The 2024 Presidential Election

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  1. Credence2 profile image82
    Credence2posted 8 months ago

    I have to be concerned because aspects of the upcoming Trump regime are rearing their heads even before his taking the oath of office. He now resists signing ethics certifications that every President previously have been required to affirm?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/09/politics … index.html

    "Democracy dies in the darkness" This is Trump, and America, is this not what you voted for?

    1. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Well, he really doesn't need any ethics does he?  SCOTUS has given him full permission to do as he likes as president.   What I find so ludicrous is the fact that Trump would be denied a federal security clearance if he tried to get one...and look where we are.  I wonder how many of our Nations secrets will end up next to the sh*tter at mar a lago this time?

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        How about other nations secrets as well since he has already gone there divulging Israeli secrets to Putin.

    2. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      And in two months, they will be shutting the lights out at the DOJ and FBI.

      I was talking to my wife about this last night and here I read about it today. Some God-Fearing federal prosecutors are making plans to leave their jobs rather than being forced to do Trump's bidding.

      "“Everyone I’ve talked to, mostly lawyers, are losing their minds,” said one DOJ attorney, who like most of the people interviewed for this article was granted anonymity to speak freely about colleagues and avoid retribution from the president-elect and his allies. “The fear is that career leadership and career employees everywhere are either going to leave or they’re going to be driven out.”

      I imagine the same thing is going on over at DOD, I know I would be if I were still there. It was bad enough when Trump thought there were consequences for his actions.  Now that there are none, I bet all hell is going to break out.

      I am not going to be surprised if Trump doesn't cause a massive breakdown in the functioning of the federal gov't as he installs the modern day equivalents to Heinrich Himmler, and Joseph Goebbels. Maybe he will install someone like Herrmann Goering as the new DoD Chief of Staff.

      It is all within the realm of possibility with this Hitleresque remake.

      https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/1 … t-00188623

  2. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 8 months ago

    My wife reminded me that a lot of Conservatives in my little ruby red corner of Florida are going to be in for a rude awakening in a couple of months.  She watches a community website that I guess most communities have now called some variation of Work-Of-Mouth.

    Well it seems many posters have been saying that they can't wait until Feb 1st for the gas and grocery prices to drop "on day one" as Trump promised them.  Well, I am here to tell you that promise will be broken, one of many to come.

    Of course, once they realize that Trump CONNED them and played them for suckers (as he likes to call our fallen soldiers).  The facts are:

    Gas prices are as low as they are going to get, short of a miracle.

    The only way for grocery prices to decrease across the board now is if we have a medium-sized or greater recession.

    That said, I suspect they may get their wish as Trump's two major policy promises, tariff the hell out of friends and allies and deport a chunk of our workforce, are, according to economists both inflationary and recessionary.

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Gas prices aren't going to drop immediately. Anyone who is cognizant know this.  It takes time for things to improve. It is illogical to believe that things improve overnight.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        "Anyone who is cognizant know this.  It takes time for things to improve. It is illogical to believe that things improve overnight."

        So how quickly should one have  expected things to improve after they had  been turned upside down by a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic?

        On the other hand, Trump has made  fantastical promises that all sorts things will happen  " very quickly". 

        What is his plan, exactly, to lower gas prices?

        1. wilderness profile image77
          wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          In my lifetime I have seen COVID, AIDS, Hong Kong flu and A/H2N2 flu.  Just prior to my life we saw Typhoid, Pertussis, Polio and Smallpox among others. 

          Your "once-in-a-lifetime" is hardly something new to the human race or to this country.

          But I would answer anyway; things should be "normal" about a year after the disease is beaten, or a long time ago.  It would have been, too, if we had not over-reacted to the pandemic as we did.  (I would change that guess to something longer for something like the bubonic plague, with it's 50% death toll for Europe.  Our 0.3% pales in comparison.)

          1. Willowarbor profile image59
            Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            In what will be a generous gift to his successor, Biden beat inflation, brought down gas prices, created millions of jobs, spurred strong growth, boosted retirement savings and revived American manufacturing... just in time for trump to take credit for all of it.

            Any objective assessment of Biden’s tenure would show him to have been a highly successful president, especially on economics (even if no president can actually bring down the price of gas all by himself). The fact that he is widely viewed as a failure shows just how warped our political and informational systems are.

            In a perfect world, we’d all have a good understanding of the challenges presidents face, including what it would take to meet those challenges. We’d know what actions the president took and what the results were. We’d have at least some concept of how things could have gone differently...for better or worse.

            Because we don’t live in that world, economics is where Biden has received the most criticism, and the overall judgment has been brutal.

            Among the things for which Biden gets little acknowledgment is his legislative success. He signed a series of highly consequential bills, including the bipartisan infrastructure bill, the CHIPS and Science Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, which was by far the most important bill addressing climate change in the nation’s history.

            Biden’s critics would say his approval ratings are low primarily because we went through a period of inflation, which people hate. Fair enough. But inflation happened all over the world as supply chains struggled to restart after the worst of the Covid pandemic. The decision we made in the U.S. to minimize the shock of the Covid recession by pumping money into the economy,  a strategy that began while Trump was president, was clearly the correct one, saving the country from an explosion in unemployment.

            America has recovered more quickly and more completely than almost any comparable country. As The Economist put it, “The American economy has left other rich countries in the dust.” Real wages have risen fastest for those at the bottom of the income scale. Today, inflation is at 2.4%, compared with the 9.1% peak in June 2022. The fight against rising prices has essentially been won.  Yet, your guy says he will bring them lower and I'm ready to hold his feet to the fire, daily on this.

            But sadly, few seem aware. Voters punish incumbent parties for inflation, whether or not it was their fault, and even after it’s over. That’s a phenomenon we’ve seen around the world this year. But the fact that voters in other countries are also blaming their governments for inflation doesn’t mean that Biden deserves blame for it, especially given how successful his economic policies have been more generally.

            If your answer to that is “But there are still a lot of people struggling!” that’s true... but it is no more true than it has been for decades, and in many ways, it is less so. For instance, the proportion of Americans without health insurance is at an all-time low, thanks to Democrats (and Republicans are still hoping to repeal the ACA, which would be catastrophic). You can argue that it would be better if Biden had solved the problem of inequality, but you certainly can’t say he did worse on that score than previous presidents.

            Far from “abandoning” working-class people, Biden’s has really  been the most economically populist presidency in decades, probably since FDR’s. He was the first president to walk a picket line, with striking autoworkers. His labor record has been exemplary: He banned noncompete agreements for most workers, expanded overtime pay and saved the pensions of hundreds of thousands of workers. The FTC is finally attacking monopoly power. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which all but lay neglected under Trump, is protecting consumers again. The bills he signed have begun a manufacturing boom, focused purposefully on jobs that don’t require college degrees.

            Harris promised to continue and expand on that progress. Did it convince voters that Democrats are the party of the working class? No, it did not. Yet, Trump, whose primary economic priorities are extending tax cuts for the wealthy and imposing huge tariffs that will be brutal for people of modest incomes, is supposed to be the “populist.” LOL

            There are many other things that could be  mentioned:  student debt relief, Medicare’s finally being allowed to negotiate drug prices, Biden’s extraordinarily progressive record on judicial appointments and the fact that despite republicans’ best efforts to find one, there has been no serious Biden administration scandal. A cynic might say that we can’t expect the average voter to appreciate all this, and while we certainly don’t expect them to, that doesn’t mean not appreciating it isn’t a problem.


            If we want government to be responsive, we would hope that good governance would be rewarded and bad governance would be punished. But for that to occur, the public has to understand what’s actually happening. And for the most part, it doesn’t.

            It’s partly a problem of inattention, compounded by the fact that policy gets more complicated all the time. It’s also about salesmanship..unlike recent presidents who got re-elected (Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan), Biden isn’t a particularly skilled communicator. To make things worse, voters are swimming in a social media environment that is built to pull our attention to outrage and triviality. And the right is particularly adept at using those platforms to distract and deceive; just look at how Elon Musk turned what was Twitter into the engine of misinformation and far-right extremism that is X. 

            Ultimately...Trump will no doubt claim that he is responsible for everything good that Biden did. Worst of all, many people will believe him.

            https://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/2 … essor.html


            https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/p … onomy.html

            1. My Esoteric profile image84
              My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              In case they missed what you factually said:.

              In what will be a generous gift to his successor, Biden beat inflation, that he didn't cause, brought down gas prices, created millions of jobs, spurred strong growth, boosted retirement savings and revived American manufacturing... just in time for trump to take credit for all of it.

              1. wilderness profile image77
                wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                If only the jobs hadn't gone to the millions of illegal aliens he brought in...

                1. Willowarbor profile image59
                  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  First, he did not bring in anyone.  I pray for the day that many in this country come to understand what our immigration laws are and how they work.

                  Second,  I hope people will whine  as loudly when those who work in crucial industries such as meat packing are swept out of this country and prices very quickly rise to levels never seen. 
                  before.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image83
                    Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    "what our immigration laws are and how they work"

                    As someone who has gone through the immigration process with more than one relative...tell me all about it.

                    I'm all ears.

                    Please educate me.

            2. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 8 months agoin reply to this

              A truly great synopsis of where we are right now.

              Yes, Trump will take credit for the efforts of Biden just like he did regarding Obama in 2017.

              People voted for the hegemony of Oligarchy over the truly egalitarian approach of building from the middle class out. Those that believed that Trump will fix it will in fact find out that Trump will fix them in an irreversible fashion.

              He said that he will turn everything around, what will that mean?

            3. My Esoteric profile image84
              My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Willowarbor said: Any objective assessment of Biden’s tenure would show him to have been a highly successful president, especially on economics (even if no president can actually bring down the price of gas all by himself). The fact that he is widely viewed as a failure shows just how warped our political and informational systems are.

              I will expand by pointing out that those professionals whose job is to rate presidents agree with you. They also rate Trump at or very near the bottom.

              I have just started reading analyses about the role of how one gets information.  Those of us who receive it through valid news sources that haven't admitted to lying to you voted for Harris. Those who get it through the very, very unreliable social media platforms like YouTube voted for Trump.

            4. tsmog profile image76
              tsmogposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Just two thoughts, the first is one word - Kudos! The second, that is close to how I see it at this time with the disclaimer, subject to change since 'Change is inevitable'.

            5. My Esoteric profile image84
              My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              You outdid yourself, Willowarbor. Extremely well done!!

            6. wilderness profile image77
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              " You can argue that it would be better if Biden had solved the problem of inequality, but you certainly can’t say he did worse on that score than previous presidents."

              The only way to do poorly on "inequality" is to try and fix it.

              We are not born equal, we don't live equal lives, we don't want equal results from our lives.  There is nothing "equal" about us, no matter how many times liberals tell us we are.  It is a major failing of the liberal philosophy, one which they desperately need to address and quit trying to "fix" us by making everyone "equal" somehow.

            7. Ken Burgess profile image73
              Ken Burgessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Yup... and all that SPENDING is why we had 25% inflation over the course of his 4 years... so you are correct:

              "In a perfect world, we’d all have a good understanding of the challenges presidents face, including what it would take to meet those challenges. We’d know what actions the president took and what the results were. We’d have at least some concept of how things could have gone differently."

              That IS how you get inflation... by spending Trillions of dollars more than you have... creating debt and inflation.

              And Americans... enough of them anyway... understood that fact.



              Wow... just wow... between inflation, interest rates, terrorizing workers with "get vaccinated or get fired', instigating WWIII, and dropping millions of migrants on unsuspecting towns, its hard to believe anyone is pushing such opposite-of-reality perspectives.

              The surprise was that so many Americans DID see the reality... and voted accordingly, showing that there are still more people attached to reality than living in the deranged MSNBC version of it.

              1. Willowarbor profile image59
                Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Biden got the deals that Trump couldn't.   They are so beneficial and consequential that not even Trump will be stupid enough to touch them.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image73
                  Ken Burgessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  "Beneficial and consequential"... oh well then... do tell all the benefits we have seen for the trillions more in debt and the huge hit to prices (inflation) we have seen... I am earnestly looking forward to you listing all the benefits we have gotten...

      2. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 8 months agoin reply to this

        How much time do I give him? The remainder of his 4 year term? As far as I am concerned he boasted that he can fix it, so to have any credibility,
        he had best be quick about it,

  3. Ken Burgess profile image73
    Ken Burgessposted 8 months ago

    Which side has all the lunatics again?

    UNHINGED Liberal Women Call For ENDING MEN'S LIVES For Voting Trump

    Women furious about Trump’s win start ‘MATGA’ movement — which glorifies poisoning men: ‘They asked for it’
    https://nypost.com/2024/11/10/us-news/w … oning-men/

    1. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      It's a reaction to the movement started by this guy, who is serious by the way and a former dinner guest of dear leader.... Women are posting lots of reaction to the "your body my choice" movement . Yes, some  satirical. 

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFouUhFU/

      Here you go...

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFoHYpyT/

      You do realize that we have young boys harassing girls with this phrase

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFoHy795/

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFoH4MXy/

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFoHntY5/

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFo98b5Y/

  4. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 7 months ago

    Not sure where to put this, so I picked this forum.

    There is debate about what Kamala Harris should do next after her near miss with Trump. I didn't really think enough Americans would be so short-sighted and self-centered that they would elect a criminal and sexual predator president.  But, they did and they will have to live with the consequences.

    Harris has two choices to move forward.  Shoot for the 2026 governors election in California and then set her sights on the 2032 presidential election OR go straight to the 2028 presidential election.

    While I would have hoped America would have gotten over its misogyny and elected a female president in my lifetime, I fear that is not to be, unless I make it to 86.  My advice to her is gain the experience from being California's governor and then run for president.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/15/politics … index.html

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Kamala was a disaster as is the Demoncratic Party.   The Democratic Party is the laughing stock.  No one who is cognizant want the Democratic Party in power.   People are wary of the Democratic Party.  They want a STRONG law & order party i.e. the Republican Party.

  5. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 7 months ago

    I have to wonder what drives a person to make non-sensical comments like someone is a "disaster" (even thought they signed no bills into law). They must have a different definition of "disaster" than the rest of us do, maybe driven by partisan zealotry.

    Let's tick through the various "disasters" Harris and Biden were responsible for:

    ECONOMY:

    * An economy that is the envy of the world!

    * Stock market at record levels!

    * Anyone who wants a job can get a job.

    * Inflation below historic averages [b](and NO, Biden WAS NOT Responsible for the Pandemic inflation. If anything, Trump made it worse from his failed response to Covid)

    * The U.S. job market has been robust, with strong demand for labor and steady job creation across various sectors.

    * Continued rise in consumer spending in spite of the Pandemic-caused inflation

    * A large number of job openings coupled with rising wages shows strong labor demand, higher employee bargaining power, and improved living standards. Wage growth is currently outpacing inflation.

    That is a funny definition of "disaster" to me.

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Again, the pandemic caused no inflation.  Not even indirectly; a virus does not have that capability.

      But Biden DID have that capability, and his massive giveaway and spending programs WERE the direct, primary cause of the inflation we saw.  Not foreign countries (that followed in our footsteps), not Trump, and not the usual demons of our economy, the rich.  All it took was Biden and a congress of vote buying idiots that care not for the country.

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Did the pandemic cause the inflation
        ChatGPT said:
        ChatGPT

        The pandemic significantly contributed to inflation, but it wasn’t the sole cause. Inflation during and after the COVID-19 pandemic stemmed from a mix of pandemic-related disruptions and broader economic factors. Here's a breakdown of how the pandemic played a role and what other factors contributed:

        How the Pandemic Contributed to Inflation
        Supply Chain Disruptions

        Factory closures, port backlogs, and transportation delays led to shortages of goods worldwide.

        Semiconductor shortages affected industries such as automobiles and electronics, driving up prices.

        Shift in Consumer Spending

        During the pandemic, spending shifted from services (like travel and dining out) to goods (like home improvement and electronics).

        Once again, you ignore Trump's contribution. WHY?

        Did the Trump and Biden stimulus cause the inflation
        ChatGPT said:
        ChatGPT
        The stimulus packages implemented under Presidents Trump and Biden likely contributed to inflation, but they were one factor among many. Here's an analysis of their roles in driving inflation:

        Trump and Biden Stimulus Packages

        Both administrations enacted massive stimulus measures during the COVID-19 pandemic to stabilize the economy and support households and businesses. These measures included direct payments to individuals, expanded unemployment benefits, and loans/grants for businesses.

        Impact on Inflation

        Increased Demand

        Direct payments and other forms of stimulus put more disposable income into the hands of consumers.

        With limited opportunities for spending on services during lockdowns, many consumers purchased goods, which overwhelmed supply chains and raised prices.

        Pent-up demand after restrictions eased contributed further to price increases.

        Monetary Policy Overlap

        The Federal Reserve's near-zero interest rates and quantitative easing complemented these fiscal policies, injecting additional liquidity into the economy.

        The combination of fiscal and monetary stimulus amplified consumer and business spending.

        Magnitude of Stimulus

        Trump's CARES Act (March 2020) and additional relief measures during Trump's presidency totaled approximately $3.5 trillion.

        Biden's American Rescue Plan (March 2021) added another $1.9 trillion.

        Together, these measures accounted for unprecedented fiscal stimulus as a percentage of GDP.

        Other Factors Beyond Stimulus

        The stimulus wasn’t the sole driver of inflation. Other major factors included:

        Pandemic-Induced Supply Chain Disruptions

        Shortages of goods and materials drove up production costs and consumer prices.

        Pent-Up Demand Post-Pandemic

        Reopening economies led to increased spending, exacerbating supply/demand imbalances.

        Global Energy Prices

        Oil and natural gas prices surged due to geopolitical factors, including the Russia-Ukraine conflict, which added pressure to inflation worldwide.

        Economist Opinions

        Some economists argue that the American Rescue Plan was overly generous, overheating the economy at a time when recovery was already underway. This added to inflation pressures in 2021 and 2022.

        Others contend that the stimulus was necessary to prevent a deeper recession or prolonged deflationary pressures, especially early in the pandemic.

        Conclusion

        Yes, the stimulus measures contributed to inflation by increasing demand in the economy. However, they worked in conjunction with other factors, such as supply chain disruptions and global energy price shocks, to create the inflationary pressures seen in 2021-2023.

        WHAT THAT says, coupled with the very low contribution of 1 to 2 %, is that absent those "other factors", there probably would NOT have been any inflation.

        Which was more important in causing inflation?
        ChatGPT said:
        ChatGPT
        Between fiscal stimulus and supply-side disruptions (including supply chain issues and rising energy prices), the relative importance of these factors in causing inflation depends on timing and the type of inflation (demand-driven vs. supply-driven). However, economists generally identify the following patterns:

        Key Analysis
        1. Demand-Driven Inflation from Fiscal Stimulus
        Fiscal stimulus measures (BOTH TRUMP AND BIDEN) were most impactful early in the inflation cycle (2020-2021).

        The cash injections (via direct payments, expanded unemployment benefits, and business aid) significantly boosted demand in a period of constrained supply.

        Stimulus made it easier for households to spend more, particularly on durable goods, driving up prices for cars, appliances, and other products.
        According to estimates, [u]1–2 percentage points of U.S. inflation in 2021 may be attributed directly to fiscal stimulus.[/b] AND THIS WAS TEMPORARY!  THAT MEANS THE OTHER 7 to 8 percent WAS FROM THE EFFECTS OF THE PANDEMIC!

        2. Supply-Driven Inflation from Disruptions (7- 8% of the inflation)
        As the pandemic waned, supply chain issues and energy price shocks became more dominant.

        Factory shutdowns, port delays, and shortages of key materials, such as semiconductors, caused costs to rise globally.

        Oil and natural gas price increases (exacerbated by the Russia-Ukraine conflict in 2022) had a ripple effect, significantly increasing transportation, heating, and manufacturing costs.

        These factors contributed to "cost-push inflation", particularly affecting essentials like food and energy.

        3. Interaction of Both Factors

        Demand + Supply Pressures: The stimulus-fueled demand clashed with supply-side bottlenecks, amplifying the effect on prices.
        For example, consumers had more money to spend on cars, but auto manufacturers couldn't meet demand due to semiconductor shortages, sharply increasing car prices.

        Economist Consensus
        Initial Inflation (2020 TRUMP - 2021 BIDEN):

        Fiscal stimulus had a larger role in this phase, pushing inflation higher due to increased consumer spending.

        Persistent Inflation (2022 Onward):

        Supply chain disruptions and energy shocks became more important drivers, sustaining inflation even as stimulus impacts waned.
        Conclusion
        If choosing a "more important" factor:

        Early pandemic inflation: Fiscal stimulus was the bigger factor.

        Ongoing and prolonged inflation: Supply-side disruptions and energy prices were the dominant forces.

        Both forces worked together at different times to shape the current inflation landscape, but their relative importance shifted as the economy adjusted.

        Since you have provided no analysis to the contrary, just made unsupported claims, you have been debunked again.

        1. wilderness profile image77
          wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          It's pretty funny that you think a virus interrupted our supply chains.  What do you think it did?  Eat all the diesel fuel?

          Or did Biden shut down those supply chains?  Had Biden left them alone, without interfering, do you still think the virus would have shut them down?  Think it would (or could) have killed every driver/mover/producer in the chain?  Or did it take Biden to make them stay home?

          You can claim it was a virus closing factory doors, but there isn't a person in this country that does not recognize just who it was that closed them, and they know it was Biden.

          1. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Once you understand the ramifications of "cause and effect", you will have your answer.

            And, once you decide to provide evidence for such fabrications such as "Or did Biden shut down those supply chains?", people will start believing what you claim.

            What you just claimed reminds me of a problem I have as I grow older - time compression. For example, that is when something that happened a year ago seems like it happened last month.  You seem to have the same affliction. You claim that something which started with Trump's administration was actually caused by the current administration.

            So, just as info, the supply chain was broken in 2020 (effect) as a result of the reaction to the pandemic (cause).  When did Biden take over? Why in 2021, AFTER the damage had been done.

            Now, I am smart enough to know that 1) Trump didn't cause the pandemic and 2) Trump didn't cause inflation. But I am smart enough to know that Trump's actions and lack of actions and denial made it worse than it should have been.

            1. wilderness profile image77
              wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              "So, just as info, the supply chain was broken in 2020 (effect) as a result of the reaction to the pandemic (cause). "

              Thank you.  The reaction, by a third party (Biden), to the pandemic was the cause.  Not the pandemic itself; Biden's reaction to it.

              Which is exactly what I've been saying.

              1. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                By a third party (Trump).

                It seems everybody but you knows when it is said, something was "caused by the pandemic" that "ABSENT the pandemic, none of that would have occurred". It is simple grammar.

                Since you offer no proof to your claim, it must be wrong, just partisan.

                The same can be said of my rejoinder about Trump, there is no "proof" he "caused" it either. There is, however, proof available and already presented that Trump made it worse.

                What "caused" it was the worlds efforts to save lives. The mechanics, as has been explained before, are very simple to understand.

                1. wilderness profile image77
                  wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  That Biden decided to over react to the pandemic, that he was trying to save lives, that he thought giving away a couple trillion dollars would not cause inflation...

                  All of that does not change the fact that his actions were the primary cause of the inflation we saw.  Now, you can make excuses for his actions until Hell freezes over, but that won't change the facts either - Biden and his policies of giveaways, spending and reducing production cause the inflation we saw and are still suffering from today. 

                  But you are right in that the mechanics are very simple to understand.  Decrease supply while simultaneously increasing demand causes inflation.  And that is exactly what Biden did.

      2. gmwilliams profile image85
        gmwilliamsposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        +1000000000000

      3. DrMark1961 profile image99
        DrMark1961posted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Did you hear about this one? "US tax authorities have announced that special, $1,400 payments are going out to 1 million taxpayers who did not claim under the 2021 recovery rebate scheme, in what may be a final installment of pandemic-era stimulus checks."
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … checks-irs
        So as I understand it the outgoing admin are issuing more COVID benefits? I thought this was a joke when I heard it on Youtube so I had to read this Guardian article. Is this an inflation stimulus package?

  6. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 7 months ago

    Apparently, it is necessary to explain some basic, fundamental concepts. Let's start with "Cause and Effect"

    The simplest way I know of to describe/define this concept is to use Judge Judy's "but for" reasoning.

    For example, "But For" the covid pandemic (the Cause) then the round of inflation we experienced in 2021 and 2022 would not have happened (the Effect)

    On the other hand, this test does not work for the favorited bogyman of some here that "But For" Trump's and/or Biden's stimulus then there would not have been any inflation.  Why doesn't that hold water? Because we have had huge economic stimulus in the past without causing significant inflation, if any.  A worst, it MIGHT have caused a 1 to 2% temporary increase in inflation according to some economists. Others say it wouldn't have caused any inflation.

    What is always unsaid when pointing to the stimulus is what would have happened had they not been implemented would have been far worse than a minor bump in inflation. I don't understand why that component is so often ignored. (maybe it doesn't help make a point.)

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Let's start with the "But for" concept.  There is some truth here, but it hinges on the reaction of thinking, intelligent people to complete the event.  Example:  While driving down a crowded freeway, the driver sees a strange light in the sky.  He deduces it is aliens coming to probe him, speeds up to 120 MPH and crashes his car, killing 4 more people in a huge chain reaction.

      While you can say the light was the "But for" it is a false premise, for the accident was completely dependent on the over reaction of a bad driver.  "But for" his idiocy those people would be alive.

      Same for Biden.  "But for" Biden and his massive over reaction and stupid (stupid because we all know the economic results of his actions) actions we would not have had the inflation we did.  Probably a much smaller figure, perhaps none at all, but without Biden's stupidity it would never have seen the double digits that it did.

      There is another facet to that as well.  Biden gave away a Trillion dollars to "stimulate" a falling economy.  That is was falling because Biden had shut so much of it down seemed irrelevant; he though he could stimulate it even as he held his thumb on the "stop" button.  The purpose of such a stimulus is to stimulate production, but when you pay people more to stay home than to go to work and produce it isn't going to have that effect.  When you prohibit transportation of goods, it won't stimulate anything but greed and inflation.  When you close production lines and then encourage people to buy from that line it won't have the effect of "stimulating" anything at all.  And that is purely on Biden: his stupid efforts to stimulate an economy that was being intentionally slowed was, well, stupid.

      "Because we have had huge economic stimulus in the past without causing significant inflation, if any."

      Please - point to a past stimulus that topped 2 Trillion dollars in the span of a couple of years.  Then point to one that we carried out while at the same time forcibly cutting national production as we did.

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        And why was WORLDWIDE production cut? But For the Pandemic, it would not have been.

        Actually, I can point to one, sort of. Trump's 4 Trillion dollar stimulus in the face of both a national and worldwide production cut. While that did contribute in a small way to the 2021-2022 inflation spike, it did not cause one in 2020.

        I do have to ask, you aren't mistakenly assuming 100% of production cuts occurred under Biden do you.

        Also, imagine how bad inflation would have gotten if the stimuli had not been given.  You do understand that it was the worldwide lockdown of people to reduce the spread of Covid that was the PRIMARY reason for reduction in demand which then led to most of the reduction in production?

        1. wilderness profile image77
          wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          The world typically follows the US; I'm pretty sure you understand that we are a major driving force for economies worldwide (although that is changing under Biden's policies).

          No.  Trump started much of it...but it would not have caused what we lived through until Biden both extended it, grew it and then added more of his own.  (Trump did not have a 4T stimuli, though Biden did).

          "You do understand that it was the worldwide lockdown of people to reduce the spread of Covid that was the PRIMARY reason for reduction in demand which then led to most of the reduction in production?

          And once more you are saying exactly what I did: the reduction of production (resulting from the lockdown), coupled with massive increase in money available (demand) is the PRIMARY reason for inflation.

          Not sure why it is so hard to recognize what you are saying yourself.  You have fully agreed that what I said is absolutely true, yet insist that it is not.  You give excuses for that, but they don't hold any water and you know it; you even repeat that it was the response, not the virus, that caused the inflation.  Is it just because Trump is evil and Biden a god?  You can't stand the thought of Biden doing something stupid (like pardoning every death row inmate or doing the same for his son)?

          1. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Lol, twisting and turning with a losing argument. You say things, but provide no proof.

            Once again, BUT FOR the pandemic, there would have been no lockdown. BUT FOR the lockdown, there would have been no reduction in production.  BUT FOR the reduction there would have been no economic rebound. BUT FOR the economic rebound, there would have been no inflation.

            What prevents you from going to the starting point rather than starting somewhere in the middle of the chain?  Are you trying to claim, like Trump, there was no Pandemic? That seems to be the only way your logic works.

            1. wilderness profile image77
              wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              So...BUT FOR Biden locking down production there would have no decrease in production, and no inflationary pressures from that cause.  Still had some from all the "free" money given away though. 

              Sorry, inflation occurred long before the economic rebound.

              I asked before; if you're going to the "starting point", why not blame the monkeys or at least the country of China?  You want the start, find the start.  Heck, go back to the primordial soup if you really want the start!

              I prefer to choose the first action by an intelligence, and see if there was a viable alternative.  As there was, the cause is that intelligence.

              1. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                Again, you make false claims and provide no proof. Why is that?

                You know as well as I that it was Trump, if anybody, who shut down production, not your false claim that it as Biden.

                "Donald Trump did not explicitly propose a nationwide shutdown of production during the COVID-19 pandemic. FACT Early in the pandemic, his (Trump) administration issued federal guidelines that recommended temporary closures for some sectors, primarily to prevent the spread of the virus, but decisions on production shutdowns were largely left to state and local governments."

                When you are losing an argument, the Conservative defense is to get ridiculous.

                1. wilderness profile image77
                  wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  "Again, you make false claims and provide no proof. Why is that?"

                  Hmm.  As I quoted you that would make you a liar, right?  Are you sure that's what you want to say?

                  And did Trump actually SHUT DOWN businesses, or just recommend it?  Biden made it illegal to work - did Trump do the same?  Or are you telling the truth when you say that "decisions on production shutdowns were largely left to state and local governments.", not Trump or the feds?

                  Personally I find it ridiculous to blame a pandemic for inflation when it was due almost solely due to actions taken by Biden.  I even said so.  But you...you want to go to the beginning, then change your mind when it is pointed out just how foolish that sounds.  Then repeat it should be at the beginning, then claim that is ridiculous.  Now you again want it at the beginning, but a "beginning" in the middle of it all, a point defined by you to exonerate your hero Biden.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image84
                    My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    If you must believe your false narrative, so be it. The rest of us know the truth of the matter.

                    Which EO did Biden sign that made it illegal to work?

      2. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        But WHY did the driver overreact?  BUT FOR the light, he would not have reacted that way. Simple logic to get to point B (the accident) from point A (the light)

  7. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 7 months ago

    Another concept missed by some is the common use of the American language.

    I claim that "the pandemic" Caused the subsequent inflation. That is the standard way of phrasing such a relationship.

    Instead, the rejoinder was something like how can a virus cause inflation; the only Cause was Biden's stimulus to keep America out of a recession.

    Well, if one is able to follow a logical sequence of events then it is simple to understand the "But For" the Covid virus, there would not have been inflation.  It goes like this.

    1. It is undeniable that the Covid-19 virus was responsible for the Covid-19 pandemic
    2. It is undeniable that "But For" the Covid-19 pandemic, then there would have not been the 2021 - 2022 inflation spike.
    3. The rules of logic then apply when I claim "But For" the Covid-19 virus, the 2021 - 2022 inflation spike around the world, including America, would not have happened.

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      I am not at all convinced that #2 is correct.  Biden, like most liberals, simply loves to give away other people's money.  There is nothing that says he would not have done it pandemic or not.  The pandemic may have been only an excuse to Biden, an easy scapegoat for what he wanted to do.  He had to be in his glory days to find a way to give away multiple trillions of other peoples money, doubly so when he didn't have it to give and gave it anyway!  (Simply printing money is another way to cause inflation, don't you know?)

      #3  How far back will you carry that?  "But for" the Chinese lab there would be no inflation?  "But for" the monkey tribe (if that's what actually happened) there would be no inflation, so the monkeys are to blame?  "But for" China itself?  No.  The cause, the immediate cause is the only one that counts, and that is especially true when that cause is a thinking, reasoning (assumption, I know, for Biden) human being.

  8. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 7 months ago

    Finally, to the concept of what drives inflation.

    1. It is NOT always supply demand, although it most often is.

    2. One non-supply side mechanism is "Cost-Push". Simply put, that is when wage increases, what ever the reason for them, force suppliers to raise their prices which, in some cases, cause people to demand more in wages, which then causes suppliers to raise their prices again and a viscous circle begins.  That was not what the 2021-2022 inflation spike was.

    3. The other reason for inflation is that demand for a wide-range of items exceeds the supply of those items allowing suppliers to "artificially" raise their prices. I say "artificially" because if there is no increase in underlying costs associated with the Demand-Supply mismatch, then there is no economic reason to raise prices. That only leaves greed. (It is much more nuanced than that, but I hope you get the idea.)  Fundamentally, this is what drove the 2021-2022 spike in inflation.

    4. The reasons for the Demand-Supply mismatch during 2020 - 2022 are many. One small factor was the Trump stimulus followed by the much smaller Biden stimulus.  It provided money for people to survive and therefore increased demand.

    5. This would have been of no real consequence IF supply could have kept up with the increased demand. That leads to the real reason why we experienced inflation - the general, worldwide shut down of the supply chain. Because of that response, it was frankly impossible for supply to keep up with demand. Consequently, the inflation spike we say was a forgone conclusion. It was GOING to happen regardless of who was president.

    I hope that clears things up.

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      1.  True. It can be printing money (Germany, post WWII).  It can be reduced supply.  It can be your "cost push" as in unions demanding more wages.  It can be greed, as you point out...but then you go on to indicate that was the basic cause of the inflation.  Perhaps, "But for" Bidens free money that everyone liked so much - without that there would have been no greed.

      Oh, c'mon Eso!  Biden's giveaways/stimulus were smaller than Trumps?!?!  You know better; at best you are playing a word or time game to try and make such a foolish statement true.

      #5 But supply could not keep up, not with Biden holding it down.  When you close the factory, supply cannot keep up.  When you close the shipping ports, supply cannot keep up.   When you shut down the trucking, supply cannot keep up.  All of it coming back to Biden's actions!

      I hope that clears things up.

  9. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 7 months ago

    Another thing the short-sighted people who voted for Trump ignored:

    Seniors won’t pay more than $2,000 for drugs at the pharmacy starting in January

    THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS!!

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/31/politics … index.html

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Continually shifting costs from one person to another, another that will never benefit from the shift, is not always a good thing.  No matter how often it is presented as great and wonderful, it seldom is.

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Until you provide evidence, I can only conclude your comment is nothing more than partisan grousing.

        BTW, you ignored my request for the EO or law where Biden made it "illegal to work"? Obviously, you must have made that up out of whole cloth.

        1. wilderness profile image77
          wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          You have already gotten exactly the same data from me that you have provided for Trump shutting down the businesses.

  10. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Trump, the criminal and sexual predator, has sadly won. Why does he feel the need to keep on LYING?

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/02/media/tr … index.html

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      You must really be desperate.  Trump almost certainly picked his information up from FOX, which reported it was an immigrant.

      It would do you, and your "reporting" an enormous amount of good if you would run your comments through the brain before posting.

      1. IslandBites profile image69
        IslandBitesposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Trump almost certainly picked his information up from FOX, which reported it was an immigrant.

        Sure. Yet, he doubled down after he knew it was wrong. Like he does.

        So, yes. That's some good advice. To read too.

      2. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, he got it from Lying Fox News who uncharacteristically issued a retraction a couple of hours later. The problem with your unanalyzed comment is that Fox is a known fabricator of information and Trump should have checked it with a more honest source like CNN.

        Then, as IslandBites noted, he doubled down after Fake Fox News issued its retraction.

        I suggest you take your own advice to save you this sort of embarrassment.

        1. wilderness profile image77
          wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          And of course you know he heard the retraction, because your crystal ball told you so.

          Trump should absolutely take more care with his statements.  So should you.

          1. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Trump is soon to be the President and I have a right to expect more in his deportment in public beyond that or a uber driver or regular citizen.

            1. Readmikenow profile image83
              Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              I'm sure you had the same expectations of the outgoing president who was seriously cognitively declined and made the most bizarre statements.  He also fell down all the time as well as not being able to answer questions from the press.

              Did biden meet your presidential expectations in his public appearances?  He certainly did for comedians around the country.

              1. Credence2 profile image82
                Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                And you really believe that Trump is not cognitively impaired?  Pull the string on the puppet and who knows what he will say next? Biden may have had some cognitive issues, but he did not add ignorance and malevolence to this the impairment.

                I will trust a man committed to the American system of justice and rule of law although impaired over any tyrant even if he or she is sound of wind and limb. We are going to witness Trumps inevitable cognitive decline, as the second oldest elected President in American history, which is going to be closely observed and we Democrats will make note that you all have said the same about Biden during his term.

                1. My Esoteric profile image84
                  My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  By definition the mentally ill are cognitively impaired and and hundreds of mental health professionals say the visible, observable, evidence clearly shows Trump is mentally ill.

                  Mentally ill or not, being a criminal and a sexual offender are clearly qualifiers for being President of the United States from slightly less than half the voting population. How sad is that?

                  1. Credence2 profile image82
                    Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    I have to wonder because a generation ago, anyone with Trump's " rap sheet" would have been laughed out of politics....

              2. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                And once again you amplify false Russian propaganda about Biden.

                1. Readmikenow profile image83
                  Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  "false Russian propaganda about Biden"

                  Where do you come up with this stuff?

                  1. My Esoteric profile image84
                    My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    From the disinformation you put out.

                2. Ken Burgess profile image73
                  Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Wow....

                  That really tells it all...

                  Strange... Russian propaganda is strong enough to get Biden to stumble going stairs... Walk off stage mid-sentence... Etc

                  Who knew their technology was that advanced?

                  1. My Esoteric profile image84
                    My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    And there you go again being non-sequitur and hyperbolic.

            2. My Esoteric profile image84
              My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Why should you "expect" that knowing that he has proven time and time again he is incapable of deporting himself as a rational human being.

          2. IslandBites profile image69
            IslandBitesposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            He didnt need the retraction. It is all over the news, social media, etc. that the guy was born and raised in the US, and a veteran. He still doubled down, more than once. He even screamed "TRUMP WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!" LOL

            What a pathetic little man.

          3. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            So, are you claiming Trump only listens to some of what Fake Fox News says and not other things? ROFL. Give me a break.

            As I said, you should follow your own sage advice.

  11. Credence2 profile image82
    Credence2posted 6 months ago

    https://www.salon.com/2025/01/03/new-ye … formation/

    Regarding the NOLA attack...

    Never mind the fact that the article comes from Salon, a left leaning outlet. What about the Truth? Instead of Trump acknowledging the fact that he was wrong in his rant about "illegal immigrants" as the assailant was an American citizen, he acts like he always does like a petulant toddler who rather hide behind his fragile ego than to admit to an error.

    That is one the big negatives about Trump that I find abhorrent, that of a person who will never admit to making a mistake even in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence. I never cared for such people because I cannot trust him or her to be rational as a decision maker.

    This is not the kind person that  I would like to see running things, given the "keys to the city" and trusted to run it all?

    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      But that is what Trump voters love about the man. They totally approve of him acting like and being a fool totally as divorced from reality as they are.

  12. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    The two attacks on New Years are seeming more likely than not to be a coincidence.  One was by an American soldier-turned-domestic terrorist who wanted to hurt America. The other was an American soldier who apparently wanted to send a message of some sort but not cause terrorism (although he seems to have caused that result as well).

    Master Sergeant Livelsberger, a well-respected, decorated war veteran was, as it is turning out, suffering from PTSD and depression. Not that that is a reason for doing what he did but may explain things better.

    He was supposedly not politically active but was a great fan of Trump. And, according the following excerpt, did have "political grievances". What they were is unclear at the moment.  This is part of the writings that have been uncovered recently:

    "Livelsberger wrote of “political grievances,” armed conflicts elsewhere and domestic issues in the days leading up to his suicide, officials said Friday, citing two letters they saw they found on a cell phone in the truck. In one letter, the driver of the Cybertruck said the incident was intended not as a “terrorist attack” but rather “a wake-up call,” according to police. He wrote in the letter recovered by investigators that “Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence” and “fireworks and explosives” were best to get his point across."

    A wake-up call for what is the question that now must be answered. I won't hazard a guess  yet but the two clues he left us, which are confusing, is he used Elon Musk's Tesla and detonated out front of the Trump hotel in Las Vegas.

    As I said, he at least WAS a Trump supporter and presumably still was and elsewhere in the article, it seems he liked Tesla's. The only piece of deduction I can come up with at the moment is that he used the Tesla Cybertruck not because of a statement he wanted to make about Musk, but because its construction would limit the damage of his "wake-up call".  Beyond that, if it is even correct, we will have to wait.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/04/us/las-v … index.html

  13. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Not sure where to put this so since this is about a criminal and sexual abuser becoming President of the United States, I thought why not here.

    It seems that the human smugglers are looking forward to Trump becoming president because they can raise their prices for getting migrants across the border.

    This book explains many things, like human smuggling and human trafficking are two entirely different things that has a couple of aspects in common. Other things are, from the smuggler's perspective:

    * The border wall doesn't slow anything down, it just costs the migrants more money to get past it.

    * The smuggling industry has proven very resilient and will probably not go away so long as there is desperation and misery south of the border. There will always be a willing client trying to reach a better life.

    * Not said in the book but one thing that might interfere with that longevity are the cartels taking over the business with the increase in danger to the migrants. There might be a point where the desperation and misery at home is better than what the cartels have to offer.

    Anyway, it is worth the read.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/04/us/smugg … index.html

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      The feeling I get from your post is that it is a bad thing that smugglers can charge more or that it is more difficult to get through the border wall rather than a strand of barbed wire.

      Not sure I understand the reasoning though.  If it is more difficult, whether from a cost standpoint or from a physical one, doesn't that mean fewer people will be able to do it?  If costs double, won't that price out a great number of people?  If the border wall slows, to the point of being caught, border crossers, is that not a good thing, with fewer people making it in?

      Your link ends with a cry that it is becoming more difficult to cross Mexico, but if that is true it will reduce the illegal crossings into the states. 

      It all sounds good to me.

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        You do have an imagination, don't you?

  14. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Four years ago to the day, Donald Trump led a failed insurrection to overthrow the will of the people.

    Today, he will be certified the winner of the 2024 election, let this day rest in infamy.

    Today, you will see the rise of Putin in America.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/06/politics … index.html

    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      See what I mean? Does Trump have plans to invade Panama and Greenland? He won't say no.

      Pure Putin.

  15. Kathleen Cochran profile image70
    Kathleen Cochranposted 6 months ago

    Didn't think anything could be more shameful than January 6, 2020.

    I was wrong.

    January 6, 2025 is worse.

    You reap what you sow America. You reap what you sow.

    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      You are not wrong.

  16. Willowarbor profile image59
    Willowarborposted 6 months ago

    Trump is currently delivering a press conference from his home... Absolutely living in the past.  Railing about events of almost 10 years ago...so sick to death of hearing this sh*t.  "The radical left".  Blah blah blah

    So what happened to ending the war in Ukraine before he takes office? What about lowering grocery costs? All I'm hearing about is Jack Smith...he is blathering in an incoherent manner, from one subject to another completely unrelated.

    Talking about heat that "doesn't make you itch..."

    And an old favorite... No water coming out of the shower...

    Lying about the Panama canal rates...

    Says he talked to Wayne Gretzky about running for governor of Canada..

    Renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America...

    The windmill rant... They're killing the whales..

    Wow... Stuff we give a sh*t about?  It's a reprise of all of his garbage from his first term

    This man is sundowning .  Someone needs to cut his mic

    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      The man is Dangerously (and not just to America) mentally ill.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        I watched the whole press conference. His supporters must be aghast. His mental acuity has taken a huge dive! Not that he was the ever the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he is way off the rails. 

        The major takeaway is that all the promises Trump made to help the middle class were all lies...

        He doesn't want to lower grocery prices. He wants to start a war to take an island that is 80% covered in ice. Let that sink in folks...

        1. wilderness profile image77
          wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          LOL  As Biden most obviously lost his mental abilities you claimed he was fully alert and right.

          Now Trump does something you don't understand or like and he is fit only for a mental hospital. 

          The hypocrisy and lying is phenomenal.

          1. Willowarbor profile image59
            Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            You felt that it was a successful presser then?  You were in agreement with the points he made?

            1. wilderness profile image77
              wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              "Presser"  Not understanding.

              I have no idea what he meant or why he said things that sound so incredibly foolish.  But I would bet my home that it wasn't because he "way off the rails"; is mentally ill or incompetent suddenly.

              Go back 8+ years, when "noted psychiatrists" said he was mentally ill.  Quacks that violated every oath they have taken re: patient confidentiality.  And realize that they were 100% wrong and that he hasn't changed perceptibly since then.

              1. Willowarbor profile image59
                Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                You missed it? Here it is live from the living room...some highlights?  He's going to save the whales from windmills, save us from heating sources that make us itch, give us more water coming out of our showers, potentially invade Greenland and wrestle back control of the Panama canal, maybe make Canada a state by economic force and change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America... Along with decades of grievance upon grievance...just the highlights. 

                This man is an embarrassment. He is just full of hate.

                https://www.youtube.com/live/ztGQQ_mHDA … DRTUGk9pdQ

                1. My Esoteric profile image84
                  My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  And he has conned almost half of Americans into believing he is sane - just like Hitler conned most of Germany into thinking he was sane.

                2. wilderness profile image77
                  wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Can't say I blame him for being full of hate...for the people and system that have persecuted him for nearly a decade now. 

                  But that level of hate is nothing compared to those with TDS - we can see that just in these forums.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image84
                    My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    He brought it on himself. If he didn't want to be prosecuted he shouldn't have committed the crimes. (Or is it only Democrats who should pay for their crimes in your opinion?)

              2. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                He isn't mentally ill - SUDDENLY. He has been that way for a long time. Over those 8+ years, Trump bore out everything they wrote about.

                I ignore the rest since you never provide proof and only give us your unsupported opinion - not facts.

          2. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            What is "obvious" is that your partisanship totally colors what you post which leads to strange opinions like "Biden most obviously lost his mental abilities". That is true only in your own mind but not in reality. It is another one of your unsupported opinions, isn't it? You have nothing to offer to back it up.

            1. wilderness profile image77
              wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              I need not support Biden losing his cognitive abilities - it was very obvious to anyone not blinded by hatred and TDS.  I'm sorry you could not see it.

          3. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Military or Economic action against Greenland if they do not subject themselves to American threats of imperialism and colonialism.

            I understand perfectly well and just making such territorial threats makes Trump more than eligible for the "rubber room" from the standpoint of 21st century international relations. How are we any different from Putin or Xi? Conservatives irritate me to no end saying that when we engage in imperialism or colonialism, it can't be labeled as such. We don't do that because after all, we are America. While, it is no different from China or Russia

  17. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Trump camp was fed questions for Fox News town hall in advance from person inside network, new book says

    Who is surprised??? Not me. This is typical Fake Fox News and Trump, the criminal and sexual offender.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/08/media/tr … index.html

  18. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Biden says in USA Today interview that he has not yet made decision about issuing preemptive pardons

    Biden will be the First Score Trump, the criminal and sexual offender, will try to settle, don't you think?

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/08/politics … index.html

  19. Readmikenow profile image83
    Readmikenowposted 6 months ago

    This is from CBS News. 

    "Why would Trump want Greenland and the Panama Canal? Here's what's behind U.S. interest.

    President-elect Donald Trump, during a long news conference on Tuesday, spoke about his interest in securing U.S. control of Greenland and the Panama Canal, and said he would not rule out the use of military force.

    Below is a look at where the two places are and why Trump might want the U.S. to control them.

    Where is Greenland and why would Trump want to control it?
    Greenland is located to the northeast of Canada and is largely covered by the Greenland Ice Sheet. The largest island in the world, but home to only around 60,000 people, it is a semi-autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark, with its own elected government.

    Its location between the U.S., Russia and Europe makes it strategic for both economic and defense purposes — especially as melting sea ice has opened up new shipping routes through the Arctic.

    It is also the location of the northernmost U.S. military base.

    "We need Greenland for national security purposes," Trump said Tuesday. "I'm talking about protecting the free world. You look at — you don't even need binoculars — you look outside. You have China ships all over the place. You have Russian ships all over the place. We're not letting that happen. We're not letting it happen."

    The Northwest Passage, or Northern Sea route, was first crossed in the winter months by a Russian commercial vessel several years ago, and is a shorter route linking east Asia's major ports to Europe and the Atlantic Ocean. Western powers have already voiced concern about Russia and China using it to boost their presence in the North Atlantic. 

    "The Americans have a strong interest in overseeing the activities of foreign countries in Greenland because it's such a big security asset for foreign states, and due to that, any investment or activity, from the American point of view, may be seen as a security threat," Frank Sejersen, associate professor at the University of Copenhagen, told CBS News on Wednesday.

    What is the Panama Canal and why would Trump want it?
    About 40% of U.S. container shipping currently travels through the Panama Canal, according to the trade publication CargoNOW. The canal serves as a shortcut between the Pacific Ocean and the Caribbean Sea and, beyond that, the Atlantic Ocean.

    Trump said that the United States needs the Panama Canal for "economic security," falsely alleging that it is being "operated by China."

    "The Panama Canal is vital to our country. It's being operated by China. China! And we gave the Panama Canal to Panama. We didn't give it to China, and they've abused it. They've abused that gift. It should have never been made," Trump said.

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      How do you justify controlling "them" using military force and expect the rest of the world to not take notice?

    2. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Trump’s claim is false. The Panama Canal is operated by an agency of the Panamanian government, not by China.   Does he not understand the facts? Or is he just a liar?

      Does maga support  military force to take the canal and Greenland?

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Of course they do. They support anything Trump wants. They are brainwashed, after all.

    3. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Why doesn't he take over Europe for exactly the same reasons?

  20. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Trump wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. The President of Mexico just one-upped him by presenting a map showing America to be Mexican America. They were here first after all.

    https://www.cnn.com/trump-sheinbaum-gul … ldn-digvid

    1. wilderness profile image77
      wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      LOL  I love it!

    2. MizBejabbers profile image94
      MizBejabbersposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Your last two sentences say a lot about our history. My niece's husband is married to a man of Mexican heritage whose family own a large ranch near Santa Fe, NM. Their ancestors received this land From Santa Anna when it was owned by Mexico, and the family has owned it ever since. Someday I hope to sit down and talk with her father in law to see if I can write down their history and document their story, but so far I haven't made it back to NM to meet the rest of the family.

    3. Readmikenow profile image83
      Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      What are you talking about?  There was no such country as Mexico until 1821.

      Sorry, but a little glance at history will show you that the United States was here first.  We were a country long before Mexico.

      More American territory borders the Gulf of Mexico than Mexico.

      I think the Gulf of America is quite appropriate.  North America, South America now the Gulf of America.

      Makes sense.

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        I had a feeling you would need some education.

        When Mexico gained its independence in 1821, it extended from the Oregon Border, East past Idaho, the South to Colorado, and Texas and all territory South of that. It had been that way since 1786.

        In 1786, "America" consisted of the original 13 states.  By Mexico's independence, America consisted of only 22 states and existed mainly East of the Mississippi river.

        Next, the name Gulf of Mexico predates the popular use of "Americas" by a couple of centuries; Early 1500s for the Gulf and early 1700s for the "Americas".

        So, it really does seem and Trump have things backwards.

        1. wilderness profile image77
          wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          "By Mexico's independence, America consisted of only 22 states"

          And in 1821, when it declared independence, Mexico had 19 states.  Your point?

          1. Ken Burgess profile image73
            Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            His point, my dear fellow ...

            Is that you suffer from a lack of proper education and sophistication...

            This limits your ability to comprehend the depths with which Trump is a threat to Democracy...

            My interpretation, I could have misread his post.

            1. GA Anderson profile image85
              GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              It's always good to start the morning with a chuckle and that was a good one . . . my dear fellow.

              GA

              1. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Yep. I just assume Ken is poking fun and being ironic and will let it go at that.

                1. GA Anderson profile image85
                  GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Yep, irony was involved.

                  GA

            2. wilderness profile image77
              wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              You're probably right - I fit into the "deplorable" category and thus don't understand properly. lol

            3. Readmikenow profile image83
              Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Ken,

              You're funny.  My response was based on the statement "they were here first."  I established the United States was a country long before Mexico was a country.  So, the point was, NO, they were not here first.

              I have no idea what the number of states has to do with anything.

          2. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            The number is 24, not 22 and is immaterial in any case. Mexico was much lager and been around as a dominant nation, either under Spanish rule or its own, for a whole lot longer than America.

            Trump is simply being the arrogant idiot we all know him to be. He has brought back the insult "Ugly American" back into fashion.

    4. Readmikenow profile image83
      Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      "They were here first after all."

      What are you talking about?  Mexico didn't become a country until 1821.  Read a little history.  It was known as "New Spain" for hundreds of years.  The United States was a country long before Mexico became one.

      More land from the United States borders the Gulf of Mexico that Mexico.

      I think the Gulf of America is great.

      North America, South America and the Gulf of America.

      Makes sense.

  21. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    WHOOPIIIII Trump, the criminal and sexual offender is going to be officially held accountable for at least one of his many crimes. The Supreme Court cleared the way for Judge Merchan to formally sentence Trump in the Hush Money case.

    Granted, he will receive no jail time or other physical punishment (like a fine), he now goes on record as a felon!

    What a sorry state of America in that half of voting Americans don't care if they put a felon in office.

    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      I was a tad premature. The headline said the "Supreme Court" denied Trump his petition. Right court, wrong jurisdiction. It was the NY Supreme Court that saw through Trump's smoke screen.

      Now the U.S. Supreme Court has made the same obvious decision. Unfortunately, the two uber-Conservatives, Alito and Thomas, as well as two of Trump's appointees, bent their knees in fealty and said yea verily all-mighty Trump should be saved the embarrassment of facing justice.

      Fortunately, his other appointee, Barrett, was more rational as was Roberts who joined the three equally clear-eyed liberals in deciding that the U.S. Supreme Court had no business in state matters.

      https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/politics … index.html

    2. Ken Burgess profile image73
      Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Much more than half... especially when you discount the fraudulent results given by California.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        There is no evidence that the results of California's election were fraudulent.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image73
          Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          The evidence ... they made it illegal to even ask a voter for ID...

          CA should be banned from further participation in National elections they are a 'one party state'.  They have a Mail In Ballot system ripe with fraud... they allow non-citizens to vote.

          1. Willowarbor profile image59
            Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah and maybe they should just keep their contribution to the federal coffers to themselves?  They top states by total federal income tax paid in tax to the federal government.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image73
              Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              CA is a liability to the Federal Government

              Back in 2017 the California Legislative Analyst’s Office said by several measures California was, indeed, a donor state, but just barely. It received $0.99 in federal expenditures per dollar of taxes paid.

              2019 was the last year that CA provided more in taxation than it took back from the Federal Gov. according to a similar report.

              If trade with China collapses, CA will really become a liability then.  OR if incoming shipments are diverted through Mexico, the same will occur.

          2. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            That does not mean the elections there were fraudulent, Ken. You would have to say the same thing about Colorado, Oregon, etc. a whopper of a red herring this time, I would say.

            California has been a Democratic blue state for many election cycles. California is years ahead of Florida and any red state. I am only sorry that I did not take my brother's advice and return to Southern California, and leave bubba in Florida.

    3. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Future Trivia Question: Who Is The Only U.S. President to be a convicted Felon? 

      ANSWER: Donald J. Trump!

    4. Miebakagh57 profile image84
      Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Where are those who care then? 1/3 are brainwashed? Another 1/3 are sane? Some here as any typical American refued to vote.

      1. MizBejabbers profile image94
        MizBejabbersposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        "Where are those who care then?"

        Miebakagh, we who care are in the minority, therefore we don't matter. Of those who claim to care who didn't vote, they are just as guilty of electing him as those who voted for him.

        1. Miebakagh57 profile image84
          Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Miz, just before the 2024 November election, two guys here said they wouldn't vote. I told them to do justice to themselves. These guys are neither for Trump no Harris. Now, Trump, is coming back. God save and bless America!

          1. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            In the next four years with Trump as president, only God can save America.

            1. Miebakagh57 profile image84
              Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, God can, and will save America.                                         And yes, God needs ALL Americans cooperation, including mine in the question.

              1. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Why does God need our "cooperation"? Are you suggesting God isn't all powerful?

  22. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Trump wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. The President of Mexico just one-upped him by presenting a map showing America to be Mexican America. They were here first after all.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/07/world/vi … and-digvid

    1. Ken Burgess profile image73
      Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      I'm tired of the 'they were here first'... mantra... like the 'reparations' mantra...

      Might makes right in this world when it comes to Nation states and Power in general.

      If Trump renames the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America what is Mexico going to do about it?

      Nothing.

      Hopefully Trump stays true to the concept of using our military to destroy the Cartels and control the border.

      Instead of using our wealth and resources fighting wars across the world, its time to fight the fights that need fighting here in America and on our borders and stemming from our southern neighbor.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Do you really think that renaming a body of water is worth government time? Especially after you folks have been whining about inflation?   Is that just no longer important?

      2. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        I'm tired of the 'they were here first'... mantra... like the 'reparations' mantra...

        Might makes right in this world when it comes to Nation states and Power in general.

        If Trump renames the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America what is Mexico going to do about it?
        -----------
        So, will the real Ken stand up?
        Here, in these very statements you are caught with your britches down.

        "Might makes Right" has been the motto for every loathsome tyrant since the beginning of time.

        But rest assured that power on that basis will be passing and those that wield it I will have sleep with one eye open In their fears for maintaining it.

        Who cares about a Trump label, the rest of the world see it as the Gulf of Mexico. No one is going to give in to Trump's childish antics.

        1. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, but there is that immoral segment of any society who thinks "might makes right" is an appropriate behavior. They are the ones that slavishly follow the tyrants, which is what Trump is showing himself to be. who practice that immoral mode of operation.

          To those people, tyranny is cool and just.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image73
          Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Really?

          Do tell.

          Is that what our actions as a nation have been then?

          The unending push to spread... the plans to bring about absolute global domination... to take down Russia, which allows for the take-down of China, which allows for...

          Freedom for all humanity... or its enslavement?

          Free to say whatever you want to say... so long as that speech does not break the law... whatever the State decides it to be...

          Free to become whatever it is you want to be... so long as it is in a field chosen for you, by the state, based on meeting Equity and DEI requirements set by the State...

          And what do we risk in this effort for global domination?

          Nuclear war with the nation holding the largest and most capable nuclear arsenal on earth...

          A collapse of our own way of life, bringing about a 'depression' like nothing seen in our lifetimes...

          Has anyone considered what it means that everything we have today in America says 'Made In China' on it?

          Ah well... I'm sure the people pulling the strings to make these wars happen have our best interests in mind.

          1. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Nope, not for a long time. Trump is just bringing back American territorial imperialism.

            1. tsmog profile image76
              tsmogposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Or, we are seeing the prediction of a 'New World Order' will come to fruition. The boomerang effect.

              1. Willowarbor profile image59
                Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Yep, Trump, Putin  and Xi carving up the globe.  If Trump has territorial ambitions and won't rule out military force, then why shouldn't they?

                1. My Esoteric profile image84
                  My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  I would normally say that the American public would put a stop to Trump's attempts at imperialism, but I have lost faith in at least half the American public acting rationally.

                  1. Miebakagh57 profile image84
                    Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Whoso ever brainwashed them?

                2. Credence2 profile image82
                  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  That’s a good question, what do the conservatives have to say about that now?

                  1. Readmikenow profile image83
                    Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, lets respond by getting the facts.  The left seems to want to skip this part of a discussion.  Should anyone have done any research on the subject they would have found it is in response to a quote from an upcoming book and it is as follows ," and if he does anything illegal this time he will spend the rest of his life in prison — as will others who cheat in the 2024 Presidential Election."

                    Zuckerberg is now for free speech instead of cancelling speech like he did under Biden

                    "Zuckerberg made the major shift on Tuesday, announcing that his company will no longer partner with third-party fact-checkers and will relax moderation policies on topics like gender and immigration.

                    "We've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship," Zuckerberg said in a video posted on Facebook. "The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point toward once again prioritizing speech. So we are going to get back to our roots, focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression on our platforms."

              2. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                That could be true.

  23. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    I have to ask - now that Trump is an official convicted felon, I wonder if he is barred entry into any country.

    1. GA Anderson profile image85
      GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Yep, you got him. You can now officially call him a convicted felon. And soon, you can also call him Mr. President.

      GA

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Boy, see how far America has sunk that it would elect a criminal to be President where half the country is proud they did. Makes me think we are no better than Iran or Nicaragua or some other third world country that Trump keeps comparing us to.

        You noticed that Venezuela's Maduro has arrested his political opponent and rightful president. How is that different from what Trump has promised to do with his political opponents?  Is there a real difference between Maduro and Trump?

  24. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    This must be the greatest blow to the concept of the "Rule of Law".  Donald Trump, the criminal and sexual offender, and those that voted for him have proven it means nothing to him or them.

    This whole process has  led to another tragic outcome - the ruling by the Supreme Court that there is one person in the United States of America who is effectively above the law - the person holding the office of President. As the ruling is interpreted, there are extremely few things a President can do as President for which he can be criminally punished. That includes murder if they do it in a certain way.

    In reality, the President is officially a King of America who is accountable to no one.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/11/politics … index.html

  25. Kathleen Cochran profile image70
    Kathleen Cochranposted 6 months ago

    Two thirds. The 1/3 who voted for the Felon and the 1/3 who didn't vote at all. I've lost faith in them.

    1. Miebakagh57 profile image84
      Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      You now eating your lies? or something?

    2. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      OK, you convinced me.

    3. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      It is so sad that with the demise of America on the ballot, that many people didn't see the need to vote. I have no doubt they will whine to no end and complain why isn't somebody doing something about it when Trump turns the FBI on regular citizens like Hoover did in the 50s and 60s or gets us into an actual war with American troops on the ground or, the most likely, drive up inflation during a major recession.

      1. DrMark1961 profile image99
        DrMark1961posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        And yet when Biden weaponized the federal government against regular US citizens you were oddly silent. Do you only care about civil rights when it is your opposition doing the infringing.
        THe US government is finally admitting some of the things they did for Biden.
        "Through its oversight and investigations, the Select Subcommittee found numerous instances of the federal government being weaponized against the American people. For example, the Select Subcommittee: :

            Highlighted censorship by Big Tech that led to Mark Zuckerberg admitting Facebook was pressured by the Biden-Harris White House to censor Americans.
            Empowered whistleblowers to come forward and have their voices heard despite retaliation by the Department of Justice and the FBI.
            Protected the First Amendment, leading to the dissolution of the Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM) and other organizations that worked to censor Americans' speech.
            Revealed the weaponization of federal law enforcement against the American people, leading to important policy changes from the Department of Justice and IRS.
            Uncovered evidence that the Biden campaign coordinated with 51 former intelligence officials to interfere in the American electoral system weeks before the 2020 presidential election by signing the statement calling Hunter Biden's laptop disinformation."
        https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press … government
        This is a .gov website so you will not be able to claim it is a conservative publication.

        1. Willowarbor profile image59
          Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          LOL Trump threatened Zuck with jail and then publicly stated that he most likely changed his stance due to Trump's threats.   Zuck is a weenie who is just falling in line.

          1. DrMark1961 profile image99
            DrMark1961posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Maybe, It was the US government that claimed that Zukerberg was threatened by the White House, so if you disagree you can take it up with them.

        2. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          What weaponization??? Did he so-called "weaponization" go after his son?  Yes it did!

          All DOJ did was try to prosecute a criminal.  Isn't that their job??

          All NY did was prosecute a criminal. Were they not supposed to prosecute Conservative criminals?

          The rest of what you have is DEBUNKED conspiracy theories propagated by brainwashed MAGA politicians and others.

          What the MAGA did in the HOUSE was truly persecution of an innocent man.

          What the DOJ and NY did was hold a criminal accountable.

          Sheesh.

  26. Miebakagh57 profile image84
    Miebakagh57posted 6 months ago

    The world is watching.

  27. Readmikenow profile image83
    Readmikenowposted 6 months ago

    From National Review

    "Former NATO Commander Says Trump Annexing Greenland ‘Not a Crazy Idea’

    Former NATO supreme allied commander James Stavridis said Sunday he doesn’t think President-elect Donald Trump’s desire to acquire Greenland is “crazy.”

    “It’s not a crazy idea.… We could do an awful lot in terms of business, investment, box out the Russians, box out the Chinese, and work very closely with Greenland,” he said during an appearance on WABC 770 AM’s The Cats Roundtable.

    In fact, Stavridis said he thinks Greenland is actually a “strategic goldmine for the United States.”

    “It sits at the very top of the North Atlantic. It protects approaches to our own country … It’s geographically very important. It’s full of strategic minerals, rare earth, probably a lot of gold. It’s got a lot of natural resources,” he said.

    “It doesn’t have to become the 51st state, but it can certainly be an economic objective for us,” he added.

    “I think that’s how it plays out … The Prime Minister of Greenland said, ‘We are not for sale. But we are open for business.’ I think we ought to take him at his word,” he concluded.

    The interview comes after the incoming president repeatedly suggested he would like the U.S. to take control of Greenland. Trump did not rule out using military or economic force to take Greenland or the Panama Canal, which he has also talked about taking control of in recent days.

    Trump suggested the U.S. needs Greenland for “national security purposes.”

    Greenlandic premier Múte Egede said Friday he is prepared to enter negotiations with Trump about the territory’s future. Egede has said the territory would like to pursue independence from Denmark — but does not want to become part of the U.S.

    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      There is a big difference for laying out reasons to invade another country - just look at Putin and Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and supporting the idea to actually take away that nations sovereignty has Trump has proposed.

      Even though you seemed to imply it, I didn't see where you supplied the quote where the commander says he thinks Trump SHOULD invade Greenland.

      1. Readmikenow profile image83
        Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Nobody is claiming an invasion.  There is no massing of troops.

        You really shouldn't equate this to russia and Ukraine.  It is very, very different in many ways.

        I'm very close to Ukraine and I have a take on it most do not.

    2. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      What kind of message is Trump's  talk of expansionism  giving to Putin and Xi in terms of their own desires to invade sovereign borders?   Certainly seems that that  China's desire to move on Taiwan and  Russia to remain in Ukraine will be normalized.

    3. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Mike, saying the use is military force is on the table to acquire the island is inconsistent with "negotiating". Hitler talked about "negotiating" territorial issues over areas he wish to obtain using a variety of excuses. And, you know what, I am not giving Trump any. Talking around that point is not going to get you nor Trump's statement from off of the hook.  I don't care what Trump claims that he needs Greenland for, I need to be sure that the residents needs and desires are considered first and foremost.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image73
        Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Partisan politics aside for the moment...

        The global stage right now is set for a World War...

        We are definitely in a transitional stage, where much of the globe is rejecting the Dollar as the reserve and America's SWIFT...

        This was brought about by years, decades, of American aggression and toppling of nations... wars and sanctions and the final straw I believe for many nations was that we chose war and sanctions with Russia over sitting down and negotiating and respecting any of their positions.

        The world has seen that America deliberately pursued and continued conflict with Russia, sabotaging not just the Minsk Agreement but also the following negotiations that occurred just months after the conflict began.

        The world saw our Senators go to Ukraine and gloat about how it was money well spent to kill so many Russians... they saw a dementia patient that literally shit his pants on the world stage say he refuses to negotiate with Putin... but again, as bad as Biden has been, the seeds of this giant tree of a problem for America were planted decades ago, starting with the WMD lie and our toppling of Iraq.

        So in truth we are in a Cold war at the least... which is hot in Ukraine and the Middle East and Africa and threatens to become truly a World War.

        So yes, it is really advisable when in the midst of a war, to ensure you have access/control of strategic locations... and Greenland is very strategic for a variety of reasons stated in the attached articles within this thread.

        When you are in a war... where hundreds of thousands have already died... and hundreds of millions could still die... you don't worry about what 50 or 60 thousand people who live in Greenland want.

        That is the nature of war... its about resources and strategic locations...
        war is not about asking politely, is it?

        1. Willowarbor profile image59
          Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          If the stage is really set for World war don't you find the Trump is adding fuel to the fire with his aspirations of expansionism and not ruling out military force to do so?   I mean really, Putin and Xi have to be loving this.

          1. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            I just finished a part of Woodward's book where Biden averted a wider Middle East war, which could have led to Ken's WW III, because Netanyahu was dead set on starting it with a preemptive strike on Hezbollah shortly after the Oct 7 invasion by Hamas.

            I suspect Trump would have encouraged Netanyahu to go for it.

        2. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

          The hot winds of tyranny blows across the world shrouded in the clothing of polite diplomacy.

          This war of yours is just in your head manufactured by a strident Right, using it for an excuse for every unauthorized aggression from "Manifest Destiny" on ward.

          The LeFT, me included  will attack Trump and his administration on this where there will never be a consensus. My land and my sovereignty is mine, war or no war.

          We will bring the glaring eye of the television camera to the forefront to let the world know that America is no different than the tyrannical nations that we identify as the enemy. Is Western Europe watching?

          1. Ken Burgess profile image73
            Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Really?

            Come on man, its absurd to even type such a sentence, it flies in the face of the many conflicts we are 'supporting' as I type this.

            SMH

            Wars... "your side" fund, facilitate, propagate.



            Very True.

            The Biden Administration, your side, instigated and conflated the conflict with Russia, the conflict(s) in the Middle East, the toppling of Syria...

            While at the same time allowing China unlimited access to Mexico, allowed Open Borders, alienated allies like Saudi Arabia and the UAE...

            These wars impact the EU in a hugely negative way... no more cheap energy from Russia, millions of migrants fleeing from a war-torn Middle East, heading to the EU.

            1. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

              So, for this hallucination, you are OK with annexation of a sovereign entity militarily against their will? That is what Trump implies, you know?

              1. Ken Burgess profile image73
                Ken Burgessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                Sorry Cred, you have fully sunk to the depths of those seemingly incapable of rational reflection on the subjects being discussed...

                Its all Trumps fault, its all the very worst to be inferred by whatever Trump says... whatever the likes of MSNBC squawks about is gospel truth... there is no discussion or debate to be had, your mind is already made up.

                1. Credence2 profile image82
                  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  Your idea of rational versus mine is quite different.

                2. My Esoteric profile image84
                  My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  It is not ALL Trump's fault, but a good portion is.

                  Also, I, and a whole lot of others, based on their ratings, do not watch MSNBC. Do you Credence?

                  Also, for much the same reason, I don't watch any right-wing media because they are MSNBC on steroids. At least MSNBC doesn't make up facts when needed.

                  1. Credence2 profile image82
                    Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    Hey, ESO, I am usually going through several news outlets, Reuters, BBC, al jazerra, CNN. But I will do huff Post,Salon and Slate. I read rather than watch, so I do not follow MSNBC. I try to be judicious when using the "Post", Slate or Salon exclusively as evidence as it has a strong leftist leaning. But,  after the last couple years, so do I. Fox is just a bald face lie and I dismiss anything that comes from them without corroboration by a responsible journalistic source.

                    You can tell, Ken, yes, when it comes to Trump, my mind is made up. There is nothing to redeem this man in my eyes. Changing my mind will be the equivalent of the energy necessary to climb out from the earth's  gravity well, Trump needing to climb from the bottom of the toilet to the rim. It is possible, but most difficult.

              2. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                He has said he supports that very clearly.

            2. My Esoteric profile image84
              My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              That, of course, is just your opinion (which is in your head) and is not supported by any facts.

          2. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            You know they are!

            We are going to be so embarrassed as a nation after Trump is done with us.

        3. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Why do you think Putin's brand of dictatorship and aggression is a good thing. I assume that because you always make him out to be the good buy in international affairs.

      2. Readmikenow profile image83
        Readmikenowposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        'Hitler talked about "negotiating" territorial issues over areas he wish to obtain using a variety of excuses.'

        Really?  I don't think so.

        1. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Then read your history.

          1. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Ask him to check out negotiations between Von Ribbentrop and Neville Chamberlain over Hitler's territorial acquisitions during the Thirties.

            A refresher on the history in that era may well be helpful for him

  28. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 months ago

    Credence, Willowarbor and others on the Rational Left - Have you noticed the deafening silence that comes from the Mighty Righty whenever I lay out in truthful detail how similar Trump and Putin are and and their vision for governing?

    The only explanation I have is that they understand how alike the two are and are afraid to agree with it. Their silence is assent.

    1. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Absolutely.  They avoid the very uncomfortable questions.  It's become very clear that anything Trump says or proposes is absolutely okay with them.   Same goes for Musk.

      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        It looks like Hogsett is going to make it. Yet another known sexual abuser in our gov't in high places. Think of it, two of the Supreme Court Justices, one picked by Trump, the President-elect himself, his choices for the DoD and HHS, and another one is pedophile-adjacent, at least according to the lawsuit brought against her?

        I wish I had a spare couple of million dollars hanging around. I would spend it on paying the fine for Hegseth's accuser for breaking the NDA.

 
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