Hillary just affirmed she wanted to give Obamacare to illegals. How does that feel?
Obamacare exchanges are collapsing everywhere, people are paying too much, now Hillary wants to expand the program to illegal aliens. How can anyone who wants to see America continue as a nation support the financial erosion we are seeing from the Democrats?
Ralph America used to be the land of opportunity, but today that opportunity is for unlimited handouts without any contributions to supporting the country. It is like the sample carts at Costco, anyone gets them regardless of whether they buy anything.
Obamacare has not adversely affected the government employees, who are public servants but treated like the master. Their retirement FERS, and and healthcare FEHS are one of the best in the nation.
Meanwhile, in the private sector, many good insurance plans were deemed not up to Obamacare, and they were replaced by higher costs, higher deductibles, and poorer coverage.
Adding tens of millions of people to an already under performing system doesn't improve the quality of care.
Illegals have already been using hospital emergency rooms as their doctor for free.
In CA the illegals already have the right to get driver licenses, so now they will also get Obamacare.
The US is a great country, if you weren't born here. BTW, a great picture of Hillary. That shows without saying a word, why she should not be president.
Could have been done without taking over the system - look to my complete hub in the topic and comment there on the entire program, costs, etc. plenty of people give Obamacare a failing grade regardless of the few benefits
It's true Ralph, just Google [Obamacare exchanges are collapsing everywhere] and the hits are amazing!
But how can anyone be surprised Hiliary has to promise illegals healthcare? She has to give them something for voting for her, which is her prime reason for promising anything, to get votes, especially from illegals. What the heck they are here illegally, do you think there is anything to stop them from fraudulently voting? Illegally? They are lawbreakers no matter how you look at it.
But then she knows Obamacare will go bust so what is she promising them? An empty promise for sure, her trademark behavior toward what she considers "the peasants", who she believes are too stupid to know better so she'll promise the pig in a poke, Obamacare.
Look at this primary. The states that recently passed voter ID laws, I think there were 7 or 8, all reported a drop in Democrat turnout at the polls of 30% or more while the Republican turnout was up over 50% in these same states.
Do you really thing the Democrats care so little about voting for Hiliary (or Bernie), the next Supreme court appointment, NO WALL, that they sat at home while the Republicans turn out in huge record numbers, a 50% increase? No way. The voter ID laws are keeping them (and illegals) from voting multiple times, FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
This is obvious! This is the reason why the DOJ under Holder and the rest of the Democrats were so against requiring voter IDs despite the fact that you can't do anything, get anything, go anywhere in this country without an ID. They know they can't win elections without voter fraud, without people voting multiple times in key precincts or without illegals voting where it counts. The Democrat Party of today is a lawless cabal, only using the law when they can to their benefit and ignoring it (like Hiliary's crimes) when convenient. This can't be hidden forever!
So there it is, the obvious reason Hiliary NEEDS to endear herself to Illegals. If she is elected you can look for her to propose annexing (with their cooperation) Canada, Mexico and Cuba just so she and the Democrat cabal will have an eternal majority of Democrat voters and will no longer need to cheat to get elected. Honestly, to them that idea would be a paradise, why wait until they turn America into a banana republic.
Man you are fast, I just posted the answer! :-) You know 4 or 5 years ago your hubs and Q&As would be swamped with liberals combating you, since Obamacare failed they have all but disappeared from these conversations.
Comrades, do not fear the machine! The machine is good! The machine will take care of you as long as you bow down and get the mark! Long live the machine! Those without the mark will be rounded up and questioned! Long live the machine!
America under the NEW Democratic Leftist Socialist Party is now a land of the welfare state par excellence. President Obama started the trend, now Hillary wants to continue. Smart people are waking up to the leftist program. The Democrats are not the old, sensible Democrats but a branch of the Socialist/Communist Party. Democrats are leaving the party in droves because of this leftist nonsense. No wonder the middle class is becoming near to extinct. Is it a wonder that Mr. Trump has so much appeal to thinking Americans?!
Hillary is of the same cloak as Bernie but is more mainstream. I don't want any of these leftists to be President of the United States. We Americans have SUFFERED ENOUGH! President Obama has almost achieved his goal into turning America into a socialist country. If Hillary becomes President, America will go down the financial tubes for sure!
If i had a nickle for every time I've seen this kind of rhetoric i'd be rich. You should run for office. The sky is always falling and your type is so mellow dramatic that you belong on a Broadway stage. This country is still standing. Walk outside.
Here's a couple MORE Positive Facts about Obama-Care which are simply IGNORED by Republicans ~ You can no longer be Discriminated Against or "Premium GOUGED" for a Pre-Existing Condition ~ An Ins, Company can no longer CANCEL a policy ARBITRARILY ~
Yup I saw this newscast from another country and they were like "do the Americans not see this, that he is acting deliberately, this must be part of some plan, he is destroying his country" It was entertaining yet scary in a way!
Notice,liberals start with falsehoods&when debunked end with calling u hateful extremists while conservatives start with debunking lies&end with themdisappearing.http://www.naturalnews.com/052427_Obama_America_fundamental_transformation.html
Actually, in REALITY, we do NOT live in a Socialistic Society, nor a Democracy, nor a Republic, we live in a "Capitalistic KINGDOM" where a small few Corrupt individuals control the majority of the American Population as their SLAVEs ~
Roob, well that article is plain and simply true, I don't care where it originated. AP.watch this and then rethink your "kingdom" error. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0-cDKMS5M Donahue is made to look like a bufoon.
I would not say we are slaves, the african americans were slaves... we have it much much better now a days. However yes this world is enslaved to a wrong set of morals or what most people would consider liberal and politically correct.
Actually, in REALITY, unless you are Very Fortunate, Inherit a FORTUNE, Hit the Lottery, or are Extremely LUCKY, you must work for a living and you are forced to WASTE at Least 50% or MORE of your LIFE here on Planet EARTH , this makes you a SLAVE ~
A.P. News flash: U don't get to label anyone a "SLAVE." Speak 4 Urself. Never once in my life have I ever been a slave 2 any person nor thing. I've had both luck & more than my share of misfortunes.Not a moment of my life has been wasted.UR angry
Actualy Ralph, the Nonsensical Rhetoric is abundant in "Republican PRETEND-Land", where REALITY like Drastic Climate CHANGE is Denied & Dismissed ~ In CONTRAST, I Market ONLY Facts which I encourage ALL my Readers to Verify & CONFIRM on their
I wasn't aware we were discussing the weather AP - your version of the facts is comical, but if believing in them helps you sleep at night, then continue. I'm glad my healthcare is self funded - have fun with your Obama-fail
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but here's the FACTs ~ I can indeed call RIGHT now and Purchase an Ins. Policy via the ACA ~ Pre-Existing C's are NO Longer & your Policy CANNOT be Cancelled Arbitrarily due to the ACA ~ Just the FACTs ~
It's irrelevant as to who provides my Insurance Policy ~ You said I don't post Factual Info and everyone around here understands that to be a False Allegation ~ P.S. ~ Concerned about Ins. Costs / Premiums? The BLAME is on Insurance Co's, NOT ACA ~
ASSUME away Ralph & I already inserted my OPINION about hard Working Un-Documented Individuals gaining access to ACA ~ Missed it?, Un-Documented Immigrants who pick our fruit are MORE Patriotic than CONservatives who OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increa
Um...Ralph, I just gave you an irrefutable EXAMPLE of WHY but let me try again ~ Un-Documented Workers pick our FRUIT, Wash our Cars, & Keep our Hotel Rooms CLEAN ~ CONservative Congress-Persons OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increases ~ WHO is Patriotic?
Repeating a nonsensical answer doesn't make it suddenly true - what you are saying is that it's your opinion of such and you have no verifiable facts at all....but I already knew that since illegal aliens aren't too open about being surveyed
lol ~ Yup Ralph, ONLY in "Republican PRETEND-Land" Un-Documented Immigrants DO NOT Pick FRUIT & Clean Hotel ROOMs ~ I guess they become LAWYERs ~ Anyone who thinks Republicans OBSTRUCTING Wage Increases is "Patriotic" is Un-Patriotic him/herself
Dude, give it a rest. Patriotism is an emotional attachment to a nation which an individual recognizes as their homeland. Any illegal who can't even bother to learn English isn't patriotic and the minimum wage is irrelevant.
"DUDE" ~ Patriotism is about HELPING your Fellow Human Being attain a "Better Quality of LIFE" like paying him/her a WAGE he/she DESERVES, NOT just "SAYING" you're a Patriot which ALL Republicans do then proceed to Suppress Wages & Health Care ~
My Esoteric ~ I appreciate your research & Here's a FACT ~ PHONEY "National Pride" as CONservative Republicans Display will NEVER Enhance the Lives of the Majority of Americans but raising the Minimum Wage & Providing Health Care certainly wi
Given Congress won't enhance the EITC enough to substitute for the minimum wage, we are stuck with it. I do, however, buy the argument that high MW's do suppress new business and the job growth that goes with it. An expanded EITC wouldn't do that.
My Esoteric ~ What individuals like Ralph don't seem to understand is Obstructing Minimum Wage Increases & Health Care Access as Republicans do, is Un-American & Un-Patriotic that's WHY states across the U.S. are unilaterally INCREASING Wages
Well of course she did. She is well aware that many of the 12 million or so illegal's in this country vote and she needs their votes. Why do you think the libs fight voter ID requirements so hard?
Obamacare has set back the quality and increased the cost of healthcare for millions of Americans. It would have been better and cheaper just to give free insurance to citizens who really needed healthcare.
Thousands of citizens were cut back to less than 30 hours per week making them part time employees. That was done so their employers were not mandated to pay their healthcare costs or the fines. Even a moron could have figured out this would happen when that law was written. But it did make the unemployment numbers look good because employers had to hire more part time employees to fill their work demand.
Most all of this is insanity at best, and it will get worse before it gets fixed. If we provided job training instead of welfare we would be back on the road to recovery.
It is looking more like the main mission of this administration was to further destroy our economy, divide the people, and create more dependence on government. In that, they have been very successful.
MizB, not informed are you? California Governor Jerry Brown signed the New Motor Voter Act, which will automatically register people to vote through the DMV, results in illegal aliens voting.BO's temporary deportation amnesty makes it easy
Not informed? Does your law have a clause that says illegals can vote. Ours doesn't. I work as a legal editor and a DMV voter registration does not trump the Constitution and allow illegals to vote no matter how it reads.
The constitution is of no value if it is not enforced and the Democrat party, this President, contrives ways to get around it daily and if not they simply refuse to enforce it - wake up MzB. Just google "illegals vote" and read, you'll see.
That is exactly what it is all about & as many as can illegally vote wherever they can which we know happens. Just buy as many as they can with taxpayers money when her butt should be behind bars like months ago for any one of a dozen reasons.
Please provide proof from a credible source that mass numbers of illegals are voting and that Clinton has violated the law. When and where was she convicted? Is she innocent until proven guilty in a U.S. court of law?
An interesting article from one of the most conservative, anti-Democratic magazines in the country. I couldn't find any reference to mass voting by illegals, just references by some groups that want to make sure they can't vote.
Nice try at more ID. Try googling illegals caught voting. Where there is smoke there is fire, if you don't see that you are turning a blind eye to a problem solely because you don't want to admit you are wrong. Intellectually Dishonest
Yeah Right, GOOD Deeds for the Sake of HUMANITY as Hillary would do is ALWAYs considered a DISGRACE by Backward CONservative Republicans in Congress, but initiate a BILL to Give even MORE of our WEALTH to Wall Street and they are all over it ~
Hillary is Ready & Willing to SPEND Money on those Americans who Need Assistance, however, she nor Bernie are Ready nor Willing to give OUR Wealth to Wall Street Swindlers like "Drumpf" Trump ~ Hillary a "Criminal"? FALSE Accusation as usual ~
SORRY Ralph, but I've done my "Due Diligence" & I can't seem to find any "Criminal Records" to attribute any "BODY Count" to Hillary ~ But I did find Plenty of LEGAL Complaints Against "Drumpf" Trump ~ I POST Verifiable FACTs, apparently U Don't
I'm NOT interested in OPINION Ralph ~ You said Hillary C is a Criminal with "Bodies" attributed to her Criminal Activity ~ As proof, I'd like to see REAL Tangible EVIDENCE of your Dubious Claims ~ Conviction Docs. or Prison Records please ~
Are we talking legal complaints or convictions - i notice you change the words. Monica saved Hillary from going down over Whitewater. And of course she does have the blood of 4 Americans on her hands from Benghazi.
You, FOX Loser Snooze Channel, "Drumpf" Trump & other CONservatives have tried to make a Dubious yet COMICAL Career out of runnin' around the INTERNET making FALSE Accusations about Hillary C ~ When she's CONVICTED please let me KNOW ~
I suppose Cosby is guilty of nothing because he hasn't been convicted?I suppose the only crime Al Capone committed was tax evasion?I suppose there are no criminals on the street who haven't been convicted(or even charged)with crime?Naive!
Congratulations TSAD, in Theory, you've Successfully Subverted the ESSENCE of OUR Legal System but it's NO Big Surprise coming from a CONservative ~ Still waiting patiently for that elusive HARD Evidence of a Crime such as "Prison Records" ~
&what essence is that,no one is guilty of anything unless they are convicted?Cause that's your insane position.I suppose if ur mother was raped&didn't charge anyone you'd say the rapist is innocent?Naive as canbe.CRIMEhappens w/o legalsystem
lol ~ Keep it Up Fellas, FOX Loser Snooze would be very PROUD of you ~ In the mean time, I'll just keep waiting in anticipation of those PRISON Docs to PROVE your FALSE Accusations ~ P.S. ~ CONservative Paul Ryan is a CRIMINAL too ~ lol ~
Paul Ryan?Is he being investigated by the FBI?Has he left dead bodies in the wake of his career too?If so you could be right!Knowing you AP,you don't even have anything to accuse him of except being a Republican.Time you don ur tinfoil hat
Is she giving it away free? Should I go to Mexico and sneak back into the USA, posing as a Mexican illegal immigrant so I don't have to actually work for the things that born citizens and legal aliens are paying for? I am beginning to feel like they're getting a free ride while the rest of us work.
Well it does now in California as TSAD pointed out. The first step was to make it possible for illegals to get a drivers license. Then it is decided if they had a drivers license they could register to vote. Very slick on Gov. Browns part.
Middle class people NEED TO REVOLT! What is this #$%%%? Hillary has really gone........berserk! The Democratic Party ain't what it used to be, ain't what it used to be. The Old Democratic Party ain't what is used to be....hmmmm....
everyone else doesn't pay for it, don't you know how it works, if your income is below a certain level the government pays for it. If you are an illegal you likely can't or won't even say what you really make!
So what you are telling me is she said they could have it but can't get tax credits&we know they can't afford it,so she is lying to them(sounds like Hiliary).WHY?So they'll vote for her where they can thanks to Obama's&California's policies?
Scott - illegals don't deserve anything in reward for breaking American law other than a trip home - if they can afford to buy insurance, then they can pay for their own flights back to the country of their birth
Thank you, Ralph. I appreciate your gracious reply. I fully agree that illegals should not receive government benefits and that we need to do more to stop the flood. I just want to solve the problem with as much factual information as possible.
Robert, I meant to say that illegals shouldn't receive any "free" benefits. I don't have a problem if they pay for health insurance. I certainly think they should pay income taxes and Social Security taxes. I hope you still think that's reasonable.
Ralph, I don't want illegals here, not following the laws on immigration and not paying taxes. But if they are here and so far haven't been deported, would you rather have them pay for insurance and put a lid on costs or not pay for it at all?
Why would you pay social security if you weren't a citizen? That's an insurance that you pay into so you can later draw out of it. It makes no sense to pay into it if you aren't eligible for the program.
Scott, I'd rather just send them home. Allowing them to stay shows weakness of leadership in my opinion. When they come to an ER, we treat them and arrest them for deportation - sounds harsh, but it is the law
That's not the law. The law is to tell them that their visa is expired. You aren't required to report them and a medical professional certainly can't deport someone. A person is only deported if the renewal is rejected, after it's been processed.
No way! We don’t even adequately take care of our own citizens. I think Grace is right that the Democrats have turned into a Leftist Socialist Party, just as the Republicans have turned into a bunch of Fascists (Conservative, nah, that was eons ago). Hillary doesn’t even resemble the party of her husband anymore. I think part of the problem is that level-headed middle of the roaders no longer count, and that the increase of the Socialist Bernie welfare bunch is turning Hillary into an equally angry person. As far as giving illegals healthcare to buy their votes, it is Unconstitutional for Illegals to Vote (caps for emphasis). If you know of any illegals who voted, you need to turn them and the election officials in your town over to your election commission. However, when their children who are born in this country grow up, they are Citizens Who Can Legally Vote. We need to work to get this law of automatic citizenship for the children of born to non-citizens within our borders overturned. Until you work to do this, you really can’t complain. Write your congressmen and tell them how you feel, don’t blame the politicians who take advantage of current law. Don’t forget, Ted Cruz’s father fought alongside Castro before fleeing Cuba (source: The Broad Side) and Ted’s real given name is Rafael. Marco Rubio is also the child of Cuban immigrants who immigrated to the U.S. before Castro’s rise. (What's this Cuba thing, anyway?) However, “His mother made at least four trips back after Castro’s victory, including for a month in 1961. Neither of his parents was a U.S. citizen at the time of Rubio's birth, but his parents applied for U.S. citizenship and were naturalized in 1975.” Source Wikipedia. So make of that whatever you will.
And Trump’s a chump, so instead of turning this into a Hillary-bashing rant, let’s just bash them all.
There are plenty of serial rapists out there who haven't been convicted. You think you have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal? That's odd. Guess you believe Bill Cosby too? http://www.albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm
The middle class is dissolving. This is a Luciferian inference. It seems that welfare recipients, illegal aliens, & other freeloaders are living better than hard-working middle class Americans who are falling through the cracks!!!! Unbelievable
You my friend are as naive as a baby.I suppose if he had raped you,but it was just your word against his&he had a cabal to defame you so you couldn't press charges you'd say he didn't rape you because he wasn't charged?That's your position
Tsad, I know more about the Clintons than you ever will by reading hate mail. I've known Bill personally since 1978, and he has always been a gentleman. And I was more attractive than some of his so-called accusers, just not as cheap looking.
So THAT is the answer to my question?Nice dodge,u know the answer to my question proves your position is wrong.Hate mail?Where u get that?Bill's philandering is well documented,were I u I'd be embarrassed to be associated withoralsex&bimbos
You aren't aware of the multiple rape accusations against him as a result of his philandering? u new him personally since 1978?The year he raped Juanita Broaddrick, right. Nice company you were keeping, guess you approve of adultery too.
They work for less money taking jobs from legal citizens, they can work for less money because they get paid cash and do not pay taxes, and now the taxpayer that struggles to get a job has to foot the bill for their healthcare.
When people do illegal things they get in trouble or go to jail, these illegals sneak into the country illegally and get rewarded for it. Ship them out of here.
No need to ship anyone, stop giving them free stuff and jobs and they will leave for greener pastures. They know the way here, they can find the way back. Offer them free bus rides hiome then and you won't have enough buses.
Exactly Vince. This welfare scenario has GOT TO END. It started in the 1960s. Since then the welfare state has GROWN by leaps & bounds. It is time to cut welfare & other entitlement programs by 75-90%. ENOUGH is ..ENOUGH...is ENOUGH!!
So Ralph, it is your belief that the vast majority who receive Medicaid, Food Stamps, Housing Assistance, and other such assistance aren't embarrassed about being in such a position as needing it; that they actually like getting it?
Too many people make no attempt to escape dependency on the system. Society makes it too easy to stay on all the programs. And yes, many people would rather stay at home and collect it with no remorse or embarrassment.
I'll tell you what constitutes too many.Fedlaw prevents illegal aliens from receiving benefits meant forAmerican citizens.with the exception of emergency medical care.Because illegals are not legally entitled to these benefits does't mean
they don't apply for them.Do u think illegals who have broken laws even in other countries to get here,cheating legal immigrants,will respect our laws? Illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability,
public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state&federal agencies. Illegals then bear children who are U.S. Citizens and then they are eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps.
Illegals then bear children who are U.S.Citizens&then they are eligible for benefits such asWIC&food stamps.Illegals often worklow paying jobs so now qualify for benefits.Our own failures are what cause illegals to receive benefits.
Do working Americans not feel like slaves to the 1%? I mean they earn $434,682 a year and you guys earn, what, $60,000? And then some of you are paying loan interests so you don't actually keep that $60,000 for yourself.
Of course 1% of the USA pop is still 3 million people. That's 3 million people that look at the rest of you like termites, inferior slaves working for their wealth whilst they earn a killing investing in the stocks.
I'm sure they find it hilarious when the termites start blaming termites from other countries for getting basic health care. You're getting fleeced so bad you just have to pick on the one termite more abused and more vulnerable than even yourself. What a tragedy!
I agree with the sentiment, but reserve the term "slave" to those whose liberty is directly controlled by another or a government. While options of most Americans are clearly limited because of income inequality, I don't think it rises to "slave".
I think we might be playing with "Semantics" My Esoteric ~ When an individual is Forced to Work 4 a MASTER, He/She is a "SLAVE" ~ When a person is Forced to Work 4 a Corporation, He/She is a "Slave" ~ The ONLY Difference is the "Legalese" ~
You guys go back in time and tell the african americans that you are slaves too... lol. Sure we have corrupt leaders and rich people. But to say that we are slaves is SO ignorant. You don't have to stay here... go ahead and leave!(: Could the slaves?
She actually said they can participate if they pay for it.
"There are two steps here," the Democratic presidential front-runner said in a televised town hall on CNN. "If someone can afford to pay for an insurance policy off the exchanges that were set up under the Affordable Care Act, I support that."
Even if an immigrant is not in the country legally, they should be able to pay full price for health insurance, she said. "If they can afford it, they should be able to go into the marketplace and buy it."
Illegal immigrants already have free health care - it's called the emergency room. That's where poor people went before the ACA bill put everyone under health insurance. We (the tax payers) always paid for this anyway.
Ok Scott the huffingtonpost was wrong but your opinion on hubpages is correct? Yours is an opinion. It is fact that it is possible for illegals to vote. Do you think they won't try at all... none of them? C'mon it's common sense not even opinion!
Scott,there you again misstating the truth to make it sound absurd.I never said millions of illegals will be able to vote,I've basically said if they want to they can find a way with the help of the Democrats.U r bing Intelectually Dishonest.
Scott, give me proof they're not voting. Illegals have been caught voting, how can not know it, just google "illegals caught voting" yet you pretend there is no proof. You are so intellectually dishonest on every point you make!
Do you think illegals are some kind of law abiding people?They have to break many laws in more than 1 country to get here,let alone to stay here,why would you think they are law abiding when it comes to voting for dems who'll giv'm amnesty?
I wasn't talking about her alternatives, but about yours as the voters! I mean look at the 4 possible candidates and tell the world you really want one of these to reign your beautiful country. I wouldn't want any of them.
Lili, you know what, I wouldn't either, but the real travesty is that the ones I'd like to see run wouldn't submit themselves and their loved ones to the circus it has become. So we are left with those who will. But who else WOULD u want?
MzB....Yes you are brilliant, in many ways. Hopefully you already know this. I've certainly come to think highly of you. The reality is, we need to care more about each other than we do about how we vote. You're an awesome lady.
Ralph ~ OBAMA-Care has Insured 18-20 MILLION MORE Americans & Eliminated Pre-Existing Condition "Premium GOUGING" by Insurance Companies & Eliminated Unilateral "Arbitrary CANCELLATION of Policy" by the Insurance Company ~ Hardly a Failure ~
lol ~ Ralph, U Remind me of a GUY who Watches FOX Loser Snooze Channel a little too MUCH ~ SORRY if FACTs Contradict your ASSUMPTIONs, but the TRUTH, and ONLY the TRUTH is what I Present ~ 20 MILLION Americans will NOT be Stripped of OBAMACare
Yet millions see her as a savior. They must be looking for satan is all I know. I think she and Bill are above the law millionaire alcoholics. Who can really imagine she has enough sense to be president?
Jackie...just a quick response 2 UR comment. Funny U bring up the "alcoholic" issue. Looking at Bill the other day, he clearly has the facial changes & flaws of a heavy drinker. In fact his bulbous RED nose is a screaming symptom. He lives w/ HER
Why would sHilliary's husband have to be driven to drink? I mean aren't they the cat's pajamas of a happily married couple? What is it 40 plus years!! Without each other that probably would have been 40 year prison sentences each. :-o
Actually, she said if they could afford it, they should be able to purchase it not give it to them free as your title implies.
I am NOT a HC supporter, nor Trump, or Sanders - I despise all politicians these days; so that said...
I do not support or condone illegals but fact is, they are here. As such, if they can afford to purchase health insurance and can do so without the assistance of the American taxpayers, I'm okay with that.
But if they opt for a plan from the exchange, they are going to be sorely disappointed.
Not interested in facts? That's you, not Ralph, and by the way Ralph never said give Obamacare for free, he said give them the ability to get it. Every citizen has been given that ability now Hiliary wants to give it to illegals.
Wow, sorry I posted a fact instead of an uninformed opinion because I was away for the weekend. My state is Virginia. TSAD, rates grew last year at the lowest amount since before Obamacare passed. Look it up if you dare.
I wonder why you answered a Q I didn't ask=dodge YOU didn't answer my questions"Better rates than what you had before Obamacare passed"NO"could you keep your old plan?"NO"Did you keep your doctor?"NO"the deductible, was that better?"NO,
I also got a much better deal under the ACA than I had before, as did most people in my state (Ky) despite our senator and governor fighting every step of the way. Unfortunately, it still needs a bit of improvement, but it's better than it was.
See Scott,that's where you aren't honest.You act like Obamacare is great while your state is probably the best of them all,others horrendous,it hasn't provided anything they promised like a $2500 savings over 5 years ago-u are deceptive
Florida & Oregon have great options as well. I know several people who r very happy with it n Florida; some couldn't get insurance & others reduced their payment while getting better coverage. (My massage lady is one; a friend of hers is an
She has her millions and not stopping anytime soon and I am sure being president has more to do with gain than helping America! Sure, we will foot the bill and when we fold under Bill and Hillary can live wherever they want. Doing this for illegals gives her their vote and another four years in office, if we survive that long. What really make me get whiplash though is all the ones who just think she is so wonderful! Honestly I would rather have Bill back than Hillary...I would have probably two timed her too so I don't worry so much about that. At least he finally faced his lies and paid for his crimes by impeachment! How is a known criminal even allowed to run for president?
Get Bill back?He was impeached for perjury&OofJ(acquitted?How that happen?).According to more than1of his alleged victims Hiliary is Bill’s enabler,the chief protector of their abuserWho'd want accused sex predator back inWHor his wife?
Would you rather have had the indians stay here. The black people would have never sold their own to the white man in america then. It would just be indians here. No whites or blacks. I thought you meant syrians to europe, my bad at 1st!!!
Norrie - funny but you have no clue about what my comments mean to people I know - you sound so juvenile with your taunting - try commenting like a grown up - I respect Clive a lot and the comment was humor.....
No western "leader" seems to have the interests of legal citizens of their own countries at heart. All of them are making sure rape refugees and foreign criminals can invade and take all the jobs, benefits and money. Looks like bribed treason to me.
One of the things people forget is that the slave owning class--the wealthy corporations--benefit from all this slave labor and they don't give a damn if legal college grads can't get a job in their own country.
You know what, the "leaders" are who their electorates wanted (maybe not considering election fraud but who can prove it?). They got what they voted for, if we don't like it we should vote them out but then vote the right people in!
which is why Trump is such a maligned and attacked candidate, because Soros and others know they can't buy him, they know they can't easily destroy him... so they are doing EVERYTHING within their power to destroy his reputation and campaign.
Acandidate who can't be bought isa game changer,&for President a potential gamechanger of the entire system,a spoiler both party establishments are scared to death of which shows they've more in common with each other than own constituents.
TSAD they have more in common with each other because no matter what side has power in Washington they continue to pass agreements and laws that are killing our country... from NAFTA to TPP from Borders not controlled to businesses hiring illegals
Ken, now that's the plain truth. No one can argue with your statement, that's why to fix things the Democrat/Republican cabal members, including all those who sit by and do nothing but watch as America is sold down the river need to be gone.
I find it amazing how one party is full of the conservative Christians, but it's the other party that is concerned about "the least of these." Now, remind me. Just who are supposed to be the Christians?
The least of these? yeah they're concerned about them, that's why Democrat policies have left them worse off than they were 50 years ago, read the stats on Blacks or can't you find that in the hole in the ground your head is in.
Oh,u poor victim.Can't you get anything right?This is not my thread &your comment is a total lie&a false attack on Christianity.But that's what we've come to expect from someone so blind as to think Hiliary is qualified to be president.
Talk about personal attacks,I haven't said one hateful thing,just observations of the truth.U use another liberal tactic,when lost argument(yes u've lost)demean the messenger,call him a racist,a hater,or a anything to take the focus off ur fail
He's baiting you, that's why I didn't respond - it's a moronic tactic of playing dumb to attempt to shame us for calling them illegal - I have no shame, so it doesn't work on me - I loathe illegals, they are lawbreakers and need deported
I laugh,they say you can't deport 11 million illegals,it would cost,blah,blah.What a red herring.Stop giving them jobs&freebies,allow them to freely go back over the border&they'd be gone in a year.Givetaxcredits toUberfor rides to border!lol
Do you have any facts to back this up or is it your opinion? I am not worried so much about the crime... its all the money & liberties they get from us while people here suffer! We need to take care of all our peoples health before illegals!
"...than probably you do?" Ralph and Roob, you've just witnessed a real life page form the liberal play book if there ever was one. First lie, then condescendingly demean people you don't even know because they might disagree with you. Sick
America is billions in debt, we have no funds for all these added daily to the bankroll. It is going to be a disastrous end but ones like the Clinton's don't have to live here once they have raked in all their millions, do they? We do.
Listen to Scott. I don't throw bombs, I point out facts, Scott on the other hand is just mad (and should be embarrassed) because the facts he call bombs usually blow up him and his liberal looney friend's propaganda.
Scott - Tsad - pleas don't turn this into a he said, he said issue. I'd like to continue to focus on the topic above. Could Hillary be saying this as a way to generate some money to help Obamacare limp along?
I strongly disagree that I have sunk to his level. His words -- "sick", "liberal looney", "liar", "rapist", "bimbo", "sex predator", "You are not so brilliant yourself", "the hole in the ground your head is in," etc.
Come on guys, can't we all agree that the democrats give more to the illegal immigrants than the republicans across the board?! Can't we also agree that the illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting these benefits?!
That's right keep the focus off your fail. All those words are truth, not name calling, observations of the truth, on the other hand you deceive, divert and just stop answering questions when shown you are wrong.
More Scott deception,Obama's deportations are result of his change in how they calculate them.It used to be they didn't include those turned at the border,now they do.His actual deportations without including those are down. google it
You just said they were at an all time high? Then TSAD said you were wrong with the calculations... well Scott either way if they are up or down does that change what democrats give to them? I don't see how because they can just come back anyways.
How can u possibly ascertain how likely illegals are to commit crimes when we don't know how many are here,estimates range from 10 million to 30 million,you can only document those who get caught&they don't report crimes to other illegals
who are most likely their targets since they can only interact with illegals or get caught. Can't you think for yourself instead of swallowing any media's crapola about studies?. You can site a study to prove almost anything.
The UK's health service is hanging on by a thread. We dont build social housing any more. Benefits are getting cut. It's difficult to get an appointment to see your general doctor. Last time I was in the waiting room, I was surrounded by East Europeans all talking in their own language.
It doesnt take Einstein to realise that the influx of migrants in our country is breaking the infrastructure but all we are fed is how wonderful integration is and how they will do the jobs we won't (apparently). There is a factory near me. It is run by East Europeans and tends to only employ their own. Its like being taken over.
Cameron, Obama et al need to start looking at the infrastructure of their own countries. Charity begins in the home. Not kidding, people of the UK have just about had enough of all the political correctness and rights for everyone it seems....except the British. We have put up and shut up too long. Sorry this wasnt directly linked to your question but I find it hard to keep quiet these days .
I genuinely thought that was already a thing. Employers should certainly be required to provide insurance for all employees, regardless of immigration or citizenship status. The option to buy into healthcare should already be available to everyone. The fact that it isn't greatly disturbs me. You can't even get a student visa to ANY country for a study-abroad without picking up health insurance for that country (going from the US to somewhere else). There are people who are working, paying into the system, who have a tax ID number, or they wouldn't be able to fill out the paperwork. So it's not like it's free or anything? I'm not understanding how anyone would have a problem with this? This is something that should have been implemented already and I don't understand how it wasn't. This is pretty late to the game, but I guess better late than never.
I believe you have legal immigration and illegal immigration somehow overlapped - no one has any problem with legal immigrants becoming part of the system, but when lawbreaking illegals are added to the mix, it creates problems
I'm an accountant. I fill out these forms for a living. To qualify for ACA you have to have a tax ID # or SS#. You have to have it for the form so the government can track you through your insurance provider.
Agreed but Hillary Clinton is proposing we give it to illegal aliens, which would have anew set of guidelines, I'm sure. That's why people are in an uproar, since 85% of those on it already are subsidized
By "illegal aliens" do you mean undocumented workers or people who have overstayed their visas? Because the vast majority are in the second category and would have an ID# that just got bounced back, and I assume it would just stop bouncing?
Well if you're undocumented you'd be documented and issued an id, and you're working so your employer would be paying into the system. And if not your ID's just expired. So either way, you shouldn't be denied insurance.
A blanket statement by a liar solely to pander to Hispanics,Congress will never allow it&she knows it.Democrats only keep minorities around so they can use them.Obama promised them amnesty, controlled congress for 2 years&got them nada.
That's right,&when compassion is a feigned reason while the real reason she does it is not compassion but simply to get votes &given her lifelong record of lying&no compassion for Sex'lAslt victims u have a serious sociopath/psychopath.
Hiliary whasn't driven a car in 30 years,u think she has a compassionate bone in her body,for her Bill'sSAvictims,or the military&their families(lied to their faces on Benghazi)or even her daughter whom she included in lie about sniperfire?
First of all, Nothing is Collapsing ~ Secondly, Most Un-Documented Immigrants are much MORE Patriotic than MOST Conservative Republicans holding citizenship and therefore deserve adequate Health-Care ~ Hillary is a Humanitarian while "Drumpf" Trump actually believes Wages at $7.25 per hour for AMERICAN Workers is TOO HIGH ~ Yup, he actually thinks that's true ~ Most "Quote Un-Quote" Christians have NEVER opened a Bible in their lives, if they did, they would certainly understand the FACT that the ENTIRE Theme revolves around Taking Care of your Fellow Human BEING, NOT leaving them to Suffer ~ That's a FACT ~
Totally wrong - almost every exchange is collapsing. Illegal Aliens are not patriotic. And then you go off on a hijack trip - too bad you can't have a real conversation based on facts instead of liberal propaganda.
Here's the FACTs ~ Un-Documented Immigrants Pick your Tomatoes, Clean your Hotel ROOMs, and Wash your CARS ~ CONservative Republicans OBSTRUCT Minimum Wage Increases for Working Individuals ~ So Who's MORE Patriotic?
you sadly don't understand economics - raising the minimum wage would do nothing but drive all prices up and lower employment levels - try reading Econ 101 - the owners aren't giving up profits, they pass those variable costs along
AP you are right nothing is collapsing, because it never inflated after the 2008 collapse. Just because you use the word, "FACT" dn make it so. What book do you read to get your FACTS? 20 million more people, most with catastrophic deductions.
lol ~ Obama-Care is NOT Collapsing, I can pick Up the Cell and Enroll in a Policy Right NOW ~ Secondly, GROTESQUE CORPORATE CEO Pay has been DRAMATICALLY Increasing yet NO Detrimental Affect yet RIGHT? GO After Greedy CEO's NOT Working Americans ~
What rag do you get your information from? Obamacare exchanges are not collapsing; we now have 20 million more people with insurance who previously were not covered, and mostly in Red states. And the nation's economy has steadily recovered since President Bush left it in shambles. What IS collapsing, however, is the Republican Party. I'm afraid it's too late to resuscitate. Brain death has already occurred.
Politico, Forbes, CNBC, NY Times - maybe if you'd do a little research before spouting propaganda, you'd know. I'm happy the Republican Party is collapsing - they rolled over to every disaster Obama set them up for - America made weaker.
One Washington Post article, circa 2015, said about 33% of new plans created 4 ACA will fold by the end of 2015. That isn't too bad when you consider that 80% of new businesses fold within the first 2 to 3 years of their existence. It's all relative.
ME, 80% where did u get that? "About half of all new establishments survive five years or more and about one-third survive 10 years or more-Source:U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Even Zeke Emanual said this about new business failures
I agree with everything you've said Gabby with one addition ~ The Republican Party has Collapsed already ~ 20 MILLION Americans with Health-Care ~ Pre-Existing Conditions GONE ~ Ins. Companies can NO Longer Cancel an individuals Policy ~ ALL GOOD ~
As you WELL know, the 80% is a general rule of thumb used by many. But, the more current #s are (fail rate) 2 yr ~ 24%; 3 yr ~ 38%; 4 yr ~ 45%; 5 yr ~ 51% - Interesting, Exchanges are no different than other businesses. So much for your hyperbole.
Gabby You must be a government employee to believe that the US economy is not still as fragile as it was in 2007. Gov employees are shielded from the reality of the economy. Maybe if there jobs would follow the economy like those in the private secto
lol ~ What's wrong with Government Employees? Most are MORE Patriotic than CONservative Republicans ~ P.S. ~ Always Remember, it was Imbecile George W. Bush & his incompetent Republican Cabinet that Undermined & Destroyed OUR Economy ~
Clinton only wants to allow those that can pay full price for their insurance to be allowed to buy at the marketplace. The marketplace it what you refer to as Obamacare. So many sites don't tell the entire truth and I am sorry to see that happen here at Hubpages.
Obamacare has worked really well for us and I haven't heard of the exchanges collapsing anywhere, but here.
"I haven't heard of the exchanges collapsing anywhere"well what are you doing leaning your head out the window?Just a couple years afterACAwas implemented,12 out of 23 co-ops failed,costing taxpayers $1.2 billion.Google obamacares collapse
You are right, many sites try to hide the facts about Obamacare - fortunately the truth is available here. I suggest you do an Internet search and you'll see the truth no plotical slant, just the facts.
What's a few trillion here or there? The Democrats would gladly borrow another 19 trillion if it meant electing a woman president! Wow! a woman president! sends a thrill up my leg, or is that sciatica?
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