Why is Everyone So Worked Up Over the Coronavirus?

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  1. crankalicious profile image93
    crankaliciousposted 13 months ago

    First of all, the flu is killing more people still.

    Second, President Trump says that the coronavirus will go away soon. Why can't people just have faith in our President. He says there's nothing to worry about.

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I don"t believe Anything that Trump says.

      But I do think that a lot of this sensation stuff is hype. This is a long way from the influenza pandemic of 1918.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        The thing is, it's unknown how far reaching it will be, or whether an inoculation will be effective in curbing the spread.  Hopefully, it will be a short lived virus.

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I hope you are right, Randy.

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image95
          TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          One of my friends in Seattle has it. He is a doctor and is 67. He has been giving us a running commentary as the illness unfolds.

      2. profile image0
        promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Some infectious disease experts have modeled the spread and say it could reach 2/3rds of the planet.

        The other problem is China. Some reputable people with connections there say the actual number of infected and dead is massively higher.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          President Trump says President Xi has things under control. No need to worry. Nothing to see. Move along.

        2. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Yeah, seems that it spreads pretty easily. I am sure that China is not being candid about the true extent of casualties from the virus.

          It is just seems that every year something always comes and goes.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, it's times like these we need a POTUS  we can believe. Remember the retaliatory missile strike to the base in Iraq? First there were only a few minor injuries, but the tally kept increasing as the weeks rolled by.

            You can't trust Donnie, especially with anything important.

            1. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              And I can't trust him with the unimportant stuff either, a first for anyone holding the office.

              What was it he said about a "headache or two" suffered by troops from the retaliatory middle strike in Iraq?

        3. MizBejabbers profile image89
          MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          And the conspiracy theorists are at it. They are publishing sources that say this virus is incurable, deadly and has killed far more people than China has admitted. So whom do you believe, Trump or the conspiracy theorists?lol

          1. profile image0
            promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            We sure can't believe the Chinese government. Instead, I believe the infectious disease scientists and anyone with some credibility who has deep connections with China.

            A Chinese website called Epoch Times, which is outside of the country, has those kinds of connections. So do other Chinese expatriates.

            The "official" death rate actually is growing and now up to 3.4%. There isn't enough respiratory equipment to treat everyone who has a serious case of it.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Lots of misinformation on the virus on the internet as well as the media. I prefer to follow the stats and CDC information. I found a good site that is updating stats on the virus for every country. In some countries it has showed a slight improvement, others not so much...  At this point, I would not believe it incurable due to the high rate of cure. Many that have it have mild symptoms. It appears to be most deadly to the elderly. I don't think enough is known about this virus to predict how virulent it will be in the future. Some scientist is saying it will be around for some time, and people will slowly build antibodies to it. As well as the rate of occurrence will slow with a vaccine. One would hope the precautions being taken from the state to state, as well as the travel restrictions will help with a decreasing rate of infection this season.

            https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

          3. Ewent profile image81
            Ewentposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            The public heard Trump BRAG, "I knew about the virus before anyone else." We heard him call it "a hoax." And all heard him blame Dems and Obama.

            Admit it. Trump is about as trustworthy as a ravenous cobra. But go right ahead in live in Trump world. No one will care if you follow his stupid prescriptions as Dr Trumpenstein's magic elixir that cures all.

      3. Ken Burgess profile image90
        Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Its a tester.

        To be clear, it is real, it was a problem for China, but the reactions are overblown, and one has to wonder how much of it is deliberate.

        To quote the Bank of International Settlements from sometime in the final quarter of 2018:

        "Some markets will continue to get stronger in the U.S. while most of the rest or the world falters... U.S. Markets will be strong (safe haven) for the next 18 months at the expense of the rest of the world. Central Bank and U.S. Politics will turn it sharply negative 17-18 months from now, China and EU then stabilize, American market falters."

        This has been in the plannings for a while now. The U.S. Market is obviously taking a historic downturn, with no end in sight to its fall at the moment, and on the back end I expect to see China's market come out the stronger for it... as well as China having secured control over Hong Kong.

        I believe we are into the transition of power from America to China and International organizations like the WB and IMF controlling the global reserves and economic ques.

        This is how such a transition occurs, painfully, with trigger events like a "pandemic" acting as the catalysts. In addition we have the OPEC/Russian decision to open the floodgates on oil production, this in turn will bankrupt the oil efforts her in America, fracking especially, and this in turn will put people out of work, and cause smaller banks to fail that backed these ventures.

        Interesting times ahead for sure.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Scientists have been warning for years that preparation for a pandemic needs to happen, but nobody in government listens. With adequate preparation, we could have been in a position to stop this.

          Interesting that most vaccines, most masks, and most everything related to prevention of such things are produced in... China.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I have documentation right here in front of me (unfortunately I am about to become more familiar with this topic than I care to).

            Interestingly the figures in front of me say that Ebola had a 40.40% fatality rate, MERS had a 34.40% fatality rate, and  currently Corona Virus has a 29.23% fatality rate.

            This is information being put out by an international corporation, to thousands of employees, the information is either very misleading (incorrect), or the danger of this virus is far more severe than is public knowledge in the U.S.

            For instance a quick look at "official" information available online looks like:

            WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus stated:

            “Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.”

            AND

            "It is estimated that more than half the people infected do not realize or do not report their symptoms, dealing with it as they would the flu or common virus"

            So all things considered, a worst case scenario is that 1.7% of the people who become infected die.  A far cry from the 29.23% that is being propagated in this official company advisory disclosure I am reading.

            No doubt many of those who read this documentation will take the numbers to heart and be in fear for their lives, adding to the general panic and fear overall.

          2. TessSchlesinger profile image95
            TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            That is correct. Most of my geek crowd have been expecting it.

            1. Glenis Rix profile image97
              Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              We could not have stopped it. How is anybody supposed to predict what a new virus will looks like when it emerges? Pharmacologists are working 24x7 to find a vaccine - I know that because my sister is one of them.

      4. Ewent profile image81
        Ewentposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        My aunts and uncles were all born around the early 1900s. So they knew all about that influenza. There were no antibiotics specific for the treatment of influenza. Today there is.

        There were also not the same number of doctors, nurses or hospitals as there are today and there were NO respirators and not even the iron lungs used for victims of the late 1940s polio epidemic were developed.

        There is no hype when a single state reports hundreds of deaths in a matter of a week's time. There is NO hype when the National Guard has to build makeshift hospitals because the hospitals cannot handle the overflow of those infected with viruses.

        And there is NO hype when you hear doctors and nurses begging for PPE, respirators and surgical masks.

        There is only Trump's BS.

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Hey, Event, I did say that 6 weeks ago, there has been a cardinal change in our circumstances since then.

          But Trump's BS is as always the immutable constant whether 6 weeks ago, today, or 6 weeks from now.

          1. Ewent profile image81
            Ewentposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            With Trump, it comes down to one thing: He has forever lost public trust. If he knew as he claimed "before anyone else," why didn't he inform the medical communities and medical supply manufacturers in December when he claims he knew?

            He waited 2 months before he bothered to even pay any attention to how many death Washington State already had from the virus in February.

            If Governors of 50 states have to do the job of the Fed, it is time to cut off the Federal taxes we pay. What are they for if not for a major crisis?

            Trump has proven beyond a doubt that the insider Federal government HE now totally controls expects the states to hand him federal tax dollars for his wheeling and dealing all while he demands states pay for it all.

            Don't wonder why he will not be re-elected in 2020. Everything he does in government is one huge corporate porker deal that makes him a personal profit.

            Now we find out that the reason he delayed the testing kit dispersals was to get his own crony company he has investments in to do the manufacturing.

            But oh boy if Obama or Hillary had EVER pulled off what this bum has, they'd both be in orange jumpsuits.

            The DOJ is not the legislative branch of government and doesn't make the laws for the entire country based on what Trump wants. Our only laws come from the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Not to mention Kushner's brother runs a company involved in the testing.If anyone wondered why the US refused to accept testing kits from China--when 60 other countries accepted them--and waited two months to develop their own, then this info may explain why.

              https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p … -who-test/

            2. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Your comment -- "With Trump, it comes down to one thing: He has forever lost public trust. If he knew as he claimed "before anyone else," why didn't he inform the medical communities and medical supply manufacturers in December when he claims he knew?"

              I have to ask where did you get such an opinion that Trump said he knew about this virus in Dec? The timeline does not match your opinion. Please add a resource where the Pressident made that comment.

            3. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Sadly, Ewent, I think that short a full scale disaster Trump will be reelected.

              1. Because the democrats are so divided, which is being exploited by the Right in every possible way.

              2. Short of economic catastrophe, it is very hard to dislodge an incumbent seeking a second term. History has shown that.

              3. The Trumpbots will stand by their man for reasons of cultural and racial insecurity. When defending that, he could assassinate the Pope and he would do no wrong.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                While I am not totally confident of my view, I think Trump will be defeated in November IF turnout is not suppressed. Remember, Trump won by only 80000 votes in three states against a candidate with very high negatives. Biden definitely has his problems but they are not much different from Trump's problems, and he is much more well liked than Clinton was.

                However, if turnout is suppressed because of the virus or any other reason, Trump will win, If turnout is very high, Trump will lose by a lot. I will try to find an article I read while back that explains thus using extensive analysis of every voting district.

                1. Credence2 profile image82
                  Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  All I can say, Panther, is I hope that you are right and would be delighted to find my prediction in error.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this
                2. Ken Burgess profile image90
                  Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Making the excuses already... how about trying some reality.

                  Who the heck are you voting for to replace him?

                  You think people are going to support senile creepy Joe?

                  I'm just curious how you imagine Americans are going to come out by the tens of millions to put him in office... he's not charismatic, he is creepy... he's not more competent than Trump, he is senile... and he is as corrupt as anyone in DC.

                  So no... there is no reason why people who want change would support Biden... to most, he's something even worse than Trump.

                  Doesn't matter if he has the (D) beside his name... most people recognize the Dems like Biden and Pelosi and Clinton are full of crap... they promise whatever they need to, and then they screw the American people until its time to promise more lies, and label the opposition again.

                  Until the Democratic Party becomes a party of the people again (rather than puppets of the Corporations and CCP) they will not be able to garner the support of the Independants, the Libertarians, the Moderates, etc. those who would like an alternative to Trump... but not the filth that is being offered now.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    I posted some links. Did you read them? I am relying on a forecast model done by the only person to accurately predict the extent of the 2018 blue wave. I didn't just pull it out of my @as or say, "some people say" or "I'm hearing"  like your hero does. Maybe if I did a YouTube video.... ;-)

                  2. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    I thought you said there would be massive panic with people killing each other, Ken? So far, crime is down for most places in the US. Kinda ruins your faith in human beings, right?

                    "So no... there is no reason why people who want change would support Biden... to most, he's something even worse than Trump."

                    So you feel comfortable speaking for "most who want change?"  I want change from Trump, so you don't speak for me.

                  3. Sychophantastic profile image92
                    Sychophantasticposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    You go, Ken! Everyone knows Joe Biden is a guy who touches women against their will. And he's like 100 years old. He shouldn't be driving a car much less driving the country. And he's exactly the kind of man who is everything Trump voters voted against - a career politician.

                    Those independents and those Democrats who crossed over to vote for Trump did so because they were sick of being served up candidates like Hillary Clinton when they want somebody with new ideas. And now they're being served up Joe Biden. Even liberals Democrats are pissed off. Who's going to vote for this guy. Trump is going to keep his movement going.

                    I know Lucas agrees! I'm getting all my news from Lucas now.

              2. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this
                1. Credence2 profile image82
                  Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Thanks, Panther...

      5. peterstreep profile image81
        peterstreepposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        You can not really compare the two. As we have much faster communication and a better healthcare system (worldwide) today. Also, the WHO didn't exist back then to monitor worldwide epidemics like those.

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I said that a few weeks ago, I underestimated the seriousness of this pandemic.

          In 1918, technology was not at the point that they could see and identify a virus as opposed to a bacterial agent which it was they were looking for to develop a vaccine.

          Today things have moved along, but the "bugs" are evolving and are becoming clever with each passing age, while we don't have 1918 challenges, the ones for 2020 are just as daunting. I fear of future pestilence that will defy the efforts of modern medicine's to eradicate it.

          1. peterstreep profile image81
            peterstreepposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            It's great for nature though. Fewer people die because of air pollution and water contamination. Bees are coming back.
            The lockdown is the best thing that could happen against the climate crisis (which is a bigger threat than the "bugs" in my opinion.)
            There will always be bugs. And I don't think they are clever but they for sure adapt faster then humans can make medicine. That's how nature works. We are not above it. That's always been a false premise I believe. I think we should start to live with nature and not against it. As the bio-industry, the wet markets, the dairy industry, are ruining this planet.
            The lockdown is a good time for contemplation. Do we need all this electronic shit? Every year a new phone, every month a new charger cable, constantly consuming.
            Maybe something good will come all out if and people start to realize how important other people are and less so the plastic products etc.

    2. Glenis Rix profile image97
      Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      If the virus becomes a pandemic the implications are wider than the number of people who could die. The impact on the global economy would be huge. Supplies of some manufacturing components sourced in China have already been reduced, impacting in prices and on businesses who need the components.

      I am in the at risk group.Have a flight to Venice booked for early May but will cancel if the virus isn’t contained by then,

      1. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        President Trump says you have nothing to worry about. It'll all be over by then.

        1. Glenis Rix profile image97
          Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Why does that not give me confidence

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Just watched him and some talking suit on the news.  They said it would take something over 6 months just to test the efficacy of any new vaccine.

          So no, it will NOT be over by May and they gave no indication that it would.Trump (being Trump) DID say that he hopes that by May that America will be clear, though.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Now the first case of the virus is reported in Northern California with no known contact with another coronavirus victim.

            This is not a good sign....

          2. dianetrotter profile image67
            dianetrotterposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Clear but no "in and out?"

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              ??  You lost me, Diane.

              1. dianetrotter profile image67
                dianetrotterposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Travel between countries.

      2. MizBejabbers profile image89
        MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I think you are being wise. I was just about to make reservations for a group to Slovenia and on to the Bosnian Pyramids in early May, which I've been dying to see. But not literally, so I've decided to stay home and sit this trip out. Hopefully they will go again next spring. I was going to book until the virus hit Italy. That's too close.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I'm with you.  My wife and I were trying to plan a two week cruise through northern Europe, but I can't imagine a better breeding ground for this (or any other) virus than a cruise ship.

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Still way better odds of catching and dying from the flu.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              That one went over my head - somehow your point escapes me.

              But we ARE re-thinking our plans; do we want to take that risk (that seems to be growing every day) or put it off until next summer.

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I'm just saying you should be more worried about the flu. The coronavirus is not a particularly big threat when compared to the normal, everyday flu we all take for granted.

                1. Glenis Rix profile image97
                  Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  You a have missed the point. One of the reasons that there is so much concern internationally is that if this becomes a pandemic there will be a disastrous downturn in the economy. Already the stock market has plunged, the airline and travel industries have seen a downturn. The main issue is that so many people will become unwell for work that havoc will be created in industry, commerce, and public services, all of which would experience staffing problems.Hopefully the virus can be contained but don’t underestimate the potential impact if it isn’t.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Not only that, but we really have no clue how many people are ill with the virus. People with the symptoms aren't being routinely tested for the virus as the lack of available test kits prevent such actions.

                    The lady in Northern California who tested positive for it had been sick for over two weeks before they found out it was indeed the Coronavirus.

                    In her case, they could find no contact she had with anyone carrying the virus. So there's that...

                  2. MizBejabbers profile image89
                    MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    It is also affecting our imports that come from China, and that includes much of our medications. Remember, we weren't allowed to buy those "dangerous" medications from Europe through Canada. We had to buy the "safe" lol more expensive meds from China. Today on the news it was reported that our NSAIDS (ibuprofen, acetaminophen, etc.) all came from China. and there would be a shortage. I didn't hear if aspirin was on the list, but I'll guess that it was.
                    I wonder if we'll now be allowed to buy prescription medications from Europe. I've never understood why we had to pay such high prices for prescriptions and the Europeans weren't because "we were paying for R & D" and the Europeans were exempt from bearing those costs when our meds were coming from China.
                    Guess we'd better stock up before supplies run out.

                2. MizBejabbers profile image89
                  MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Why Crankalicious? There is a vaccine for the flu that will prevent most people from catching it. Not everyone, of course. My husband caught it in spite of his VA administered flu shot. I got my shot elsewhere and haven't caught the flu although I took care of him when he was sick. He's back on his feet now. So far there is no vaccine for the coronavirus.

          2. MizBejabbers profile image89
            MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Really, that's like a tin can full of recycled viruses. I was also thinking about being cooped up in an airplane on a TransAtlantic flight, too.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              And now I saw on the news that the virus has been found in several of the countries we were to visit - Estonia, Denmark, etc.  Which means that 4,000 people all taking a shore excursion may be exposed and then get back on board.  Where I am.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Trump says it's no big deal, Dan. Don't you trust him? tongue

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  About as much as I trust any politician.  Far less than you trust the Democratic party in other words.

      3. TessSchlesinger profile image95
        TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I am flying to London on Tuesday, to Portugal the following MOnday, back to London the following Friday, to Cape Town the following Friday, to Houston the following week, to San Diego four weeks later, etc. I'm biting my nails over here.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          If you don't have the virus already, you might after spending so much time with others in so many airplanes, Tess. Be careful!

          1. TessSchlesinger profile image95
            TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Yup. but all of this was booked 6 months ago, and I can't cancel any of it now. I'm taking every precaution I can. Am anxious, though.

    3. Stevennix2001 profile image86
      Stevennix2001posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Oh yes because it's not like politicians in general haven't lied before to prevent mass hysteria, or keep us in the dark about things, while hiding most of the truth from us...oh wait.....

    4. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I have been doing some reading on the virus. Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans and comes from animals and seafood.

      What I ascertain there are two avenues the virus may follow. So, how will the world rid itself of the virus? Experts say one possibility is that cases of the disease will start decreasing when enough people develop natural immunity, as we have with the common cold. or through vaccination. Which some are doubtful a vaccine can be produced, as it is imposable to innoculate against the common cold.

      One other possible scenario is that the virus will continue to circulate and establish itself as a common respiratory virus that would need to be treated with medication such as Tamiflu.

      It appears as of today many Pharma companies are working on both medications, and hoping to develop a vaccine.

      So, perhaps Trump should not have said there is nothing to worry about. In my opinion, this virus is going to be something we will be dealing with for some time in one respect or another. There are many reports that claim China is not being truthful about the number of those infected, as well as deaths for the virus.

      It does appear America has a handle on curbing the spread of the virus for now. The government was quick to enforce travel bans and are today consider more travel bans from Italy and South Korea.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/02/coronav … tions.html

      1. MizBejabbers profile image89
        MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I guess we don't have anything to worry about. Trump says it's just a hoax perpetuated by the Democrats anyway.lol

    5. peterstreep profile image81
      peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Well, if the president says so...

      1. Live to Learn profile image77
        Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        So, a president trying to allay fears is not a good thing?

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          promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          It's not a good thing when the President tells people with coronavirus to go to work.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Are you trying to get people to believe he said that, or are you just outright making the claim?  Either way it's called a lie - are you channeling Trump?

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              promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              As usual, you try to provoke an argument when none need exist.

              "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better."

              It's an outright lie to claim that Trump didn't encourage people to go to work in that statement. Are you channeling him once again?  smile

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                He was referring to year influenza. One needs to listen to the entire conversation to get the context of what Trump meant. He was not suggesting anyone with the Coronavirus return to work while ill.

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                  promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Sorry, no. The full quotes show the conversation was clearly about coronavirus.

                  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/0 … ate-121892

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    He clearly did not tell people with Coronavirus to go to work. He was clearly referring to people that could have the virus unknowingly get well quickly without complications or even seeing a doctor and return to work. He was discussing where the percentage rate of people that are dying. He referred to many cases are not in the count when he spoke of people that were ill quickly recovered without even being confirmed of having the virus and just returned to work. These people if counted naturally would change the percentage of death from the virus.

                    Here’s the entirety of Trump’s response, followed by the video.

                    "I think the 3.4 percent [number] is really a false number. Now, this is just my hunch, but based on and lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this and it is very mild. They will get better very rapidly, they don’t even see a doctor or call doctor, you never hear about those people so you can’t put them down in the category, in overall population in terms of this corona flu, or virus. So you just can’t do that.

                    So if, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better and then when you do have a death as you had in the state of Washington like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York, you know, all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4 percent, which is a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1 percent.

                    But again, they don’t know about the easy cases because the easy cases don’t go to the hospital, they don’t report to doctors or the hospital in many cases so I think that [the WHO] number is very high. I think the number, personally, I would say the number is way under 1 percent.

                    Now, with the regular flu, we average from 27,000 to 77,000 deaths a year. Who would think that? I never knew that until six or eight weeks ago, I asked that question, I said, ‘How many people die of the flu?’ You know, you keep hearing about ‘flu shot, flu shot, take your flu shot,’ but how many people die of the flu? And they said, ‘sir, we lose between 27,000 and, you know, somewhere in the 70s’ — I think we went as high as 100,000 people died in 1990, if you can believe that, but a lot much people regardless. I think it averages about 36,000 people a year. So I said, ‘Wow, that is a percentage that is under 1 percent, very substantially.’ So it’d be interesting to see what difference is but again, a lot of people don’t report"

                    I did not appreciate his tone or lack of concern about this virus. But he clearly was not encouraging people to return to work. he was giving an example of what could be occurring with many people that may or may not have the virus not being confirmed and taking it upon themselves to return to work.  And he seemed only concerned that these people were not counted to bring down a percentage he did not believe as true, do to many citizens not being confirmed as having the virus, and not being counted.

                    CNN should have never reported Trump encouraged those that had coronavirus to return to work. Thia is once more a fake news report.

              2. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                "IF we have thousands..."

                This is hardly suggesting that it should be done.  Just noting that people will have the virus without even knowing it, and as I said to Mike, I agree with him.  An awful lot of people will work through it without ever knowing what it is they have.

                So yes, it is an outright lie that he told people to do it.  Just more exaggeration and twisting his words into what they were not.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  At this point, most people don't take Trump seriously, no matter what he's talking about.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    And there you have it.  Doesn't matter WHAT he says, it will be spun into something different.  Something the haters can whine about and call a lie or, at a minimum, really stupid.

        2. peterstreep profile image81
          peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          A president who lies about his own inauguration is not a good thing. If a president lies about such a trivial thing, why believe him in other matters?

          1. peterstreep profile image81
            peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            That said. I completely agree that the coronavirus is hyped up by the media. More people die yearly of the ordinary flue. And you don't read anything in the newspapers about that one.

            1. profile image0
              promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Sorry, I disagree. The entire country of China is virtually shut down. The government there controls the media.

              It's not the Chinese media that made the government do what it is doing.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            He lies so  much... how can anyone believe him?

    6. Mark O Richardson profile image84
      Mark O Richardsonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I think it's just people living in fear. That's what bothers me.

    7. peterstreep profile image81
      peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Normally I’m not into conspiracies but to me the Corona virus looks like a great excuse to let the next financial crises happen that economic experts are predicting for 2020/2021.
      Blame the crisis.
      If everybody panicked about the climate crisis we face with an extinction of thousands of species, droughts and extreme weather, I would agree that such a panic would be just. Now everybody is screaming like crazy for a new flue. (The ordinary flue kills thousands of people yearly too. Yearly 250.000 to 500.000 people die of influenza. Do you read this in the newspaper?)
      This saying from somebody who’s a bit under the weather..

      1. hard sun profile image82
        hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        This is killing people at a much higher rate than the flu. I came to learn that while many of us may not have hardly any trouble with this virus, with the way it spreads, millions of people will have trouble if we don't contain it. In addition to millions of premature deaths due directly to the virus, how many other unnecessary deaths would occur if our health systems are overrun. I read that there is no way the US system could keep up if this virus spreads unchecked throughout America.

        All the world's health science organizations are not in some kind of economic conspiracy. This is akin to the climate change conspiracy theories and even lends legitimacy to those theories. Scientists, for the most part, care about science.

        1. peterstreep profile image81
          peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I'm not talking about science. I believe in science and the WHO. But I get fed up with the news media that is hyping up the Corona Virus and politicians who are using it for their gain. And at the same time, we have a huge Climate Crisis to deal with (which is much more important) and nobody in the Media and in politics gives a damn. That's the point I want to make.

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            What's all the panic? Anyone who wants a test can get a test. It'll all be over soon.

            1. hard sun profile image82
              hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              That is the hope anyway. I don't think people are panicking as much as just being frustrated over having to adjust our lives (online college, no spectators at sporting events, etc.) and the market downturn isn't helping.  But, I think these things are necessary if we have a chance for it to be over soon.

            2. hard sun profile image82
              hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Just want to add that a couple days ago I called my doctor's office due to flu-like symptoms, laryngitis, fever, cough, etc. The system said to dial one if you have flu-like systems. I hit one and talked to a nurse. She said I was considered low risk because I had not traveled out of state.

              I was told to go to the doctor in a few days if I'm not feeling better.  There are now 10 cases in my state that I know of. I too highly doubt that I have COVID-19, but not everyone could get tested when I called two mornings ago. I work from home so that's good.

          2. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I understand the frustration with the difference between how these two matters are being portrayed by the media and politicians.

    8. Kathleen Cochran profile image80
      Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      "Why can't people just have faith in our President?" Because he's told too many lies.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Not trying to be argumentive. However, have you seen all the false statements the media has put out this week in regards to statements and deeds they have reports Trump has committed?  One of the biggest that he decreased funds to some vital CDC programs. As well as reports saying, people should go to work with the virus. Not to mention the Google statement where CNN claimed Trump said the website they were working on would be up in two weeks? His actual works on that subject were "Quickly done". Not two weeks...  Maybe these false stories will have some looking more deeply into some of these proposed lies the media are claiming the President makes daily. Fact, context is very important.  The fact is the president has and is doing all he can to prevent this virus from spreading out of control. and also helping those affected economically by the virus. He has set precedence far as I am concerned, and those that sit back and criticize over verbal blurbs he might make should take some time and look for the good he is doing...

        https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/202 … se-office/

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          "verbal blurbs?"  roll That's a new spin on Trump's spin, Shar. Today he said, "nobody is more bipartisan than I am."  tongue

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            That made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the comic relief. ;D

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              This may replace Kellyanne Conway's "alternate facts."

        2. Valeant profile image84
          Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Some actual mistaken statements Trump has made pertaining to the virus:
          Jan. 21 - “We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
          Feb. 2 - “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
          Feb. 10,13, 14, 19 - “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
          Feb. 25 - “The level of death with Ebola — you know, at the time, it was a virtual 100 percent.”
          Feb. 25 - “We're very close to a vaccine.”
          Feb. 26 - “When you have 15 [cases in the United States], and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
          Feb. 26 - “This is a flu. This is like a flu.”
          Mar. 2 - “But the same vaccine could not work? You take a solid flu vaccine — you don’t think that would have an impact or much of an impact on corona?”
          Mar. 4 - “I think the 3.4 percent is really a false number. Now, this is just my hunch, and — but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this.”
          Mar. 4 - “I will say, though, the H1N1, that was swine flu, commonly referred to as swine flu. And that went from around April of '09 to April of '10, where there were 60 million cases of swine flu. And over — actually, it's over 13,000. I think you might have said 17,000. I had heard it was 13,000, but a lot of deaths. And they didn't do anything about it.”
          Mar. 4 - “The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing. And we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion. That was a decision we disagreed with. I don’t think we would have made it, but for some reason it was made. But we’ve undone that decision.”
          Mar. 6 - “Anybody that wants a test can get a test.” (this one is right up there with if you want to keep your doctor, you can keep your doctor.)
          Mar. 11 - “And taking early intense action, we have seen dramatically fewer cases of the virus in the United States than are now present in Europe.”  (because we aren't testing anyone)
          Mar. 11 - “This is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history.”  (His racism seeps out by calling it a foreign virus)
          Mar. 16 - “We have a problem that a month ago nobody ever thought about.”  (Trump was warned in December and again in January that action needed to be taken)
          Mar. 16 -  "The United States will be powerfully supporting those industries, like Airlines and others, that are particularly affected by the Chinese Virus. We will be stronger than ever before!"  (Again, with the racism)

          In terms of precedent, the mismanagement in terms of testing is definitely a precedent.

          https://hubstatic.com/14923006.jpg

          The first cases were identified around roughly the same time in South Korea and the US.  This has been a debacle.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I would like to see some proof of those statements. Video proof of the in full context. Otherwise, you are wasting your time responding to my comments. I back my comments up with facts, the full context of statements. You, not so much... Don't paly that game, just like facts.

            Feb 25 th "We are close to a vaccine" March 17 we are now testing a vaccine. Pretty nice work I would say... I could ripe apart each and every one of your lists. Just need the full statement, not a byline or a headline.  Check out my new thread Liar Liar Pants On Fire. I think it will put somethings into perspective for you. Wake up you are being played...

            https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false … emic-work/

            There is a lot of things we could talk about because this virus is horrible for all of us. Dangerous, and will affect many of us personally. Bashing Trump and the way he is handling it is one I am not willing to participate in. I believe he is doing a good job on all fronts of trying to solve a very bad problem. He is working quickly and methodically.

            Some sare being unreasonable in a situation where we should be putting politics aside.

            1. Valeant profile image84
              Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Here is context, but not sure you can mistake when Trump calls it a Chinese virus as a sign of racism.  And as you can tell, all of the mistaken statements had context and the original interview linked, to provide background information before making the claims in my post.  You should know from history that much of what I claim is thoroughly researched before stated in these forums and I have admitted fault when I am wrong.

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … us-claims/

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                You are kidding are you not? WAPO. They are the cause of so many misleading out stories reported. Do you actually read WAPO after the continuous stream of problems they have with retractions? Most of my research is spurred by their stories. Most of the time they put out dirt they have no way of proving or actually care to prove. Conext? Really...

                We were discussing how quickly a vaccine was produced. You felt Trump should not have claimed a vaccine would come out in two weeks (WAPO) report. His actual words were quickly done.

                If you now want to move on to his repeated statements where he has said the virus is or was out of China.
                He has said that on several occasions. It is pretty well a fact he does not and will not adopt "political correctness". The viruses' origin was China, and they certainly could have been more forthcoming with a "heads up". I for one am pissed they did not cooperative with a heads up.. Just me, just my opinion.  I am not racist, I fully mean the context of my statement to project the virus was originated in China, and I am pissed they did not be more forthcoming. Do ya think Trump could be expressing the same sentiment?  Context is important, it is clear it's all in the way one hears any given statement Trump makes. Many are hyperbolic and ready to believe the worse. I like to really dissect, take in the complete statement. What was said that lead up to the blurb the media fed up, what said after? As a rule, I find that feed was spoiled, best not to eat it.  Might make me ill, might come down with symptoms of discontentment, confusion, hateful. And all because I was fed up a mistruth all wrapped up in malcontent.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Like, "we've stopped it?"  Or, "the coronavirus is under control?"

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Randy, it has come to a point I must ask you to prove your Trump quotes.  Val and I were having a conversation about yes, Trump's comments. And I have proved that WAPO's quote that Trump claimed the virus would be over in "two weeks" was a lie. I have pointed out to you that Trump did not get rid of important divisions of government that were working on pandemic related problems. I provided good sources to prove my comments.

                    So, I suggest if you actually heard Trump say 'we've stopped it"  or "the coronavirus is under control". Please add your resources. I have pretty much listened to all his news conferences on Cspan in full. I have not heard him utter those sentiments. I think it poor of you to spread or misquote his statements.  This morning he was concerned over the spread and was reassuring everything was being done to help stop the spread, and he talked about getting financial help to those that will need it. He is doing a good job of handling a very bad situation. You can dislike him, for many reasons. But give credit where it is due. I think he is doing his best and beyond.

                    Please provide when he made the statements you offered and a link to what news conference or where you heard these statements.

                2. Valeant profile image84
                  Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm not shocked by this reaction.  You took one look at the link and probably didn't even click to it to see that they had his quotes, the context of what they were discussing, and a link to each live interview he gave.  Instead, you just post some batshit crazy rant about a source that Trump has you convinced has no credibility because it's not him. 

                  You couldn't argue the merits, so you just attacked the people reporting it.  It's not surprising, it's how Trump operates as well. 

                  You can call it political correctness if you want to.  Myself and many others think you're fine defending and following someone openly racist.  If it were his only offense, it could be forgivable.  But he has committed so many blatantly racist statements to this point, that's it's clear.  So either you're knowingly supporting racism or you just don't have many black or asian friends to understand how offensive he is.  I hope it's the second.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Easy Val, you might be considered "bickering" by the mods. And do not ask for anyone to back up their claims. It's apparently taboo....

            2. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Remember, these same scientists who are claiming this CoronaVirus is a thing are the same ones pushing climate change on us. Just remember that. It's all a hoax.

              And why are people choosing to believe the scientists now?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I would like you to provide me a link to where you got the idea Trump said the is a Hoax. I have not been able to even find the actual quote from the president. Actually not even a twisted version. I have listened to the video where he said: " the coronavirus is the democrat's new hoax". he went on to say -" they had Russia Russia Russia, and then the impeachment, and now the coronavirus."  Seemed to me he was referring to things the Dems tried to pin on him. Like blaming him for the virus. I guess it's all in the context one takes it. I can't imagine him thinking the virus is a hoax.

                1. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Do I really need to connect the dots for you? Trump did not specifically ever say the virus was a hoax, just that it wasn’t serious and under control and would be over quickly.

                  1. dianetrotter profile image67
                    dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Trump, who previously called alarm over the coronavirus 'a hoax' and compared it to the flu, now says he's 'always viewed it as very serious'

                    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-h … oax-2020-3

                  2. dianetrotter profile image67
                    dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Donald Trump
                    Trump calls coronavirus criticism Democrats' 'new hoax' and links it to

                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … n-at-rally

                  3. dianetrotter profile image67
                    dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Trump officials get pushback from GOP on coronavirus stimulus plans

                    https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … oronavirus

                  4. dianetrotter profile image67
                    dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    There are many many sources. Bottom line, people believe what they want to believe.

              2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Apples to carrots... Science of virology is miles apart from the science of Climatology.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  You ought to know then the coronavirus isn't a "Democrat and media hoax," as someone said. Who was that?

                2. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  When you vilify scientists, then your constituents don't believe them. Science is a hoax. Climate science is a hoax. Vaccines are a hoax. Obama's birth certificate is fake. Why believe anyone about this silly Coronavirus thing? Party on the beaches of Florida! Head to the bars! Eat out! Thanks Devin Nunes.

                  Trump said testing was fine and the virus would be over soon and not to worry in direct contradiction to the scientists because he's smarter than them and knows better. What message does that send? Tell me. Believe me, not the scientists. I have a natural ability in these matters.

                  Can you really not connect these dots? Stop being so literal.

                  Remember the Pepsi ad from the 90's: "Just One Look" with Cindy Crawford? What was the message of that ad? Drink Pepsi. Cindy Crawford will like you. Or, hot chicks like Cindy Crawford drink Pepsi. Or, if you drink Pepsi, you're more likely to date Cindy Crawford.

                  You don't have to say something explicitly to deliver a message.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Do you have any resources I can view that even prove Trump made those statements? I am sure if he said any of what you have provided it will be on video in full somewhere online. I like to hear the entire conversation before eating up fed... No really, maybe you should stop, and do the same. You are bordering on sounding ridiculous. Not trying to insult you. But where did you hear Trump said: "Vaccines are a hoax"... Time for me to ask you to put up or shut up with some proof.

                    He asked the younger citizens not to party on beaches over spring break. Because they still are, and not abiding by the restrictions...

                    It was prudent of him to ask the young to stay off the beaches. What he talked about was that the young feel invincible, and don't take into account they could take it home and give it to "grandma or their parents", This was a positive message. You are trying to make it negative. That to me just shows you are not open to really hear the meaning of what Trump was conveying to the young spring-breakers. He never ever told the spring breakers to party anywhere. Prove it!  Hey, your hate is showing...

                    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2 … xp-vpx.hln

                    https://www.news-journalonline.com/opin … -mark-lane

                    https://www.click2houston.com/news/2020 … -to-party/

    9. dianetrotter profile image67
      dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Would the trajectory of the current state of affairs been different had Trump kept the NSC Pandemic team  I think the biggest lessons here are
      1. Anyone can have a good idea.
      2. Don't get rid of everything prior administration has done for political reasons.  Careful analyses are critical.
      3. We can do more working together than fighting each other.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        "Would the trajectory of the current state of affairs been different had Trump kept the NSC Pandemic team "

        Good question.  I keep seeing posts (not just here) that simply assume the pandemic team would have solved all the problems long ago - an assumption that is 100% without basis.

        But I do agree that careful analysis is needed before disbanding or removing anything.  Of course, it is assumption again that that wasn't done - an assumption that has little to support it as the idea that the team would have changed the progress of the disease.

        I also agree that we can do more working together than fighting each other, but most of what I see here is time and effort spent in blaming Trump for everything that happened without any suggestions or effort to move on and work together to solve a major problem.

        1. dianetrotter profile image67
          dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          People will be people. Some like confusion. Problem with the president is that he has a megaphone, a twitter account, a cellphone, FoxNews, etc.  I just listened to his briefing where he said there is nothing wrong with calling the virus a) the China virus and b) the Kung Fu virus.  It has impacted Asians' restaurant business and many report harrassment.

          Why can't the president, who volunteered to run for president, be a bigger person than all the others spouting nastiness. If we keep waiting for "you go first!", it will never end. The president MUST be the model of what we should do.

          When a regular Joe sends out a tweet, it goes to his/her followers and a few more. When the president tweets, it travels around the world.

    10. dianetrotter profile image67
      dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      The Lincoln Project has mastered the coverage of all that is Trump. These are Never Trumpers, including George Conway, Kellyanne's husband.  Here Trump talks about the fine job he is doing.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJgmkWJ6es

      1. dianetrotter profile image67
        dianetrotterposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Article on George Conway and Trumps rating of 10 out of 10.
        https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … oronavirus

    11. erorantes profile image61
      erorantesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Good afternoon miss crankalicious. I spoke with two health experts a nurse and a Dr. According to the nurse, the corona virus is spread when people sniff. The small wet drops of mucus that come from the nose of an infected persons die when they land on surfaces, or the person who inhaled the small unseen drops take over the body. The drops that land on surfaces die in three seconds, but if they get wet they live again. If someone touches those dead drops. Then,touches their eyes , nose or mouth they become a live. If someone who gets in contact with the virus gets it. The Dr said that in April things will be fine because we are doing what they tell us to do. We need to wash our hands with soap as often as you can for 20 seconds. Always keep the house and car interior clean. Stay away from sick people. We can text to stay in contact with them. I wish you a great week. sick people needs to contact their Doctors. We need to gargle  with salty water if we get sore throat.

      1. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I think everyone on this board would do well NOT to take advice from random people on this board and to search for information on trust-worthy sites because some of the information above is just WRONG.

        Unless you are a medical expert, stop posting stuff you randomly read. Even my mom, who has an IQ of 160, sent me something that turned out to be fake.

    12. peterstreep profile image81
      peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      https://hubstatic.com/14927716.jpg

      says it all..

    13. peterstreep profile image81
      peterstreepposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      It's clear today that the lack of leadership by president Trump is costing lives. His staling and indecisiveness are killing people.
      The development of the virus could have stopped in early stages if Trump had not downplayed the epidemic.
      The US has the highest number of confirmed infections with 104,837, followed by Italy with 86,498 and China with 81,948.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … SApp_Other

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        It is reports like this that give rise to the complaint of "faux news" - news that reports only a fraction of the relevant information and is spun to give a very false impression.  In this case, that the US is a hotbed of virus cases and in the worst position of any country in the world.

        The reality, the rest of the story, is that the infection rate, per capita (that is, the infection rate compared to the number of people that live there) is far lower.  Italy has a rate of about .14% while the US is far lower at around .032%.  4 times lower, and makes the idea that the infection rate in the US is so terrible an obvious lie.

        China, of course, is another story, but who believes the reports of the Chinese government?

        Similar to the reports that the US is doing nothing.  We're conducting 100,000 tests per day - several times higher than any other country I've heard of.  We now have auto manufacturers (automobile factories!) making ventilators.  Similarly, mattress factories are making face masks, as are pillow factories.  Labs and hospitals country wide are working on cures and vaccines.  The production might that won WWII for the allies is being thrown at the virus problem - something I haven't seen anywhere else.  This is hardly "stalling" or doing nothing.

        1. peterstreep profile image81
          peterstreepposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          That's great to hear wilderness. But have you read the article?

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            What about when the media and Democrats were condemning Trump for trying to isolate those ships coming from China?

            https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/politics … index.html

            What about the NY Governor & Mayor that said it was nothing, and not to worry about it?

            https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/nyc-offic … irus-case/

            https://qns.com/story/2020/03/02/corona … uomo-says/

            It was Trump who was raising the alarm, it was Trump trying to contain it, and it was the liberal media and fool Democrat politicians who were ignoring the threat, and calling Trump racist (and many other things) for trying to slow its spread.

            1. Valeant profile image84
              Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Trump raising the alarm you say?  When was that exactly?

              https://hubstatic.com/14939583.jpg

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I would love to see some kind of proof in regards to all the golf outings. I can't imagine this is true.

                1. Valeant profile image84
                  Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Why?  You wouldn't believe it any way.  Remember, we're avoiding each other's posts.

                  https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    In addition to all of Trump's dismissive statements, he was warned by both Republicans and Democrats about the virus and the need to coordinate a more serious response, but it was ignored.

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … s-debacle/

                    I do enjoy Ken's sheeple responses. He's a sheep, just in a different pasture.

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Two people said we need a test.  And our CDC was working on one; to blame Trump because it took them longer than expected is silly.  But then that was to be pretty much expected from an outfit that seems to exist to blame our president for anything that happens anywhere in the world.  Unless, of course, it is positive, whereupon someone else is given credit or it is ignored.

            But I wasn't replying to the article; I was replying to the insinuation, from you and not the article, that the US has a far higher infection rate than other nations.  That simply is not true, unless you believe the Chinese figures (I don't).

    14. Ewent profile image81
      Ewentposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Is this virus still "a hoax?" as Trump called it? Or are people actually dying because he claims he knew "before anyone else" about it and refused to inform doctors, nurses, hospitals and anyone who might have prepared for this epidemic?

      Is that what leadership is? Playing the role of the ONLY one who knows what will cost American lives?

      He claims he knew in December and spent every weekend playing golf at Mar-a-Lago. How much did he care then about this virus and the lives it would take?

      Make all the excuses for Trump but it doesn't erase that he is NO leader and should never have been allowed near the White House.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Please back up your statement that the President knew in Dec of the virus. Please offer a link to where you obtained such a statement.

        The president did make the statement early on that it would soon be gone. As did Nancy Pelosi when she said: "join me in China Town for dinner."

        Neither knew at the time they made those statements the seriousness of the virus, due to the WHO playing this virus down...

        Why not put the timeline in perspective, instead of making such statements. Or better yet do some research on the timeline of what our Government knew and when they knew it.

    15. dianetrotter profile image67
      dianetrotterposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      5 months later, I have 10 relatives that contracted COVID. We've had 2 family friends pass way from COVID. A pastor and wife over one of our church campuses had it. The leader of my women's group and her husband have it. Several friends have posted on Facebook that they had it. It is real. It did not disappear miraculously. It is spreading because people (mostly young) are ignoring safety precautions. It is not a hoax.

      I spend most of my time in the house because i have pre-existing conditions.

  2. Live to Learn profile image77
    Live to Learnposted 13 months ago

    lol six degrees of Kevin Bacon pales in comparison to the half a degree to Trump.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I don't know what you're talking about, LTL. Do you?

      1. Live to Learn profile image77
        Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Yep. I not only know what I'm talking about but I also understand why you don't.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I don't get Trumping it, but apparently you do....

  3. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    The bastion of humanity...

    https://hubstatic.com/14898872.jpg

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      What a humanitarian! Someone's proud of him though....

  4. Glenis Rix profile image97
    Glenis Rixposted 13 months ago

    I think that if we had to pay that much for drugs the population of the UK would rapidly decrease! Most people could not afford the cost.

    It's bewildering why the US does not import drugs from the EU. No trade agreement? High import duty? Protecting US manufacturers?

    It's all a bit confusing. There is certainly concern here that costs to us will rise when we are finally out of the transition period with the EU. We will need to have negotiated a free trade agreement with the EU if we are to continue to import tariff-free goods from the economic bloc. Call me pessimistic, but that is looking increasingly unlikely to happen.

    The UK government seems hellbent on trying to negotiate a trade agreement with the US but it seems that, given what you have written, even if we had an agreement costs would rise - presumably that is because either your manufacturing costs are higher, or profit margins added to the cost are higher. Or perhaps your drugs are manufactured overseas and you are paying high import taxes?  Prices to reflect R&D costs are only relevant for the period that a company holds a patent on a product.

    My sister works for the UK arm of a US pharmaceutical company, specialising in regulatory affairs. I'm going to ask her for clarification.

  5. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    Only 85 confirmed cases in the US, so far this week.  Nothing to worry about.  It's all under control.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/map-where-co … 35760.html

    1. MizBejabbers profile image89
      MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Maybe these statistics exist because somebody, or many sombodies, took the time to worry about it.

    2. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Notice there are almost no conservatives participating in this forum? That's because they don't believe in science. Science is all a hoax. The coronavirus is a hoax. It'll all be over soon.

    3. profile image0
      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Now 160 cases in the U.S. -- an 88% jump only three days later.

      Scientists in Seattle say the actual number there is more like 600 because they simply haven't been tested yet.

      Nothing to worry about. It's all under control.

      Meanwhile, as IslandBites shows, Trump is encouraging sick people to go to work. And squashing information by the CDC.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        "The CDC predicts that at least 12,000 Americans will die from the flu in any given year. As many as 61,000 people died in America in the 2017-2018 flu season, and 45 million were infected. Feb 7, 2020"

        Here is an informative article you may want to check out on the dangers our common flu causes in comparison to the Coronavirus.

        "The new coronavirus outbreak has made headlines in recent weeks, but there's another viral epidemic hitting countries around the world: flu season. But how do these viruses compare, and which one is really more worrisome?

        So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 89,000 illnesses and 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)"

        The article covers all aspects of coronavirus, from its virulence, symptoms,  death rates in regards to other flu, and what is being done to combat the virus.

        Like with any flu it should be taken seriously, and no one should return to work when ill with any form of flu. But, we all know they do. This is a major problem with controlling any form of flu.


        https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav … h-flu.html

        1. profile image0
          promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks for your link. As I said in my posts, the coronavirus has a death rate 1,700 times higher than the flu and is spreading much faster.

          Look at it this way. When in our lifetimes have entire countries shut down and the stock market plunged thousands of points in response to the flu?

  6. IslandBites profile image87
    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    In a phoner with Hannity on Wednesday night, Trump reacted to the World Health Organization's data-driven assessment of the global death rate for the novel coronavirus — 3.4% — by saying "I think the 3.4% is really a false number."

    "Now, this is just my hunch," Trump said, which should have spurred Hannity to interrupt, but he didn't, so Trump continued, "based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this, and it's very mild -- they'll get better very rapidly, they don't even see a doctor, they don't even call a doctor -- you never hear about those people, so you can't put them down in the category of the overall population, in terms of this corona flu, and/or virus. So you just can't do that."

    Trump continued by discarding his own administration's advice to stay home if you're feeling sick: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better, and then when you do have a death, like you've had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York." No deaths have been reported in New York.

    "You know," Trump said, "all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4%, which is a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1%. But again, they don't know about the easy cases because the easy cases don't go to the hospital. They don't report to doctors or the hospital in many cases. So I think that that number is very high. I think the number, personally, I would say the number is way under 1%." Hannity televised Trump's irresponsible "hunch" to the world...

    SMH

    1. profile image0
      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Many credible sources including the World Health Organization say the death rate is 3.4%.

    2. Glenis Rix profile image97
      Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this
  7. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

    Let us compare the Coronovirus with the annual Flu. As we face the flu every year.

    Deaths

    COVID-19: Approximately 3,159 deaths reported worldwide; 7 deaths in the U.S., as of Mar. 3, 2020.

    Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ … vs-the-flu

    Is it actually any more dangerous than the flu?

    “All the patients in the U.S. haven’t required tons of excessive care and actually, right now, they’re actually all improving,” said Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “Based on the U.S. experience, and based on the experience of other countries outside China, a lot of these patients seem to be doing okay.” .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/m … story.html

    It also appears to have a 94% recovery rate.

    Currently Infected
    39,506
    Mild Condition
    33,085
    (84%)
    Serious or Critical
    6,421
    (16%)
    Cases with Outcome
    57,271
    Recovered/Discharged
    53,963
    (94%)
    Deaths
    3,308
    (6%)

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir … rus-cases/

    1. profile image0
      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      That's a great Sean Hannity / Donald Trump perspective filled with numbers meant to confuse, deceive and kill gullible people.

      The flu death rate is 2 per 100,000 people versus 3,400 per 100,000 for coronavirus.

      The growth in coronavirus infections is 50 to 100% per week. Scientists estimate up to 2/3rds of the planet could become infected.

      It will take 12-18 months to develop a vaccine.

      The world economy is crashing in response. Most of the world believes the scientists and not Sean Hannity / Donald Trump.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … population

      1. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        The information I provided are from John Hopkins University Medical school as well as the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).  I always find it interesting the 94 % recovery rate is never discussed in the mainstream media.

        Guess what?  This is public information so President Donald Trump, Sean Hannity as well as anyone who wants to do some honest research can view.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          You know Trump doesn't read....

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            The problem with Trump is that he lies so much it’s hard to know when to believe him.

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          promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks for using credible sources.

          Stats from the CDC and Hopkins don't change the facts in my comment. Coronavirus has a current 3.4% death rate. It is 1,700 times higher than the flu.

          That WP link is 3 weeks old. Everyone isn't doing OK. At least 11 have died so far.

          "Is it actually any more dangerous than the flu?"

          The answer is yes.

          1. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I don't understand why the panic when in any given year between 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the US happen from the flu.  In the United States, there has not even been 100 deaths from the coronovirus and we panic, yet, everyone is calm about losing tens of thousands of people every year from the flu.

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              If it bleeds, it leads.

              Mike, on this we agree. People just don't understand how deadly the flu is from year to year. If it was treated as a completely new thing, people would be freaking out over the yearly pandemic.

              1. Readmikenow profile image97
                Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I agree with you.

            2. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Pretty simple, actually: we have hundreds of thousands of cases of the flue.  So far there only only a handful of cases of Covid in the US; the future will certainly see far more.  It spreads at least as easily as the common flu; when we have hundreds of thousands of Covid happening there WILL be far more deaths.

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Agreed. Simple math. If the fatality rate is higher, then if it becomes as widespread as the flu, there will be more deaths. However, I suspect that the fatality rate is overblown because we don't really know how many people are infected. The fatality rate is based on the known cases.

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                  promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  We also don't know how many people are dead. Many experts say that China is hiding their real numbers.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Plus there's a cruise ship quarantined off the coast of California with most people on board over 70 years of age. They are more susceptible than most to the virus.

                    Test kits have been delivered and in a few hours we'll know something about the rate of contagion on board the ship.

                2. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I agree.  I strongly suspect that there are thousands of cases where people simply stay home and work through it, not even realizing what they have.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image97
                    Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I think the survival rate of 94 percent should be mentioned regularly in the media.

                3. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, just the point Trump was making on Hannity the other night. Many may not consider that they have coronavirus if the symptoms are mild, and they become well quickly without even the need to see a doctor. He was pointing out the same thing you just pointed out. The death toll may not be correct.

                  1. IslandBites profile image87
                    IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    But that is also true for influenza, etc. We'll never know the true numbers. Mortality rate is based on known numbers.

                    And just as we don't know how many could be infected, we don't know, for now, how many have died of coronavirus before getting tested. So the point is nonsense. He was minimizing and misinforming, as he frequently does.

            3. profile image0
              promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              I hope we can agree that we shouldn't overreact or underreact to coronavirus.

              In reply to your first sentence, it seems that people are worried the number of deaths will far exceed the flu if enough people get infected.

              There are also reports coming out of China that some survivors have permanent lung damage. It's another reason to be afraid of the virus.

  8. IslandBites profile image87
    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    Quarantined nurse in California warns 'not enough is being done' to combat coronavirus

    A quarantined nurse in a northern California facility said Thursday that they have not been tested for coronavirus due to issues with the federal government’s bureaucratic roadblocks.

    “As a nurse, I’m very concerned that not enough is being done to stop the spread of the coronavirus,” the nurse wrote in a statement shared by their union, the California Nurses Association.

    “I know because I am currently sick and in quarantine after caring for a patient who tested positive. I’m awaiting ‘permission’ from the federal government to allow for my testing, even after my physician and county health professional ordered it.”

    The nurse said they experienced symptoms of the virus after caring for a patient who was known to be positive for the virus, despite following training and wearing the protective gear recommended by their employer.

    First, the CDC said “they would not test me because if I were wearing the recommended protective equipment, then I wouldn’t have the coronavirus,” the nurse said.

    “What kind of science-based answer is that? What a ridiculous and uneducated response from the department that is in charge of our health in this country,” they said.

    The nurse said they were later told the issue is with “something called the ‘identifier number.’”

    “They claim they prioritize running samples by illness severity and that there are only so many to give out each day. So I have to wait in line to find out the results,” the nurse said. “This is not the ticket dispenser at the deli counter; it’s a public health emergency! I am a registered nurse, and I need to know if I am positive before going back to caring for patients.”

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Scary as hell, IB!

  9. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 13 months ago

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  10. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 13 months ago

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  11. IslandBites profile image87
    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    CPAC attendee tested positive for coronavirus

    The American Conservative Union announced on Saturday that one of the attendees at last week's Conservative Political Action Conference in National Harbor, Maryland, has tested positive for coronavirus.

    "The exposure occurred previous to the conference. A New Jersey hospital tested the person, and CDC confirmed the positive result," the ACU said in a statement. "The individual is under the care of medical professionals in the state of New Jersey, and has been quarantined."

  12. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14910529.jpg

    1. Live to Learn profile image77
      Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      It fascinates me how everything always leads back to a Trump conversation or jab for a leftist.

      It must be nice imaging the incredible utopia you musty believe the world would be if there was no Trump. I just wonder what you will all do when another president sits in the white house. Will the sanity of the left be restored or will you all frantically look for someone to blame. For everything.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Have you been listening to Trump's statements about the coronavirus?

      2. Valeant profile image84
        Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        When he is blatantly making false statements in a time of crisis, as opposed to a real leader who defers to the experts in such times, that's not utopia, that's just smart leadership.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Good one!  big_smile

      The lettering on our MUTE button is worn from overuse, but like watching a train wreck, we cannot turn away at first. Only when it becomes unbearable, like, after 90 seconds or so, do we finally mute the incompetent liar.

  13. Credence2 profile image82
    Credence2posted 13 months ago

    Just seems to me that Trump is more concerned about how the crisis affects his political standing and prospects (his hunch) over letting the experts inform us all with medically sound directives.

    Those leaning to right to support anything that this dolt, Trump, says, disgust
    me to no end.

    Trump remains, in my opinion, a deplorable and despicable man with nothing to redeem him, despite all the rightwingers and their noses up his arse.

    1. profile image0
      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Some of us lean to the right and feel about Trump the way you do.  wink

      I don't mean to pick nits with your words. I just don't think the Republican party consists of real conservatives anymore.

      It mainly consists of white nationalists, anti-government libertarians and rich sociopaths who want no taxes. The party no longer represents conservative values.

      Real conservatives oppose trade wars, abuse of our allies, abuse of the Constitution and massive deficit spending -- all of which Trump is doing.

      1. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        That is interesting, Promisem. What it is that the Republicans
        are devolving into.

        Why are not more true conservatives like you unable to dislodge the Trump fervor that dominate Republican politics today?

        I think that this scenario is the basis for us all to fear for the future....

        1. profile image0
          promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          To be clear, I'm a fiscal conservative and social moderate, so I'm not a pure conservative.

          In answer to your questions, some of the most prominent conservative thinkers in the country are strongly opposed to Trump (David Brooks, George Will, Max Boot). Suburban Republicans are bailing out.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpos … story.html

          The party is devolving into an advocacy group for rich libertarians. Everyday Trump followers embrace the fervor thanks to ignorance, propaganda and seriously closed minds.

  14. Valeant profile image84
    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14911031.jpg

    1. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      What is the big deal? This thing will be over soon. It's just another Democratic hoax to embarrass our President. Had Obama done more, we wouldn't be in this situation anyway.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Has anyone done research on the yearly flu seasons we experience? Coronavirus does not seem to be as contagious or death ratio as our yearly cases of flu.  It is certainly a virus we need to create a vaccine for but does it really threaten the public any more than any other flu? N1H1 --- It caused little media coverage. Obama handled the situation quickly. By declaring the flu a national emergency before our first death. Trump did the same. Soon after Obama accepted the congress bill for funds to fight aid in the control of the virus. Trump did the same. Obama recommended not to panic. Trump, has gone in another direction downplaying the severity of the virus. Which to most of us was not appropriate. Although in the end, he did his job. However, many people do not accept his opinion or find his statements it a reassuring.  Which is very understandable. Perhaps panic is not the best resolve. The cases here in the USA are remaining low, and the spread of the virus as of yet seems very slow compared to most viruses.

        "This virus was designated as an influenza A (H1N1)pdm09 virus. ... From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus"

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I think you're making some completely incorrect statements.

          Coronavirus appears to be far more contagious and far more deadly than the common flu.

          However, the flu kills a considerable number of people each year.

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            promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            The flu transmission rate is 1.3. Coronavirus is 2.5.

            Coronavirus also is 1,700 times more deadly.

            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin … SKBN1ZO0QW

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              So, getting better. "Far more contagious" is probably an overstatement. Transmission rates may drop if we simply get the word out about good hand-washing.

              However, far more deadly is still in effect.

              1. profile image0
                promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Actually, it is 92% more contagious (2.5 / 1.3). So it really is "far more contagious".

              2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I found this site that is very informative in regards to data on the virus and its daily rate of numbers of people infected, deaths, and recoveries. It has stats for every country. A good reference to follow to keep tabs on the rate of spread of the in infection, recoveries, and deaths. It's updated as needed.

                https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            It was not my intent to downplay the severity of the virus. I was simply stating at this point as of today, the number of flu cases as well as deaths is still low for a flu virus. I have been doing some reading making an attempt to find information on the Coronavirus severity. Most health organizations and scientific reports are that not enough is known about the virus as of yet. many feel it is as severe as H1N1.  I certainly do not want to downplay the severity of a virus we know little about.

            In my view, it as of yet is not spreading rapidly as H1N1 did. The cases have slowed, and as have the deaths here in the USA. I have been keeping my eye on Italy, they are dealing with a real crisis. Italy will give us an idea of how quickly it spreads and how virulent it is.

  15. Glenis Rix profile image97
    Glenis Rixposted 13 months ago

    I watched the UK Government's Committee of Inquiry into the coronavirus on live tv yesterday.  Questions were put to the Director of Public Health England by MPs. Obviously, the people in charge of running the country need to be aware of the worst-case scenario so that they can plan effectively.

    The coronavirus is life-threatening mostly for the elderly and people with pre-existing medical conditions. The death rate for over-80s who become infected has been calculated as 8%. (That's a lot of people in countries which have a lot of elderly people - like Italy).

    Most people infected will have flu-like symptoms and need to self-isolate -because the virus is extremely contagious. Symptoms may be so mild for some that they might not even be aware that they have the virus - which adds to the spread of the disease.

    Anticipated difficulties associated with a pandemic are

    (1) keeping industry, commerce and public services working effectively for the duration, because so many people are likely to be absent from work
    (2) finding enough medics, beds, breathing equipment and health care professionals to care for the numbers that may need hospitalisation
    (3) continuing to provide effective care services for residents of care homes or receiving care at home, due to staffing shortages.
    (4) workers with mild symptoms neglecting to self-isolate because they need to continue to work to earn money. This will spread the virus.

    The rate of increase in cases has slowed in China and South Korea - due perhaps to the extreme measures they have taken to contain the spread - but not, I think, in the rest of the world.

    Numbers and rate of spread are increasing in the UK. The government's emergency planning meetings are taking place at least once each week to monitor the situation. It seems from news reports that the government is likely to soon transition from the containment stage to measures like preventing large scale public gatherings, closing museums etc.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal … 85842.html

    1. TessSchlesinger profile image95
      TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Hell, I'm trying to figure out if I can use my NHS number if I get ill (even if I'm just there on business. I do have medical insurance, and I'm so glad I took the more expensive option.

      1. Glenis Rix profile image97
        Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        When in England you must ring 111 - the NHS helpline - if you suspect that you may have coronavirus.

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    Onusonusposted 13 months ago

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      Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

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    2. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

      Trump at CDC... Yikes! neutral

      1. MizBejabbers profile image89
        MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Really! And as of this writing, he is refusing to be tested although he was exposed to people who had been exposed to the virus. The pundits say the probability is low that he is contaminated, but the fact that he would take that kind of chance also tells the world what kind of man he is. Just look at how many people he could infect at a rally!

        1. TessSchlesinger profile image95
          TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I guess he has a god complex. I have been frightened out of my wits traveling across Africa these last 24 hours.Now in London. Nobody wearing masks.

    3. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 13 months ago

      Meanwhile, my Facebook friends who are Trump worshippers boast about going to work while sick because "it's just the sniffles and that's what I always do. It's a hoax."

      Dumbasses.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image95
        TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Dangerous, irresponsible dumbasses

      2. hard sun profile image82
        hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Hi PP. I sort of kind of felt this way until I learned a bit more about the matter and how the health organizations look at pandemics. I came to learn that while many of us may not have hardly any trouble with this virus, with the way it spreads, millions of people will have trouble if we don't contain it. In addition to millions of premature deaths due directly to the virus, how many other unnecessary deaths would occur if our health systems are overrun. I read that there is no way the US system could keep up if this virus spreads unchecked throughout America.

        So, my initial reaction was wrong. But, with a little more research, I learned better and changed my outlook. This seems so simple but something that many Americans are unable to do these days. I've been battling a case of the flu myself with laryngitis. Luckily I work from home so don't have to go anywhere. Feeling a bit better today.

        1. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I hope you get well soon!

          1. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thank you. I'm taking it easy as they say.

        2. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I'm  glad you are feeling better and hope you recover soon. I think many people reacted similarly to you, initially  thinking the fears and media coverage were  overblown, but revising their opinion with more knowledge. These people are not like that. They believe it's all a huge exaggeration just to make their dear leader look bad.

          They really are dumbasses.

          1. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks..and I think your last sentence sums it up very well. I'm not sure humans would have made it this far if too many of us thought like that.

      3. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        The moron the US has for president has been twitter-storming about the Dems Primaries, insulting the media, endorsing politicians... Everything but Coronavirus. His las tweet about it was 3 days ago, dismissing it.
        NOW he's calling for unity, asking Dems and media to work with him. All his last tweets, 8 in 6 hours, are about the virus. So, now Coronavirus is important?

        SMH

        What an idiot!

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Geesh. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

          I thought tonight's speech was appropriate. The Coronavirus is having a disastrous economic effect—worldwide, and our president addresses the nation in that respect. I bet I can guess what the scoring judges will say.

          GA

          1. IslandBites profile image87
            IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            That wasn't the point. But of course you take offense.

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              I wasn't offended. I took the point to be that because he wasn't saying the right thing 3 days ago he is being criticized for saying the right thing now. If that wasn't it, what was the point I missed?

              GA

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                It's  good he says the right thing once in awhile. Does it really matter after all the selfish lies and divisive behavior during a time of crisis? No. We should all ignore his stupid ass and listen only to the grown-ups.

                1. hard sun profile image82
                  hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I think most of us are ignoring him for the most part. We know he has no idea what's going on. Now there's at least a chance that Trump has the virus and is sharing it with others. He's "not concerned" though. What a leader. If he ends up in the hospital soon with the virus he'll deny it:

                  "I was just visiting. That place really isn't a hospital anyway. It was my annual check up where they tell me how I'm the fittest person alive. Damn Democrat hoax is what it is."

                2. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Sure, that's a choice you can make.

                  GA

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Yep.

              2. IslandBites profile image87
                IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I didnt criticized what he said. My point was that he was minimizing and missinforming, and had to wait until this point to pretend to be a decent human being.
                * Still no judging what "right" or not he said now.

                1. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Well. it sounded like criticism. Maybe it's just a matter of perspective.

                  GA

        2. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Yep.

          https://hubstatic.com/14916190.png

    4. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

      Katie Porter is awesome. Damn!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsXBqa3l5os

    5. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

      I don't get the panic surrounding the coronavirus.  Between 2009 and 2010 there was the H1N1 flu.  It was far more serious and yet, nobody changed anything in their lives.  The stock market was unaffected by it.
      Here is some important information about the H1N1 pandemic from Politifact. 

      “It was serious. From April 12, 2009, to April 10, 2010, in the United States, there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated.”

      Obama didn't declare H1N1 a national emergency until more than 1,000 people had died from it.

      “On Oct. 24, 2009, six months after his administration declared H1N1 a public health emergency, Obama declared it a national emergency.   At that point, H1N1 had claimed more than 1,000 American lives, according to the CDC”

      President Donald Trump declared the coronavirus a public health emergency before ANY American had died from it. 

      “By way of comparison, Trump declared the coronavirus a public health emergency on Jan. 31, 2020, also prior to any deaths in the United States. One effect was that U.S. citizens who had been in China's Hubei Province, the source of the outbreak, in the previous 14 days were subjected to 14 days of mandatory quarantine if they traveled back to the United States.”

      https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … th-emerge/

      So, why the panic?  Nobody paniced in 2009.  President Donald Trump is on top of this situation and doing what needs to be done to take care of it.  He's doing what Obama did, but a little sooner.

      So, why the panic?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I do not believe panic is hekpful. That said, you will "get it" soon enough.

    6. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

      https://hubstatic.com/14916311.jpg

      1. hard sun profile image82
        hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I don't see much panic. Your meme is representative of a common sense approach to controlling viruses though. I take it that's how you meant it.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I'm sure. :-D

          And where is Randy? Anyone know?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I noted he is not around too...  I have no one to go back and forth with. LOL

        2. Readmikenow profile image97
          Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          You don't see much panic?  Saint Patrick's Day parades are being canceled by big cities, professional sports events are being canceled, the stock market lost of 2,000 point, there are runs on toilet paper, Universities are cancelling classes, schools around the country are cancelling classes.  A high school near where I live cancelled classed for a day to disinfect the school because a student "may" have come in contact with someone with the conrona virus. I could go on, so, maybe you don't read as much news as I do, but yes, there is a lot of idiotic panic.

          NONE of this was done during 2009-2010 with the H1N1 flu, that was far more dangerous.

          I'm tired of this insane panic.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            What you see as panic the experts see as prudent measures to help slow the spread of a virus that is deadly to some people.

            Why are you tired of it? Is preventing some unnecessary deaths inconveniencing you?

            1. hard sun profile image82
              hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Ha...once again, great minds!

          2. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I already explained how I thought as you are thinking until I learned just how much millions of sick Americans would overwhelm our healthcare system...how many premature deaths may be prevented (including some that would have nothing to do with the virus) You don't seem to want to address those facts though.

            Caution and attempting to prevent an outbreak at a crucial point is not panic. These things are happening because that is what the scientists are saying is best. But, we all know that you and Trump know better than the CDC, the WHO, our nations top infectious disease experts etc. and that they are all part of the Deep State anyway.

            It seems China is getting control over the virus because of measure such as those you are referring to. Is the US going to be the one to say to hell with it?

            1. Readmikenow profile image97
              Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              "But, we all know that you and Trump know better than the CDC, the WHO, our nations top infectious disease experts etc. and that they are all part of the Deep State anyway."

              This sounds like whining to me.  Lets have an adult conversation.

              MY point is that none of this was done during the H1N1 virus outbreak.  The media barely covered it.  So, why was there no panic back then, but there is a panic now?  H1N1 was WORSE than the conronavirus.  Something just isn't right.

              Could it have been that the media in 2009 was focused on illustrating the benefits of Obamacare and an H1N1 panic would have hurt the image of Obamacare.  Today, the media is focused on hurting President Donald Trump so promoting a panic may benefit the Democrats. 

              That is one idea of why there is such a difference.

              1. IslandBites profile image87
                IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                The media barely covered it.

                That's a lie and you know it. But keep peddling.

              2. hard sun profile image82
                hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Personal insults are a sign you know you have no argument. Of course the media is more focused on this now, it is more focused on everything now! However, I do remember wall to wall coverage of H1N1.

                An H1N1 vaccine was developed some months after the disease had been discovered. People were lining up for the vaccine so they didn't have to cancel everything!

                And yes...Trump. He is a dummy. We have a dummy in charge and most people understand this.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  You start out your comment with " Personal insults are a sign you know you have no argument."

                  You close with an insult. "And yes...Trump. He is a dummy. We have a dummy in charge and most people understand this."

                  .

                  1. hard sun profile image82
                    hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    And I don't see the irony though I knew someone would attempt to draw the parallel. I'm not arguing my points with Trump so I'm not calling names instead of presenting my argument. One of my points is that Trump is a dummy. That's a big part of the problem here.

                    1. crankalicious profile image93
                      crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      Trump being a dummy is the least of our problems. He continues to tell the American people not to worry because they will get Coronavirus treatment for free. He said it in his address and he continues to say it.

        3. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I have a quick question a yes or no will suffice if you don't feel you want to answer in-depth. Do you feel the president has handle measures well to curb the spread of the virus, to promote the development of a vaccine, and protect the citizens of this nation? I realize there were problems producing enough testing kits. My question pertains to curbing the spread and related deaths from the virus.

          USA    1,396 cases, 39 deaths. And I am sure you are aware of the his new travel restrictions, and financial relief he is requesting for those affected by the virus.

          On Jan, 20th 2020 the first case was diagnosed in the USA.
          Feb 1, 2020 --"On February 1, 2020, Trump signed an executive order banning all foreign nationals from entering the US who had been in China. The order came into effect at 5 pm on February 2, 2020. Trump has been accused of ‘panicking’ by thousands of people affected by the travel ban."

          I have provided a link with by the day updated stats on the virus. It will give you an idea of how his measures seem to be working in comparison to other countries. It's a good up to date reference site.

          https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    7. hard sun profile image82
      hard sunposted 13 months ago

      No. He's not even doing well with his own personal responsibility as it relates to the virus.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I agree he should be tested do to it appears he was exposed. But I think he is doing a very good job curbing the spread and fighting for financial relief for citizens affected by the virus. he is setting new precedence with providing financial help to many that would suffer financially. In my book, he deserves credit when it is due.

        However, thanks for your opinion.

        1. hard sun profile image82
          hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          With all due respect, you are giving him credit for things that we have no clue how they are even going to play out yet. Curbing the spread? Seems not so much right now. Financial relief? We have no clue what or how this may play out.

          1. Live to Learn profile image77
            Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I agree. I was really impressed with the fact there would be help for hourly workers and bowled over by the fact there would be no co pay required on corona virus medical assistance but, the proof will be in the implementation.

            We'll see how curbing the spread plays out but that is in our hands, individually, as much as the government's. People have a tendency to expect everyone else to take responsibility.

            1. hard sun profile image82
              hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              The insurance industry already corrected him on the no copay required for medical assistance. He meant that tests would be free...oops.

              I think most Americans understand they have a personal responsibility. I saw a guy get forced to wash his hands in a public restroom. I think most Americans understand this better than Trump does. He won't even get tested despite being knowing he was near people with the virus.

              1. Live to Learn profile image77
                Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I don't put much stock in media posturing and click bait attempts to feed the echo chamber. I'm certain the POTUS has 24/7 access to medical advice and if a test is warranted it will be done, or has been. Like you already claimed. He's a liar so he may be lying about that?

                We are in such a weird place as a nation.  Instead of coming together in a time of crisis we have such as this thread. I hope I'm right and it's a bunch of hoopla over nothing. We aren't ready to band together and help each other through a major crisis.

                1. hard sun profile image82
                  hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm pretty sure Trump already recanted his own statement on Twitter. We are in such a weird place as a nation. A  group of people voted for a dummy. The acts we are taking by cancelling events and what not are signs that we are banding together. The numbers on this disease prove it's serious enough to take measures to protect our nation. Not panic.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    People in leadershhip roles across the country  are stepping up to make hard decisions, tell the truth, and do the right thing. I see people coming together despite the dangerous idiot who fails us daily. He is irrelevant to most of us who merely hope he will do no more harm in this situation than run his stupid mouth.

                    1. hard sun profile image82
                      hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      Exactly. Americans are resilient. I don't see people panicking unless they are starving or lacking water. Then we will have real problems with social unrest. I don't think it will come to that though as you state...real leaders are stepping up.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I as a rule don't jump out with an "if come'. Although in Pelosi's press confrence this morning she was very encouraging that a bill that included Trump's requests would be most likely be on his desk in 24 to 48 hours.

            he will set a precedence f this financial help package goes through to help those that are affected by a health crisis. I see this as a very progressive action to prevent financial problems for many.

            Some wanted words of reassurance, some of us wanted action.  Let's face it he will not stay on a script like many presidents before him. But in the end, he does his job. We all have a right to our opinions on which is more important if we have to pick only one.

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              How does implying that everyone can get a test if they want one and telling Americans treatment for the CoronaVirus will be free help anything? How does patting yourself on the back for all your "great" work help anyone? Stuff spews from his mouth hole and it's impossible to tell what's fact and what's fiction.

              That said, there's very little the President could do to stop the spread of this virus short of enabling the agencies who deal with such things with funding and not cutting their funding, which is what he did.

              In order to limit and/or prevent a pandemic, you have to be prepared for one and Trump did the opposite of prepare, though you can't explicitly blame him alone for that.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I was pointing out the positive of what our government is doing to combat the virus. You do realize many positive steps are being taken to combat this virus outbreak.

                One cannot be ready for a new virus. The only thing that can be done at this point is preventive measures, and work to develop a vaccine. That is just what our Government is doing.  It is apparent we lacked test kits, but other than that, I think everything is being handled pretty well.

                How would you prepare for an unknown virus? NO one could predict or prepare for an unknown virus.

                And I noted in one of your comments you feel we get our vaccines from China. This is not true. Most of the other vaccines used in the United States are made in France, Canada, Belgium, Germany, or the United States.

    8. Ladymermaid profile image89
      Ladymermaidposted 13 months ago

      Because we have no immunity nor vaccine for this illness. Also many of us fall into the high risk area and for us the thought of catching this virus is terrifying.

    9. hard sun profile image82
      hard sunposted 13 months ago

      Current US numbers :1,670 confirmed cases 40 fatal. That equals a 2.39 percent mortality rate thus far. That rate is higher in China and much higher in Italy. That is at least partially being blamed on healthcare industries being overwhelmed. I heard from a virologist that Italy's health system was much better prepared than the US on this. The known flu death rate in the US is typically about 0.1 percent. Yet Fox news puts up graphics showing how many more people have died from the flu. Like duh...how long has the flu been around? I know Americans understand stats better than that???

      Panic is always silly. Action that makes sense is not panic.

    10. Kenna McHugh profile image91
      Kenna McHughposted 13 months ago

      Calm down and wash your hands. It's not the time to be ignorant.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Good advice...

    11. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 months ago

      https://hubstatic.com/14916715.jpg

      I feel so sorry for people who have relatives who vote democrat.

      1. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        He didn't save as many as he killed by cutting off funding to the centers that prepare for this kind of stuff. So he's still at a net loss.

    12. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 13 months ago

      A quote from your leader about those returning from Europe: "Sure. But we have them very heavily tested. If an American is coming back or anybody is coming back, we're testing. We have a tremendous testing set up where people coming in have to be tested."

      A complete lie.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image95
        TessSchlesingerposted 13 months ago

        Well, I am most definitely worked up about it this morning. I just had to cancel my flight to Portugal. Not even remotely prepared to chance my health, thank you.

        1. Glenis Rix profile image97
          Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I'm not worked up - resigned to the inevitable. Flight to Venice cancelled, gym membership frozen for three months, theatre tickets refunded, groceries ordered online and delivered to the house. I hate to have to admit it but I'm 'elderly'. So I have been in self-imposed house arrest this week, apart from turns around the nearby nature park with the Nordic poles.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Of course the problem with that is, we are only in the opening inning of this fiasco. 

            There are 8 more innings to go, it isn't going to 'blow over' in a couple weeks, if there are going to be outbreaks, and millions of Americans getting it, we are weeks, if not months from it reaching the peak outbreak point.

            Personally I am not worried about it, but I am worried about the weakness of human nature and the 'herd effect'... and lawlessness taking hold in states such as CA which seems ripe for a societal-norm breakdown.

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              If you look at the difference between how Philadelphia and St. Louis handled the Spanish Flu in 1918, you will see that social distancing works. If we can follow that model, we can slow this thing down.

              The question will then be, will it re-emerge after it's slowed down.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                The question is, how dangerous is it.

                If its Norovirus type dangerous, then this is something we can manage.

                This is a panic being caused by the reaction to the virus, by governments, by businesses, whether the eccentric efforts (NBA, PGA, etc shutting down) are valid precautions remains to be seen.

                We don't know that this reaction is justified, but it shows the ability that the media and various organizations have to shut down life-as-normal and bring the world slowly to a halt.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I don't  understand how you can question how dangerous it is. Do you not believe  the reports from around the world? Italy, for example?

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Ken is accurate, but is also pushing the Fox News version of events. This is hysteria - a media driven frenzy meant to damage Trump. History shows that social distancing works. Local governments are listening to experts and not the White House, which is why you are seeing these new tools come into play. What I think will be most interesting is whether technology and medicine can work together to get this thing under control faster than normal.

                    1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                      Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this



                      Its comments like this that put you in the Randy category of labeling and belittling of anyone who doesn't see the world in the same way he does.

                      I don't watch Fox, I don't watch American TV News at all.

                      Its amazing how clear, unstressed and well a mind works when not filled with garbage.  And all that the CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. "News" channels feed people is garbage...Fox may be the best of them but its still garbage.

                      I catch Bloomberg radio, about 15-30 minutes a day, for their Market analysis, depending on what I feel like listening to while driving. 

                      Otherwise I research my information from various sources, preferably not anything related to one of the primary American news channels.

                      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                        Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        You called me a "capitalist pig" and didn't get banned for it, Ken. You're apparently immune to a ban as I would have gotten a month ban for doing the same to you.

                        But then, you're a Trumper....

                      2. crankalicious profile image93
                        crankaliciousposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                        I think what Randy has wisely realized is that nothing he says can persuade or detour a Trump supporter or right-wing zealot from their prescribed position on any issue, so he just posts short, pithy statements that sum up his sentiments without wasting much of his time.

                        I admire him for that. Nothing seems to bother him.

                  2. Glenis Rix profile image97
                    Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I don’t pay attention to the media - I go directly to expert opinion and our NHS website for information.

                    https://111.nhs.uk/service/COVID-19/

                2. profile image0
                  promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Of course we know how dangerous it is.

                  It's 93% more contagious than the flu and has a death rate 1,500 times higher, according to the CDC, WHO and other credible sources.

                  And speaking of the media, does the media in China control the government or does the government control the media?

                  Was it the Chinese media that shut down all of China?

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                    Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    "of course we know" that is that the ultimate statement as to your outlook on things, isn't it?

                    Nothing like someone who is an expert on something they know nothing about to make a discussion interesting.

                    1. profile image0
                      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      I see you are still angry and trying to provoke another fight.

                      Anyway, no expertise needed. Just facts from credible sources.

                      Or is the CDC also part of your ongoing conspiracy theory that the entire world is against Trump?

                      Of course you didn't answer my questions (again). Facts and questions seem to scare you quite a bit.

            2. Glenis Rix profile image97
              Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, people could easily tire of social distancing. That is why the UK government is taking a different approach from most of the world - they have taken the psychological and behavioural aspects of the pandemic into consideration, Time will tell if they are right, and the situation is under weekly review. Meanwhile, our Football Premier League has taken matters into its own hands and cancelled all games.

              Of course, once individuals have recovered from infection, they are believed to be no longer carriers - herd immunity is the outcome. Or so the virologists were saying today on tv.p today.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                The UK's stats prove their method is effective. They have taken a common-sense approach educating the people on how to avoid the virus,  without having a meltdown. It's remarkable the UK has only 798 confirmed cases and sadly10 have perished. Here in the states, we thrive on crisis, melting down is an innate characteristic in our society.   The herd immunity is scientific, and ultimately is how a new virus will run its course, the herd builds antibodies, and with a good vaccine, the virus will become history.  And this virus will be no different no matter how panicked we get, in the end this virus will do its dirty work, and in the end, be handled in the most logical way. Herd building up antibodies, and a good shot in the bum.

                1. Glenis Rix profile image97
                  Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Your assessment of the situation here in the UK is inaccurate. Figures are are growing exponentially and expected to peak in 10-12 weeks. There are not enough staff or beds to deal with all of those who might be seriously ill.

                  The government strategy until yesterday was basically to do nothing other than advise us to wash our hands frequently and thoroughly and to sneeze into a tissue (or our sleeve, if we don’t have a tissue available).

                  In his press conference yesterday the PM emphasised the gravity of the situation, The worst case scenario, quoted by official sources, is that eventually 80% of the population could be affected.

                  1. IslandBites profile image87
                    IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    The government strategy until yesterday was basically to do nothing other than advise us to wash our hands frequently and thoroughly and to sneeze into a tissue (or our sleeve, if we don’t have a tissue available).

                    That was Trump strategy too. Oh, that and minimizing the situation.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Are the stats I quoted not correct? I ask because I have been closely following a site that claims they are keeping up to date stats. Today they showed 798 persons on with the virus as of this afternoon I more death which brings the total to 11. It did appear that the UK was starting to decrease in cases. For my misrepresenting the situation. I certainly will take your account that the situation is worsening. Please accept my apology.

                    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

                    1. Glenis Rix profile image97
                      Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      No need to apologise. The figures that you quote were accurate yesterday.  But, as I said, they are growing exponentially. Each person infected by the  coronavirus infects 2-3 other people. The government policy is to try to avoid the peak for as long as possible because our NHS is already overstretched with people who need hospitalisation during the winter months for different illnesses.



                      https://hubstatic.com/14918234_f1024.jpg

                      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        I can only pray this virus succumbs to the weather getting warmer It would help decrease transmission and hopefully give us needed time to create a vaccine.

                2. TessSchlesinger profile image95
                  TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  This is the first empty Starbucks I have ever seen in my life. It is at Camden Market, London and I have never seen it empty before. Oxford street in London is empty.

                  Basically, London has shut down - on its own. People and tourists just aren't coming.



                  https://hubstatic.com/14917954.jpg

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Thanks for sharing, did not at all realize the UK was hit this hard. Many articles are giving the impression that the UK is business as usual. It's wonderful to have social media. Again thanks

                  2. Glenis Rix profile image97
                    Glenis Rixposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I suspect that by the time this is over our high streets and shopping centres will take a long time to recover. Small service and retail businesses can’t survive without customers, despite business rate relief. Plus, it’s hard to see how short haul airlines are going to weather the storm, Day-to-day life may be very different for some years.

                    1. profile image0
                      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      I fear we are heading for something much worse than an economic recession.

                      1. peterstreep profile image81
                        peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        I fear so too, but on the grand scale of things maybe it's not a bad thing. As the world as it is organized today with its consumerism and outsourcing, products flown in from all over the place. Maybe it's not a bad thing to start to do things locally again.

                      2. TessSchlesinger profile image95
                        TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        Time for UBI. And, yes, every country can afford it. They print money, don't they? They just need to divide it differently. With robots and machines in a state of over-production, it's not as if we are short of goods.

                    2. TessSchlesinger profile image95
                      TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      I think it depends how quickly one can stop coronavirus from spreading. It's Saturday afternoon in a pub here. There are 7 people in the pub - one is the main areas. It is normally packed. Nobody here.

                      One things I'm thankful for is that some airlines (Emirates and Ethiopian which I'm on) have waived any change of date flee due to coronavirus, and the hostels here are refunding in full for anyone who leaves early ow withdraws because of coronavirus.

                      That must hurt. I'm impressed because they put honour and decency ahead of profits.

      2. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 13 months ago

        Also, if you knowingly elect anti-government people to government positions, you will get exactly the kind of government you voted for: ineffective.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Yep.

      3. Kenna McHugh profile image91
        Kenna McHughposted 13 months ago

        I agree, Ken. I resist comparing it to historical situations where similar things happened to cultures, religions, and such. With that, it shows how quickly we lose our freedoms based on conditions that appear in peril.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          What freedoms have you lost?

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            So by instituting measures meant to save lives in an emergency, they are taking away your freedom? Okay. Selfish much? Any concern at all for the greater good? You sound like an anti-vaxxer.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              I hope you meant this for Kenna....?

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I did. Please tell us, Kenna.

      4. hard sun profile image82
        hard sunposted 13 months ago

        The Indiana Department of Health put out a story saying no new cases since Thursday. There were nine people tested! They've tested 73 total in Indiana so far..hmm. People are saying they are being turned away from a test because their fever is 102 not 104. Is this efficient healthcare...is this efficient government?

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          And when you elect anti-science idiots this is what you will get. Science is wrong. Hunches and rumor are right.

          1. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Yup. A lot of those in Hoosier land..I didn't vote for them though damnit, lol

        2. profile image0
          promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          The Ohio Department of Health estimates that 100,000 people in the state now carry the virus.

          But it's only an estimate because they don't have enough testing kits.

          https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/ohio- … ronavirus/

        3. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Your comments in this thread seem to show that you have been looking into this. I have not, so this is an honest question: Is that 2-degree difference a definite marker for the virus? Is 104 the threshold, or could a 102-degree also be the virus?

          My general understanding is that fever temps don't gradually rise over time—they rise quickly and spike. So that is why I ask the question.

          I am thinking that if 104 has been medically determined to be the threshold, then not testing at 102 seems to make sense.

          GA

          1. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            From what I've read, GA COVID-19 is usually accompanied by a mild fever. When I called about my illness a couple days ago, I was direct to a COVID-19 triage line. They didn't even ask me how great my fever was. All they asked if I had traveled out of state. That made me low risk. They told me to go to the Doctor if I wanted to and say that I was cleared by them. That didn't worry me, or anger me in anyway. I just assumed that was for the best and/or they were rationing testing kits.

            I'm generally getting second hand information from a professor who is a virologist and just reading CDC, WHO, and IDOH updates.

      5. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 13 months ago

        I'm back from a 7 day forum ban for "bickering" according to Matt. Apparently you can call me a capitalist pig and not be banned, but it's taboo for me to ask someone to prove their claims. lol What a joke !  Thanks to everyone who emailed me wondering where I was. smile

        At any rate, we see what Trump's priorities really are. Not the coronavirus, but his approval ratings are more important.

        1. hard sun profile image82
          hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Ah..we have a serial bickerer. I think the bickering has been missed by some.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks Don, anyone can be charged for bickering on the political forums if I'm any example. Everyone feel free to insult or personally attack me as no one I've ever reported for such have never been banned as far as I can tell. Randy is free game on the forums, but sticks and stones and all that $#it. tongue

            1. hard sun profile image82
              hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Well. That's cause you're a football bat Randy. I should know...that's what a gym teacher used to call me.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                No big deal, I've grown accustomed to it, Don. smile

            2. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Glad you're  back. Let  bickering commence!

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Thanks Sandy, bickering apparently is worse than personal insults according to Matt's thinking. tongue

                1. MizBejabbers profile image89
                  MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Glad you're back, too. I've been so busy draining my own personal swamp and dodging alligators that I didn't realize you were gone. I haven't been spending much time on the forums.
                  Today my husband Larry and I spent 3 hours wasting away in my eye specialist's office. Larry has COPD and started coughing. A nurse came out and handed him a mask. lol

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Thanks Doris, hope Larry is doing well and being careful to stay away from anyone with the virus. And you as well.. smile

                2. profile image0
                  promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Hey, you're a warrior. A little pain comes with the job description.

                  We all did our best to maintain your standards while you were gone. Glad you're back.

            3. TessSchlesinger profile image95
              TessSchlesingerposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Yup. Seems to me that the liberals get banned, but I might be wrong.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Alive and definitely well... Good to see you back.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks Shar, won't be long if Matt has anything to do with it. yikes

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Hey, we have had plenty of back and forths. I can honestly say, you know when to drawback. better than me... I am surprised to hear you were banned. At any rate, I missed you.

        3. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Hey, welcome back, Randy!

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks IB, I'm not the only one who's been given a 7 day ban for the ridiculous "bickering". Matt Wells must want a few days off since he's banning so many people for the same stupid thing. He apparently doesn't realize many of us communicate by email. Or he simply doesn't care about fairness as a moderator. No surprise to anyone who has been here a while.

            I wondered why the forums are so empty compared to normal, but now I understand. If you want some frustration, try getting a straight answer from him. A power trip, no doubt! Sad but true.....

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Huh. Who else is bickering enough to get banned? We can't all be as milquetoast as....well....someone  else. lol

              What's a political forum without bickering? Meaningful intellectual discourse? I never! big_smile

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Indeed, I told him he can pick any forum and claim those commenting are bickering. I think  a new moderator is called for if this BS continues. There's power in numbers as we all know. This is getting out of hand. No one is reporting anyone for these silly infractions, so apparently they're trying to get rid of the forums.

                I suppose I'll need to contact Robin to see what's up, as bad as I hate to bother her. I'll wager she's unaware of Matt's game.

            2. IslandBites profile image87
              IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Wow. I have no idea who's Matt, dont know who are the moderators.

              I got no reasons the two times I was banned.

              Just glad you're back!

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Matt is the head moderator, IB. And yes, getting a reason why one is banned from him is like pulling teeth. You might be interested in joining the HP Writers Union along with many others of us. We need to have a bit of protection from such as this. If you or anyone else is interested, they can contact me via email. It's amazing what power there is in numbers.

                In the meantime, I've contacted Robin with the problem. Hopefully she'll tell him to chill out with the stupid bans, but if not, a writer's strike may get their attention.

      6. hard sun profile image82
        hard sunposted 13 months ago

        I found some more from the Indiana State Health Department Commissioner for those curious:

        She says they can now test well over 100 people (as the CDC just gave them more kits) and have tested 78 people total to date. I think there are now 12 confirmed cases in Indiana.

        https://www.indystar/story/news/health/ … 041002002/

        "For now the state is focusing testing on high-risk patients and health care workers in nursing homes and hospitals, she said. " IDK?

      7. hard sun profile image82
        hard sunposted 13 months ago

        This is from March 6:

        "Vice President MIke Pence said the U.S. did not have enough tests "to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going forward." But the vice president said kits for 1.2 million should be available next week, the BBC reported"
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea … 973697002/

        Well I guess Mike decided Indiana deservers "well over 100" of that 1.2 million number. Where are the kits? I don't know. Maybe someone should ask Mike?

      8. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 13 months ago

        Am I seeing this right?

        Is Trump, that worthless windbag, blaming Obama for the current crisis?

        That man is a total waste of flesh.

        1. hard sun profile image82
          hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Oh wow. I went to Twitter cause that's where we get news from our President now you know. Yep. He's blaming Obama...nothing to do with the fact that the Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. Nothing to do with the big testing kit blunder by the CDC, headed by Trump's guy. We need to hold an emergency Presidential vote.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this



            Yeah, that's the ticket.

            All-righty everyone, pandemic in full swing, lets get out there and vote, lets just move up the election to next week, the States won't have any problems setting it up, they can set up the voting machines at the hospitals... you can be treated for Corona while there, or maybe you can be treated to it, so you don't miss out on the pandemic experience.

            1. hard sun profile image82
              hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              You took that seriously?

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I don't think he blamed Obama, I think he blamed the CDC. And claimed Obama did a poor job combating H1N1. At any rate, he was being unfair. Obama did his best in a horrible situation, and I believe Trump is doing the same.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            So why is he trying to to cut the CDC funding again in his latest budget proposal?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Ok, this is what I have been able to ascertain from the Houses hearing on the proposed budget cuts to CDC.

              Acting Director of the Office of Management and Budget Russ Vought gave a statement in a White House briefing that the headlines that were circulating in regards to the budget cuts to CDC were untrue. He said savings were made through trimming waste and unnecessary programs rather than cutting anything that was in any way connected to fighting infectious disease. He said the CDC would be getting a 3% increase to Infectious disease fighting. 

              He stated the cuts were proposed for --“Things like climate change research, things like occupational health research, that is not going to go away but is something that we do not need to jump-start. Instead, the CDC’s work on infectious diseases and preparedness saw a bump in funding by 3% to $4.317 billion for 2021, he said."

              “It is not true that we have cut CDC’s infectious disease-fighting” capability."

              It appears that the cuts to the CDC were misrepresented by the media.

              https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4868 … s-outbreak

              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … s-diseases

      9. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 13 months ago

        Matt must have banned lots of forum posters if the lack of new forum posts are any indication. I know several others who've emailed me with a similar ban for the crappy made up "bickering" charge. Something is definitely up with this BS.

        I'll try to get a real answer from Robin as to what the deal is. Hopefully she's not part of it as she seems fair minded and always has been. I can't say this about others on the staff though.

      10. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

        Italy recorded 3,590 cases and 398 deaths in a 24 hour period, Italy’s Civil Protection chief Angelo Borelli announced Sunday, The Associated Press reported. In total, the country has confirmed more than 24,700 cases and more than 1,800 deaths.

        Iran's health ministry reported +1,209 new cases and another 113 deaths, bringing the country's total death toll to 724 with nearly 14,000 confirmed cases. It was the biggest single-day jump in fatalities since the virus was first reported in the country.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          The Italian population is the oldest in Europe, with about 23 percent of the inhabitants age 65 or older — and with a median age of 47.3, compared with 38.3 in the US, according to Live Science, which cited the New York Times.

          Many of those who have died in Italy were in their 80s and 90s, a segment of the population that is more susceptible to the ravages of COVID-19.

          https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/346 … ost4126871

          Coronavirus Cases calculated from all countries
          169,673 Deaths: 6,518 around the world

          New cases reported in the past 24 hours world wide 255
          This is a promising sign the virus is subsiding in some countries.   

          Here in USA  3,782  reported case, 102    new cases, and 69 deaths
          New cases were up over the last 24 hours.

          I have added a link to a site that is keeping good stats on the virus.
          https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

          1. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I am just amazed that during the H1N1 flue pandemic nothing shut down.  A national emergency was not declared until over 1,000 people had died from it.

            According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image90
              Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              This is about more than Corona, this is about a transfer of power and wealth,  this is about an economic downturn and about population control.

              As I stated before the vehicle in which this was going to occur was unknown, but the timing was set years ago. The Bank of International Settlements in its reports stated that the U.S. Markets would be the safe haven for the world until this time.

              Now our markets will falter, turning sharply negative, and China and the EU will stabilize, the global economy going forward will eventually be beholden to China as they are the industrial nation keeping the world chugging along, America forfeited that position over to them during the past 30 years or so.

              This transition can be seen in current reports coming out now.

              https://finance.yahoo.com/news/morgan-s … 15915.html

              https://finance.yahoo.com/news/few-u-sh … 40382.html

              https://finance.yahoo.com/news/column-s … 55617.html

              For those who do not know it, the dollar is not backed by gold, or by anything of value, other than a deal struck with Saudi Arabia to standardize oil prices in dollar terms, back in the 70s. Through this deal, the petrodollar was born, and its value became reliant (to a large degree) on the price/value of oil.

              With the collapse of oil prices, and the major disruption to supplies due to China's "pandemic crisis" the global economic system is ripe for a break down and reconfiguration away from the Dollar to some other form of currency.

              This is likely going to happen soon.

              1. peterstreep profile image81
                peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I think I'm with you Ken.
                For a long time, a crisis was predicted around 2020. The blame is now on the coronavirus. But without the virus, there would also be financial collapse.
                The true victims of the coronavirus are not the couple of thousand people dying directly because of the virus. But the thousands, millions who are going to suffer the financial crisis that lays ahead the next years.
                With or without a virus, independent of the president of the US, China would have taken over the world power order.
                An interesting book to read is : Why the West rules....for now. By Ian Morris. Which predicts China to become a superpower in the next 50 years. Based upon historical and even archeological reasoning. Looking at civilizations over a 200.000 years time span and you can predict what will happen in the future (independent of politics)

                The coronavirus is definitely used as a vehicle to go for the disaster capitalism playbook.
                Shock and Awe. Paralyze the people and as a government, you can introduce laws people normally would not accept. This was done just after 9-11 and will be done again in the coming months. In the end, benefiting the powers that be.

          2. IslandBites profile image87
            IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            New cases reported in the past 24 hours world wide 255
            This is a promising sign the virus is subsiding in some countries. 


            Huh? I think you're reading the wrong numbers.

            But yes, it is. And it mainly has to do with the strong actions those countries have taken to contain it. Also the high number of people tested.

      11. hard sun profile image82
        hard sunposted 13 months ago

        I'm in survival mode. My already small 401k is tanking. My main job is reliant upon people buying things other than vacations...going on cruises, staying in hotels, buying tv's etc. That's not happening. Parents who work outside of the home and have no other good childcare options are taking kids to a skating rink in our small city. I wish you all the best and hope this is not too long lived.

        1. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Sorry. Lets hope it gets under control soon. We're going to be home for the next two weeks, so we're trying to relax and stay calm.

          This is my morning now and for the rest of the month



          https://hubstatic.com/14921072_f1024.jpg

          1. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Looks cozy! I bet some fun will be had.  We are hoping for the best and getting prepared for the worst (not hoarding TP, lol) especially with finances. I'm thinking if there is a "worst" it wouldn't last too long. It's good that kids can be kept busy with their e-learning also.

            1. IslandBites profile image87
              IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              It's good that you're getting prepared.

              Here we can't find TP, no mask, rubbing alcohol, sanitizer, disinfecting wipes or spray, no cough syrup, etc.. even rice is hard to find now!

              Yeah, they're having fun all day for now. But we're going to start some homeschooling in the next days while we're stuck at home.

              1. hard sun profile image82
                hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Dang..some people definitely went overboard with buying up the store. I don't know why people think they need to buy so much sanitizer for one house. We were lucky on that as just bought our monthly allotment of cleaning products several days before the rush.

                I'm lucky in that I work from home. I just need more work. I'm ramping up writing efforts and other gig work so it should be enough to whether the slow economy.

                1. IslandBites profile image87
                  IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Well, sanitizers were gone more than two weeks ago, when people were still going to work and kids going to school. I supposed that's why. But you're right. It's not necessary at home, so Im relieve we're in lockdown.

                  Im glad you can work from home. I wish you good luck!

      12. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

        This should be the lead in the national news.

        More than 60K people have recovered from coronavirus

        SEATTLE (AP) — Amid all the fears, quarantines and stockpiling of food, it has been easy to ignore the fact that more than 60,000 people have recovered from the coronavirus spreading around the globe.
        The disease can cause varying degrees of illness and is especially troublesome for older adults and people with existing health problems, who are at risk of severe effects, including pneumonia. But for most of those affected, coronavirus creates only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough, with the vast majority recovering from the virus.
        According to the World Health Organization, people with mild illness recover in about two weeks, while those with more severe ailments may take three to six weeks to rebound. In mainland China, where the virus first exploded, more than 80,000 people have been diagnosed, but more than 58,000 already have recovered.

        https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavir … VvmKCgj_kc

        1. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          In fact, it is almost 78k out of 175,988 now.

          1. hard sun profile image82
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I had a decent fever for two weeks. Never went over 100.1 and hovered around 99.5 mostly. I feel like I'm finally getting over it. I don't go anywhere besides my yard.  Whatever it was.

            The severity of the illness isn't the issue for most people. A death rate of even 2 or three percent, with more severe cases of about 5 percent will likely overwhelm our health system. I think most understand this.It is good that China is recovering, I think it took some time being quarantined for that to happen though. That's the concern. Some people just buy three months worth of food and essential when a couple weeks is probably sufficient. I think even in Italy, they let people go to the grocery stores at least once a week.

            1. IslandBites profile image87
              IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              I had a fever for 4 days, my little one too, just like yours. We're all home (except hubby that went to work Friday) since Thursday, just in case. But here, Coronavirus cases are low for now, so I was not that worried. Today we're both fine.

              I agree, most people know about the recovery rate. The concern is for the 3.4 mortality rate. Some people dont cae about others until it happens to them.

              Here we are under lockdown and curfew, but we still can go to the grocery stores. Obviously, there are safety measures at the stores. Im lucky that I can order online and get groceries delivered.

              1. hard sun profile image82
                hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I think if most Americans have this attitude we can at least minimize the severe health consequences for those that are at high risk.

                Cases are low right where I'm at too..at least that we know of. A lot of sickness though, but the flu is also making the rounds. The head of our county health dept said he had patients about two weeks ago now that tested negative for both A and B flu. He told them to self quarantine and just assume they had COVID-19. I better get to work. Best to you and yours as well.

              2. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Where are you getting your 3.4 mortality rate?  First I heard it was around 5, then 2-3, then 2 and finally 1.  Of course none of those include the people that had it and got well without ever reporting it.  Or for the figures governments are fudging or simply not reporting (zero cases in Russia, last I saw).

                1. profile image0
                  promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  "Heard" from where? Only Trump and right-wing media have been spreading phony numbers about the death rate.

                  The WHO, Johns Hopkins and governments worldwide have been tracking the death rate and reporting it to the public for months.

                  It was 3.4% and has risen to 3.9%. Even simple-minded folks can figure it out. Divide the deaths by total infections.

                  https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar … 7b48e9ecf6

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                    Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, even simple minded people can figure out that since not everyone that has it is reporting it, or knows what they have, since not all people are affected the same way... that death rate is based on KNOWN cases.

                    And those cases are the severe cases which seek hospitalization.

                    So know, we don't know what the death rate really is, and we don't have the ability to test people for it unless they already have severe symptoms, in many places, and in most nations.

                    The nation doing the most testing is South Korea.  South Korea has tested more than 140,000 people for the new coronavirus and confirmed more than 6,000 cases. Its fatality rate is around 0.6%. This suggests that, as many health experts have predicted, the virus' fatality rate seems to decrease as more cases are reported. That's because more widespread testing leads more mild cases to be included in the count.

                    1. IslandBites profile image87
                      IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      since not everyone that has it is reporting it, or knows what they have, since not all people are affected the same way... that death rate is based on KNOWN cases.

                      And that's the case with most viruses.

                      And yes, it is true that the more cases you confirm, the better you can calculate a mortality rate. But, the main reason those countries that tested more have a lower mortality rate is because the more you test, the more you can identify and control the spread.

                      Most countries dont have the ability to test most of their populations, but they sure have the ability to test more than some of them are doing. US is doing a really poor job on that front.

                      1. profile image0
                        promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        Well said. Logical and factual. Also falling on deaf ears.

                    2. profile image0
                      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      Both the death rate and infection rate are based on KNOWN cases. Some people are dying from "pneumonia" even though they had coronavirus but weren't tested for it.

                      Instead of making wild guesses based on simple-minded political propaganda, some of us defer to actual medical experts like the ones at Johns Hopkins.

                      If Johns Hopkins is wrong and you are right, then prove it.

                      1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                        Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        That wasn't a wild guess... so let me state some COMMON SENSE FACTS for you, again.

                        South Korea has tested more than 140,000 people for the new coronavirus and confirmed more than 6,000 cases. Its fatality rate is around 0.6%. This suggests that, as many health experts have predicted, the virus' fatality rate seems to decrease as more cases are reported. That's because more widespread testing leads more mild cases to be included in the count.

                        South Korea has tested 780 TIMES more of its population average than the U.S. or almost any other nation.

                        So South Korea is the CLOSEST thing to a viable percentage ratio compared to who actually has the virus.

                        Your numbers, are worthless regardless of who is providing them,because they are only taking into account those that are reported and known to have had the virus... which in total is probably less than 10% of the people who have had it, or carry it, considering how little testing has been done, and how recently.

                        Only South Korea has done anything resembling substantial testing of a large enough portion of its population to be worth considering.

                        But keep fear mongering, if that is what makes you happy.

                2. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this
      13. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 13 months ago

        In South Korea, the death rate for patients 60 and older from COVID-19 is 3.4% and is overall still quite a bit higher than the flu. So probably still worth taking it seriously, wouldn't you say?

        1. profile image0
          promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          It's 1,700 times higher than the flu. I agree that's quite a bit higher.  smile

      14. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

        Actually the 3.9 percent fatality rate is for China.  When China is taken out of the mix, it is 3.5 percent for the world.


        Case fatality rate globally = 3.7%
        [based on 153,523 confirmed cases and 5736 deaths]
        Case fatality rate in China: 3.9%
        [based on 81,038 confirmed cases and 3204 deaths]
        Case fatality rate for the rest of the world: 3.5%
        [based on 72,475 confirmed and 2532 deaths]

        Other flu pandemics were worse.

        As comparisons, the table shows the case fatality rates for other disease outbreaks. The CFR of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV were high: 10% and 34%, respectively.41

        https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus


        Here is the statistics for the United States.

        Coronavirus Cases:
        4,349
        Deaths:
        77
        Recovered:
        73

        https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


        NOW the fatality rate is determined by dividing the number of deaths by the number of those infected with the disease.

        77 divided by 4349 is 1.8 percent.

        THAT is the mortality rate in the United States as of March  2020

        1. Ken Burgess profile image90
          Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          This is wrong "NOW the fatality rate is determined by dividing the number of deaths by the number of those infected with the disease."

          Simply put, there is no way of knowing who has it, because they are doing almost no testing for it in America... so how many DETECTED cases are what the numbers represent.

          https://www.businessinsider.com/south-k … ate-2020-3

          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51836898

          South Korea is about the only country doing real and substantive testing, and their numbers are 0.6% percent. 

          The WHO and others who are spreading this misperception that you have almost a 4% chance of dying from it are doing the world a disservice... they are creating a panic that will have potentially catastrophic results on the global economy and millions of jobs.

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Ken, you may be right. The one caveat is the overall health of our nation. If the Coronavirus is only six times more deadly than the flu, might the numbers in the U.S. be higher than that due to obesity, for instance? If that ended up making the death rate say 1.2%, is that acceptable?

            1. Ken Burgess profile image90
              Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Cardiovascular disease (CVD) remains the leading cause of death in the United States, responsible for 840,768 deaths (635,260 cardiac) in 2016.

              Is that acceptable?

              The obesity of Americans which you discuss is directly related to our fast food diets and propensity for smoking.

              Are you outraged or expectant that our government and will step in and try and counter the Fast Food and Tobacco industries?

              Did you know that almost everything that is served by McDonalds (and others like it) is subsidized by the U.S. Government, the cheese, the beef, the potatoes, etc.  GMOs, Preservatives, all the worst things that can be in foods are used excessively in their products.

              The Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics—2019 Update from the American Heart Association indicates that: 116.4 million, or 46% of US adults are estimated to have hypertension.

              Are we shutting down the Burger Kings and McDonalds in America because they are a leading contributor to poor health and Heart Disease deaths in America?

              So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020.

              Are we shutting down the nation over the Flu?

              Are 12,000 deaths (or more) acceptable?

              This has been going on for 100 years, why is it allowed?

              Let us say Corona is 6 times that bad, that could lead to 72,000 deaths, of which the majority will be the elderly and those who are smokers and/or have lung related health issues.

              That is a far cry from the more than 840,000 people who died from Heart Disease last year.

              But the country never stopped functioning... not for Heart Attacks & Strokes, and not for the Flu.

              Caution and precautions are a good thing, I'm just not sure this warrants such extremes as we are heading into, with society shutting down and people being stirred to a panic.

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Ken,

                So you're a Bernie supporter? (you seem to be saying our healthcare system is broken - sort of) Look, Ken, I suspect you and I are more alike than not because the things you cite above are all things I agree with. I don't eat fast food. I exercise regularly. I think fat people should pay a hell of a lot more for health insurance and it pisses me off that I have to subsidize them with my insurance payments.

                All the stuff you're citing is why our population is vulnerable, making my point.

                Unfortunately, while your math on South Korea is right, you're demonstrating how misinformation is spread on the internet. You're using a .6% death rate figure out of context.

                South Korea has the highest testing rate per capita of any country. The testing itself lowers the death rate by identifying the serious cases and removing them from the population and the mild cases and having them self-isolate. You're completely ignoring that little fact. The U.S. has the worst testing rate. That is a gigantic variable.

                The populations are also different. Another important variable.

                And your math on the deaths is wrong.

                We have 327 million people in this country. Because of the lack of testing and the delayed response, virtually everyone in the country is likely to get this if we don't put in preventative measures.

                In your scenario, where we just all relax, at .6%, that's almost 2 million dead. And that's with the conservative death rate that's likely wrong.

                I'm not saying you might not be correct, but how are you willing to take that chance and find out you're not?

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                  promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  South Korea's death rate also is low because women and people under 40 make up the majority of infections. Coronavirus kills men in higher numbers than women.

                  More than 60 percent of its cases are linked to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, which has a large number of women and young people.

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Promisem, I think it's primarily their amazing testing program that lowered the death rate.

                    Comparing South Korea to Italy is very instructive. Our current infection pattern is following Italy, not South Korea.

                    So while I respect Ken's intellect and his math skills (except his very wrong death rate number), he's downplaying the virus based on a comparison that's not accurate.

                    Ken may even be correct - we're overreacting. However, most scientists think he's wrong. If he's right, that's great. If he's wrong, and we follow that sort of guidance, there will be nothing we can do to stop a catastrophe once we realize that, whoops, Ken was wrong.

                    1. profile image0
                      promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      Crank, I suggest you do some research on the demographics of deaths and infections in each country. They are apples and oranges. There is no one answer.

                      1. crankalicious profile image93
                        crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        I'm aware. Ken is taking the most optimistic case and using it as his basis for his conclusion. But if you take Italy, you can't come to the same conclusion.

                        In a time of crisis, this is the big negative of the internet. Do you take the advice of experts or the advice of random people on chat boards?

                        A shocking number of people prefer what they get on the chat boards and/or forums.

                2. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  "In your scenario, where we just all relax, at .6%, that's almost 2 million dead. And that's with the conservative death rate that's likely wrong."

                  Your math is a little skewed (by perhaps 90%?).  You are assuming that we have 327 million people at risk of not only getting the disease but also from dying from it.  As the deaths all seem to be coming from the elderly and those with lung problems already that figure is grossly inflated.

                  Pure guesswork, but I'd probably put the death rate at even less than 0.6%, with the reason being that I don't believe we're counting a very large number of people that got the disease and never reported it.

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Again, you could be right. But the most conservative death rate is .6%. The death rate for the elderly in South Korea is 3.4%. According to most projections due to our lack of preparedness, virtually everyone in the U.S. will get the virus.

                    Sure, I could be wrong. But I'm using the lowest death rate across all social groups as an example. I certainly hope I'm wrong, but that's why medical experts are recommending we flatten the curve now.

          2. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I suppose then there is no way of knowing who has had the disease and recovered from it.  Most cases of it are mild and many people have tested positive, had no symptoms and then had negative tests.  It is a difficult thing to calculate.

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              So it's mild for most and we should ignore it? Calm down? Live our lives as normal?

              1. Readmikenow profile image97
                Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I think everyone should calm down.  It has a 97 percent recovery rate.  The world has faced worse pandemics with little or no interruption to daily life.  H1N1 was worse and lasted over a year.  Nothing closed down.  So, why is it done now?  Majority of cases are mild, most recover from them. I think the reaction is way over the top considering how previous pandemics came and went with little or no change to daily life.

                1. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Under your scenario, everyone in the U.S. will get it and the health system would be overwhelmed. What they're trying to do is slow it down so the health system doesn't collapse.

                  And what if you're wrong, given you're contradicting most of the medical experts? Who takes a chance like that? Even at the most conservative death rate estimate, you could have 2 million people dead.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image97
                    Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I still look at history and don't know why previous pandemics didn't overwhelm the health system. I know with H1N1 there were massive deaths around the world.  Here is info from the CDC.

                    "It is estimated that 0.001 percent to 0.007 percent of the world’s population died of respiratory complications associated with (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first 12 months the virus circulated."

                    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour … demic.html

                    I know, the argument I get when I mention this is "We don't want such a thing to happen again, now do we?"

                    So, I still don't understand the shut down of businesses, but, it is what it is and I have to deal with it.

                    1. crankalicious profile image93
                      crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      I think it's a legitimate question. But if you look at Italy, I think we'd rather not be Italy. I think there's no chance we can be South Korea due to their testing per capita.

                    2. Ken Burgess profile image90
                      Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      The problem is not the virus.

                      The problem will be all the people not working, and not having money to pay their bills.

                      The supply chain is already overwhelmed, just go to any large foodstore anywhere in America, the shelves are emptying across the nation, they are only able to supply what comes off the trucks on delivery... and those trucks will have less and less to deliver, the likes of Campbells Soup and Borden's Butter can only produce so much, so fast.

                      China will start hoarding its medical supplies and pharmaceuticals, cutting off America.  Almost all items necessary for daily survival are currently produced in foreign lands, much of our food, drugs, and technology is imported.

                      We are creeping towards very dangerous times where without Martial Law our Nation may not survive... this is what happens when you outsource everything and have almost no ability to produce what you need within your country's borders.

                      1. crankalicious profile image93
                        crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        Ken, what's your solution? Your assertion that the virus isn't the problem sounds ridiculous. Do you see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario? The problems from a crushed healthcare systems seems pretty big.

      15. profile image0
        Onusonusposted 13 months ago

        Media is beginning to compare the corona virus to the Spanish flu of 1918 that killed over 50 million people. Spreading fear and panic over a mild illness. Meanwhile the government is usurping as much power from it's citizens as possible.

        Don't look to an inept government bureaucracy to solve problems. Wash your hands, cough into your sleeve, stay hydrated, and turn off your television.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          If you're otherwise healthy, you probably don't have much to worry about. But if you go about your daily life, you're likely to infect those that aren't healthy and put them at grave risk. Our citizens aren't exactly the most healthy overall. I guess if you're fat, sucks to be you.

          1. profile image0
            Onusonusposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Liberals are usually into population control, is a plague not a proper death sentence or is killing the unborn the only acceptable method?

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Doesn’t even make any sense. Stick to memes. Abortion bad. I get it. Your overall understanding of social dynamics is desperately simplistic.

              1. profile image0
                Onusonusposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Typical non answer. I'll assume the standard protocol is whatever enables the government to intervene in the lives of citizens.

                1. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Why should I engage? Your solution to the current problem is to let everyone do what they want and let the chips fall where they may because all those liberal scientists are out to get us.

                  1. profile image0
                    Onusonusposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    You already did engage. And yes, I'd rather see the chips fall where they may for a disease that has a 97% survival rate than give the government unlimited power.

                    1. crankalicious profile image93
                      crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      According to your math, you're okay with 9 million dead people.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image90
          Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          The Spanish Flu of 1918 was terrifying, but it largely occurred due to the deplorable living conditions for most people at that time.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDY5COg2P2c

          The above is a well done review of how the 1918 pandemic went, other than a couple misplaced (wrong World War) pics it gives great visuals as to why it was so bad.

          Outhouses, no running water, people living in stark barracks overfull, hospitals with patients literally on top of one another, dirt streets, horses for transportation... it was another world, so different from our own it might as well have been the Dark Ages and the Black Plague.

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Ken, you live in Florida. Seen the reports on the mass of spring-breakers flooding the beaches?

            That raises a bunch of interesting questions. Like why am I staying home in near isolation if all these people are just going to go party?

      16. TessSchlesinger profile image95
        TessSchlesingerposted 13 months ago

        I guess capitalism is working just fine in this situation.

        All the sovereign individuals find that they can manage everything perfectly on their own. No need for help from the State.

        Business can solve all the problems. Business is good. The market will correct itself.

        Have fun, everybody.

        Live long, and prosper.

      17. profile image0
        Onusonusposted 13 months ago

        https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/90179104_1356227431249955_6531854274563932160_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=eWgAp6noS38AX8BAqE0&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=98038959ab5c8113625aaa10a48f7499&oe=5E96A921

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this
          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Randy, notice anything? I"m seeing clearly how, with some, everything is a conspiracy. I don't know how you live being that paranoid all the time, but the opinions are quite clear: this virus is nothing more than a liberal plot to begin a police state.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Indeed, check out LTL's claim above...

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Randy, I guess I didn't quite understand before, but what you have here are paranoid people, afraid of anything government does, and concluding that anything that happens in the world they don't like is some grand conspiracy. Given that, I don't think it's productive to argue with them anymore. These are the people who believe Pizzagate and believe Sandy Hook was faked and believe climate change is something the scientists made up. No matter how occasionally sane some of their prose and sentence construction may appear, they are not well and they live in fear and paranoia. They are afraid, all the time, that the government is coming to take their guns.

              2. Live to Learn profile image77
                Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                What conspiracy? Are you guys redefining another word?

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I didn't use the word "conspiracy" anywhere, LTL.

                2. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  You should change your handle to "gaslighter".

                  Conspiracy in the virus being a conspiracy by the Chinese or the U.S. government to enact a police state. The theory has been thrown around by a number of people that overreaction to the virus is exactly what the government has needed to take our freedoms away.

          2. profile image0
            Onusonusposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Shocker, Liberals calling people racist.
            You sure you want to bicker with me Randy, I saw you whining about getting banned for two days straight. Hilarious!

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Not much bickering with silly memes as are your ordinary posts, Joey. How can you tell I'm whining, Joey? I'm simply standing up for others as well as myself, something you probably have never tried before.

      18. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

        This is too true!


        https://hubstatic.com/14924543.jpg

      19. Live to Learn profile image77
        Live to Learnposted 13 months ago

        Has anyone noticed Bernie Sanders and the GOP are the only people in power trying to help the average American right now? Therest of the democrats are protecting corporations and turning their backs on the populace.

        Pay attention people.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          "The rest of the democrats are protecting corporations and turning their backs on the populace."

          Got a link for this claim, LTL? It's the first I've heard of this. Or are you "trumping" it again? Ever hear of Andrew Cuomo?

          1. Live to Learn profile image77
            Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Talking about Washington democrats. Cuomo is a governor doing a fine job of trying to react in the best interest of his citizens.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Some examples of those "turning their backs"would be nice....

        2. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Now you're a proponent of welfare?

      20. profile image0
        Onusonusposted 13 months ago

        On the bright side my kids are now being taught by Youtube, Science by Bill Nye, Physics by Neil Tyson, Economics by Ron Swanson, Skip social studies (useless), PE by Tony Horton.
        The schools did however, do me the favor of stealing my money and packaged lunches for the kids and redistributed it at twice the price.

      21. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

        February 26 - There were 15 confirmed coronavirus cases in US. No deaths.

        Only 3 weeks later...

        March 18 - There are 8,000+ confirmed cases. 120+ deaths.

      22. profile image0
        Onusonusposted 13 months ago

        https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90016816_3108792632493278_8447076656815800320_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=eWFHgFGp2GwAX8ERt64&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=267be9a121a163e520d50ba62ab3d589&oe=5E972071

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Oh hell, Onusonus. Even knowing that is fake, it is still cute. Sorry to hear about your recent banning. (?)

          GA

          1. profile image0
            Onusonusposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I wasn't banned.

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              My mistake. I thought I read that you were.

              GA

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I thought I did too, Gus.  At least someone emailed me he was banned along with two more "bickerers."

        2. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          lol And the inanity continues.....

      23. Valeant profile image84
        Valeantposted 13 months ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14925054.png

        1. profile image0
          Onusonusposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Just taking back the money the government stole from me.

        2. Live to Learn profile image77
          Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          A check to accomplish quite a few things. Help those who've spent money they did not have budgeted for emergency supplies, stimulate the economy, give a small (and admittedly short lived) sense of security to those frightened by the immediate future and drive home to the individual that the individual is at the forefront of the priorities of those in charge during this multi faceted crisis and (very important) allow those who are consistently negative at every juncture to drive home the fact that they would rather be part of the problem than part of the solution...that they'd rather complain than look for the positive.

          Quite the bargain, when you think about it.

          1. profile image0
            Onusonusposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            It's going towards my next AR-15 fund.

          2. Valeant profile image84
            Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            My e-sarcastic response to the ridiculous post by Onus clearly passed you by.  Glad you chose to let his slide by though.

            1. Live to Learn profile image77
              Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              E-sarcastic. You guys come up with so many new words its hard to keep up. But, I'm glad it was sarcasm.

              The American people, in my opinion, are the greatest reason to support deficit spending and socialist moments, when it is warranted and this crisis makes it definitely warranted.

              We are all frightened, no matter what face we put on it. I appreciate all of the efforts being taken. Watching any other country's leadership and their press conferences helps me see this administration, at this critical moment, is doing the best of what I need to see being done.

              1. Valeant profile image84
                Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Now they are...dismissing the severity of it for the first three months of the threat will not be forgotten when it's time to vote.

                But I agree with your thought about finding a candidate who neither promotes programs we cannot afford or spends when we do not have the money to spend.  For all his faults, you had to appreciate Bill Clinton for actually running a surplus.

                1. Live to Learn profile image77
                  Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I interpret the first of this differently from you. I saw a president attempting to allay fears and give a sense of security. I don't begrudge that moment.

            2. Valeant profile image84
              Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              The only miss here is that Congress controls the purse strings, not the President.

              https://hubstatic.com/14925925.jpg

       
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