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  1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
    RJ Schwartzposted 2 years ago

    Hillary just affirmed she wanted to give Obamacare to illegals.  How does that feel?

    Obamacare exchanges are collapsing everywhere, people are paying too much, now Hillary wants to expand the program to illegal aliens.  How can anyone who wants to see America continue as a nation support the financial erosion we are seeing from the Democrats?

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  2. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
    bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years ago

    Ralph
    America used to be the land of opportunity, but today that opportunity is for unlimited handouts without any contributions to supporting the country. It is like the sample carts at Costco, anyone gets them regardless of whether they buy anything.

    Obamacare has not adversely affected the government employees, who are public servants but treated like the master. Their  retirement FERS, and and healthcare FEHS are one of the best in the nation.

    Meanwhile, in the private sector, many good insurance plans were deemed not up to Obamacare, and they were replaced by higher costs, higher deductibles, and poorer coverage.

    Adding tens of millions of people to an already under performing system doesn't improve the quality of care.

    Illegals have already been using hospital emergency rooms as their doctor for free.

    In CA the illegals already have the right to get driver licenses, so now they will also get Obamacare.

    The US is a great country, if you weren't born here.
    BTW, a great picture of Hillary. That shows without saying a word, why she should not be president.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I posted a hub on Obamacare yesterday and it's pass/fail status - my call is failing

    2. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Now, THAT'S a reason I won't vote for her.  The Democratic Party has become the party of hand-outs & entitlements.  ENOUGH is ENOUGH!

    3. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Failing?  Tell that to the people who are living, now that they have access to healthcare; without it, they would be dead.

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Could have been done without taking over the system - look to my complete hub in the topic and comment there on the entire program, costs, etc.  plenty of people give Obamacare a failing grade regardless of the few benefits

    5. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, you see Ralph, who cares if it's done right or will last, their good intentions (which is a ruse in itself) are supposed to justify any bad outcome.

    6. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And how many are still uninsured?  Even if it's the so-called law of the land!  Failure of leadership

  3. tsadjatko profile image60
    tsadjatkoposted 2 years ago

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    It's true Ralph, just Google [Obamacare exchanges are collapsing everywhere] and the hits  are amazing!

    But how can anyone be surprised Hiliary has to promise illegals healthcare? She has to give them something for voting for her, which is her prime reason for promising anything, to get votes, especially from illegals. What the heck they are here illegally, do you think there is anything to stop them from fraudulently voting? Illegally? They are lawbreakers no matter how you look at it.

    But then she knows Obamacare will go bust so what is she promising them? An empty promise for sure, her trademark behavior toward what she considers "the peasants", who she believes are too stupid to know better so she'll promise the pig in a poke, Obamacare.

    Look at this primary. The states that recently passed voter ID laws, I think there were 7 or 8, all reported a drop in Democrat turnout at the polls of 30% or more while the Republican turnout was up over 50% in these same states.

    Do you really thing the Democrats care so little about voting for Hiliary (or Bernie), the next Supreme court appointment, NO WALL, that they sat at home while the Republicans turn out in huge record numbers, a 50% increase? No way. The voter ID laws are keeping them (and illegals) from voting multiple times, FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

    This is obvious! This is the reason why the DOJ under Holder and the rest of the Democrats were so against requiring voter IDs despite the fact that you can't do anything, get anything, go anywhere in this country without an ID. They know they can't win elections without voter fraud, without people voting multiple times in key precincts or without illegals voting where it counts. The Democrat Party of today is a lawless cabal, only using the law when they can to their benefit and ignoring it (like Hiliary's crimes) when convenient. This can't be hidden forever!

    So there it is, the obvious reason Hiliary NEEDS to endear herself to Illegals. If she is elected you can look for her to propose annexing (with their cooperation) Canada, Mexico and Cuba just so she and the Democrat cabal will have an eternal majority of Democrat voters and will no longer need to cheat to get elected. Honestly, to them that idea would be a paradise, why wait until they turn America into a banana republic.

    Welcome the United COUNTRIES of America!

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You should do a hub on voter ID - Could be quite interesting.  I wrote a new Obamacare hub yesterday if you care to read it.

    2. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Man you are fast, I just posted the answer! :-) You know 4 or 5 years ago your hubs and Q&As would be swamped with liberals combating you, since Obamacare failed they have all but disappeared from these conversations.

    3. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, welcome to the USSA!

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Comrades, do not fear the machine!  The machine is good!  The machine will take care of you as long as you bow down and get the mark!  Long live the machine!  Those without the mark will be rounded up and questioned!  Long live the machine!

  4. gmwilliams profile image85
    gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago

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    America under the NEW Democratic Leftist Socialist Party is now a land of the welfare state par excellence.  President Obama started the trend, now Hillary wants to continue.  Smart people are waking up to the leftist program.  The Democrats are not the old, sensible Democrats but a branch of the Socialist/Communist Party.  Democrats are leaving the party in droves because of this leftist nonsense.  No wonder the middle class is becoming near to extinct.  Is it a wonder that Mr. Trump has so much appeal to thinking Americans?!

    Hillary is of the same cloak as Bernie but is more mainstream.  I don't want any of these leftists to be President of the United States.  We Americans have SUFFERED ENOUGH! President Obama has almost achieved his goal into turning America into a socialist country.  If Hillary becomes President, America will go down the financial tubes for sure!

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Bravo...wonderful answer

    2. Phyllis Doyle profile image94
      Phyllis Doyleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Very intelligent thoughts, Grace. I am proud of you !!!

    3. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      DITTO, well said!

    4. Dave Rupe profile image62
      Dave Rupeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If i had a nickle for every time I've seen this kind of rhetoric i'd be rich. You should run for office. The sky is always falling and your type is so mellow dramatic that you belong on a Broadway stage. This country is still standing. Walk outside.

    5. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, and when I woke up in NY at dawn and went outside I said LOOK what a beautiful morning, the day of 9/11/2001. Rupe, you need to look forward where we are headed and not the present.

    6. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dave Rupe, it's a sad fact that extremists thrive on hate and propaganda rather than facts. They are dragging our country down into the political mess we now face.

    7. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      WOW! 
      Look @ ALL these "Good Samaritans" (Lk 10:25-37)!
      Even if "unbeliever," where are your "morals?"
      You keep "proving" yourselves (Jn 8:44)!

    8. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You ACED this one, Grace!  Kudos.

    9. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Here's a couple MORE Positive Facts about Obama-Care which are simply IGNORED by Republicans ~ You can no longer be Discriminated Against or "Premium GOUGED" for a Pre-Existing Condition ~ An Ins, Company can no longer CANCEL a policy ARBITRARILY ~

    10. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A program which constantly loses money is a failure, like Amtrack, and anything else the govt touches fails / obamacare is failing and its unsustainable any way you look at it

    11. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph these people are liberal and PC.
      Obama good! Obama what you want us to do? Obama you hate whites but dat alright! Don't believe me, just ask pastor Jeremiah Wright!(:

    12. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Poetic / and absolutely correct - the sheeple are so loved by Barry O for their blind servitude

    13. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yup I saw this newscast from another country and they were like "do the Americans not see this, that he is acting deliberately, this must be part of some plan, he is destroying his country" It was entertaining yet scary in a way!

    14. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Notice,liberals start with falsehoods&when debunked end with calling u hateful extremists while conservatives start with debunking lies&end with themdisappearing.http://www.naturalnews.com/052427_Obama_America_fundamental_transformation.html

    15. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TSAD, I would not quote natural news website as over the years I have found them to have some fishy claims lol. I do respect you though TSAD & believe he is destroying out country.

    16. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, in REALITY, we do NOT live in a Socialistic Society, nor a Democracy, nor a Republic, we live in a "Capitalistic KINGDOM" where a small few Corrupt individuals control the majority of the American Population as their SLAVEs ~

    17. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Roob, well that article is plain and simply true, I don't care where it originated. AP.watch this and then rethink your "kingdom" error. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0-cDKMS5M Donahue is made to look like a bufoon.

    18. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I would not say we are slaves, the african americans were slaves... we have it much much better now a days. However yes this world is enslaved to a wrong set of morals or what most people would consider liberal and politically correct.

    19. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, in REALITY, unless you are Very Fortunate, Inherit a FORTUNE, Hit the Lottery, or are Extremely LUCKY, you must work for a living and you are forced to WASTE at Least 50% or MORE of your LIFE here on Planet EARTH , this makes you a SLAVE ~

    20. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well everyone can't be as fortunate as you AP, Now what planet was that you are on? earth to AP, come in, come in.

    21. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A.P. News flash: U don't get to label anyone a "SLAVE." Speak 4 Urself. Never once in my life have I ever been a slave 2 any person nor thing. I've had both luck & more than my share of misfortunes.Not a moment of my life has been wasted.UR angry

    22. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OMG how can an alien space cadet get around on planet earth without labels? Mork is back!

    23. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry to bring up a very sad event,  but Mork is dead.  Suicide. Guess he felt his life was a waste & tired of being a slave.  It gets 'em every time.

    24. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AP is a zealot and a cheerleader for Hillary - actually, he may be a robot who keeps repeating the same thing (he loves to yell on the web with Capital Letters, so he's probably a militant liberal)

    25. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When I use caps it's for emphasis not yelling since you can't bold anything in comments. But, yeah, in his case I think he is screaming, must be a sHrilliary fan.

    26. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AP hates on many different levels, but mostly likes to write long nonsensical posts about a false reality he imagines is America

    27. dugoutwhirl profile image61
      dugoutwhirlposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Fascinating

    28. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Actualy Ralph, the Nonsensical Rhetoric is abundant in "Republican PRETEND-Land", where REALITY like Drastic Climate CHANGE is Denied & Dismissed ~ In CONTRAST, I Market ONLY Facts which I encourage ALL my Readers to Verify & CONFIRM on their

    29. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I wasn't aware we were discussing the weather AP - your version of the facts is comical, but if believing in them helps you sleep at night, then continue. I'm glad my healthcare is self funded - have fun with your Obama-fail

    30. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure what you're referring to, but here's the FACTs ~ I can indeed call RIGHT now and Purchase an Ins. Policy via the ACA ~ Pre-Existing C's are NO Longer & your Policy CANNOT be Cancelled Arbitrarily due to the ACA ~ Just the FACTs ~

    31. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have an Obamacare policy AP?  Tell us all about how great your costs and out of pocket expenses are.

    32. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It's irrelevant as to who provides my Insurance Policy ~ You said I don't post Factual Info and everyone around here understands that to be a False Allegation ~ P.S. ~ Concerned about Ins. Costs / Premiums? The BLAME is on Insurance Co's, NOT ACA ~

    33. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Should I call you Congressman AP - preach about something but don't use it yourself.   This discussion is on giving Obamacare to illegals.  More new out today on massive cost overruns - it's doomed

    34. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ASSUME away Ralph & I already  inserted my OPINION about hard Working Un-Documented Individuals gaining access to ACA ~ Missed it?, Un-Documented Immigrants who pick our fruit are MORE Patriotic than CONservatives who OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increa

    35. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's the comment that really makes you look like you are full of it.  Show me a study, report, anything credible that shows illegal immigrants have a higher level of patriotism

    36. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Um...Ralph, I just gave you an irrefutable EXAMPLE of WHY but let me try again ~ Un-Documented Workers pick our FRUIT, Wash our Cars, & Keep our Hotel Rooms CLEAN ~ CONservative Congress-Persons OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increases ~ WHO is Patriotic?

    37. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Repeating a nonsensical answer doesn't make it suddenly true - what you are saying is that it's your opinion of such and you have no verifiable facts at all....but I already knew that since illegal aliens aren't too open about being surveyed

    38. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this
    39. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      lol ~ Yup Ralph, ONLY in "Republican PRETEND-Land" Un-Documented Immigrants DO NOT Pick FRUIT & Clean Hotel ROOMs ~ I guess they become LAWYERs ~ Anyone who thinks Republicans OBSTRUCTING Wage Increases is "Patriotic" is Un-Patriotic him/herself

    40. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dude, give it a rest.  Patriotism is an emotional attachment to a nation which an individual recognizes as their homeland.  Any illegal who can't even bother to learn English isn't patriotic and the minimum wage is irrelevant.

    41. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "DUDE" ~ Patriotism is about HELPING your Fellow Human Being attain a "Better Quality of LIFE" like paying him/her a WAGE he/she DESERVES, NOT just "SAYING" you're a Patriot which ALL Republicans do then proceed to Suppress Wages & Health Care ~

    42. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dude - you are wrong.  Helping your fellow man is charity.  Patriotism is national pride.  I admire you for never wavering on the minimum wage topic, but get your facts straight.

    43. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Patriotic Duty?  This says very well - http://www.scribd.com/doc/3222739/What- … uty#scribd

      Ur both right. Being patriotic is having National Pride, but its also upholding the Core Values behind our creation such as helping others

    44. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My Esoteric ~ I appreciate your research & Here's a FACT ~ PHONEY "National Pride" as CONservative Republicans Display will NEVER Enhance the Lives of the Majority of Americans but raising the Minimum Wage & Providing Health Care certainly wi

    45. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Given Congress won't enhance the EITC enough to substitute for the minimum wage, we are stuck with it.  I do, however, buy the argument that high MW's do suppress new business and the job growth that goes with it.  An expanded EITC wouldn't do that.

    46. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My Esoteric ~ What individuals like Ralph don't seem to understand is Obstructing Minimum Wage Increases & Health Care Access as Republicans do, is Un-American & Un-Patriotic that's WHY states across the U.S. are unilaterally INCREASING Wages

    47. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Obamacare drastically increased costs for young workers http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca … 414e7439be

  5. profile image0
    Old Poolmanposted 2 years ago

    Well of course she did.  She is well aware that many of the 12 million or so illegal's in this country vote and she needs their votes.  Why do you think the libs fight voter ID requirements so hard?

    Obamacare has set back the quality and increased the cost of healthcare for millions of Americans.  It would have been better and cheaper just to give free insurance to citizens who really needed healthcare.

    Thousands of citizens were cut back to less than 30 hours per week making them part time employees.  That was done so their employers were not mandated to pay their healthcare costs or the fines.  Even a moron could have figured out this would happen when that law was written.  But it did make the unemployment numbers look good because employers had to hire more part time employees to fill their work demand.

    Most all of this is insanity at best, and it will get worse before it gets fixed.  If we provided job training instead of welfare we would be back on the road to recovery.

    It is looking more like the main mission of this administration was to further destroy our economy, divide the people, and create more dependence on government.  In that, they have been very successful.

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Once again, Old Poolman is never wrong! :-)

    2. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Please tell me how illegal aliens in this country are allowed to vote, and if so, why have you not done your part in getting it stopped? Turn them in. They can't vote under our Constitution.

    3. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      MizB, not informed are you? California Governor Jerry Brown signed the New Motor Voter Act, which will automatically register people to vote through the DMV, results in illegal aliens voting.BO's temporary deportation amnesty makes it easy

    4. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not informed?  Does your law have a clause that says illegals can vote. Ours doesn't. I work as a legal editor and a DMV voter registration does not trump the Constitution and allow illegals to vote no matter how it reads.

    5. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The constitution is of no value if it is not enforced and the Democrat party, this President, contrives ways to get around it daily and if not they simply refuse to enforce it - wake up MzB. Just google "illegals vote" and read, you'll see.

    6. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Looks like censorship is getting rampant - forcing honest opinions to be hidden

  6. breakfastpop profile image89
    breakfastpopposted 2 years ago

    Hillary is a disgrace. She is pandering to illegals who are allowed to vote in CA and are voting elsewhere. The rule of law doesn't matter anymore,  especially to fools like Clinton.

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Good to see you, Breakfastpop! Long time no see!

    2. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      yessir!

    3. Jackie Lynnley profile image88
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is exactly what it is all about & as many as can illegally vote wherever they can which we know happens. Just buy as many as they can with taxpayers money when her butt should be behind bars like months ago for any one of a dozen reasons.

    4. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Please provide proof from a credible source that mass numbers of illegals are voting and that Clinton has violated the law. When and where was she convicted? Is she innocent until proven guilty in a U.S. court of law?

    5. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Proof?here's your proof: California motor-voter law will flood rolls with noncitizens (just google it)&this: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … zen-voting R u so naive u think illegals don'tvote

    6. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      An interesting article from one of the most conservative, anti-Democratic magazines in the country. I couldn't find any reference to mass voting by illegals, just references by some groups that want to make sure they can't vote.

    7. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try at more ID. Try googling illegals caught voting. Where there is smoke there is fire, if you don't see that you are turning a blind eye to a problem solely because you don't want to admit you are wrong. Intellectually Dishonest

    8. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah Right, GOOD Deeds for the Sake of HUMANITY as Hillary would do is ALWAYs considered a DISGRACE by Backward CONservative Republicans in Congress, but initiate a BILL to Give even MORE of our WEALTH to Wall Street and they are all over it ~

    9. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Hillary is happy to spend my money.  Don't you get tired of cheerleading for a criminal with a body count larger than some mortuaries ?

    10. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hillary is Ready & Willing to SPEND Money on those Americans who Need Assistance, however, she nor Bernie are Ready nor Willing to give OUR Wealth to Wall Street Swindlers like "Drumpf" Trump ~ Hillary a "Criminal"? FALSE Accusation as usual ~

    11. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this
    12. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      SORRY Ralph, but I've done my "Due Diligence" & I can't seem to find any "Criminal Records" to attribute any "BODY Count" to Hillary ~ But I did find Plenty of LEGAL Complaints Against "Drumpf" Trump ~ I POST Verifiable FACTs, apparently U Don't

    13. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this
    14. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm NOT interested in OPINION Ralph ~ You said Hillary C is a Criminal with "Bodies" attributed to her Criminal Activity ~ As proof,  I'd like to see REAL Tangible EVIDENCE of your Dubious Claims ~ Conviction Docs. or Prison Records please ~

    15. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are we talking legal complaints or convictions - i notice you change the words.  Monica saved Hillary from going down over Whitewater.  And of course she does have the blood of 4 Americans on her hands from Benghazi.

    16. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You, FOX Loser Snooze Channel, "Drumpf" Trump & other CONservatives have tried to make a Dubious yet COMICAL Career out of runnin' around the INTERNET making FALSE Accusations about Hillary C ~ When she's CONVICTED please let me KNOW ~

    17. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I suppose Cosby is guilty of nothing because he hasn't been convicted?I suppose the only crime Al Capone committed was tax evasion?I suppose there are no criminals on the street who haven't been convicted(or even charged)with crime?Naive!

    18. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Congratulations TSAD, in Theory, you've Successfully Subverted the  ESSENCE of OUR Legal System but it's NO Big Surprise coming from a CONservative ~ Still waiting patiently for that elusive HARD Evidence of a Crime such as "Prison Records" ~

    19. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      &what essence is that,no one is guilty of anything unless they are convicted?Cause that's your insane position.I suppose if ur mother was raped&didn't charge anyone you'd say the rapist is innocent?Naive as canbe.CRIMEhappens w/o legalsystem

    20. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It's OK Tsad - Hillary never get's indicted, but everyone around her "accidentally" dies - sound like any Mafia figures you know?

    21. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well are you referring to mafia figures that were convicted of crimes or the ones who haven't been convicted? Oh wait, if not convicted they can't be mafia, right?

    22. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      lol ~ Keep it Up Fellas, FOX Loser Snooze would be very PROUD of you ~ In the mean time, I'll just keep waiting in anticipation of those PRISON Docs to PROVE your FALSE Accusations ~ P.S. ~ CONservative Paul Ryan is a CRIMINAL too ~ lol ~

    23. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Paul Ryan?Is he being investigated by the FBI?Has he left dead bodies in the wake of his career too?If so you could be right!Knowing you AP,you don't even have anything to accuse him of except being a Republican.Time you don ur tinfoil hat

    24. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When the indictment comes down for her e-mail scandal you'll certainly be a quiet one right AP ?  The definition of the word criminal doesn't refer to convictions.  try that google thingy out

  7. profile image0
    LoliHeyposted 2 years ago

    Is she giving it away free?  Should I go to Mexico and sneak back into the USA, posing as a Mexican illegal immigrant so I don't have to actually work for the things that born citizens and legal aliens are paying for?  I am beginning to feel like they're getting a free ride while the rest of us work.

    1. profile image0
      Old Poolmanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You would probably go to prison if you got caught sneaking into Mexico.

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your could call yourself Senorita Lolita....from Bonavita

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      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LOL!  Funny how I would get arrested for sneaking into Mexico, but it's a free for all to come to the US.

    4. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No need to leave the country,just become friends with illegals,they'll show you how to cheat the system http://cis.org/mortensen/irs-protects-a … al-aliens, vote multiple times&get rich! http://videos2view.net/tax-fraud.htm

    5. profile image0
      Old Poolmanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They actually pay people to teach them how to game the system.

    6. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mexico's own immigration laws are a conservative wet dream - and they have a wall on their own southern border to keep Central Americans out!

    7. profile image0
      Old Poolmanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well it does now in California as TSAD pointed out.  The first step was to make it possible for illegals to get a drivers license.  Then it is decided if they had a drivers license they could register to vote.  Very slick on Gov. Browns part.

    8. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Middle class people NEED TO REVOLT!  What is this #$%%%?  Hillary has really gone........berserk!  The Democratic Party ain't what it used to be, ain't what it used to be. The Old Democratic Party ain't what is used to be....hmmmm....

    9. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, she is not giving it away for free. She has said on CNN and other places that they can use it if they pay for it like everyone else.

    10. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      everyone else doesn't pay for it, don't you know how it works, if your income is below a certain level the government pays for it. If you are an illegal you likely can't or won't even say what you really make!

    11. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I know how it works. Many people pay for it and poor people get help with tax credits. Clinton also said the illegals would not qualify for tax credits.

    12. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So what you are telling me is she said they could have it but can't get tax credits&we know they can't afford it,so she is lying to them(sounds like Hiliary).WHY?So they'll vote for her where they can thanks to Obama's&California's policies?

    13. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If they can't afford it, then they won't get coverage. The ones that are well established here will buy it if they can afford it. That doesn't make her statement a lie.

    14. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You would be better off if you could.

    15. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott - illegals don't deserve anything in reward for breaking American law other than a trip home - if they can afford to buy insurance, then they can pay for their own flights back to the country of their birth

    16. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph, I never said that they did. I only said that Clinton doesn't think it should be given away for free.

    17. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry to attack you Scott - just frustrated by the entire premise of doing positive things for people who broke our laws

    18. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you, Ralph. I appreciate your gracious reply. I fully agree that illegals should not receive government benefits and that we need to do more to stop the flood. I just want to solve the problem with as much factual information as possible.

    19. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      there we go Scott, that sounds reasonable!

    20. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Robert, I meant to say that illegals shouldn't receive any "free" benefits. I don't have a problem if they pay for health insurance. I certainly think they should pay income taxes and Social Security taxes. I hope you still think that's reasonable.

    21. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott - doesn't that seem to be a reward (bringing them into our system) when they aren't even citizens, and actually breaking US law?  I disagree

    22. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph, I don't want illegals here, not following the laws on immigration and not paying taxes. But if they are here and so far haven't been deported, would you rather have them pay for insurance and put a lid on costs or not pay for it at all?

    23. blargablarga profile image77
      blargablargaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why would you pay social security if you weren't a citizen?  That's an insurance that you pay into so you can later draw out of it.  It makes no sense to pay into it if you aren't eligible for the program.

    24. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott, I'd rather just send them home.  Allowing them to stay shows weakness of leadership in my opinion. When they come to an ER, we treat them and arrest them for deportation - sounds harsh, but it is the law

    25. blargablarga profile image77
      blargablargaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's not the law.  The law is to tell them that their visa is expired.  You aren't required to report them and a medical professional certainly can't deport someone.  A person is only deported if the renewal is rejected, after it's been processed.

  8. MizBejabbers profile image92
    MizBejabbersposted 2 years ago

    No way! We don’t even adequately take care of our own citizens. I think Grace is right that the Democrats have turned into a Leftist Socialist Party, just as the Republicans have turned into a bunch of Fascists (Conservative, nah, that was eons ago). Hillary doesn’t even resemble the party of her husband anymore. I think part of the problem is that level-headed middle of the roaders no longer count, and that the increase of the Socialist Bernie welfare bunch is turning Hillary into an equally angry person.
    As far as giving illegals healthcare to buy their votes, it is Unconstitutional for Illegals to Vote (caps for emphasis). If you know of any illegals who voted, you need to turn them and the election officials in your town over to your election commission. However, when their children who are born in this country grow up, they are Citizens Who Can Legally Vote. We need to work to get this law of automatic citizenship for the children of born to non-citizens within our borders overturned. Until you work to do this, you really can’t complain. Write your congressmen and tell them how you feel, don’t blame the politicians who take advantage of current law.
    Don’t forget, Ted Cruz’s father fought alongside Castro before fleeing Cuba (source: The Broad Side) and Ted’s real given name is Rafael.
    Marco Rubio is also the child of Cuban immigrants who immigrated to the U.S. before Castro’s rise. (What's this Cuba thing, anyway?) However, “His mother made at least four trips back after Castro’s victory, including for a month in 1961.[5] Neither of his parents was a U.S. citizen at the time of Rubio's birth,[6] but his parents applied for U.S. citizenship and were naturalized in 1975.” Source Wikipedia. So make of that whatever you will.

    And Trump’s a chump, so instead of turning this into a Hillary-bashing rant, let’s just bash them all.

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Hillary doesn’t even resemble the party of her husband anymore." Hiliary never did, she was too busy squelching BImbo interruptions for her serial rapist husband.

    2. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Can you prove that he was ever convicted of rape, much less serial rape?

    3. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There are plenty of serial rapists out there who haven't been convicted. You think you have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal? That's odd. Guess you believe Bill Cosby too? http://www.albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm

    4. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The middle class is dissolving.  This is a Luciferian inference.  It seems that welfare recipients, illegal aliens, & other freeloaders are living better than hard-working middle class Americans who are falling through the cracks!!!! Unbelievable

    5. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's what I thought. You've got a mouth but no evidence. You, my friend, are guilty of libel. I would be careful if I were you. (not you, Grace)

    6. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You my friend are as naive as a baby.I suppose if he had raped you,but it was just your word against his&he had a cabal to defame you so you couldn't press charges you'd say he didn't rape you because he wasn't charged?That's your position

    7. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tsad, I know more about the Clintons than you ever will by reading hate mail. I've known Bill personally since 1978, and he has always been a gentleman. And I was more attractive than some of his so-called accusers, just not as cheap looking.

    8. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So THAT is the answer to my question?Nice dodge,u know the answer to my question proves your position is wrong.Hate mail?Where u get that?Bill's philandering is well documented,were I u I'd be embarrassed to be associated withoralsex&bimbos

    9. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Keep talking, you just keep painting yourself into the corner. You didn't say philandering. You said rape. I answered your libelous accusation of rape. You're dodging now.

    10. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You aren't aware of the multiple rape accusations against him as a result of his philandering? u new him personally since 1978?The year he raped Juanita Broaddrick, right. Nice company you were keeping, guess you approve of adultery too.

    11. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TSAD, you certainly like to get personal with people who think differently than you. Please try to be civil and post facts rather than accusations and insults.

    12. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What difference does it make? Democrat or Republican, BELIEVE THIS:  Bible WILL BE FULFILLED! Either what we think (good r bad), it ALL leads to FULFILLMENT of BIBLE!!!
      (READ Romans 13:1-7!)

    13. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Can you comment without quoting scripture?

  9. iggy7117 profile image72
    iggy7117posted 2 years ago

    They work for less money taking jobs from legal citizens, they can work for less money because they get paid cash and do not pay taxes, and now the taxpayer that struggles to get a job has to foot the bill for their healthcare.

    When people do illegal things they get in trouble or go to jail, these illegals sneak into the country illegally and get rewarded for it. Ship them out of here.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      check out the hub I posted a few days ago that actually shows the economic, social, crime and other impact the illegals have on America - it will frighten you plus tick you off

    2. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No need to ship anyone, stop giving them free stuff and jobs and they will leave for greener pastures. They know the way here, they can find the way back. Offer them free bus rides hiome then and you won't have enough buses.

    3. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly Vince.  This welfare scenario has GOT TO END.  It started in the 1960s.  Since then the welfare state has GROWN by leaps & bounds.  It is time to cut welfare & other entitlement programs by 75-90%. ENOUGH is ..ENOUGH...is ENOUGH!!

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed - welfare used to be something people were embarrassed about, now those who get it brag about it

    5. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So Ralph, it is your belief that the vast majority who receive Medicaid, Food Stamps, Housing Assistance, and other such assistance aren't embarrassed about being in such a position as needing it; that they actually like getting it?

    6. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Too many people make no attempt to escape dependency on the system.  Society makes it too easy to stay on all the programs.  And yes, many people would rather stay at home and collect it with no remorse or embarrassment.

    7. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph, what constitutes "too many" to you?  1%, 10%, 50%?  Illegals get a minuscule amount, I bet less than 1%, of all means-tested assistance.

    8. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'll tell you what constitutes too many.Fedlaw prevents illegal aliens from receiving benefits meant forAmerican citizens.with the exception of emergency medical care.Because illegals are not legally entitled to these benefits does't mean

    9. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      they don't apply for them.Do u think illegals who have broken laws even in other countries to get here,cheating legal immigrants,will respect our laws? Illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability,

    10. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state&federal agencies. Illegals then bear children who are U.S. Citizens and then they are eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps.

    11. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Illegals then bear children who are U.S.Citizens&then they are eligible for benefits such asWIC&food stamps.Illegals often worklow paying jobs so now qualify for benefits.Our own failures are what cause illegals to receive benefits.

    12. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tsad - check out all the links I posted from today's news about how Obamacare is failing - AP still crying his Social Justice Warrior rants

    13. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've seen them all. For any article praising Obamacare there are 50 about it failing. Guess the vast right wing conspiracy is hard at work combating anyone without their tinfoil hat.

  10. Philanthropy2012 profile image87
    Philanthropy2012posted 2 years ago

    Do working Americans not feel like slaves to the 1%? I mean they earn  $434,682 a year and you guys earn, what, $60,000? And then some of you are paying loan interests so you don't actually keep that $60,000 for yourself.

    Of course 1% of the USA pop is still 3 million people. That's 3 million people that look at the rest of you like termites, inferior slaves working for their wealth whilst they earn a killing investing in the stocks.

    I'm sure they find it hilarious when the termites start blaming termites from other countries for getting basic health care. You're getting fleeced so bad you just have to pick on the one termite more abused and more vulnerable than even yourself. What a tragedy!

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is MUCH MORE than a tragedy!  It is a catastrophic hell of Dantean proportions.  Think about the TENTH circle of ......HELL.

    2. dugoutwhirl profile image61
      dugoutwhirlposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amazing...!!

    3. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with the sentiment, but reserve the term "slave" to those whose liberty is directly controlled by another or a government.  While options of most Americans are clearly limited because of income inequality, I don't think it rises to "slave".

    4. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think we might be playing with "Semantics" My Esoteric ~ When an individual is Forced to Work 4 a MASTER, He/She is a "SLAVE" ~ When a person is Forced to Work 4 a Corporation, He/She is a "Slave" ~ The ONLY Difference is the "Legalese" ~

    5. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Right - let's call Websters so AP can rewrite the dictionary to his liking.

    6. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You guys go back in time and tell the african americans that you are slaves too... lol. Sure we have corrupt leaders and rich people. But to say that we are slaves is SO ignorant. You don't have to stay here... go ahead and leave!(: Could the slaves?

    7. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The emerging disaster of Obamacare
      Bad news about the costs of health insurance just keeps getting badder

      Check out the Washington times http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/ … obamacare/

  11. promisem profile image98
    promisemposted 2 years ago

    She actually said they can participate if they pay for it.

    "There are two steps here," the Democratic presidential front-runner said in a televised town hall on CNN. "If someone can afford to pay for an insurance policy off the exchanges that were set up under the Affordable Care Act, I support that."

    Even if an immigrant is not in the country legally, they should be able to pay full price for health insurance, she said. "If they can afford it, they should be able to go into the marketplace and buy it."

    1. Travel'n Person profile image68
      Travel'n Personposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Illegal immigrants already have free health care - it's called the emergency room.  That's where poor people went before the ACA bill put everyone under health insurance.  We (the tax payers) always paid for this anyway.

    2. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So do the millions of other people who don't have health insurance. And there are still millions.

    3. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No illegal is going to pay for health insurance no matter how you look at it, but if they think she is saying they can get it free they'll vote for her, illegally, she is counting on it.

    4. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So you think all of the millions of illegal aliens in this country will be able to vote? How exactly?

    5. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who can believe anything that Hillary says?  She is corrupt as they came. She has a history of prevarications in one way or another.........

    6. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes illegals can vote.. well kinda.. see herehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-foster/democrats-benefit-from-illegal-immigrants-voting_b_1418523.html
      That is how Scott, lol I had to look it up tho.

    7. rebeccamealey profile image85
      rebeccamealeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The emergency room does not provide life-saving screenings. I have "Obama care". It is very affordable, and it saved my life last year.

    8. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Robert, that is an opinion piece by someone speculating that illegals can find a way to vote. He offers no proof.

    9. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ok Scott the huffingtonpost was wrong but your opinion on hubpages is correct? Yours is an opinion. It is fact that it is possible for illegals to vote. Do you think they won't try at all... none of them? C'mon it's common sense not even opinion!

    10. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Robert, I simply posted a quote by her from CNN. How is that my opinion?

    11. Act 3 profile image91
      Act 3posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott, thanks for a rational answer!

    12. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, Chet!

    13. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott,there you again misstating the truth to make it sound absurd.I never said millions of illegals will be able to vote,I've basically said if they want to they can find a way with the help of the Democrats.U r bing Intelectually Dishonest.

    14. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      not about that scott, we were talking about the illegals voting.

    15. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TSAD and Robert, if you think illegal aliens are voting, then provide proof from a credible source. And TSAD, don't get personal.

    16. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are those "morals" unbelievers possess, working for you?

    17. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norrie - please explain why you keep mentioning unbelievers - religion has no bearing on this discussion, it's a matter of human law we're discussing

    18. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott, give me proof they're not voting. Illegals have been caught voting, how can not know it, just google "illegals caught voting" yet you pretend there is no proof. You are so intellectually dishonest on every point you make!

    19. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do you think illegals are some kind of law abiding people?They have to break many laws in more than 1 country to get here,let alone to stay here,why would you think they are law abiding when it comes to voting for dems who'll giv'm amnesty?

    20. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph, please read the above posts. Do you really think this is he said, he said?

    21. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's your answer? Really, u'll try anything to avoid defending  your failed position now, you are so transparent in your tactics I wonder why u even bother.

    22. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm trying to find you two some virtual boxing gloves - this is getting fierce

    23. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralphy boy, you da man This is as virtual as you'll find, give me 5 http://www.daimanuel.com/wp-content/upl … h-five.jpg

    24. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ObamaCare’s 2016 Enrollment Failure Hits Working Class - http://www.investors.com/politics/capit … ment-fail/

  12. Dave Rupe profile image62
    Dave Rupeposted 2 years ago
  13. LiliMarlene profile image85
    LiliMarleneposted 2 years ago

    I wonder what your alternatives will be when it comes to election day. Actually I don't dare to think about this.

    1. profile image60
      pakistantodayposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      may be she got the best alternatives, she is a brillent Lady and more talented then Obama

    2. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I'm definitey going to believe that coming from someone who can't spell even when spellcheck is automatic!

    3. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Spell check doesn't catch words that are spelled correctly but used wrong.

    4. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What spellcheck do u use? brillent comes up as misspelled MZB. You are not so brilliant yourself.

    5. LiliMarlene profile image85
      LiliMarleneposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I wasn't talking about her alternatives, but about yours as the voters! I mean look at the 4 possible candidates and tell the world you really want one of these to reign your beautiful country. I wouldn't want any of them.

    6. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It's possible that the Sanders supporters and the Blue Blood Republicans simply stay home if its a Trump/Clinton battle - the low turnout could present a whole new set of variables

    7. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lili, you know what, I wouldn't either, but the real travesty is that the ones I'd like to see run wouldn't submit themselves and their loved ones to the circus it has become. So we are left with those who will. But who else WOULD u want?

    8. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      MzB....Yes you are brilliant, in many ways.  Hopefully you already know this. I've certainly come to think highly of you. The reality is, we need to care more about each other than we do about how we vote. You're an awesome lady.

  14. profile image60
    srikanth69posted 2 years ago

    I don't know much about politics but I know whats happening in America is not happening for good, people need to stand up and get united.

    1. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is hard to get united with extremists are shouting down everyone else.

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NPR AND HARVARD SAY: OBAMACARE IS A COMPLETE FAILURE

    3. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph ~ OBAMA-Care has Insured 18-20 MILLION MORE Americans & Eliminated Pre-Existing Condition "Premium GOUGING" by Insurance Companies & Eliminated Unilateral "Arbitrary CANCELLATION of Policy" by the Insurance Company ~ Hardly a Failure ~

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You remind me of a guy with a wrecked car telling how good of gas mileage it gets

    5. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      lol ~ Ralph, U Remind me of a GUY who Watches FOX Loser Snooze Channel a little too MUCH ~ SORRY if FACTs Contradict your ASSUMPTIONs, but the TRUTH, and ONLY the TRUTH is what I Present ~ 20 MILLION Americans will NOT be Stripped of OBAMACare

    6. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      i hope you don't handle money at your job - a Losing program, even if some people call it good, is a failure.  Not successful.

  15. Ken Burgess profile image89
    Ken Burgessposted 2 years ago

    Never mind that... she wants to allow in hundreds of thousands of undocumented Muslims (Syrian refugees and what have you) and she has actually promised that in her campaign!

    You like what has been going on in Brussels and Paris lately?

    Because Clinton plans on importing it here, and chastised Obama for not bringing them in fast enough!

    1. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No I don't like it and agree with you partner!

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Dems want America weak - this cannot be allowed

    3. Jackie Lynnley profile image88
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yet millions see her as a savior. They must be looking for satan is all I know. I think she and Bill are above the law millionaire alcoholics. Who can really imagine she has enough sense to be president?

    4. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know where that alcoholic part came from Jackie... but the rest yeah...

    5. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I can't understand all the support for lawbreakers who are hurting our economy.  American citizenship should matter more than it does to everyone.

    6. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this
    7. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jackie...just a quick response 2 UR comment. Funny U bring up the "alcoholic" issue. Looking at Bill the other day, he clearly has the facial changes & flaws of a heavy drinker. In fact his bulbous RED nose is a screaming symptom. He lives w/ HER

    8. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why would  sHilliary's husband have to be driven to drink? I mean aren't they the cat's pajamas of a happily married couple? What is it 40 plus years!! Without each other that probably would have been 40 year prison sentences each. :-o

  16. Kim Bryan profile image94
    Kim Bryanposted 2 years ago

    Actually, she said if they could afford it, they should be able to purchase it not give it to them free as your title implies.

    I am NOT a HC supporter, nor Trump, or Sanders - I despise all politicians these days; so that said...

    I do not support or condone illegals but fact is, they are here.  As such, if they can afford to purchase health insurance and can do so without the assistance of the American taxpayers, I'm okay with that. 

    But if they opt for a plan from the exchange, they are going to be sorely disappointed.

    1. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I used the exchange and was happy with the results. It listed 11 options that had better rates than the ones I saw shopping on my own. And I didn't get credits.

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What state Scott?

    3. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      @Scott, Better rates than what you had before Obamacare passed, like could you keep your old plan? Did you keep your doctor? How about the deductible, was that better?

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Inquiring minds want to know Scott!

    5. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kim, they aren't interested in facts, just hyperbole.

      I have helped several working people who earn a little more than minimum wage in Florida and Oregon find affordable healthcare from the exchanges.

    6. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott likely can't answer cause his intellectual dishonesty has just been stumped.

    7. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Esoteric - so,what?  The program is still a colossal failure -  we could have easily given every uninsured person coverage without hijacking the system and for less money...but you already know that

    8. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not interested in facts? That's you, not Ralph, and by the way Ralph never said give Obamacare for free, he said give them the ability to get it. Every citizen has been given that ability now Hiliary wants to give it to illegals.

    9. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, sorry I posted a fact instead of an uninformed opinion because I was away for the weekend. My state is Virginia. TSAD, rates grew last year at the lowest amount since before Obamacare passed. Look it up if you dare.

    10. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I wonder why you answered a Q I didn't ask=dodge YOU didn't answer my questions"Better rates than what you had before Obamacare passed"NO"could you keep your old plan?"NO"Did you keep your doctor?"NO"the deductible, was that better?"NO,

    11. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, of course not. How could anyone's rate be better than 5 years ago? Yes, yes and yes. Sorry I can't answer every detail of every one of your attacks on your timetable.

    12. blargablarga profile image77
      blargablargaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I also got a much better deal under the ACA than I had before, as did most people in my state (Ky) despite our senator and governor fighting every step of the way. Unfortunately, it still needs a bit of improvement, but it's better than it was.

    13. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      See Scott,that's where you aren't honest.You act like Obamacare is great while your state is probably the best of them all,others horrendous,it hasn't provided anything they promised like a $2500 savings over 5 years ago-u are deceptive

    14. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott I don't get why you say "how can anybodys rate be better than five years ago?". If obamacare was supposed to be an improvement why wouldn't there be better rates?

    15. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Robert, because inflation pushes up prices on everything. That being said, health care costs have slowed to the lowest increase in 20 years. http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/na … 388800.htm

    16. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Homes are comparable to the prices five years ago along with vehicles... I am pretty sure the dollar is pretty damn close to where it was five years ago...

    17. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Florida & Oregon have great options as well.  I know several people who r very happy with it n Florida; some couldn't get insurance & others reduced their payment while getting better coverage.  (My massage lady is one; a friend of hers is an

    18. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Moda lost $30 million and exited the Oregon exchange until the regulators begged them to come back to keep everyone from losing their coverage

    19. dugoutwhirl profile image61
      dugoutwhirlposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Its wonderful

  17. Jackie Lynnley profile image88
    Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years ago

    She has her millions and not stopping anytime soon and I am sure being president has more to do with gain than helping America! Sure, we will foot the bill and when we fold under Bill and Hillary can live wherever they want. Doing this for illegals gives her their vote and another four years in office, if we survive that long.
    What really make me get whiplash though is all the ones who just think she is so wonderful! Honestly I would rather have Bill back than Hillary...I would have probably two timed her too so I don't worry so much about that. At least he finally faced his lies and paid for his crimes by impeachment! How is a known criminal even allowed to run for president?

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Off topic, but have you seen how unhealthy Bill has been looking?

    2. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Get Bill back?He was impeached for perjury&OofJ(acquitted?How that happen?).According to more than1of his alleged victims Hiliary is Bill’s enabler,the chief protector of their abuserWho'd want accused sex predator back inWHor his wife?

    3. Jackie Lynnley profile image88
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes I think he looks like an alcoholic which I believe them both to be. Things they do and things they say and they are going to be in charge of our country? God forbid.

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I heard Bill has advanced Heart Disease and he's now a vegan???  I'm really watching to see her VP pick, as she may die in office if elected.

    5. fpherj48 profile image76
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Awww....what a pity.  sad

    6. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Didn't Jorge Ramos ask her if she drops dead, will she quit the presidential race?Oh, no that was indicted. Maybe someone should ask her if she is indicted will she drop dead. :-)

  18. clivewilliams profile image84
    clivewilliamsposted 2 years ago

    Which of the illegals. The illegal Europeans whom came to america and  killed off the real Americans? or illegal migrants?

    1. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      right on! Probably both goodness Lord have mercy lol.

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Stirring the pot Clive? We're talking illegals of today....but you knew that!  Thanks for stopping by

    3. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TRUTH always "hurts" Ralph!
      Can "dish it out," but can't "take it?"

    4. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Would you rather have had the indians stay here. The black people would have never sold their own to the white man in america then. It would just be indians here. No whites or blacks. I thought you meant syrians to europe, my bad at 1st!!!

    5. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm, Europeans came here illegally and killed the Indians? When was that centuries ago? What law did they break that made them illegals?

      Really Clive, if you want to make a point go where that is the discussion or at least be truthful.

    6. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norrie - funny but you have no clue about what my comments mean to people I know - you sound so juvenile with your taunting - try commenting like a grown up - I respect Clive a lot and the comment was humor.....

  19. poetryman6969 profile image69
    poetryman6969posted 2 years ago

    No western "leader" seems to have the interests of legal citizens of their own countries at heart.  All of them are making sure rape refugees and foreign criminals can invade and take all the jobs, benefits and money.  Looks like bribed treason to me.


    One of the things people forget is that the slave owning class--the wealthy corporations--benefit from all this slave labor and they don't give a damn if legal college grads can't get a job in their own country.

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You know what, the "leaders" are who their electorates wanted (maybe not considering election fraud but who can prove it?). They got what they voted for, if we don't like it we should vote them out but then vote the right people in!

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They are blinded by the money waved in front of them by people like George Soros

    3. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      which is why Trump is such a maligned and attacked candidate, because Soros and others know they can't buy him, they know they can't easily destroy him... so they are doing EVERYTHING within their power to destroy his reputation and campaign.

    4. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Acandidate who can't be bought isa game changer,&for President a potential gamechanger of the entire system,a spoiler both party establishments are scared to death of which shows they've more in common with each other than own constituents.

    5. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ken - both parties stand to suffer if a non establishment candidate wins, so Trump gets it both barrels

    6. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TSAD they have more in common with each other because no matter what side has power in Washington they continue to pass agreements and laws that are killing our country... from NAFTA to TPP from Borders not controlled to businesses hiring illegals

    7. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ken, now that's the plain truth. No one can argue with your statement, that's why to fix things the Democrat/Republican cabal members, including all those who sit by and do nothing but watch as America is sold down the river need to be gone.

  20. Kathleen Cochran profile image82
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years ago

    I find it amazing how one party is  full of the conservative Christians, but it's the other party that is concerned about "the least of these."  Now, remind me.  Just who are supposed to be the Christians?

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The least of these? yeah they're concerned about them, that's why Democrat policies have left them worse off than they were 50 years ago, read the stats on Blacks or can't you find that in the hole in the ground your head is in.

    2. Kathleen Cochran profile image82
      Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wow.  Remind me not to comment on one of your posts again.  Sorry to offer another point of view.

    3. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh,u poor victim.Can't you get anything right?This is not my thread &your comment is a total lie&a false attack on Christianity.But that's what we've come to expect from someone so blind as to think Hiliary is qualified to be president.

    4. Jackie Lynnley profile image88
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes tell me who are Christians who kill unborn babies, tell me?No need, we all know.

    5. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kathleen, welcome to right-wing extremism. It's because of these people that I left the Republican Party and now vote my conscience rather than blindly follow some party ideology.

    6. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Huh, conscience? If you had one you'd be embarrassed at your own remarks.

    7. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tsad, you seem to be filled with the same kind of hate that is destroying the Republican Party.

    8. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again with religion.  I'd really appreciate staying on topic.  There are plenty of hubs and forums to argue abortion, religion, or party membership.  Thanks

    9. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Talk about personal attacks,I haven't said one hateful thing,just observations of the truth.U use another liberal tactic,when lost argument(yes u've lost)demean the messenger,call him a racist,a hater,or a anything to take the focus off ur fail

    10. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If that's what you want, Ralph, then stop his personal attacks and inflammatory rhetoric -- "liberal looney", "liar", "rapist", "bimbo", "sex predator", "the hole in the ground your head is in," etc.

  21. Kaiserfailed profile image67
    Kaiserfailedposted 2 years ago

    I have no idea what you're talking about. What is an "illegal alien"?

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What's the matter? Your google search not working? Maybe you'll understand poetry. http://www.funny.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects … Alien_Poem

    2. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Please look it up on google instead of wasting space on this page.

    3. PDXBuys profile image76
      PDXBuysposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      An illegal alien is a foreigner who is in the U.S. illegally.  There are roughly 11 million illegal aliens in the country right now.

    4. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      PDX, what are you an enabler? :-) He has to learn how to educate himself, after all just look at his name! Tells the whole story.

    5. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He's baiting you, that's why I didn't respond - it's a moronic tactic of playing dumb to attempt to shame us for calling them illegal - I have no shame, so it doesn't work on me - I loathe illegals, they are lawbreakers and need deported

    6. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I laugh,they say you can't deport 11 million illegals,it would cost,blah,blah.What a red herring.Stop giving them jobs&freebies,allow them to freely go back over the border&they'd be gone in a year.Givetaxcredits toUberfor rides to border!lol

  22. My Esoteric profile image92
    My Esotericposted 2 years ago

    You know what, I would be more worried about that citizens have higher crime and lower education rates than illegal immigrants.  Immigrants know more about the American government than probably you do.

    1. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have any facts to back this up or is it your opinion? I am not worried so much about the crime... its all the money & liberties they get from us while people here suffer! We need to take care of all our peoples health before illegals!

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I doubt it, and don't confuse legal immigrants with illegals - no one has a problem with those who obey our laws.  Most illegals border on illiterate - educate yourself before making such comments

    3. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah as long as they do it right and don't make the ones who are suffer, then come on over to A-merry-ca!(:

    4. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "...than probably you do?" Ralph and Roob, you've just witnessed a real life page form the liberal play book if there ever was one. First lie, then condescendingly demean people you don't even know because they might disagree with you. Sick

    5. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Tsad, but all conversations get bomb throwers and the "prove it" type - instead of bringing a comprehensive fact based argument, they use propaganda and personal attacks

    6. Jackie Lynnley profile image88
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      America is billions in debt, we have no funds for all these added daily to the bankroll. It is going to be a disastrous end but ones like the Clinton's don't have to live here once they have raked in all their millions, do they? We do.

    7. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph, you don't seem to mind bomb throwers like tsad on your side of the aisle. If you want a civil debate, I suggest you challenge anyone who acts uncivil and not just the other side.

    8. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Listen to Scott. I don't throw bombs, I point out facts, Scott on the other hand is just mad (and should be embarrassed) because the facts he call bombs usually blow up him and his liberal looney friend's propaganda.

    9. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scott - Tsad - pleas don't turn this into a he said, he said issue.  I'd like to continue to focus on the topic above.  Could Hillary be saying this as a way to generate some money to help Obamacare limp along?

    10. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I strongly disagree that I have sunk to his level. His words --  "sick", "liberal looney", "liar", "rapist", "bimbo", "sex predator", "You are not so brilliant yourself",  "the hole in the ground your head is in," etc.

    11. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Come on guys, can't we all agree that the democrats give more to the illegal immigrants than the republicans across the board?! Can't we also agree that the illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting these benefits?!

    12. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's right keep the focus off your fail. All those words are truth, not name calling, observations of the truth, on the other hand you deceive, divert and just stop answering questions when shown you are wrong.

    13. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, no. Mexicans just burned Obama in effigy because the deportation of illegals under his administration reached an all-time high. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/27/politics/ … ump-obama/

    14. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh no they get sent back over with no punishment & just have to walk back over again? Lol they can commit non violent crimes such as dealing dope or whatever then just get sent back home

    15. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      More Scott deception,Obama's deportations are result of his change in how they calculate them.It used to be they didn't include those turned at the border,now they do.His actual deportations without including those are down. google it

    16. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Robert, it disputes your point that Democrats cater to illegals. If they were, wouldn't deportations be plunging?

    17. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You just said they were at an all time high? Then TSAD said you were wrong with the calculations... well Scott either way if they are up or down does that change what democrats give to them? I don't see how because they can just come back anyways.

    18. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Robert, thought someone might ask.  From the Right-wing Wall Street Journal - http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythica … 1436916798

    19. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How can u possibly ascertain how likely illegals are to commit crimes when we don't know how many are here,estimates range from 10 million to 30 million,you can only document those who get caught&they don't report crimes to other illegals

    20. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      who are most likely their targets since they can only interact with illegals or get caught. Can't you think for yourself instead of swallowing any media's crapola about studies?. You can site a study to prove almost anything.

    21. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      the cat has someones tongue.
      Many of the illegal immigrants wind up as our crime statistics.

  23. profile image58
    Everythingfootyposted 2 years ago

    I really like her ,and I think she's good for the job

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Would you mind listing some of those things that make her good for the job?

  24. meloncauli profile image94
    meloncauliposted 2 years ago

    The UK's health service is hanging on by a thread. We dont build social housing any more. Benefits are getting cut. It's difficult to get an appointment to see your general doctor. Last time I was in the waiting room, I was surrounded by East Europeans all talking in their own language.

    It doesnt take Einstein to realise that the influx of migrants in our country is breaking the infrastructure but all we are fed is how wonderful integration is and how they will do the jobs we won't (apparently). There is a factory near me. It is run by East Europeans and tends to only employ their own. Its like being taken over.

    Cameron, Obama et al need to start looking at the infrastructure of their own countries. Charity begins in the home.
    Not kidding, people of the UK have just about had enough of all the political correctness and rights for everyone it seems....except the British. We have put up and shut up too long.
    Sorry this wasnt directly linked to your question but I find it hard to keep quiet these days .

    1. roob profile image82
      roobposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Right on it is bad here in America... i feel for ya guys!

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What you are sharing is pertinent to this discussion, even if we just use it as a window forward to see how our system could be infiltrated and collapsed by non-citizens

    3. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I was just trading comments with someone from the UK who was singing praise of the UK Health Service??

  25. blargablarga profile image77
    blargablargaposted 2 years ago

    I genuinely thought that was already a thing.  Employers should certainly be required to provide insurance for all employees, regardless of immigration or citizenship status.  The option to buy into healthcare should already be available to everyone.  The fact that it isn't greatly disturbs me.  You can't even get a student visa to ANY country for a study-abroad without picking up health insurance for that country (going from the US to somewhere else).  There are people who are working, paying into the system, who have a tax ID number, or they wouldn't be able to fill out the paperwork.  So it's not like it's free or anything?  I'm not understanding how anyone would have a problem with this?  This is something that should have been implemented already and I don't understand how it wasn't.  This is pretty late to the game, but I guess better late than never.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I believe you have legal immigration and illegal immigration somehow overlapped - no one has any problem with legal immigrants becoming part of the system, but when lawbreaking illegals are added to the mix, it creates problems

    2. blargablarga profile image77
      blargablargaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm an accountant.  I fill out these forms for a living.  To qualify for ACA you have to have a tax ID # or SS#.  You have to have it for the form so the government can track you through your insurance provider.

    3. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed but Hillary Clinton is proposing we give it to illegal aliens, which would have anew set of guidelines, I'm sure.  That's why people are in an uproar, since 85% of those on it already are subsidized

    4. blargablarga profile image77
      blargablargaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      By "illegal aliens" do you mean undocumented workers or people who have overstayed their visas?  Because the vast majority are in the second category and would have an ID# that just got bounced back, and I assume it would just stop bouncing?

    5. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It was a blanket statement made by Mrs. Clinton - difficult to tell

    6. blargablarga profile image77
      blargablargaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well if you're undocumented you'd be documented and issued an id, and you're working so your employer would be paying into the system.  And if not your ID's just expired.  So either way, you shouldn't be denied insurance.

    7. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A blanket statement by a liar solely to pander to Hispanics,Congress will never allow it&she knows it.Democrats only keep minorities around so they can use them.Obama promised them amnesty, controlled congress for 2 years&got them nada.

  26. Oztinato profile image73
    Oztinatoposted 2 years ago

    It's called compassion. Those people without compassion are called sociopaths or psychopaths.

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's right,&when compassion is a feigned reason while the real reason she does it is not compassion but simply to get votes &given her lifelong record of lying&no compassion for Sex'lAslt victims u have a serious sociopath/psychopath.

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are you opening your house to the poor, the destitute, and the illegal aliens?  Compassion is a term used a lot, but not always executed upon.

    3. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hiliary whasn't driven a car in 30 years,u think she has a compassionate bone in her body,for her Bill'sSAvictims,or the military&their families(lied to their faces on Benghazi)or even her daughter whom she included in lie about sniperfire?

  27. Mick Beet profile image34
    Mick Beetposted 2 years ago

    A citizen is entitled to health care..they are not aliens ...thats hitler
    talk

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      illegals are not citizens, I think you are confused, however even illegals are not denied healthcare here, all anyone need do is go to an emergency room or maybe pay for it like everyone else.

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, that's official US immigration code terminology - illegal alien, resident alien, etc.  Hiltler would,have executed them, let's be serious here.

  28. Alternative Prime profile image70
    Alternative Primeposted 2 years ago

    First of all, Nothing is Collapsing ~ Secondly, Most Un-Documented Immigrants are much MORE Patriotic than MOST Conservative Republicans holding citizenship and therefore deserve adequate Health-Care ~ Hillary is a Humanitarian while "Drumpf" Trump actually believes Wages at $7.25 per hour for AMERICAN Workers is TOO HIGH ~ Yup, he actually thinks that's true ~ Most "Quote Un-Quote" Christians have NEVER opened a Bible in their lives, if they did, they would certainly understand the FACT that the ENTIRE Theme revolves around Taking Care of your Fellow Human BEING, NOT leaving them to Suffer ~ That's a FACT ~

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Totally wrong - almost every exchange is collapsing.  Illegal Aliens are not patriotic.  And then you go off on a hijack trip - too bad you can't have a real conversation based on facts instead of liberal propaganda.

    2. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Here's the FACTs ~ Un-Documented Immigrants Pick your Tomatoes, Clean your Hotel ROOMs, and Wash your CARS ~ CONservative Republicans OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increases for Working Individuals ~ So Who's MORE Patriotic?

    3. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      you sadly don't understand economics - raising the minimum wage would do nothing but drive all prices up and lower employment levels - try reading Econ 101 - the owners aren't giving up profits, they pass those variable costs along

    4. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AP you are right nothing is collapsing, because it never inflated after the 2008 collapse. Just because you use the word, "FACT" dn make it so.
      What book do you read to get your FACTS?
      20 million more people, most with catastrophic deductions.

    5. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      lol ~ Obama-Care is NOT Collapsing, I can pick Up the Cell and Enroll in a Policy Right NOW ~ Secondly, GROTESQUE CORPORATE CEO Pay has been DRAMATICALLY Increasing yet NO Detrimental Affect yet RIGHT? GO After Greedy CEO's NOT Working Americans ~

    6. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ouch - the Fed and their Osamacare boo boo  http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2 … e-boo.aspx

  29. Galaxy-Gal profile image80
    Galaxy-Galposted 2 years ago

    What rag do you get your information from? Obamacare exchanges are not collapsing; we now have 20 million more people with insurance who previously were not covered, and mostly in Red states. And the nation's economy has steadily recovered since President Bush left it in shambles. What IS collapsing, however, is the Republican Party. I'm afraid it's too late to resuscitate. Brain death has already occurred.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Politico, Forbes, CNBC, NY Times  - maybe if you'd do a little research before spouting propaganda, you'd know.  I'm happy the Republican Party is collapsing - they rolled over to every disaster Obama set them up for - America made weaker.

    2. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Just a couple years after ACA was implemented,12 out of 23 co-ops failed,costing taxpayers $1.2 billion.Google obamacares collapse

    3. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      One Washington Post article, circa 2015, said about 33% of new plans created 4 ACA will fold by the end of 2015. That isn't too bad when you consider that 80% of new businesses fold within the first 2 to 3 years of their existence. It's all relative.

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I wrote an in-depth article on this topic that I'd encourage people to read - it's non-partisan and full of facts.  It shows the underside of Obamacare some might not believe

    5. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ME, 80% where did u get that? "About half of all new establishments survive five years or more and about one-third survive 10 years or more-Source:U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics,  Even  Zeke Emanual said this about new business failures

    6. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      and the failed co ops are only 3 years old http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st … r-average/ Can't you ever be honest?

    7. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with everything you've said Gabby with one addition ~ The Republican Party has Collapsed already ~ 20 MILLION Americans with Health-Care ~ Pre-Existing Conditions GONE ~ Ins. Companies can NO Longer Cancel an individuals Policy ~ ALL GOOD ~

    8. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And it all could have been done without hijacking the system - funny but if the Republicans would have made such a power grab, you'd be shouting in the streets....

    9. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As you WELL know, the 80% is a general rule of thumb used by many.  But, the more current #s are (fail rate)  2 yr ~ 24%; 3 yr ~ 38%; 4 yr ~ 45%; 5 yr ~ 51% - Interesting, Exchanges are no different than other businesses. So much for your hyperbole.

    10. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      80%? by many? that makes it true? many liars! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxDjbq7nJzk but then when did you ever care about the truth? I haven't seen it yet, ME.

    11. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Gabby
      You must be a government employee to believe that the US economy is not still as fragile as it was in 2007. Gov employees are shielded from the reality of the economy. Maybe if there jobs would follow the economy like those in the private secto

    12. Alternative Prime profile image70
      Alternative Primeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      lol ~ What's wrong with Government Employees? Most are MORE Patriotic than CONservative Republicans ~ P.S. ~ Always Remember, it was Imbecile George W. Bush & his incompetent Republican Cabinet that Undermined & Destroyed OUR Economy ~

    13. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, like Lois Lerner, or how about the selective service whoring in Europe, let me see, remember this guy? https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2 … 25x250.jpg

  30. Barbara Kay profile image93
    Barbara Kayposted 2 years ago

    Clinton only wants to allow those that can pay full price for their insurance to be allowed to buy at the marketplace. The marketplace it what you refer to as Obamacare. So many sites don't tell the entire truth and I am sorry to see that happen here at Hubpages.

    Obamacare has worked really well for us and I haven't heard of the exchanges collapsing anywhere, but here.

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "I haven't heard of the exchanges collapsing anywhere"well what are you doing leaning your head out the window?Just a couple years afterACAwas implemented,12 out of 23 co-ops failed,costing taxpayers $1.2 billion.Google obamacares collapse

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You are right, many sites try to hide the facts about Obamacare - fortunately the truth is available here.  I suggest you do an Internet search and you'll see the truth no plotical slant, just the facts.

  31. RJ Schwartz profile image92
    RJ Schwartzposted 2 years ago

    Obamacare - an in-depth look

    http://hubpages.com/politics/Taking-a-H … or-Failure

    A non-partisan look at the numbers, the economics, and the future of President Obamas signature piece of legislation.

  32. PDXBuys profile image76
    PDXBuysposted 2 years ago

    It feels awful.  We are $19 trillion in debt already (Obama doubled the national debt).  Imagine what it will be after four our eight years of Hillary as president.  We must get spending under control.

    1. tsadjatko profile image60
      tsadjatkoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What's a few trillion here or there? The Democrats would gladly borrow another 19 trillion if it meant electing a woman president! Wow! a woman president! sends a thrill up my leg, or is that sciatica?

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed - America is broke and not one single leader has tried to reduce the debt

  33. profile image57
    rajashahzadnasirposted 2 years ago

    She's also the only Clinton to win the Iowa caucuses. ... Expand Obamacare but do not attempt to create a universal ... Give undocumented residents a path to legal status. ... Clinton told CNN in 2014 she wants to see more studies and research ... As candidate, Clinton affirmed her commitment to a two-state .

 
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