Should Trump have ordered major investigation into voter fraud of him not winning the popular vote?
This is what Trump did with the Birther Movement. He made allegations of Obama not being born in this country and no record of his going to college. He never proved it one way or the other, but it stayed out there for years to delegitimize Obama's presidency...and there are still some people who believe him. He is doing the same thing now with Hillary winning the popular vote. He has no proof, but he won't let it go. Doesn't the president of the United States have better things to do with his time and our tax payer's money?
What better thing to do than to make sure the integrity of our voting system. I am not talking about the popular vote but all votes. The fact democrats won't support a voter id for elections bafflles me. What are they afraid of? Every other country has something like it. Don't tell me it is voter suppression because it is not. Everyone has some form of id. You cannot function in our society without id unless you live in a cave.
I want my vote to count equally as any other vote. Reading stuff like people voting twice or dead people voting seems the exact reason we need an investigation on how this happens and how to stop them in the future. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
It's a funny thing that he has been the only one to ever have questioned that!!!!
theres another thing that kobach was involved in called crosscheck. why dont they investigate that, too? of course, that was republican rigging, so that can go under the rug. *wink*
The only reason Trump is harping on this is because the left is using the popular vote to delegitimize his victory. The rule is the rule. If the election results were to be change to a popular vote, he would have ran the election differently.
you think so? well gee, she did win more votes, and he has to deal with it, not change it. and there is opinion that its a way for republicans to implement voter suppression mechanisms in big dem states for future elections....THAT makes sense to me.
Game Over see you in 4 maybe 8 years. Ta Ta
Les..Let me use UR words! "Well Gee, she lost the election & she has 2 deal w/ it, not change it & there's opinion that it's a way 4Libs 2 implement more voter Fraud & corruption 4 future elections! That makes sense 2 me!"Just call me LES
We won't C leslie in 4 or 8 years.She will have worn herself into oblivion, hanging on, kicking, screaming, whining, crying, bashing Bush, Powell, Rice, Trump. Building shrines 2 worship & adore her Hillary (Crimes & all). She self-abuses!
im not going anywhere. and unless herr fuhrer gets nutty, and makes religious right a requirement for citizenship, neither are 79.3% more of us. enjoy your special privileges, like multiple comments, and insulting others freely...you dont phase me!
LOL.Hi there genius! The word U want is "FAZE"...not phase, Einstein.Who the hell would care to faze a nobody? Certainly no privileged person.U R SO funny.Missed UR calling.Should B a stand-up.Thanks 4 the laugh Mrs.Chris McCowen!! Best of luck
oh no, im not a nobody. nor is anyone here, who joined hubpages just like all of you. difference is, i dont go around trying to get rid of people i dont like...cause there are about 6 that could go. but you all have that power...i want to know why.
If you really cared about voting integrity, you'd worry about why Tiffany Trump, Mnuchin, Spicer and Bannon are still registered in 2 states each. You do know why...tax cuts on their assets in those states. Integrity anyone?
No that's the least of our problem.
In NY, the votes are so ovrwhelmimng Democratic, there is no chance voter fraud, if exist ,will mean anything. However, in the few swing state where the difference is only a few thousand votes, that is where focus.
Around 15% of illegal aliens in California polled admitting to voting. The DNC actively sought legal immigrants to vote. This easily amounts to millions of people voting in violation of the law - and that's separate from multiple voting organized by the DNC that shut down the Detroit recount and was proven via Podesta's emails leaked by Wikileaks.
so, listen..why mess around. just do the vote over. no russia, no comey...clean.
This problem is easily solved. I worked at IBM Research many years. The IBM Watson system is very good at processing Big Data. All the government have to do is provide access to the voting data, immigration data, birth and death record data...
so tell trump. he and gop own it all. the rest of us just pay them.
I am with you Leslie, let us do the vote over without the Electoral College, No Russia intervention, No Comey intervention, An honest clean election.
omg, id love it!
Me too Leslie!!
California had Trump 4mil plus, and Hillary 7mil plus. There is the short answer. CA has 55 electoral votes winner takes all. So the 4 million Trump votes didn't count for the electoral college. In CA the Hispanics bigger in the population than whites. CA doesn't allow voters to be checked for eligibility and if you can't check to see who is voting then how can anyone say there isn't voter fraud. How would Trump investigate that after the fact. That is one of the reasons why the democrats are against photo id for voting. I need a photo id and birth certificate just to get a library card in my city in CA. So why don't voters need them to vote. Which is more important the library card or voting requirements?
Take away CA and Trump won the popular vote, but as HRC and the DNC and even the repubs that opposed Trump, it was all about the Electoral College, until HRC lost badly there. Then it became the popular vote.
The electoral college needs to lose the all or nothing states, and make it split the state college votes. And, even with the all or nothing Trump beat Clinton badly.
Don't the liberals in congress need to move on and do their job for the people instead of their party? Going after Trump and vowing to go against everything he is trying to do is a flagrant disregard for the oath they swore to get into congress.
The country has had a terrible 28 years with zero accomplishments, wars that we can't win or even stop, and now Muslim terrorism in the US. Anit Trump protesters acting like terrorists causing riots and trying to bring down the country by any means. That is domestic terrorism at the worst, and just wrong at the least.
Obama was more interested in Non Americans than in Americans. Trump has changed that focus. We can't help anyone else if we can't help ourselves.
As for the Obama BC, it was reasonable to ensure that Obama met the constitutional requirements for the presidency. And being an American citizen is a big one. Natural born only, not naturalized even.
It should be a matter of procedure for any presidential candidates to be vetted, especially for meeting the constitutional requirements. Turning over tax returns is not a constitutional requirement, it is at best a tradition.
Trump is doing better things, and he would do it better without liberals and their domestic terrorist activities. Trying to bring down the country is terrorism.
Del if u wish
You are absolutely right about this. I am convinced Washington bureaucrats do not want to get to the bottom of this voter fraud. If they did, they can get the answer easily using either Google or IBM Watson. These company has the resources to process
Trump can't stand to be criticized and lose. He has to attack his opponents. Those are symptoms of his NPD. I predict this investigation will never end, because he doesn't have any proof and he wants to give these allegations a life of their own.
Mike, you are probably right. There are some answers no one wants to know... such as number of illegals in US, number of crimes commited by illegals, number of people on welfare that are illegals, number of illegal that voted...
Mike..I simply can't believe U just did that! (copy UR previous comment rather than admit & concede Brad's response is 100% accurate.Correct! DT can't stand 2B criticized or lose.I C some writers here have the same flaw. Brad's every word is true
Jack..U may B right BUT all of that isn't even necessary. All any 1 must do is know the truth about CA. (& read Brad's facts) LOOK at the documented numbers per state, take off the Clinton-blinders & voila....it's all right there.
Paula: That was a general comment that I believe. It was not addressed to Brad specifically or anyone in particular. This is one of Trump's strategies, just like the Birther movement with Obama.
M.R. So WHAT if it's Trump strategy? Isn't ALL of Politics "strategy?" politicians don't use strategies? YES, they do! OK, Our POTUS w/ NPD (UR diagnosis) uses"strategies"UR point? Mike, pls don't Bcome a Leslie or A.P nutcase! UR better than that!
in other words "get in line with us trumpets, or we may not "tolerate" you anymore.
ap and i both banned from forums. i think she means business, pp.
Paula: So what if he didn't win the popular vote? He did win the electoral college vote and he is President of the United States. Many investigations have already shown there is very little voter fraud in this country. It's all about his ego.
Well, if U don't think MILLIONS of illegals voting in Ca. is "voter fraud," what do you call it? CA. illegal aliens was your "majority of popular votes" corrupt Hillary got!! And that is a damned fact, no matter how much denial abounds!
Everybody: Read this: (Conservatives and Trump supporters won't believe it.)
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st … not-vote-/
Mike.1st~I am neither a conservative nor was I a Trump "supporter" Out of courtesy to U, I read the link. Several sites were mentioned & called "unreliable." What makes POLITICO reliable? How can we know? Mike..I believe NOTHING at this point!!
Any US psychologist would tell you that people who call lies "Alternate Facts" are mentally deranged individuals who try to micro control the world around them. When anyone dares to defy their mentally defective agenda, they dump blame on others.
Paula: If you will look on the right hand side of the page. It lists a multitude of sources that you can check. That is the difference, fake news and propaganda sites don't list their source. They are just opinion.
Mike - Clive said there is going to be a New US outside of the USA, I think that is your place because you don't seem to realize Trump is president of these United States. Your orig ? has mutated to oblivion. Just a thought,
yes! thats exactly what we need.a place where people are free to live and love as they see fit, and dont mind helping their fellow human beings.if california is serious about it,i would hope other blue states could join them. life too short. b free!
I think one of these days people are going to discover that Trump is bipolar and that will explain his weird behavior and disposition. His obsession with everyone's looks. His inability to tolerate even the teeny tiniest criticism. His snap anger episodes over what seems trivial to people who aren't mentally ill. It will probably take a major disaster to have a workup on him ordered even though several psychiatrists have already recommended it, because like me, they recognize the signs and symptoms.
An investigation into voter fraud by the Pew Research Center has already been conducted, but Trump refuses to accept the results.
No appreciable fraud occurred in the 2016 elections. Trump needs to get over himself, but of course he can't because he's mentally ill. Not his fault, but he shouldn't be running the country. He's wasting tax dollars when he orders still another investigation into voter fraud and it's all about his ego. If he wants to pay for the investigation himself, by all means go to it, but taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill given that the only reason for the investigation is that Trump can't sleep at night knowing Hillary received far more popular votes.
Au fait, I am with you, it is so funny, that the people who voted for trump because of what he said he was going to do for us and then turned around and lied about everything.
Blessings my friend
Au fait, the only disease I see is Trump Derangement Syndrome here on HP and on TV and in Hollywood... This man has done more for the average person in 1 week than Obama in 4 years...
mind explaining what that is?
Gladly. He has changed Washington DC and put the people ahead of politics. In immigration reform, in crime in inner cities, in environment protection, in energy policies and in getting jobs back in the USA...and wall street is up over 10%,leading ind
what?he has issued executive orders,and most of them suppress ordinary people.im a working gramma with kids.know what he told me?women are second class, immigrants are dirt, democrats win by cheating,i am king.and you support him just as i did obama
At the end of the day, it does not matter what we support or believe...It matters what gets done. Time will tell. We had 8 years under Obama, now we will see what Trump can do. Take a deep breath...
no,i dont believe i will.from 2010 when i joined til now, there are many people here who had nothing good to say about obama, ever.in fact,made it a point to criticize, belittle,insult on daily basis.expect the same.trump is setting up police-state
How much did the stock market rise under President Obama?
Here is President Obama by the numbers: You decide.http://hubpages.com/politics/President-Obamas-Legacy-by-the-Numbers
Jack Lee, you are absolutely RIGHT!! Trump has done far more than any president in history.Given the things Trump has done for all of us, I personally would rather he had NOT done those things, & I think most people would agree.The guy is unstabl
What things? and who agrees with you?
Trump and his followers are all giddy over 1000 points of stock market rise. Were you this excited when Obama moved it from 8000 to 19000?
How much did the stock market rise under President Obama? A great deal. If you'll remember, Bush left our economy going over a cliff. Trump has inherited a relatively healthy economy compared to what it was when Obama was elected. How quickly people forget - when they don't want to remember.
On the question, somebody should tell Trump he won.
trump did not win - the Republican Electoral College chose trump, just like the Supreme Court chose GWB in 2000. Big difference in winning and being the chosen one.
yes.and as we see,the mandate in this country is against him.remains to be seen if he goes the dictatorial route,and starts mitary clamp-down.and remains to be seen if military follow the orders of a mad man. when does someone tell the emp hes naked?
Your fear mongering is uncalled for. No body picked a president. Please study and understand our Constitution. It worked the way it was suppose to. You may not like the results but it is our way. We did not like it when Obama won 8 years ago...
thats your opinion, not mine. and day by day, im beginning to see why they wanted trump. great evil is on its way. dont know why humanity keeps reliving it, but gd, here we go again. f trump
Shyron: I could not agree more. But if anyone should be grateful to have slipped into the Oval Office through the back door - you'd think he would and not keep drawing attention to the fact.
Leslie, now we are using evil to describe people we disagree with. You've lost me. In all the years I criticized Obama, it was always on his policies and the lack of results. I never thought he was evil. His world view and my are opposites.
you may not have. plenty of others did. he was the antichrist, a muslim terrorist, working with the muslim brotherhood to destroy america, and even a thread once, with obama as the red-eyed devil, asking why do liberals hate america. why b upset now?
Leslie, why do you allow the fringe groups to dictate the agenda and create the hate in you? My advice is to ignore these groups on both sides and focus on what makes America great. How do we improve all our lives, despite our differences.
erm, we have a fringe group prezident. that means, to them,i am the enemy. not a fellow citizen. when you hear sean spicer speak, he has contempt for democrats. trump says hillary got 3million more votes only cause they were illegal.i/e dems are sh**
Jack, President Obama wasn't evil. He was a decent man. Trump is not. He proved that fact before 60 million Americans elected him. They did it knowing how evil he was. That's a national tragedy. The worst part is they aren't sorry.
I agree Obama was not evil, but he was not a good executive with very little experience. You belief almost 50% of the country voted for Trump because they are all evil? And are racist and ... you are sadly mistaken. They mostly voted to drain swamp.
he hasnt drained the swamp. not one bit. and if u saw who was with him today, it was people who care less for swamp draining, or getting along with dems. wayne lapierre of the nra? and he thanked heritage and jim...jim demint?? the original tea party
Leslie, who are you considering part of the swamp? The swamp are people in government and elected officials and their staff...people who have been there 30 years and done little to solve problems...
ohhhhjh! i was thinking it was rich billionaire businessmen who take over gubmints with coups, to further enhance their bank accounts!
Yes, those people under the Obama Admin. Including Goldman Sachs alumni, who made a fortune in stocks and rising markets, at the expense of the averge folks...stagnant wages, and bailouts...
odd you dont mind the six of them appointed to trumps cabinet!
or exxon running state dept...
or surgeon running hud.
by george to me if it doesnt look like a mad hatter tea party from alice in wonderland
Explain to me your problem with Dr. Carson, the ultimate outsider. Please study his background and tell me why he is not qualified in your eyes. Stick to the facts please. Read his biography and the charity he started...
i dont need to. hes a surgeon. hes never run a gvt agency, nor has any experience in hud. thats like hiring a politician to perform surgery! it cheapens the proffession. like, "here, anybody can do this". makes a joke out of gvt service. imo
The ordered investigation is underway and the results will be public information. I suspect the intent is to work toward a photo ID requirement at the polls, and a majority of Americans support such a requirement. People without one cannot even legally drive or fly as a commercial passenger, but have two years now to get one and be able to fly and to vote.
Gee that's funny. ONLY in Republican States is an ID necessary. Here in NJ, you don't need one. You register once. But how about Tiffany Trump, Mnuchin, Spicer and Bannon all registered in 2 states each? That the kind of voter fraud that bothers you?
Eleanore, I agree with you, trump's son in-law registered in two states.
Did they vote in both, who knows. Just think trump said it was voter fraud if he did not win before the election. Now that he won says it is voter fraud? Putin?
The electoral college exists for a reason. So no one or two states can sway the entire country into choosing something or someone that the rest of the states do not acquiesce to. I blame the media for the investigation as they egged him into making it a formal investigation. I am not sure about widespread voter fraud but it was shown that there were more ballots cast in Detroit then there were people to cast them in favor of Clinton. It didn't matter and I don't think it still does but if an investigation is enough to plug the holes so that this kind of accusation has no future validity I'm not opposed.
sorry, but one or two states DO sway elections, and the candidates suck up to 12 states.a womans vote in wyoming is worth three times a woman in california.these were originally slave states,who were given special deference to stay in union.its 2017
Trump has started an investigation of the number of illegal aliens who voted in the election, which is treasonous, not to mention against the law. Obama is even on video suggesting and encouraging that illegals vote in the election without repercussion! There are other signs of election fraud, too, which is one reason why the media tried so hard to make it look like Hillary was a shoo-in.
Our voting system is dangerously flawed and with a decade of open borders we have no idea who is voting or even who is in our country illegally. Democrats have taken full advantage and Hillary received over 800 illegal votes that we know about.
Obama won CA by roughly 3.3 million votes in 2008. He won by 2012 by 3 million votes. Now, with Hillary support waning, and voters not enthused with her, what logical number would you give for her victory in CA in 2016? She won by 4 million votes. Any logical person would ask, how in the world did that happen? Keep in mind that she won (or lost) the entire Northeast by millions of less votes than Obama! In no state but CA did Hillary get more votes than Obama....and she got 25% MORE than Obama! That fact alone would at least gather a whimper of..."huh"?
There is so much on President Trump's plate. I am sure he knows what he is doing. Besides, I kind of recall that after all the liberal hacks went wild after losing, it turned out that he did get the popular vote.
What really matters now is that he is the President and is doing a great job with no media shills sticking up for him.
The man is truly amazing
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