Why is Everyone So Worked Up Over the Coronavirus?
Trump finally implements DPA after approving it 12 days ago. What was he waiting for?
Thanks Randy... You stay well, follow all the precautions, they really do help.
I have no problem with isolation, Shar. In fact, I prefer it. My wife and I live 5 miles from any sort of commercial establishment with very few neighbors, and none we aren't related to. We have a several hundred acre farm with cattle and a full pantry and freezer.
We're ready for the zombie attack.
That sounds like paradise, Randy. My son in Texas lives out like that. He has 30 acres with a creek in the middle a few miles from Tyler. If they got too hungry, they could kill one of the wild hogs they have to watch out for. If things get too bad, I guess we could go live down there, except that my husband doesn't like Texas. But they are living in a tiny house while they build their house. But I guess we could buy a mobile home or a camper trailer and get blown away. Even that would be better than dying from the coronavirus.
That explains a lot.
Its easy to support the elites perspectives when you are detached from the working-middle-class Americans, you don't have to contend with interacting with countless people daily, traffic, noisy neighbors, homeless on the street corners, you are as free from those realities as the elites in Congress... detached from the daily grind.Seriously, Ken. Who do you think you are? You judge the entirety of his life experience by the fact that he lives a little off the beaten path. Makes me wonder how someone who grew up in such a liberal area like Cape Cod could turn into such a conservative.
It's not as if I don't get out in the world, Ken. I"m no elitist by any stretch of your imagination. I do enjoy the lack of traffic and noisy neighbors though. As well as the daily grind, as you put it.Ken, Hey Randy was sharing. I think we could all do a bit of that with all the problems this crisis is causing. It has upended many of us. Hey, how about you share what's going on with you while you are in lockdown. I mean we will have plenty of time to fight on another day. You and your loved ones stay safe and well...
As you are so kind to defend one who is so quick to be harsh towards others, I will defer to your sensibility.
I have two young teens at home, my wife is a RN who will be working in a COVID-19 wing, and I am a Security Supervisor for a place that is all too busy, and has too many people continually coming through from all over the world (not an airport).
I will be in the thick of what is to come in the near future, as I was for 9/11, as will my wife, I can't say I'm overly thrilled for it.
Thank you for the well wishes, to you and yours as well.Thanks Shar, but I don't pay Ken much attention. My daughter is an RN and my grandson in Atlanta has a wife who's a nurse as well. They are both working their butts off during this crisis and I worry very much about their welfare.
Simply because I'm relatively safe from the epidemic doesn't mean I don't worry about anyone. We all will be affected by this virus in some manner.Seriously, best of luck to all and especially those in healthcare.
I think we should all take a step back, and realize we are all on edge, vulnerable due to this virus. It would not hurt to be a bit kinder to each other. I can imagine the worry our wife and you n=must be under having two nurses in the field. Yes, we are all affected by this virus. Some will have to endure the death of loved ones. Some will be economically destroyed. Some will be psychologically destroyed. Our country will see the destruction for some time to come. A will the world.
I will pray for you and yours. ( praying gives me comfort).Thanks for your prayers although I'm not religious. Good thoughts are always welcome in any case. Hope we all come through unscathed by this terrible virus.
Oh, Randy, I have to laugh... I figured you most likely were not too religious. I will keep good thoughts. But, I am sending some prayers your way, just in case.
Okay, but I have my prayerblocker on!
I have to around here with most of my relatives being Southern Baptists of some sort or another.Lol, I try to accept prayers gracefully even though I am an atheist. They can't hurt me and it apparently makes them feel better, which is all good. :-)
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Sometimes it can be irritating though. One of my aunts told me she was praying for me so all of our family could be in heaven together forever.
I replied, "Aunt Helen, the idea of me spending eternity with all of my relatives is not my idea of heaven."
Not being cruel, but she was one busybody who pissed everyone off eventually.That is a hoot, Randy. There have been times where I have considered taking my chances with virus outside than stay at home and have relatives get on my nerves.
Amen... They got you covered. Got to love the Baptist.
This is wonderful, one less friend I will have to worry about... You're a lucky stiff Randy.
You know what Randy I see a bit of sharing going on here... I like this.I realize I'm lucky, Shar. I share my land and wilderness with my friends as they love to hunt, fish, and camp on our land. We all need to get through this virus as best we can.
The missing weeks: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … h-disaster
Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the faces of the Trump administration's coronavirus task force, on Sunday warned that the novel coronavirus could infect millions of people in the United States and account for more than 100,000 deaths.
Speaking on CNN's "State of the Union," Fauci said that, based on what he's seeing, the U.S. could experience between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from Covid-19.
"We're going to have millions of cases," Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, noting that projections are subject to change, given that the disease's outbreak is "such a moving target."11 to 100,000, what went wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_arjED6ohgWhile I agree with this cartoon, I think the question boils down to this: who do you trust to deal with the coronavirus, those who trust science and scientists or those who don't?
Who do you trust, politicians more interested in their personal power or a man that makes mistakes but tries to do best for everyone?
I don't trust anyone who lies incessantly .
Some don't believe he lies, Sandy. He simply "exaggerates" all of the time.
Hmm. That would be every politician in Washington. And most of those stuck in state congress as well.
If you say it, it must be tue, no matter the level of exaggeration. Who does that remind you of?
Do you disagree? Do know politicians that never lie (exaggerate, spin, intentionally give wrong impressions, etc.)? Or do you share my opinion that politicians make their living telling lies to the rest of us? Can you possibly listen to a politician on the stump and believe that they truly intend to follow through on all their promises? Even the Great Obama admitted he had no intention of passing the ACA; that we would have to elect him again to get that promise.
"Do know politicians that never lie (exaggerate, spin, intentionally give wrong impressions, etc.)? "
Not to the extent Donald does. Give me an example of a comparable liar in DC. It should be a piece of cake as there are so many according to you.Now, you're doing what you often do, sliding the bar away from your original statement,
I said: "I don't trust anyone who lies incessantly ."
You replied: "Hmm. That would be every politician in Washington. And most of those stuck in state congress as well."
Now, you've changed it to: "Do know politicians that never lie (exaggerate, spin, intentionally give wrong impressions, etc.)? "
This is why it's a waste of time to talk with you. When caught, you attempt to slither away by changing the bar.
Not interested.I'm still waiting on Dan to give a comparable liar to Trump, Sandy. I'll be waiting a long time I'll wager.
It gets really old. They try to say Trump is no different from the typical politician. Of course, when it suits them, he is not a typical politician because he tells it like it is.
It's so damned irrational and obvious. Ugh.Irrational and obvious is a Trump enabler's MO, Sandy. More's the pity...
Pick a politician near the top. Any of them.
Okay, let's fact check her compared to the Donald. He has a 15,000+ lead at this point.
You do that. You can start with asking yourself if her impeachment efforts were politically based or, as she said, she actually believed that producing a handful of opinionated people with an axe to grind was sufficient to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump was guilty.
How gullible are you, in other words?So she impeached Trump for nothing but political gain? What axe to grind did the witnesses have against Trump? They were hired to give their opinions, but you don't like it because they were honest. Trumpers hate that!
You made the statement.. You prove that Pelosi lles as much as Trump.
Or is this just like when you said she is corrupt and ignored me when I asked for evidence?Its a futile effort, anyone who believes anything from the likes of CNN and MSNBC is a lost cause, they are in an alternate reality.
Trump in January "Trump Administration Restricts Entry Into U.S. From China" and CNN and MSNBC blasted him for being xenophobic and his actions a threat to start a world war.
Until January 30th, the World Health Organization (WHO) explicitly declined to classify the coronavirus (COVID-19) as a global emergency. It urged countries not to restrict travel or trade.
The WHO announcement on travel was partially in response to the U.S. government’s January 27th recommendation that Americans “avoid all non-essential travel to China.” But the U.S. went still further. On January 30th, the State Department warned Americans to completely avoid traveling to China. On January 31st, President Trump suspended the entry of all non-U.S. citizens coming from China.
Only Israel and Australia imposed travel moratoriums as soon as the U.S. did. No European countries acted as quickly to suspend travel.
If it wasn't for the actions of the Trump Administration, the country would already have tens of thousands of deaths.
You'll never hear the likes of CNN or MSNBC ever tell that truth.
You'll never hear them say if not for making that tough decision and sticking to it despite all the attacks of the MSM and the Democrats for it (including the likes of Cuomo, Blasio, and Pelosi) we would be in a far worse crisis than we currently are.
Thankfully Trump acted in clear defiance of WHO’s admonishment against restricting travel to and from China.Yes, he "stopped it". And only Fox had several opinion heads say it was a Democratic and media hoax. Did they get it right, Ken?
Thank you, Ken, for doing this research. It gives clear evidence that the President took swift action closing the borders to China, Europe, and the UK. His decisive actions as well as working with the Taskforce he created has worked to help keep the spread as well as death toll very low. In my view, in the end, this is the most important number we should be looking at.
Today's April 2, 2020 -- death toll today as of 5,113
Last updated: April 02, 2020, 13:43 GMT. I fully expect these numbers to change by the end of the day. Many states report their Covid19 stats late in the day.
April 1, 2020 Death toll 4842.
327 million citizens in the USA
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Stats by States
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/Yes and the Trump Administration has done it with considerable delicacy in the face of overwhelming stupidity from the Democrats and most MSM.
He hasn't taken control, he asked companies to help.
He hasn't enacted Martial Law or anything like it, he left it to the states to determine what was needed.
In the face of Governors trying to pass-the-buck and blame him, like when Cuomo said he had no ventilators and that the President wasn't doing enough...only he DID have 30,000 ventilators wharehoused in the state, and when caught in his own lie, made some idiotic claim that they were being held in reserve... that doesn't change the fact that he had tens of thousands on hand and not being used, does it?
And now we have the House Democrats led by Schiff starting another investigation into the President, this time to investigate why he didn't act faster to the pandemic.
Its beyond idiotic, that anyone still supports the Democratic Party, there has never been a more pathetic bunch of politicians in our Nation's history.Ken, you could not have chosen a better word to describe the Democratic party, pathetic. I did hear about the sequel to the "Shiff Show". It makes one wonder how they can hold onto even a small base.
In my view, the President is doing a superb job handling this virus crisis. He actually has left no stone unturned. His talent for problem-solving, organizing a team, and just getting things done quickly amazes me.In my view, anyone who could actually write that Trump was doing a "superb" job only watches Fox News, has no ability to do independent research, has not been following how this pandemic has developed, is ignoring a vast majority of what Trump has actually said, is in complete denial, and is an enemy of both truth and the American people. For God's sake, instead of an expert, Trump just put Jared Kushner in charge - a person with no relevant experience.
From my point of view, what we're seeing from Trump is mass incompetence that's putting people in horrible danger."Trump just put Jared Kushner in charge - a person with no relevant experience."
No relevant experience in finding vaccines/cures for a new virus? Or no experience in finding materials, vendors, shippers and getting those materials to where they are needed (logistics)? Or did you mean no experience in problem solving in general or maybe no experience in convincing people to do what needs doing?
I would guess that Jared Kushner is a better choice for just about anything that needs doing in this crises except playing with the petri dishes.His comment on the federal "stockpile" not being for the states is quite concerning?
Is he right? Legally, is he right - that the stockpile is not for simple distribution to states at their demand?
And what "stockpile" is it, anyway? Fema, to be saved and used in natural disasters? If so, he may BE right - there is no hurricane, no earthquake, no tornado, no volcano. I'm not familiar with the regulations governing disbursement - are you?I think we need to look past the 'normal' apathy and agitation towards Trump.
For better or worse he is the President, and the country, and the world is in deep crisis... once in a century level crisis.
The idiocy of Pelosi and Schiff needs to be put in check, they want to start another investigation into the President at a time like this.
Schumer is sending off letters requesting answers to things that have already been done or dealt with weeks ago, he is out of tune and out of touch with the reality of the current situation.
We have media still attacking him, still pushing the Russian collusion story, the only thing more insane than the tripe CNN is pushing out are the people who believe anything they say.
We have a global economy on the brink of collapse... we have the dollar that is about to become worth less than the paper it is printed on.
We have China sending out Corona-virus test kits contaminated with the COVID-19 while countries around the world are returning faulty substandard and contaminated PPE which originated from China, how much of this is deliberate on their part, and why aren't the Democrats worried about this threat?
We have tens of millions of people in America out of work, this is not the time to attack the President, and its not the time to listen to idiots like Pelosi or Schiff, its time to support the President in his efforts to get us through this.And we have an idiot for a POTUS, Ken.You somehow mistakenly left this out. As long as we're giving our opinions...
I've read up some on the whole family - Kushner seems to be the "go to" man when a particularly difficult problem pops up. Extremely intelligent, seeing what others often miss, always in the background, but getting things done from behind the curtain, so to speak.
But it works both ways - given that they're not asking him to play with petri dishes, what makes you think he is unqualified for whatever it is he's being asked to do? If it is to handle the logistics, and even the politics, of the mess of not having equipment so desperately needed, what I've read would seem he is the perfect candidate.
This is the problem. There are thousands of people who have experience with crisis management. Jared Kushner isn't even remotely one of them. This is the whole of the Trump Administration - put unqualified people in positions across government.
Once again, we see a complete distrust in expertise. Trump knows better. Kushner knows better. Experts are worthless.
I will repeat, I feel the President is doing a wonderful job handling the crisis. Can'tsee where he has left one stone unturned. Not sure why you feel he is doing a poor job and putting American's in " horrible danger". You have not provided any incidence where he has dropped the ball.
I can also assure you I am keeping up with what he is doing via the daily updates his task force is providing anyone that chooses to watch. Not sure nor do I care why you assume I get my news from Fox'. I find that comment odd, and not necessary. It's rude. Not sure why you feel so self-important to make such a statement.
I see you have once again added your point of view ("From my point of view, what we're seeing from Trump is mass incompetence that's putting people in horrible danger.)" Yet have offered nothing of what brought you to that opinion. Such a statement should be backed up by some form of explanation.
You're obviously baiting... Just not interested. I will say as much as you disrespect my opinion, double it for what I care about yours. Your comment should tell you why. LOL
. By the way, my comment was addressed to Ken. I respect his opinion, he just always is able to provide some information on how he came to it.Backed up?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opin … virus.html
It's all backed up unless you are blind.NYT --- LOL
Plus, talk about research and article from March 15th. Let me updated you it is April 4th.
Just don't care for opinion articles either, facts are what I like. I realize you watch CNN and MSNBC but you really should dig a little deeper. Good food, I will give you that, but spoiled rehashed food.I have a couple of favorites. Cspan, due to they have videos that represent what the president states live. I also like Reuters, PBS News, and the Associated Press are not Bias and as a rule, make mention of their sources. In regards to anything to due with Government Gov.com. I can obtain anything in regards to the Government. Such as Laws, Bills, Executive Orders, etc. I look for media sources that at least make attempts to keep to facts and make an attempt to leave out opinion.
Not me. I find they walk a middle line. Very straight forward. Provide the news without letting opinions seep in.
Wow. We agree. I think PBS is one of the better sources.
You need to get with the program, Shar! Your slip is showin'.
Uh-oh... Sounds like something Trump might say, and be accused of checking out a woman hemline. When all he may have meant is, hey your slip in showin. LOL
However, being a woman with solid common sense, and having come to know your good character. I realize you were referring to me perhaps shared something that shows my true beliefs that may not have been evident in some of my comments along the way.Just kidding, Shar. I don't know if ladies even wear slips anymore. Or petticoats either, for that matter...
I'm pleased you recognize my sense of humor, Shar.
Sure, LOL.
Every source has a bias, but you're defining the very source of the problem in America - the inability to distinguish facts from opinions.
You're actually dismissing the article I posted because it's from the NYT, the most distinguished newspaper in America? Even if you don't like the opinion presented, the facts in that article are undeniable. Separate the facts from the opinion.
What's not factual about this, for instance:
On the same day that Trump was dismissing the risks on CNBC, Tom Frieden, who ran the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for eight years, wrote an op-ed for the health care publication Stat. In it, Frieden warned that the virus would continue spreading. “We need to learn — and fast — about how it spreads,” he wrote.
It was one of many such warnings from prominent experts in late January. Many focused on the need to expand the capacity to test for the virus. In a Wall Street Journal article titled, “Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic,” Luciana Borio and Scott Gottlieb — both former Trump administration officials — wrote:
If public-health authorities don’t interrupt the spread soon, the virus could infect many thousands more around the globe, disrupt air travel, overwhelm health care systems, and, worst of all, claim more lives. The good news: There’s still an opening to prevent a grim outcome. … But authorities can’t act quickly without a test that can diagnose the condition rapidly.
Trump, however, repeatedly told Americans that there was no reason to worry. On Jan. 24, he tweeted, “It will all work out well.” On Jan. 28, he retweeted a headline from One America News, an outlet with a history of spreading false conspiracy theories: “Johnson & Johnson to create coronavirus vaccine.” On Jan. 30, during a speech in Michigan, he said: “We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.”
I think, and this is opinion, what the fact show is that Trump is one of the worst leaders in modern history. A coward in every sense of the word. Leaders take responsibility. Trump blames others. Leaders instill confidence. Trump instills chaos. Leaders inspire people who work for them. Trump belittles people and denigrates wide swaths of his employees. The list goes on and on.
Every day, Trump exaggerates or lies about what's going on in some way.
There's no question that the federal government let us down here. The reason it let us down is that we have leaders who don't believe it's even their job to solve a problem like this. For good or bad, that's a big difference between right and left. The right believes the federal government is NEVER the solution. The left believes that sometimes, like in a pandemic and other crises, it is.Where do you live? I only ask because it does give some history behind your perspective on this.
What do you intend to extrapolate from where I live? That one fact is going to give you "history" on my perspective?
The "history" on my perspective is having an advanced degree in American history and knowing a lot more about the political and diplomatic history of this country in the 20th century than most. Or, at least, having read more about it than most.
I live in Colorado.
Of course you're not, for you can't (honestly) answer the question. If it makes you feel better, do you know any politicians that don't spin, exaggerate or intentionally give the wrong impression on a steady basis? A politician that commonly tells the whole story rather than the portion they want you to hear? You can even expand that to major "news" organizations if you like, for the do much the same any more: intentionally spin a story, with only part of the relevant information, to give a false impression.
I'm sorry but you're the one who said every politician in Washington lies incessantly, not me. Why should I answer your question when all you're trying to do is divert from yet another attempt to say they all lie as much as Trump? Why don't you prove your own statement ? It's not my job to prop up your pathetic attempts to make Trump out as normal.
Dan, I applaud your fortitude. However, it is so evident that Crankalicious has a very strong opinion that he feels the president has failed in his job to handle the virus crisis. It is very evident the President not only respects Dr, Fauci and Dr. Birx, both scientists in the study of viruses, but he is also taking their advice and so far following that advice.
The Dem's in Washington called Trump a racist when he closed our borders to China. That's factual. So is it that Trump, in the end, has done nothing but listen to all on his task force.
He has a right to his opinion, so do you. In the end, it well appears the president has supported and acted on the word of the Scientist on his task force. He puts them front and center every day to provide us with updates. The meme just does not represent the facts. Trump is doing a wonderful job, he is keeping us as safe as he can, he is keeping us informed, and he is trying to help financially. He is stockpiling so this kind of problem will not occur again. I for one am proud and amazed to see all that is being accomplished. Hey, to each their own. Your fighting a losing battle with Crank...Oh, I don't know. Crank can think when he can set aside his feelings about Trump. Some of the others here don't seem to have that ability at all. Either that or they're so wound up about anything Trump does or says that it consumes their whole life.
Thanks, Dan. I feel the same way about you.
All evidence points to Trump not taking this seriously and now the spin machine has gone into full swing and Trump's sheeple are trying to pretend like Trump didn't say the things he said about the virus and didn't take it seriously. Remember "it's all under control" and "this will be over soon... like a miracle"?
A much better tack for the Trumpers is to point to the shift by scientists on masks. Now, it seems, scientists are saying masks ARE necessary. So the easy conclusion there is that no matter what President Trump did and no matter how seriously he took this early on, the lack of guidance from the scientific community on masks means that no matter what Trump did, his efforts would have come up short.
That doesn't excuse him for dismissing the seriousness of the virus or for Trumpers so easily parroting the Fox spin. You know, when their Fuhrer says something, they say it too. And when his state-run news channel (Fox) says something, it's amazing how quickly it pops up in these forums.
Even Mitch McConnell has said Trump's response was inadequate, but Mitch blames impeachment and the Dems for distracting everyone.
I think anyone who says Trump's response was "great" and "perfect" is a Trump sheeple or on drugs. However, if you think about the perfect response and how Americans might have reacted to early shut downs and such, I think the math suggests a limit to the success of even the perfect response. The range of infections and death would probably have stayed within a certain range no matter what. Unfortunately, so many people in these forums have demonstrated they are mathematically illiterate, that discussing such things seems pointless.
Again though, I fall back to Trump's basic assertion that science is all a hoax and that he always knows better and has a natural ability to understand things better than our experts. It is that attitude, precisely, that will never produce optimal results."So the easy conclusion there is that no matter what President Trump did and no matter how seriously he took this early on, the lack of guidance from the scientific community on masks means that no matter what Trump did, his efforts would have come up short."
With this I think anyone objectively reasoning their way would agree. NOTHING Trump, or anyone else, did would have prevented a massive problem. People WILL have died no matter what steps we took, even if the idiots on spring break and other gatherings had not done that.
My grandson works at WalMart, for instance, stocking shelves. He is at great risk, as is his family, and nothing will, or could have, changed that.
Yes, we see now things that we could have done differently. We see that the Chinese are, and were, lying badly about the disease. We see that banning travel was smart but insufficient; we should have banned internal travel as well.
No question that mistakes were made, no question that we ALL down-played the virus. Only time, and guesswork, will tell if we should have done more, causing vastly more damage to our economy, or not. Never forget that people are going to be in massive trouble because of a failing economy. I said before that our response MUST be balanced between saving lives and saving the economy that we all depend on for the very food on our tables, for our home, for heat in cold weather and AC in hot.
Nor does it help to make gross exaggerations about Trump's "basic assertion that science is all a hoax". It's hard to think of a greater exaggeration and does nothing to help anything. If anything it hurts as people will pick up on it, believe such nonsense, and ignore anything he says, including instructions on how to mitigate the virus effects. A decent case can be made that the millions of people making this silly assertion does at least as much damage as Trump has done with his comments. Trump has said a lot of things, I believe, in an effort to keep the country calm and out of a panic situation - your comment can only cause panic, without helping anything at all.It's not an exaggeration to say that Trump treats science as a hoax. There's ample evidence to support that assertion.
Again, anyone who says he knows more than the experts, is stupid."People WILL have died no matter what steps we took, even if the idiots on spring break and other gatherings had not done that."
When was the last time the US lead the way among "developed" nations in a stat such as most cases of a virus? And, we aren't even testing as much as many of these nations. The leader has to take some responsibility here. Well, not if the people don't hold him accountable. I'm sure that Trump supporters, and Fox news, would have given Obama such a benefit of the doubt. Americans would have died no matter who were President..but, come on man.The feds can give guidelines and the states make the decisions on what to implement and what not to.
Although it would have been political suicide I do wonder if Trump could have (not certain he has the power) quarantined areas like New York. Banning any from entry or exit, until they beat the virus. If we could have done that, it may have nipped this in the bud at the outset and made it might possible to divert a large percentage of resources.
However it would be open to massive lawsuits, violations of constitutional rights and fear of the government being too authoritarian.Maybe just simply not downplaying over and over would have helped people take this seriously from the jump, maybe if he would have acted faster to get companies making ventilators, maybe if he hadn't of sent 18 tons of medical supplies to China...a lot of maybes. America is looking like a third world country in how it's handling this. He's our President though, and I expect better of my President. Let's hope he, and all of us, handle it as well as we can in the coming days.
It appears the death rate for Coronavirus is now less than 1 percent. According to men of science.
"As such, the death rate of a disease is changeable, and depends on a variety of factors. These include the location of an outbreak, the health status of the infected person, and how much data has been accurately collected on the cases and deaths caused by the disease.
The infection fatality ratio, or portion of all those infected and accounting for unreported cases who die, is thought to be 0.66 percent."
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-de … ts-1495308"Newsweek hasn't fact checked its articles since 1995"
Sure is easy to come online and make accusations with no proof...isn't it?
Nesweek is just the vehicle, the statistics came from John Hopkins University.
From the article.
"According to Johns Hopkins University and indicated in the Statista map below"Mike, I applaud you for not deviating from your efforts to downplay this whole thing. Good job.
The death rate isn't as important as the infection rate and the lack of a vaccine to prevent the virus's spread. I'm stunned that you and others don't seem to understand that.You do realize how hard many are working all over the world to come up with a vaccine to a previously unknown virus? The infection rate is very important the prevention of the spread with the mitigation requests that the Taskforce has put in place is precisely why the spread is under some control and ultimately decreases the death toll. The death toll really tells us if the mitigations are working. I am stunned you don't realize the importance of the death toll.
Guess I consider the Bottomline, the death toll an indicator if all our efforts are working. At this point, all is being done to come up with a vaccine as well as other treatment plans to decrease death.
The death toll as it falls tells us we are on our way to being able to somewhat control the virus until the day we create a vaccine. Takes time to create a vaccine, that's just a fact.
I watch the death toll overall. It gives me an idea of how well our measures are working, and where more measures in regard to areas in the country we need further measures. The death tolls remain low for Covid19 in the above states.
Lots of variables to consider, population, it even appears in states like Hawaii, New Mexico, and Puerto Rico numbers may, (and I say may are decreased possibly due to climate. It could be due to the citizens doing better with mitigations. But, it does appear with past virus warmer climates do better-eradicating flu much quicker.I am not constantly downplaying the importance of this like Mike who is using the death rate to minimize what is going on. Those who are taking this seriously and have from the beginning do so because of the math related to the virus’s infection rate and potential and the fact that there is no immunity or vaccine to stop it.
I see where you are coming from, I have been following your comments. And see your point. My comment was in no way meant to minimize any aspect of this crisis.
I am watching all stats at this point to measure how well the mitigation is working. In my opinion, one death is too many. We have been warned that the virus is virulent and spreads easily, which will produce large numbers of cases. The only thing we have to decrease spread is mitigation. It will take time to create a vaccine, as well as new treatments to help those infected. This is a variable we need to face. It is my hope the one variable we can change is the death toll. Right now it's all about caring for the sick, making sure they get the medical care they need, to ensure they recover, live.
So, I guess that's one reason I watch the death toll. If I see the cases getting the virus to go up and the death rate go down, I assume more are getting the healthcare they need and survive. This is all I think today we can ask for... But, in the coming weeks, I hope to see mitigations bring down the cases of infection come way down, as well as the death toll.
I hope I have explained why at this point I am watching the death toll. LikeThis is correct there is no vaccine, there is no immunity, and the majority of humans have never been exposed to it meaning they are fully susceptible to it.
The estimates of experts during Trump's briefings stated that they hope to have a vaccine in a year and a half.
So for the next year and a half, we will most likely be contending with situations (work, travel, number of ill) worse than they are now.
As this goes on, "normal" activities will be halted, and tens of millions will be out of work.
So... is it any wonder that the President tries to go out there and say America can get through this, hopefully we can be back to normal in a month, that things will bounce back when this is over.
Imagine having a President come out and say the opposite: "Millions are going to die, tens of millions of jobs will be lost never to return, we are doomed as a nation"... that sounds more like a Democrats' schtick, one that wouldn't have very positive results under the circumstances.
He gets out there daily and says... the experts are working on a cure, we have medicines that might help, we will get through it and we will bounce back... and only the idiots who don't care about America or Americans are wasting energy trying to tear him down now.
The media sources and Democratic politicians that are still on the attack...they deserve nothing but scorn, all they are doing is flaming the fear and doubts, they are truly despicable people.
I'm hearing that a vaccine is at least a year out. Do you have suggestions on how to produce one? Should we forget the massive testing that is what takes the time? Should we ignore possible side effects, or not consider how effective it is?
What can we do to produce a vaccine more rapidly? I hear that one is available, just entering the testing stage; should we simply begin production and give it to everyone?Dan, I hear that malaria drugs will solve our problems.
White House projects 100K to 240K coronavirus deaths as Trump tells US to prepare for ‘very painful two weeks’
A somber President Trump told Americans to brace for “a very painful two weeks" and warned of thousands of more virus-related deaths.
“This is going to be a rough two week period,” Trump said. “As a nation we’re going to have a really rough two weeks. Our strength will be tested and our endurance will be tried.”
At another point, Trump said: "This could be a hell of a bad two weeks. This is going to be a very bad two or maybe even three weeks. This is going to be three weeks like we've never seen before."
USA
Total cases: 187,729
New cases: +23,941
Total deaths: 3,867
New deaths: +726Meanwhile...
USA
Total cases: 214,465
New cases: +25,935
Total deaths: 4,842
New deaths: +789
And rising.
The problem is that many people don't take the virus seriously as nothing has happened in their own community yet. The President was downplaying the virus for a long time with all its consequences.
---"Second, President Trump says that the coronavirus will go away soon. Why can't people just have faith in our President. He says there's nothing to worry about."----
Because the president didn't take the virus seriously, lots of other people didn't, as they looked for the leader of a country. And copied his behaviour. With unnecessary deaths as a result.
It's still not over. As long as people are ignorant and going to the park and don't take enough physical distance while shopping the virus is going to spread.
Cities are worst off as people are dependent on shops, places where more people come together.
Over here in Spain at the moment, you are fined if you wander too far off while walking with the dog.
And the US probably thought, o well, it's Italy, Spain, China. That's far away. This positive bias thinking that was clearly shown by president Trump has costed lives. That's a sad thing,Trump closed the border to travel from China, the EU and WHO blasted him for it when he did it.
Now Spain and Italy and France are dealing with an epidemic that is far worse than what we have in America.
Yeah, the leaders in Spain are great, they were allowing marches all across Spain as recently as March 8th, 'Women's Day" I believe it was. Brilliant leadership there. I'm sure those mass marches didn't help spread it any.
No one reacted more quickly, or with more consideration, than the Trump Administration to this pandemic.Spain acted inadequately as well. The Women's Day march (great that you know about it.) was a big mistake as it helped the virus spreading enormously.
At the same time Tump said the following:
2nd of March -“We’re talking about a much smaller range” of deaths than from the flu"
4th of March “It’s very mild,”
.On March 7, he said, “I’m not concerned at all.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on Coronavirus.”
On March 10, he promised: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
On March 10, the World Health Organization reported 113,702 cases of the virus in more than 100 countries.
March the 8th was apparently was when the shock really hit the world. But it should have been February the 8th. As the whole month of February, hardly anything was done in the western world, although the virus was spreading in Asia..
President Trump was not the only leader who had it completely wrong. Thinking that it would pass.
Sadly enough it's much more then a flew. It's the start of an economic crisis.No one reacted more quickly, or with more consideration, than the Trump Administration to this pandemic.
Wow. SMHThe kind of response you'd expect from one of Trump's sheeple.
Who, of course, is not defending Trump, but is merely a crusader for truth and accuracy.
Which is not an easy thing to do at the same time...
No one reacted more quickly, or with more consideration, than the Trump Administration to this pandemic.
A person who can actually type such a thing has no grasp of reality - or is operating in a completely different reality. Trump's own words completely contradict the conclusion of the sentence above.But, remember, his fans like to say his words are meaningless, only his actions matter. That might be sorta kinda reasonable if the purveyors of this nonsense held a realistic view of Trump's actions. Instead, they seem to ignore the crap he actually does and give him credit for what others do. If anyone should get credit for slowing the pandemic, it should be the governors who took early action by closing nonessential businesses and issuing stay-at-home orders.
Here is an article that chronically provides what Trump did and when. I think it will perhaps clear up what Trump did, and when he did it. It also gives some context to a few of the trump quotes in your comment.
Trump was taking reports from The World Health Organization (WHO) that reinforced China’s falsehoods, saying on Jan. 14 that “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China.” This was five to six weeks after the opposite was confirmed. Trump also was being informed by the CDC daily on the progress of the virus.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/31/th … he-danger/But there's still this, Shar.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 … rus-trump/Japan, South Korea, and Thailand reported their first cases of novel coronavirus on JAN. 20.
On JAN. 21, the first case of coronavirus in the United States was reported, of a man who had traveled from Wuhan, China. That is the case President Trump referred to the next day
JAN. 24: The CDC confirmed the second U.S. case of coronavirus, adding again that “based on what we know right now, the immediate risk to America remains low.”
JAN. 28: The WHO published another statement about the coronavirus, with a photograph and headline saying: “WHO, China leaders discuss next steps in battle against coronavirus outbreak.” Pictured are WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in Beijing with Chinese President Xi Jinping. According to the release, “The WHO delegation highly appreciated the actions China has implemented in response to the outbreak, its speed in identifying the virus and openness to sharing information with WHO and other countries.”
Think about that: On Jan. 28, the WHO praised China for its “speed and openness” in dealing with the virus. The same day, President Trump expanded U.S. airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines.
On JAN. 30, the WHO declared a global health emergency of international concern.
On Jan. 30, the CDC confirmed publicly for the first time the person-to-person spread of Wuhan virus and applauded WHO’s decision. THAT VERY DAY, the president created the White House Coronavirus TASK Force to coordinate efforts regarding this new disease.
The next day, JAN. 31, the president declared coronavirus a U.S. public health emergency and issued the BAN ON TRAVEL between the United States and China. (Biden criticized President Trump’s China travel ban, saying during an Iowa campaign event, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia.”)
FEB. 4: The White House directed the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to step up coronavirus diagnostic testing procedures.
FEB. 5: The CDC issued a PUBLIC STATEMENT saying, “While we continue to believe the immediate risk of 2019nCoV exposure to the general public is low, CDC is undertaking measures to help keep that RISK LOW.”
FEB. 18: The CDC reaffirmed that the “risk to Americans from coronavirus is LOW”
FEB. 20: The administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for Japan and South Korea.
It was not until FEB. 26 that the FIRST CASE of suspected local transmission in the United States was announced by the CDC. President Trump that day named Vice President Pence to lead the Coronavirus Task Force. The next day, FEB. 27, Pence named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.
On FEB. 29, the first death from the coronavirus was recorded in the United States. On that date, President Trump halted travel with Iran.
On MARCH 11, the WHO declared coronavirus a worldwide pandemic. The next day, on MARCH 12, President Trump imposed travel restrictions on Europe and elsewhere. Biden criticized that decision also.
Then, on MARCH 13, President Trump declared a national emergency.
The single most important step taken by President Trump was his closing of U.S. travel with China, which happened on Jan. 31, something the president reminds us at every briefing.
He’s right, but what he doesn’t say is he made that decision at a time the CDC was assuring us the risk to America was low, the WHO was covering for China, Democrats were trying to impeach the president, and Biden was attacking the decision as xenophobic.
AS you see by the timeline above the Trump administration followed the National Security Council playbook almost to the letter.
A 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics laid out what to do on most fronts when trying to curb the spread of the disease. The first responsibility is to the individual's states for the welfare of their citizens and healthcare workers. The Federal Government is a backup, which in this case was very necessary for this crisis. It is up to Governors to request supplies which most have done. The president depleted the stockpile and has made every effort to obtain supplies from all types of sources to fill the requests. I suppose one could blame the Trump administration for not realizing the Obama administration did not have a sufficient stockpile. Although what president would ever imagine a crisis such as this virus. It would appear those responsible for these stockpiles may have been lacks for, who knows to how long.
At any rate, I feel amazed at the number of all the needed supplies that are being acquired with such speed. And I can't imagine how many more we would have died if Trump did not shut the borders to China, Europe, and the UK. This and him listening to his task force about hunting down this country promoting mitigations will be in the end what will keep the death rate down. Not sure what they will do next winter, because this virus will surely be back.
I would imagine we won't agree on the way Trump handled this crisis, but I think he did a good job, and I think in the end he saved a lot of lives.Of course you do, Shar. I expected nothing less...
No response to the wiki description of the Federalist?I do not as a rule like the Federalist, I think they are clearly not the best source. I was looking for a simple timeline. Most timelines included Trump's personal tweets and opinion statements he made at his press conferences. I don't always appreciate his statements. I spent time today to really have a look at the timeline, he worked quickly. But, he was slammed by most articles due to the depleted Government stockpiles. Not sure I would blame him for that. It seems most of the states Gov as well as the Obama ad. lacked at keeping a good medical supply stockpile. This is a problem, and should not have happened.
But the simple fact remains.
South Korea 4 deaths per million
USA 25 deaths per million
Covid-19 hit both countries at the same time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-con … tm_source=Your stats are correct. And after doing some reading it appears S. Korea was very quick to start testing. We were at a disadvantage due to lack of test kits. The USA took it's time to developed test kits on this virus. In my opinion, in the end, the mitigations will keep the death toll down, even perhaps lower than some of the yearly fuls we have experienced. I can only hope...I am staying positive, does no good to wring hands or blame anyone for a virus.
My link was to point out the timeline of how the Government handled the crisis in the very first days. Many are just not aware of what was acctually done.
Thanks for your widening discussion of this topic. You sure got a great response!
Also data from John Hopkins: "The U.S. topped 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for the first time Wednesday, a daily death toll more than double that of two of America's most deadly illnesses – lung cancer and the flu."
---Is it now time to take this seriously? Trump even finally came around, if he doesn't change his mind sometime today.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more- … r-BB122UByWell, sports fans...
My county has just ordered us to wear masks in public. That's right, "ordered". Here's the key quote: "law enforcement agencies throughout the county have the authority to enforce these orders as they deem necessary".It could be a lot worse, trust me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9mxpkPEy0Y
“Well, it’s tragically fitting that we’re talking at the beginning of Holy Week because this is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans’ lives, quite frankly,” Adams told “Fox News Sunday,” comparing it to historic national tragedies. “This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11 moment, only it’s not going to be localized. It’s going to be happening all over the country. And I want America to understand that.”
Vice Admiral Jerome Adams, Surgeon GeneralWell, I've been self-quarantining for the last several days. Today I had to go to the pharmacy and the grocery store. The stores were disinfecting the carts after each use. Most people were wearing masks, some employees and customers were not. I was told cops are handing out citations. I was standing outside, a patrol car drove by; I'm sure he admired my new, red, sexy, bandanna. Still lots of empty store shelves and shortages; I'm kind of surprised the hoarding is still going on. One brilliant idea I got when I got home; I threw all the bags of canned goods into a corner; I'll give them a couple days for the virus to die before unpacking them. Am back in quarantine; I'll know in two weeks if I caught it.
Yep, it's like a secret spy mission everytime you go out shopping. I do believe there is a market for Tee shirts with a logo of, This is not a stick-up, especially if one is wearing a mask.
Took me awhile to remember the red bandanna over the face is the classic western motif for robbing a bank, etc. I'll try to remember to quit wearing it when the county's mask order is rescinded.
Let us put this in perspective. Doing this is to wonder exactly why this is happening. The death rate for Coronavirus is not even close to the number of annual deaths from the common flu. Yet, everyone is very comfortable with the thousands of annual deaths from the common flu.
"Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1). The number of influenza-associated illnesses that occurred last season was similar to the estimated number of influenza-associated illnesses during the 2012–2013 influenza season when an estimated 34 million people had symptomatic influenza illness."
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/20 … jvh_j8OdlkWell said Mike, some people don’t care about putting anything in perspective because they are brainwashed to believe the media. Has one journalist asked Fauci or Trump why no one is as concerned about the thousands of deaths every year from the flu? Instead they ask ridiculous questions based on fake news reports of the moment which they haven’t vetted or quote Trump out of context to propagate lies. I see Democrat governors on TV lamenting about 5 or 6 elderly who died from Covid19 over night yet not a word from them of sympathy for the multiple dozens of people who died the same night from car accidents and the flu. Not a word for them.
Just goes to show you where they want to put the emphasis, on anything that contributes to chaos, perspective isn’t in the media’s vocabulary.Those numbers I posted are from the CDC. Things are getting extremely crazy. A woman in Pennsylvania got a fine for $225 because she took a drive. Huh? It just seems there is more to this than a pandemic. They occur every so often and the world has NEVER reacted to it this way.
Go ahead on with your business then, Mike. Go out and mingle...
Randy, at some point we need to face we have two problems. And we need to face both. The crisis is one, and its cure could kill more than the virus. We need to continue all the things that can keep us relatively safe from catching a virus. But, we can't keep the country shut down much longer. I hope by the end of the month we will all have learned to
continue all the precautions we are doing at this time, and use them in our daily lives for some time to come. Because this virus will be around for a few more years. We will get a vaccine, but until then, it's up to each of us to go about our lives and use precautions, to cut down the infection rate. WE will keep the death toll down if we do.
"A woman in Pennsylvania got a fine for $225 because she took a drive. "
Link, please? Because I flat out do not believe the police pulled her over for driving her car.I did a search for "Pennsylvania got a fine for $225" without the quotes. She wasn't initially pulled over for it, but the fine is real: https://www.wgal.com/article/york-count … /32032535#
Then she wasn't fined for driving her car, as was stated. She was fined for violating the stay at home order.
This is just pure speculation, but my guess is she might have been being obnoxious or rude during the stop and provoked the officer into giving her that ticket; after all, it was the only one in the state.
Sure,
"Police in Pennsylvania fined a woman more than $200 for taking a drive amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Anita Shaffer, 19, was driving around her town to get out of the house last weekend when two state police cars pulled her over in York County. The officers reportedly initially pulled her over for a busted taillight and dark window tinting, but she was then fined for violating the state’s stay-at-home order.
“He asked me if I was aware of the stay-at-home act,” she said. “I am aware of it, but I didn’t know it pertained to just driving,” she responded."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … ome-ordersShe wouldn't have been pulled over if she didn't have vehicle violations, Mike. Makes a big difference...
Read the article Randy! Her father and she examined the car and there was nothing wrong with her light. If so they would have written her up for that. Of course you don’t need to read the article, you just make up your conclusions based on what you want your conclusion to be, the hell with the details.
“ The daughter and father also inspected the taillight when she got home and found it was working fine.”So the cops lied? Must be Trumpers then.
Gotta love her response - "I just didn't think it applied to me because I didn't want to obey it".
Perhaps not "brainwashed" just coming at the problem with a differing way of looking at the situation. Mike clearly stated flu stats. If one actually reads Mike's comment it is clear he offered no opinion, only sought to put the problem in perspective. This is where some took his comment as and read into it putting a very negative spin on his comment. Feeling he was downplaying the crisis and adding anyone that downplays the virus should be ashamed.
IT's clear some are expressing facts and comparing Covid19 stats to yearly flu stats. Perhaps shedding a common sense more I might say positive approach. While some chose to look at the crisis as very different than the yearly flu. I guess once again it's all about the thought process and difference of opinions.
In my opinion, this virus will be something we will have to deal with and live with. As we have with every flu. I find it unrealistic to blame anyone or to think our Government can kiss it and make it go away... We will have no county if we keep it closed to much longer. Maybe time to face reality.
We have two crisis, time to face both of them."If one actually reads Mike's comment it is clear he offered no opinion, only sought to put the problem in perspective."
To put it into perspective, one must make mention of the some 150 million flue vaccines that are given each year and that the death toll would be much, much higher without those vaccines.
Our current "vaccine" for Covid-19 is social separation. Projections are for some 2 million deaths without the use of that "vaccine" rather than the 100,000 or so we expect with it. So perhaps they are similar...except we can protect ourselves from the common flue, and do so in vast numbers.Some honest research will show you the flu vaccine helps very little and it is usually only effective for elderly people or those with underlying health issues. Everyone else, can handle seasonal flu.
"All-cause mortality is nonspecific. Nevertheless, it is important to consider, especially in the elderly. Although our estimate of 4.6% vaccine effectiveness against all-cause mortality during flu season may seem disappointing, it amounts to approximately 47% of a plausible target: the rise in mortality that would have occurred during flu season had none of the elderly been vaccinated."
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/170/5/650/102527
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The death rate for corona virus is .66 percent. Your odds of dying is a car accident are better.
"The study published Monday in The Lancet Infectious Diseases medical journal estimates that about 0.66 percent of patients who become infected with the virus will die. When undetected infections aren’t taken into account, researchers found the coronavirus death rate was 1.38 percent."
https://thehill.com/changing-america/we … lower-thanYes, however, you can see by the CDC estimated numbers that even with a vaccine the numbers are higher than what we are presently dealing with.
Today the USA has 360,689, death rate 10,691
"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza "
We have no idea of the final stats. However, one can see the mitigation has helped keep the numbers down,
as a vaccine would have also done.
It appears the 100,000 number that was predicted last week by the task force hopefully will not come to fruition. We will never know what the death rate would have been if the virus was just let to run its course. Yes, it well appears the mitigations have worked very
well as a quasi vaccine.
At some point, we will be able to protect ourselves from this flu too. We very well may have the same tolls. Flu kills even when a vaccine is available. But, I think the covid19 vaccine will be one that more people in our history will get.Hopefully, but there's no telling how many waves of the virus we'll have to endure before a vaccine is perfected.
Randy, There is one other thing that will protect us, and will take many out of the equation. Those that have had the virus will have developed antibodies to the virus. One could say this is one of the only good that will come out of this bout of the virus. As a rule, we have three or four bouts before a new vaccine can be developed and tested. However, Dr. Fauci made a statement last week he felt it would be about 18 months.
It sounds as if several companies are close to new anti-viral meds are coming to help with the symptoms of this virus. Scientists all over the world are working creating a vaccine, maybe it will be fast tracked.Unfortunately that is not necessarily true (that we will gain immunity if we get the virus and recover; as an example we need a new, different flu shot every year because the virus mutates. It remains to be seen what the mutation rate for Covid is.
I agree, considering we are now dealing with Covid 19...this is the 19th mutation of this particular strain of virus.
That is very true if the virus will most likely mutate. and we will be back to square one. Immunity conveyed by a flu shot does not cover one from year to year due to mutation during the previous flu season. Hence yearly flu shots.
I was referring to a vaccine that would work on the present COVID19 virus strain. If the virus mutates which most do I am not sure but I thought once they have a vaccine it is easier to create another vaccine after it mutates.
Thanks for this Wilderness. I don't understand why those with Mike's view don't understand the threat here. It's not the mortality rate (though, that's part of it - it's not comparing mortality rates to the flu mortality rates). It's the impact on the health care system and our inability to stop the spread of the virus.
Ever heard about the word "exponential"?
Imagine nothing was done to stop the Coronavirus. How many body bags do you think we would need in a year's time..
The downplaying of this virus iin January can be seen as ignorance but not in March. Today having such a positive bias kind of thinking is killing people. Highly irresponsible.Indeed Peter, if people didn't self-quarantine and didn't avoid crowds the virus would have been lots worse by now. I don't know what Mike's thinking, but I'm glad there aren't more who look at the crisi in this manner.
The stupid Governor from my state of Georgia has reopened the beaches against the wishes of those who live there. The moron only learned the virus could be passed by non-symptomatic people last week.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stupi … li=BBnb7KzNo one will ever know how many body bags. May not have been any more than some of our yearly flu. Our Government trusted the WHO, as well as our own CDC. Other than that Trump's timeline was very good in handling the virus. His statements were based on info he perhaps should not have trusted. The only fault I can see is the USA pandemic stockpile was understocked.and have been fo many years. As for now, the death rate is low to what it could have been. It could be closer to the stats we see from yearly flu. The blame should be directed at China as well as the WHO and our CDC, as well as those responsible for our stockpiles. The president is doing a good job of getting equipment and supplied to where they are needed with good speed.
The most depressing article yet: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/03/ame … perts-say/
The article has 2 typos. There is no reward for finding them.What is with Trump as this endless pitchman for this hydroxychloroquine stuff?
He keeps saying that he "is not a doctor" but interrupts questions during press conferences directed at true professionals who are? He says that he does have common sense. But, if he had a lick of that, he would keep his mouth shut.
Medical science's jury is still out on the safety and effectiveness of this drug. Why is Trump hyping it so? Is he aware that his promotions are taken seriously by the nation's lowest common denominator, many of his followers?
People are dying and he can still only think of what benefits Trump and his expansive ego.
I will have to verify the "rumor" that he has been going to Dr. Oz for advice, "the Wizard of Oz", world renown purveyor of snake oil and varied nostrums, as America's biggest quack. I am checking for the veracity of this story.
He is a lousy President and an even worse human being and I have yet to be convinced otherwise.
And now Tucker Carlson and the standard assortment of right wing clowns are trying to discredit Dr. Fauci as having an "agenda", affiliated with the "Deep State". Do America's right-wingers really think that the rest of us are so naive?hydroxychloroquine is being used all over this country by Doctors to treat Covid19 with good success. He may be touting it due to many Dr. are using it, and it seems to be working for many.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business … loroquine/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/ny-corona … rial-drug/
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ … 955430001/
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … 094307002/
https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-drug-c … e/6079864/
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar … hloroquine
https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/ … cal-trialsPerhaps, Sharlee, Trump would have more credibility if he works out his medical knowledge in conflict with DR. Fauci, before he faces the public. The evidence of the effectiveness of this drug is still inconclusive. I see no reason why Fauci would have reason to be duplicitous after 34 years on the job. Trump, not so much.
I don't like the Trump attitude where his intuition is valued over the medical experts. His "happy talk" has consistently misled and misinformed as he seems to resist the science.
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“It is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be effective in treating covid-19,'' the FDA’s chief scientist, Denise Hinton, wrote in the letter granting emergency approval.
Hinton’s letter did not cite specific studies or evidence the FDA used to support the decision.
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I heard stuff like this about peach pit derivative as treatment for cancer.Dr. Fauci is one opinion. As you can see many Physicians in the Feild are using it, and are stating it appears to be helping in many cases. (See links provided).
In regards to Trump's opinion about the drugs. He is known for giving his opinion. Not anything new. Some appreciate it, some don't. He appears to be a man that looks for the positive and does not tend to lean to the negative. It is your right to not like his attitude. Not sure why you feel he does not respect Dr. Fauci's input. He has listened to his input and suggestions on Mitigations, and the need to shut its country down. It was clear from the very beginning Trump leaned toward opening the country back up by Easter and has listened to the Dr. in regard to the need to keep it closed down. I think Trump has good respect for both Dr. on the task force.
Many physicians around the world including the USA are using the drug and having good success. Although Dr. Fauci is well respected, he has one view to offer. I prefer to listen to Doc's that are in the field using the drug. This new virus offers little treatments, and I would leave the opinion to use the drug to the patient and their Dr. The "Right Tp Try' bill lets them have the choice to use a drug that is perhaps not a previously prescribed drug as well as drugs that have not completed studies.
hydroxychloroquine sulfate. many people have taken the drug for arthritis, Lupus, etc. It has been around since world war 11. And can be purchased at one's local drug store.
Your comparison od a "peach pit therapy just does not compare to a drug that has been around and used for many other health problems. Seems you are going to extremes.
https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/la … n-context/
In regard to Trump's "happy talk". You do realize there are people that tend to have personalities that always see the positive, and some that just always lean to negativity? He is a president that is talking about a drug that doctors are using presently to help with the symptoms and actually showing good results. I have found offered several examples of the patient's personal experience with the drugs. Both feeling the drug saved their lives.
If you were dying I take it you would not give this drug a try due to one scientist's opinion. Interestingly, it gives me a bit of insight on other's thoughts about this drug. Me, I would opt to go with the opinion. "What do you have to lose". you're going to die. Hey, I would even opt to use those peach pits if they showed some success.The danger here is that when you use one drug to treat one condition and then use that same drug to treat a totally different condition, you can have very unfortunate side effects, like death, which is why the medical community does not make recommendations based on anecdotal evidence.
And Trump has been touting this as a cure, but its anecdotal use is very specific - with Zinc in extreme cases, not for mild cases. J.K. Rowling said a breathing exercise cured her, why not push that? Doesn't cost anything and anybody can do it. What about prayer? If God really cared about the people with COVID-19, wouldn't he stop this? Is it possible that COVID-19 is a punishment for our sins?Your statement gives me the opinion you feel you know more than the hundreds of physicians that have opted to use the drug as a first treatment due to witnessing good results on a virus that we have no real other meds that provide to same positive results.
As a nurse, I can assure you anyone with COVID is being provided with every respiratory therapy to help with the disease. These therapies are palliative, and do not deal with the cause of the condition.
hydroxychloroquine is a drug that is having a positive result with the cure, not just palliative to alleviate symptoms. I regard to God, and his thoughts on the virus, I have no comment...
https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/la … n-context/So, as a nurse, if you heard that some doctor somewhere used some solution for a condition and you had a patient with that condition, you would try that solution before receiving any guidance or before any testing could be done or results produced across similar cases from other doctors?
If not, why? This person is a doctor and knows what he's doing.As a nurse, you are well aware I have no authority to prescribe any form of the drug. Your anology is not appropriate to the uses of this drug. I have offered several links that give good proof many physicians are already using the drug and having good results. Physicians are responsible to give the patient all the possible side effects as they do with all drugs. Are you insinuating the thousands of physicians that are using the drug are not suitable to prescribe or that they're not making their patients aware of side effects? Please read new guidelines for uses of hydroxychloroquine.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a … ch-30-2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business … loroquine/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/ny-corona … rial-drug/
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … 094307002/
https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-drug-c … e/6079864/As a nurse, I have no right to prescribing medication or do I have an education that would be suitable to prescribe medication.
So, no I would not advise a patient or anyone on medication. If I was asked by a Pt to provide information on a drug, I would provide that information as an advocate.
Not sure if you're asking me if I would take a medication that was not FDA approved. It would depend on my illness, my prognosis. If I was at death's door I might consider a medication that was under study but not yet approved. I would not take a med that did not have some studies to provide some results that were promising.
In regards to hydroxychloroquine, I would take it as a prophylactic measure if I were working at this point. This medication has been around for many years. I have a friend that takes it for Lupus, I have most likely as a nurse over my 25 years given it hundreds of times for different conditions. To include children with juvenile idiopathic arthritis.
I hope you have a look at my link. Doctors all over the world are prescribing the med to their patients for COVID19. and feel comfortable doing so.
"People are dying and he can still only think of what benefits Trump and his expansive ego."
He is desperate to find something, anything, that helps save lives and you claim he only thinks of himself? TDS for sure!Follow the lead of the medical professionals as something/anything is the wrong advice.
He did, as I'm sure you are aware of. The drug he's saying might help has several reputable doctors saying it DOES help. Medical professionals that have tried it.
Sigh, yes Credence, but as bad as Trump may be, the Democrats prove far worse over and over again.
$25M for increase in House Representatives salaries, $50M for Museums, $75M for NPR radio, $75M to state art organizations, $75M to Smithsonian, $25M for Kennedy Center, $75M to National Endowment, $50M to illegals,
Remember in November - this is what the Democrats focused on in the House, giving themselves a raise, this is why Relief was delayed for over a week as they rejected revision after revision... they don't care about the American people, just their power and their pay.
And now Schiff and Pelosi are starting a new investigation into Trump, during this crisis, while he was dealing with it in January they were still trying to Impeach him... and now they want to investigate him, even though he dealt with it while they ignored it.
The Democratic Party, all those in DC currently, are the biggest problem this country has... worse than Republicans, worse than Russians, worse than terrorists... they are either incompetent, or traitors to the American people, or a mixture of both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC3VDhziVFc"The Democratic Party, all those in DC currently, are the biggest problem this country has... worse than Republicans, worse than Russians, worse than terrorists... they are either incompetent, or traitors to the American people, or a mixture of both."
You can swap the word "Democrats" with "Republicans" in your rant and it would make more sense to many of us, Ken.
And again with the Youtube link?The House did not give themselves a raise. That is just flat-out false. I bet much of the rest of your post is either false or misleading, but I know it doesn't really matter because you don't believe fact checkers, just certain dudes on youtube. Like I told my paranoid right_wing conspiracy theory pushing friend, I don't care if you think Bill Gates is an alien who started a global pandemic via 5G in cahoots with Chuck Schumer and Bono, are you staying home unless absolutely necessary, washing your hands, and wearing a mask? ;-)
You are right, the House did not give themselves a $25 million raise in Pelosi's proposed bill. The statement was false—on its face.
But, it is easy to see where that false spin came from. They did propose to give themselves $25 million in the coronavirus bill. *you can see where the spin came from.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
SALARIES AND EXPENSES
"For an additional amount for ‘‘Salaries and Expenses’’, $25,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2021, except that $5,000,000 shall remain available until expended, for necessary expenses of the House of
Representatives to prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus, to be allocated in accordance with a spend plan submitted to the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives by the Chief Administrative Officer and approved by such Committee:"
Provided, That such amount is designated by the Congress as being for
an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A)(i) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.[/i]
Source: Text of Democrat's Coronavirus House Bill - pg. 135
It would take some more digging to determine what they planned to use that $25 million for, but since this was only a proposed bill, I am not that interested. I didn't even look to see if that same money was in the passed bill. But, it would make for some curious speculation if it wasn't.
Hmm . . . I think I will check that out after all.
GAWell, here is an observation that seems ripe for speculation. I will save mine for last.
It appears that the $25 million for the House in the Democrat's first 1400-page bill, was stripped out, (like the other Democrat 'wish list' of progressive proposals), of the final 110-page bill that passed.
I saw a thread wondering about the "why" of a definition change regarding something on the CDC website. Now, I have what appears to be a bigger "why" question. Why wasn't that $25 House money included in the final bill?
It is easy to assume, (rightly or wrongly), that many of the Democrat proposals in the first bill were stripped because they weren't related to our coronavirus emergency. It also seems hard to not assume that maybe the stripping of that $25 million House money was because it too wasn't related to the coronavirus emergency.
So just what was that $25 million proposed to be used for? Was Ken's claim of a pay raise completely off-base? Was it to be a House slush fund for any legislator's expenses during this period?
Something smells.
Here is the text of the bill that passed: ‘Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act’’
GASo in effect 'pay raise' was inaccurate, 'slush fund without designation as to how it would be spent' may have been more appropriate.
A $25 million funding allocation for the House was referenced in a version of the package proposed by House Democrats on March 23.
That House proposal included $25 million for “Salaries and Expenses” for the chamber which would be “allocated in accordance with a spend plan submitted to the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives by the Chief Administrative Officer and approved by such Committee.”
But the bill never said it was specifically for legislators’ pay raise.
It was still there in later versions, the $25 million funding for the House is included in the Senate version of the package, posted on March 25 by the Senate Appropriations Committee. The measure had been agreed to in principle by congressional leaders and the White House.
Perhaps it was pulled out because there was so much attention to the Bill and the hold-up passing it, that they felt is might be politically unwise to pursue even a small $25 million money grab during such a high profile moment in history.You are right, that $25 million stayed in the bill through the 5th presented revised version of the bill. It just doesn't appear, (unless I missed it), in the final passed version of the bill.
Regardless of the direction of speculation, when combined with the stripping of other Democrat 'wish list' segments, I still say something about that $25 million smells.
I am inclined to view it as a House 'slush fund' grab that didn't make the cut.
GA
GACertainly we should be concerned about $25 million with no oversight. I also wonder why they have salaries and expenses on the same line. Seems like "expenses" should have its own line so they cannot make excuses or deflect about it being expenses and not salaries.
How do you feel about the $2 trillion dollar coronavirus fund that now lacks independent oversight?The heading structure of "Salaries" and Expenses was uniform throughout the bill, with continuing text defining the generalities of the appropriations.
You may be right that it could be confusing, but I think it was just a "wording" thing.*
I have heard of the "no independent oversight" charge, mostly related to the business-related parts of the bill. It struck me as a Democrat whine and I didn't check into it. So I don't know what to think about it.
However, the wording for almost all of the separate appropriations was pretty much the same 'boiler plate' stuff. Some were very detailed in the application of the monies, but most were not. So I think a fair assumption might be that the appropriation disbursements were left to the leading agency to determine.
If that is a fair assumption, then it would seem rational to assume the same for the business-related money disbursements.
At this point, I don't have a problem with it and think it is just a Democrat charge. *shrug
*If you take a quick look at the bill—not a deep read—you will see what I mean about its "boiler-plate" construction.
GAIt seems odd to me that you're concerned about $25 million in a bill but have no concerns about the lack of independent oversight on the $2 trillion coronavirus bill.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- … ulus-funds
Oversight of government is important regardless of whether Dem or Rep is spending the money. Democratic whine? Seems like you're whining about $25 million probably for additional expenses. What about $2 trillion dollars that's now going to be overseen by one of Trump's own people instead of an independent official?
Another deep state hack according to Trump's people:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04 … her-victim
But a man who seemed to do his job through both Rep and Dem administrations.
Isn't oversight important in general?Trump detests oversight even from those whose job it is to have it. No surprise he doesn't want oversight over this vast amount of money. Easier to siphon off with no one watching.
What part of our, (Crankalicious and I), current conversation about the passed emergency bill has anything to do with Pres. Trump?
GACrank was speaking of oversight on the spending bill, so why is my post off topic?
Because Trump didn't write the Bill. Nothing in the conversation was about Trump. At best you could have bashed the Republicans, but you skipped right over that to inject another Trump criticism into a non-Trump discussion.
GA
GA, really? The poster boy for TDS is not going to mention Trump even though Trump has nothing to do with your discussion? You should know better than that by now.
Taking the last first, of course, oversight is important.
Since I haven't looked into the charge being discussed, all I really have are questions.
What is "independent oversight" to you?
What is the independent oversight in place for all of the other appropriations? (in most cases it seems to only be the agency receiving the appropriations to disburse)
Do you know that there is no independent oversight, (whatever that term may mean), regarding the appropriation you are having a problem with?
If by "independent" you mean an agency outside of the receiving agency, I didn't see where any of the disbursements were subject to that—other than the constant ending sentence: " That such amount is designated by the Congress as being for an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A)(i) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985. "
If you help me with those questions then it might point me in the right direction to look for an answer to your question.
GA
Cmon Ken, that is just more right wing rubbish.
Well, from my experience the problematic people are the GOP, as for where the Russians are on this scale, somewhere above the Republicans. I told you a bit about my background, what makes you think that me or anyone like me are going trust Republicans? The only ones I see are Uncle Toms, Aunt Jemimas and assorted minstrel show characters in blackface. From experience and academic education, I know this system inside and out and I still have more than one bone to pick in regards to it.
Republicans expressed interest primarily is to give away the treasury to the fat cats as quickly as possible with as little oversight as they can get away with. And I will be damned if I butter their bread at the expense of middle class and working people.
But, I have expressed my complaint about Pelosi using the crisis to address the laundry lists of progressives. As, I have said before, this is not the time. But, I am not giving the Republicans a carte Blanche either.
And understanding American history, it is easy to say that Trump will go down as America's WORST President.
And I apologize profusely, that I cannot see your point of view from MY perspective, nor you being able to appreciate and understand my point of view.Credence, thats fair and more importantly, that's honest.
At the end of the day, I would support those who want to walk the path to move the country in the direction you want it to move in...
If there was someone competent and trustworthy to move it in that direction.
Since there is not, since the Democrats have proven far more incompetent, and far more callous to American's needs in these past two years... more importantly, since the DNC and its supporters denigrated and dismissed all true voices of character and change that were willing to offer themselves as the Nominee, I now see the Democratic Party as the #1 entity that must be dismantled.
The corruption that allows Pelosi to be House Speaker, and Biden to be the DNC's Nominee, must first be outed, and if not, then the entire Party and its power in DC must be destroyed.
The Democratic Party no longer represents anything that is positive for Americans. Open Borders do not help American citizens (it does help the Democratic Party get votes, and it helps corporations get cheap labor), the ACA was never affordable or caring for hard working Americans, it is not at all like the Social Healthcare system of Canada or the UK, it hurts more people than it helps... it makes the Insurance Corporations and Pharma Companies even richer.
When the Democratic Party is shattered, perhaps it can be rebuilt, perhaps it can be led by someone who will pioneer true change, but the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, they are relics of the worst of what DC has represented for the last 30 years and more... until they are swept out of power and replaced there will be no improvements for the people brought by the Democrats..Whom do you think would have made a better presidential nominee? Not a challenge - just curious!
I am not a Dem. However, I think they have a candidate that is front and center presently, actually, if he were a snake it would have bit them... Gov. Andrew Cuomo. I guess the DNC might have problems backing someone that has the same type of common sense Trump has, but a better way of expressing his ideas. I must say, Cuomo, would be able to go round after round with Trump. Biden, well not so much.
Well, I devoted an article to Warren, and one to Tulsi. You can read those to see where I stood on them at that time.
I rescind my support for Warren however, she proved false, or became a sellout, her attack on Bernie, among other recent decisions and actions, turned me from her.
I didn't support Bernie and never would, some of the reason for that you can read in the Warren article. However, Warren's attack on him, during the CNN debate was contrived and calculated, there was no reason for it other than her agreeing to do the DNC's bidding to try and stop his momentum... and that is something only someone who is beholden to the corrupt cronies in DC would do.
I also came around to liking Andrew Yang, as it so happens the DNC did a character assassination on Tulsi, bringing out Clinton to disparage her and call her a Russian puppet. And they marginalized Yang and later ensured he didn't have a platform in the later debates.
Our species is a mess.
"Doctors Say Hospitals Are Stopping Them From Wearing Masks"
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/82520020 … ring-masksA quieter world these days..., https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc … se/609316/
You gotta check out the Trump bot, bird brained, Bobsie Twins, "Diamond and Siik" with their claim that we all must expose our selves to one another in the open to obtain a form of immunity to the virus. Twitter shut them both down, straight away.
Fox News have provided the strumpet pair with the standard 30 pieces of silver to mislead and betray everyone.
And it has been shown to be a fact that Trump asked for medical advice regarding the "miracle drug" Trump has been pitching for from the celebrity quack, Dr. Oz, who was behind the Acai berry hype a few years ago. Seems that with each passing day the medical professionals including the CDC have been ever more reluctant to support the drug as an effective treatment for COVID-19.I better get back to binging on the news Cred. With each passing day, I am hearing more and more support for the drug's use. So I must have missed something during my Science Channel hours.
What do you think we will hear about it 14 days from now?That's funny, GA, they both can't be true.
I think that within 14 days the last ditch "cure" will be completely discredited. Remember, that you heard it here first.Hi Cred,
I think GA (and myself) are unsure as to what "cure" you are talking about.
Trump touted hydroxychloroquine as something that could be used to treat Covid-19 but not "cure" it.
He was suggesting this because:
Mar 20, 2020 - Studies in China and France have examined the effectiveness of anti-malarial drugs, including chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine that suggests the positive effects of hydroxychloroquine in reducing both the duration and symptoms of COVID-19 in combination with an antibiotic called azithromycin.
Trump brought this up, Trump asked the FDA to fast track it and allow hospitals to try it (probably on their worst cases that had little other hope).
Everything else you may have heard is fabrication and falsehoods fed by an out of control media that seems to be intent on spreading the hysteria rather than helping spread worthwhile information.
As it seems, based on what I read here lately, that only those who tune into TV News on a regular basis seem to believe such crazy falsehoods.
Although, to be fair, a recent article in the NY Times (in regards to Trump having stock in a company that makes the drug) are pushing fabrications and falsehoods to a level that should make even CNN envious.Why would the preponderance of Media be spreading falsehood, Ken?
Is it possible that Trump is spreading the falsehoods, instead?
What do you consider "worthwhile" information? Does it have to come from Fox or Breitbart?
I give little to no credibility to any right wing oriented news outlet.
Trump falls woefully short of true leadership in this time of crisis. Cmon, Ken, he basically is a jerk and you are not surprised that he is perceived this way?
And when I think of what competent men as President did when their moment came, 9-11, or Pearl Harbor, Trump has been an embarrassment.
As for hydroxychloroquine, there has been a lot of hype and most has been negative. No, I neither trust Trump nor believe anything he says without strong outside corroborating evidence to support It.
Blaming Obama, now how cowardly is that?President Trump is doing a wonderful job handling this crisis. If it were not for his action shutting our borders to China alone has save so many lives. He was criticized by the Dems, WHO and the bias left media for that very action.
You need to open your eyes to facts, your media is keeping you from the truth, and pounding you with lies.Sharlee, I have been reading this forum from afar and following your posts. I totally agree that President Trump is doing a great job. I freely admit to watching Fox News because they're the only network that tells the truth about President Trump. I was brought up in a world where it's just impolite and wrong to criticize the President. Whether he's a Democrat or a Republican, he's our leader. All the Democrats want to do is bash President Trump while the Republicans want to solve this pandemic and get America and Americans back on their feet. President Trump has never said a false word about this pandemic and he's always putting Americans first.
Don't let the liars and TDS sufferers get you down. And don't be embarrassed about watching Fox.Well said, I have faith that most Americans can see the reality.
Or as Lucas would say, its a Clown show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3TVmzwSuDAShe was being sarcastic, Ken. You'd know this if you've had any experience with her posts in the past.
You shut up, Randy. Why would I follow the MSM when there's this Lucas guy on Youtube who clearly knows more than any of your liberal talking heads.
Your sarcasm isn't fooling anyone, Sycho. Well, perhaps Ken and Shar fell for it...
No, I realized immediately she was trying to be sarcastic. I detected an ass-clown that head was spinning and just needed to say something, anything. LOL
So, I checked out a few of her articles. Less leave it at that. Well, less not... I could see her dislike for Republicans via her silly articles and her uncalled for rants against anything conservative. No, she is one of yours, that was very apparent. Good addition I would say, she certainly is worth a laugh or two. Your herd is expanding, with this one you might want to deny membership.She's a longtime forum poster known for her silly comments, Shar. Not part of my "herd." Ken likes her though!
Sorry Randy but I agree with you. These Trump supporters would love nothing more than to turn all of us into their cash mules. We do the work, they do the mooching.
I have a number of FB friends who are hot to cut off all of the moocher states from our donor state tax dollars.
It is not as difficult to do as some think and it would protect what we already paid into SS, Medicare and Medicaid, these moochers live off for their phony "disability" so they don't have to work.
The reality is that the Maggot in Chief dumped this management of this virus on governors which put them in control and now he is livid that he cannot tell them when to reopen their states.
When you hear the Maggot say, "I have total authority," he sealed his fate with voters. No he does not. The only law we have comes from the Constitution. He is ONLY part of 1 of 3 branches of government under the Constitution and has NO total authority.
Trump knows his days are numbered. The proof is the fact that he went into a rage when Bernie Sanders endorse Biden. Trump was so sure he would get all of the Sanders voters.
Trump is nothing more than a figment of his own deluded imagination. His days of "total authority" are over.
And if you had any clue about how I really perceive things, especially where politics are concerned, you might have figured out the demeanor in which I made that post.
Who is Lucas and why should anyone care what he says?
I dunno, why should anyone care what you say?
I actually was making the point in my comment to CREDENCE2 that I actually do not watch "talk jocks" that would include Fox, CNN or MSNBC. I find all three pander to the unintelligent. Featuring nothing but what one might refer to as Hype or better yet Herd feed. They are what attributes to the Dumbing down of liberals. BAH BAH Open up wide...
I resent that, conservatives are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. Liberals will never be mesmerized to follow one man blindly without question...
You mean like Bill Clinton? Like how liberals still to this day overlook all the sexual assaults of their President? Heck, they still worship him and he's the same guy who harassed his intern.
Regardless, at least he was competent on the job, that's a lot more than I can say about your precious Trump.
And you can believe that he will be rated 44 on the rock bottom relative to the 44 men that served in the office of the President since the Republic's founding, by every renown historian worth his or her salt.
That sir, is a perfect example of opinion, not fact.
When its all said and done, there will be more statues to Trump than any other President, they will make a new monument for him on the Washington Mall, they will likely rename the Washington Mall in his honor. He will go down as the greatest President, and those who opposed him during his first term as traitors to the nation.
Like with the Bush family, his son will go on to become President after him, and then one of his daughters will be the first woman President, eventually Trump will become synonymous with President.And the White House will sport "TRUMP" in giant solid gold letters.
Good God, are you delirious? you can't be serious about that comment, Ken.
Oh no, completely serious, I think I have a good bead on the pulse of the American people.
And lets consider that the Democrats are in disarray, and wasting what political clout they have attacking the President, and investigating the President, DURING (in the very midst) of the crisis.
That would be like trying to investigate FDR right after Pearl Harbor, or Bush right after 9/11. You don't play politics as usual as the country is collapsing around you... you have to be complete, total, utter idiots to do so.
And that is what the majority of Americans (save the few stalwart supporters of the faith) can see clearer than ever... this imbecilic effort of the left-wing media and DC lifer Democrats to continue their assault on Trump no matter how dire the situation the country is in.
You can shoot the messenger all you want, you can label me whatever you want, the man is a lock for 2020 no matter what now because of how inept and idiotic the Democrats are... they are pathetic and any honest person, even one who supports them, will admit it.
Biden is a senile old creep... Pelosi is an abomination... and it seem Schumer doesn't even know what is going on anymore. The Democratic leadership, if they keep doing their same tired old schtick will ensure the Trumps never lose that Office... I'm not sure there will ever be anyone other than a Trump in the White House for the remainder of my years.
When the alternative is the leadership and leaders the Democrats keep presenting to America... America realizes it has no choice, it HAS to be Trump the alternative is so corrupt and incompetent its unthinkable.ahhh . . . Cred, that was PrettyyPanther's comment you replied to.
Good God man, look before you leap! ;-)
GA
Got news for the hotcha Trump supporters. We all HEARD what he said, "I knew about this virus before anyone else." "It's a hoax." "It was created by the Dems."
You ignernts of the right don't get to erase from memory what we KNOW we heard him say and do.
Try again. When the right wing has to deny what we see and hear from that Maggot every day, you know they are suffering from their own massive guilt.
That's why they run and beat those Bibles. 90% of the right wing are former drunks and druggies who are desperate for attention.
Not unlike Trump who must always play to an audience no matter who dares to upstage that dumb maggot with expertise this Queens NY relic of his Manhattan coke nose days in the clubs, doesn't have and never will.
His supporters are as stupid and ignorant as he is. Those who attended the schools Trump attended are so ashamed to even admit the names of the school they and the Maggot in Chief attended.
MAGA: Make America GAG again
Gee Ken, are you serious? I hope not, but if so, this explains a lot about your opinions.
Giving back as well as she gave... I am in no way going to be rolled over by a rude uncalled for comment. I meant to use the word a liberal, and not direct my comment at anyone but her. I do not intend to apologize for my opinion of this person or calling her a liberal. She was clearly making an attempt to openly insult me without any provocation, due to what she felt my political views are. Well my perception of her is that she is a far-left person that thinks she can openly insult another view. Well, I don't play that game. And yes I attribute her attitude to that of a far-left liberal. I have witnessed this kind of behavior for three years now. My opinion, and I am sticking to it.
We differ in the opinion it's clearly liberals being mesmerized, many are mesmerized into following bias media that dish up propaganda daily. So, much of what can be proven as propaganda, yet liberals continue to spread it even after the reports have been proven to be false.
For instance, we have been discussing Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. It was clear where you were getting your opinion of these drugs. And it is also clear the liberal media is downplaying these drugs just due to Trump talking about them. This is unfortunate due to the fact some that who might have COVID might decide not to take the drug due to listening to bias talk jocks that have done little to no research in regard to the drug. This kind of media is dangerous and appears to care less about the death toll if they can bash Trump for pushing the drug. This kind of media infuriates me, and it should you too...Well, Sharlee, you should have used a "liberal" instead of your broad brush. Because I don't like conservatives or rightwingers much as well, I will use the terms sparingly and not have them replace the xpletives I think about when they come to mind.
No one is here to insult you, Sharlee.
Yes, we differ in opinion and always will. I come from and was raised under a differing set of realities than you.
I attribute the attitudes of those of the Right to negative tendencies. You say liberals are mesmerized, I say the same about conservatives. Is your assessment any better than mine? Depends on your point of view, doesn't it? And believe me, I was not born yesterday, nor fell from a turnip truck.
How can we be sure that the media you use for your sources are not biased? Is it just because you say so?
No, it is not clear where I am getting the information about the drugs and you really don't know what my sources are, now do you?
I say Trump has been guilty of mismanaging the crisis from the outset. Yes, I will defer to your background in the medical area to a certain extent, but if you are right wing as well it can distort anyone's good judgement.
Regardless, Trump is a jerk in my opinion and he blames the media for actions that he himself does and brings upon himself. You will always have the right to hold an alternate opinion.
Trump does not want ANY criticism, and that is why I want a vigorous and energetic press to keep the spotlight on our leadership at all times. If the man was not such a insecure, petty person, he would recognize that. Our truly great leaders did. And if the Right considers this a threat, all I can say is "too bad".
As I said, use everything and anything that can have any affect on the virus. Just make sure that you are honest with me about each and every prospect.You don't like rude but you support Trump? Are you deaf, dumb and blind? If you ever have seen him in person, you would know what an obnoxious, rude, lewd dirtbag he really is
The only time I saw him in person was in front of the Taj Mahal Casino he owned here in NJ. He was with 2 Arab high rollers who exited his big grey helicopter on the old diving horse part of the boardwalk. The 3 got into a stretch limo and drove less than a tenth of a mile to the Taj.
When he got out of the limo with his 2 Arab friends, I saw him stand and wait for a crowd to gather around him. Not that more than a handful did.
He lies about his height and likely wears lifts. Either that or the 2 Arabs he was with are giants.
When he finally went into the Taj, again he waited for a crowd. I thought then as I do now that Trump is nothing more than an audience hog.
He took the 2 Arabs into a private entrance to the VIP room upstairs.
In 2014, he got a $10 million money laundering fine from FinCEN of the US Treasury after he ignored 3 warnings to cease and desist.
When you live in NJ as I have my entire life, there is NOTHING you don't know about Trump.After following your post and after reading this doozy I think you have a real problem, just my opinion. One I am not going to be caught up in. LOL
Congrats! You figured it out! We all have a real problem and the cure is ridding ourselves of the sleazy con man currently occupyimg White House.
Not sure where you are coming from. I certainly did not approach her with a comment. I just wanted to let her know I am not intending to be caught up with any replies to her.
I have the right to choose what comments respond to. You say "we" do you speak for all or even most that post here?It was just a flippant remark in response to yours, not to be taken seriously even though I meant every word I said about what is the real problem.
I think I know your feelings on all Trump. They are carved in stone, And that's OK... Sculptures are a form of expression.
Oh, I'm so sorry. I just was so excited to find somebody who shares my opinion of President Trump, certainly the greatest President of the last 100 years. And certainly a man who realizes that America is for Americans. I guess I just find that Fox's view of Trump aligns with my own and the MSM's doesn't.
Shar, I think "unintelligent" is too harsh. Easily manipulated or easily duped, would be more apt.
The 'you can fool some of the people all of the time' category of folk.One must give some credit for the sheer fact some continue to be able to keep taking in the feed without even questioning its validity. Remarkable. Plus, think how hard it is for some to keep a conversation going when so cornered constantly with facts.
It appears you hope this drug will not help people that are experiencing respiratory distress. In my view, this shows you just hope to be right... And could care less about anyone that is suffering. As if you hope for more death so you can be right. You lack empathy.
Hopefully, you read the information I left for you in regards to the drug and take the time to read it. No one is calling it a "last-ditch cure". It's being used to denature the virus's effect on the lungs. It has anti-inflammatory properties that help inflamed lungs. Doctor's are having good results using the drug to help Covid19 Pts.
It's clear you are getting your info from talk jocks. You need to do your own research. You sound ill-educated on the drug.Wow, he lacks empathy? I'm sure all but the most craven of people would be happy to see this drug work for COVID-19 patients. However, the scientific evidence is just not there yet.
And you are correct about scientific evidence in regard to its use in COVID cases. Although there is good scientific evidence that it helps with many illnesses that cause different forms of inflammation. There are also many physicians that are using it right now because they feel it is beneficial to help with the symptoms of COVID. This is one reason the Gov of New York, Mich, and many others have requested it for use in hospitals due to Physician requests.
So, yes you are correct as of yet there are no scientific studies that show it works in treating COVID.
Diamond and Silks twitter statement - "The only way we can become immune to the environment; we must be out in the environment. Quarantining people inside of their houses for extended periods will make people sick!"
I don't see the word COVID19 or Coronavirus in the statement.
And to be so rude to call them derogatory vulgar names is uncalled for. Oh, forgot you do this often and it's apparent you feel you have the right to do this, and others must put up your comments.
In regard to "Miracle drug"
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, but preliminary research in human and primate cells suggests that the drugs could effectively treat COVID-19.
A 2005 study found that chloroquine could quell the spread of SARS-CoV when applied to infected human cells in culture. SARS-CoV is closely related to the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, and caused an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome in 2002. Chloroquine disrupts the ability of the SARS-CoV virus to enter and replicate in human cells, Live Science previously reported. The cell culture studies of SARS-CoV-2 revealed that the drug and its derivative hydroxychloroquine undermine the novel virus' replication in a similar way.
Doctors in China, South Korea, France and the U.S. are now giving the drug to some patients with COVID-19 with promising, albeit anecdotal, results so far. The FDA is organizing a formal clinical trial of the drug.
As of Feb. 23, seven clinical trials had been registered in the Chinese Clinical Trial Registry to test whether COVID-19 infections could be treated with hydroxychloroquine. In addition, the University of Minnesota is studying whether taking hydroxychloroquine can protect people living with infected COVID-19 patients from catching the virus themselves.
In one heavily referenced study, conducted in France, a small number of patients with COVID-19 received either hydroxychloroquine alone or hydroxychloroquine in combination with an antibiotic called azithromycin. The authors reported that detectable concentrations of SARS-CoV-2 fell significantly faster in the study participants than coronavirus patients at other French hospitals who did not receive either drug. In six patients also given azithromycin, this promising effect appeared to be amplified.
However, the CDC noted that the small, non-randomized study "did not assess clinical benefit[s]" associated with the treatment; in other words, the study did not probe whether the treated patients were more likely to recover and survive their illness. Additionally, the agency advised that doctors should be cautious when giving either drug to patients with chronic disease, such as kidney failure, and especially those "who are receiving medications that might interact to cause arrhythmias.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus … ments.html
Uses
Hydroxychloroquine is used to prevent or treat malaria caused by mosquito bites. The United States Center for Disease Control provides updated guidelines and travel recommendations for the prevention and treatment of malaria in different parts of the world. Discuss the most recent information with your doctor before traveling to areas where malaria occurs.
This medication is also used to treat certain auto-immune diseases (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis). It belongs to a class of medications known as disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs (DMARDs). It can reduce skin problems in lupus and prevent swelling/pain in arthritis.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482 … al/details
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a … ril-7-2020
FDA
"Diagnostics update to date:
During the COVID-19 pandemic, the FDA has worked with more than 270 test developers who have said they will be submitting emergency use authorizations (EUA) requests to FDA for tests that detect the virus."
Perhaps you should take up your concerns about the uses of Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate.
This drug is saving lives. It has been around for many years and gives good results when used in many autoimmune conditions. FACTI apologize for that slip of the tongue regarding Diamond and Silk, but their actions were uncalled for and irresponsible.
I have plenty of empathy, I don't like false hope and snake oil. I, too, look to the science as the guide and if there is not scientific evidence that it is effective, what is this all about? I want the truth and not hype. I am for making available anything and everything possible to stem the infections and body counts.
You are a nurse on the front line, I presume as you say, and you are in a better position than I to evaluate the efficacy of this drug. But, science is science and at the end of the day, that is the only source and authority that I am interested in.
Rather than more death, I want more truth something in short supply from this administration and its hatchet men (and woman).
I don't trust this man, Trump, nor his supporters to do the right thing in regards to this crisis. So, I will just wait and see and hope for the best.
In fairness, I will read your link and evaluate the information therein and the sources in a critical manner, you would respect no less?I have throughout my career witnessed many that held on to false hope. What I felt was they did so to cope, sometimes just working their way through their fears slowly until they realized there was no hope.
In regard to evidence, the only evidence we have is that many physicians are using it, and requesting more to treat PT. This only indicates that it may be working. We won't really know until some Docs step up and give us their opinions. Not sure why some journalist has not found this a story to pursue.
I can't say why Trump is constantly talking the drug up. You claim you don't trust the president or anyone that supports him to do the right thing. I am not sure what you feel the president could have done any differently. I have researched the timeline and all he has done. It would seem he has done a very good job, from closing the borers, putting together a good task force, and pretty much closing the country down.
The only downfall was that the pandemic stores were not up to pare. The fact is they have not been for many years. This could have happened to many of our past presidents. One thing at this point we will now have proper pandemic supplies stored, and most likely kept up.
The president has handled getting supplies quickly. He has literally pulled out all stops. I am not sure what else you could imagine he should do.
I am at this point retired but due to Michigan becoming a hotspot I have volunteered two shifts a week at this point I have not been called in.I mentioned to another person who is so caught up in his hate for Trump he cannot see anything else, to disconnect from CNN and MSNBC and yes FOX as well... in general disconnect from Cable news alltogether.
Find alternative sources of getting your news/facts:
https://www.youtube.com/user/WSJDigitalNetwork
https://www.youtube.com/user/EconomistMagazine
https://www.youtube.com/user/AlJazeeraEnglish
https://www.youtube.com/user/forbes
There are a great many sources to get news/facts from... you DON'T get facts or truth from CNN or MSNBC you get propaganda, you get bias, you get programmed, you get duped into believing falsehoods.
Until you figure that out, you will be an angry man pissed off at all the wrong people, for all the wrong reasons.Ken, seriously, why do you presume that I get my facts from the news outlets mentioned? It just seems to me that those that take a right wing view of things have access to the correct information and the rest of us are foolishly misled? I gather my information from a variety of sources. There are plenty of left wing oriented posters here, are they all sheep as well?
Short of your being there, your perception of events,heroes and villains is your opinion. Many of us differ from that and it is not because we are all uniformed as you imply. Conservatives are so hung up on absolutes, "I have to be right, so you must be wrong", well, there are not any, just differing and subjective opinion. Unless you were eyewitness to all you speak of, yours is just another opinion.
Are the news sources you speak of really factual or do they simply express an opinion that corresponds with what you want to hear?
Rest assured that I know exactly who and what I am pi$$ed over and why.
Alright, Sharlee, I read the portion where the FDA is working with all test developers. I see that,ok.
We are in a state of desperation, try anything and everything. I have no problems with that. But we are not going to resume our normal lives by Easter, are we? Who said that?I don't think our lives will be the same ever again. Just like 9/11 had a huge impact on the western world. It changed security risks, global power struggles, and wars.
The coronavirus will change the lives drastically as well. How I don't know. More work from home I guess. People who are now starting to work from home for their company could well be doing this after the crisis.
There will be a recession. Thousands/millions of jobs are already lost. The production, transportation, and consumption will probably be different.
The heavenly dependent oil industry is changing. Today solar power is cheaper than oil. Fracking is becoming too expansive. There is a lot of change in the fundamental structure of the world. The coronavirus could well be a blessing in disguise.I am concerned as the paucity in the marketplace these days is beginning to rise above mere inconvenience.
Telework is fate of workers from my former Federal employer.
I believe that the stimulus may prove to be inadequate to address the holes in people's pocketbooks.
My brother picked up a new Tesla Electric motorcar. He said that he could obtain a 250 mile range with the equivalent of 4 dollars worth of electric energy. I am still incredulous, have to go to the Tesla sight to see it for myself. If it puts a dent in the fossil fuel industry to some extent , that has got to be progress.
I sort of feel if it were my choice I would almost rather take a drug that has proved safe for many other inflammation conditions than a brand new one that may have been rushed to market due to a new virus. Being a nurse that has given Hydroxychloroquin to many per Dr orders, Pt some being children for juvenile arthritis I would rather go with it than a new drug with little testing.
I think the media has concentrated on one aspect of the drug. The point that it has not been used for COVID19, ignoring it has been being used on all ages for some 75 years. If I had COVID19 it would be what I would take immediately at first signs or symptoms.
I agree we are not going to resume our normal lives by Easter. Hopefully. it will be soon.
COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, is now the No. 1 cause of death in the U.S. -- killing more people on average per day than cancer or heart disease.
The virus is the cause of 1,970 deaths in the U.S. per day, according to a graph published Tuesday by Dr. Maria Danilychev, based in San Diego, Calif. In comparison, the graph shows 1,774 deaths per day are attributed to heart disease and 1,641 to cancer, according to Newsweek.
Just a week ago, the graph, which cites the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Worldmeters.info as sources -- showed COVID-19 as the third leading cause of death, averaging roughly 975 fatalities per day.
On March 22, it showed COVID-19's daily death rate starting to surge, passing flu and pneumonia and suicide, as well as liver and kidney disease.
FOXNEWSFrom the same article,
While the death rate has increased, reports have shown hospitalizations have decreased in some areas of the U.S. Cuomo added that hospitalization rates in New York have slowed due to social distancing measures.
"Our efforts are working," he said according to NPR. "They're working better than anyone projected they would work. That's because people are complying with them."
Meanwhile, Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that based on newer data, U.S. deaths will be lower than the original projection of 100,000 to 240,000 total deaths. A decrease in daily death rates usually lags behind hospitalization rates."Trump knew about this virus in November and said nothing. He has blood on his hands because he never once allowed anyone to prepare for what has now become a pandemic.
He only bothered to go public when the evidence of deaths from COVID-19 in Washington state went viral. Then the MAGGOT in Chief knew he could no longer ignore ALL the warnings even those from his own staff.
This will never be a one party government. Come 2021, Trump will end up being the first occupant of the White House to go to prison. Which by the way he so richly deserves for HIS negligence that caused needless deaths.
Instead of Benghazi, Benghazi Bengahzi, Now what goes around comes around..The Virus The Virus The Virus.
As if any American who has suffered the deaths of loved ones need a reminder?
That's rich!
For weeks, Trump was downplaying the threat of Covid-19. You and others here of course follow the lead. All of you see no fault in Trump, is everybody's fault except Trump. China, the media, Democrats, WHO, governors... who else?
SMH"And if you want a test, you can get one." This was weeks ago and it's still a lie today. But who cares?
As did Nancy and Joe downplay the virus------ Nancy encouraged Americans to get out to restaurants. The president formed his opinion on the information he was getting. And yes, I blame WHO, and China for the problem that exists today. Not sure where you have gotten your opinion I have blamed the Dems, media, gov, etc. I believe our government was not informed by China of the human to human spread and the severity of the spread, I also put some of the blame on WHO. They actually did not want to close our borders to China. That is a well-known fact. I can't speak for others, but I hope that clarifies my feelings in regard to who I direct some of the blame. what I have offered is factual.
I have stated I think Trump is doing a good job. I have not defended or criticized his many comments some have found offensive. I find this disruptive and at the end to me should matter little at this point. In the end, I am looking for a crisis to be handled to help all involved. So, far I am very satisfied. I think the president has provided those results.
"All of you see no fault in Trump, is everybody's fault except Trump. China, the media, Democrats, WHO, governors... who else?"
You seem to have taken it upon yourself to assume what I see...We don't have to assume. You describe your complete trust in and devotion to Daddy Trump quite eloquently.
"Daddy Trump?" That sounds kinda creepy, Sandy!
In the case of this crisis, I have claimed I am very pleased with Trump's job performance. It is your assumption "I have a devotion to Trump". I have never made such a claim. This is where I have a problem with some that post here thought process. I can see some have the innate habit of taking a statement out of context and elaborating on its meaning. First I was responding to the subject of IB's comment.
But, let me repeat what I expressed in the comment you have just replied to in my regard to how I feel about Trump's handling of the virus crisis. Not sure where you picked up I have devotion to the president from that statement.
"I have stated I think Trump is doing a good job. I have not defended or criticized his many comments some have found offensive. I find this disruptive and at the end to me should matter little at this point. In the end, I am looking for a crisis to be handled to help all involved. So, far I am very satisfied. I think the president has provided those results."
Not sure where you ascertained I was showing "devotion" to the
President, I was giving my honest opinion on the subject at hand.
It is no secret I voted for Trump, and will again due to being very pleased with his accomplishment. No devotion, I am devoted to my husband, my family, my friends. The president I am just more than satisfied with his job performance.
Who cares what the bottle blonde Ivanka wannabees find offensive? Trump is as illegitimate today as he was the minute Mommy Mary Ann allowed him to exit the birth canal.
It IS the job of a president to lead. That is what the financially dependent clinging vine women expected of Obama.
Now, they want a money laundering grifter who thinks he is the "total" authority to dump HIS job on the governors?
Why pay federal taxes for Trump to play golf every weekend and then refuse to part with federal funding WE OWN because WE paid those taxes?
Why is it women who live in the moocher states have zero brains?Rant Much?
First, let me reorient you to the subject of my post. I would have thought you would reply to the subject.
I have made no mention of Ivanka,Trump's mother, Obama or dependent women. Nor did I make mention of Trump golfing.
My comment was how Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden saw fit to handle the COVID19 crisis. Trump stopped travel from China and weeks latter Nancy encouraged us all to get out enjoy restaurants and Join her in China Town, callingTrump a racist for stopping travel from China.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/n … n/2240247/
How about you respond to that... Facts are harder to swallow than CNN Bylines.
Tip -- You need to follow a conversation before adding your comment. What you posted was nonrelevant to the subject.
I hope everyone does realize the H1N1 virus of 2009 was just as bad and in many ways worse. Nothing was closed. I always have to question why it was no big deal then. You didn't see it at the top of the news cycle or weeks. Why is this so different from 2009?
Just another opinion in the offing, Mike why do you think it is any different? You don't really think that the liberal press stirred all of this up and both Republicans and Democrats in Congress went along with the "pressure" to shut down, do you?
Coronavirus, when compared with H1N1 has proven to be more contagious, having a higher rate of fatalities for those infected, match that with Trump lack of preparedness as opposed to how a similar event was handled under Obama, there is your answer.
https://www.propublica.org/article/no-p … flu-eitherI have already gone down that road. And as a nurse that worked that Flu, I can tell you plenty died, young and old. And we that worked it will never forget. This virus will be around for a couple of years until a vaccine is developed. Itis not realistic to think we can protect the world from a virus by closing it down. It will return in the fall, and most likely the year after next. By then we will have a vaccine. We need to build immunity over time as we have to every other virus. Closing for a while decreased the death toll. And yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down... Go figure. Wonder why the Government did not take H1N1 seriously, it killed children our most vulnerable. I just can't understand the logic of some.
What, exactly, did Trump shut down? Governors are the ones who took this seriously. My governor in Oregon shut down schools and issued stay at home orders while Trump was still minimizing the crisis. Did he issue orders I am not aware of?
I did not say Trump closed the country down. He did declare the COVID-19 outbreak a national emergency on March 13, the exact day Your Gov, Bown ordered the schools to be closed as of Mon, March 15th.
Yes, it is up to the Gov. to protect the residents of their state's health threats. It certainly appears due to the date Gov. Brown was quick to take the situation seriously at that point. It appears she lagged at making the decision to put out a stay at home order.
March 23,
"Days after saying she wouldn’t order Oregonians largely to remain at home to slow the spread of the coronavirus, Gov. Kate Brown did just that Monday." here is a link that gives an accurate timeline to what the
The government has done to date.
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlig … -Timeline/"And yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down... Go figure."
So what did he shut down?The figure of speech. Caught the media bug. You know the one that keeps them constantly asking Trump every day --- " when will you be opening the country" What date will you be opening the country". Will you listen to the doctor's when making your decision to open up the country"... Etc.
Trump has made it very clear he was leaving the decisions up to the Governors in regards to taking measures to protect their citizens.
And you know what, most of the Gov. did not issue a stay-at-home order until a couple of weeks after Trump declared the COVID19 virus a National Emergency. Yet many of the Dem gov are the first to make accusations about how Trump is handling the crisis.Sort of hypocritical.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/us/coron … index.html
I guess I have a problem reading your posts. It seems I take your words to mean what they say.
"and yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down... "
I read that to mean that Trump shut down the virus. Of course, that really hasn't yet hampered but pretty much all of the leadership and action has come from governors, not Trump.As I have pointed out before, you are not reading the sentence before and after. Doing this would provide you with the context of the comment. I must say kind of comprehension is an epidemic nowadays. It's what leads to fake news.
"Closing for a while decreased the death toll. And yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down..".
So, after reading my comment do you still think after me stating "closing for a while decreased the death toll". means I was trying to conveying shutting down the virus?
And as I just informed Randy most all of the Governors some only in the first week of April ordered their citizens to stay-at-home. In my opinion, this does not bode well for some Gov. Many did not heed the seriousness of the virus. No, the leadership has not come from governors, most had insufficient stockpiles equipment PPEs etc. As did Trump... But Trump pulled together a team worked diligently to do his very best to provide any state that needed help with not only needed "stuff" but had our Military build field Hospitals anywhere they were needed. Need I go on? I provided you a link to a timeline, why not have a "look-see"?
Give credit where it's due or don't.Okay, if you're not saying Trump shut down the country, and you're not saying he shut down the virus, what are you saying he shut down?
Let me use one of your favorite replies -- OK
OR-- Maybe we let this one go and wait for Trump to open it up. Because actually he will be the one that determines that too.Is there some reason you don't want to clarify what you said, because I am genuinely at a loss.
No, there is no reason I don't want to reclarify my thoughts on my uses of the words "shut it down. Perhaps you missed my first explanation or perhaps you want the short version I was using sarcasm, the figure of speech the media has been using daily.
"The figure of speech. Caught the media bug. You know the one that keeps them constantly asking Trump every day --- " when will you be opening the country" What date will you be opening the country". Will you listen to the doctor's when making your decision to open up the country"... Etc.
Trump has made it very clear he was leaving the decisions up to the Governors in regards to taking measures to protect their citizens.
And you know what, most of the Gov. did not issue a stay-at-home order until a couple of weeks after Trump declared the COVID19 virus a National Emergency. Yet many of the Dem gov are the first to make accusations about how Trump is handling the crisis. Sort of hypocritical".Yep, Trump doing a great job.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump … ronavirus/
Jan. 22: "We have it totally under control".
That was his line for about a month, probably because he didn't understand the math. Amazing that he gave that advice. Everyone go about their normal lives. There's nothing wrong.
How much devastation have we seen as a result?
The words "criminal incompetence" come to mind.Sorry, I don't let anyone dictate what I determine what I think. I watch, listen and see results. Just old fashion that way.
As of Jan 22 he had not been provided any information from Who or CDC that would not indicate we did not have the situation under control. Did you ever have a look at the timeline links
I have provided over and over?
I have to say this --- You just don't be able to comprehend facts.
I am not disputing Trump made several comments before he was made aware of this seriousness of the virus. I have tried to point out a timeline, what he knew when. I have pointed out how many in Washington made similar comments at the precise same time due to not themselves knowing the severity of the virus.
It is certainly your progenitive to feel Trump has handled this crisis poorly. As I have said, just to keep it polite... We have different ways of processing information. I tend to stick to the letter of facts. You appear to look to what-ifs. You should be able to realize that's oil and vinegar.
My timelines provided you with dates, when Trump was made aware of what. Unless you are disputing the Government provided information? For weeks Trump was under the impression the virus would cause no problem to the country by those he trusted to keep him informed.You just don’t be able to construct a sentence.
Do I really have to provide links showing how many experts knew what was going on? Even people in Trump’s own cabinet?
You appear to be the one who doesn’t understand facts. “Under control” was his position for more than a month.For weeks Trump was under the impression the virus would cause no problem to the country by those he trusted to keep him informed.
"I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic, all you had to do is look at other countries." DT
Ha."I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic, all you had to do is look at other countries." DT'
Do you have a problem with Trump offering his opinion? I would find it unacceptable if he acted on his opinion alone. He certainly has no eduction in the epidemiology of Virology. He listened to those that are task to keep him informed of any health problems that could develop. He certainly played it down in the first weeks. But, not sure that after he was informed of the very seriousness of the problem he purposely made any statements to downplay the seriousness of the problem. I think the actions he took from our first case of COVID19 indicated he took it very seriously as it progressed even more seriously. The timeline of his action speak loudly in my opinion.
I take that statement as an afterthought opinion he gave it on Mach 17th . Timeline matters and I can see the media has given little information on dates when it comes to when Trump's statements were made. When Trump made that statement on March 17th it was after March 11th when WHO declares the virus a pandemic. We had by then had 40 deaths and 1,267 cases. I don't find him thought anything but an opinion, at that point we had a growing problem and could have been seen as a pandemic.
Have you not noted most articles where Trump's statements are provided no dates are given?Try this, Shar.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump … ronavirus/That is the link I am quoting. please note as I said tried to prove in my comment the article although gives the date of trump statement, it gives no indication on the timeline of what Trump knew at the time he gave each statement. This should be very important to most.
Take that statement as an afterthought opinion he gave it on Mach 17th . Timeline matters and I can see the media has given little information on dates when it comes to when Trump's statements were made. When Trump made that statement on March 17th it was after March 11th when WHO declares the virus a pandemic. We had by then had 40 deaths and 1,267 cases. I don't find him thought anything but an opinion, at that point we had a growing problem and could have been seen as a pandemic.
Another good example His Jan22 statement Trump claims
"We have it totally under control.
At that point
The first known case of COVID-19 in the U.S. was confirmed on January 20, 2020.
WHO declared COVID19 a pandemic on March 11.
HERE IS A GOOD TIMELINE ON WHEN AND WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS DONE IN REGARDS TO HANDLING THIS CRISIS. TIMELINE SHOULD MATTER.
December 31: China reports the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization.
January 3: CDC Director Robert Redfield sent an email to the director of the Chinese CDC, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus.
January 5: CDC Director Redfield sent another email to the Chinese CDC Director, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak,
January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus.
January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus.
January 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China.
January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles.
January 20: Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus.
January 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response.
January 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test.
January 27: President Trump tweeted that he made an offer to President Xi Jinping to send experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak.
January 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus.
January 27: The White House Coronavirus Task Force started meeting to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President.
January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President.
January 31: The Trump Administration:
Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.
Announced Chinese travel restrictions.
Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.
January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports.
February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.
February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus.
February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.
February 7: President Trump told reporters that the CDC is working with China on the coronavirus.
February 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington.
February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.
February 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.
February 12: The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government.
February 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.
February 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections.
February 22: A WHO team of international experts arrives in Wuhan, China.
February 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.
February 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India.
February 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications.
February 29: The Trump Administration:
Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea.
Barred all travel to Iran.
Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days.
March 3: The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.”
March 3: The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus.
March 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of approximately 500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.
March 4: Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus.
March 6: President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak.
The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions.
March 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus.
March 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing.
March 11: President Trump:
Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days.
Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50 billion.
Directed the Treasury Department to defer tax payments for affected individuals & businesses, & provide $200 billion in “additional liquidity.”
Met with American bankers at the White House to discuss coronavirus.
March 13: President Trump declared a national emergency in order to access $42 billion in existing funds to combat the coronavirus.
March 13: President Trump announced:
Public-private partnerships to open up drive-through testing collection sites.
A pause on interest payments on federal student loans.
An order to the Department of Energy to purchase oil for the strategic petroleum reserve.
March 13: The Food & Drug Administration:
Granted Roche AG an emergency approval for automated coronavirus testing kits.
Issued an emergency approval to Thermo Fisher for a coronavirus test within 24 hours of receiving the request.
March 13: HHS announced funding for the development of two new rapid diagnostic tests, which would be able to detect coronavirus in approximately 1 hour.
March 14: The Coronavirus Relief Bill passed the House of Representatives.
March 14: The Trump Administration announced the European travel ban will extend to the UK and Ireland.
March 15: HHS announced it is projected to have 1.9 million COVID-19 tests available in 2,000 labs this week.
March 15: Google announced a partnership with the Trump Administration to develop a website dedicated to coronavirus education, prevention, & local resources.
March 15: All 50 states were contacted through FEMA to coordinate “federally-supported, state-led efforts” to end coronavirus.
March 16: President Trump:
Held a tele-conference with governors to discuss coronavirus preparedness and response.
Participated in a call with G7 leaders who committed to increasing coordination in response to the coronavirus and restoring global economic confidence.
Announced that the first potential vaccine for coronavirus has entered a phase one trial in a record amount of time.
Announced “15 days to slow the spread” coronavirus guidance.
March 16: The FDA announced it was empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by labs in their states.
March 16: Asst. Secretary for Health confirmed the availability of 1 million coronavirus tests, and projected 2 million tests available the next week and 5 million the following.
March 17: President Trump announced:
CMS will expand telehealth benefits for Medicare beneficiaries.
Relevant Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act penalties will not be enforced.
The Army Corps of Engineers is on ”standby” to assist federal & state governments.
March 17: President Trump spoke to fast food executives from Wendy’s, McDonald’s and Burger King to discuss drive-thru services recommended by CDC
March 17: President Trump met with tourism industry representatives along with industrial supply, retail, and wholesale representatives.
March 17: Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin met with lawmakers to discuss stimulus measures to relieve the economic burden of coronavirus on certain industries, businesses, and American workers.
March 17: Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue announced a partnership between USDA, Baylor University, McLane Global, and Pepsi Co. to provide one million meals per weak to rural children in response to widespread school closures.
March 17: The Treasury Department:
Contributed $10 billion through the economic stabilization fund to the Federal Reserve’s commercial paper funding facility.
Deferred $300 billion in tax payments for 90 days without penalty, up to $1 million for individuals & $10 million for business.
March 17: The Department of Defense announced it will make available to HHS up to five million respirator masks and 2,000 ventilators.
March 18: President Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which provides free testing and paid sick leave for workers impacted by the coronavirus.
March 18: President Trump announced:
Temporary closure of the U.S.-Canada border to non-essential traffic.
Plans to invoke the Defense Production Act in order to increase the number of necessary supplies needed to combat coronavirus.
FEMA has been activated in every region at its highest level of response.
The U.S. Navy will deploy USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy hospital ships.
All foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for a period of time.
March 18: Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed:
1 million masks are now immediately available.
The Army Corps of Engineers is in NY consulting on how to best assist state officials.
March 18: HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines.
March 18: President Trump spoke to:
Doctors, physicians, and nurses on the front lines containing the spread of coronavirus.
130 CEOs of the Business Roundtable to discuss on-going public-private partnerships in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
March 19: President Trump announced:
Very encouraging progress shown by anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for fighting coronavirus.
Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for use as hospitals in impacted areas to use for non-coronavirus patients.
March 19: Vice President Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients.
March 19: The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus.
March 19: President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors.
March 20: The U.S. and Mexico agree to mutually restrict nonessential cross-border traffic.
March 20: Secretary Mnuchin announced at the direction of President Trump that tax day will be moved from April 15 to July 15 for all taxpayers and businesses.
March 20: President Trump:
Spoke with Sen. Schumer about coronavirus response & stimulus measures
Held a call with over 12,000 small business owners to discuss relief efforts
Announced the CDC will invoke Title 42 to provide border patrol with tools to secure the borders
March 20: The Department of Education announced it will:
Not enforce standardized testing requirements for the remainder of the school year
Allow federal student loan borrowers to stop payments without penalty for 60 days
March 20: Secretary Azar announced:
March 20: Secretary Azar announced:
FEMA is coordinating and assisting coronavirus testing at labs across the country
The CDC is suspending all illegal entries to the country based on the public health threat, via Section 362 of the Public Health & Security Act
March 20: Secretary Azar sent a letter to all 50 Governors that the federal government is buying and making available 200,000 testing swabs
March 21: Vice President Pence announced to date over 195,000 Americans tested for coronavirus and have received their results
March 21: The Trump Administration announced HHS placed an order for hundreds of millions of N95 masks through FEMA
March 21: The FDA announced it had given emergency approval to a new coronavirus test that delivers results in hours, with an intended rollout of March 30
March 21: Adm. Giroir confirmed 10 million testing kits had been put into the commercial market from March 2 through March 14
March 22: President Trump approved major disaster declarations for:
Washington State
California
March 22: President Trump announced:
Governors will remain in command of National Guard forces & the federal govt will fund 100% of operations cost
He directed the federal govt to provide 4 large federal medical stations with 2,000 beds for CA & 1,000 beds for NY & WA.
March 22: President Trump confirmed his administration was working with Peru & Honduras to return Americans stranded in both countries as a result of travel restrictions.
March 22: Vice President Pence announced:
The testing backlog will be resolved by midweek.
To date, over 254,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results.
March 22: President Trump announced that the USNS Mercy will be deployed to Los Angeles.
March 22: FEMA issued guidance for tribal governments to seek federal assistance under the President’s emergency declaration.
March 23: President Trump signed an executive order invoking section 4512 of the Defense Production Act to prohibit the hoarding of vital medical supplies.
March 23: VP Pence announced:
313,000 Americans were tested for the coronavirus & received results.
FEMA established a supply chain stabilization task force so Americans get supplies they need.
HHS will have commercial labs prioritize testing for hospitalized patients.
March 23: The White House Office of Science & Technology Policy announced a public-private consortium to:
Advance coronavirus research.
Provide access to computing technology and resources for researchers.
March 23: Attorney General Barr announced:
The Justice Department held a National Task Force meeting on hoarding and price gouging.
Each of the 93 U.S. Attorney General offices is designating a lead prosectuor to prevent hoarding.
March 23: President Trump announced HHS is working to designate essential medical supplies as “scarce” to prohibit hoarding of these items.
March 23: The Treasury Department announced it is working with the Federal Reserve to lend up to $300 billion to businesses and local governments.
March 24: President Trump announced the Army Corps of Engineers & the National Guard are constructing four hospitals and four medical centers in New York.
March 24: President Trump approved a major disaster declaration for the state of Iowa related to the coronavirus outbreak.
March 24: Vice President Pence:
Confirmed FEMA sent New York 2,000 ventilators.
Announced individuals who have recently been in New York should self-quarantine for 14 days.
March 24: Dr. Deborah Birx announced the U.S. has conducted more coronavirus tests in the last week than South Korea has over the prior eight weeks.
March 24: The U.S. Army issued orders for three army hospitals to deploy their health care professionals to New York and Washington state, at the direction of Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy.
March 25: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the #coronavirus outbreak
for:
Texas
Florida
North Carolina
March 25: President Trump & Vice President Pence held a conference call with 140 non-profit organization leaders, including The Salvation Army & The Red Cross, to discuss coronavirus response efforts.
March 25: President Trump signed a bill reauthorizing The Older Americans Act, which supports senior citizens by providing meals, transportation, and other crucial services.
March 25: Vice President Pence
Held a conference call with equipment manufacturers to discuss on-going coronavirus response efforts.
Announced 432,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received results.
Confirmed 4,000 ventilators were delivered to New York.
March 25: Vice President Pence held discussions with multiple governors, including the Governor of Indiana & the Governor of Michigan
March 26: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
Illinois
New Jersey
Maryland
Missouri
March 26: President Trump announced the USNS Comfort will depart for NYC on Saturday to assist in the coronavirus response – 3 weeks ahead of schedule!
March 26: President Trump participated in a video conference with the leaders of the G20 to discuss the global coronavirus response & the need for countries to share information and data on the spread of the virus.
March 26: President Trump held a phone call with Chinese President Xi Jinping to discuss the coronavirus.
March 26: Vice President Pence announced 552,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results.
March 26: Dr. Fauci announced the Federal Government is working with companies to speed up production of potential coronavirus vaccines while those drugs are still in the trial phase.
March 27: President Trump signed The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act into law.
March 27: President Trump signed a Defense Production Act memorandum ordering General Motors (GM) "to accept, perform, and prioritize federal contractors for ventilators.
March 27: President Trump signed an executive order allowing the military to activate members of the Selected Reserve and Ready Reserve to active duty to assist with the Federal response to the coronavirus.
March 27: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
South Carolina
Puerto Rico
March 27: President Trump appointed Office of Trade and Manufacturing policy director Peter Navarro to serve as the Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator.
March 27: President Trump announced that 100,000 ventilators are projected to be manufactured in the next 100 days, three times the amount typically manufactured in one year.
March 27: President Trump announced that Boeing offered the use of three "Dreamlifter" cargo air crafts to transport medical supplies across the country.
March 27: Partnering with FEMA, the CDC, and the Coronavirus Task Force, Apple released a coronavirus app which allows users to screen for their symptoms.
March 27: President Trump spoke with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the global coronavirus response and committed to helping provide ventilators to the U.K. where possible.
March 27: Vice President Pence announced that 685,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their test results.
March 27: Emory University began enrolling participants for a phase one clinical trial, sponsored by the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), of a new, potential coronavirus vaccine.
March 27: Emory University began enrolling participants for a phase one clinical trial, sponsored by the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), of a new, potential coronavirus vaccine.
March 27: FEMA Administrator Pete Gaynor spoke to the director of each of the state's emergency operations about the state-led, federally-supported coronavirus response effort.
March 27: The USNS Mercy arrived in the port of Los Angelse to help relieve the strain on hospital facilities in Southern California.
March 28: President Trump visited Norfolk, VA to send off the USNS Comfort to New York City where it will help relieve the strain on local hospitals.
March 28: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
Guam
Michigan
Massachusetts
Kentucky
Colorado
March 28: President Trump spoke with New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis regarding the coronavirus response effort.
March 28: The CDC issued new guidance for residents of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut to avoid non-essential domestic travel for 14 days to #StopTheSpread of the coronavirus within the U.S.
March 29: President Trump announced that CDC guidelines will be extended through April 30 to promote #socialdistancing and other measures to stop the spread of the #coronavirus.
March 29: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
Connecticut
Oregon
Georgia
Washington DC
March 29: President Trump met with supply chain distributors including FedEx, Cardinal Health, and UPS to discuss ways to get state and local governments necessary medical supplies to combat the coronavirus.
March 29: President Trump congratulated the Army Corps of Engineers for having completed construction on a 2,900 bedroom temporary hospital at the Javits Center in New York.
March 29: President Trump tweeted his support for the FDA to expedite the approval process to approve mask sterilization equipment produced by Battelle.
March 29: President Trump announced the on-going study of 1,100 patients in New York being treated with Hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus.
March 29: President Trump directed the Treasury & Labor Departments to look at reinstating deductions of business expenses at restaurants, bars, and entertainment businesses to help the hospitality industry.
March 29: The first "Project Airbridge" shipment of medical supplies from abroad, organized by FEMA, landed at JFK airport, carrying 80 tons of masks, face shields, and other vital medical supplies.
March 29: President Trump announced that Cigna and Humana are waving co-pays for coronavirus treatment.
March 29: Vice President Pence sent a letter to hospital administrators requesting that hospitals across the country report their coronavirus data to the Federal Government in addition to state authorities.
March 29: Adm. Giroir announced that 894,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results.
March 29: HHS accepted 30 million doses of Hydroxychloroquine, donated by Sandoz, and one million doses of Chloroquine, donated by Bayer Pharmaceuticals, for clinical trials
March 30: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
Alabama
Kansas
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
March 30: Secretary Azar announced that the FDA has approved Battelle’s N95 mask sanitization process for use to decontaminate tens of thousands of masks per day.
March 30: President Trump announced further private sector commitments to manufacture personal protective equipment by MyPillow, Honeywell, Jockey, Procter & Gamble, and United Technologies.
March 30: President Trump announced, to date, FEMA has dedicated $1.3 billion to assist New York State’s coronavirus response.
March 30: President Trump announced “more than 14,000” National Guard service members have been activated to respond to the coronavirus outbreak.
March 30: President Trump spoke with the nation’s governors about their need for medical supplies.
March 30: President Trump announced that in the coming days the Federal Government will be delivering:
400 ventilators to Michigan
300 ventilators to New Jersey
150 ventilators to Louisiana
150 ventilators to Illinois
50 ventilators to Connecticut
March 30: President Trump spoke to Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte of Italy and pledged to send $100 million of medical supplies to aid Italy’s battle against coronavirus.
March 30: Answering President Trump’s call for the private sector to join the fight against the #coronavirus, Ford Motor Company committed to producing 50,000 ventilators in the next 100 days.
March 30: On coronavirus testing, Secretary Azar announced that the U.S. is currently testing nearly 100,000 samples per day.
March 30: HHS took steps to accelerate a clinical trial of a potential coronavirus vaccine developed by Janssen Research & Development.
March 30: CMS announced new regulatory changes to cut red tape and give flexibility to America’s health care workers by relaxing hospital workforce regulations, expanding child care, meal, and laundry services for health care workers, expanding tele-health reimbursement, and more.
March 30: The USNS Comfort arrived in New York Harbor, providing more than 1,000 more hospital beds for patients without coronavirus, to relieve pressure on local hospitals.
March 30: The USNS Mercy began treating patients in Los Angeles.
March 31: President Trump officially issued “30 Days To Slow The Spread” guidance to mitigate the outbreak of coronavirus.
March 31: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
Ohio
Montana
March 31: President Trump participated in a conference call with executives of American Network Service Providers to promote connectivity amid social distancing.
March 31: President Trump announced that the federal government is stockpiling 10,000 ventilators to be urgently distributed as needed once the coronavirus pandemic hits its peak in the U.S.
March 31: President Trump announced that the Treasury Department and SBA are rapidly mobilizing money from the CARES Act’s $349 billion paycheck protection program, with the program set to be “up and running” by April 3.
March 31: President Trump spoke to Michigan Governor Whitmer about the state’s need for ventilators.
March 31: President Trump announced the Army Corps of Engineers & FEMA will construct:
8 facilities with 50,000 bed capacity in California
A field hospital with 250 bed capacity in Michigan
2 field hospitals in Louisiana with 500 bed capacity
An alternative care sight in New Orleans with a 3,000 bed capacity
March 31: President Trump spoke with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan about the international effort to defeat the coronavirus and support the global economy.
March 31: President Trump and the First Lady spoke with their Majesties King Felipe VI and Queen Letizia of Spain about efforts to combat the coronavirus.
March 31: Vice President Pence announced that 10 states now have access to federal funding for The National Guard to respond to the coronavirus outbreak.
March 31: Vice President Pence announced that 17,000 National Guard Servicemen have been activated across the country to assist in the coronavirus response.
March 31: Vice President Pence announced that 1.1 million coronavirus tests have been completed.
March 31: Adm. Giroir & Surgeon General Adams issued an open letter to the U.S. health care community about how to optimize the use of ventilators.
March 31: The FDA issued an emergency use authorization for a two-minute coronavirus antibody test developed by Bodysphere Inc.
March 31: The Treasury Department and IRS launched the employee retention credit, created by the CARES Act to incentivize businesses to keep their employees on payroll, and said businesses can begin using it.
March 31: The VA announced that it had expanded virtual services to veterans, continuing to provide care while limiting in-person interactions that could potentially harm vulnerable populations at VA facilities.
April 1: President Trump approved a major disaster declaration related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
North Dakota
Hawaii
The Northern Mariana Islands
April 1: President Trump spoke to Walmart CEO Doug McMillon about the need to procure gowns for hospitals
April 1: President Trump spoke to military families whose relocation or reunion with loved ones was impacted by the coronavirus.
April 1: President Trump announced that the construction & refurbishing of two additional hospital ships like the USNS Mercy and USNS Comfort are being considered.
April 1: Vice President Pence announced that 1.2 million coronavirus tests have been completed.
April 1: The White House, HHS, and the FDA worked with Senator Rob Portman to acquire and authorize for use over two million gowns donated to the Strategic National Stockpile by Cardinal Health.
April 1: Dr. Birx announced that the White House issued a challenge to universities and states to develop ELISA, or Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assays, tests to detect coronavirus antibodies in larger communities more quickly.
April 1: The Treasury Department released FAQs to help small and medium businesses understand the paid sick and family leave tax credits now offered under the Families First Coronavirus Response Act.
April 1: The Department of Labor posted a temporary rule to implement the Families First Coronavirus Response Act in order to provide paid sick and family leave.
April 1: In New York City, the USNS Comfort began treating its first patients.
April 1: The VA opened its East Orange, NJ medical center to serve non-veteran coronavirus patients to assist the state and FEMA in their response to coronavirus.
April 1: The Treasury Department announced that Social Security recipients, including senior citizens, disabled Americans, and low-income Americans who do not file tax returns will have their coronavirus relief payments directly deposited into their bank accounts.
April 2: President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to di
April 2: President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to help 6 companies (General Electric, Hill-Rom Holdings, Medtronic, ResMed, eRoyal Philips, and Vyaire Medical) get the supplies they need to make ventilators.
April 2: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the #coronavirus outbreak for:
Virginia
Tennessee
The U.S. Virgin Islands
April 2: President Trump discussed the production of ventilators with GM CEO Mary Barra.
April 2: President Trump announced that The Javits Center temporary hospital will be converted into a coronavirus hospital.
April 2: President Trump announced that the Department of Defense will be establishing 48 more ICU beds in New York.
April 2: President Trump announced that the Federal Government will be establishing a coronavirus hospital in Louisiana and Texas.
April 2: President Trump took an additional coronavirus test and tested negative.
April 2: President Trump ordered the Federal Government to cover the costs of all National Guard operations in states with recently approved disaster declarations.
April 2: President Trump sent Senator Chuck Schumer a letter debunking false claims made against the Trump Administration’s coronavirus response.
April 2: Secretary Mnuchin and Small Business Administrator Jovita Carranza announced that the Paycheck Protection Program, created by the CARES Act to provide $350 billion in loans to small businesses, will be launched tomorrow.
April 2: Secretary Mnuchin announced that the first relief payments will be dispersed within two weeks.
April 2: Vice President Pence announced that 1.3 million coronavirus tests have been completed.
April 2: Vice President Pence announced that all Blue Cross Blue Shield Members will be waiving out of pocket costs for coronavirus treatment.
April 2: Rear Adm. Polowczyk announced FEMA’s Supply Chain Stabilization Task Force has delivered:
27.1 million surgical masks
19.5 N95 million respirator masks
22.4 million surgical gloves
5.2 million face shields
Over 7,600 ventilators
April 2: First Lady Melania Trump had a phone call with Mrs. Sophie Grégoire Trudeau of Canada, who is recovering from the coronavirus.
April 2: The Federal Transit Administration (FTA) announced $25 billion in federal funding to support public transportation systems in response to the coronavirus.
April 2: The Department of Justice and HHS distributed 192,000 N95 respirator masks confiscated from price gougers to health care workers in New York and New Jersey.
April 2: The FDA approved the first coronavirus antibody test, developed by Cellex.
April 2: The FDA issued new guidance to increase the supply of blood donations, reducing the deferral period for gay men from 12 months to 3 months.
April 2: The Department of Education donated 5,760 N95 respirator masks discovered in storage to aid the fight against the coronavirus.
April 2: Secretary Pompeo announced that the State Department has now brought home 30,000 Americans stranded overseas as a result of coronavirus-related travel restrictions.
April 2: April 2: HHS announced it was relaxing enforcement of HIPAA violations to encourage health care providers to share coronavirus data and information with federal and state health care officials.
April 2: The Trump Administration issued recommendations to nursing homes to help mitigate the spread of coronavirus.
April 2: HUD announced it was immediately making $3 billion of CARES Act funding available to help America’s low-income families and most vulnerable citizens across the nation.
April 2: The Energy Department announced it would immediately make 30 million barrels of the strategic petroleum reserve’s (SPR’s) oil storage capacity available to struggling U.S. oil producers.
April 3: President Trump announced new voluntary CDC guidelines that all Americans wear non-medical, fabric or cloth face masks to prevent asymptomatic spread of coronavirus.
April 3: The President met with energy execs from Phillips 66, Devon Energy, Continental Resources, Hilcorp Energy, Occidental Petroleum, The American Petroleum Institute, The Energy Transfer Partners, Chevron, & Exxon Mobil to discuss coronavirus’ impact on the energy industry.
April 3: President Trump spoke with French President Emmanuel Macron to discuss convening the five permanent members of the UN Security Council in an effort to defeat the coronavirus and discuss its impact on the world.
April 3: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
New Hampshire
West Virginia
Indiana
Arkansas
Oregon
April 3: President Trump signed a Presidential Memorandum blocking the export of N95 and other respirator masks, surgical masks, PPE gloves, and surgical gloves to ensure they are available in the U.S. – designating them as “scarce” under the Defense Production Act.
April 3: President Trump announced that Anthem will waive co-pays for coronavirus treatment for 60 days.
April 3: President Trump announced that uninsured Americans will have their coronavirus treatment covered, using funding from the CARES Act.
April 3: Trump Administration officials spoke to the directors of the two largest health care providers in Louisiana, Ochsner and LCMC Health, to discuss their need for medical supplies.
April 3: President Trump directed FEMA to send Ochsner Surgical Gowns.
April 3: President Trump announced that 9,000 retired Army medical personnel have volunteered and are assisting the federal response to the coronavirus.
April 3: President Trump announced that the DOJ and HHS have together secured:
200,000 N95 masks
130,000 surgical masks
600,000 gloves
from hoarders and have distributed the supplies to health care workers.
April 3: Vice President Pence announced that 1.4 million coronavirus tests have been completed to date.
April 3: Vice President Pence announced that 18,000 machines are already available across the country to administer Abbott 15 Minute Coronavirus Tests, with another 1,200 soon to be distributed to states.
April 3: Vice President Pence announced that a Project Airbridge flight landed in Columbus, Ohio with medical supplies.
April 3: Secretary Azar announced a public-private partnership with Oracle to collect crowd-sourced data on coronavirus therapeutic treatments.
April 3: The SBA launched the Paycheck Protection Program for small businesses impacted by the coronavirus pandemic, issuing more than 17,500 loans valued at $5.4 billion.
April 3: The Army Corps of Engineers is working with states to assess 750 requests for temporary hospital facilities, having completed 673 already.
April 3: The FDA announced it would coordinate the national effort to develop blood-related therapies for COVID-19.
April 3: The Defense Department’s Joint Acquisition Task Force launched a new portal giving the private sector the ability to submit information and solutions to the DoD.
April 3: The State Department announced that they have awarded contracts for 8 new medical facilities, totaling 9,693 new beds.
April 3: The Department of Labor issued guidance to help employers reduce their use of N95 respirators, freeing up supply for the coronavirus response.
April 3: HUD announced it is making $200 million in Indian housing block grants for Indian Tribes under the CARES Act.
April 3: EPA Administrator Wheeler held a call with retailers and marketplace platforms to discuss ways to protect consumers from fake disinfectants.
April 3: First Lady Melania Trump held a phone call with Mrs. Brigitte Macron of France to discuss the coronavirus response.
April 4: President Trump announced that 1,000 members of the Defense Department’s Medical Corps will be deployed to New York to assist in the fight against coronavirus.
April 4: President Trump spoke to commissioners of major league sports organizations including the MLB, NFL, & NBA, recognizing what the leagues, teams, and players are doing in their communities to combat coronavirus.
April 4: President Trump tweeted encouragement to American children unable to start their Little League baseball season on time due to coronavirus.
April 4: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Maine
Nevada
April 4: President Trump announced that he was considering a second coronavirus task force focused on the economy.
April 4: President Trump urged PM Modi of India to allow Hydroxychloroquine to be shipped to the United States.
April 4: President Trump announced that the U.S. government has repatriated over 40,000 Americans from 75 countries.
April 4: Vice President Pence spoke to Governors of New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, and Maryland.
April 4: FEMA obligated $44 million to Iowa under the state’s major disaster declaration to combat the coronavirus.
April 5: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for:
South Dakota
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Mississippi
April 5: April 5: President Trump announced that by Tuesday, 3,000 military and medical personnel will have deployed to New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut to assist in the coronavirus response effort.
April 5: President Trump announced that the Trump Administration will be sending New York 600,000 N95 masks tomorrow, including 200,000 to Suffolk County alone.
April 5: President Trump announced that the Administration will soon send:
300 ventilators to Michigan
200 ventilators to Louisiana
600 ventilators to Illinois
100 ventilators to Massachusetts
500 ventilators to New Jersey
April 5: President Trump announced the establishment of a federal coronavirus medical station in Washington D.C.
April 5: President Trump announced that Washington has returned 400 ventilators to the strategic national stockpile.
April 5: President Trump announced that 1.67 million coronavirus tests have been completed.
April 5: President Trump announced that the government has stockpiled 29 million doses of Hydroxychloroquine
April 5: Dr. Birx announced that testing in the New York metro area, New Jersey, Louisiana, and Washington has exceeded the testing rate of Spain and Italy
April 6: President Trump announced an agreement with 3M to produce and import 55.5 million N95 masks each month for the next three months.
April 6: President Trump held a call with CEOs from pharmaceutical and bio-tech companies to discuss potential coronavirus therapeutics.
April 6: President Trump had a “very friendly” phone call with former Vice President Joe Biden to discuss the coronavirus.
April 6: President Trump announced that 1.79 million coronavirus tests have been completed.
April 6: President Trump approved Governor Murphy’s request to allow New Jersey patients aboard the USNS Comfort.
April 6: President Trump approved Governor Cuomo’s request to allow the treatment of coronavirus patients on the USNS Comfort.
April 6: President Trump announced that CVS will open two new drive-thru coronavirus testing sites in Georgia and Rhode Island. Both will use Abbott’s rapid coronavirus test.
April 6: President Trump announced that the FDA authorized Inovio’s potential coronavirus vaccine for a clinical trial, wile 10 potential coronavirus therapeutic agents are in “active trials” with another 15 potential therapeutics in plans for clinical trials.
April 6: President Trump praised the work of the private sector, including Apple and Salesforce, who have agreed to donate personal protective equipment to help defeat the coronavirus.
April 6: President Trump announced that The Army Corps of Engineers is building 22 field hospitals and alternative care sites in 18 states.
April 6: President Trump announced that 8,450 hospital beds and 8,000 ventilators have been deployed across the country from federal stockpiles.
April 6: Vice President Pence announced that to date $4.1 billion has been allocated to states under federal disaster declarations.
April 6: Vice President Pence announced that 21,000 National Guard Servicemen have been activated across the country to assist in the fight against coronavirus.
April 6: VP Pence announced that thanks to California’s donation of 500 ventilators, the federal government will send:
200 ventilators to MD
100 ventilators to DE
100 ventilators to NV
50 ventilators to DC
50 ventilators to Guam & the Northern Mariana Islands
Apil 6: The CDC began publishing a new, data-centered coronavirus surveillance report on coronavirus.gov.
April 6: HHS announced an additional $186 million in CDC funding for state and local jurisdictions combatting the coronavirus.
April 6: HHS announced it will be purchasing 15 minute coronavirus tests from Abbott for state, territorial, and tribal labs and for the Strategic National Stockpile.
April 6: The Department of Education announced a streamlined process making it easier for states to use federal education funding for distance learning during the coronavirus outbreak.
April 7: President Trump participated in a conference call with banking executives to discuss how to best deliver financial aid and technical assistance to small businesses.
April 7: President Trump announced the SBA has processed “more than $70 billion” in loans to help small businesses as part of the Paycheck Protection Program.
April 7: President Trump approved a major disaster declaration for Minnesota related to the coronavirus outbreak.
April 7: President Trump announced that in addition to the 8,675 ventilators in the strategic national stockpile, the federal government will be acquiring 110,000 ventilators in the next three months to be distributed to states in need.
April 7: President Trump announced that 1.87 million coronavirus tests have been completed.
April 7: President Trump announced his intent to ask Congress for an additional $250 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program to loan to small businesses.
April 7: Vice President Pence participated in a conference call with over 500 business owners to discuss their needs amid the coronavirus response effort.
April 7: CMS Administrator Verma announced that CMS will make available an additional $30 billion in grants this week for health care organizations with increased operating costs due to the coronavirus.
April 7: The State Department announced an additional $225 million in health, humanitarian, and economic assistance to reduce the transmission of the coronavirus around the world.
April 7: As part of Project Airbridge, UPS and FEMA began shipments of 25 flights with more than three million pounds of medical supplies.
April 7: The Department of Transportation finalized a requirement that airlines who receive assistance under the CARES Act continue flights to destinations they were serving before the outbreak, ensuring commercial flights are available.
April 7: The EPA distributed over 1,100 N95 masks to the California Office of Emergency Services.
April 8: President Trump spoke to over 10,000 faith leaders & more than 3,000 state, local, and tribal officials to discuss the coronavirus response effort.
April 8: Secretary Pompeo announced that since January, over 50,000 Americans have been repatriated by 90 countries in over 480 flights.
April 8: Under the DPA, HHS announced a $646.7M contract with Philips to produce 2,500 ventilators for the Strategic National Stockpile by the end of May, and a total of 43,000 by December.
April 8: President Trump approved a major disaster declaration for Vermont related to the coronavirus outbreak.
April 8: President Trump announced that a Project Airbridge shipment of protective gowns landed in Dallas, Texas.
April 8: President Trump announced that 10 drugs to potentially be used against the coronavirus are currently in clinical trial.
April 8: President Trump thanked Indian PM Modi for allowing a shipment of the life-saving drug hydroxychloroquine to be released to the U.S.
April 8: Vice President Pence announced:
$98B in forgivable loans were disbursed through the Paycheck Protection Program
27,000 National Guard service members were activated across the country to assist in the coronavirus response
April 8: The CDC issued new guidance for how essential and critical workers who have been exposed to the coronavirus can return to work, with precautions.
April 8: Four additional flights as part of Project Airbridge landed across the country, delivering PPE and other medical supplies.
April 8: Customs and Borders Protection announced with FEMA that it will detain shipments of PPE in order to keep critical medical supplies within the U.S. for domestic use.
April 8: HHS announced an agreement with DuPont and FedEx to rapidly manufacture and deliver 2.25M new Tyvek Protective Suits to the Strategic National Stockpile over the next five weeks.
April 8: HHS expanded telehealth services for Native Americans through The Indian Health Service.
April 8: HHS authorized pharmacists to order and administer coronavirus tests, further expanding the availability of testing.
April 8: HHS awarded $1.3B from the CARES Act to 1,387 health centers in all 50 states, 8 territories, and the District of Columbia to fight coronavirus.
April 8: CMS issued updated guidance based on CDC guidelines to protect patients and health care workers in hospitals from the coronavirus.
April 8: The USDA announced its approval of Arizona's & California’s request for food stamp recipients to purchase food online, allowing these recipients to purchase groceries for delivery.
April 8: The VA announced that it has begun using funding from the CARES Act to pay overtime, hire new staff, and purchase supplies including PPE, beds, and pharmaceuticals.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/time … ronavirus/All this and none of Trump's words downplaying the seriousness of the event. Did you purposefully omit these statements?
And do you really trust a Trump/Pence site to give an accurate look at Trump's actions? Seriously? Trump can't tell the truth very often, so there's that.I in no respect was judging TRump's statements. I sought to add a timeline to give a better context to his statement. How he may have come to his opinion on these given statements. This matters greatly.
If he was unaware of the seriousness lets say in Jan, this could definitely indicate how he came to his opinion.
Not sure what statements you are referring or you feel he omitted.
My conversation with IB was in regard to statements Trump has made that would appear to underplay the seriousness of the virus. I just hoped to point out one must consider what Trump knew when he made his statements, that some feel was underplaying the situation. The media just does not add that aspect to the equation. This practice can distort the meaning of the statement. One should consider what Trump knew when he made a given statement. Jan 22 he had no inkling this virus was not under control. He was aware of what he was being told by WHO and the CDC. If anyone underplayed the virus it was WHO as well as CDC. This is where we need to direct our questions to both agencies.Those on the factcheck link I provided, Shar. I noticed these weren't listed on his site.
If anyone underplayed the virus it was WHO as well as CDC. This is where we need to direct our questions to both agencies.
Again, check.
He didn't know. So that's the new excuse? Cool.
What about two months ago? One month?
That's your excuse too? You didn't know?
...What he/you were talking about?
That one I believe.
Edit: Let me add for the record.
USA total deaths (for now) 20,086I am not giving excuses. I simply pointed out that in the statement you provided in your comment that Trump did not the seriousness of the virus as of yet. No more no less... I find your logic nonsensical.
"He didn't know. So that's the new excuse? Cool"
I have provided a link that offers each and every action the Government has taken.
"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza"
.Seasonal flu kills many thousands every year. It is apparent COVID19 will cause the death of many thousands here and across the world. The numbers will in no way come to be what was projected in the first month of the virus. (1.5 to 2.5 million).This is when I predicted this death toll would not come to fruition. The numbers have been decreased week after week. It certainly at this point looks like this bout will reach 50,000 or more in the US. The next bout in the fall most likely will also cause from 30,000 to 40,000 more deaths. The year after less due to a vaccination. Just my opinion.
I regard to Obama, I see no need to repeat my feelings about him. Seems it should not really matter, it's my opinion. You have aright to yours as well.
It's clear you have a problem with my opinion on pretty much everything. I have tried to be polite but at this point, I am over it. I have made every attempt to not add comments to any of your posts, I have been polite and answered you when you addressed me. It's apparent we can't agree on anything. Hopefully, you see where I am coming from.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/time … ronavirus/This is when I predicted this death toll would not come to fruition. The numbers have been decreased week after week.
Sure. Two weeks ago.
Good luck with all the spinning.How about reading the sentence before and after the quote you chose to dwell on.
"The numbers will in no way come to be what was projected in the first month of the virus. (1.5 to 2.5 million).This is when I predicted this death toll would not come to fruition. The numbers have been decreased week after week. It certainly at this point looks like this bout will reach 50,000 or more in the US. The next bout in the fall most likely will also cause from 30,000 to 40,000 more deaths. The year after less due to a vaccination. Just my opinion. "
Understand the context of my comment. I made that claimed when Dr. Fauci quoted the model that the virus could kill 1 .5 or 2.5 million people. I very well may have once again made the claim following the model that put the death toll of 100,000 to 200,000 in the USA. I truly believe it will not reach that toll either. I actually don't feel the number will reach the new mark that the models have put out of 80,000. I am not sure why my opinion should bother you.
Not spinning anything, just offering an opinion. It seems you have a problem with accepting that I have the right to an opinion. You don't have to agree. I certainly don't agree with the majority of your comments. But, I don't openly come at with accusations, such accusing me of "spinning".Since all right-wingers now know that Fauci is a "Clinton sympathizer", I'm sure we're about to see him thrown under the bus.
Really? A Clinton sympathizer? Damn, I was just getting to like the guy. You know, kinda like the favorite short guy in your crew.
GAAccording to Rush Limbaugh courtesy of the far-right.
So now (that you read the memo) the projected numbers in the first month were in the millions. Does that mean Trump in fact lie multiple times? But you forgot he didn't know! WHO! China! CDC!!
And no. Your claim wasn't about that. You said, more than once, that Coronavirus deaths were not going to come close to H1N1 deaths. You never mention those (millions) projections. Maybe you have as good memory as Trump. And no, your downplaying Covid was not (only) in the first month. The quote (your quote) I used was two weeks ago.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/347 … ost4129082
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/347 … ost4129150
I have no problem with your right to have an opinion. You apparently do.
My only problem is with lies and misinformation.Expressing opinions that always reflect the best possible version of events for Trump is the very definition of "spin."
I did not feel my comment actually was reflecting the best outcome. In fact, I was bucking the pandemic models, not agreeing with the stats they were giving. And if you were following the back and forth I have had with IB she would not agree with you... She felt I was underplaying the seriousness of the virus. And I never mentioned Trump in this particular comment. Come on give it a break. The pandemic models have nothing to do with Trump. Do you recognize how you bait? It's really is noticeable.
I recall you blaming everyone but Trump, but you don't think that is portraying events in the best light for Trump.
Okay.I in no way blamed any one person for this virus. I have said China, as well as the WHO and CDC, failed to respond to the severity of the Virus. This is evident to me just due to their lack of a quick response to report the virus as a pending serious problem. All can be proven to have not taken the virus seriously in the first weeks of having knowledge of it. I in no way hold Trump responsible for COVID19. From the moment he was notified of its seriousness he has handled this crisis to the best of his ability. I hope it clarifies my opinion on who did what. I think actually IB posted a comment to whom in my opinion carries the most blame for the handling of the virus.
1. China
2. WHO
3. CDC
IB also listed Dems
I will say this one time--- I do not blame Dems for the virus.No one blames Trump for the virus, Shar. Just the way he ignored people who warned him about the possible severity of it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … li=BBnb7KzI posted his timeline with dates. When he was notified of the virus he took actions, and he took appropriate actions as he was provided information. I am not going into the lengthy explanation of what he did when I copied and pasted his actions which started in late Dec when the virus was known of. I can't make anyone read it. But I can say I did. It is very apparent he did his best so far to combat the virus and handling the financial end. Yes, MSN's article is condemning to those that do not or will not follow the timeline of what Trump knew and when he knew it.
I took many hours comparing what he knew, and what he did when he was given information. I also compared many of the statements that he made that would seem he did not think the virus would be serious to the timeline. Many statements were made before he became aware of the severity of the virus. Randy, the media is counting on people to read to buy a version without any consideration of what Trump knew and when he knew it.
At any rate, I have researched the timeline, and it's important to me that it is understood that this is how I came about my opinion on placing the blame where it should be. And I think that is China, WHO, and our own CDC. Trump could only act and believe what they were telling him. My timeline offers the when...You know how I'm right and you're wrong? Here it is:
www.hillaryclinton.com
My girl Trina on Youtube
a book my neighbor self-published
Oh, this kind of helps too:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-p … ths-2020-4So Trump always took the advice he was given by the professionals? Doesn't sound like him at all as he knows more about everything than anyone. He says so himself. "Believe me."
Oh, thought it was IB that provided the list. Well, you got it right other than the Dems I don't think they know up from down. The only thing they added, in the beginning, was there is no reason to close our borders to China travel, calling Trump an assist, and oh Nancy invited all to join her in China town
Feb 24th.
https://abc7news.com/sf-chinatown-pelos … s/5964696/
Trump's statements in the same period (Appears Pelosi and Trump are pretty much at this point saying much something).
Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.
SO NOT BLAMING THE DEMS OR TRUMP...
Not sure if your list had the Media as IB's did. --- Not worth commenting on what I feel about media.
OMG, that might be the funniest thing I've ever seen. Somebody is trying to prove the truth and that Trump isn't lying by using Trump's own web site as the source of that truth. It's also sad. I'm sure there's some effing alternate universe where that works. I mean, that site would never print falsehoods, would it?
Here's a version of the truth that's likely to be a lot more accurate:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/p … ponse.htmlI was tired of continually posting links that provide a factual timeline of what actions our Government has taken during the COVID19 crisis.
Seem's you are willing to assume this link I posted has falsehoods. Easy to say, but is it easy to approve? Give me one falsehood, just one. It should be easy.
My God, how disgusting you insinuate this timeline included falsehoods. Without pointing out one. And as I have said the New York Times is a very poor source. Although, it gives me insight into where and how you get your information, and how you come to develop your opinions.
Te site I offer provides a day by day account of what our Government is doing to fight COVID19. It is truthful, and one would think any American that is interested in what is being done would read it.
This website keeps me knowledgable about what is actually being accomplished daily. And I must say it astounding. You may dislike Trump, but he is covering all bases.
So, let me know if you find a falsehood. Otherwise, read it and just be glad we have a president that is a problem solver.Indeed, he accomplished the impossible, Shar. He went belly-up running two casinos.
Stable genius....oh gawdddd Randy. Let that horse rest in peace. If you did any research at all you would know those casinos didn't go bankrupt due to ignorance or mismanagement. They were just cash cows and debt vehicles that Trump milked while he could.
He overloaded them with debt and then walked away with the benefits of using them for such. If you are going to fling one-liner accusations, at least try to make them accurate. Otherwise, some might view his use of them as profit vehicles as just smart business tactics. That's how I see them—scummy, but smart.
GAGetting to close to home? Yes, I felt it might. Hard to see facts, especially so many in a row. So, change the subject. It makes me think you might just have your fingers in your ears. Now come on Randy read a bit of the list. It might make you sleep better.
I knew it would send a few into a tizzy. And I can see it did.NYT is a poor source, but DonaldTrump.com is a good one.
I will just use HillaryClinton.com for all my facts now.Yet you still have not provide a mistruth????? It should be so easy.
NYTimes is nothing more than an extremist left-wing rag, its the print version of CNN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v18b5ip95EsKen,
My girl Trina on Youtube says the New York Times is da bomb.I guess Crank is still reading the list I posted. He made the claim there are false statements on it. Just won't offer up which ones.
I have provided you with facts you have not addressed, but you want me to address your facts? Sadly, you don’t even seem to understand the point being made because your facts do not disprove the argument put forth.
Changing the subject or dancing around a subject won't work. Not in this case. You claimed my resource contained mistruths. So, where is some proof of that? That's where this conversation led us. And I want you to settle by providing me a mistruth. Plus, it could not hurt you to read the timeline maybe you will see just what Trump has done. Not just what he said...
"Sadly, you don’t even seem to understand the point being made because your facts do not disprove the argument put forth."
HERE is where you came into the conversation. Pg 61
"Yep, Trump doing a great job.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump … ronavirus/
Jan. 22: "We have it totally under control".
That was his line for about a month, probably because he didn't understand the math. Amazing that he gave that advice. Everyone go about their normal lives. There's nothing wrong.
How much devastation have we seen as a result?
The words "criminal incompetence" come to mind."
HERE is my reply ---
Sorry, I don't let anyone dictate what I determine or what I think. I watch, listen and see results. Just old fashion that way.
As of Jan 22 he had not been provided any information from Who or CDC that would not indicate we did not have the situation under control. Did you ever have a look at the timeline links have provided over and over?
I have to say this --- You just don't seem to be able to comprehend facts.
I am not disputing Trump made several comments before he was made aware of the seriousness of the virus. I have tried to point out a timeline, what he knew when. I have pointed out how many in Washington made similar comments at the precise same time due to not knowing the severity of the virus.
It is certainly your progenitive to feel Trump has handled this crisis poorly. As I have said, just to keep it polite... We have different ways of processing information. I tend to stick to the letter of facts. You appear to look to what-ifs. You should be able to realize that's oil and vinegar.
My timelines provided you with dates, when Trump was made aware of what. Unless you are disputing the Government provided information? For weeks Trump was under the impression the virus would cause no problem to the country by those he trusted to keep him informed."
After many backs and forths, the subject ended up on you disputing my resource. I would like you to back up your claim by pointing out just one false statement.Feb. 24th:
"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
DOH!
Here are some links for you:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/2 … ion-145007
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … c-response
https://www.motherjones.com/media/2020/ … d-leaders/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mixed-m … d=69625769
https://time.com/5805683/trump-administ … ronavirus/
I could list 100 more all over the political spectrum, but what is certainly a fact is that somebody who would use Trump's own web site as their source of factual information would never believe any fact from any other source that contradicted it.I asked you to pick a falsehood from my list. It's a long one you should be able to puck one. You insinuated it was full of falsehoods. Do I take it you could not find one?
My list disproves each and every one of your links. I will leave that to your fact-checking. It should be easy I provided what the administration has done. Do you really thing a handful of bias articles will in any way outdo the good this administration has done? The last is factual. Otherwise, I would guess we have nothing more on this subject to talk about. I like facts.
I will continue to wait for you to provide me with a falsehood from the list. Being cornered is never fun, is it? As a rule, this is where you change every to another subject. Like well, Trump is-----------------yes, there are thousands, millions s.uch articles to keep you fed. You inferred my list has "false information". I want you to pick one false thing from my list, and prove it to be false. Hey, I have pissed off a few were with that long list. Tie to put up or shut up.
That's the second time we've linked to that in the last 24 hours. Holy cow, that's some serious memory loss.
The FactCheck.org article I linked to had all the dates for all his statements. Jeez, selective memory, much?
I have researched your link prior to today. It lists each and every one of what they found downplayed the Virus.
And Yes, it had the dates Trump made the statements. I have been trying to make the point many of these statements were made by Trump before he knew the virus was going to be such a crisis. Most of those statements were made before the agencies CDC and WHO reported to him that the virus was so bad.
example --- On March 17th Trump made a comment where he said "I thought this might be a pandemic before they said it was a pandemic.
He made this statement after the date WHO had(March 11) declared COVID19 a pandemic. Trump was giving an opinion of what he thought the virus may turn into. Before Mar 11th he certainly could not come out and make that statement. He may have thought it, but had no right to give that uneducated opinion before the CDC or WHO. he waited until March 17th to share his opinion.
I could go through each one of Factcheck "Trump statements. But I would give the entire context to the statements. So, let's just look at their first Trump statement
"Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
Take into account Trump had not become aware of the threat we had one infection in the USA that was documented as a person that had come from China that case was recorded on Jan 20th.
The CDC or WHO had not expressed any urgency in regards to the virus
I would think the statements being made at that time by many in Washington were suitable at that point. As was Trump.s statement. We have it totally under control.
You need to follow not only Trump's statements but the timeline that offers what he knew on what given date.
I have presented several timelines on what occurred when. I suggest you read them and compare the timeline to what was known by the president when he made the statements you are having a problem with.Here are the actual facts and timeline:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/p … ponse.html
Why are you being so dense? President Trump provided the leadership this country needed. He saw through the lies China was putting out and cut off travel from China. That told the governors all they needed to know - which was that the virus was going to get into the U.S. other ways. So the governors saw how seriously President Trump was about this spread of the virus and they began issuing stay-at-home orders. And then when the MSM started questioning him about how serious he was, he shut them down too with his total awesomeness.
Media... check!
Democrats... check!
WHO... check!
China... check!
Governors ... check!
"just as bad and in many ways worse"
In which ways?
And I dont know about that "just as bad".. The declared global deaths of H1N1 were 18k (200+K if you use the estimates). And that was after a year. In less than 4 months we have 100+K declared deaths. We'll have to wait for the estimates.
It was a big deal, and schools closed. It was constantly on the news. But you're right is different now. Covid-19 is more deadlier.
Right now, USA alone has the same amount of deaths as the declared global deaths of H1N1.
But keep peddling.
Do tell? When has any President EVER had the disgusting gall to DARE to prescribe drugs his doped up liquored up supporters now want to kill off more Americans with?
If Trump supporter want to martry themselves for their savior Trump, go right ahead. Just don't expect a grand memorial.
People who are already on legally prescribed drugs for diabetes and other illnesses are NOT going to obey Trump.
Why should we? He owes us. He and his grifter family are on OUR federal tax dollars. If we pull those federal tax dollars, we get to watch him and his controls freak insider government die a painful moneyless death.
Coming from someone who routinely criticizes sources, your comment is, as Island Mom might say, 'Rich. . . '
First, you have tagged your comment to a statement from Ewent that has been repeatedly debunked:
"Now we find out that the reason he delayed the testing kit dispersals was to get his own crony company he has investments in to do the manufacturing."
Unless you doubt the authority of Politifacts or Snopes, you can check them out to see how the original social media posts' and ewent's claims were determined to be bogus.
And then . . you provide an Esquire link as an authoritative source to support your reasoning. *SMH
With the exception of an included Politifacts article quote, here is the entirety of you explanatory source:
"The most consequential—and logically inexplicable—decision taken by this administration* in response to the current pandemic occurred in January, when German scientists developed the first test for COVID-19 and the World Health Organization offered the test to countries around the world and 60 countries accepted. We were not one of them. From Politico:
. . . PolitiFact's blurb . . .
"Let’s guess why this happened, and let’s leave aside for the moment that Jared Kushner’s brother runs a company that’s involved in testing, because that should not be any kind of surprise. What I’m fairly convinced is also behind that decision is the administration*’s disdain for international organizations, alliances of any kind, and foreigners in general. Couple that with the Republican Party’s similar xenophobic impulses and overall dislike of any science that can’t be replicated with baking soda and Fizzies, and you’ve got a pretty good reason why help from overseas is more terrifying in many minds than viruses from overseas are. American exceptionalism now means “except us.” That’s not a good development."
Just for kicks I emphasized your author's word choices that filled me with confidence in their authoritative knowledge.
And that is your measure of a source worth believing? Geesh, you outdid yourself on this one Randy.
Will you be offering unsupported forum opinions that you agree with as trustworthy sources next?
[EDIT ADDED] *Since I only spent about 15 minutes checking this out, it is possible I missed something and may have to eat my words, so I will keep the mustard handy until I hear from you. ;-)
GA"Will you be offering unsupported forum opinions that you agree with as trustworthy sources next?"
Would it be any worse than Lucas from YouTube‽ ;-)I will have to go back and check out that "Lucas" link before I can answer that. Until then, I am left wondering about Randy's dive into Esquire. I know what they used to be known for . . .
But of course, I only looked at their magazines for the articles. ;-)
GA
Yep, I broke my own rules, Gus. I was in a rush to go somewhere and took the first two sites on the search. I'll cut off another finger!
Here's a starter list of some of the allegations against Trump, including those that made it to the courts. Hell, his own wife accused him of rape under oath!
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-d … -election/I have seen each allegation against Trump., who hasn't would be a better question. My question stands. Will you vote for Biden? Or do you feel --- Hey, there is one allegation of rape no biggie?
I realize this allegation might have most Dems sticking their fingers in their ears. Not taking Trump here, talking about Biden. Let's stay on the subject.So, by your logic, Trump should just be guaranteed President beyond 2020 as anyone can make an accusation against a candidate, of which Trump has been accused of much worse for decades, and that makes the candidate ineligible to vote for??
The logic is entirely faulty.Every Democrat I know is going to vote for Biden reluctantly because there's no other choice. Not a single Democrat I know is excited about the prospect of voting for him.
The concept of lesser of two evils seems to have suddenly been lost by some.
Not lost by me --- But I never rode on that high house or stood atop of that pedestal. Got to be hard when the tables ten. Where are all the morals, the loudly expressed values? LOL
One very big difference is that Trump freely admitted--actually, he bragged--about assaulting women. Also, one allegation versus sixteen (?).
But, I know none of this matters to you. You Trumpers now have years of experience rationalizing, blaming, and diverting.
As many of us warned early on, the bar has been lowered, standards long gone. Values? What are those?
Y'all really have some nerve.Does that means you didn't have any to begin with?
You're still pounding on the same nonsensical drum. Trump is not for office for MANY reasons..not just cause he's a pervert. I rest my case that you seem so adamant that needs to be made.
Are you attempting to feel better for your vote for the loony conman? It was a bad decision. It doesn't mean you're a bad person. You can clear your conscience by voting against him, or you can continue they cycle of confusion, dread and excuses by voting for him.
And now you start with the name calling. If I were to call you a hypocrite, you would feign outrage and victimhood, you've done it to me...just as Trump does.
America needs morality not Trump and his campaign of division...anything to fire up the base to get votes. You are on the wrong side of history.I am bot attempting to feel better. I have always been truthful of why I voted for Trump, and also that I am very in the end satisfied with my choice. he has done a great job from the moment he walked into the office.
Wrong side of history? What are you? Nostradamus?
Is it not just a bit hypocritical? I mean some of us made the same claim three years ago. LOL
Sounds like 2016 revisited, when so many Republicans voted Trump because there was no other choice. And Democrats countrywide condemned them for it because there was another choice - the best choice in the history of presidential elections!
I never said anything about who should be president. I guess I need to be blunt due to my comment is certainly not conveying what I am trying to say.
So, now the Dems have a candidate that has a vile sexual allegation hanging over his head. Will they dance about and make what they see as logical excuses for Biden. Biden now has one of the very attributed they bashed Trump in the head with.
My question was simple, and you have already become the face. Trump did this, Trump did that, and more of it. ARE YOU GOING TO CONSIDER VOTING FOR BIDEN?I thought we were done. Lesser of two evils...maybe google the phrase.
Trump has set the bar so low, even you Trump enablers should see this. You're griping about the same thing you ignored from Trump, Shar?
You yourself should understand why Biden is still preferred by the Left. You voted for a guy with multiple accusations of sexual assault, but don't see why others would do the same.
It is apparent, there is a small select portion of the population, the same portion that still tunes in to the likes of CNN and MSNBC and actually believes they put forth truth and facts (they don't, its all opinion, bias, and misinformation)… that will vote for who-ever the Dems put up.
Senile, Pedophile, Criminally Corrupt and a traitor to America... they do not care, they will vote for Biden or who-ever is presented as their "salvation" from the oppressive, evil dictatorship of the Russian puppet Trump.
You'll have more luck convincing the Ayatollah Khomeini that Israel has a right to exist, than you will convincing these folks that Trump hasn't been the worst President in all history.History will tell the tale Ken. Certainly not you or I...
I would think senility is a trait that would appeal to more than a few people in this forum.
The key words is "Allegations." Doesn't really mean anything. In the article you provided the one woman withdrew the lawsuit. Seriously?
I'm not the one that started this discussion Mike. But, it's clear you will always step in to defend your hero.
To be honest, obama supporters dismissed his allegations in much the same way. There have been books about the allegations against obama. The cry from the left was always "they're just allegations" and just laugh them off.
"The biggest untold story of the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election... Finally, the no-holds-barred, 100% true story of Barack Obama's use and sale of cocaine; his homosexual affairs and the December 23, 2007 murder of Barack Obama's former lover and choir director of Obama's Chicago church of 20 years, Donald Young, just days before the 2008 Iowa Caucus. This searing candid story begins with Barack Obama meeting Larry Sinclair in November, 1999, and subsequently procuring and selling cocaine, and then engaging in consensual, homosexual sex with Sinclair on November 6th and again on November 7, 1999. You'll read in riveting detail how Sinclair, in 2007, repeatedly contacted and requested that the Obama campaign simply come clean about their candidate's 1999 drug use and sales. You learn how the Obama campaign, David Axelrod and Barack Obama used Donald Young (the homosexual lover of Barack Obama) to contact and seek out information from Sinclair about who he had told of Obama's crimes and actions."
https://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Lar … 0578013878- Mike, read a bit more about the guy you're using to smear Obama.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-ac … sv16_mcN9SSo, the left automatically believes anything said about President Donald Trump and treats every allegation as if it is fact. So, my point is he's not the only president who has had false allegations made against him. This is just the short list of allegations made against obama. Maybe, the left needs to learn allegations are not facts.
As I keep reminding everyone, Trump has bragged about assaulting women and intentionally walking in on undressed teenage girls. That means he is a sexual predator according to the one person--besides the victims, of course--who would know without a doubt: Donald Trump himself.
So? The point is the left treats every allegation made against President Donald Trump as if they are true and factual. He's not the first or last president to have allegations made against him. The left needs to learn how the allegations made against President Donald Trump have as little substance as those made against obama. To be honest, this is the short list of allegations made against obama. See, those on the right aren't gullible enough to believe such things. It's obvious the same can't be said for those on the left.
You really don't care where you get your "facts" from do you, Mike? As long as it fits your idea of the truth....
If that’s not projection I don’t know what is!
Mike,
Randy’s projection just confirms what you said, “See, those on the right aren't gullible enough to believe such things. It's obvious the same can't be said for those on the left.”Randy is accusing me of acting like a Democrat...how insulting. I'm simply trying to illustrate how Democrats on the left act. Funny...how when you put a mirror in the face of Democrats on the left...they can't see themselves.
- Not accusing you of anything but using crappy links for your "facts," Mike. Do you ever check out the veracity of them? Obviously not!
Listen to the king of falsehoods who never vets the veracity of any of his TDS talking points which he just blindly parrots
To the Democrat party I say back at you, "Do you ever check out the veracity of them? Obviously not!"
Wow. The parade of nutty responses continues. Now we have our facts coming from Lucas, a guy on YouTube, a self-published book that nobody has read and has absolutely zero legitimacy in even the most ridiculous fantasy world, and Donald Trump’s own re-election web site. I think we all know what truth comes from such sources.
Yes, and some of those allegations describe exactly what Trump bragged about doing. He brags about assaulting women.
Plus, you just wrote "I am not aware of any criminal charges being filed on Trump for sexual abuse"
So, once again, where's the logic? Are you are aren't you aware of all the Trump sexual abuse allegations. Some of them certainly made it to the courts as criminal charges.
And, actually, the thread topic is coronavirus.Actually there have never been any criminal charges brought against Trump for anything. There was a mother that initiated a lawsuit that claimed her daughter was raped by Trump, and she dropped the case. and dropped.
I think you know where I was going with this conversation. Just getting the jump on hypocrisy.
And it was not me that brought up the subject it was Sychophantastic. Although I have subsequently started a thread on the subject.
- PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago
0Typical Trump supporter nonsense: weird twisted logic; laughable accusations of hypocrisy. Unbelievably nutty. Very much like Trump himself.
- PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago0
Can I just say that copying and pasting such a huge amount of text is unnecessary and makes the thread extra annoying to scroll through, especially when multiple people reply to it.
Well maybe stop and read it. You might be pleased with some of the actions that are being performed. Or you could research it for falsehoods as Crank is doing.
I got my facts at HiilaryClinton.com so you know they’re true.
There is also a girl I watch on YouTube named Trina.
And a guy who lives in a cave who self-published his own book that says Trump is a Martian.
I will second that. My scroll finger is plumb wore out.
GAI wanted to provide some evidence of what our Government is doing to make every attempt to get us all through this very bad period in our history. Just me, but I am over listening to all the "he said this" and how could he say that". I just wanted to impress -- "He did this" and He did that".
Read it, it's sobering. In fact, it's history and shows this president can truly solve problems, not just talk about solving them. His mouth gets him in trouble. But his innate talent for solving problems is what he will be remembered for. Just saying...I wasn't criticizing your post Sharlee, it was extensive and comprehensive. I was just agreeing with PrettyPanther that direct responses that quoted it made for a lot of scrolling to get to subsequent comments.
It is an HP coding thing—we used to be able to snip quoted responses, their text was included in the response box—that should be reestablished. In the past I frequently used the <snipping> to delete multiple memes in comments I would reply to.
GAGA, Oh no I did not think you where criticizing at all. And yes it was lengthy. As a rule, I just post links to info. I just did not seem to be doing the trick this time around. I guess my weariness is showing. I promise I will not ever do it again. So sorry.
Here is a barn-burner of an article concerning our USA medical system and more. It is not pretty. https://www.theguardian.com/news/databl … y-covid-19
Do you think Trump knows about medicine, Mike? I never considered Greta an expert on the climate, and don't know anyone personally who did. Not even a good try.....
Then tell us Randy just what do you think she is?
The Cabal's puppet given mass exposure to sell their agenda?
That fits doesn’t it.Well Randy, you are one of the few on the left who didn't make that 16-year-old girl the most brilliant climate change authority on the planet. She spoke at the UN on climate change. It couldn't get any more ridiculous.
"Her influence on the world stage has been described by The Guardian and other newspapers as the "Greta effect".[9] She has received numerous honors and awards including: honorary Fellowship of the Royal Scottish Geographical Society; Time magazine's 100 most influential people and the youngest Time Person of the Year; inclusion in the Forbes list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women (2019)[10] and two consecutive nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize (2019 and 2020[11])"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_ThunbergI admired her stand on climate change, but I think it was also about a young girl with asperger syndrome speaking to the powers-that-be which gained her the most notoriety.
Since you are probably a science denier as far as climate change goes, I can understand why you don't like Greta and her stand."Science Denier" you and everyone who thinks that way are funny to me.
So, you believe in man-made global warming? What are you doing about it? Still use gas to run your car, generator, farm equipment? You're killing the planet. Still eating beef? You're killing the planet. Still using things that depend on fossil fuels? Things like rubber, plastics, glass, etc.? You are killing the planet. Go ahead and say I believe in man-made global warming. Good. Now, if you start living your life like you believe in man-made global warming I may do something other than laugh.
Greta flying all over the world to accept awards...burning massive amounts of fossil fuels and dumping tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. She's killing the planet.
The only thing I admire about Greta is her ability to be such a successful hypocrite to the masses of gullible people who have more emotion than brains.
That pretty much describes the left."Go ahead and say I believe in man-made global warming. Good."
Is this a yes or a no, Mike? I do believe we've contributed to the advance in world temps with the use of fossil fuels and deforestation. I don't believe the problem can be solved overnight either.
In India and other parts of the world people can see the sky again as the virus is shutting major industries down and the smog and air quality has improved vastly.
Not suggesting we need to totally shut down all industry, but some hurt the environment worse than others. Coal being an example.
As far as your description of the Left goes...sticks and stones and all that $hit.Greta flying all over the world to accept awards...burning massive amounts of fossil fuels and dumping tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. She's killing the planet.
Are you sure?
Anyone catch the propaganda video Trump played at today's coronavirus briefing? It was like this was a campaign rally to bolster Trump personally. He was rude and dismissive as usual, but it seemed he was extra teed off at the questions today.
Rude and dismissive? You sound proud like that’s something he learned from you, which actually is believable.
We missed The Trump Show yesterday but figured it must have reached new heights of awful based on some of the news coverage.
Clips mostly from Fox News with Sean and Laura making excuses for his tardy actions re the virus. With cherry picked clips from reliable sources as well.
Has an interesting map of the U.S. Covid-19 outbreak, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/imf-glo … virus.html
Sure Why not? Isn't that what Trump does too when he knows he is lying and is confronted with irrefutable FACTS we KNOW we can prove?
There is an old saying, if you don't want a response, don't speak.Meanwhie, NHK (Japan's TV media) has reported a second wave of Coronavirus outbreaks in China and Japan. But to Trump that doesn't matter.
The thug in chief can't play golf because his resorts are all shut down. So now he is "total authority" in violation of the 10th Amendment that gives states' rights to states over the Federal government.
I love to do anything and everything that will drive Trump close to the edge if he is not already there. That is how you get rid of someone so evil only evil people support him.Ewent, are you on a roll or what? Did someone put something in your coffee this morning?
The only "Constitution" Trump cares about is his own.Really Randy? EWENT is spot on? I will assume you would not have posted your ditto unless you read all of her recent posts. I won't point out any examples of her posts, because she is entitled to them. I will point out she made multiple assumptions that blanketed many that post here characters. I am surprised you agreed with widespread ditto.
I think your ditto has provided me with answers to a couple of things I have been thinking about. You have done me a favor.Ewent is spot on because I can PROVE what I pot. Don't bother posting any more of your distortions of facts. That's the ONLY skill you narrow minded right wingers have.
I don't make assumptions. I live in NJ where he got a 2014 FinCEN money laundering fine. Want to deny that? Don't bother. He was warned to stop the money laundering 3 times from the mid 2000s and like you and all of your obstinate ruthless brazen lawless righties, refused.
This is not the Wild West pallie. This is a government of the people, FOR the people, BY the people.
Sorry if we will cut off your federal funding and keep it in our states so your states have to shut your lying mouths and actually break a sweat."Ewent is spot on because I can PROVE what I pot. Don't bother posting any more of your distortions of facts. That's the ONLY skill you narrow minded right wingers have."
POT? Drinking again...
". I live in NJ where he got a 2014 FinCEN money laundering fine"
What the hell is FinCEN?
And then there is this... LOL
"and like you and all of your obstinate ruthless brazen lawless righties, refused."
Are you trying to say al righties launder money? OMG LOL
Are you quoting Lincoln? If so it's "of the people, by the people, for the people" you sort of got it half ass-backward.
Hey, your Gov. has been sucking up federal funds pretty good during this COVID19 crisis. And I can assure you, Gov.Phil Murphy will have his hand out for many more months.
"Sorry if we will cut off your federal funding and keep it in our states so your states have to shut your lying mouths and actually break a sweat."
Jersey has no control over which states receive federal funds. I hated to be the one to tell you this.
Hey blondie, You know there is ammonia in all hair dye? I'd be careful of brain damage if I were a bottle blonde.
Pay attention lil ole Dixiebelle. I live in NJ. Don't you ever tell anyone who is paying through MY taxes Trump's 6 corporate bankruptcies he filed in 2014.
The way to shut mouths like yours is TRUTH you can't deny. So, as the top notch freelance writer I know I am, do yourself a favor rightie, get the facts before you post your drivel.
There are court records in black and white you righties hate.Yes, I do have a beautiful head of blonde hair. Not at all shocked, you noted it. I can understand your vague insult in regards to my hair. It's called "hair envy". I also noted how little hair you have, that's such a shame. And actually I don't come from the south, but if that suits your delusion have at it.
As for your claim of being a "top-notch writer," you certainly don't construct sentences very well.
"Don't you ever tell anyone who is paying through MY taxes Trump's 6 corporate bankruptcies he filed in 2014."
This sentence is incoherent. And then there is this one.
" So, as the top-notch freelance writer I know I am, do yourself a favor rightie, get the facts before you post your drivel."
You're either inebriated or ill-educated. I tend to think both.
I suggest you converse with those that share your opinions, that and have a similar thought process. as your own. We have zero in common.
No. Things in the freelance writing SEO business are barely there. I'm Trump's worst nightmare.
One of the worst things about someone like me is that I cannot stand bullies and liars. To me, they are like waving a blood red flag in front of a raging bull.
I find it a thrill when I can defy liars and bullies and tantalize and torment them. I know they can't take it and they always want the last word. I cut them off at the pass with facts I KNOW I can prove and they can't.
How do you prove a lie? 90% of a bully is a personal opinion not fact and for me that makes them ripe for the picking.
Trump may not have created this virus. But, this virus created the REAL Trump we are now seeing first hand.
He flies into rages when anyone DARES to contradict him. 2 year old little boys do that too.
He is an obxnoxious, rude, lewd liar who thinks only HE makes all the decisions. No. He does not.
Trump's reckoning is at hand. He cannot lie to medical experts who know more than he ever will. He cannot lie to Americans who are suffering and dying from a virus HE refused to prepare for.
While the right loves to do their Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!
We do not intend to allow them to lie and claim he warned everyone early on NO He did not. As those Navarro memos warning Trump that we have NOW all seen prove.
Trump supporters deserve NO respect for supporting what they know is an evil liar and grifter like Trump.
They want him to be a dictator? Fine. They can have their dictator. Just not on our federal tax dollars.Why not tell us the sky over the heads of Trump supporters is never blue? The blue wave is coming and we intend to make sure the Trump supporters go out with as much misery as your support for a world class liar and grifter, as we can provide.
Get over it Biden will win by a landslide. Trump's days are over. Now you can go and tell Big Daddah that the bully act is over.I hope, Ewent, for all of our sakes, you are right.
Trump supporters are automatons, finding the "off" switch will not be easy.There is only ONE success in Trump's life: FAILURE. He has never ever managed to be the success he pretends he is.
Want proof? Go back to his earliest days in business when Daddy handed him the CEO job over his brother Fred Jr. Daddy gave The Donald $350 million and he squandered every dime of it on luxuries like his yacht, The Princess, the size of an Onassis tanker.
10 years later, he got a flood of lawsuits and defaulted on 6 bank loans to where only 2 US banks would loan him a cent. Deutschebank and the Chicago S&L.
Nothing Trump does is ever a success. But now he is too too in the public eye not to be noticed.
How did his deal to stop North Korea from building more nukes work out? How did his wall? How did his attempts to take over the media come to fruition?
He's a loser from the gutters of Queens NY and a failure.
Trump is asking for what he will get from the governors he is not only cheating out of federal funding for this virus they do the most paying for, but he is violating states rights when he dares to claim he is "total authority" over governors we elect.
The real joke is how since the Civil War the conservatives were the bastion of states' rights and their battle cry was always "States Rights!"
Notice how suddenly the conservatives have gone deathly silent about Trump violating the 10th Amendment?
As Governor Cuomo said this week, "If Trump tries to reopen NY state before it is safe, he will have a constitutional crisis on his hands.
Now, even the bloody red state of LA's governor is also saying the same thing.The Right/conservatives are more hypocrites than authentic. Conservatives only speak of "states rights" when it is convenient and it work in favor of their addled agendas.
There was a report done by the Rockefeller Institute back in May 2013 that analyzed which states were donors and which were "moochers."
Dem states get on average 79 cents for every $1 they pay in federal taxes. The moocher states get from $1.52 up to So. Carolina's $7.87 for what they pay in federal taxes.
If our Dem states don't get it, withhold it and let the moochers go under. Who cares?
As it turns out, 13 all Dem states are the donor of federal funding that 37 moocher states need in order to keep their states out of the red.
This puts money power in the hands of 13 Dem states. Right now NY and NJ need every dime of federal funding that is being handed to moocher states.
I've encouraged an army of FB friends to contact their Dem state governors to temporarily earmark ALL federal tax dollars for this virus.
Give Trump what he wants: His very own deep state federal government. Just don't give him one cent of federal tax dollars.
Since it is the states who collect these federal tax dollars before it goes to the Fed, it is perfectly legal for states to earmark as much of federal tax dollars as their states need.
And, by withholding federal taxes now, it protects SS, Medicare and Medicaid all of which an be dispersed by states. Hand it to Trump and it will disappear.
Also, there is no loss of jobs for federal employees. They simply do their jobs in their home states who will need their experience.
Who cares if the for profit wars in military industry states stop eating up 50% of every annual federal budget? Should we care if the polluter states have to use their state taxes for clean up of their pollution?
Should we cry buckets of tears if the prison industry states can't find excuses to pack their prisons to the rafters so they can beg more federal funding?
This is a win win for states rights by cutting out the federal government which in reality is nothing more than a middle man who sends 85% of our federal tax dollars to Republican states ONLY.
If we don't get it fairly. We keep it.
There isn't a single individual in NY or NJ who doesn't know Trump. He is the ultimate grifter wheeler dealer. His nose is always sniffing out profits for himself and his business. That's a legacy that has been a total failure.
He has been sued over 4,000 times in NJ alone for refusing to pay back wages to his hotel and casino workers and dozens of union contractors he hired to work for him and never paid.
But, when he plays doctor prescribing HClq, there is a reason. Check the origin of who is a stockholder of the company who manufactures it.
One of the major reasons he was in no hurry to make the entire medical community prepare in December for this epidemic is so typical of his usual delays...profit.
So he waited until all of the medical equipment and drug deals could be worked out to his advantage. In the meantime, people were dying because of his delays.Sued 4000 times? I did not know that it was that often. Anyone with that sort of record should be in jail, not the Oval Office.
One of the major reasons Trump has not gone to jail for the same crimes as Gotti, Scarfo and other Mafiosi is that he was able to afford an army of high profile lawyers like Dershowitz, Kasowitz, Sekulow and Felder.
There isn't a person living in NY or NJ who doesn't know these are his back pocket lawyers and not to mention judges like Napolitano and Kavanaugh.
Kavanaugh was the judge here in NJ who oversaw the case of Trump vs. the Casino unions.
Don't wonder why Kavanaugh got the seat on the Supreme Court. The problem for Trump came when his favorite back pocket judge Napolitano was promised that seat on the SC and Trump handed it to Kavanaugh instead.
As Napolitano in a snarky response to being double crossed by Trump said and I quote, "Is that any way to treat a friend?"
LOL Yeah, his stock ownership in companies that make that drug came out the other day. He owns shares of a mutual fund that in turn own some stock in drug companies...including some companies that make HClq. So if that stock goes up so does the mutual fund and Trump makes a few pennies, even though he does not own the stock and has zero control over what the mutual fund buys or sells.
As usual, the stories from the Trump haters are blown completely out of proportion with the intent to convince a reader that something is true (Trump stands to make a fortune with production of HClq) when it simply isn't. A lie, in other words.Sure is easy to make accusations and provide no proof.
Actually for people who do that it isn’t easy. Their IQs prove it. It’s like a parrot. Easy for them to say things but really hard to know the meaning.
What's your IQ? Judging by the Frank Turek article, I'd say not very high.
How would you evaluate the IQ of somebody who would say this:
"It's like in golf... A lot of people - I don't want this to sound trivial - but a lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive... it's weird. You see these great players with these really long putters, because they can't sink three-footers anymore. And, I hate it. I am a traditionalist. I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist."
Serious question, Mike.
What exactly is your standard for proof? Considering that you linked to some self-published piece of trash on Amazon about Obama's many homosexual affairs, I imagine that standard is quite low. Then there's Ken, whose standard is a guy on Youtube named Lucas.
Is making an accusation without proof very far off from that? Isn't that precisely what you're doing?I agree Crank, Ken's use of Youtube videos to prove his "facts" tells one a lot about him. And Mike is no better with his junk.
Crank,
You missed my point entirely.
There is a book that makes the same claims called "Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama" written by a Pulitzer Prize winning author David Garrow.
The point is simply because someone makes an accusation doesn't make it true.
When you are big in society, you become a big target. President Donald Trump has been a very wealthy and successful man his entire life. Many people are going to try and take advantage of him or try to tear him down. It goes with the territory.
I refuse to simply accept what a person says as fact.
Do I think obama had gay relationships? If obama admitted it or there was clearly unalterd photographic evidence, I would consider it. Other than that, it is simply an allegation.
How many times do people have to link to a lawsuit filed saying that President Donald Trump raped a 13 year old girl...BUT they fail to realize it's been filed twice and withdrawn twice without a judges ruling. How many people actually look a little further and realize in the document, it claims the girl told her father about the alleged rape. How many realize, as a father, if your 13 year old daughter tells you she's been raped...you file a law suit? You don't go to the authorities? A little bit of thinking would reveal this claim as quite bogus. It is an unfounded accusation. I need more proof than a person's words.
Do I believe that obama did drugs? Yes. Why? He said so himself.
"When I was a teenager I used drugs, I drank, I pretty much tried whatever was out there. But I was in Hawaii and it was a pretty relaxed place," Obama told the rapper.
"I was lucky that I did not get addicted except to cigarettes which took me a long time to kick. But it does seem as if the speed in which you can get hooked on opiate-based medicines is fierce," the president said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video … there.htmlWell, Mike, I'm glad I missed your point and that you've clarified. It just worries me that you read stuff like that Amazon book you linked to. I don't read sources that would expose me to something like that.
Again though, you kind of avoided the question. What is your standard? Like for climate change for instance. Your standard seems to be a very narrow number of people who claim climate change is a hoax while most of the world's climate scientists say otherwise.
So your standard would appear to be accept any fringe opinion if he aligns with your thinking?First things first, the Amazon book was used as an example of how anybody can make an allegation and that doesn't make it true. So, I think using the Amazon book was a good way to make my point.
When it comes to climate change, there are three different schools of thought. One says there is no climate change, another says there is no man made climate change and the last says there is only man made climate change.
So, do the majority of scientists believe in the last one? Interesting article from Forbes magazine. You see, the 97 percent is based on two articles. It is based on 928 papers with the word climate change in them.
"The 97% number was popularized by two articles, the first by Naomi Oreskes, now Professor of Science History and Affiliated Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University, and the second by a group of authors led by John Cook, the Climate Communication Fellow for the Global Change Institute at The University of Queensland. Both papers were based on analyses of earlier publications. Other analyses and surveys arrive at different, often lower, numbers depending in part on how support for the concept was defined and on the population surveyed.
This public discussion was started by Oreskes’ brief 2004 article, which included an analysis of 928 papers containing the keywords “global climate change.” The article says “none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position” of anthropogenic global warming. Although this article makes no claim to a specific number, it is routinely described as indicating 100% agreement and used as support for the 97% figure.
In the strict sense, the 97% consensus is false, even when limited to climate scientists. "
https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2 … 0c9f011576
See, my standard is higher than just accepting headlines in news stories. I want to know how the consensus was created and what is was based on.
Can you say the same?The Forbes link is good, Mike.
The problem is, the link says the consensus is more likely between 80 and 90%, but to some people, that's justification to question the validity of the overall claim. You'd rather go with the 10-20% on this one?
The evidence for man-made climate change is overwhelming. The science behind global warming and increased CO2 in the atmosphere is also irrefutable. But by bringing up fringe opinion, oil companies and others get to distract people from the truth in the science, making them question science, scientists, how science works; etc.
And not surprisingly, we find ourselves in our present situation because the very foundation for how we determine truth is questioned and maligned and that foundation is eroded and crumbling. Agencies that promote sound scientific practice are maligned, defunded, eliminated; etc."The problem is, the link says the consensus is more likely between 80 and 90%"
Are you happy with the method used to determine this being scanning 998 papers for the word climate change and then when that is found, it is listed as someone who believes in man made climate change?
Sorry, that method is a bit inaccurate for my taste. I think when looking at all the facts and the methodology used to obtain it, that is a real bogus number.
Based on your logic, Galileo should have been labeled anit-science.
"Galileo Galilei was tried in 1633 for spreading the heretical view that the Earth orbits the sun, convicted by the Roman Catholic Inquisition, and remained under house arrest until his death. "
Why don't more scientists come forward with their lack of belief of man made global warming? Punishment.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/punishing- … 1458772173
Those scientists who have disagreed have lost their jobs, been denied funding for their projects, subject to death threats and more.
Galileo was crushed by the Roman Catholic church, who paid the scientists of the day and punished those who did not agree with them.
Today, we have the left. They are the same as the Roman Catholic church of time of Galileo and just as dedicated to have everyone believe as they do no matter what.Sure, Mike. And cigarettes don't cause cancer. Keep smoking!
Yes, because determining a product has a known carcinogen that harms people requires the exact same type of science as studying climate change. I think there may be a bit of a difference.
Also, you say that Trump has been successful all his life?
Wasn't he born into wealth? So how is remaining wealthy successful? He's declared bankruptcy many times. How is that successful?
And if you look at his words, his actual words, they do not reflect an intelligent individual. How is it he's never learned more in his life?
If you equate wealth with success, then all wealthy people are successful?Does leveraging a million dollars into four and half Billion count as successful? Trump not only remained wealthy (if you count a mere million or two as "wealthy", but increased that amount by a thousand fold. Can't see any possible label except "successful here.
How many people have risen to the top in three widely differing fields (acting, business and politics)? How many of those were stupid? How can you possible declare that Trump is not intelligent, or that he knows nothing, with that kind of record?I'm judging his intelligence by the words that come out of his mouth. Most intelligent individuals have decent vocabularies. I have an 11-year-old who has a substantially better vocabulary than our President. I'm judging by the complexity of his thought and his expression of those thoughts. He's one of the least intelligent leaders we've ever seen based on the things that he says, his own words. (the only leader I can think of who seems less intelligent is Duerte from the Philippines). Personally, I would far prefer you as our President, Wilderness, as I think you are probably 20+ IQ points smarter than our President.
Unable to declare bankruptcy, where would he be?
A million dollars? He was worth far more than that. I like that you believe his story that he started with a million dollars. Because he's so truthful and never manipulates stories to make himself look good.You're judging him as "unintelligent" because he doesn't know, and use, the vocabulary your think he should (either yours or that of polished politicians). Then, to top it off, you ignore his successes as if they are of no import.
(Just watched our state governor give a speech on the virus and his response - he makes Trump look like Obama when it comes to the ability to talk into a microphone. But I would hardly classify him as "unintelligent" because of that.)
Doesn't sound like a very good test for intelligence to me.
A great many businesses have gone through bankruptcy, and even more business owners. Is that something also to be set aside and ignored, along with the end result of amassing a fortune, as if it is irrelevant?
More than a million or two? Proof please, or are you just accepting the stories on the web because anything found there is always truthful and never manipulates stories in order to spread discontent and hate?No, not the vocabulary of a polished politician. The vocabulary of an intelligent person.
Let me ask this, was John Gotti a successful businessman? A successful person?
By the standards of our society, Trump is definitely successful. Is he a successful human being?
Where do you get the four and a half billion number from, Dan? It's well known he's used his dad's money as a basis for his Forbes claims, so you must have seen his financial records or tax returns. Or are you simply taking his word for it?
Really? So because we in NY and NJ know what a filthy dirty past Trump has, you love him and his evil?
Figures. Evil is as evil does. Thumping a Bible after years of boozing, womanizing and exploiting the most vulnerable has a price tag.
Trump will not be in the White House in 2021. There are more of us than there are Trump voters.
And get over it. If you love evil, keep your evil SOB Trump to yourselves. We have NO intentions of allowing more Americans to die because he THINKS he is "total authority."
You two faced righties kept Obama on a tight leash so you could unleash a dirty dog sexual predator, money laundering fraud on this country?
Don't wonder why good, decent people will NEVER allow you or Trump to take over.
As has been reported on the news about the resulting reduction in pollution, the COVID-19 virus is just nature's (or God's) way of dealing with climate change. I can hardly wait to see what He (or nature) comes up with next...
This is one reason it is difficult to trust what the government tells us. From the Associated Press.
"US virus numbers now include probable cases without tests
The U.S. tally of coronavirus cases and deaths could soon jump because federal health officials will now count illnesses that are not confirmed by lab testing.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told states Tuesday to include probable COVID-19 cases in their reports to the agency. Previously, most states reported only lab-confirmed cases and deaths.”
https://apnews.com/dea52e0a0eb179d51ac5 … dtOP10CLIgWhat would suggest Mike, using the much in demand needed tests on people already deceased, or just ignore those who possibly died from the virus from the count?
I realize you and Trump want the numbers to appear low, but dang! We all want the numbers to go down, but not artificially for Trump's sake.Having accurate numbers would require testing to make certain a person had indeed died of the Corona virus. Without the testing, there is no way to determine an accurate death count.
This is just an effort to provide bogus numbers. Using this method there is no way to know for certain the number of people who actually died from the Corona virus.
Accurate numbers are essential for determining how to deal with it.
It all comes down to providing an accurate count.Then you have no idea how that works. Estimates is how they calculate flu deaths, big natural disasters deaths. It is how they calculated H1N1 deaths and so on. Of course it would be great we you could know for sure, now and always, but it is not realistic.
Really? Do you have any proof this is how it is done?
It seems like we are getting bogus numbers.I'll get more links but meanwhile...
I posted some links here too.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/347 … us-vs-h1n1
Mike, The IHME’s are due to provide the fourth revision on their model in the next few days. As you know the model has been severely off with numbers fluctuation from 2.5 million downward to 60 thousand. The actual numbers in regards to infection rate and the death toll have so far been collected from actual tests, hospitalizations for COVID19 and deaths caused by the Virus. It now has been reported they have now started to add deaths that they assume were caused by COVID19. In the end, without testing more citizens for the Virus as well as most importantly the titer, those that may have had the virus and gone undetected it will be hard to detect not only the virulence of the virus but the percentage of death to the actual number that acquired the virus.
Just my opinion but I feel once many are tested with titer test we may find out many have had COVID19 throughout the winter flu season, and did not have the need for medical attention, so this population went uncounted. This could very well provide stats that will explain the death toll percentage being high in regards to infections.
Dr. Brix and Fauci have both expressed this possibility early on when they were explaining the models. At any rate, the modeling was severely off on this virus due to just not having the stats needed to predict. Not sure why they would be adding people that are undetermined to have died from COVID19 to the death toll.
The CDC has a specific method for estimating flu stats. It provides a wide range of stat infection rates, as well as the death rate. They mainly use information from Hospitals as well as death records. In the end, they offer a range in stats and those range numbers are left open to correction, sometimes for two years as stats are studied. The lower number is giving provable deaths from death certificates. The upper range numbers are deaths that were most likely caused by the flu but lacked flu tests.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho … imates.htmShar,
Thank you for your input and the link. The numbers really seem off. The CDC link you posted only confirms my suspicion.
A category from the CDC link you provided.
"Limitations of Influenza Burden Estimates
These estimates are subject to several limitations."I also agree the numbers are going to prove to be off. As I said, Dr. Birx in a few of the first press conferences got me to thinking along the line that many have had it, and are not being counted. It will, in the end, be interesting to see the numbers.
Saw a report from an elderly couple on one of the sequestered cruise ships. Never got the disease but to their immense surprise, when they were checked on finally getting off the boat, found that they have antibodies in their bodies for it.
I think we're going to find millions and millions that fought it off without ever realizing they had it.I hope to be able to get the titer test. In Dec I was very ill with all the same symptoms of COVID19, my husband was also but did not require medical intervention. My son was ill he was very ill with symptoms that mimic COVID19. We both required doctoring for a month due to respiratory problems. My community was inundated by this illness. Our ER's were full. I was told I had Bronchitis, as was my son. Neither of us has ever had any form of lung problems. I truly feel we maybe have had COVID19. I have talked with my doctor, and he informed me he has no way of checking at this point. I will pursue the titer test as soon as it is available, as will so many of my friend and neighbors that were ill at the same time.
I agree i believe many have had it, and I also think it came to the US in early Dec.Yes, but do you want to go to the hospital right now....
That was sarcasm, Pete! Anyone still can't get a test, and if they can, the backlog of results from the test is huge.
Ah, thanks Randy, didn't get that one. Thought maybe the things were a bit more advanced in the States than in Spain...
Testing is not the answer, it only gives insight. And it can be helpful but it's not a remedy or holy grail. I think In the end, a lockdown will help. But only if people take it seriously.
Over here it's really strict. You are not allowed to go outside in groups of two or more. Only one person in a car to do essential shopping. Shops that are not essential are closed. (the whole tourism and culture industry basically. bars, club, restaurants, hotels etc etc.)
A friend of mine got fined while walking with her dog near the river instead of in her village.
It's a weird situation. Great for nature and the best thing that could happen to stop the climate crisis we are in.
But my fear is that it will be used to get more control over the people in the end. In times of crisis, governments love to get through rules and regulations that in normal times would never pass.
Just like 9/11 changed the world, so has this little virus changed the world for good. Back to before is not going to happen.It would still be better to be able to test more people than we presently are, and hopefully we can increase the number.
yes it would, as you will have a better overview of the situation.
Wilderness, Did you see this Stanford Study?
"The prevalence study, led by Stanford Assistant Professor Eran Bendavid, has not been formally published and is still undergoing peer reviews. It has, however, been published on the preprint server medRxiv. As such, it is effectively a first draft, subject to change based on input before formal publication.
That said, the early findings indicate that between 48,000 and 81,000 residents in Santa Clara County were infected as of April 1, back when the official count was 956. The estimate is based on 3,330 blood samples that were taken from volunteers in Mountain View, Los Gatos and San Jose on April 3 and April 4 and tested for antibodies to SARS-CoV-"
https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2020/04 … oronavirus
Trump administration projecting 3K daily coronavirus deaths by June
New internal projections from the Trump administration suggest U.S. deaths will grow on a daily basis to 3,000 by the beginning of June, weeks after states have begun reopening their economies.
The startling figures from models produced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) come as more and more states take steps to remove social distancing measures meant to slow the spread of COVID-19.
"We’re not even talking about a second wave here, we’re talking about a first wave that never goes away and gets worse,” said one former Health and Human Services (HHS) official.
The figures estimated the U.S. would see 3,000 deaths per day and 200,000 new cases per day by June 1. Experts and those familiar with the documents said the increases could be attributed to a spread of disease that will come with reopening the economy and partly to an expected expansion of testing, leading to more confirmed cases.
Trump on Sunday revised his personal prediction for the domestic death toll, saying the U.S. could lose up to 100,000 people from the coronavirus after previously suggesting it would be closer to 60,000.
Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the White House coronavirus response, said on “Fox News Sunday” that the projections she’s been using “have always been between 100,000 and 240,000 American lives lost, and that's with full mitigation and us learning from each other of how to social distance.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … -difficultEven after respiratory symptoms fade, coronavirus victims face danger
Doctors are beginning to notice a troubling blood-clotting phenomenon, which is occurring more frequently in patients who have the virus. These clots are also being discovered in younger coronavirus patients and can result in sudden strokes or death.
“There’s something about this virus that’s exaggerated that to the nth degree,” said Mitchell Levy, chief of pulmonary critical care and sleep medicine at the Warren Albert School of Medicine. “We’re seeing clotting in a way in this illness that we have not seen in the past.”
https://www.foxnews.com/health/even-aft … new-danger15 children are hospitalized in New York City with an inflammatory syndrome that could be linked to coronavirus
Fifteen children in New York City have been hospitalized with symptoms compatible with a multi-system inflammatory syndrome possibly linked to coronavirus, according to a health alert issued by the New York City Health Department on Monday.
At least five of the cases required a ventilator and more than half of the patients required blood pressure support
A team at Stanford Children's Hospital in California has reported a case with similar features.
Pediatric specialists in the UK recently warned that a small number of children were becoming ill with the rare syndrome that could be linked to coronavirus. The Paediatric Intensive Care Society UK (PICS) warned about a small rise in the number of cases of critically ill children, some who had tested positive for Covid-19, presenting "overlapping features of toxic shock syndrome and atypical Kawasaki disease with blood parameters."
Similar cases have also been reported in Italy and Spain.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/05/heal … index.htmlI just heard back from my local health department. I tested positive for Covid-19. I'm in quarantine for a few weeks. Guess I'll get to post more in the forums.
You are only trolling. It's always the same. It's suddenly election time and people start to post on the hubpage forums who have never been here before. Let alone write an article.
I guess you are paid by Tonald Drump himself.
Sorry ,but your credibility is zero.I do think you may be right about this person's motives. But, I don't think he is here to promote Trump. Trump certainly doesn't want any more COVID cases. In fact if you remember it was Trump that stated he "they should stop counting". This one here for Biden.
I just said that to hold a mirror. You are probably right. But sometimes the extreme right is faking the democratic voice to show the republicans what an ass$$&/" they are...And so giving the republican voter a good feeling about their choice.
Remember Jake? He did the same thing with talking about clown Trump this and clown Trump that. It doesn't work and kills a conversation.
It is a trick to widen the gap between left and right, instead of trying to find common ground. Because that's what the US needs in my opinion. More common ground between the two parties, but maybe that's not possible. I do not knowWhether you believe me or not, I cannot control. But on August 10, I started to develop what I believed to be a head cold. The symptoms passed within a few days. What I felt was a fever, persisted.
But just to be safe, I figured I would get a Covid test. After being stonewalled by our local county health department since they wanted a referral from a primary care physician, I called my physician's office and left them a message, but they did not return my call. Three days later, I did a Covid test at a walk-in clinic in town that did not need a referral. At the test, my temperature was just 98.9 degrees so I thought I may have just been overly concerned.
Five days later, I received a call from the clinic that I had received a positive result for Covid-19. The following morning, you get a call from your local county health representative to talk about all the people who you've had contact with.
As my first symptoms were 10 days prior, I was not required to quarantine, although I have been for extra safety. Two days after the test, I had some chills and weakness. Six days, I can understand why some have complained of 'fogginess.' You just feel a little off. Breathing through my nose has been a little off, like that feeling you have when you have a head cold and your breath feels a little warmer than normal through that passage.
I was likely exposed to the virus when I was out on a hike on August 6. We had an unmasked interaction at the top of a summit with four kids from high-risk states who had ignored our state's two-week quarantine protocols.
That's a lot of detail for a fabrication.
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