, as he was born.

    27. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U know guys, honestly I was avoiding ever debating the issue of homosexuality on HP. There's just too much to say, and nothing that will change.
      Anyone can do anything they want (granted).
      even if its against nature or god, or any other standard sad

    28. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What is anal displacement?

      I don't see why procreation would be  a major issue for gay couples when adoption for males and artificial insemination for women is a thing.

      "Adjusting" wouldn't be a problem for people who's heads aren't in the sand.

    29. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "...even if its against god or nature..."

      That is called the Naturalistic Fallacy. Just because something isn't "natural", doesn't mean that it is wrong.

      Adjustment shouldn't be a problem for homosexuals who have non-bigoted families.

    30. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Don't be who you are because other people might not like it and have to adjust."  Aw, what a sweet life lesson.

    31. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As far as I'm concerned, being homosexual doesn't have anything to do with this topic.

      If you didn't want to talk about homosexuality, I don't know why you brought it up Dwight?

    32. profile image0
      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Technically, transgenders are homosexual.  A man masquerading as a woman is still a man, and that cannot be changed.  So if this "woman" dates men, it's really a man dating a man, at least in God's eyes.  They just don't want to believe that.

    33. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't say transgenders aren't homosexual.

      I said it didn't have anything to do with this topic, as in your question, which asks if its okay to change your gender.

    34. profile image0
      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Right, but sometimes when a conversation evolves, it may go off on a tangent, which can be okay.

    35. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Some people born with XX chromosomes (genetic females) have been born with male genitalia and vice-versa

      If "God" didn't want people to switch genders, than why did he have to make the concept of gender so confusing?

    36. profile image0
      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is very rare that people are born with both genitals.  In that case, we'd have to see which of those organs was functional, and the structure of the rest of the body.  For example, is there a male pelvic bone?  Will breasts develop?

    37. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The conversation regressed with the first comment to dashing's response. Then when tried to get back on topic, 1 question by 3 different people gets ignored and suddenly homosexuality comes into the picture.

      That's called deflecting...

    38. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think you misunderstood. They have the original genetic blueprints for one gender, but in the womb they develop the "wrong" characteristics for some reason. These people are chromosomally intersex.

    39. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wow....this is what i'm talking about. there's too many politically correct things to say on a topic like this...Because in the world of the atheist boundaries are limited to none, so it doesn't makes sense trying to show them a fence they can't  see

    40. profile image0
      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Right.  It's "Do whatever makes you happy as long as it doesn't hurt someone else or you."  No accountability.  Everyone makes their own rules.  We need rules, whether or not we want to admit it.

    41. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ...what are you even talking about Dwight?

      And Loli FYI, the whole "if it doesn't hurt you or anyone else" is the accountability part...

    42. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      exactly link......exactly. U can't see the fence

    43. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If the fence is too high, it blocks your view.

      Get some stilts Dwight...

      I just want to note that being politically correct also has nothing to do with the current topic at hand

    44. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This isn't going anywhere........these comments aren't enough............
      Again no conclusion....
      Good question lolita.
      Link, U, austinstar and someone called Julie McFarland are persons I'd like have a decent discussion with one day.
      respect...

    45. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If you bothered to stick to the topic and respond to questions, a conclusion may have been reached.

      If i remember right, Julie is gay, don't think she would have been too thrilled with most of what you've said so far.

    46. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dwight,from my perspective it looks like you're putting up a fence in the middle of nowhere for the sake of putting up a fence. You guys haven't offered any explanations as to why someone changing their gender is harmful other than "it's not natural"

    47. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      WOW that explains a Lot of what went on in my last discussion with her.
      It's been awhile
      But I don't, she's someone i really respect on HP. She always gives me a fair and educational challenge in our debates. In fact she helped enhance my faith.

    48. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When did this turn into a discussion on political correctness?

      I support LGBT rights because it makes sense to let a person do what feels natural to them, not because I'm afraid not doing so would "offend" somebody.

    49. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed, BM. Not to mention I hate it when people throw out "politically correct" like it's a bad thing to not want to disadvantage entire groups of people based on your own superficial opinions.

    50. ElvisaM profile image81
      ElvisaMposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "What if A 40yr Man loves girls under 5, and he finds one that loves him too"
      A five year old is not mature enough. That's why we have laws against that.

    51. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      She might be only five but she has the body of a nine-year-old.

    52. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What is wrong with you?

    53. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      .........9 year old still isn't mature enough......like did that honestly need to be said? Please be a troll...

    54. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dwight Phoenix, let's keep this in the realm of consenting adults.

    55. peterstreep profile image81
      peterstreepposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ehm..
      Aren't people who change gender Skin-changers? I saw a documentary about Hobbits once and they had evidence about abducted pedophiles by aliens who were indoctrinated by Barbarella. But the gov don't want to make it public. Right Dwight?

    56. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think the world is having a hard time with this equality thing...It's strange because it's self-defeating. If everyone is allowed to express themselves then some of those expressions will be opposing to others..hence where is the equality?

    57. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone is allowed to express themselves equally.

      That's where it stops. Being allowed to express yourself in whatever way you want doesn't exempt you from any possible consequences afterwards.

    58. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sometimes equality is the very cause for pluralism and wars. A set of people wants to have a festival of dance on sundays and others want a day of quiet on the same day in a small community. they both have the RIGHT, but they contradict each other.

    59. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And the next logical step, for civil and open minded people anyway, is compromise.

    60. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      that's right link......but look at history till now it either never works or never works forever....the truth is that people need rules, limits and boundaries...We can't be allowed to do anything we feel like. compromise==rules.

    61. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm still trying to figure out where the stupid assumption that atheists have no boundaries/dont need rules comes from.

    62. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      you're way off Link. this isn't just about atheist or transgender issues. Everyone needs boundaries. If someone believes their actions won't impact the humanity they're wrong. Humans compile humanity and we're all responsible for a better tommorow

    63. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And for some of us that 'better tomorrow' means letting people make their own decisions about their own bodies and happiness big_smile

    64. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Guess its a good thing I encouraged people earlier in this thread to do things while considering the consequences then.

      Shame you and Loli ignored that to say atheists specifically don't want accountability for their actions...

    65. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If your neighbour decides to change gender how will that effect your life Dwight? And because it will effect your life so drastically he/she is not allowed to do it? do you have a justifiable reason to veto such decision?

    66. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't hate gays, can't stop them and won't try to force them to change. I simply believe that what they are doing is wrong. Now U may believe that gay sex is ok, but is incest,or having sex with a donkey or a cockroach,cause others may see it as ok

    67. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You seem to be having s VERY difficult time grasping the concept of consenting adults here, Dwight. 

      Incest puts potential offspring in danger of birth defects. What danger does gay sex pose to anyone?

    68. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So U selected one of the three; incest,which to some consenting adults is okay. And by the way like i said my mother works in the health industry and we've seen too much cases of homosexual men with serious health issues with the anus.Its not natural

    69. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The consenting adults reference was in regards to your other examples.

      Serious issues with the anus like what? You said "anal displacement" before which is a congenital condition most def not caused by anal sex so perhaps you'd like to try again

    70. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this
    71. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh yes, who wouldn't take the research of a designated Christian right hate group whos primary purpose is to demonize homosexuality at all levels as a legitimate reference.

      No bias there...

    72. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So are U going to dismiss everything that was said in the article...cause I've witnessed some these events....
      In fact we had to have a special group to train workers at my mothers health center how to deal with gay patients.

    73. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pretty much yeah.

      Just about everything listed in the article clearly is not limited to only gay people yet it acts as if its exclusive to only then.

    74. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      To put gay sex in the same sentence as sex with a cockroach is like saying God has the same letters as Dog and they relate to each other. It makes no sense but is insinuating there is a relationship.

    75. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Vast majority of sources from ~20yrs ago, education has resulted in a massive decline in HIV since (except for in third world countries, which has nothing to do w/ homosexuality). You think oral sex is unnatural?

    76. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't mean to be crude, but when someone starts getting excited in the presence of feces...That has to be seen as unnatural and unhealthy...where now are the logical, moral civil thinking adults...again NOT EVERYTHING THAT FEELS GOOD IS GOOD.

    77. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And again, no one here has said if it feels good it must immediately be okay to do no questions asked.

      Pay attention please Dwight..

    78. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      About 40% of heterosexual men and women have had anal sex and almost 90% have had oral sex. Lots of heterosexual perverts out there for you to judge, too!

    79. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dwight,I have to say Link is right when he says the cited homosexual activities in that article aren't just limited to homosexuals.Heteros engage in same activities,even eating feces.But that some heteros do it too doesn't make it healthy!

    80. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah...I disagree with heterosexuals involving in sexual activities that can harm them as well. Unnatural and unhealthy isn't partial among people of different sexual orientations. If it sounded like I was saying it was I apologize.

    81. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Harm is substantially minimized by being smart and using protection. I'd say it's more of a safe sex issue than anything.

    82. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds like "grasping" now~.Smoking, drugs, booze, sky diving, Nascar, self mutilation, promiscuity,Unsafe sex~start listing activities potentially UNHEALTHY/Dangerous to the BODY, there's no end.Consequences R ignored.Then what? who? how?

  10. tamarawilhite profile image91
    tamarawilhiteposted 2 years ago

    When someone decides they don't feel like their arm is part of themselves anymore, we don't give them a hack saw - we lock them up and medicate them.
    When an anorexic says they don't like their body image and want to be starvation thin, we don't give them stomach stapling surgery so the body matches the warped mental illness.
    And we shouldn't give someone who is in utter denial of their biological sex surgery to try to match the delusion.

    Dr. Paul McHugh's Wall Street Journal article on this subject:
    Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh … 1402615120

    And before jumping to "It is a civil right", the whole "woman's brain in a man's body" undermines feminism.

    How The Hypersexual Trans Movement Hurts Feminism
    http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/03/how … -feminism/

    1. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hard to accept these days but as it has been for THOUSANDS of years a woman's place is still in the home.

    2. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A woman's place is wherever she wants it to be. Just like a man's.

    3. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A mental illness that denies basic reality that toddlers understand and impulse to remove body parts is a severe mental illness.
      And the equally high suicide rate of transgenders w/ and w/o surgery proves the problem is not fixed with surgery.

    4. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tamara, what's your point?

      The question isn't if having surgery to become transgender fixes the problem.

      That's probably a whole other ball game in its own right.

    5. ElvisaM profile image81
      ElvisaMposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tamara. Could it be that the high suicide rates are a direct result of bullying and not being accepted by people like...you?

    6. profile image60
      William PenicheJrposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A woman is a woman, and a man is a man. A woman is to look like a man. Every culture and religion in the world say that if you're guy, that's wrong. Nature also clearly states that as well. Very good argument. I totally agree.

    7. profile image0
      Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kevin Graham... How offensively sexist can you get?

    8. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sometimes HubPages Answers is like stepping into a time machine and ending up in a mosaic of the most ignorant periods in human history. Reading this comment thread is one of those times.

    9. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "We don't give them a hack saw - we lock them up and medicate them." Only because hacksaws are cheap while pharmaceuticals are big business. As soon as the money runs dry they put them out on the street without even a hacksaw.

  11. profile image58
    Parul14posted 2 years ago

    It's not about the society. This decision should be yours and you should not bear about what others are going to think about you. Gender is decided by genes of a man only not by woman and after birth if u think u want to change your gender than i think yoy should go for it,

  12. profile image61
    peter565posted 2 years ago

    Well, if you want to of course, you can change, although I u must be pretty f***ed up in the head if you want to change, especially from male to female. But if somebody want to change, why not? Are they hurting anybody, no they are not.

    1. ElvisaM profile image81
      ElvisaMposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So changing from female to male would be better?

    2. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think it's from the perspective that a guy has to hack off mini me, while a woman doesn't.

      Though I don't particularly know what's involved if female to male was the case.

    3. ElvisaM profile image81
      ElvisaMposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      lol. I see... Yeah, I'm sure an extra leg would be just as painful.

    4. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is becoming grotesque & much too graphic. Please tone it down a bit.Must we include surgical procedures? OP! GET this thread BACK ON TRACK.It's UR responsibility. This thing has gone way off track in several bizarre directions.Stick to TOPIC

    5. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Bruce Jenner still has something Chastity Bono wants. 
      Not sure what our First Ladyboy has?

    6. jlpark profile image85
      jlparkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Female to male involves more extensive lower surgery - as a penis can be used for MTF to create the folds etc of vag, but has to be created for FTM from abdo skin etc. still a huge step to take. Some Cis-males think MTF is mad, bcus of 'chopping'

    7. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm still pissed at my parents for having part of my penis cut-off when I was a mere eight days old.  I did a term-paper in college titled "Circumcision: A Solution in Search of a Problem".

    8. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sgt. Prepper, I agree about male circumcision. My son is not circumcised nor will he be unless he decides that he wants to have that done. I did know one adult who had the procedure for cosmetic reasons. He regretted it.

    9. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus also said "Let he who is uncircumcised remain uncircumcised!" I blame it on the Catholics and hospitals looking for more easy money from health insurance.

    10. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It does affect others when a mentally ill man in a dress walks into the women's bathroom, demanding that they all give up their right to privacy to suit his delusion.
      And then it happens in the changing rooms, the showers, women's only spaces ...

    11. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My transgendered friend looks like a man and you'd never know he was born a girl if he didn't tell you. No one in a men's bathroom has a clue he's not a man. He's attracted to women so being in a man's change room doesn't mean he's eyeing up dudes.

    12. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm, well if "he" is attracted to women and being a woman why would "he" prefer the men's rest room over the women's? That makes no sense but then neither does wanting to pretend you're a man when you are a woman.

    13. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Might just be me, but the bathrooms I use tend to have these nifty things called stalls for privacy.

      If my sneaky totally legal but not really spy cameras have told me anything over the years, women's bathrooms have private stalls as well.

    14. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There are quite honestly very few things I care less about than if the person peeing in a stall next to me has a vagina or not. Not once have I seen anyone's genitals in a public bathroom.

    15. TuHuynh profile image60
      TuHuynhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      hm,,, i don't like that think.

    16. jlpark profile image85
      jlparkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don;t know about the rest of you, but when I'm in the bathroom - I'm not looking at any1 else. Those of you worried about trans people "looking" at you or yrs, what exactly do YOU do in the bathroom to make u think others would be doing the same?

    17. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The pieces fall into place...

    18. peterstreep profile image81
      peterstreepposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is all really incredible macho mentality. Bathroom problems....
      A mentally ill man in a dress...scuse me but I have a transgender friend as well and he is an intelligent, sensitive woman who plays very good saxophone.  Nothing wrong with that!

  13. Barine Sambaris profile image77
    Barine Sambarisposted 2 years ago

    We all have the right to do whatever we want with our bodies, but no matter what we should draw the line somewhere. A person's gender is a core essence of that person, and somebody can just change that? If all the moral values we hold  dear are tarnished before our very eyes, what do we have to pass on to the next generation?

    1. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What gives you the right to draw a line regarding someone else's  body? It's THEIR body, not yours. It doesn't  concern you in any way shape or form! If they want three legs, that does not concern you. Mind your own body.

    2. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What exactly is immoral about changing your gender? You kind of just threw that in there completely out of the blue.

    3. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link- I'd imagine because some view it as against "God's will." As in, God made this person male for a reason. Why not ask if all medicine and  surgery is against God's will, though? Probably because Christians want their appendix out.

  14. Michaela Osiecki profile image78
    Michaela Osieckiposted 2 years ago

    This is where it becomes VERY CLEAR that no one in here even understands what it means to be transgender. People who identify as trans aren't 'changing' their gender - they're changing their bodies to adapt to how they identify on a deeper level. Gender is a social construct anyways and one's genitalia does not determine gender. Even if we look deeper into the "science" behind biological sex, we realize that's not so cut and dried either - otherwise we wouldn't have the crazy (and common!) xy chromosome mutations that exist or people who are born intersex. A lot of people are designated a certain sex at birth and then later in life find out there chromosomes don't even match that sex!

    Being trans is very different for each individual. Not every trans person has the desire (or the socioeconomic ability) to physically transition. Not every trans person fits neatly into the male-female binary either. Gender is a complex thing and there is a whole range of gender expressions - all of them valid. People deserve to be happy and living in a manner that feels most true to who they are. Anyone who would say otherwise is a bigot.

    1. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They are judgemental bigots who choose to be ignorant of the factors surrounding sexuality and humanity. They think transgendered people must apologize to their god for being born. What hypocrits. Thank you for your clarity of thought here.

    2. jonnycomelately profile image83
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And being trans-gender has nothing inherently to do with being homosexual.
      There is only one common factor - we are both misunderstood and discriminated against by the ignorant religious bigot.

    3. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Alllan, I think you got that backwards, from what I've read of your comments about Christianity YOU are the bigot, an anti Christian bigot.

    4. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You betcha' TSAD those who scream against "haters" the loudest are the least tolerant.

    5. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sgt.So telling of U to admit UR a Hater. A hater of the worse kind as U "claim" UR Christianity. What a pathetic moron. Not a single soul has the need to be "tolerated" by the likes of you. U R simply LOST. How dare U judge & condemn. U R a nobod

    6. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Paula, no need to bite my head off, I'm just the messenger here sounding the alarm that Kenyan-born Obama is the Antichrist & that goofy Jesuit pope is the False Prophet(aka Peter-the-Roman).

    7. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U have repeated that same asinine statement several annoying times. Get some new smut material~your old act has become nauseatingly boring. We GET IT! You hate Obama & the Pope. Aren't you special? U don't have a message. U spew garbage.

  15. fpherj48 profile image76
    fpherj48posted 2 years ago

    Your question asks if a person has "the right" to change his or her gender.
    Quite obviously they HAVE THE RIGHT (legally & medically) since thousands undergo this surgery in many places throughout the world.

    Transgender is still much of a mystery to the average lay person. As with anything that the general public is not fully educated on, the reaction is usually negative (aversion, confusion,) 

    These individuals feel (claim they are certain) they were born in the opposite body of the gender they TRULY are.  If they can financially afford such expensive surgery, they may make the decision to do so.

    This is a personal, individual and private decision that is not the business nor concern of anyone else, nor should it be.  Speaking of "rights" (your word) absolutely NO ONE has the right to suggest to a transgender whether or not they can or cannot~~ should or should not have the transformation surgery.

    Get yourselves a hobby or maybe a LIFE and keep your opinions, beliefs and narrow minds OUT of the personal lives of others.  Focus on your own issues.  No one needs to be interested in what you have to say.  Leave others to their own choices and be on your way.

    1. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you, Paula. The amount of hypocritical druggies, borderline illiterate posters and completely ignorant people trying to tell others what to do is just absurd. Get their own lives together and then maybe they get an opinion we'll take seriously.

  16. PeterStip profile image73
    PeterStipposted 2 years ago

    genetics aren't always that strait forward. You can look like a woman but your chemistry is that of a men and vice versa. Actually all human life starts as a women and during the development of the foetus it changes normally spoken into a man or not.
    Today people who feel trapped in the wrong body have the possibility to change their gender. We can heal diseases and anomalies of the body with surgery. So why not change the gender if it makes the person more happy.
    What is the difference between breast implants and gender change? Or a tattoo for that matter. In both cases you change the body. So please don't be to judgmental about it and leave God out of the question (a body given to you and not to be altered etc.)

  17. ElvisaM profile image81
    ElvisaMposted 2 years ago

    Because there is no proof that God does or does not exist, it is logical to say that the x or y chromosome is responsible for the gender difference. I am just a person. You are just a person. A mere speck in the endless universe. What would give me the right to judge someone or tell them how to live their life? I think that the beauty of freedom is that everyone can and should be able to decide for themselves how they feel, what they do, how they live their lives or how they look like as long as they are not physically harming anyone else in the process.

    1. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Elvisa, I think you are correct in every way. One caveat, we don't want people to harm themselves either. But again, it's their body and if they don't want to live in it, it's up to them.

    2. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      suicide?

    3. ElvisaM profile image81
      ElvisaMposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Austin.

    4. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Dwight.

    5. ElvisaM profile image81
      ElvisaMposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Suicide suggests that you need/ needed mental help to prevent the unfortunate. Suicide is not a way of life as living transgender is.

    6. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Suicide is a valid choice for people who do not want to live in their bodies. It's  not a good choice, but that decision is up to the individual, it's not up to anyone else. We might choose to be of help, but their body belongs to them.

    7. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Satan is the father of lies and author of confusion.

    8. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Satan is neither. He doesn't exist, so....

  18. lisavollrath profile image96
    lisavollrathposted 2 years ago

    I think, for the sake of argument, we have to take God out of this discussion, since not everyone agrees there is one.

    The idea that something makes someone male or female is simplistic. Many things combine to make up gender, and there are more than just those two choices. Some people are agender, or gender fluid. Transgender just happens to be the term we use for someone born with the genetalia of one gender, and the thoughts and feelings that they are another. They are trapped in a body that doesn't match who they are. It's just a packaging issue---change the package, and that person feels whole.

    You ask if one has the right to change his or her gender. What right do we have to decide that for someone else? Why on earth would you want to make someone live in the wrong body? It's nobody's business but the person in question, and his or her doctors. Many, many doctors, because this isn't something that you just wake up one morning, and decide to do. There's a lot of medical and psychological counseling before a person can go through the series of operations to complete their transition. It's a long, painful, expensive, exhausting process. If someone is willing to go through that process to be the person they believe they were mean to be, it's not my place to tell them no.

    1. profile image60
      William PenicheJrposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Then look at other religions. All transgenders attack the people who believe in Christianity. Why not look at every other religion in the world. Does any of them give transgenders the right to change their bodies or be gay? Most certainly not.

    2. profile image0
      Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      William Peniche Jr, please do not speak for me. I am a trans person who certainly does NOT attack people for their Christian beliefs. Don't generalise.
      NOT all trans people are anti-Christian, and not all Christians are anti-Trans.

    3. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      and furthermore....Who the HELL looks to a "religion" to give them the right to do anything?  Religions need to stay inside their churches, mosques & synagogues.....Don't call us, we'll call you.

    4. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      William Peniche Jr. Or maybe God gave them the right. Doesn't the Bible say if thy eye offends thee pluck in out? Well, what if thy sexual organs offend thee? Maybe sexual reassignment can make someone less offended and closer to God?

    5. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      William, I suggest you try educating yourself. Try this:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgend … d_religion
      Transgender and gender variant people ARE accepted in quite a few world religions. Don't assume all share your narrow views.

    6. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The problem with your comments W & L is Christianity is not a religion but the plan of God, everyone's creator&Christianity IS accepting of sinners but NOT the sin.Christ dined with sinners&prostitutes He did not come to call the righteou

    7. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TSAD, only Christians believe that Christianity is the plan of God. Muslims don't. Jews don't. Buddhists don't. I don't. It's a religion, just like Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism. If you want to believe otherwise. fine. Not all do.

    8. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It ALL comes down to this: Where will YOU spend eternity? In Heaven with the virgin-born Son of God, Jesus the Christ OR in Hell with the Kenyan-born son of a porn-star Obama the Antichrist & his False Prophet Jesuit Pope Francis?

    9. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Obama all the way, man.

    10. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lisa you are wrong but Satan agrees with u.No religion makes the claims of Christianity,no religion has a documented savior who lived a sinless life. https://philippians1v21.wordpress.com/w … -religion/

    11. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Obama's the son of a porn star?

      Learn something new everyday...

    12. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link..consider the twisted source. Snap out of it. The woman had a wild streak. I've never seen nor heard a single thing about porn star activities.Sgt lives in his own sick fantasy world. He uses anything to spew filth & hatred. He's so special.

    13. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link,u haven't seen pics of Obama's mother on DVD 'Dreams From My Real Father'? I haven't seen it, alleges that Barack's real father is left wing poet&Communist party activist Frank Davis& that his mom's marriage was a 'sham' to cover it up

    14. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link..I won't get into details here. All U need do is google Obama's Mother. She had a PhD in anthropology, was raised  by a proper & educated family. Some hater of Obama wrote a take on BO's book & "alleged" BO's mother "posed for nude pics.

    15. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, so his mom posed for some racy photos. That contributes to him being the anti-Christ along with his (alleged) being born in Kenya? How does that logic work?

    16. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh there is more! Not saying I buy it but is fascinating and knowing what I know about BO, well It wouldn't surprise me if it was all true! http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news597 … ather.html

    17. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't particularly take it seriously nor do I care all that much to verify.

      The Antichrist card was a bit of a red flag there...

    18. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I missed that, The Antichrist card? Where was that in the website I gave?

    19. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kevin said it earlier. I tend to ignore most of what anyone says if they go around calling people the Antichrist...

    20. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Imagine how things would be going for birther-Trump if his mother had been a porn-model!

    21. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well Sir "T" ~~As U know, I'm no B.O. fan, but I do have a brain & common sense. I went to the link U gave. It reads like more contrived, fictitious, spiteful, outrageous sensationalism CRAP than if it was from a SMUT Rag periodical! Pure BULL.

    22. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Still not seeing how having a porn star for a mother somehow would mean Obama is the Antichrist, or anything negative really.

      If only my tin foil hat wasn't in the shop...

    23. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link..There is NO connection except in the pea brains of those who R obsessed w/ smear tactics. Clearly such trash had no effect on 2 elections.IMO, attacking family (parents/kids) is the LOWEST level, strictly 4 bottom feeders.I REFUSE 2 stoop.

    24. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Somebody should tell that to Sarah Palin's detractors.

    25. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Paula,it certainly does fit the paradigm of a smear but I still can't get over resemblance of BO to Frank Davis compared to his father&then there is: http://www.obamareleaseyourrecords.com/ … mamas.html

    26. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Doesn't Palin have a daughter whose had 2 premarital children, while both of them advocate for abstinence...

    27. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who is she? Don't know but she doesn't even hold an office anymore, let alone President of the US.

    28. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is absolutely not a scintilla of resemblance between B.O and EITHER ONE OF THOSE MEN.Utterly Nothing! Not a single similar feature, bone structure..ZERO! B.O looks about as much like Davis or B.O Sr. as I do! no resemblance to his MOM either!

    29. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AHA, just as I thought, none of them are his parents, that's why he had to forge a birth certificate. :-) http://www.portablecareerplanning.com/w … r-face.jpg

    30. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      At least several biracial men and one Caucasoid have been named as BHO's biological father.  Without DNA even the usurper himself doesn't know for sure.  Legally the named Kenyan-Brit BHO-Sr is the one that counts.  Biblically BHO's the son of Satan.

    31. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ...so now his father is British?

  19. profile image0
    candyhippieposted 2 years ago

    Gender is the mental counterpart to physical sex and usually reflects physical sex. Gender is not typically subject to a person's conscious control. Transpeople don't change their gender. Rather, they find that their gender is at odds with their physical sex. Some choose to just live as their gender in the way they express their identities (with their names, pronouns, clothes, etc). Many choose hormone therapy to gain the tertiary and secondary sex characteristics of the gender with which they identify. A minority choose to change their sex organs with sexual reassignment surgery, which can be a serious health risk. The primary concern in the whole matter is the health of the affected individual.

  20. iggy7117 profile image80
    iggy7117posted 2 years ago

    I do not feel it is right, I do feel they have the right to do what they want.
    Having it in media and pushed in my face is very wrong. Profiting from it may make people do it for money or glamour. It should be kept out of the media, do people not have rights to not have their young children see this.

    My belief is to each his own, I am not saying to hide it, just don't show it off or brag about it.

    1. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That isn't what cis gender heterosexual people do. We do tend to flaunt out heterosexuality. The media is extremely hetero-normative. Many cis-hetero males seem to brag about sex all the time. A bit hypocritical imposing rules we don't follow.

    2. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What is right and what is wrong. Is bombing a city live on the television (CNN-war Iraq) a right thing to do. Killing people live on tv?
      The media is a money making machine.The juicier the story the better. Don't read the news is a solution.

  21. Gabriel Wilson profile image92
    Gabriel Wilsonposted 2 years ago

    Funny how some people ask that question when infact they aren't really bothered about an answer, and just go on about their lives and think of another question that has no impact on them whatsoever. What do you really think? Seriously: you think a man wants to be a woman because it's all about the spotlight; a man wants his bits cut off just to be what, famous; to be what he wants to be? And a woman, same old. Society is one thing one day and and another thing another day. We don't know! And we never will! Happiness: strive for that. Whatever makes you happy and doesn't hurt others, there you ago. End of.

  22. Misfit Chick profile image74
    Misfit Chickposted 2 years ago

    Does one have the right? Obviously, yes - people do it. I've never heard of any laws against it (in the US, anyway). However, with the image you added, the question should maybe be more along the lines of...

    Does one have the right to change his or her gender after winning multiple Olympic medals, marrying multiple times, fathering children - and being patriarch of one of the most controversial and VAIN families in the entire world?

    I mean, at what point do you become so bored with life that you have nothing better to do but cause another big, Hollywood commotion; and how much money can you make off of it?

    I live in Seattle and know transgendered people. Caitlin 'Bruce' Jenner does not even come close to representing the majority of them - and they do not like 'her'.

    1. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Consider how many people have died before they realized they were gay or living in the wrong body!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image74
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      True. But at the point in life where he made a decision to 'honor' his feelings/gender - what does that say about the choices he made in his past? Were they 'mistakes' because he felt so 'smothered' by society? He/she lives in an accepting city.

    3. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why is it our real names are suddenly so openly bandied about by HubPages?

    4. Misfit Chick profile image74
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Good question. That is the reason why I don't use my real name. I don't even use my real first name. HP has always been a bit glitchy. I don't entirely trust them. smile

    5. profile image60
      William PenicheJrposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What in the world does living in the wrong body even mean?! You're a male or a female. You have male and female hormones that make you want to do male and female things. Would you want to say to your parents face and say Why didn't you make me a girl

    6. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine..You hit on something VERY vital. Jenner is not representative of the trans community. For 65 yrs, he lived his life as man, married to women & being a DAD. An OLYMPIC ATHLETE. How much more macho does it get? Then BOOM, he's suddenly N

    7. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The only reason Jenner waited so long to become a woman is he didn't want to go through menopause.  Plus now he can remain legally married to his wife of the same sex.

    8. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Prepper...I get that U think UR funny, but UR not at all. When UR not saying something ignorant, you're being nasty & disgusting.  You have a filthy mind & a mouth to match. U give Christians a really bad rep!  Grow up. U sound like a PUNK!

    9. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mohammed actually married a nine-year-old girl.

    10. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kevin, why have you ignored Paula's comment? I think it is deserving of a sincere reply, not a smug unrelated comment. Really, if you are a Christian why not either explain or show some humility and apologize for what to her seems offensive?

    11. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is all quite serious really as we ARE living in the "last days" and can expect The Rapture at any moment.  Crash of the dollar, world war, civil unrest, martial-law, RFID-chips & FEMA camps are right around the corner.  I hate Big Brother Obam

    12. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank U, "T", but I truly don't want an apology. I don't want him to address me directly. His crass, vulgar, insults & snide comments about people he does not know & his judgmental attitude proves to all of us, he only CLAIMS to be Christian.

    13. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sgt. Pepper are you still in the marines and have that macho education or did you actually learn something in life.
      Back to the question. Ever wondered why you have female nipples? Man don't breastfeat or do you? A womans character in a mans body.

    14. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know about you Peter but my nipples don't look anything like a woman's.

    15. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is why it's so frustrating having to defend Caitlyn Jenner, who is a horrible representation of the trans community and often very antagonistic towards it, despite her ability to provide representation. But people understand soo little.

    16. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I feel no obligation nor need to DEFEND Caitlin in particular. The question would have better responded to w/o the picture of Jenner! That was Lolita's sneaky move. Jenner's capable of defending himself  Oops  HERself.

    17. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The fact that youve got niples TSAD is that you started our as a women Including niples and reproductive organ only after 60 days testosteron kicks in and makes you a men if all goes to plan. But nature is not always that straight forward.

    18. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Patently false peter(as usual with u)It is the male sperm that determines the sex of the fetus.It's pretty basic genetics,I'd suggest a search using the terms gamete influence,sex embryology,sexual genetics.Your"theory"is totally unproven.

    19. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes it's the sperm that determines the gender but only after a few weeks when the testosterone comes into play. But the actual blueprint by mammals is female. In terms of hormones we start as a female.
      It is not that black and white at all.

  23. kblover profile image90
    kbloverposted 2 years ago

    Society is always correct? Um, no. And not just with gender issues. History is filled with examples of societies doing stupid/wrong stuff, even if they "thought" at the time it was "right". Heck, just go back to the slavery period in the USA, and then segregation, 3/5 rule, women not "capable enough" to vote, etc.

    As far as the whole gender issue...why is it okay to change other parts of your body (all of you is determined by genetics, etc., hair color, body type, eye color, nose shape), but changing gender or even your physical sex "going too far"? I can change my nose and that's "okay", but if I wanted to adopt a female body (I'm a male), then "OMG NO THAT IS WRONG".

    More like society is always subjective and biased. Of course, "society" is just made up of individuals, who are often subjective and biased.

    And even if it's a "sin" to change your sex/gender, (most) religions (alive in the USA) also preach that God can forgive sins. So even in THAT light, ostracizing, persecuting, or bullying people that make these choices is not "Godlike". Those same religions preach that God loves all. No where is the caveat "as long as you retain your birth sex and fit the gender role the society you live in says you should fit".

    It's one thing to say "I disagree", especially if asked, but it's another to be demeaning and so forth.

    It's more like just another variation on "I don't like it, therefore it should not exist" and they wrap it in (a likely misunderstanding of) their religion to justify it.

    Nature, credited to God/greater powers in most religions, is a funny thing sometimes. Sometimes our human minds don't grasp it because it doesn't "fit the patterns". That doesn't make nature wrong, it just shows limitations in the mind and our knowledge that need to be overcome.

  24. profile image38
    gopiborugaddaposted 2 years ago

    if govt recognizes third gender, then there is no issue.
    don't show partiality on them, who changes gender.
    anyone have freedom & right to do any legal things.

  25. Besarien profile image87
    Besarienposted 2 years ago

    If God is upset with a person for changing sexes he can death-smite and judge that person before I can even type this answer. To me as a Christian. that is one of those things like abortion or divorce that is strictly between an individual and his or her own belief system/religion/conscience/soul. If my God cares one way or another on that topic then I trust God completely to take whatever actions need to be taken. "Judge not lest ye be judged" puts me in my place as a Christian and believer in God's will. My place as I understand it, is to love everyone regardless or their sins. That is a tough enough job for me. Until I am really good at that, I don't deserve any more responsibility.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image74
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I love this answer. This is what *I* consider to be a really good Christian attitude - and it includes love regardless of 'sin' along with TRUST in God. This should be a 'normal' Christian response; but as it stands so alone - it is brilliant. Thanks

    2. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      DITTO  !! and Amen.  Besarian.....You're a real example of what Christianity is.  What Christ means for it to be.  Bless you.

    3. profile image60
      William PenicheJrposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There's nothing Christianly about any of you views. Abortion is plainly murdered. You would have been killed if you were aborted. If you really read the bible, then you'd know that means you would be judged at the same level which it state next.

    4. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Haven't gotten to the part yet, but didn't God perform abortions himself by ripping babies out the womb or something...

    5. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Any way you slice it abortion is the taking of innocent human-life for selfish reasons.

    6. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I hope Kevin you've learned your lesson. Link knows all about God and though he believes God is a fairy tale, his words, he is quick to invoke a fairy tale to make his argument. If he knew  anything about God he'd be shaking in his boots.

    7. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I was talking to William who mentioned something about actually reading the Bible, which means to me he takes it seriously.

      Then I mentioned something that is in the bible which he should also take seriously to see his view. See how that works Tsad?

    8. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thething is Link you know nothing of what is in the Bible,as evidenced by the fact you believe it is a fairy tale.If Kevin is so stupid as to believe a fairy tale logic does not dictate that you use a fairytale to convince him otherwise.

    9. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I guess. We'll just ignore the multitude of former (devout) christians now atheists who literally spent a portion of their life reading and studying the Bible and just say they knew nothing about it either.

      Perfect sense.

    10. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Multitude?  You are delusional! The Multitudes are on the side of believing in God and the Bible. Only 2 percent of the general population identifies as atheist and the vast majority of them have not seriously studied the Bible. Delusional

    11. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know why you thought I meant that in terms of a majority, rather than just alot of people.

      It is funny you seem capable of speaking about other people's knowledge on the sole basis of them not agreeing with you about god though.

    12. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I suggest you look up the meaning of multitude.by any measure what you said is not a multitude as I demonstrated a fraction of2% is not a multitude compared to believers who are a multitude,I never said anything about majorities,Payattention

    13. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Have you read the bible cover to cover, Tsad? If you did, you may become part of that multitude....

    14. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Then its a good thing I wasn't comparing the number of atheists to theists.

      Multitude - a large number/a large number of people.

      2% of 318 million people is 6 million.

      Damn, you're right Tsad, 6 million sure is a small standalone number.

    15. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've read the Bible&I study it which is something I know you do not do.Anyone can read &get nothing from what is read especially if they don't believe what they are reading.Moreintelligent people than uorI believe it,ushd listen why they do.

    16. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As a born-again believer for over 37yr I just took my wife to see "Risen" today and found no fault with it.  Much better than "Noah" or "Gods & Kings".  Nicholas Cage in " Left Behind" was pretty good.

    17. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Does that apply to those more intelligent than us who do not believe?

    18. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link,a stupid person(since you like that word so much)knows statistics are relative.To reference a tiny fraction of 6 million people as a multitude against hundreds of millions who believe in God doesn't win your debate,it demonstrates delusion.

    19. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mmkay.

      Guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't comparing the number to anything, though even if I was it still wouldn't change the fact that 6 million is still considered a "large number" and falls under the definition of multitude...

    20. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Guess you missed the part where I demonstrated that your "multitude" doesn't have a chance in hell of proving any point you were trying to make when it is meaningless in terms of numbers of atheists vrs numbers of believers in God.

    21. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sure sure, you da boss Tsad.

      Should I busy myself pretending I didn't have to correct you about the meaning of words and numbers and talk about something else then? Nice weather these days.

    22. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You know what's wrong with you Link. Atheists don't have no songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmwAD7nHqaY

    23. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Darn, ya got me.

      I'll just have to rely on atheist comedians and philosophers to fill the atheist musical void...

    24. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The 2009 American Religious Identification Survey reported that up the 18.4% of americans are atheists, agnostics, or unsure on the existence of god. Some other surveys suggest that up to 9% of the WORLD population is irreligious.

      So much for 2%..

    25. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Just because all your friends think it would be a good idea to jump off a building doesn't make it a good idea.  Jesus Christ is Lord of all forever.  He will give you a whole new life, forgiveness & eternal salvation. Ephesians 6:12

    26. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      BM,do u always interject smoke&mirrors into discussions?We were discussing Links's "multitude of former...Christians now atheists who,,,spent...their life reading&studying the Bible"a minuscule fraction of atheists,not agnostics or confused.

    27. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Considering that about 60 years ago the majority of americans professed a Christian faith, these modern atheists had to come from somewhere. It is not likely that only 2% of these american atheists were subject to Christian influence.

    28. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try BM,just ignore the straw man you raised& raise another.I guarantee you "former(devout)Christians"(Link's words)who leave the faith for atheism aren't any multitude&likely don't even exist.Devotees would never forsake Christ.

    29. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "No one knows a person's heart, only god so when it comes to whether or not he's a Christian who are you (or I) to make that judgement? Where do you draw the line?" -Tsad quote.

      ...well that flip flop was quick.

    30. Capernius1 profile image60
      Capernius1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "...Judge not lest ye be judged..." comes from the old testament & you are taking it slightly out of context...I say again, SLIGHTLY.

      It was meant for Christians not to judge those that are not saved by GOD.

    31. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All I was trying to say was that a lot of atheists were former christians, and that "a lot more than 2%" came from a Christian upbringing. And it's safe to say that that number could be considered a "multitude". That's all.

    32. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      BM,oh really that's all you wanted to say?Well what do you base that on?Is there a poll?a study?Do you interview people&ask questions to verify they even know what a Christian is to start with?U wouldn't know a Christian if God introduced you

    33. sleepylog profile image94
      sleepylogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with Catherine, your answer is the best answer any Christian could have given.

    34. jonnycomelately profile image83
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes is everything that each of you understands, right now, the sum of everything you need to know, complete and set in stone, final, unquestionable?
      Or are you open to knew knowledge?

    35. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Capernius- The OT is  the Torah. If it was "meant" for anyone it was meant for Jews. But this quote is from Matthew 7 from N T I'd say the meaning is clear. It doesn't say Judge not other Christians. You interpret it however you like, though.

    36. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Johnny come lately, based on the rants I've seen of yours I'd think you are the one who should be asking yourself that question.

  26. Beer Pong profile image44
    Beer Pongposted 2 years ago

    Personally, I don't understand what would cause someone to decide to change gender / sex. But, I have to admit, as long as you are not harming anyone else, you can do whatever you want to do. It would be somewhat foolish of me to reprimand someone for an action that affects me in no way. It's like me judging someone for drinking apple juice instead of orange juice!

  27. modernalchemyst profile image95
    modernalchemystposted 2 years ago

    Of course they do. Gender is a societal construct, it's not the same thing as physical sex. You can't change whether you are male, female or intersexed, but you can change your gender (social presentation, physical appearance, etc.) Gender is very heavily influenced by hormones, and research very strongly suggests that transgender people are experiencing a physical divergence in brain sex to one degree or another due to hormonal glitches in the womb. It's not some mystical imaginary thing like people make it out to be, and honestly, a lot of transgender people see themselves as men or women born with a birth defect, and getting SRS and undergoing hormone therapy is no different from getting surgery to fix a cleft palate.

    I don't personally think Caitlyn Jenner is a good representative of what it means to be transgender (she claims not to have dysphoria and has expressed some very superficial ideas about womanhood that I personally find offensive as a transgender person who has chosen not to transition and a female, downplays how difficult it is for non-millionare trans folk to pass, etc.), but whatever, she has the right to do what she wants. I just wish she wasn't trumped out as "the transgender person," because that's not accurate.

    Why don't people spend more time improving your own life instead of picking on people who already get the bottom of the barrel in every aspect of society? I guess some people need that to feel important, but at least be against something you understand and have researched.

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't understand the birth defect ploy.Why would anyone think a birth defect means they were born with the wrong genitals when I would think the obvious explanation,if you want to go down the defect road,would be a defect in the brain.

    2. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are you aware that the brain is part of the body? Transgender people have a different "brain map" of their bodies, which leads to dysphoria. If you had actually read a study on something you claim to know so much about...

    3. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Actually you just  agreed with me. You are saying the defect is in the brain not the genitals, so what is your problem, evidently you are agreeing with me while condescendingly criticizing not mine but your own analysis. Make some sense!

    4. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Actually no, you just understand the science so poorly that you think that's what's happening. Read a journal, it's not my job to explain brain mapping in 250 characters or less.

    5. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I suggest you examine your own brain first.

    6. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Considering the fact that I have a well-paying job, 2 degrees and can read journal articles without getting a headache, and hobbies more productive than picking on trans people, I think it's fine. smile

    7. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LOL well that says so much for the education system. When you need to boast credentials to make up for obvious shortcoming in your reasoning abilities I need not labor any points though I assure you I can top any credentials you may have.

    8. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Whatever makes you feel like your opinion matters, pal.

    9. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "T". . What's the matter w/U? Pls remember WHO & what U R & apologize to this woman 4 BULLYING. I can't believe what I'm reading. Stop it. This is painful. PLEASE "T" tell Josephine UR sorry...

    10. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Paula, I'm surprised at you, this woman should be apologizing to me. "If you had actually read a study on something you claim to know so much about." "you just understand the science so poorly" Insults before I uttered a word about her brain.

    11. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sigh..I don't know Josephine.  I know U & expect better of U. This is about Gender!  U R the MAN....step up and be one!  There's no crying at HP!

    12. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dear Josephine,it appears someone for whom I have great respect has brought to my attention that I am behaving towards u  in a bullying manner.Upon reflection&deep introspection I have concluded that she is right&so I offer my humble apology.

  28. profile image0
    Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 2 years ago

    Firstly I will declare my interest as a proud trans woman.
    Secondly I will declare my interest as a proud Spiritualist.
    If we were not meant to be able to correct (this is what trans people do) our gender, God would not have given  human kind the ability to do so.

    1. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amen! Who is anyone else to try to stop what God could if He wanted to? By and large, transgender people are better off after transition. Not that it's anyone's business, but that should be enough!

    2. Phil The Gain profile image64
      Phil The Gainposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That makes no sense.

    3. profile image0
      Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And you do, Phil? How is that?

    4. Kylyssa profile image96
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      People get their physical imperfections and birth defects corrected all the time. Nobody hassles people born without external ears for getting surgeries to construct ears nor do they bother people born with useless extra digits who have them removed.

    5. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So you are likening your gender at birth to a birth defect? Then we all might be born with a gender birth defect but won't know until we decide we have it?

    6. Kylyssa profile image96
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I think sex is a birth defect for people who are transgender. The most important part of a person, the person part of a human being, resides between the ears, not the legs. I lucked out and got a matching brain and body, not everyone is lucky.

    7. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting,so if I decide my arm is a birth defect,say my brain tells me I should have been born with wings,you'd be all for me cutting it off.I appreciate that kind of support,you are so empathetic.Others might say the defect is in my brain

    8. peterstreep profile image81
      peterstreepposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tsad if you can scientifically proof that you're arm is a birth defect then yes you could change your arm into wings and fly to the moon.

    9. Kylyssa profile image96
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If a woman were simply a man with her arm chopped off, your argument might make sense. A woman is a whole and complete person just like a man is and vice versa.

    10. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And youPScan scientifically prove gender is a birth defect?(then we all have a birth defect if we whim to claim it?)no difference.That is the question that requires an answer not your spin on it.Kylyssa I've shown you make no sense,whatsoever

    11. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Read some science about the subject and you will understand that what we call male or female isn't that straight forward. We all start in the womb as females and during the process of becoming a male a lot can happen. Transgender is not brain problem

    12. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Really peter? I have and although different etiologies have been suggested as the cause of transgender identity NONE have been proven definitively.That's why you haven't provided anything to back up what you just said. Nice try.

    13. profile image60
      William PenicheJrposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Firstly, you're undermining God.
      Secondly, He clearly states where ones place is in once their gender is set.
      Thirdly, He said he gave mankind over to their lusts and wants and free will.
      Fourthly, He said he will judge sinners on judgement day.

    14. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Of course non have been proven because transgender is not a disease. Just like homosexuality is not a disease. And thus does not belong to the field of etiologies.

      William I do not believe in God so to me you're statements are false.

    15. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Peter you don;t have a clue about what you are saying.  Etiologies aren't diseases, it is the study of the cause or reason for anything like the reason for transgender. Really every time you open your mouth you demonstrate your ignorance.

    16. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The cemeteries are full of the the bodies of people who just didn't live long enough to realize they were gay and/or transgender.

    17. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In medicine, etiology refers to the many factors coming together to cause an illness. It is normally the focus of epidemiological studies.
      Source wiki.

    18. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It does not only refer to medicine and since we weren't talking about diseases why would you choose that interpretation - I'll tell you why, because I'm right and you have to find some way to make it look like you are right, transparently the case.

  29. Phil The Gain profile image64
    Phil The Gainposted 2 years ago

    Dang Bruce Jenner dressed up like a woman is hideous. What is that? Some folks just don't have any self control.

    1. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But Phil, whatever do you mean, no self control? It appears that;s precisely what Kaitlin/Bruce did~~TOOK CONTROL OF HER TRUE SELF. How do we judge the mind, heart & soul of another? We shouldn't. WHY do you?

    2. Besarien profile image87
      Besarienposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It must have been tough to win gold at the Olympic decathlon and break three world records with no self-control.

    3. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Phil,come on...Some women dressed up like a woman are hideous,what's that have to do with anything otherthan beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Had you never known Bruce Jenner&saw"Caitlyn"I doubt you'd have the same reaction.

    4. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The person whose entire blog is devoted to drugs talks about self-control... ugh. Hypocrisy and irony abound.

    5. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LOL well Josephine, you just explained a whole lot!

    6. Phil The Gain profile image64
      Phil The Gainposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      I meant self control in the fact that you are trying to be something that is abnormal. Sometimes I have shady thoughts and what ifs about various things, however self control is something that is needed to not act out on things that are silly.

    7. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      You're implying that people should hide themselves because you think someone embracing something that makes them different than you is "silly"? I'd say you have control issues of your own.

    8. Phil The Gain profile image64
      Phil The Gainposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      So Aime, you act on all your thoughts and impulses that you know aren't right? Bruce Jenner is an effed up dude. I'm sure he still questions himself daily every time he looks at his penis. Note: He has a penis. That dude is nuts.

    9. B M Gunn profile image61
      B M Gunnposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      And why do you get to decide that being transgender isn't "right"?

    10. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      I think you'd find that transgendered people felt transitioning was the only thing that WAS right for them.  It's not something they do on a whim in a lapse of judgment.

    11. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 24 months agoin reply to this

      Finding it a little odd Phil how you are equating the shady thoughts you have about whatever to being on the same level as becoming transgender.

      I don't think projection usually looks like this, but im no expert on the matter...

    12. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 24 months agoin reply to this

      Oh..but Link...you've just proven yourself an expert on projection, aka "transference" as known to we legitimate professionals.  Welcome aboard!

    13. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 24 months agoin reply to this

      Mmm...the definition I'm reading doesn't seem to apply at all to my intended barb that has no real meaning behind it.

      I donts understandz paula

    14. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 24 months agoin reply to this

      OK..projection/transference: behavior of a finger point at another 4 the precise fault, shortcoming, fantasy, "desire" U have. What DID u mean? I suppose I read it with a clinical slant. Sorry...U were clever & didn't even know it??  LOL

    15. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 24 months agoin reply to this

      Well if anything it was to attempt to point out that that's what Phil was doing...

      What hes said so far just brings to mind the anti gay people and such who rant and rail against homosexuality, yet are found with male hookers in bathroom stalls...

    16. Phil The Gain profile image64
      Phil The Gainposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      Woah there Link! I have never been caught in a bathroom stall with a guy. On another note, Of course anybody can do what they want with their body. I just think some things shouldn't be pumped up like it's freakin' amazing. It's all an agenda.

    17. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 24 months agoin reply to this

      Well by contrast then it's hard to imagine those demonizing it have any less of an agenda...Though I'm not entirely what hidden purpose is behind letting someone choose they want to change has.

  30. annasmom profile image78
    annasmomposted 2 years ago

    Something about our own front porches...

  31. Oztinato profile image70
    Oztinatoposted 2 years ago

    As long as they let people know what kind of family jewels are available prior to a date cuz it's very very weird assuming that no one cares about that. It could cause serious adverse reactions. There are cases of people getting violently upset for example or maybe throwing up. It's morally wrong to lead a person up the garden path if they think they're getting a burger but it's really a hot dog. Do you get my drift? Should I have said that? In other words I couldn't care less if people are gay, bi or transform their gender.
    It's their choice. It's not the choice of a gender bender to try to fool another person. Many people have real biological issues and hormonal imbalances but they can't expect others to be cool about little or big surprises in the bedroom. Other than that the topic for most people not directly affected is boring.
    If I have offended anyone on this very sensitive issue please accept my apologies. It must be a very hard road to be on for those suffering gender identity issues.

  32. tsadjatko profile image59
    tsadjatkoposted 2 years ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12887191_f260.jpg

    When you say "Does one have the right...?" what exactly do you mean by "the right?"
    The God given rights referred to in the Declaration of Independence, which says people have “certain unalienable rights” with which we were endowed by our “Creator,” rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

    This undoubtedly would come under the pursuit of happiness and since it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights one can argue yes, one has the right to change his or her gender under the law.

    Frankly, if one is an atheist and believes there is no creator then these certain unalienable rights endowed by our “Creator.” are not endowed by anyone with any power to endow anyone with any rights. So simply stated an atheist's "rights" are whatever they want to say they are, in that sense they are their own creator even though they believe they appeared on earth as the culmination of random chemical reactions which by accident appeared and eventually by chance evolved into what they call themselves, descendants of an apelike creature.

    On the other hand there is the truth which is that there is a creator, an infinite omniscient, omnipresent, just, wise and loving, holy, perfect God of this universe who created mankind in his image. In 1 Corinthians 3:16 and 6:19 the Holy Spirit tells us that each individual person who trusts Jesus Christ to forgive his or her sins is a temple of God and the Holy Spirit dwells within us. If God the Holy Spirit dwells within us, then we are a temple of God – a fleshly one. The body of a Christian is a temple of God the Holy Spirit.

    God warns us in 1 Cor. 6:18-20 that sexual sin is against one's own body. All other sins are outside the body that is, the temple of God.

    So in conclusion, the truth is no matter how you look at it, even God has given us all free will and that means we can basically do whatever we want even if it is against His will, he hasn't created robots. But there is a difference between free will and a right. A right implies that it can be exercised without threat of punishment, persecution or judgement. On earth you may call gender transformation a right of the pursuit of happiness but In the world of the Creator, the I AM, who has revealed himself to us in His Word it is clearly a defilement of the temple of God if that person is a Christian (God help his/her eternal; soul if he/she isn't) and according to his word that is not a right without consequence of judgement.

    1. profile image65
      Zalkinposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is not a Biblical view. This is called greasy grace. Sin is sin.

    2. profile image63
      SanXuaryposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      We can never regulate morality but we have to fight to remain and  to be secular. The argument that we are born to be a certain way always means that those who our born heterosexual have the same argument.

  33. Kylyssa profile image96
    Kylyssaposted 2 years ago

    As an atheist, I think all we have is this life. So what gives me the right to tell someone else what to do in pursuit of happiness in their one and only life if they aren't hurting anyone or trying to control other people? I don't believe it does anything beneficial to make transgender people physically and socially conform to the gender they physically or biologically appear to be.

    What's the net benefit of making someone unnecessarily miserable for their one and only lifetime? You believe they'll get rewarded in Heaven for their suffering after they die if they also believe as you do and break none of the other rules you follow, but I don't. I believe they'll be utterly gone, having lived life miserably on your terms rather than on their own. I see that as a sad waste and a pile of unnecessary suffering. It really makes no sense to be against people living as the gender they are comfortable with unless you believe they'll be tortured forever after they die if they don't.

    "Something" also makes more people who physically or biologically don't fit the strict gender binary exactly than that "something" makes people who are transgender. There are literally more human beings born who have biologically unusual genders than the number of people born who have a psychological mismatch between their physically apparent gender and the gender they identify with. I don't understand why it's so hard to conceive of the idea that some incredibly tiny percentage of the population, far smaller than that percentage biologically or physically outside the strict gender binary, exists who have some brain differences that make them identify with a gender different from the gender the rest of their body appears to have.

    Do you also condemn people who are genetically opposite of the biological gender they naturally appear to be? For instance, a few years ago, a woman athlete who grew up with a vagina she was born with and looks like a woman was discovered to be genetically male after high levels of testosterone were found in her body during anti-doping drug tests. A different woman trying to conceive a child with her husband also discovered she was genetically and internally male while undergoing testing at a fertility clinic. Neither woman has chosen to live as a man after finding out they were not biologically female. Are they guilty of some kind of sin for failing to socially conform to their biology? Or are you fine with it because you can't tell they are male?

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "As an atheist, I think all we have is this life." So that is what you "think", but you must admit it is not necessarily the truth.
      So have you "thought" about, what if what you "think" is not (as a matter of fact it IS NOT) the truth?

    2. Kylyssa profile image96
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If you're right, won't your loving God torture me forever as cruelly as you could want after I die for not thinking He's real? Is it that you can't wait for God to start the torture so you want it to start now for people who don't believe as you do?

    3. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That definitely sounds like paranoia.To begin with it isYOUwho chooses punishment by rejecting God's free gift of eternal life through his son who paid the price forYOURsins.That makes sense even from a sinner's(all are sinners)perspective

    4. Kylyssa profile image96
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There's nothing paranoid about stating that you, TSAD, seem to believe everyone who doesn't think God is real will go to Hell after they die. You don't seem to trust that because you seem to want people punished now for doing things you disagree with

    5. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am merely a messenger,what I said is not what I think,it is the truth as stated in the Word of God.So raise a straw man instead of having an honest discussion,change the subject,&deflect all you want,doesn't change the fact He created u.

  34. reza81 profile image77
    reza81posted 2 years ago

    I think we should not try to change our gender. Because God creates everything in a system. If we try to break this system chain, it will be destructive for us. So my opinion is not to change gender, just change our mind.

  35. RJ Schwartz profile image95
    RJ Schwartzposted 2 years ago

    No - even if someone tries, its really not possible.  Having different parts surgically attached or removed, wearing different clothes, or changing your name doesn't make you biologically another sex.  No argument could convince me differently - DNA is DNA.  What people decide upon to have as "rights" certainly differs from what religious people call "rights" and they differ from what activist groups think should be their "rights."  So lots of opinions will be presented on this topic with some using God as their basis, others say they control their own bodies, and so on.

    1. Dwight Phoenix profile image79
      Dwight Phoenixposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you

  36. MichaelMcNabb profile image80
    MichaelMcNabbposted 2 years ago

    Your question along with providing your own answer makes me want to ignore and skip to something more intelligent but since I am here I have to make my point and then leave.  I feel sorry for transgender people because they carry a lot of pain.  If that anguish can be alleviated through surgery and hormonal therapy than I am afraid I can not judge them in a negative manor regardless how I feel about what they have done.  As for the God part of your question it is clear there isn't an all mighty god of any sort or he wouldn't have made the mistake of assigning someone with the wrong gender.  I mean can't your god manage to do anything right?

    1. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "...can't your god manage to do anything right?" was the best comment I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh!

  37. Greenlily profile image86
    Greenlilyposted 2 years ago

    God never commits mistakes, so no one has the right to change his gender. Because if you do, you are actually saying that God made a mistake when He created you with such gender.

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We live in a fallen world,not the world as God originally created it We see through a glass darkly&can't understand because God's ways are not our ways.If there are mistakes they aren't the consequence of God but of our fallen world.

  38. poetryman6969 profile image64
    poetryman6969posted 2 years ago

    I have the right to call him Bruce forever and demand that every woman's award, club or recognition hence forth be delivered unto human beings born with male genitalia who identify as women!!!!

    1. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      While you do have the right to your opinion, dead-naming Caitlyn Jenner, and attempting your will on women's organizations is a good way to get your posterior handed to you online. Offending trans people and women leaves you with a narrow following.

  39. mariel joyce profile image60
    mariel joyceposted 2 years ago

    No. Why? For example, you are a transwoman. How can you possibly be originated in God's image when he created you as a man? Another one, the batteries. We all know that it will only work if it's on their opposites. They can't be both positive or negative. My point is, It is in the bible, the reality and everything. We have our own differences and He created us uniquely. We shouldn't be taking it for granted. Let's be thankful for what He had given to us. This is our borrowed life and it's up to ourselves on how we can make everything better according to God's will.

    1. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But for those who don't believe in your God, none of those things are relevant. So you want everyone else to live their lives according to your beliefs and not their own?

    2. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Whether you believe in God or not doesn't change anything.  He still created all that is.  Believe on His Son Jesus for eternal life!  Otherwise you will be lost forever like Antichrist Obama & False Prophet Francis.  Get ready for the Rapture!

    3. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's your opinion, not an absolute truth. You can live your life according to your beliefs, let other people live their lives according to theirs. Everyone should have the right to make their own choices w/o someone else's religion interfering.

    4. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's just it Aime,Christianity isn't a religion https://philippians1v21.wordpress.com/w … -religion/ nor an opinion.Knowingthe truth only a sadist would stand by the wayside& not tell u the truth.

    5. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I thank you for your interest in speaking the "truth" to me, but I do not agree with your truth. I think it's my right to decide that for myself, even if you disagree with it. You've had your say, let people do as they will with it.

    6. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You imply by what you say that someone isn't letting you"live ur life according to your opinion."Like how is that?you are free to not listen,I don't get why u couch this as if anyone wants control over your life,it's more like ufear the truth.

    7. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well in the context of this question people are literally saying others don't have the right to live their life a certain way because of THEIR version of the truth. That's not okay.

    8. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Really? That's not OK? I thought that was called freedom of speech. No one is forcing you to listen or behave against your "opinion" of how to live. Like I said sounds like you are afraid of hearing the truth, people in denial are like that.

    9. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Last I checked there were still a whole bunch of people trying to take away the rights of the LGBT community and women in the name of God (ie. their version of the truth). It goes well beyond this conversation & into the real world and no it's no

    10. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So now it's not you denied living according to your opinion you want to rail against u r speaking on behalf of the LGBTs. Really? Can you give me one example where LGBT rights have been taken away  in the name of God in the real world? I'm all ears.

    11. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ever been in Saudi Arabia? Just to suggest that to be gay is ok could sentence you for life,In the name of God and the scripture.
      The church is anti LGBT. The more religious a country is, the more LGBT have problems to be themselves.

    12. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So even Peter can't give 1 example here so he refers to Saudi Arabia?like anyone commenting here lives there?Sounds like a lot of bloviating about a non existent problem.Why is that?Has nothing to do with LGBTs,it's just ur denial of the truth

    13. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What? That's been the topic THE WHOLE TIME! Literally right there in the title of the question.

      I said people *trying* to take away the rights of LGBT. Recent example: Kim Davis & her supporters including Ted Cruz.

    14. PeterStip profile image73
      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tsad you asked for an example of the real world. Not the real US so naming Saudi Arabia is fair. The fact that most religious people object to LGBT rights tells you the relationship between religion and LGBT. Tense.
      Alan Turing comes to mind.

    15. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Aime was not talking about a dictatorship in the middleeast.Really,we're talking about America a Democracy in this real world that respects human rights.You have to pick Saudi Arabia?for that matter why didn't you come up with ISIS.So Lame

    16. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When I was in the Marines during Vietnam it was discovered we had a homosexual in my platoon.  He was loudly ridiculed by our platoon leader, given an undesirable discharge and had to register as a pervert with his hometown police department.

    17. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KG..Do not insult the intelligence of fellow-writers here. Only CONVICTED felons (pedophiles & Rapists!) must REGISTER!!  Generic perverts are NOT registered!!  & gays R NOT perverts!! U have serious issues!! U need to get ready 4 the CAPTURE

    18. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ahh, so that's what shifting the goal post looks like in action...

    19. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link..If your statement is to me, I honestly can't connect it to my comment.  Please explain?  What goal posts & who shifted them?  Something got past me I guess. I'm struggling w/ KG's asinine comments!
      The Dude's an enigma!

    20. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      At this point I'm hoping Kevin is not a real person and just some bored troll.

    21. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh no not you Paula, I meant Tsad and how Saudi Arabia is very much the real world, yet the example he asked for suddenly changed to having to be something within the US, though there was no prelude that was the requirement.

      My bad

    22. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OK Link..I understand. (U & Tsad stop barking at ea. other!!)  UR both nice people just different views.Take a break. breathe.(I should take my own advice)
      Aime stop hoping. He's real.I can't say A real WHAT...but sadly, he's real. His POOR wife.

    23. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I miss the days when demonic perverts didn't have special rights. They should be ashamed of what they do.

    24. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How do you report comments?

    25. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think you have to report the whole question and specify the what and who...

    26. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Aime~Right side very top of the page under green "unfollow" tab, U'll see "report." Click it & a box will open. I already tried reporting twice w/ details. Apparently they're BUSY or just not concerned. Don't waste UR precious time.

  40. Dragon 40 profile image86
    Dragon 40posted 2 years ago

    Here is a clue for my progressive friends:

    "Rights" have nothing to do with it. You cannot change your gender, period. You can add bits, slice other bits off, but you cannot change your gender.
    Bruce Jenner is delusional, and he's still 100% male.

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kylyssa disagrees, she thinks your gender is a birth defect, not because medical science has determined that to be the case but because you feel or think that it is. Could it be a birth defect of the brain? What do u think Ken?

  41. Capernius1 profile image60
    Capernius1posted 2 years ago

    Yes you have the right, but why?

    GOD does not make mistakes, so therefor the way he made you is perfect.

    I believe that anyone who changes themselves like Jenner did, is not all right in the head. Through Christian Based counseling, & seeking GOD's will for your life, this transexual mutation can be avoided.

    To do something as radical as this to your body, goes against everything that GOD & Jesus have tried to teach us.

    I know that I am not always correct in my thinking, but on this issue, I shall not be moved.

  42. mahsa setareh profile image83
    mahsa setarehposted 2 years ago

    I think that if you want to change your gender, looks, or whatever it is..then hey go head it's your body and you can do whatever you want with it...It's an option and choice that you can make for yourself, just make sure that it's a wise decision

  43. Elesh profile image78
    Eleshposted 2 years ago

    Biblically NO.Anything against sacred law is a disregard to the Almighty God.

  44. Molly Layton profile image80
    Molly Laytonposted 2 years ago

    Allow me to answer your question with a question. If gender is defined by the organs between one's legs, what gender are intersex individuals?

    1. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Whichever organs function best.

    2. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting you brought that up. Since male and/or female genitals are now considered to be a birth defect, intersex has to be the normal situation. How long will it be till everyone wants to become intersex?

    3. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      T~Cut it out! It is not widely nor generally considered a "birth defect." That was mentioned as 1 person's opinion.& intersex does not HAVE 2 B normal. EVERYONE is not transgender nor will they want 2 be intersex. Mostly~ I don't care! Do YOU??

    4. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But several people here(I read all the answers)have claimed it to be a birth defect&according to them IT IS but only if you want it to be so theoretically we all can be transgender,depending on our choice of birth defect, male or female.

    5. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      1-2-3---I'll give you til 10...to beat it, "T".  I thought you had already left!

    6. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As far as I've read, only 2 people have said sex is a birth defect, and they both specified rather clearly that it's mostly transgenders themselves that view it like that, not that sex is a birth defect on a general level.

    7. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well you didn't read far enough Link, there are three mentions of it as a defect and four if u count my comments.and the rest of your comment is irrelevant.

    8. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who was the third person?

      And no the rest is not irrelevant since you feel some compulsive need to lie/misconstrue half of anything told to you.
      Unless it was the third person, They didnt say sex in general is a birth defect like you keep claiming.

    9. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Really Link,must you always nitpick after you have long lost the argument.Austin star "since your DNA is subject to all kinds of mutations and defects, what difference does it make if you correct some of it to suit your personality..." Happy?

    10. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You actually answered a question and it made sense...

      Though Im pretty sure she doesn't count it as a defect rather than a mutation, and even if she did she's the only one of the 3 that does so it isn't "several", but seriously kudos. I'm surprised.

    11. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Link, you are worse than a nitpicking nagging woman, u sure you aren't transgender?

    12. Link10103 profile image77
      Link10103posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Nothing nitpicky about it my friend.

      You said several people claimed sex was a point blank birth defect and made that the meat of your point.

      From what I see thats not the case, and for pointing it out Im a nagging transgender woman...Lol. +1 humor

  45. sitebuilders profile image78
    sitebuildersposted 2 years ago

    As mentioned above, there are no laws that may prohibit a person to change his/her gender. Likewise, there are no laws that prohibit people to do other things, like abusing or even killing someone. The absence of these laws, unfortunately, cannot prevent people from doing all those things. This, however, does not mean that these things are not done today. The same is about changing the gender. If someone decides to do this, he/she will not ask anyone for a permission. There are lots of cosmetic surgeons, who perform such surgeries without any permission at all. So, I think that this is only up to the person to make such a decision, although, personally, I think that this is not the best option. I believe that people are born ideal and have the inborn characteristics and features natural for their gender. And this is the way it should be.

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "there are no laws that prohibit people...abusing or even killing someone." ? What country do you live in?

    2. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You are missing the part where there are no laws to prevent these things based on being transgender, and yes, that does matter within the courts.

    3. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You lost me josephine. There are laws that "prohibit people abusing or even killing people." Transgenders are not excluded from these laws..what in the world do you mean?

    4. modernalchemyst profile image95
      modernalchemystposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If you were educated on the law, you would know that hate crime laws and other similar legislation specifically address crime with specific motives, i.e., race, gender, sexuality. Still too complicated?

    5. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If you were educated at all you'd realize you make no sense at all.

  46. Sulabha profile image86
    Sulabhaposted 2 years ago

    I can't say if it's a person's right. But I feel that such a person could experience guilt and misery later on. Certainly, Nature cannot go so wrong. Yes, we human beings could go wrong such as dressing up our little girl in her brother's dress or vice versa. We might also develop wrong habits in boarding school or college hostel.
    Often those people are interviewed who just got the operation done. No interview has been conducted of those people who have spent 20 or so years post-gender change.

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Nature cannot go wrong?We live in a fallen sinful world, nature is not what it was originally created as by God.Nature therefore does go wrong but is not God&we don't live to please nature but to please God who created us For His Pleasure!

    2. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      For some, changing genders causes unhappiness and ends in suicide. The media perpetuates the misinformation that transgender regret is rare.http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/

    3. Sgt Prepper profile image61
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kinda' like how a guilt-ridden woman spends the rest of her life trying to justify an abortion or two.

    4. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I guess you can liken mutilating your body to murder of an innocent baby in the womb but the real source of the pain is the hunger in our hearts for God — an empty place in our souls that only He can fill.

  47. profile image59
    Hijas Aposted 2 years ago

    I feel its not right.we don't try to change our gender. we must follow  God law

  48. cfin profile image81
    cfinposted 2 years ago

    One has the right to do whatever one wants, especially where it doesn't have any effect on anyone else. In this case, he will never be a woman, truly, but he can do what he wants with his body.

    Hiding behind Jebus to throw hate at something you are afraid of is really pathetic. And yes, something made you a man or a woman. It's basic science to show that sperm and an egg, not magic or Jebus, and which sperm fertilized the egg, not harry potter or Moses, are the reason for ones gender.

    And this isn't even a question. Bait and switch isn't a question. You asked and then told us what you think. "God determines what gender you will be. Even if you are an atheist, you have to admit that something made you a man or a woman, with male or female parts."

  49. Sherry Thornburg profile image84
    Sherry Thornburgposted 2 years ago

    i don't think the question is really valid.  Do we have the right to augment and otherwise change our appearance, yes.  Can we, yes from hair color to eye color with contacts, to boobs and surgical body sculpting, to total facial replacement if you want that. Its being done for some with severe facial damage, so why not for someone that wants a complete redo? 

    The question with all the above is do we need to be doing these things to ourselves?  Should we be doing it? 

    I color my hair because I don't want to have gray hair at my present age.  It would be natural for me to have gray hair.  It would be as intended per my genetic make up, but I have cultural ideas that say its not  necessary or a good thing to appear to be (old) because of negative age biases. But that is society imprinting an attitude on a person. 

    To change one's appearance to the inth level Bruce Jenner did; to make himself female is another matter.  As I understand transgender, society has nothing to do with it. Its one's inner identity that conflicts with the outer for whatever reason. There are several that others have mentioned already.  The person has to decide if they are certain that this conflict is severe enough to be willing to go through the years long process of transforming to such a degree. 

    I would be interested in a study done 20 or more years from now on all the people that are going through these transformations to see if they achieved what they were hoping for, or if changing what they see in the mirror wasn't enough.

    1. tsadjatko profile image59
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Don't need to wait for study, here it is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/ read conclusions,considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour&psychiatric morbidity than general population.may not suffice as treatment!

  50. sunitibahl9 profile image67
    sunitibahl9posted 2 years ago

    It is a personal choice, if one wants they can.. we can never understand what other person is going through without putting ourselves in their shoes.

 
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