I know you’ll be wondering about this question. This is a very important question that has been running in the minds of many over the year some have gone to accurse the devil of cause we know that the devil is the enemy of mankind, but he’s not the greatest enemy of mankind so who is?.
Well when we see people doing the wrong thing we don't always feel helpless about changing their minds and getting them to be constructive rather than destructive. Not sure what we can do about the devil. Maybe pull his tail when he's not looking and run away? Not that practical.
I think he is; or at least devil is one of the greatest enemies of man:
[2:164] And your God is One God; there is no God but He, the Gracious, the Merciful. [2:165] Verily, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of night and day, and in the ships which sail in the sea with that which profits men, and in the water which Allah sends down from the sky and quickens therewith the earth after its death and scatters therein all kinds of beasts, and in the change of the winds, and the clouds pressed into service between the heaven and the earth — are indeed Signs for the people who understand. [2:166] And there are some among men who take for themselves objects of worship other than Allah, loving them as they should love Allah. But those who believe are stronger intheir love for Allah and if those who transgress could now see the time when they shall see the punishment, they would realize that all power belongs to Allah and that Allah is severe in punishing. [2:167] Aye, they would certainly realize if they could see the time when those who were followed shall disown their followers and shall see the punishment, and all their ties shall be cut asunder. [2:168] And those who followed shall say: ‘If we could only return, we would disown them as they have disowned us.’ Thus will Allah show them their works as anguish for them, and they shall not get out of the Fire. [2:169] O ye men! eat of what is lawful and good in the earth; and follow not the footsteps of Satan; surely, he is to you an open enemy. [2:170] He only enjoins upon you what is evil and what is foul, and that you say of Allah what you do not know. [2:171] And when it is said to them, ‘Follow that which Allah has sent down,’ they say: ‘Nay, we will follow that wherein we found our fathers.’ What! even if their fathers had no sense at all and no guidance? [2:172] And the case of those who disbelieve is like the case of one who shouts to that which hears nothing but a call and a cry. They are deaf, dumb, and blind — so they do not understand. [2:173] O ye who believe! eat of the good things We have provided for you, and render thanks to Allah, if it is He Whom you worship.
self...one's self is the greatest enemy of each human being...until humanity realizes their own "dweller" "not-self", sub and un-conscious self, and how it acts in life, there will always be an enemy within each of us, that works together with that of others to create the ills of the world...
Just wash your hands more often. No, you can fight viruses, but how can you fight something that erodes your soul and makes you hate other people and even kill them and yourself? What about wars and abuse, drugs and alcohol? No, a man is the greatest enemy, he destroys himself mercilessly and willfully, and who can stop him?
Actually, washing your hands more often may worsen the problem. The few germs that survive the soap will then reproduce and their genes will get passed on, creating a population of bacteria immune to a certain type of soap.
I would say these people are right, but would also put them together as: man's ignorance.
It is incumbent upon ourselves to learn from the past, and yet we repeat it over and over again. Rousseau argued that all was fine until we started "owning" the land. And I would have to agree. The greed that comes from this idea has created more problems than solutions. And remaining ignorant to new ideas and new ways of thinking is also something that has brought people to their feet. Minds are truly like parachutes, as the saying goes...they only function when open.
Aley Martin, I remember reading years ago that the plains Indians had no real understanding of owning the land. To them it was like saying you could own your own Mother or own the wind or the rain. It didn't make sense to them. You were part of the land and the land was part of you. You came from the land and someday you would be returned to the land's bosom. In the meantime you lived off the land and the land provided like a good parent.
Due to population pressures Europeans found they had to think in terms of owning the land.
The feudal system in the middle ages would not have been viable without this concept. It is now impossible to go back to an earlier and possibly better way of thinking and dealing with the land.
As population pressure throughout the world increases more and more societies will bend to owning rather than being part of the land. It is sad. The thing to remember now though is that Europeans are no longer expanding population-wise. Nor are Asians for that matter. There are however people around who are stupid and ignorant and who are continuing to damage the world with population increase. They anger me because they have failed to learn from other people's mistakes. Also unfortunately religion is at the heart of these continuing mistakes and that is a hard nut to crack at the best of times.
Ignorance,chaos,greed and many other negative connotations belong to the Devil or Satan; when we are not attuned to the positive then we get devolved; when we are positive and attuned to the evolution or the purpose of our creation set by the Creator- God Allah YHWH, only then we are admirable and we get progressed, we get peace and useful knowledge.
Up until the industrial revolution and medical advancements, global human populations remained relatively constant. At that point, it skyrocketed and our population continues to climb today.
You might think that's not a problem, but let's analyze what factors we do have. Few natural predators, death rates lowered, life span increased - all add up to our population increasing. The demand for food is now higher than ever, and it won't take long before it costs more than gasoline.
Keep in mind that research indicates that no species has ever survived such a drastic increase in population. Every species that passes its natural population limit ends up having a similar drastic decrease in population, often becoming extinct.
If the planet is not over populated, it's heading in that direction.
Sorry Cagsil but you are dead wrong. The planet IS overpopulated. If it isn't then how come much of the oceans and seas of our world are depleted of fish? Why are food prices rising? Why is housing becoming more expensive and the expense going way beyond the cost of building materials? Why is there crowding in what were once quiet suburbs? Check out world statistics on population growth. It is a horror story unfolding. The clincher is water. Here I am talking about fresh water. As populations increase the availability of fresh water seems to be shrinking. Deserts throughout the world are on the increase.
mrpopo is correct when it comes to population increases. Get your head out of the sand Cagsil.
What mrpopo has to say about natural predators and death rates also makes a great deal of sense. Good for you mrpopo.
This is not quite right I think - the issues of over population are a balance between numbers and the ability of the planet to sustain them. We are making such a rubbish job of managing the earth's resources that we are consuming them at an unsustainable rate for the population we have. There are two choices, decrease population or manage the resources better, as the world is currently run by aggressive obscenely greedy people the best choice would seem to be population control.
Yes I agree. We waste a lot of the resources we have, it's simply dreadful management.
I think though, that if you manage the resources better while still increasing the population, the quality of life will inevitably go down. Decreasing world populations, or at least keeping the world population stable will account for both problems.
You are right alternate poet. A number of nations nowadays see population decrease as the best viable answer. Yes we do waste a lot of resources and we can do better and will do better but I believe that at the very least no further increase in world population is mandatory to overall survival.
I see suburbs going high rise and turning into slums and that frightens me. The words to a Cat Stevens song comes back to me as playgrounds become smaller and smaller and in some cases just disappear. Where do the children play?
Yes mrpopo, at least keeping the world population stable will mean a better quality of life for all.
I respect your beliefs but don't share them. I'd rather not blame the devil for man's inability to be anything other than what he should be. Some people are (my opinion) horrible and vile simply because they make the choice to be so.
If ever I've committed an error of judgement or similar, I don't blame another - the fault is mine.
Why do you write I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim? I don't mind you're a Muslim. I don't judge, nor believe all people of a particular faith are the same. I have friends from different backgrounds, beliefs, sexual preference. They are my friends. I like who they are - not what they are.
@Cags - I rarely lose anything in my chaos And I have an innate ability to solve complex logic stuff - yet I'm anything but. I think I have a glitch. I don't even know how I do it. I just see the answer. No thinking ... more staring and it just appears.
We humans understand things from the symbols; it is easy for our undestanding otherwise those things are not real. Now we named a hurricane as "Katrina" while the hurrican never knew it was its name and it never needed a name; it is convenient for human being to name it one. The same way Devil or Satan is not a reality; all negative forces have been named as such for our convenience; to understand things easily.
Well, first off, between you and I, you are the only one here that seems to think that the world is over populated.
However, the lack of knowledge and understanding(wisdom) of life, effects and affects, every single person in the world. It's direct correlation is in the ignorance of those who refuse to accept the full responsibility that is required for them to live their life and choice ignorance is also hampering our collective ability to move forward, so as to address major problems.
Instead, of having one nation or several large nations trying to handle all the monetary problems across the world. Teach those who do not know any better and you can fix the problems that the world has.
I said that if the world is not overpopulated, it is heading in that direction. I myself can't judge if our populations are too high just by looking at numbers, but when I see the advancements that we've made in industry and technology, I can't help but think that we are moving too fast for our own good.
Unfortunately, I still don't see your point...
I agree that ignorance is hindering progress, I agree that universal learning is a must to solve these issues, but what does that have to do with the planet becoming overpopulated? Or more specifically, how does that support or disprove the notion of an overpopulated planet? Are you saying we don't have any control over the matter?
I think Cagsil is just pulling your chain, mrpopo. Surely he cannot be as ignorant as he is making himself out to be.
Sure, Rochelle Frank is right in that we can wait until the world is an inhabitable mess and only 1% of present world population will possibly still be kicking or kick up a stink now and try to DO something.
Besides if we are talking about 1% or even less then extinction might be just around the corner for humans and the 1% or less living on a devastated planet might turn out being better off extinct.
The worst enemy of man is The belief that we are separate from each other.
It never ceases to amaze me how a politician or a general can give an order which he knows will result in the deaths of innocent people, including women and children without flinching, then go home to his family, say he loves his wife and bounce his darling baby girl on his knee. He will protect his own family whilst happily destroying the families of others.
If and when the day ever comes when we have raised our consciousness enough to know that we are not separate but are all connected, and that when we harm another, we harm ourselves, then the current world problems will simply fall away.
We are all connected, all made of the same "stuff" and even quantum physics is starting to come to this conclusion now.
I think that at a certain time in our future people might lose the ability to reproduce and the problem of overpopulation will be "solved naturally". Just as animals in captivity. Our conditions, living conditions I mean, might deteriorate to that point.
A wolf with only venture into man's territory if he or she has no choice and will do so as part of a pack for protection. Wolves are family orientated and will fiercely protect their young. Wolves will only attack a human to either protect themselves or their young or because they are so hungry they have no choice. They need to eat and don't see starving to death as an option. As enemies wolves rate best in mythology and out and out fiction rather than in reality. Men who think they are wolves are far more dangerous than the real thing.
When it becomes two on one in one conversation, it is best to step back from it. The forum thread moves too fast to continue the discussion, if you were already over your head, it stands to reason to back off.
If you had more questions, as to "how" to gain "enlightenment", is to seek out the other sources available. Do not rely on one source for your information, otherwise you'll end completely bias and your beliefs will be too strong to break, even for yourself.
I'm not trying to insult you, because you're doing a fine job of it yourself, but when something is over your head, it is always best to come back to it and not force it.
Just a thought. Again, no offense, have a great day.
Nobody is over their head I think. The basic ideas are very simple, just that they do not fit into the world outside Cagsil very well. You have some really good ideas in among your stuff, you should not be so afraid of putting them out there for discussion. I deeply disagree with some of your ideas - yet I can often support your conclusions, but for different reasons.
alternate poet may have a number of points here Cagsil. No one has disputed what you have said about money. You on the other hand cannot see other people's points of view very well. mrpopo just makes more sense than you do.
I had a great day, a lazy day. Slept in. Subway for lunch. Didn't brush the hair til mid afternoon....ooops no haven't done it yet...maybe while cooking dinner...watched a few movies..had a siesta lol.
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