Why is Everyone So Worked Up Over the Coronavirus?

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  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

    Trump finally implements DPA after approving it 12 days ago. What was he waiting for?

  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
    Sharlee01posted 5 years ago

    Thanks Randy...  You stay well, follow all the precautions, they really do help.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I have no problem with isolation, Shar. In fact, I prefer it. My wife and I live 5 miles from any sort of commercial establishment with very few neighbors, and none we aren't related to. We have a several hundred acre farm with cattle and a full pantry and freezer.

      We're ready for the zombie attack. yikes

      1. MizBejabbers profile image95
        MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        That sounds like paradise, Randy. My son in Texas lives out like that. He has 30 acres with a creek in the middle a few miles from Tyler. If they got too hungry, they could kill one of the wild hogs they have to watch out for. If things get too bad, I guess we could go live down there, except that my husband doesn't like Texas. But they are living in a tiny house while they build their house. But I guess we could buy a mobile home or a camper trailer and get blown away. Even that would be better than dying from the coronavirus.

      2. Ken Burgess profile image70
        Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        That explains a lot.

        Its easy to support the elites perspectives when you are detached from the working-middle-class Americans, you don't have to contend with interacting with countless people daily, traffic, noisy neighbors, homeless on the street corners, you are as free from those realities as the elites in Congress... detached from the daily grind.

        1. Valeant profile image76
          Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Seriously, Ken.  Who do you think you are?  You judge the entirety of his life experience by the fact that he lives a little off the beaten path.  Makes me wonder how someone who grew up in such a liberal area like Cape Cod could turn into such a conservative.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          lol It's not as if I don't get out in the world, Ken. I"m no elitist by any stretch of your imagination. I do enjoy the lack of traffic and noisy neighbors though. As well as the daily grind, as you put it.

        3. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Ken, Hey Randy was sharing. I think we could all do a bit of that with all the problems this crisis is causing. It has upended many of us.  Hey, how about you share what's going on with you while you are in lockdown. I mean we will have plenty of time to fight on another day. You and your loved ones stay safe and well...

          1. Ken Burgess profile image70
            Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            As you are so kind to defend one who is so quick to be harsh towards others, I will defer to your sensibility.

            I have two young teens at home, my wife is a RN who will be working in a COVID-19 wing, and I am a Security Supervisor for a place that is all too busy, and has too many people continually coming through from all over the world (not an airport).

            I will be in the thick of what is to come in the near future, as I was for 9/11, as will my wife, I can't say I'm overly thrilled for it.

            Thank you for the well wishes, to you and yours as well.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I was just making an attempt to promote calm, sharing here in this small community. I have since realized it is not something that is possible.
              Prayers are coming your way... Stay safe

          2. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks Shar, but I don't pay Ken much attention. My daughter is an RN and my grandson in Atlanta has a wife who's a nurse as well. They are both working their butts off during this crisis and I worry very much about their welfare.

            Simply because I'm relatively safe from the epidemic doesn't mean I don't worry about anyone. We all will be affected by this  virus in some manner.

            1. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Seriously, best of luck to all and especially those in healthcare.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I think we should all take a step back, and realize we are all on edge, vulnerable due to this virus.  It would not hurt to be a bit kinder to each other.  I can imagine the worry our wife and you n=must be under having two nurses in the field. Yes, we are all affected by this virus. Some will have to endure the death of loved ones. Some will be economically destroyed. Some will be psychologically destroyed. Our country will see the destruction for some time to come. A will the world.

              I will pray for you and yours. ( praying gives me comfort).

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks for your prayers although I'm not religious. Good thoughts are always welcome in any case. Hope we all come through unscathed by this terrible virus.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh, Randy, I have to laugh... I figured you most likely were not too religious.  I will keep good thoughts. But, I am sending some prayers your way, just in case.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Okay, but I have my prayerblocker on! tongue  I have to around here with most of my relatives being Southern Baptists of some sort or another.

      3. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        This is wonderful, one less friend I will have to worry about...  You're a lucky stiff Randy. 

        You know what Randy I see a bit of sharing going on here... I like this.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I realize I'm lucky, Shar. I share my land and wilderness with my friends as they love to hunt, fish, and camp on our land. We all need to get through this virus as best we can.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I agree. Viruses don't have a political party. They do not discriminate. We are all in the same boat.

  3. Valeant profile image76
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

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  4. Valeant profile image76
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

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  5. Valeant profile image76
    Valeantposted 5 years ago
    1. crankalicious profile image81
      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Let's listen to Rudy!



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  6. IslandBites profile image68
    IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the faces of the Trump administration's coronavirus task force, on Sunday warned that the novel coronavirus could infect millions of people in the United States and account for more than 100,000 deaths.

    Speaking on CNN's "State of the Union," Fauci said that, based on what he's seeing, the U.S. could experience between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from Covid-19.

    "We're going to have millions of cases," Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, noting that projections are subject to change, given that the disease's outbreak is "such a moving target."

  7. Valeant profile image76
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    11 to 100,000, what went wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_arjED6ohg

  8. Valeant profile image76
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

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    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I must break my own commitment...  Enjoyed your comment.

  9. Readmikenow profile image83
    Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

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    1. crankalicious profile image81
      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      While I agree with this cartoon, I think the question boils down to this: who do you trust to deal with the coronavirus, those who trust science and scientists or those who don't?

      1. wilderness profile image78
        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Who do you trust, politicians more interested in their personal power or a man that makes mistakes but tries to do best for everyone?

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          PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I don't trust anyone who lies incessantly .

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Some don't believe he lies, Sandy. He simply "exaggerates" all of the time. tongue

          2. wilderness profile image78
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Hmm.  That would be every politician in Washington.  And most of those stuck in state congress as well.

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              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              If you say it, it must be tue, no matter the level of exaggeration. Who does that remind you of?

              1. wilderness profile image78
                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Do you disagree?  Do know politicians that never lie (exaggerate, spin, intentionally give wrong impressions, etc.)?  Or do you share my opinion that politicians make their living telling lies to the rest of us?  Can you possibly listen to a politician on the stump and believe that they truly intend to follow through on all their promises?  Even the Great Obama admitted he had no intention of passing the ACA; that we would have to elect him again to get that promise.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  "Do know politicians that never lie (exaggerate, spin, intentionally give wrong impressions, etc.)? "

                  Not to the extent Donald does. Give me an example of a comparable liar in DC. It should be a piece of cake as there are so many according to you.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Now, you're doing what you often do, sliding the bar away from your original statement,

                  I said:  "I don't trust anyone who lies incessantly ."

                  You replied: "Hmm.  That would be every politician in Washington.  And most of those stuck in state congress as well."

                  Now, you've changed it to:  "Do know politicians that never lie (exaggerate, spin, intentionally give wrong impressions, etc.)? "

                  This is why it's a waste of time to talk with you. When caught, you attempt to slither away by changing the bar.

                  Not interested.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I'm still waiting on Dan to give a comparable liar to Trump, Sandy. I'll be waiting a long time I'll wager.

                  2. wilderness profile image78
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Of course you're not, for you can't (honestly) answer the question.  If it makes you feel better, do you know any politicians that don't spin, exaggerate or intentionally give the wrong impression on a steady basis?  A politician that commonly tells the whole story rather than the portion they want you to hear?  You can even expand that to major "news" organizations if you like, for the do much the same any more: intentionally spin a story, with only part of the relevant information, to give a false impression.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Dan, I applaud your fortitude. However, it is so evident that Crankalicious has a very strong opinion that he feels the president has failed in his job to handle the virus crisis.  It is very evident the President not only respects Dr,  Fauci and Dr. Birx, both scientists in the study of viruses, but he is also taking their advice and so far following that advice.

          The Dem's in Washington called Trump a racist when he closed our borders to China. That's factual. So is it that Trump, in the end, has done nothing but listen to all on his task force.

          He has a right to his opinion, so do you. In the end, it well appears the president has supported and acted on the word of the Scientist on his task force.  He puts them front and center every day to provide us with updates. The meme just does not represent the facts. Trump is doing a wonderful job, he is keeping us as safe as he can, he is keeping us informed, and he is trying to help financially. He is stockpiling so this kind of problem will not occur again. I for one am proud and amazed to see all that is being accomplished. Hey, to each their own. Your fighting a losing battle with Crank...

          1. wilderness profile image78
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, I don't know.  Crank can think when he can set aside his feelings about Trump.  Some of the others here don't seem to have that ability at all.  Either that or they're so wound up about anything Trump does or says that it consumes their whole life.

            1. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Thanks, Dan. I feel the same way about you.

              All evidence points to Trump not taking this seriously and now the spin machine has gone into full swing and Trump's sheeple are trying to pretend like Trump didn't say the things he said about the virus and didn't take it seriously. Remember "it's all under control" and "this will be over soon... like a miracle"?

              A much better tack for the Trumpers is to point to the shift by scientists on masks. Now, it seems, scientists are saying masks ARE necessary. So the easy conclusion there is that no matter what President Trump did and no matter how seriously he took this early on, the lack of guidance from the scientific community on masks means that no matter what Trump did, his efforts would have come up short.

              That doesn't excuse him for dismissing the seriousness of the virus or for Trumpers so easily parroting the Fox spin. You know, when their Fuhrer says something, they say it too. And when his state-run news channel (Fox) says something, it's amazing how quickly it pops up in these forums.

              Even Mitch McConnell has said Trump's response was inadequate, but Mitch blames impeachment and the Dems for distracting everyone.

              I think anyone who says Trump's response was "great" and "perfect" is a Trump sheeple or on drugs. However, if you think about the perfect response and how Americans might have reacted to early shut downs and such, I think the math suggests a limit to the success of even the perfect response. The range of infections and death would probably have stayed within a certain range no matter what. Unfortunately, so many people in these forums have demonstrated they are mathematically illiterate, that discussing such things seems pointless.

              Again though, I fall back to Trump's basic assertion that science is all a hoax and that he always knows better and has a natural ability to understand things better than our experts. It is that attitude, precisely, that will never produce optimal results.

              1. wilderness profile image78
                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "So the easy conclusion there is that no matter what President Trump did and no matter how seriously he took this early on, the lack of guidance from the scientific community on masks means that no matter what Trump did, his efforts would have come up short."

                With this I think anyone objectively reasoning their way would agree.  NOTHING Trump, or anyone else, did would have prevented a massive problem.  People WILL have died no matter what steps we took, even if the idiots on spring break and other gatherings had not done that.

                My grandson works at WalMart, for instance, stocking shelves.  He is at great risk, as is his family, and nothing will, or could have, changed that.

                Yes, we see now things that we could have done differently.  We see that the Chinese are, and were, lying badly about the disease.  We see that banning travel was smart but insufficient; we should have banned internal travel as well.

                No question that mistakes were made, no question that we ALL down-played the virus.  Only time, and guesswork, will tell if we should have done more, causing vastly more damage to our economy, or not.  Never forget that people are going to be in massive trouble because of a failing economy.  I said before that our response MUST be balanced between saving lives and saving the economy that we all depend on for the very food on our tables, for our home, for heat in cold weather and AC in hot.

                Nor does it help to make gross exaggerations about Trump's "basic assertion that science is all a hoax".  It's hard to think of a greater exaggeration and does nothing to help anything.  If anything it hurts as people will pick up on it, believe such nonsense, and ignore anything he says, including instructions on how to mitigate the virus effects.  A decent case can be made that the millions of people making this silly assertion does at least as much damage as Trump has done with his comments.  Trump has said a lot of things, I believe, in an effort to keep the country calm and out of a panic situation - your comment can only cause panic, without helping anything at all.

                1. crankalicious profile image81
                  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  It's not an exaggeration to say that Trump treats science as a hoax. There's ample evidence to support that assertion.

                  Again, anyone who says he knows more than the experts, is stupid.

                2. hard sun profile image76
                  hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  "People WILL have died no matter what steps we took, even if the idiots on spring break and other gatherings had not done that."

                  When was the last time the US lead the way among "developed" nations in a stat such as most cases of a virus? And, we aren't even testing as much as many of these nations. The leader has to take some responsibility here. Well, not if the people don't hold him accountable. I'm sure that Trump supporters, and Fox news, would have given Obama such a benefit of the doubt. Americans would have died no matter who were President..but, come on man.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image61
                    Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    The feds can give guidelines and the states make the decisions on what to implement and what not to.

                    Although it would have been political suicide I do wonder if Trump could have (not certain he has the power) quarantined areas like New York. Banning any from entry or exit, until they beat the virus. If we could have done that, it may have nipped this in the bud at the outset and made it might possible to divert a large percentage of resources.

                    However it would be open to massive lawsuits, violations of constitutional rights and fear of the government being too authoritarian.

  10. Readmikenow profile image83
    Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

    It appears the death rate for Coronavirus is now less than 1 percent.  According to men of science.

    "As such, the death rate of a disease is changeable, and depends on a variety of factors. These include the location of an outbreak, the health status of the infected person, and how much data has been accurately collected on the cases and deaths caused by the disease.

    The infection fatality ratio, or portion of all those infected and accounting for unreported cases who die, is thought to be 0.66 percent."

    https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-de … ts-1495308

    1. Readmikenow profile image83
      Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      "Newsweek hasn't fact checked its articles since 1995"

      Sure is easy to come online and make accusations with no proof...isn't it?


      Nesweek is just the vehicle, the statistics came from John Hopkins University.

      From the article.

      "According to Johns Hopkins University and indicated in the Statista map below"

      1. crankalicious profile image81
        crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Mike, I applaud you for not deviating from your efforts to downplay this whole thing. Good job.

        The death rate isn't as important as the infection rate and the lack of a vaccine to prevent the virus's spread. I'm stunned that you and others don't seem to understand that.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          You do realize how hard many are working all over the world to come up with a vaccine to a previously unknown virus?  The infection rate is very important the prevention of the spread with the mitigation requests that the Taskforce has put in place is precisely why the spread is under some control and ultimately decreases the death toll. The death toll really tells us if the mitigations are working. I am stunned you don't realize the importance of the death toll.

          Guess I consider the Bottomline, the death toll an indicator if all our efforts are working.  At this point, all is being done to come up with a vaccine as well as other treatment plans to decrease death.

          The death toll as it falls tells us we are on our way to being able to somewhat control the virus until the day we create a vaccine. Takes time to create a vaccine, that's just a fact.

          I watch the death toll overall. It gives me an idea of how well our measures are working, and where more measures in regard to areas in the country we need further measures. The death tolls remain low for Covid19 in the above states.

          Lots of variables to consider, population, it even appears in states like Hawaii, New Mexico, and Puerto Rico numbers may, (and I say may are decreased possibly due to climate. It could be due to the citizens doing better with mitigations. But, it does appear with past virus warmer climates do better-eradicating flu much quicker.

          1. IslandBites profile image68
            IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Jesus...


            SMH

            1. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Nk

          2. crankalicious profile image81
            crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I am not constantly downplaying the importance of this like Mike who is using the death rate to minimize what is going on. Those who are taking this seriously and have from the beginning do so because of the math related to the virus’s infection rate and potential and the fact that there is no immunity or vaccine to stop it.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I see where you are coming from, I have been following your comments. And see your point. My comment was in no way meant to minimize any aspect of this crisis.

              I am watching all stats at this point to measure how well the mitigation is working. In my opinion, one death is too many. We have been warned that the virus is virulent and spreads easily, which will produce large numbers of cases. The only thing we have to decrease spread is mitigation. It will take time to create a vaccine, as well as new treatments to help those infected.  This is a variable we need to face. It is my hope the one variable we can change is the death toll. Right now it's all about caring for the sick, making sure they get the medical care they need, to ensure they recover, live.

              So, I guess that's one reason I watch the death toll. If I see the cases getting the virus to go up and the death rate go down,  I assume more are getting the healthcare they need and survive.  This is all I think today we can ask for... But, in the coming weeks, I hope to see mitigations bring down the cases of infection come way down, as well as the death toll.

              I hope I have explained why at this point I am watching the death toll. Like

            2. Ken Burgess profile image70
              Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              This is correct there is no vaccine, there is no immunity, and the majority of humans have never been exposed to it meaning they are fully susceptible to it.

              The estimates of experts during Trump's briefings stated that they hope to have a vaccine in a year and a half.

              So for the next year and a half, we will most likely be contending with situations (work, travel, number of ill) worse than they are now.

              As this goes on, "normal" activities will be halted, and tens of millions will be out of work.

              So... is it any wonder that the President tries to go out there and say America can get through this, hopefully we can be back to normal in a month, that things will bounce back when this is over.

              Imagine having a President come out and say the opposite:  "Millions are going to die, tens of millions of jobs will be lost never to return, we are doomed as a nation"... that sounds more like a Democrats' schtick, one that wouldn't have very positive results under the circumstances.

              He gets out there daily and says... the experts are working on a cure, we have medicines that might help, we will get through it and we will bounce back... and only the idiots who don't care about America or Americans are wasting energy trying to tear him down now.

              The media sources and Democratic politicians that are still on the attack...they deserve nothing but scorn, all they are doing is flaming the fear and doubts, they are truly despicable people.

        2. wilderness profile image78
          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I'm hearing that a vaccine is at least a year out.  Do you have suggestions on how to produce one?  Should we forget the massive testing that is what takes the time?  Should we ignore possible side effects, or not consider how effective it is?

          What can we do to produce a vaccine more rapidly?  I hear that one is available, just entering the testing stage; should we simply begin production and give it to everyone?

          1. crankalicious profile image81
            crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Dan, I hear that malaria drugs will solve our problems.

  11. IslandBites profile image68
    IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

    White House projects 100K to 240K coronavirus deaths as Trump tells US to prepare for ‘very painful two weeks’

    A somber President Trump told Americans to brace for “a very painful two weeks" and warned of thousands of more virus-related deaths.

    “This is going to be a rough two week period,” Trump said. “As a nation we’re going to have a really rough two weeks. Our strength will be tested and our endurance will be tried.”

    At another point, Trump said: "This could be a hell of a bad two weeks. This is going to be a very bad two or maybe even three weeks. This is going to be three weeks like we've never seen before."

    USA

    Total cases: 187,729   
    New cases: +23,941   
    Total deaths: 3,867   
    New deaths: +726

  12. IslandBites profile image68
    IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

    Meanwhile...

    USA   

    Total cases: 214,465   
    New cases: +25,935   
    Total deaths: 4,842   
    New deaths: +789   

    sad

    1. peterstreep profile image80
      peterstreepposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      And rising.
      The problem is that many people don't take the virus seriously as nothing has happened in their own community yet. The President was downplaying the virus for a long time with all its consequences.

      ---"Second, President Trump says that the coronavirus will go away soon. Why can't people just have faith in our President. He says there's nothing to worry about."----

      Because the president didn't take the virus seriously, lots of other people didn't, as they looked for the leader of a country. And copied his behaviour. With unnecessary deaths as a result.

      It's still not over. As long as people are ignorant and going to the park and don't take enough physical distance while shopping the virus is going to spread.
      Cities are worst off as people are dependent on shops, places where more people come together.

      Over here in Spain at the moment, you are fined if you wander too far off while walking with the dog.
      And the US probably thought, o well, it's Italy, Spain, China. That's far away. This positive bias thinking that was clearly shown by president Trump has costed lives. That's a sad thing,

      1. Ken Burgess profile image70
        Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Trump closed the border to travel from China, the EU and WHO blasted him for it when he did it.

        Now Spain and Italy and France are dealing with an epidemic that is far worse than what we have in America.

        Yeah, the leaders in Spain are great, they were allowing marches all across Spain as recently as March 8th, 'Women's Day" I believe it was.  Brilliant leadership there.  I'm sure those mass marches didn't help spread it any.

        No one reacted more quickly, or with more consideration, than the Trump Administration to this pandemic.

        1. peterstreep profile image80
          peterstreepposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Spain acted inadequately as well. The Women's Day march (great that you know about it.) was a big mistake as it helped the virus spreading enormously.
          At the same time Tump said the following:
          2nd of March -“We’re talking about a much smaller range” of deaths than from the flu"
          4th of March “It’s very mild,”
          .On March 7, he said, “I’m not concerned at all.”
          March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on Coronavirus.”
          On March 10, he promised: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
          On March 10, the World Health Organization reported 113,702 cases of the virus in more than 100 countries.

          March the 8th was apparently was when the shock really hit the world. But it should have been February the 8th. As the whole month of February, hardly anything was done in the western world, although the virus was spreading in Asia..
          President Trump was not the only leader who had it completely wrong. Thinking that it would pass.
          Sadly enough it's much more then a flew. It's the start of an economic crisis.

        2. IslandBites profile image68
          IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          No one reacted more quickly, or with more consideration, than the Trump Administration to this pandemic.

          Wow. SMH

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Ditto.

          2. crankalicious profile image81
            crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            The kind of response you'd expect from one of Trump's sheeple.

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              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Who, of course, is not defending Trump, but is merely a crusader for truth and accuracy.

              1. peterstreep profile image80
                peterstreepposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Which is not an easy thing to do at the same time...

                1. crankalicious profile image81
                  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  No one reacted more quickly, or with more consideration, than the Trump Administration to this pandemic.

                  A person who can actually type such a thing has no grasp of reality - or is operating in a completely different reality. Trump's own words completely contradict the conclusion of the sentence above.

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                    PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    But, remember, his fans like to say his words are meaningless, only his actions matter. That might be sorta kinda reasonable if the purveyors of this nonsense held a realistic view of Trump's actions. Instead, they seem to ignore the crap he actually does and give him credit for what others do. If anyone should get credit for slowing the pandemic, it should be the governors who took early action by closing nonessential businesses and issuing stay-at-home orders.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Here is an article that chronically provides what Trump did and when. I think it will perhaps clear up what Trump did, and when he did it. It also gives some context to a few of the trump quotes in your comment.

        Trump was taking reports from The World Health Organization (WHO) that reinforced China’s falsehoods, saying on Jan. 14 that “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China.” This was five to six weeks after the opposite was confirmed. Trump also was being informed by the CDC daily on the progress of the virus.

        https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/31/th … he-danger/

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Japan, South Korea, and Thailand reported their first cases of novel coronavirus on JAN. 20.

            On JAN. 21, the first case of coronavirus in the United States was reported, of a man who had traveled from Wuhan, China. That is the case President Trump referred to the next day

            JAN. 24: The CDC confirmed the second U.S. case of coronavirus, adding again that “based on what we know right now, the immediate risk to America remains low.”

            JAN. 28: The WHO published another statement about the coronavirus, with a photograph and headline saying: “WHO, China leaders discuss next steps in battle against coronavirus outbreak.” Pictured are WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in Beijing with Chinese President Xi Jinping. According to the release, “The WHO delegation highly appreciated the actions China has implemented in response to the outbreak, its speed in identifying the virus and openness to sharing information with WHO and other countries.”

            Think about that: On Jan. 28, the WHO praised China for its “speed and openness” in dealing with the virus. The same day, President Trump expanded U.S. airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines.

            On JAN. 30, the WHO declared a global health emergency of international concern.

            On Jan. 30, the CDC confirmed publicly for the first time the person-to-person spread of Wuhan virus and applauded WHO’s decision. THAT VERY DAY, the president created the White House Coronavirus TASK Force to coordinate efforts regarding this new disease.

            The next day, JAN. 31, the president declared coronavirus a U.S. public health emergency and issued the BAN ON TRAVEL between the United States and China. (Biden criticized President Trump’s China travel ban, saying during an Iowa campaign event, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia.”)

            FEB. 4: The White House directed the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to step up coronavirus diagnostic testing procedures.

            FEB. 5: The CDC issued a PUBLIC STATEMENT  saying, “While we continue to believe the immediate risk of 2019nCoV exposure to the general public is low, CDC is undertaking measures to help keep that RISK LOW.”

            FEB. 18: The CDC reaffirmed that the “risk to Americans from coronavirus is LOW”

            FEB. 20: The administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for Japan and South Korea.

            It was not until FEB. 26 that the FIRST CASE of suspected local transmission in the United States was announced by the CDC. President Trump that day named Vice President Pence to lead the Coronavirus Task Force. The next day, FEB. 27, Pence named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.

            On FEB. 29, the first death from the coronavirus was recorded in the United States. On that date, President Trump halted travel with Iran.

            On MARCH 11, the WHO declared coronavirus a worldwide pandemic. The next day, on MARCH 12, President Trump imposed travel restrictions on Europe and elsewhere. Biden criticized that decision also.

            Then, on MARCH 13, President Trump declared a national emergency.

            The single most important step taken by President Trump was his closing of U.S. travel with China, which happened on Jan. 31, something the president reminds us at every briefing.


            He’s right, but what he doesn’t say is he made that decision at a time the CDC was assuring us the risk to America was low, the WHO was covering for China, Democrats were trying to impeach the president, and Biden was attacking the decision as xenophobic.

            AS you see by the timeline above the Trump administration followed the National Security Council playbook almost to the letter.

            A 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics laid out what to do on most fronts when trying to curb the spread of the disease. The first responsibility is to the individual's states for the welfare of their citizens and healthcare workers. The Federal Government is a backup, which in this case was very necessary for this crisis. It is up to Governors to request supplies which most have done. The president depleted the stockpile and has made every effort to obtain supplies from all types of sources to fill the requests. I suppose one could blame the Trump administration for not realizing the Obama administration did not have a sufficient stockpile. Although what president would ever imagine a crisis such as this virus. It would appear those responsible for these stockpiles may have been lacks for, who knows to how long.

            At any rate, I feel amazed at the number of all the needed supplies that are being acquired with such speed.  And I can't imagine how many more we would have died if Trump did not shut the borders to China, Europe, and the UK. This and him listening to his task force about hunting down this country promoting mitigations will be in the end what will keep the death rate down. Not sure what they will do next winter, because this virus will surely be back.

            I would imagine we won't agree on the way Trump handled this crisis, but I think he did a good job, and I think in the end he saved a lot of lives.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Of course you do, Shar. I expected nothing less...

              No response to the wiki description of the Federalist?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I do not as a rule like the Federalist, I think they are clearly not the best source. I was looking for a simple timeline. Most timelines included Trump's personal tweets and opinion statements he made at his press conferences. I don't always appreciate his statements.  I spent time today to really have a look at the timeline, he worked quickly. But, he was slammed by most articles due to the depleted Government stockpiles. Not sure I would blame him for that. It seems most of the states Gov as well as the Obama ad. lacked at keeping a good medical supply stockpile. This is a problem, and should not have happened.

        2. peterstreep profile image80
          peterstreepposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          But the simple fact remains.
          South Korea 4 deaths per million
          USA 25 deaths per million
          Covid-19 hit both countries at the same time.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-con … tm_source=

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Your stats are correct. And after doing some reading it appears S. Korea was very quick to start testing. We were at a disadvantage due to lack of test kits. The USA took it's time to developed test kits on this virus. In my opinion, in the end, the mitigations will keep the death toll down, even perhaps lower than some of the yearly fuls we have experienced.  I can only hope...I am staying positive, does no good to wring hands or blame anyone for a  virus.

            My link was to point out the timeline of how the Government handled the crisis in the very first days. Many are just not aware of what was acctually done.

            1. peterstreep profile image80
              peterstreepposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Let's hope so.

  13. EdwardLane profile image73
    EdwardLaneposted 5 years ago

    Thanks for your widening discussion of this topic. You sure got a great response!

  14. hard sun profile image76
    hard sunposted 5 years ago

    Also data from John Hopkins: "The U.S. topped 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for the first time Wednesday, a daily death toll more than double that of two of America's most deadly illnesses – lung cancer and the flu."

    ---Is it now time to take this seriously? Trump even finally came around, if he doesn't change his mind sometime today.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more- … r-BB122UBy

  15. PhoenixV profile image66
    PhoenixVposted 5 years ago

    Never let a plague go to waste, when playing partisanship.

    1. crankalicious profile image81
      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I definitely think that, during a plague, one should not let falsehoods slide by unchallenged.

      1. PhoenixV profile image66
        PhoenixVposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        All the falsehoods or just your favorites.

  16. paradigmsearch profile image59
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    Well, sports fans...

    My county has just ordered us to wear masks in public. That's right, "ordered". Here's the key quote: "law enforcement agencies throughout the county have the authority to enforce these orders as they deem necessary".

    1. Ken Burgess profile image70
      Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It could be a lot worse, trust me.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9mxpkPEy0Y

      1. paradigmsearch profile image59
        paradigmsearchposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Good video. That's probably next.

  17. IslandBites profile image68
    IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

    “Well, it’s tragically fitting that we’re talking at the beginning of Holy Week because this is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans’ lives, quite frankly,” Adams told “Fox News Sunday,” comparing it to historic national tragedies. “This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11 moment, only it’s not going to be localized. It’s going to be happening all over the country. And I want America to understand that.”

    Vice Admiral Jerome Adams, Surgeon General

  18. paradigmsearch profile image59
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    Well, I've been self-quarantining for the last several days. Today I had to go to the pharmacy and the grocery store. The stores were disinfecting the carts after each use. Most people were wearing masks, some employees and customers were not. I was told cops are handing out citations. I was standing outside, a patrol car drove by; I'm sure he admired my new, red, sexy, bandanna. Still lots of empty store shelves and shortages; I'm kind of surprised the hoarding is still going on. One brilliant idea I got when I got home; I threw all the bags of canned goods into a corner; I'll give them a couple days for the virus to die before unpacking them. Am back in quarantine; I'll know in two weeks if I caught it.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, it's like a secret spy mission everytime you go out shopping. I do believe there is a market for Tee shirts with a logo of, This is not a stick-up, especially if one is wearing a mask. yikes

      1. paradigmsearch profile image59
        paradigmsearchposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Took me awhile to remember the red bandanna over the face is the classic western motif for robbing a bank, etc. I'll try to remember to quit wearing it when the county's mask order is rescinded. big_smile

  19. Readmikenow profile image83
    Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

    Let us put this in perspective.  Doing this is to wonder exactly why this is happening.  The death rate for Coronavirus is not even close to the number of annual deaths from the common flu.  Yet, everyone is very comfortable with the thousands of annual deaths from the common flu.

    "Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season

    CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1). The number of influenza-associated illnesses that occurred last season was similar to the estimated number of influenza-associated illnesses during the 2012–2013 influenza season when an estimated 34 million people had symptomatic influenza illness."

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/20 … jvh_j8Odlk

    1. IslandBites profile image68
      IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      ^ SMH

      1. tsadjatko profile image79
        tsadjatkoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Well said Mike, some people don’t care about putting anything in perspective because they are brainwashed to believe the media. Has one journalist asked Fauci or Trump why no one is as concerned about the thousands of deaths every year from the flu? Instead they ask ridiculous questions based on fake news reports of the moment which  they haven’t vetted or quote Trump out of context to propagate lies. I see Democrat governors on TV lamenting about 5 or 6 elderly who died from Covid19 over night yet not a word from them of sympathy for the multiple dozens of people who died the same night from car accidents and the flu. Not a word for them.
        Just goes to show you where they want to put the emphasis, on anything that contributes to chaos, perspective isn’t in the media’s vocabulary.

        1. Readmikenow profile image83
          Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Those numbers I posted are from the CDC.  Things are getting extremely crazy.  A woman in Pennsylvania got a fine for $225 because she took a drive.  Huh?  It just seems there is more to this than a pandemic.  They occur every so often and the world has NEVER reacted to it this way. 



          https://hubstatic.com/14953603.jpg

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Go ahead on with your business then, Mike. Go out and mingle...

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Randy, at some point we need to face we have two problems. And we need to face both. The crisis is one, and its cure could kill more than the virus. We need to continue all the things that can keep us relatively safe from catching a virus. But, we can't keep the country shut down much longer. I hope by the end of the month we will all have learned to
              continue all the precautions we are doing at this time, and use them in our daily lives for some time to come. Because this virus will be around for a few more years. We will get a vaccine, but until then, it's up to each of us to go about our lives and use precautions, to cut down the infection rate.  WE will keep the death toll down if we do.

          2. wilderness profile image78
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            "A woman in Pennsylvania got a fine for $225 because she took a drive. "

            Link, please?  Because I flat out do not believe the police pulled her over for driving her car.

            1. paradigmsearch profile image59
              paradigmsearchposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I did a search for "Pennsylvania got a fine for $225" without the quotes. She wasn't initially pulled over for it, but the fine is real: https://www.wgal.com/article/york-count … /32032535#

              1. wilderness profile image78
                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Then she wasn't fined for driving her car, as was stated.  She was fined for violating the stay at home order.

                1. paradigmsearch profile image59
                  paradigmsearchposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  This is just pure speculation, but my guess is she might have been being obnoxious or rude during the stop and provoked the officer into giving her that ticket; after all, it was the only one in the state. big_smile

            2. Readmikenow profile image83
              Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Sure,

              "Police in Pennsylvania fined a woman more than $200 for taking a drive amid the coronavirus pandemic.

              Anita Shaffer, 19, was driving around her town to get out of the house last weekend when two state police cars pulled her over in York County. The officers reportedly initially pulled her over for a busted taillight and dark window tinting, but she was then fined for violating the state’s stay-at-home order.

              “He asked me if I was aware of the stay-at-home act,” she said. “I am aware of it, but I didn’t know it pertained to just driving,” she responded."

              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … ome-orders

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                She wouldn't have been pulled over if she didn't have vehicle violations, Mike. Makes a big difference...

                1. tsadjatko profile image79
                  tsadjatkoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Read the article Randy! Her father and she examined the car and there was nothing wrong with her light. If so they would have written her up for that. Of course you don’t need to read the article, you just make up your conclusions based on what you want your conclusion to be, the hell with the details.

                  “ The daughter and father also inspected the taillight when she got home and found it was working fine.”

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    So the cops lied? Must be Trumpers then. tongue

                2. wilderness profile image78
                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Gotta love her response - "I just didn't think it applied to me because I didn't want to obey it".

                  1. crankalicious profile image81
                    crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Agreed.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Perhaps not "brainwashed" just coming at the problem with a differing way of looking at the situation. Mike clearly stated flu stats. If one actually reads Mike's comment it is clear he offered no opinion, only sought to put the problem in perspective. This is where some took his comment as and read into it putting a very negative spin on his comment. Feeling he was downplaying the crisis and adding anyone that downplays the virus should be ashamed.

          IT's clear some are expressing facts and comparing Covid19 stats to yearly flu stats. Perhaps shedding a common sense more I might say positive approach. While some chose to look at the crisis as very different than the yearly flu. I guess once again it's all about the thought process and difference of opinions.

          In my opinion, this virus will be something we will have to deal with and live with.  As we have with every flu. I find it unrealistic to blame anyone or to think our Government can kiss it and make it go away... We will have no county if we keep it closed to much longer. Maybe time to face reality.
          We have two crisis, time to face both of them.

          1. wilderness profile image78
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            "If one actually reads Mike's comment it is clear he offered no opinion, only sought to put the problem in perspective."

            To put it into perspective, one must make mention of the some 150 million flue vaccines that are given each year and that the death toll would be much, much higher without those vaccines. 

            Our current "vaccine" for Covid-19 is social separation.  Projections are for some 2 million deaths without the use of that "vaccine" rather than the 100,000 or so we expect with it.  So perhaps they are similar...except we can protect ourselves from the common flue, and do so in vast numbers.

            1. Readmikenow profile image83
              Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Some honest research will show you the flu vaccine helps very little and it is usually only effective for elderly people or those with underlying health issues.  Everyone else, can handle seasonal flu.

              "All-cause mortality is nonspecific. Nevertheless, it is important to consider, especially in the elderly. Although our estimate of 4.6% vaccine effectiveness against all-cause mortality during flu season may seem disappointing, it amounts to approximately 47% of a plausible target: the rise in mortality that would have occurred during flu season had none of the elderly been vaccinated."

              https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/170/5/650/102527

              ALSO

              The death rate for corona virus is .66 percent.  Your odds of dying is a car accident are better.

              "The study published Monday in The Lancet Infectious Diseases medical journal estimates that about 0.66 percent of patients who become infected with the virus will die. When undetected infections aren’t taken into account, researchers found the coronavirus death rate was 1.38 percent."

              https://thehill.com/changing-america/we … lower-than

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, however, you can see by the CDC estimated numbers that even with a vaccine the numbers are higher than what we are presently dealing with.

              Today the USA has 360,689, death rate 10,691


              "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza "

              We have no idea of the final stats. However, one can see the mitigation has helped keep the numbers down,
              as a vaccine would have also done.

              It appears the 100,000 number that was predicted last week by the task force hopefully will not come to fruition. We will never know what the death rate would have been if the virus was just let to run its course. Yes, it well appears the mitigations have worked very
              well as a quasi vaccine.

              At some point, we will be able to protect ourselves from this flu too. We very well may have the same tolls. Flu kills even when a vaccine is available. But, I think the covid19 vaccine will be one that more people in our history will get.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Hopefully, but there's no telling how many waves of the virus we'll have to endure before a vaccine is perfected.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Randy, There is one other thing that will protect us, and will take many out of the equation. Those that have had the virus will have developed antibodies to the virus. One could say this is one of the only good that will come out of this bout of the virus. As a rule, we have three or four bouts before a new vaccine can be developed and tested. However, Dr. Fauci made a statement last week he felt it would be about 18 months.

                  It sounds as if several companies are close to new anti-viral meds are coming to help with the symptoms of this virus.  Scientists all over the world are working creating a vaccine, maybe it will be fast tracked.

                  1. wilderness profile image78
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Unfortunately that is not necessarily true (that we will gain immunity if we get the virus and recover; as an example we need a new, different flu shot every year because the virus mutates.  It remains to be seen what the mutation rate for Covid is.

                    1. Readmikenow profile image83
                      Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I agree, considering we are now dealing with Covid 19...this is the 19th mutation of this particular strain of virus.

                    2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      That is very true if the virus will most likely mutate. and we will be back to square one. Immunity conveyed by a flu shot does not cover one from year to year due to mutation during the previous flu season. Hence yearly flu shots.

                      I was referring to a vaccine that would work on the present COVID19 virus strain. If the virus mutates which most do I am not sure but I thought once they have a vaccine it is easier to create another vaccine after it mutates.

            3. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Thanks for this Wilderness. I don't understand why those with Mike's view don't understand the threat here. It's not the mortality rate (though, that's part of it - it's not comparing mortality rates to the flu mortality rates). It's the impact on the health care system and our inability to stop the spread of the virus.

      2. peterstreep profile image80
        peterstreepposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Ever heard about the word "exponential"?
        Imagine nothing was done to stop the Coronavirus. How many body bags do you think we would need in a year's time..
        The downplaying of this virus iin January can be seen as ignorance but not in March. Today having such a positive bias kind of thinking is killing people. Highly irresponsible.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Indeed Peter, if people didn't self-quarantine and didn't avoid crowds the virus would have been lots worse by now. I don't know what Mike's thinking, but I'm glad there aren't more who look at the crisi in this manner.

          The stupid Governor from my state of Georgia has reopened the beaches against the wishes of those who live there. The moron only learned the virus could be passed by non-symptomatic people last week.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stupi … li=BBnb7Kz

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          No one will ever know how many body bags. May not have been any more than some of our yearly flu. Our Government trusted the WHO, as well as our own CDC. Other than that Trump's timeline was very good in handling the virus. His statements were based on info he perhaps should not have trusted. The only fault I can see is the USA  pandemic stockpile was understocked.and have been fo many years. As for now, the death rate is low to what it could have been. It could be closer to the stats we see from yearly flu. The blame should be directed at China as well as the WHO and our CDC, as well as those responsible for our stockpiles. The president is doing a good job of getting equipment and supplied to where they are needed with good speed.

    2. paradigmsearch profile image59
      paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

      The most depressing article yet: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/03/ame … perts-say/

      The article has 2 typos. There is no reward for finding them.

    3. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 5 years ago

      What is with Trump as this endless pitchman for this hydroxychloroquine stuff?

      He keeps saying that he "is not a doctor" but interrupts questions during press conferences directed at true professionals who are? He says that he does have common sense. But, if he had a lick of that, he would keep his mouth shut.

      Medical science's jury is still out on the safety and effectiveness of this drug. Why is Trump hyping it so? Is he aware that his promotions are taken seriously by the nation's lowest common denominator, many of his followers?

      People are dying and he can still only think of what benefits Trump and his expansive ego.

      I will have to verify the "rumor" that he has been going to Dr. Oz for advice, "the Wizard of Oz", world renown purveyor of snake oil and varied nostrums, as America's biggest quack. I am checking for the veracity of this story.

      He is a lousy President and an even worse human being and I have yet to be convinced otherwise.

      And now Tucker Carlson and the standard assortment of right wing clowns are trying to discredit Dr. Fauci as having an "agenda", affiliated with the "Deep State". Do America's right-wingers really think that the rest of us are so naive?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this
        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Perhaps, Sharlee, Trump would have more credibility if he works out his medical knowledge in conflict with DR. Fauci, before he faces the public. The evidence of the effectiveness of this drug is still inconclusive. I see no reason why Fauci would have reason to be duplicitous after 34 years on the job. Trump, not so much.

          I don't like the Trump attitude where his intuition is valued over the medical experts. His "happy talk" has consistently misled and misinformed as he seems to resist the science.
          ----------
          “It is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be effective in treating covid-19,'' the FDA’s chief scientist, Denise Hinton, wrote in the letter granting emergency approval.

          Hinton’s letter did not cite specific studies or evidence the FDA used to support the decision.
          --------

          I heard stuff like this about peach pit derivative as treatment for cancer.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Dr. Fauci is one opinion. As you can see many Physicians in the Feild are using it, and are stating it appears to be helping in many cases. (See links provided).

            In regards to Trump's opinion about the drugs. He is known for giving his opinion. Not anything new. Some appreciate it, some don't. He appears to be a man that looks for the positive and does not tend to lean to the negative. It is your right to not like his attitude. Not sure why you feel he does not respect Dr. Fauci's input. He has listened to his input and suggestions on Mitigations, and the need to shut its country down. It was clear from the very beginning Trump leaned toward opening the country back up by Easter and has listened to the Dr. in regard to the need to keep it closed down. I think Trump has good respect for both Dr. on the task force.

            Many physicians around the world including the USA are using the drug and having good success. Although Dr. Fauci is well respected, he has one view to offer. I prefer to listen to Doc's that are in the field using the drug. This new virus offers little treatments, and I would leave the opinion to use the drug to the patient and their Dr. The "Right Tp Try' bill lets them have the choice to use a drug that is perhaps not a previously prescribed drug as well as drugs that have not completed studies.

            hydroxychloroquine sulfate. many people have taken the drug for arthritis, Lupus, etc.  It has been around since world war 11.  And can be purchased at one's local drug store.

            Your comparison od a "peach pit therapy just does not compare to a drug that has been around and used for many other health problems. Seems you are going to extremes.

            https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/la … n-context/

            In regard to Trump's "happy talk". You do realize there are people that tend to have personalities that always see the positive, and some that just always lean to negativity?  He is a president that is talking about a drug that doctors are using presently to help with the symptoms and actually showing good results. I have found offered several examples of the patient's personal experience with the drugs. Both feeling the drug saved their lives.

            If you were dying I take it you would not give this drug a try due to one scientist's opinion. Interestingly, it gives me a bit of insight on other's thoughts about this drug. Me, I would opt to go with the opinion. "What do you have to lose". you're going to die. Hey, I would even opt to use those peach pits if they showed some success.

            1. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              The danger here is that when you use one drug to treat one condition and then use that same drug to treat a totally different condition, you can have very unfortunate side effects, like death, which is why the medical community does not make recommendations based on anecdotal evidence.

              And Trump has been touting this as a cure, but its anecdotal use is very specific - with Zinc in extreme cases, not for mild cases. J.K. Rowling said a breathing exercise cured her, why not push that? Doesn't cost anything and anybody can do it. What about prayer? If God really cared about the people with COVID-19, wouldn't he stop this? Is it possible that COVID-19 is a punishment for our sins?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Your statement gives me the opinion you feel you know more than the hundreds of physicians that have opted to use the drug as a first treatment due to witnessing good results on a virus that we have no real other meds that provide to same positive results. 

                As a nurse, I can assure you anyone with COVID is being provided with every respiratory therapy to help with the disease. These therapies are palliative, and do not deal with the cause of the condition.
                hydroxychloroquine is a drug that is having a positive result with the cure, not just palliative to alleviate symptoms. I regard to God, and his thoughts on the virus, I have no comment...

                https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/la … n-context/

                1. crankalicious profile image81
                  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  So, as a nurse, if you heard that some doctor somewhere used some solution for a condition and you had a patient with that condition, you would try that solution before receiving any guidance or before any testing could be done or results produced across similar cases from other doctors?

                  If not, why? This person is a doctor and knows what he's doing.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    As a nurse, you are well aware I have no authority to prescribe any form of the drug. Your anology is not appropriate to the uses of this drug. I have offered several links that give good proof many physicians are already using the drug and having good results. Physicians are responsible to give the patient all the possible side effects as they do with all drugs. Are you insinuating the thousands of physicians that are using the drug are not suitable to prescribe or that they're not making their patients aware of side effects? Please read new guidelines for uses of hydroxychloroquine.

                    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a … ch-30-2020

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business … loroquine/

                    https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/ny-corona … rial-drug/

                    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … 094307002/

                    https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-drug-c … e/6079864/

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    As a nurse, I have no right to prescribing medication or do I have an education that would be suitable to prescribe medication.

                    So, no I would not advise a patient or anyone on medication. If I was asked by a Pt to provide information on a drug, I would provide that information as an advocate.

                    Not sure if you're asking me if I would take a medication that was not FDA approved.  It would depend on my illness, my prognosis. If I was at death's door I might consider a medication that was under study but not yet approved. I would not take a med that did not have some studies to provide some results that were promising.

                    In regards to hydroxychloroquine, I would take it as a  prophylactic measure if I were working at this point.  This medication has been around for many years. I have a friend that takes it for Lupus, I have most likely as a nurse over my 25 years given it hundreds of times for different conditions. To include children with juvenile idiopathic arthritis.

                    I hope you have a look at my link. Doctors all over the world are prescribing the med to their patients for COVID19. and feel comfortable doing so.

      2. wilderness profile image78
        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        "People are dying and he can still only think of what benefits Trump and his expansive ego."

        He is desperate to find something, anything, that helps save lives and you claim he only thinks of himself?  TDS for sure!

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Follow the lead of the medical professionals as something/anything is the wrong advice.

          1. wilderness profile image78
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            He did, as I'm sure you are aware of.  The drug he's saying might help has several reputable doctors saying it DOES help.  Medical professionals that have tried it.

          2. Ken Burgess profile image70
            Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
      3. Ken Burgess profile image70
        Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this



        Sigh, yes Credence, but as bad as Trump may be, the Democrats prove far worse over and over again.

        $25M for increase in House Representatives salaries, $50M for Museums, $75M for NPR radio, $75M to state art organizations, $75M to Smithsonian, $25M for Kennedy Center, $75M to National Endowment, $50M to illegals,

        Remember in November - this is what the Democrats focused on in the House, giving themselves a raise, this is why Relief was delayed for over a week as they rejected revision after revision... they don't care about the American people, just their power and their pay.

        And now Schiff and Pelosi are starting a new investigation into Trump, during this crisis, while he was dealing with it in January they were still trying to Impeach him... and now they want to investigate him, even though he dealt with it while they ignored it.

        The Democratic Party, all those in DC currently, are the biggest problem this country has... worse than Republicans, worse than Russians, worse than terrorists... they are either incompetent, or traitors to the American people, or a mixture of both.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC3VDhziVFc

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          "The Democratic Party, all those in DC currently, are the biggest problem this country has... worse than Republicans, worse than Russians, worse than terrorists... they are either incompetent, or traitors to the American people, or a mixture of both."

          You can swap the word "Democrats" with "Republicans" in your rant and it would make more sense to many of us, Ken.

          And again with the Youtube link?

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          PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          The House did not give themselves a raise. That is just flat-out false. I bet much of the rest of your post is either false or misleading, but I know it doesn't really matter because you don't believe fact checkers, just certain dudes on youtube. Like I told my paranoid right_wing conspiracy theory pushing friend, I don't care if you think Bill Gates is an alien who started a global pandemic via 5G in cahoots with Chuck Schumer and Bono, are you staying home unless absolutely necessary, washing your hands, and wearing a mask?  ;-)

          1. GA Anderson profile image84
            GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You are right, the House did not give themselves a $25 million raise in Pelosi's proposed bill. The statement was false—on its face.

            But, it is easy to see where that false spin came from. They did propose to give themselves $25 million in the coronavirus bill. *you can see where the spin came from.

                             HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
                                     SALARIES AND EXPENSES

            "For an additional amount for ‘‘Salaries and Expenses’’, $25,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2021, except that $5,000,000 shall remain available until expended, for necessary expenses of the House of
            Representatives to prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus, to be allocated in accordance with a spend plan submitted to the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives by the Chief Administrative Officer and approved by such Committee:"

            Provided, That such amount is designated by the Congress as being for
            an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A)(i) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.[/i]
            Source: Text of Democrat's Coronavirus House Bill - pg. 135

            It would take some more digging to determine what they planned to use that $25 million for, but since this was only a proposed bill, I am not that interested. I didn't even look to see if that same money was in the passed bill. But, it would make for some curious speculation if it wasn't.

            Hmm . . . I think I will check that out after all.

            GA

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              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Have fun. ;-)

            2. GA Anderson profile image84
              GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Well, here is an observation that seems ripe for speculation. I will save mine for last.

              It appears that the $25 million for the House in the Democrat's first 1400-page bill, was stripped out, (like the other Democrat 'wish list' of progressive proposals), of the final 110-page bill that passed.

              I saw a thread wondering about the "why" of a definition change regarding something on the CDC website. Now, I have what appears to be a bigger "why" question. Why wasn't that $25 House money included in the final bill?

              It is easy to assume, (rightly or wrongly), that many of the Democrat proposals in the first bill were stripped because they weren't related to our coronavirus emergency. It also seems hard to not assume that maybe the stripping of that $25 million House money was because it too wasn't related to the coronavirus emergency.

              So just what was that $25 million proposed to be used for? Was Ken's claim of a pay raise completely off-base? Was it to be a House slush fund for any legislator's expenses during this period?

              Something smells.

              Here is the text of the bill that passed: ‘Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act’’

              GA

              1. Ken Burgess profile image70
                Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                So in effect 'pay raise' was inaccurate, 'slush fund without designation as to how it would be spent' may have been more appropriate.

                A $25 million funding allocation for the House was referenced in a version of the package proposed by House Democrats on March 23.

                That House proposal included $25 million for “Salaries and Expenses” for the chamber which would be “allocated in accordance with a spend plan submitted to the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives by the Chief Administrative Officer and approved by such Committee.”

                But the bill never said it was specifically for legislators’ pay raise.

                It was still there in later versions,  the $25 million funding for the House is included in the Senate version of the package, posted on March 25 by the Senate Appropriations Committee. The measure had been agreed to in principle by congressional leaders and the White House.

                Perhaps it was pulled out because there was so much attention to the Bill and the hold-up passing it, that they felt is might be politically unwise to pursue even a small $25 million money grab during such a high profile moment in history.

                1. GA Anderson profile image84
                  GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  You are right, that $25 million stayed in the bill through the 5th presented revised version of the bill. It just doesn't appear, (unless I missed it), in the final passed version of the bill.

                  Regardless of the direction of speculation, when combined with the stripping of other Democrat 'wish list' segments, I still say something about that $25 million smells.

                  I am inclined to view it as a House 'slush fund' grab that didn't make the cut.

                  GA

                  GA

                  1. crankalicious profile image81
                    crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Certainly we should be concerned about $25 million with no oversight. I also wonder why they have salaries and expenses on the same line. Seems like "expenses" should have its own line so they cannot make excuses or deflect about it being expenses and not salaries.

                    How do you feel about the $2 trillion dollar coronavirus fund that now lacks independent oversight?

                    1. GA Anderson profile image84
                      GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      The heading structure of "Salaries" and Expenses was uniform throughout the bill, with continuing text defining the generalities of the appropriations.

                      You may be right that it could be confusing, but I think it was just a "wording" thing.*

                      I have heard of the "no independent oversight" charge, mostly related to the business-related parts of the bill. It struck me as a Democrat whine and I didn't check into it. So I don't know what to think about it.

                      However, the wording for almost all of the separate appropriations was pretty much the same 'boiler plate' stuff. Some were very detailed in the application of the monies, but most were not. So I think a fair assumption might be that the appropriation disbursements were left to the leading agency to determine.

                      If that is a fair assumption, then it would seem rational to assume the same for the business-related money disbursements.

                      At this point, I don't have a problem with it and think it is just a Democrat charge. *shrug

                      *If you take a quick look at the bill—not a deep read—you will see what I mean about its "boiler-plate" construction.

                      GA

        3. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Cmon Ken, that is just more right wing rubbish.

          Well, from my experience the problematic people are the GOP, as for where the Russians are on this scale, somewhere above the Republicans. I told you a bit about my background, what makes you think that me or anyone like me are going trust Republicans? The only ones I see are Uncle Toms, Aunt Jemimas and assorted minstrel show characters in blackface. From experience and academic education, I know this system inside and out and I still have more than one bone to pick in regards to it.

          Republicans expressed interest primarily is to give away the treasury to the fat cats as quickly as possible with as little oversight as they can get away with. And I will be damned if I butter their bread at the expense of middle class and working people.

          But, I have expressed my complaint about Pelosi using the crisis to address the laundry lists of progressives. As, I have said before, this is not the time. But, I am not giving the Republicans a carte Blanche either.

          And understanding American history, it is easy to say that Trump will go down as America's WORST President.

          And I apologize profusely, that I cannot see your point of view from MY perspective, nor you being able to appreciate and understand my point of view.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image70
            Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Credence, thats fair and more importantly, that's honest.

            At the end of the day, I would support those who want to walk the path to move the country in the direction you want it to move in...

            If there was someone competent and trustworthy to move it in that direction.

            Since there is not, since the Democrats have proven far more incompetent, and far more callous to American's needs in these past two years... more importantly, since the DNC and its supporters denigrated and dismissed all true voices of character and change that were willing to offer themselves as the Nominee, I now see the Democratic Party as the #1 entity that must be dismantled.

            The corruption that allows Pelosi to be House Speaker, and Biden to be the DNC's Nominee, must first be outed, and if not, then the entire Party and its power in DC must be destroyed.

            The Democratic Party no longer represents anything that is positive for Americans.  Open Borders do not help American citizens (it does help the Democratic Party get votes, and it helps corporations get cheap labor), the ACA was never affordable or caring for hard working Americans, it is not at all like the Social Healthcare system of Canada or the UK, it hurts more people than it helps... it makes the Insurance Corporations and Pharma Companies even richer.

            When the Democratic Party is shattered, perhaps it can be rebuilt, perhaps it can be led by someone who will pioneer true change, but the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, they are relics of the worst of what DC has represented for the last 30 years and more... until they are swept out of power and replaced there will be no improvements for the people brought by the Democrats..

            1. dianetrotter profile image60
              dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Whom do you think would have made a better presidential nominee? Not a challenge - just curious!

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I am not a Dem. However, I think they have a candidate that is front and center presently, actually, if he were a snake it would have bit them... Gov. Andrew Cuomo.  I guess the DNC might have problems backing someone that has the same type of common sense Trump has, but a better way of expressing his ideas. I must say, Cuomo, would be able to go round after round with Trump. Biden, well not so much.

              2. Ken Burgess profile image70
                Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Well, I devoted an article to Warren, and one to Tulsi.  You can read those to see where I stood on them at that time.

                I rescind my support for Warren however, she proved false, or became a sellout, her attack on Bernie, among other recent decisions and actions, turned me from her.

                I didn't support Bernie and never would, some of the reason for that you can read in the Warren article.  However, Warren's attack on him, during the CNN debate was contrived and calculated, there was no reason for it other than her agreeing to do the DNC's bidding to try and stop his momentum... and that is something only someone who is beholden to the corrupt cronies in DC would do.

                I also came around to liking Andrew Yang, as it so happens the DNC did a character assassination on Tulsi, bringing out Clinton to disparage her and call her a Russian puppet.  And they marginalized Yang and later ensured he didn't have a platform in the later debates.

    4. paradigmsearch profile image59
      paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

      Our species is a mess.

      "Doctors Say Hospitals Are Stopping Them From Wearing Masks"

      https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/82520020 … ring-masks

    5. paradigmsearch profile image59
      paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago
    6. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 5 years ago

      You gotta check out the Trump bot, bird brained, Bobsie Twins, "Diamond and Siik" with their claim that we all must expose our selves to one another in the open to obtain a form of immunity to the virus. Twitter shut them both down, straight away.

      Fox News have provided the strumpet pair with the standard 30 pieces of silver to mislead and betray everyone.

      And it has been shown to be a fact that Trump asked for medical advice regarding the "miracle drug" Trump has been pitching for from the celebrity quack, Dr. Oz, who was behind the Acai berry hype a few years ago. Seems that with each passing day the medical professionals including the CDC have been ever more reluctant to support the drug as an effective treatment for COVID-19.

      1. GA Anderson profile image84
        GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I better get back to binging on the news Cred. With each passing day, I am hearing more and more support for the drug's use. So I must have missed something during my Science Channel hours.

        What do you think we will hear about it 14 days from now?

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          That's funny, GA, they both can't be true.

          I think that within 14 days the last ditch "cure" will be completely discredited. Remember, that you heard it here first.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image70
            Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Cred,

            I think GA (and myself) are unsure as to what "cure" you are talking about.

            Trump touted hydroxychloroquine as something that could be used to treat Covid-19 but not "cure" it.

            He was suggesting this because:

            Mar 20, 2020 - Studies in China and France have examined the effectiveness of anti-malarial drugs, including chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine  that suggests the positive effects of hydroxychloroquine in reducing both the duration and symptoms of COVID-19 in combination with an antibiotic called azithromycin.

            Trump brought this up, Trump asked the FDA to fast track it and allow hospitals to try it (probably on their worst cases that had little other hope).

            Everything else you may have heard is fabrication and falsehoods fed by an out of control media that seems to be intent on spreading the hysteria rather than helping spread worthwhile information.

            As it seems, based on what I read here lately, that only those who tune into TV News on a regular basis seem to believe such crazy falsehoods.

            Although, to be fair, a recent article in the NY Times (in regards to Trump having stock in a company that makes the drug) are pushing fabrications and falsehoods to a level that should make even CNN envious.

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Why would the preponderance of Media be spreading falsehood, Ken?

              Is it possible that Trump is spreading the falsehoods, instead?

              What do you consider "worthwhile" information? Does it have to come from Fox or Breitbart?

              I give little to no credibility to any right wing oriented news outlet.

              Trump falls woefully short of true leadership in this time of crisis. Cmon, Ken, he basically is a jerk and you are not surprised that he is perceived this way?

              And when I think of what competent men as President did when their moment came, 9-11, or Pearl Harbor, Trump has been an embarrassment.

              As for hydroxychloroquine, there has been a lot of hype and most has been negative. No, I neither trust Trump nor believe anything he says without strong outside corroborating evidence to support It.

              Blaming Obama, now how cowardly is that?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                President Trump is doing a wonderful job handling this crisis. If it were not for his action shutting our borders to China alone has save so many lives. He was criticized by the Dems, WHO and the bias left media for that very action. 

                You need to open your eyes to facts, your media is keeping you from the truth, and pounding you with lies.

                1. Sychophantastic profile image71
                  Sychophantasticposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Sharlee, I have been reading this forum from afar and following your posts. I totally agree that President Trump is doing a great job. I freely admit to watching Fox News because they're the only network that tells the truth about President Trump. I was brought up in a world where it's just impolite and wrong to criticize the President. Whether he's a Democrat or a Republican, he's our leader. All the Democrats want to do is bash President Trump while the Republicans want to solve this pandemic and get America and Americans back on their feet. President Trump has never said a false word about this pandemic and he's always putting Americans first.

                  Don't let the liars and TDS sufferers get you down. And don't be embarrassed about watching Fox.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image70
                    Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Well said, I have faith that most Americans can see the reality.

                    Or as Lucas would say, its a Clown show:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3TVmzwSuDA

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      She was being sarcastic, Ken. You'd know this if you've had any experience with her posts in the past.

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                      PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Who is Lucas and why should anyone care what he says?

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I actually was making the point in my comment to CREDENCE2  that I actually do not watch "talk jocks" that would include Fox, CNN or MSNBC. I find all three pander to the unintelligent. Featuring nothing but what one might refer to as Hype or better yet Herd feed. They are what attributes to the Dumbing down of liberals.  BAH BAH   Open up wide...

                    1. Credence2 profile image81
                      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I resent that, conservatives are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. Liberals will never be mesmerized to follow one man blindly without question...

                    2. Sychophantastic profile image71
                      Sychophantasticposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Oh, I'm so sorry. I just was so excited to find somebody who shares my opinion of President Trump, certainly the greatest President of the last 100 years. And certainly a man who realizes that America is for Americans. I guess I just find that Fox's view of Trump aligns with my own and the MSM's doesn't.

                    3. Ken Burgess profile image70
                      Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Shar, I think "unintelligent" is too harsh.  Easily manipulated or easily duped, would be more apt.

                      The 'you can fool some of the people all of the time' category of folk.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            It appears you hope this drug will not help people that are experiencing respiratory distress. In my view, this shows you just hope to be right... And could care less about anyone that is suffering. As if you hope for more death so you can be right. You lack empathy.

            Hopefully, you read the information I left for you in regards to the drug and take the time to read it.  No one is calling it a "last-ditch cure".  It's being used to denature the virus's effect on the lungs. It has anti-inflammatory properties that help inflamed lungs. Doctor's are having good results using the drug to help Covid19 Pts.

            It's clear you are getting your info from talk jocks. You need to do your own research. You sound ill-educated on the drug.

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              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Wow, he lacks empathy? I'm  sure all but the most craven of people would be happy to see this drug work for COVID-19 patients. However, the scientific evidence  is just not there yet.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                And you are correct about scientific evidence in regard to its use in COVID cases.  Although there is good scientific evidence that it helps with many illnesses that cause different forms of inflammation. There are also many physicians that are using it right now because they feel it is beneficial to help with the symptoms of COVID.  This is one reason the Gov of New York, Mich, and many others have requested it for use in hospitals due to Physician requests.   

                So, yes you are correct as of yet there are no scientific studies that show it works in treating COVID.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Diamond and Silks twitter statement - "The only way we can become immune to the environment; we must be out in the environment. Quarantining people inside of their houses for extended periods will make people sick!"

        I don't see the word COVID19 or Coronavirus in the statement.

        And to be so rude to call them derogatory vulgar names is uncalled for. Oh, forgot you do this often and it's apparent you feel you have the right to do this,  and others must put up your comments.

        In regard to "Miracle drug"

        Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine
        Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, but preliminary research in human and primate cells suggests that the drugs could effectively treat COVID-19.

        A 2005 study found that chloroquine could quell the spread of SARS-CoV when applied to infected human cells in culture. SARS-CoV is closely related to the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, and caused an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome in 2002. Chloroquine disrupts the ability of the SARS-CoV virus to enter and replicate in human cells, Live Science previously reported. The cell culture studies of SARS-CoV-2 revealed that the drug and its derivative hydroxychloroquine undermine the novel virus' replication in a similar way.

        Doctors in China, South Korea, France and the U.S. are now giving the drug to some patients with COVID-19 with promising, albeit anecdotal, results so far. The FDA is organizing a formal clinical trial of the drug.

        As of Feb. 23, seven clinical trials had been registered in the Chinese Clinical Trial Registry to test whether COVID-19 infections could be treated with hydroxychloroquine. In addition, the University of Minnesota is studying whether taking hydroxychloroquine can protect people living with infected COVID-19 patients from catching the virus themselves.

        In one heavily referenced study, conducted in France, a small number of patients with COVID-19 received either hydroxychloroquine alone or hydroxychloroquine in combination with an antibiotic called azithromycin. The authors reported that detectable concentrations of SARS-CoV-2 fell significantly faster in the study participants than coronavirus patients at other French hospitals who did not receive either drug. In six patients also given azithromycin, this promising effect appeared to be amplified.

        However, the CDC noted that the small, non-randomized study "did not assess clinical benefit[s]" associated with the treatment; in other words, the study did not probe whether the treated patients were more likely to recover and survive their illness. Additionally, the agency advised that doctors should be cautious when giving either drug to patients with chronic disease, such as kidney failure, and especially those "who are receiving medications that might interact to cause arrhythmias.

        https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus … ments.html

        Uses
        Hydroxychloroquine is used to prevent or treat malaria caused by mosquito bites. The United States Center for Disease Control provides updated guidelines and travel recommendations for the prevention and treatment of malaria in different parts of the world. Discuss the most recent information with your doctor before traveling to areas where malaria occurs.

        This medication is also used to treat certain auto-immune diseases (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis). It belongs to a class of medications known as disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs (DMARDs). It can reduce skin problems in lupus and prevent swelling/pain in arthritis.
        https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482 … al/details

        https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a … ril-7-2020
        FDA
        "Diagnostics update to date:
        During the COVID-19 pandemic, the FDA has worked with more than 270 test developers who have said they will be submitting emergency use authorizations (EUA) requests to FDA for tests that detect the virus."

        Perhaps you should take up your concerns about the uses of Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate.

        This drug is saving lives. It has been around for many years and gives good results when used in many autoimmune conditions. FACT

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I apologize for that slip of the tongue regarding Diamond and Silk, but their actions were uncalled for and irresponsible.

          I have plenty of empathy, I don't like false hope and snake oil. I, too, look to the science as the guide and if there is not scientific evidence that it is effective, what is this all about? I want the truth and not hype. I am for making available anything and everything possible to stem the infections and body counts.

          You are a nurse on the front line, I presume as you say, and you are in a better position than I to evaluate the efficacy of this drug. But, science is science and at the end of the day, that is the only source and authority that I am interested in.

          Rather than more death, I want more truth something in short supply from this administration and its hatchet men (and woman).

          I don't trust this man, Trump, nor his supporters to do the right thing in regards to this crisis. So, I will just wait and see and hope for the best.

          In fairness, I will read your link and evaluate the information therein  and the sources in a critical manner, you would respect no less?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I have throughout my career witnessed many that held on to false hope. What I felt was they did so to cope, sometimes just working their way through their fears slowly until they realized there was no hope.

            In regard to evidence, the only evidence we have is that many physicians are using it, and requesting more to treat PT. This only indicates that it may be working. We won't really know until some Docs step up and give us their opinions. Not sure why some journalist has not found this a story to pursue.

            I can't say why Trump is constantly talking the drug up. You claim you don't trust the president or anyone that supports him to do the right thing. I am not sure what you feel the president could have done any differently. I have researched the timeline and all he has done. It would seem he has done a very good job, from closing the borers, putting together a good task force, and pretty much closing the country down.

            The only downfall was that the pandemic stores were not up to pare. The fact is they have not been for many years. This could have happened to many of our past presidents. One thing at this point we will now have proper pandemic supplies stored, and most likely kept up.

            The president has handled getting supplies quickly. He has literally pulled out all stops. I am not sure what else you could imagine he should do.

            I am at this point retired but due to Michigan becoming a hotspot I have volunteered two shifts a week at this point I have not been called in.

          2. Ken Burgess profile image70
            Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I mentioned to another person who is so caught up in his hate for Trump he cannot see anything else, to disconnect from CNN and MSNBC and yes FOX as well... in general disconnect from Cable news alltogether.

            Find alternative sources of getting your news/facts:

            https://www.youtube.com/user/WSJDigitalNetwork

            https://www.youtube.com/user/EconomistMagazine

            https://www.youtube.com/user/AlJazeeraEnglish

            https://www.youtube.com/user/forbes

            There are a great many sources to get news/facts from... you DON'T get facts or truth from CNN or MSNBC you get propaganda, you get bias, you get programmed, you get duped into believing falsehoods.

            Until you figure that out, you will be an angry man pissed off at all the wrong people, for all the wrong reasons.

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Ken, seriously, why do you presume that I get my facts from the news outlets mentioned? It just seems to me that those that take a right wing view of things have access to the correct information and the rest of us are foolishly misled? I gather my information from a variety of sources. There are plenty of left wing oriented  posters here, are they all sheep as well?

              Short of your being there, your perception of events,heroes and villains is your opinion. Many of us differ from that and it is not because we are all uniformed as you imply. Conservatives are so hung up on absolutes, "I have to be right, so you must be wrong", well, there are not any, just differing and subjective opinion. Unless you were eyewitness to all you speak of, yours is just another opinion.

              Are the news sources you speak of really factual or do they simply express an opinion that corresponds with what you want to hear?

              Rest assured that I know exactly who and what I am pi$$ed over and why.

        2. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Alright, Sharlee, I read the portion where the FDA is working with all test developers. I see that,ok.

          We are in a state of desperation, try anything and everything. I have no problems with that. But we are not going to resume our normal lives by Easter, are we? Who said that?

          1. peterstreep profile image80
            peterstreepposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think our lives will be the same ever again. Just like 9/11 had a huge impact on the western world. It changed security risks, global power struggles, and wars.
            The coronavirus will change the lives drastically as well. How I don't know. More work from home I guess. People who are now starting to work from home for their company could well be doing this after the crisis.
            There will be a recession. Thousands/millions of jobs are already lost. The production, transportation, and consumption will probably be different.
            The heavenly dependent oil industry is changing. Today solar power is cheaper than oil. Fracking is becoming too expansive. There is a lot of change in the fundamental structure of the world. The coronavirus could well be a blessing in disguise.

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I am concerned as the paucity in the marketplace these days is beginning to rise above mere inconvenience.

              Telework is fate of workers from my former Federal employer.

              I believe that the stimulus may prove to be inadequate to address the holes in people's pocketbooks.

              My brother picked up a new Tesla Electric motorcar. He said that he could obtain a 250 mile range with the equivalent of 4 dollars worth of electric energy. I am still incredulous, have to go to the Tesla sight to see it for myself. If it puts a dent in the fossil fuel industry to some extent , that has got to be progress.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I sort of feel if it were my choice I would almost rather take a drug that has proved safe for many other inflammation conditions than a brand new one that may have been rushed to market due to a new virus.  Being a nurse that has given Hydroxychloroquin to many per Dr orders, Pt some being children for juvenile arthritis I would rather go with it than a new drug with little testing.

            I think the media has concentrated on one aspect of the drug. The point that it has not been used for COVID19, ignoring it has been being used on all ages for some 75 years. If I had COVID19 it would be what I would take immediately at first signs or symptoms. 

            I agree we are not going to resume our normal lives by Easter. Hopefully. it will be soon.

    7. IslandBites profile image68
      IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

      COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, is now the No. 1 cause of death in the U.S. -- killing more people on average per day than cancer or heart disease.

      The virus is the cause of 1,970 deaths in the U.S. per day, according to a graph published Tuesday by Dr. Maria Danilychev, based in San Diego, Calif. In comparison, the graph shows 1,774 deaths per day are attributed to heart disease and 1,641 to cancer, according to Newsweek.

      Just a week ago, the graph, which cites the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Worldmeters.info as sources -- showed COVID-19 as the third leading cause of death, averaging roughly 975 fatalities per day.

      On March 22, it showed COVID-19's daily death rate starting to surge, passing flu and pneumonia and suicide, as well as liver and kidney disease.

      FOXNEWS

      1. Readmikenow profile image83
        Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        From the same article,

        While the death rate has increased, reports have shown hospitalizations have decreased in some areas of the U.S. Cuomo added that hospitalization rates in New York have slowed due to social distancing measures.

        "Our efforts are working," he said according to NPR. "They're working better than anyone projected they would work. That's because people are complying with them."

        Meanwhile, Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that based on newer data, U.S. deaths will be lower than the original projection of 100,000 to 240,000 total deaths. A decrease in daily death rates usually lags behind hospitalization rates."

      2. Ewent profile image56
        Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Trump knew about this virus in November and said nothing. He has blood on his hands because he never once allowed anyone to prepare for what has now become a pandemic.

        He only bothered to go public when the evidence of deaths from COVID-19 in Washington state went viral. Then the MAGGOT in Chief knew he could no longer ignore ALL the warnings even those from his own staff.

        This will never be a one party government. Come 2021, Trump will end up being the first occupant of the White House to go to prison. Which by the way he so richly deserves for HIS negligence that caused needless deaths.

        Instead of Benghazi, Benghazi Bengahzi, Now what goes around comes around..The Virus The Virus The Virus.

        As if any American who has suffered the deaths of loved ones need a reminder?

    8. IslandBites profile image68
      IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

      That's rich!

      For weeks, Trump was downplaying the threat of Covid-19. You and others here of course follow the lead. All of you see no fault in Trump, is everybody's fault except Trump. China, the media, Democrats, WHO, governors... who else?

      SMH

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        "And if you want a test, you can get one." This was weeks ago and it's still a lie today. But who cares?

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        As did Nancy and Joe downplay the virus------  Nancy encouraged Americans to get out to restaurants.  The president formed his opinion on the information he was getting.  And yes, I blame WHO, and China for the problem that exists today. Not sure where you have gotten your opinion I have blamed the Dems, media, gov, etc.  I believe our government was not informed by China of the human to human spread and the severity of the spread, I also put some of the blame on WHO. They actually did not want to close our borders to China. That is a well-known fact. I can't speak for others, but I hope that clarifies my feelings in regard to who I direct some of the blame. what I have offered is factual.

        I have stated I think Trump is doing a good job. I have not defended or criticized his many comments some have found offensive. I find this disruptive and at the end to me should matter little at this point. In the end, I am looking for a crisis to be handled to help all involved. So, far I am very satisfied.  I think the president has provided those results.

        "All of you see no fault in Trump, is everybody's fault except Trump. China, the media, Democrats, WHO, governors... who else?"

        You seem to have taken it upon yourself to assume what I see...

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          PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          We don't have to assume. You describe your complete trust  in and devotion to Daddy Trump quite eloquently.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            "Daddy Trump?" That sounds kinda creepy, Sandy!  yikes

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              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Sorry, but that's what it seems like to me. Complete trust in the authoritarian father figure. I call it like I see it, Randy.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I thought so too... But to each their own.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            In the case of this crisis, I have claimed I  am very pleased with Trump's job performance.  It is your assumption "I have a devotion to Trump".  I have never made such a claim. This is where I have a problem with some that post here thought process. I can see some have the innate habit of taking a statement out of context and elaborating on its meaning. First I was responding to the subject of IB's comment.

            But, let me repeat what I expressed in the comment you have just replied to in my regard to how I feel about Trump's handling of the virus crisis. Not sure where you picked up I have devotion to the president from that statement.

            "I have stated I think Trump is doing a good job. I have not defended or criticized his many comments some have found offensive. I find this disruptive and at the end to me should matter little at this point. In the end, I am looking for a crisis to be handled to help all involved. So, far I am very satisfied.  I think the president has provided those results."

            Not sure where you ascertained I was showing "devotion" to the
            President, I was giving my honest opinion on the subject at hand.

            It is no secret I voted for Trump, and will again due to being very pleased with his accomplishment. No devotion, I am devoted to my husband, my family, my friends. The president I am just more than satisfied with his job performance.

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              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Okay.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                So, why do you feel I am devoted to Trump? Why Why... LOL

        2. Ewent profile image56
          Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Who cares what the bottle blonde Ivanka wannabees find offensive? Trump is as illegitimate today as he was the minute Mommy  Mary Ann allowed him to exit the birth canal.

          It IS the job of a president to lead. That is what the financially dependent clinging vine women expected of Obama.

          Now, they want a money laundering grifter who thinks he is the "total" authority to dump HIS job on the governors?

          Why pay federal taxes for Trump to play golf every weekend and then refuse to part with federal funding WE OWN because WE paid those taxes?

          Why is it women who live in the moocher states have zero brains?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Rant Much?
            First, let me reorient you to the subject of my post. I would have thought you would reply to the subject.
            I have made no mention of Ivanka,Trump's mother, Obama or dependent women. Nor did I make mention of Trump golfing.

            My comment was how Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden saw fit to handle the COVID19 crisis.  Trump stopped travel from China and weeks latter Nancy encouraged us all to get out enjoy restaurants and Join her in China Town, callingTrump a racist for stopping travel from China.
            https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/n … n/2240247/

            How about you respond to that... Facts are harder to swallow than CNN Bylines. 

            Tip -- You need to follow a conversation before adding your comment. What you posted was nonrelevant to the subject.

      3. Readmikenow profile image83
        Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I hope everyone does realize the H1N1 virus of 2009 was just as bad and in many ways worse.  Nothing was closed.  I always have to question why it was no big deal then.  You didn't see it at the top of the news cycle or weeks.  Why is this so different from 2009?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Because it's more contagious, Mike. DUH!

        2. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Just another opinion in the offing, Mike why do you think it is any different? You don't really think that the liberal press stirred all of this up and both Republicans and Democrats in Congress went along with the "pressure" to shut down, do you?

          Coronavirus, when compared with H1N1 has proven to be more contagious, having a higher rate of fatalities for those infected, match that with Trump lack of preparedness as opposed to how a similar event was handled under Obama, there is your answer.

          https://www.propublica.org/article/no-p … flu-either

        3. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I have already gone down that road. And as a nurse that worked that Flu, I can tell you plenty died, young and old. And we that worked it will never forget.  This virus will be around for a couple of years until a vaccine is developed. Itis not realistic to think we can protect the world from a virus by closing it down. It will return in the fall, and most likely the year after next. By then we will have a vaccine. We need to build immunity over time as we have to every other virus. Closing for a while decreased the death toll. And yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down... Go figure.  Wonder why the Government did not take H1N1 seriously, it killed children our most vulnerable. I just can't understand the logic of some.

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            What, exactly, did Trump shut down? Governors are the ones who took this seriously. My governor in Oregon shut down schools and issued stay at home orders while Trump was still minimizing the crisis. Did he issue orders I am not aware of?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I did not say Trump closed the country down. He did declare the COVID-19 outbreak a national emergency on March 13, the exact day Your Gov, Bown ordered the schools to be closed as of Mon, March 15th.

              Yes, it is up to the Gov. to protect the residents of their state's health threats. It certainly appears due to the date Gov. Brown was quick to take the situation seriously at that point. It appears she lagged at making the decision to put out a stay at home order.

              March 23,
              "Days after saying she wouldn’t order Oregonians largely to remain at home to slow the spread of the coronavirus, Gov. Kate Brown did just that Monday." here is a link that gives an accurate timeline to what the
              The government has done to date.

              https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlig … -Timeline/

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "And yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down... Go figure."

                So what did he shut down?

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  The figure of speech. Caught the media bug. You know the one that keeps them constantly asking  Trump every day --- " when will you be opening the country" What date will you be opening the country". Will you listen to the doctor's when making your decision to open up the country"... Etc.

                  Trump has made it very clear he was leaving the decisions up to the Governors in regards to taking measures to protect their citizens.

                  And you know what, most of the Gov. did not issue a stay-at-home order until a couple of weeks after Trump declared the COVID19 virus a National Emergency. Yet many of the Dem gov are the first to make accusations about how Trump is handling the crisis.Sort of hypocritical.
                  https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/us/coron … index.html

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                PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I guess I have a problem reading your posts. It seems I take your words to mean what they say. 

                "and yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down... "

                I read that to mean that Trump shut down the virus. Of course, that really hasn't yet hampered but pretty much all of the leadership and action has come from governors, not Trump.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  As I have pointed out before, you are not reading the sentence before and after. Doing this would provide you with the context of the comment. I must say kind of comprehension is an epidemic nowadays. It's what leads to fake news.

                  "Closing for a while decreased the death toll. And yet some continue to Blame Trump, the guy that shut it down..".

                  So, after reading my comment do you still think after me stating "closing for a while decreased the death toll". means I was trying to conveying shutting down the virus?

                  And as I just informed Randy most all of the Governors some only in the first week of April ordered their citizens to stay-at-home. In my opinion, this does not bode well for some Gov. Many did not heed the seriousness of the virus. No, the leadership has not come from governors, most had insufficient stockpiles equipment PPEs etc.  As did Trump...  But Trump pulled together a team worked diligently to do his very best to provide any state that needed help with not only needed "stuff" but had our Military build field Hospitals anywhere they were needed. Need I go on?  I provided you a link to a timeline, why not have a "look-see"?

                  Give credit where it's due or don't.

                  1. profile image0
                    PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Okay, if you're not saying Trump shut down the country, and you're not saying he shut down the virus, what are you saying he shut down?

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Let me use one of your favorite replies -- OK

                      OR--  Maybe we let this one go and wait for Trump to open it up. Because actually he will be the one that determines that too.

                    2. Sychophantastic profile image71
                      Sychophantasticposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Why are you being so dense? President Trump provided the leadership this country needed. He saw through the lies China was putting out and cut off travel from China. That told the governors all they needed to know - which was that the virus was going to get into the U.S. other ways. So the governors saw how seriously President Trump was about this spread of the virus and they began issuing stay-at-home orders. And then when the MSM started questioning him about how serious he was, he shut them down too with his total awesomeness.

                  2. IslandBites profile image68
                    IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Media... check!
                    Democrats... check!
                    WHO... check!
                    China... check!
                    Governors ... check!

          2. IslandBites profile image68
            IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            "just as bad and in many ways worse"

            In which ways?

            And I dont know about that "just as bad".. The declared global deaths of H1N1 were 18k (200+K if you use the estimates). And that was after a year. In less than 4 months we have 100+K declared deaths. We'll have to wait for the estimates.

            It was a big deal, and schools closed. It was constantly on the news. But you're right is different now. Covid-19 is more deadlier.

            Right now, USA alone has the same amount of deaths as the declared global deaths of H1N1.

            But keep peddling.

        4. Ewent profile image56
          Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Do tell? When has any President EVER had the disgusting gall to DARE to prescribe drugs his doped up liquored up supporters now want to kill off more Americans with?

          If Trump supporter want to martry themselves for their savior Trump, go right ahead. Just don't expect a grand memorial.

          People who are already on legally prescribed drugs for diabetes and other illnesses are NOT going to obey Trump.

          Why should we? He owes us. He and his grifter family are on OUR federal tax dollars. If we pull those federal tax dollars, we get to watch him and his controls freak insider government die a painful moneyless death.

      4. GA Anderson profile image84
        GA Andersonposted 5 years ago

        Coming from someone who routinely criticizes sources, your comment is, as Island Mom might say, 'Rich. . . '

        First, you have tagged your comment to a statement from Ewent that has been repeatedly debunked:

        "Now we find out that the reason he delayed the testing kit dispersals was to get his own crony company he has investments in to do the manufacturing."

        Unless you doubt the authority of Politifacts or Snopes, you can check them out to see how the original social media posts' and ewent's claims were determined to be bogus.

        And then . . you provide an Esquire link as an authoritative source to support your reasoning. *SMH

        With the exception of an included Politifacts article quote, here is the entirety of you explanatory source:

        "The most consequential—and logically inexplicable—decision taken by this administration* in response to the current pandemic occurred in January, when German scientists developed the first test for COVID-19 and the World Health Organization offered the test to countries around the world and 60 countries accepted. We were not one of them. From Politico:

        . . . PolitiFact's blurb . . .

        "Let’s guess why this happened, and let’s leave aside for the moment that Jared Kushner’s brother runs a company that’s involved in testing, because that should not be any kind of surprise. What I’m fairly convinced is also behind that decision is the administration*’s disdain for international organizations, alliances of any kind, and foreigners in general. Couple that with the Republican Party’s similar xenophobic impulses and overall dislike of any science that can’t be replicated with baking soda and Fizzies, and you’ve got a pretty good reason why help from overseas is more terrifying in many minds than viruses from overseas are. American exceptionalism now means “except us.” That’s not a good development."


        Just for kicks I emphasized your author's word choices that filled me with confidence in their authoritative knowledge.

        And that is your measure of a source worth believing? Geesh, you outdid yourself on this one Randy.

        Will you be offering unsupported forum opinions that you agree with as trustworthy sources next?

        [EDIT ADDED] *Since I only spent about 15 minutes checking this out, it is possible I missed something and may have to eat my words, so I will keep the mustard handy until I hear from you. ;-)

        GA

        1. profile image0
          PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          "Will you be offering unsupported forum opinions that you agree with as trustworthy sources next?"

          Would it be any worse than Lucas from YouTube‽ ;-)

          1. GA Anderson profile image84
            GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I will have to go back and check out that "Lucas" link before I can answer that. Until then, I am left wondering about Randy's dive into Esquire. I know what they used to be known for . . . 

            But of course, I only looked at their magazines for the articles. ;-)

            GA

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Don't you remember, GA, Esquire was a men's oriented monthly with only interesting articles not a cheesecake glossy, like say Playboy?

              1. GA Anderson profile image84
                GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Maybe I have my magazines mixed-up. ;-)

                GA

        2. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Yep, I broke my own rules, Gus. I was in a rush to go somewhere and took the first two sites on the search. I'll cut off another finger!  yikes

      5. Readmikenow profile image83
        Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14961351.jpg

      6. hard sun profile image76
        hard sunposted 5 years ago

        Here's a starter list of some of the allegations against Trump, including those that made it to the courts. Hell, his own wife accused him of rape under oath!

        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-d … -election/

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I have seen each allegation against Trump., who hasn't would be a better question.  My question stands. Will you vote for Biden?  Or do you feel  --- Hey, there is one allegation of rape no biggie?

            I realize this allegation might have most Dems sticking their fingers in their ears. Not taking Trump here, talking about Biden. Let's stay on the subject.

          1. hard sun profile image76
            hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            So, by your logic, Trump should just be guaranteed President beyond 2020 as anyone can make an accusation against a candidate, of which Trump has been accused of much worse for decades, and that makes the candidate ineligible to vote for??

            The logic is entirely faulty.

            1. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Every Democrat I know is going to vote for Biden reluctantly because there's no other choice. Not a single Democrat I know is excited about the prospect of voting for him.

              1. hard sun profile image76
                hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                The concept of lesser of two evils seems to have suddenly been lost by some.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Not lost by me ---  But I never rode on that high house or stood atop of that pedestal. Got to be hard when the tables ten. Where are all the morals, the loudly expressed values? LOL

                  1. profile image0
                    PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    One very big difference is that Trump freely admitted--actually, he bragged--about assaulting women. Also, one allegation versus sixteen (?).

                    But, I know none of this matters to you. You Trumpers now have years of experience rationalizing, blaming, and diverting.

                    As many of us warned early on, the bar has been lowered, standards long gone. Values? What are those?

                    Y'all really have some nerve.

                  2. IslandBites profile image68
                    IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Does that means you didn't have any to begin with?

                  3. hard sun profile image76
                    hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    You're still pounding on the same nonsensical drum. Trump is not  for office for MANY reasons..not just cause he's a pervert. I rest my case that you seem so adamant that needs to be made.

                    Are you attempting to feel better for your vote for the loony conman? It was a bad decision. It doesn't mean you're a bad person. You can clear your conscience by voting against him, or you can continue they cycle of confusion, dread and excuses by voting for him.

                    And now you start with the name calling. If I were to call you a hypocrite, you would feign outrage and victimhood, you've done it to me...just as Trump does.

                    America needs morality not Trump and his campaign of division...anything to fire up the base to get votes. You are on the wrong side of history.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I am bot attempting to feel better. I have always been truthful of why I voted for Trump, and also that I am very in the end satisfied with my choice. he has done a great job from the moment he walked into the office.

                      1. hard sun profile image76
                        hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Keep telling yourself that. However, it's better to confront the demons. I'm confident that most mental health professionals agree on that.

                    2. Live to Learn profile image61
                      Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Wrong side of history?  What are you? Nostradamus?

                      1. profile image0
                        PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        It doesn't take Nostradamus to predict how Trump and his rabid base will be viewed through the lens of history, just eyes, ears and a brain.

              2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Is it not just a bit hypocritical?  I mean some of us made the same claim three years ago. LOL

              3. wilderness profile image78
                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Sounds like 2016 revisited, when so many Republicans voted Trump because there was no other choice.  And Democrats countrywide condemned them for it because there was another choice - the best choice in the history of presidential elections!

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I never said anything about who should be president. I guess I need to be blunt due to my comment is certainly not conveying what I am trying to say.

              So, now the Dems have a candidate that has a vile sexual allegation hanging over his head. Will they dance about and make what they see as logical excuses for Biden. Biden now has one of the very attributed they bashed Trump in the head with.

              My question was simple, and you have already become the face. Trump did this, Trump did that, and more of it. ARE YOU GOING TO CONSIDER VOTING FOR BIDEN?

              1. hard sun profile image76
                hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I thought we were done. Lesser of two evils...maybe google the phrase.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I see you want to take the easy way out. I guess I will wait a bit to see who you support in the next election.  I wish I could make a bet...

              2. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Trump has set the bar so low, even you Trump enablers should see this. You're griping about the same thing you ignored from Trump, Shar?

                You yourself should understand why Biden is still preferred by the Left. You voted for a guy with multiple accusations of sexual assault, but don't see why others would do the same.

          2. IslandBites profile image68
            IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            How deep did you have yours?

            lol SMH

          3. Ken Burgess profile image70
            Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            It is apparent, there is a small select portion of the population, the same portion that still tunes in to the likes of CNN and MSNBC and actually believes they put forth truth and facts (they don't, its all opinion, bias, and misinformation)… that will vote for who-ever the Dems put up.

            Senile, Pedophile, Criminally Corrupt and a traitor to America... they do not care, they will vote for Biden or who-ever is presented as their "salvation" from the oppressive, evil dictatorship of the Russian puppet Trump.

            You'll have more luck convincing the Ayatollah Khomeini that Israel has a right to exist, than you will convincing these folks that Trump hasn't been the worst President in all history.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              History will tell the tale Ken. Certainly not you or I...

            2. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I would think senility is a trait that would appeal to more than a few people in this forum.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Cheap shot...

        2. Readmikenow profile image83
          Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          The key words is "Allegations."  Doesn't really mean anything.  In the article you provided the one woman withdrew the lawsuit.  Seriously?

          1. hard sun profile image76
            hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not the one that started this discussion Mike. But, it's clear you will always step in to defend your hero.

            1. Readmikenow profile image83
              Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              To be honest, obama supporters dismissed his allegations in much the same way.  There have been books about the allegations against obama.  The cry from the left was always "they're just allegations" and just laugh them off.

              "The biggest untold story of the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election... Finally, the no-holds-barred, 100% true story of Barack Obama's use and sale of cocaine; his homosexual affairs and the December 23, 2007 murder of Barack Obama's former lover and choir director of Obama's Chicago church of 20 years, Donald Young, just days before the 2008 Iowa Caucus. This searing candid story begins with Barack Obama meeting Larry Sinclair in November, 1999, and subsequently procuring and selling cocaine, and then engaging in consensual, homosexual sex with Sinclair on November 6th and again on November 7, 1999. You'll read in riveting detail how Sinclair, in 2007, repeatedly contacted and requested that the Obama campaign simply come clean about their candidate's 1999 drug use and sales. You learn how the Obama campaign, David Axelrod and Barack Obama used Donald Young (the homosexual lover of Barack Obama) to contact and seek out information from Sinclair about who he had told of Obama's crimes and actions."

              https://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Lar … 0578013878

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                lol Mike, read a bit more about the guy you're using to smear Obama.

                https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-ac … sv16_mcN9S

                1. Readmikenow profile image83
                  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  So, the left automatically believes anything said about President Donald Trump and treats every allegation as if it is fact.  So, my point is he's not the only president who has had false allegations made against him.  This is just the short list of allegations made against obama.  Maybe, the left needs to learn allegations are not facts.

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                    PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    As I keep reminding everyone, Trump has bragged about assaulting women and intentionally walking in on undressed teenage girls. That means he is a sexual predator according to the one person--besides the victims, of course--who would know without a doubt: Donald Trump himself.

                2. Readmikenow profile image83
                  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  So?  The point is the left treats every allegation made against President Donald Trump as if they are true and factual.  He's not the first or last president to have allegations made against him.  The left needs to learn how the allegations made against President Donald Trump have as little substance as those made against obama.  To be honest, this is the short list of allegations made against obama.  See, those on the right aren't gullible enough to believe such things.  It's obvious the same can't be said for those on the left.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    You really don't care where you get your "facts" from do you, Mike? As long as it fits your idea of the truth....

                    1. tsadjatko profile image79
                      tsadjatkoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      If that’s not projection I don’t know what is!

                      Mike,

                      Randy’s projection just confirms what you said, “See, those on the right aren't gullible enough to believe such things.  It's obvious the same can't be said for those on the left.”

                    2. Readmikenow profile image83
                      Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Randy is accusing me of acting like a Democrat...how insulting.  I'm simply trying to illustrate how Democrats on the left act.  Funny...how when you put a mirror in the face of Democrats on the left...they can't see themselves.

                      1. tsadjatko profile image79
                        tsadjatkoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic!

                      2. Randy Godwin profile image60
                        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        lol Not accusing you of anything but using crappy links for your "facts," Mike. Do you ever check out the veracity of them? Obviously not!

                3. crankalicious profile image81
                  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow. The parade of nutty responses continues. Now we have our facts coming from Lucas, a guy on YouTube, a self-published book that nobody has read and has absolutely zero legitimacy in even the most ridiculous fantasy world, and Donald Trump’s own re-election web site. I think we all know what truth comes from such sources.

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, and some of those allegations describe exactly what Trump bragged about doing. He brags about assaulting women.

      7. hard sun profile image76
        hard sunposted 5 years ago

        Plus, you just wrote "I am not aware of any criminal charges being filed on Trump for sexual abuse"

        So, once again, where's the logic? Are you are aren't you aware of all the Trump sexual abuse allegations. Some of them certainly made it to the courts as criminal charges.

        And, actually, the thread topic is coronavirus.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Actually there have never been any criminal charges brought against Trump for anything. There was a mother that initiated a lawsuit that claimed her daughter was raped by Trump, and she dropped the case. and dropped.

          I think you know where I was going with this conversation. Just getting the jump on hypocrisy. 

          And it was not me that brought up the subject it was Sychophantastic. Although I have subsequently started a thread on the subject.

      8. profile image0
        PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago

        Typical Trump supporter nonsense: weird twisted logic; laughable accusations of hypocrisy. Unbelievably nutty. Very much like Trump himself.

        1. hard sun profile image76
          hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Yup...it's not hard to understand how he got his support. Wow.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I am still asking will you support Biden?  Wow

            Seems you can't answer that question without making yourself a hypocrite.

      9. profile image0
        PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago

        Can I just say that copying and pasting such a huge amount of text is unnecessary and makes the thread extra annoying to scroll through, especially when multiple people reply to it.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Well maybe stop and read it. You might be pleased with some of the actions that are being performed. Or you could research it for falsehoods as Crank is doing.

          1. crankalicious profile image81
            crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I got my facts at HiilaryClinton.com so you know they’re true.

            There is also a girl I watch on YouTube named Trina.

            And a guy who lives in a cave who self-published his own book that says Trump is a Martian.

            1. profile image0
              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              big_smile

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Prove just one thing that is untrue on the list. I need not results in insults, you are making my point very clear.

        2. GA Anderson profile image84
          GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I will second that. My scroll finger is plumb wore out.

          GA

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I wanted to provide some evidence of what our Government is doing to make every attempt to get us all through this very bad period in our history. Just me, but I am over listening to all the "he said this" and how could he say that".  I just wanted to impress -- "He did this" and He did that". 

            Read it, it's sobering. In fact, it's history and shows this president can truly solve problems, not just talk about solving them. His mouth gets him in trouble. But his innate talent for solving problems is what he will be remembered for. Just saying...

            1. GA Anderson profile image84
              GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I wasn't criticizing your post Sharlee, it was extensive and comprehensive. I was just agreeing with PrettyPanther that direct responses that quoted it made for a lot of scrolling to get to subsequent comments.

              It is an HP coding thing—we used to be able to snip quoted responses, their text was included in the response box—that should be reestablished. In the past I frequently used the <snipping> to delete multiple memes in comments I would reply to.

              GA

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                GA, Oh no I did not think you where criticizing at all.  And yes it was lengthy.  As a rule, I just post links to info. I just did not seem to be doing the trick this time around. I guess my weariness is showing.  I promise I will not ever do it again.  So sorry.

      10. paradigmsearch profile image59
        paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

        Here is a barn-burner of an article concerning our USA medical system and more. It is not pretty. https://www.theguardian.com/news/databl … y-covid-19

      11. Readmikenow profile image83
        Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14964884.jpg

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Do you think Trump knows about medicine, Mike?  I never considered Greta an expert on the climate, and don't know anyone personally who did.  Not even a good try.....

          1. tsadjatko profile image79
            tsadjatkoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Then tell us Randy just what do you think she is?

            The Cabal's puppet given mass exposure to sell their agenda?

            That fits doesn’t it.

          2. Readmikenow profile image83
            Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Well Randy, you are one of the few on the left who didn't make that 16-year-old girl the most brilliant climate change authority on the planet.  She spoke at the UN on climate change.  It couldn't get any more ridiculous.

            "Her influence on the world stage has been described by The Guardian and other newspapers as the "Greta effect".[9] She has received numerous honors and awards including: honorary Fellowship of the Royal Scottish Geographical Society; Time magazine's 100 most influential people and the youngest Time Person of the Year; inclusion in the Forbes list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women (2019)[10] and two consecutive nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize (2019 and 2020[11])"

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I admired her stand on climate change, but I think it was also about a young girl with asperger syndrome speaking to the powers-that-be which gained her the most notoriety.

              Since you are probably a science denier as far as climate change goes, I can understand why you don't like Greta and her stand.

              1. Readmikenow profile image83
                Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "Science Denier" you and everyone who thinks that way are funny to me.

                So, you believe in man-made global warming?  What are you doing about it? Still use gas to run your car, generator, farm equipment?  You're killing the planet.  Still eating beef?  You're killing the planet.  Still using things that depend on fossil fuels?  Things like rubber, plastics, glass, etc.?  You are killing the planet.  Go ahead and say I believe in man-made global warming.  Good.  Now, if you start living your life like you believe in man-made global warming I may do something other than laugh.

                Greta flying all over the world to accept awards...burning massive amounts of fossil fuels and dumping tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.  She's killing the planet. 

                The only thing I admire about Greta is her ability to be such a successful hypocrite to the masses of gullible people who have more emotion than brains.

                That pretty much describes the left.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  "Go ahead and say I believe in man-made global warming.  Good."

                  Is this a yes or a no, Mike? I do believe we've contributed to the advance in world temps with the use of fossil fuels and deforestation. I don't believe the problem can be solved overnight either.

                  In India and other parts of the world people can see the sky again as the virus is shutting major industries down and the smog and air quality has improved vastly.

                  Not suggesting we need to totally shut down all industry, but some hurt the environment worse than others. Coal being an example.

                  As far as your description of the Left goes...sticks and stones and all that $hit. tongue

                2. IslandBites profile image68
                  IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Greta flying all over the world to accept awards...burning massive amounts of fossil fuels and dumping tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.  She's killing the planet.

                  Are you sure?

      12. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

        Anyone catch the propaganda video Trump played at today's coronavirus briefing? It was like this was a campaign rally to bolster Trump personally. He was rude and dismissive as usual, but it seemed he was extra teed off at the questions today.

        1. tsadjatko profile image79
          tsadjatkoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Rude and dismissive? You sound proud like that’s something he learned from you, which actually is believable.

        2. profile image0
          PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          We missed The Trump Show yesterday but figured it must have reached new heights of awful based on some of the news coverage.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Clips mostly from Fox News with Sean and Laura making excuses for his tardy actions re the virus. With cherry picked clips from reliable sources as well.

      13. paradigmsearch profile image59
        paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

        Has an interesting map of the U.S. Covid-19 outbreak, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/imf-glo … virus.html

      14. Ewent profile image56
        Ewentposted 5 years ago

        Sure Why not? Isn't that what Trump does too when he knows he is lying and is confronted with irrefutable FACTS we KNOW we can prove?

        There is an old saying, if you don't want a response, don't speak.

      15. Ewent profile image56
        Ewentposted 5 years ago

        Meanwhie, NHK (Japan's TV media) has reported a second wave of Coronavirus outbreaks in China and Japan. But to Trump that doesn't matter.

        The thug in chief can't play golf because his resorts are all shut down. So now he is "total authority" in violation of the 10th Amendment that gives states' rights to states over the Federal government.

        I love to do anything and everything that will drive Trump close to the edge if he is not already there. That is how you get rid of someone so evil only evil people support him.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Ewent, are you on a roll or what? Did someone put something in your coffee this morning?

          The only "Constitution" Trump cares about is his own.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Glad she is one of yours...

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I am too, because she is "spot on".

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Ditto!

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Really Randy? EWENT is spot on?  I will assume you would not have posted your ditto unless you read all of her recent posts. I won't point out any examples of her posts, because she is entitled to them. I will point out she made multiple assumptions that blanketed many that post here characters. I am surprised you agreed with widespread ditto.

                  I think your ditto has provided me with answers to a couple of things I have been thinking about.  You have done me a favor.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    No need to thank me Shar! tongue

                  2. Ewent profile image56
                    Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Ewent is spot on because I can PROVE what I pot. Don't bother posting any more of your distortions of facts. That's the ONLY skill you narrow minded right wingers have.

                    I don't make assumptions. I live in NJ where he got a 2014 FinCEN money laundering fine. Want to deny that? Don't bother. He was warned to stop the money laundering 3 times from the mid 2000s and like you and all of your obstinate ruthless brazen lawless righties, refused.

                    This is not the Wild West pallie. This is a government of the people, FOR the people, BY the people.

                    Sorry if we will cut off your federal funding and keep it in our states so your states have to shut your lying mouths and actually break a sweat.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      "Ewent is spot on because I can PROVE what I pot. Don't bother posting any more of your distortions of facts. That's the ONLY skill you narrow minded right wingers have."

                      POT? Drinking again...

                      ". I live in NJ where he got a 2014 FinCEN money laundering fine"
                      What the hell is FinCEN?

                      And then there is this... LOL
                      "and like you and all of your obstinate ruthless brazen lawless righties, refused."

                      Are you trying to say al righties launder money? OMG LOL

                      Are you quoting Lincoln? If so it's  "of the people, by the people, for the people" you sort of got it half ass-backward.

                      Hey, your Gov. has been sucking up federal funds pretty good during this COVID19 crisis. And I can assure you, Gov.Phil Murphy will have his hand out for many more months.

                      "Sorry if we will cut off your federal funding and keep it in our states so your states have to shut your lying mouths and actually break a sweat."

                      Jersey has no control over which states receive federal funds. I hated to be the one to tell you this.

            2. Ewent profile image56
              Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Hey blondie, You know there is ammonia in all hair dye? I'd be careful of brain damage if I were a bottle blonde.

              Pay attention lil ole Dixiebelle. I live in NJ. Don't you ever tell anyone who is paying through MY taxes Trump's 6 corporate bankruptcies he filed in 2014.

              The way to shut mouths like yours is TRUTH you can't deny. So, as the top notch freelance writer I know I am, do yourself a favor rightie, get the facts before you post your drivel.

              There are court records in black and white you righties hate.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, I do have a beautiful head of blonde hair. Not at all shocked, you noted it. I can understand your vague insult in regards to my hair. It's called "hair envy". I also noted how little hair you have, that's such a shame. And actually I don't come from the south, but if that suits your delusion have at it.

                As for your claim of being a "top-notch writer," you certainly don't construct sentences very well.

                "Don't you ever tell anyone who is paying through MY taxes Trump's 6 corporate bankruptcies he filed in 2014." 

                This sentence is incoherent. And then there is this one.

                " So, as the top-notch freelance writer I know I am, do yourself a favor rightie, get the facts before you post your drivel."

                You're either inebriated or ill-educated. I tend to think both.

                I suggest you converse with those that share your opinions, that and have a similar thought process. as your own. We have zero in common.

          2. Ewent profile image56
            Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            No. Things in the freelance writing SEO business are barely there. I'm Trump's worst nightmare.

            One of the worst things about someone like me is that I cannot stand bullies and liars. To me, they are like waving a blood red flag in front of a raging bull.

            I find it a thrill when I can defy liars and bullies and tantalize and torment them. I know they can't take it and they always want the last word. I cut them off at the pass with facts I KNOW I can prove and they can't.

            How do you prove a lie? 90% of a bully is a personal opinion not fact and for me that makes them ripe for the picking.

      16. Ewent profile image56
        Ewentposted 5 years ago

        Trump may not have created this virus. But, this virus created the REAL Trump we are now seeing first hand.

        He flies into rages when anyone DARES to contradict him. 2 year old little boys do that too.

        He  is an obxnoxious, rude, lewd liar who thinks only HE makes all the decisions. No. He does not.

        Trump's reckoning is at hand. He cannot lie to medical experts who know more than he ever will. He cannot lie to Americans who are suffering and dying from a virus HE refused to prepare for.

        While the right loves to do their Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!

        We do not intend to allow them to lie and claim he warned everyone early on NO He did not. As those Navarro memos warning Trump that we have NOW all seen prove.

        Trump supporters deserve NO respect for supporting what they know is an evil liar and grifter like Trump.

        They want him to be a dictator? Fine. They can have their dictator. Just not on our federal tax dollars.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          As I have always said, "the Farce always has a profound effect on the feeble minded"

          1. GA Anderson profile image84
            GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Geez . . . and just when I thought there was hope for you. *sigh

            GA

      17. Ewent profile image56
        Ewentposted 5 years ago

        Why not tell us the sky over the heads of Trump supporters is never blue? The blue wave is coming and we intend to make sure the Trump supporters go out with as much misery as your support for a world class liar and grifter, as we can provide.

        Get over it Biden will win by a landslide. Trump's days are over. Now you can go and tell Big Daddah that the bully act is over.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I hope, Ewent, for all of our sakes, you are right.

          Trump supporters are automatons, finding the "off" switch will not be easy.

          1. Ewent profile image56
            Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            There is only ONE success in Trump's life: FAILURE. He has never ever managed to be the success he pretends he is.

            Want proof? Go back to his earliest days in business when Daddy handed him the CEO job over his brother Fred Jr. Daddy gave The Donald $350 million and he squandered every dime of it on luxuries like his yacht, The Princess, the size of an Onassis tanker.

            10 years later, he got a flood of lawsuits and defaulted on 6 bank loans to where only 2 US banks would loan him a cent. Deutschebank and the Chicago S&L.

            Nothing Trump does is ever a success.  But now he is too too in the public eye not to be noticed.

            How did his deal to stop North Korea from building more nukes work out? How did his wall? How did his attempts to take over the media come to fruition?

            He's a loser from the gutters of Queens NY and a failure.

      18. Ewent profile image56
        Ewentposted 5 years ago

        Trump is asking for what he will get from the governors he is not only cheating out of federal funding for this virus they do the most paying for, but he is violating states rights when he dares to claim he is "total authority" over governors we elect.

        The real joke is how since the Civil War the conservatives were the bastion of states' rights and their battle cry was always "States Rights!"

        Notice how suddenly the conservatives have gone deathly silent about Trump violating the 10th Amendment?

        As Governor Cuomo said this week, "If Trump tries to reopen NY state before it is safe, he will have a constitutional crisis on his hands.

        Now, even the bloody red state of LA's governor is also saying the same thing.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          The Right/conservatives are more hypocrites than authentic. Conservatives only speak of "states rights" when it is convenient and it work in favor of their addled agendas.

          1. Ewent profile image56
            Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            There was a report done by the Rockefeller Institute back in May 2013 that analyzed which states were donors and which were "moochers."

            Dem states get on average 79 cents for every $1 they pay in federal taxes. The moocher states get from $1.52 up to So. Carolina's $7.87 for what they pay in federal taxes.

            If our Dem states don't get it, withhold it and let the moochers go under. Who cares?

            As it turns out, 13 all Dem states are the donor of federal funding that 37 moocher states need in order to keep their states out of the red.

            This puts money power in the hands of 13 Dem states. Right now NY and NJ need every dime of federal funding that is being handed to moocher states.

            I've encouraged an army of FB friends to contact their Dem state governors to temporarily earmark ALL federal tax dollars for this virus.

            Give Trump what he wants: His very own deep state federal government. Just don't give him one cent of federal tax dollars.

            Since it is the states who collect these federal tax dollars before it goes to the Fed, it is perfectly legal for states to earmark as much of federal tax dollars as their states need.

            And, by withholding federal taxes now, it protects SS, Medicare and Medicaid all of which an be dispersed by states. Hand it to Trump and it will disappear.

            Also, there is no loss of jobs for federal employees. They simply do their jobs in their home states who will need their experience.

            Who cares if the for profit wars in military industry states stop eating up 50% of every annual federal budget? Should we care if the polluter states have to use their state taxes for clean up of their pollution?

            Should we cry buckets of tears if the prison industry states can't find excuses to pack their prisons to the rafters so they can beg more federal funding?

            This is a win win for states rights by cutting out the federal government which in reality is nothing more than a middle man who sends 85% of our federal tax dollars to Republican states ONLY.

            If we don't get it fairly. We keep it.

      19. Ewent profile image56
        Ewentposted 5 years ago

        There isn't a single individual in NY or NJ who doesn't know Trump. He is the ultimate grifter wheeler dealer. His nose is always sniffing out profits for himself and his business. That's a legacy that has been a total failure.

        He has been sued over 4,000 times in NJ alone for refusing to pay back wages to his hotel and casino workers and dozens of union contractors he hired to work for him and never paid.

        But, when he plays doctor prescribing HClq, there is a reason. Check the origin of who is a stockholder of the company who manufactures it.

        One of the major reasons he was in no hurry to make the entire medical community prepare in December for this epidemic is so typical of his usual delays...profit.

        So he waited until all of the medical equipment and drug deals could be worked out to his advantage. In the meantime, people were dying because of his delays.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Sued 4000 times? I did not know that it was that often. Anyone with that sort of record should be in jail, not the Oval Office.

          1. Ewent profile image56
            Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            One of the major reasons Trump has not gone to jail for the same crimes as Gotti, Scarfo and other Mafiosi is that he was able to afford an army of high profile lawyers like Dershowitz, Kasowitz, Sekulow and Felder.

            There isn't a person living in NY or NJ who doesn't know these are his back pocket lawyers and not to mention judges like Napolitano and Kavanaugh.

            Kavanaugh was the judge here in NJ who oversaw the case of Trump vs. the Casino unions.

            Don't wonder why Kavanaugh got the seat on the Supreme Court. The problem for Trump came when his favorite back pocket judge Napolitano was promised that seat on the SC and Trump handed it to Kavanaugh instead.

            As Napolitano in a snarky response to being double crossed by Trump said and I quote, "Is that any way to treat a friend?"

        2. wilderness profile image78
          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          LOL  Yeah, his stock ownership in companies that make that drug came out the other day.  He owns shares of a mutual fund that in turn own some stock in drug companies...including some companies that make HClq.  So if that stock goes up so does the mutual fund and Trump makes a few pennies, even though he does not own the stock and has zero control over what the mutual fund buys or sells.

          As usual, the stories from the Trump haters are blown completely out of proportion with the intent to convince a reader that something is true (Trump stands to make a fortune with production of HClq) when it simply isn't.  A lie, in other words.

          1. Readmikenow profile image83
            Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Sure is easy to make accusations and provide no proof.

            1. tsadjatko profile image79
              tsadjatkoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Actually for people who do that it isn’t easy. Their IQs prove it. It’s like a parrot. Easy for them to say things but really hard to know the meaning.

              1. crankalicious profile image81
                crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                What's your IQ? Judging by the Frank Turek article, I'd say not very high.

                How would you evaluate the IQ of somebody who would say this:

                "It's like in golf... A lot of people - I don't want this to sound trivial - but a lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive... it's weird. You see these great players with these really long putters, because they can't sink three-footers anymore. And, I hate it. I am a traditionalist. I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist."

            2. crankalicious profile image81
              crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Serious question, Mike.

              What exactly is your standard for proof? Considering that you linked to some self-published piece of trash on Amazon about Obama's many homosexual affairs, I imagine that standard is quite low. Then there's Ken, whose standard is a guy on Youtube named Lucas.

              Is making an accusation without proof very far off from that? Isn't that precisely what you're doing?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I agree Crank, Ken's use of Youtube videos to prove his "facts" tells one a lot about him. And Mike is no better with his junk.

              2. Readmikenow profile image83
                Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Crank,

                You missed my point entirely.

                There is a book that makes the same claims called "Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama" written by a Pulitzer Prize winning author David Garrow.

                The point is simply because someone makes an accusation doesn't make it true.

                When you are big in society, you become a big target.  President Donald Trump has been a very wealthy and successful man his entire life.  Many people are going to try and take advantage of him or try to tear him down.  It goes with the territory.

                I refuse to simply accept what a person says as fact.

                Do I think obama had gay relationships? If obama admitted it or there was clearly unalterd photographic evidence, I would consider it.  Other than that, it is simply an allegation.

                How many times do people have to link to a lawsuit filed saying that President Donald Trump raped a 13 year old girl...BUT they fail to realize it's been filed twice and withdrawn twice without a judges ruling.  How many people actually look a little further and realize in the document, it claims the girl told her father about the alleged rape.  How many realize, as a father, if your 13 year old daughter tells you she's been raped...you file a law suit?  You don't go to the authorities?  A little bit of thinking would reveal this claim as quite bogus.  It is an unfounded accusation.  I need more proof than a person's words.

                Do I believe that obama did drugs?  Yes.  Why?  He said so himself.

                "When I was a teenager I used drugs, I drank, I pretty much tried whatever was out there. But I was in Hawaii and it was a pretty relaxed place," Obama told the rapper.

                "I was lucky that I did not get addicted except to cigarettes which took me a long time to kick. But it does seem as if the speed in which you can get hooked on opiate-based medicines is fierce," the president said.

                https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video … there.html

                1. crankalicious profile image81
                  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, Mike, I'm glad I missed your point and that you've clarified. It just worries me that you read stuff like that Amazon book you linked to. I don't read sources that would expose me to something like that.

                  Again though, you kind of avoided the question. What is your standard? Like for climate change for instance. Your standard seems to be a very narrow number of people who claim climate change is a hoax while most of the world's climate scientists say otherwise.

                  So your standard would appear to be accept any fringe opinion if he aligns with your thinking?

                  1. Readmikenow profile image83
                    Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    First things first, the Amazon book was used as an example of how anybody can make an allegation and that doesn't make it true.  So, I think using the Amazon book was a good way to make my point.

                    When it comes to climate change, there are three different schools of thought.  One says there is no climate change, another says there is no man made climate change and the last says there is only man made climate change.

                    So, do the majority of scientists believe in the last one?  Interesting article from Forbes magazine.  You see, the 97 percent is based on two articles.  It is based on 928 papers with the word climate change in them. 

                    "The 97% number was popularized by two articles, the first by Naomi Oreskes, now Professor of Science History and Affiliated Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University, and the second by a group of authors led by John Cook, the Climate Communication Fellow for the Global Change Institute at The University of Queensland. Both papers were based on analyses of earlier publications. Other analyses and surveys arrive at different, often lower, numbers depending in part on how support for the concept was defined and on the population surveyed.

                    This public discussion was started by Oreskes’ brief 2004 article, which included an analysis of 928 papers containing the keywords “global climate change.” The article says “none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position” of anthropogenic global warming. Although this article makes no claim to a specific number, it is routinely described as indicating 100% agreement and used as support for the 97% figure.

                    In the strict sense, the 97% consensus is false, even when limited to climate scientists. "

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2 … 0c9f011576

                    See, my standard is higher than just accepting headlines in news stories.  I want to know how the consensus was created and what is was based on.   

                    Can you say the same?

                  2. crankalicious profile image81
                    crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    The Forbes link is good, Mike.

                    The problem is, the link says the consensus is more likely between 80 and 90%, but to some people, that's justification to question the validity of the overall claim. You'd rather go with the 10-20% on this one?

                    The evidence for man-made climate change is overwhelming. The science behind global warming and increased CO2 in the atmosphere is also irrefutable. But by bringing up fringe opinion, oil companies and others get to distract people from the truth in the science, making them question science, scientists, how science works; etc.

                    And not surprisingly, we find ourselves in our present situation because the very foundation for how we determine truth is questioned and maligned and that foundation is eroded and crumbling. Agencies that promote sound scientific practice are maligned, defunded, eliminated; etc.

                    1. Readmikenow profile image83
                      Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      "The problem is, the link says the consensus is more likely between 80 and 90%"

                      Are you happy with the method used to determine this being scanning 998 papers for the word climate change and then when that is found, it is listed as someone who believes in man made climate change?

                      Sorry, that method is a bit inaccurate for my taste.  I think when looking at all the facts and the methodology used to obtain it, that is a real bogus number.

                      Based on your logic, Galileo should have been labeled anit-science. 

                      "Galileo Galilei was tried in 1633 for spreading the heretical view that the Earth orbits the sun, convicted by the Roman Catholic Inquisition, and remained under house arrest until his death. "

                      Why don't more scientists come forward with their lack of belief of man made global warming?  Punishment. 

                      https://www.wsj.com/articles/punishing- … 1458772173

                      Those scientists who have disagreed have lost their jobs, been denied funding for their projects, subject to death threats and more.

                      Galileo was crushed by the Roman Catholic church, who paid the scientists of the day and punished those who did not agree with them.

                      Today,  we have the left.  They are the same as the Roman Catholic church of time of Galileo and just as dedicated to have everyone believe as they do no matter what.

                      1. crankalicious profile image81
                        crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Sure, Mike. And cigarettes don't cause cancer. Keep smoking!

                2. crankalicious profile image81
                  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Also, you say that Trump has been successful all his life?

                  Wasn't he born into wealth? So how is remaining wealthy successful? He's declared bankruptcy many times. How is that successful?

                  And if you look at his words, his actual words, they do not reflect an intelligent individual. How is it he's never learned more in his life?

                  If you equate wealth with success, then all wealthy people are successful?

                  1. wilderness profile image78
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Does leveraging a million dollars into four and half Billion count as successful?  Trump not only remained wealthy (if you count a mere million or two as "wealthy", but increased that amount by a thousand fold.  Can't see any possible label except "successful here.

                    How many people have risen to the top in three widely differing fields (acting, business and politics)?  How many of those were stupid?  How can you possible declare that Trump is not intelligent, or that he knows nothing, with that kind of record?

                    1. crankalicious profile image81
                      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I'm judging his intelligence by the words that come out of his mouth. Most intelligent individuals have decent vocabularies. I have an 11-year-old who has a substantially better vocabulary than our President. I'm judging by the complexity of his thought and his expression of those thoughts. He's one of the least intelligent leaders we've ever seen based on the things that he says, his own words. (the only leader I can think of who seems less intelligent is Duerte from the Philippines). Personally, I would far prefer you as our President, Wilderness, as I think you are probably 20+ IQ points smarter than our President.

                      Unable to declare bankruptcy, where would he be?

                      A million dollars? He was worth far more than that. I like that you believe his story that he started with a million dollars. Because he's so truthful and never manipulates stories to make himself look good.

                      1. wilderness profile image78
                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        You're judging him as "unintelligent" because he doesn't know, and use, the vocabulary your think he should (either yours or that of polished politicians).  Then, to top it off, you ignore his successes as if they are of no import. 
                        (Just watched our state governor give a speech on the virus and his response - he makes Trump look like Obama when it comes to the ability to talk into a microphone.  But I would hardly classify him as "unintelligent" because of that.)

                        Doesn't sound like a very good test for intelligence to me.

                        A great many businesses have gone through bankruptcy, and even more business owners.  Is that something also to be set aside and ignored, along with the end result of amassing a fortune, as if it is irrelevant?

                        More than a million or two?  Proof please, or are you just accepting the stories on the web because anything found there is always truthful and never manipulates stories in order to spread discontent and hate?

                    2. Randy Godwin profile image60
                      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Where do you get the four and a half billion number from, Dan? It's well known he's used his dad's money as a basis for his Forbes claims, so you must have seen his financial records or tax returns. Or are you simply taking his word for it?

          2. Ewent profile image56
            Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Really? So because we in NY and NJ know what a filthy dirty past Trump has, you love him  and his evil?

            Figures. Evil is as evil does. Thumping a Bible after years of boozing, womanizing and exploiting the most vulnerable has a price tag.

            Trump will not be in the White House in 2021. There are more of us than there are Trump voters.

            And get over it. If you love evil, keep your evil SOB Trump to yourselves. We have NO intentions of allowing more Americans to die because he THINKS he is "total authority."

            You two faced righties kept Obama on a tight leash so you could unleash a dirty dog sexual predator, money laundering fraud on this country?

            Don't wonder why good, decent people will NEVER allow you or Trump to take over.

      20. paradigmsearch profile image59
        paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

        As has been reported on the news about the resulting reduction in pollution, the COVID-19 virus is just nature's (or God's) way of dealing with climate change. I can hardly wait to see what He (or nature) comes up with next...

      21. Readmikenow profile image83
        Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

        This is one reason it is difficult to trust what the government tells us.  From the Associated Press. 
        "US virus numbers now include probable cases without tests

        The U.S. tally of coronavirus cases and deaths could soon jump because federal health officials will now count illnesses that are not confirmed by lab testing.

        The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told states Tuesday to include probable COVID-19 cases in their reports to the agency. Previously, most states reported only lab-confirmed cases and deaths.”

        https://apnews.com/dea52e0a0eb179d51ac5 … dtOP10CLIg

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          What would suggest Mike, using the much in demand needed tests on people already deceased, or just ignore those who possibly died from the virus from the count?

          I realize you and Trump want the numbers to appear low, but dang! We all want the numbers to go down, but not artificially for Trump's sake.

          1. Readmikenow profile image83
            Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Having accurate numbers would require testing to make certain a person had indeed died of the Corona virus.  Without the testing, there is no way to determine an accurate death count.

            This is just an effort to provide bogus numbers.  Using this method there is no way to know for certain the number of people who actually died from the Corona virus. 

            Accurate numbers are essential for determining how to deal with it.

            It all comes down to providing an accurate count.

            1. IslandBites profile image68
              IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Then you have no idea how that works. Estimates is how they calculate flu deaths, big natural disasters deaths. It is how they calculated H1N1 deaths and so on. Of course it would be great we you could know for sure, now and always, but it is not realistic.

              1. Readmikenow profile image83
                Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Really?  Do you have any proof this is how it is done?

                It seems like we are getting bogus numbers.

                1. IslandBites profile image68
                  IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I'll get more links but meanwhile...

                  I posted some links here too.

                  https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/347 … us-vs-h1n1

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Mike, The IHME’s are due to provide the fourth revision on their model in the next few days. As you know the model has been severely off with numbers fluctuation from 2.5 million downward to 60 thousand. The actual numbers in regards to infection rate and the death toll have so far been collected from actual tests, hospitalizations for COVID19 and deaths caused by the Virus. It now has been reported they have now started to add deaths that they assume were caused by COVID19. In the end, without testing more citizens for the Virus as well as most importantly the titer, those that may have had the virus and gone undetected it will be hard to detect not only the virulence of the virus but the percentage of death to the actual number that acquired the virus.

              Just my opinion but I feel once many are tested with titer test we may find out many have had COVID19 throughout the winter flu season, and did not have the need for medical attention, so this population went uncounted. This could very well provide stats that will explain the death toll percentage being high in regards to infections.

              Dr. Brix and Fauci have both expressed this possibility early on when they were explaining the models. At any rate, the modeling was severely off on this virus due to just not having the stats needed to predict. Not sure why they would be adding people that are undetermined to have died from COVID19 to the death toll.

              The CDC has a specific method for estimating flu stats. It provides a wide range of stat infection rates, as well as the death rate. They mainly use information from Hospitals as well as death records. In the end, they offer a range in stats and those range numbers are left open to correction, sometimes for two years as stats are studied. The lower number is giving provable deaths from death certificates. The upper range numbers are deaths that were most likely caused by the flu but lacked flu tests.

              https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho … imates.htm

              1. Readmikenow profile image83
                Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Shar,

                Thank you for your input and the link.  The numbers really seem off.  The CDC link you posted only confirms my suspicion.

                A category from the CDC link you provided.

                "Limitations of Influenza Burden Estimates
                These estimates are subject to several limitations."

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I also agree the numbers are going to prove to be off. As I said, Dr. Birx in a few of the first press conferences got me to thinking along the line that many have had it, and are not being counted. It will, in the end, be interesting to see the numbers.

                  1. wilderness profile image78
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Saw a report from an elderly couple on one of the sequestered cruise ships.  Never got the disease but to their immense surprise, when they were checked on finally getting off the boat, found that they have antibodies in their bodies for it.

                    I think we're going to find millions and millions that fought it off without ever realizing they had it.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I hope to be able to get the titer test. In Dec I was very ill with all the same symptoms of COVID19, my husband was also but did not require medical intervention. My son was ill he was very ill with symptoms that mimic COVID19. We both required doctoring for a month due to respiratory problems. My community was inundated by this illness. Our ER's were full. I was told I had Bronchitis, as was my son. Neither of us has ever had any form of lung problems. I truly feel we maybe have had COVID19. I have talked with my doctor, and he informed me he has no way of checking at this point. I will pursue the titer test as soon as it is available, as will so many of my friend and neighbors that were ill at the same time.

                      I agree i believe many have had it, and I also think it came to the US in early Dec.

                      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        "Anyone who wants a test can get one."

                    2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Wilderness, Did you see this Stanford Study?

                      "The prevalence study, led by Stanford Assistant Professor Eran Bendavid, has not been formally published and is still undergoing peer reviews. It has, however, been published on the preprint server medRxiv. As such, it is effectively a first draft, subject to change based on input before formal publication.

                      That said, the early findings indicate that between 48,000 and 81,000 residents in Santa Clara County were infected as of April 1, back when the official count was 956. The estimate is based on 3,330 blood samples that were taken from volunteers in Mountain View, Los Gatos and San Jose on April 3 and April 4 and tested for antibodies to SARS-CoV-"

                      https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2020/04 … oronavirus

      22. IslandBites profile image68
        IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

        Trump administration projecting 3K daily coronavirus deaths by June

        New internal projections from the Trump administration suggest U.S. deaths will grow on a daily basis to 3,000 by the beginning of June, weeks after states have begun reopening their economies.

        The startling figures from models produced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) come as more and more states take steps to remove social distancing measures meant to slow the spread of COVID-19.

        "We’re not even talking about a second wave here, we’re talking about a first wave that never goes away and gets worse,” said one former Health and Human Services (HHS) official.

        The figures estimated the U.S. would see 3,000 deaths per day and 200,000 new cases per day by June 1. Experts and those familiar with the documents said the increases could be attributed to a spread of disease that will come with reopening the economy and partly to an expected expansion of testing, leading to more confirmed cases.

        Trump on Sunday revised his personal prediction for the domestic death toll, saying the U.S. could lose up to 100,000 people from the coronavirus after previously suggesting it would be closer to 60,000.

        Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the White House coronavirus response, said on “Fox News Sunday” that the projections she’s been using “have always been between 100,000 and 240,000 American lives lost, and that's with full mitigation and us learning from each other of how to social distance.”

        https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … -difficult

      23. IslandBites profile image68
        IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

        Even after respiratory symptoms fade, coronavirus victims face danger

        Doctors are beginning to notice a troubling blood-clotting phenomenon, which is occurring more frequently in patients who have the virus. These clots are also being discovered in younger coronavirus patients and can result in sudden strokes or death.

        “There’s something about this virus that’s exaggerated that to the nth degree,” said Mitchell Levy, chief of pulmonary critical care and sleep medicine at the Warren Albert School of Medicine. “We’re seeing clotting in a way in this illness that we have not seen in the past.”


        https://www.foxnews.com/health/even-aft … new-danger

      24. IslandBites profile image68
        IslandBitesposted 5 years ago

        15 children are hospitalized in New York City with an inflammatory syndrome that could be linked to coronavirus

        Fifteen children in New York City have been hospitalized with symptoms compatible with a multi-system inflammatory syndrome possibly linked to coronavirus, according to a health alert issued by the New York City Health Department on Monday.

        At least five of the cases required a ventilator and more than half of the patients required blood pressure support

        A  team at Stanford Children's Hospital in California has reported a case with similar features.
        Pediatric specialists in the UK recently warned that a small number of children were becoming ill with the rare syndrome that could be linked to coronavirus. The Paediatric Intensive Care Society UK (PICS) warned about a small rise in the number of cases of critically ill children, some who had tested positive for Covid-19, presenting "overlapping features of toxic shock syndrome and atypical Kawasaki disease with blood parameters."

        Similar cases have also been reported in Italy and Spain.

        https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/05/heal … index.html

      25. profile image52
        Tonald Drumpposted 4 years ago

        I just heard back from my local health department.  I tested positive for Covid-19.  I'm in quarantine for a few weeks.  Guess I'll get to post more in the forums.

        1. peterstreep profile image80
          peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          You are only trolling. It's always the same. It's suddenly election time and people start to post on the hubpage forums who have never been here before. Let alone write an article.
          I guess you are paid by Tonald Drump himself.
          Sorry ,but your credibility is zero.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I do think you may be right about this person's motives.  But, I don't think he is here to promote Trump. Trump certainly doesn't want any more COVID cases. In fact if you remember it was Trump that stated he "they should stop counting".  This one here for Biden.

            1. peterstreep profile image80
              peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              I just said that to hold a mirror. You are probably right. But sometimes the extreme right is faking the democratic voice to show the republicans what an ass$$&/" they are...And so giving the republican voter a good feeling about their choice.
              Remember Jake? He did the same thing with talking about clown Trump this and clown Trump that. It doesn't work and kills a conversation.
              It is a trick to widen the gap between left and right, instead of trying to find common ground. Because that's what the US needs in my opinion. More common ground between the two parties, but maybe that's not possible. I do not know

              1. profile image52
                Tonald Drumpposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Whether you believe me or not, I cannot control.  But on August 10, I started to develop what I believed to be a head cold.  The symptoms passed within a few days.  What I felt was a fever, persisted.

                But just to be safe, I figured I would get a Covid test.  After being stonewalled by our local county health department since they wanted a referral from a primary care physician, I called my physician's office and left them a message, but they did not return my call.  Three days later, I did a Covid test at a walk-in clinic in town that did not need a referral.  At the test, my temperature was just 98.9 degrees so I thought I may have just been overly concerned.

                Five days later, I received a call from the clinic that I had received a positive result for Covid-19.  The following morning, you get a call from your local county health representative to talk about all the people who you've had contact with.

                As my first symptoms were 10 days prior, I was not required to quarantine, although I have been for extra safety.  Two days after the test, I had some chills and weakness.  Six days, I can understand why some have complained of 'fogginess.'  You just feel a little off.  Breathing through my nose has been a little off, like that feeling you have when you have a head cold and your breath feels a little warmer than normal through that passage.

                I was likely exposed to the virus when I was out on a hike on August 6.  We had an unmasked interaction at the top of a summit with four kids from high-risk states who had ignored our state's two-week quarantine protocols.

                That's a lot of detail for a fabrication.

       
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