Israel attacks Gaza Flotilla

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   Mezoposted 14 years ago

   http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 … gaza-ships
   
   http://www.livestream.com/insaniyardim

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   lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

   Just what is going on here? How could they so blatantly do this, knowing the world would condemn it?
   It's almost as if they want to be destroyed...how much longer will their genocide be allowed to continue?
   And are we all a bunch of sadists or what?
   
   Yo no comprende.

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      Ultimate Hubberposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They are Israel. They need to be either Iraq or Afghanistan to a war to be declared on them. Killing innocent people and attacking flotilla is perfectly alright. You need to have INVISIBLE weapons of mass destruction to get attacked and be destroyed.The weapons of mass destruction that no one ever saw.

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         Pearldiverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         They are also the Best Allies that the US have in the Middle East and are required by agreement with USA to buy US weapons and the bulk of their consumer goods.
         
         There is absolutely No chance of the US reprimanding them as  result of rhe reciprocol agreements.  Let's be honest and Not Overlook such things

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   Paragliderposted 14 years ago

   It would appear that the flotilla was still in international waters when the lead boat was boarded by the Israeli commandos.
   
   Israel 'allows through' to Gaza only one quarter of the required aid per month. And of course the blockade means that Gaza is wholly dependent on aid. This flotilla was aiming to deliver the same amount.

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   ReuVeraposted 14 years ago

   Israel informed the Flotilla ships that their humanitarian aid will be delivered to Gaza through Ashdod Port after checking the boats for terrorists and other weapons. It is Israel's basic right to do so.
   
   Most ships cooperated and had no problems. The "Mavi Marmara" violently stabbed and beat soldiers with metal rods. http://ht.ly/1S70A [Video]
   
   This resulted in many injuries and deaths. Extremely unfortunate situation, but who is the real aggressor? Those people in the video are supposedly peace activists? Also note, numerous slingshots, marbles, and metal rods were found on that ship.
   
   another video- http://ht.ly/1S70A
   
   and just a fact-  Israel delivers over 1,500 TONS of REAL humanitarian aid to Gaza daily.

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   premierkjposted 14 years ago

   Israel has the right to deny access to its waters, and also has the right to protect itself from those feeding the terrorists.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And it seems it has also the right to kill innocent people. Great !
      
      I wonder  how would you feel if friends or someone close to you  were there  as peace activists.

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         premierkjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The nature of war means there will always be civilian casualties. Innocent people have been killed on both sides, the only difference is that Hamas aims to kill civilians, while Israel aims to kill the terrorists.
         
         Peace Activists who enter a war zone are the stupidest people in the world, particularly when they have no direct association with those at war.

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You should tell that to the parents and friends' victims.
            Do you say they're Stupids ?
            
            No comments.

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               barryrutherfordposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               The flotaliila was a legitamate well advertised protest and Israel knew
               that was the case.  I live in Australia and have known about the floatilla's protest from just the normal news channels for a week.
               
               
               Israel would have known that too.
               
               Israel's attack on the flotilla's was a complete massacre and should be seriously condemmed.  America should withdraw all future Arms supplies to Israel in the future...

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                  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  It's not going to happen. Israel is USA strongest ally  in middle east.

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                     Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Tantrum - allies who behave badly enough eventually become liabilities. Israel has pushed its luck too far. This one is not going away.

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                        tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I hope you're right. We will see.

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                  barryrutherfordposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Australian Award winning Journalist  Paul McGeogh was on the floatilla.
                  
                  He has been detained in an Israeli detention centre....

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                     tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     At least he's not dead .

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                        barryrutherfordposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        now that would have been news i can tell you !

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                           tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm always surprised how nowadays people take Death so lightly.
                           Nobody really cares and Life goes on and on and on....
                           
                           Everybody won't pay attention to these deaths in a month time, just as we forget everyday all the innocents killed in these F wars.

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                              Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Israel is playing with fire. Even in America their unquestioned support is fading away. Sooner or later, they have to join the international community.

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                                 Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Umm no they don't.
                                 
                                 But just for the sake of discussion,  who/what group do you think is gonna police that "international community" you mention?

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                  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  That is correct.  There is no excuse for this act by Israeli commandos.
                  1. International waters. By definition, their act was piracy.
                  2. Humanitarian mission (for example - there were on board two large generators destined to provide electrical power to two large hospitals)
                  3. Non-combatants - women and children, parliamentarians, were on the flotilla. This was a criminal act by the Israeli military, and has been recognised as such by everyone, except ???

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      livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It was 70 km from Israel's maritime border.

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      lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Who's going to protect Palestine from Israel?

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         barryrutherfordposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         If this was Iran doing it to Israel it would be World War 111 

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   Mezoposted 14 years ago

   This really makes no sense at all.

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   sjk6101983posted 14 years ago

   I don't know a lot about politics, but this whole thing just makes me really sad.  That's all I will say about that.  Who attacked who is my question.

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   lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

   Here's what Henry Makow thinks:
   
   "The murder of Gaza peace activists provides more evidence that the actual goal of Zionism is not to protect Jews from anti-Semitism but in fact, is to create anti-Semitism.
   
   The purpose is to make Jews a pariah unto the nations with no choice but to follow Zionist dictates.
   
   Zionists are stripping Israelis and Jews of moral legitimacy so they can be liquidated again without any compunction. And most Israelis and Jews are blithely assuming this self-destructive role without any reflection."
   
   hmmm, worth considering.

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      noamasorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you are such hypocrites!!! that ship had nothing to do with aid to gaza strip. if it did then they would agree to give the supply through ashdod port as was suggusted. it was a planned attack on israeli soldiers sponsored by hammas terrorist! and only on the marmara ship. on the others no one got scratched.
      but probably you're to stupid to see that because the yellow flags of hizballa blind your eyes...(probably thats why everyone on the ship had canes...)
      the soldiers were armed with paintball guns...after being hit and stabed and linched the had to shoot live rounds at the hammas terrorists.
      shame on you, open your eyes. or instead do what you know best...burn flags, scream f*ck america, bang your haeds, and explode on busses...we cannot expect more from you idi*ts!

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         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Coming from someone afraid to reveal their identity, your rant is less than worthless. Israel is our bully boy and the U.S. uses them to do things without being personally responsible for these atrocious acts. 
         
         Why else give them nukes and then bitch when one of nearby countries try to have the means to protect themselves against the Zionists?

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            noamasorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            oh right...
            
            i am the one that is wrong...i completely forgot that every time that i take an innocent cruise to help poor hungry people, i take long knives with me...that is for catching fish for lunch isn't it?.....
            the ship carried a group of terrorists, that came to kill israeli soldiers knowing that they will have to board the ship in order to stop it.
            next time i hope safer acts will be taken. meaning long range missiles!
            i didnt see you coming on those boats... why is that? come next time and you will meet the israeli hospitality for terrorists...its very warm!

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         Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         And you are borderline illiterate.

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   tantrumposted 14 years ago

   
   Did you take your medication ?

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    Another hubber in disguise ?
    
    all that trouble to sign again  only to post insults. Bravo !!

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    glendoncabaposted 14 years ago

    What is it about this time of the year?

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The nuts are just beginning to form on the trees this time of year!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    The 78 year old woman and her holocaust survivor friend who are going on the next boats don't think Israel did anything less than perform an act of terrorism. I agree.

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    Mezoposted 14 years ago

    Actually, i think nothing is going to happen....All the time the world fooled itself that "israel is attacking the terrorists and accidentally kill all those kids", "israel is just defending its security", although this time the whole world knows the truth, I don't think anything is going to change,,,Amercian vito my friends!

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       pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       i agree with mezo..

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          Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Don't be too sure. The present hardline regime in Israel is wholly out of control. Now they've made a serious enemy of Turkey who were previously their allies.
          And at least the present White House regime will not give unqualified support. Things are changing.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Israel will never stop these boats.
    
    The world has had enough of the crimes against humanity perpetrated by Israel in Gaza.
    
    Little children need food and medicine, not to mention schools to go to and books to read. These people are in jail in their own country, and are not even allowed visitors!

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    TMMasonposted 14 years ago

    Israel did what it had to do. Too bad if the world doesn't like it.

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    Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago

    This is another of Netanyahu's heavy-handed blunders which are increasingly isolating Israel in world opinion, and damaging the U.S. as well.

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    Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago

    Remember Rachel Corrie.
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7tDakdCDtU

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    TMMasonposted 14 years ago

    All they had to do was stop.. after they ran the blockade that is... and then peacably allow a search.
    
    They chose to fight, and Isreal won... too bad. Everyone I know is more than satisfied with Israel's response.

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       So it would be okay if U.S. ships were boarded in international waters and made to go elsewhere?

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          TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          If your a private boat owner going to break a military blackade to run it, yes.
          
          Now our Navy... if you think there is anyone in the world with might to stop and board one of our ships... lol
          
          I don't think anyone could board a US Navy ship in such a way.

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       net_crazyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I think you need to meet your psychologist mate!
       Who the hell says "they choose to fight" ???
       That was nothing more than a peace Flotilla carrying aid for Palestine... Israelis attacked and killed innocent people, that's too sad!
       
       I am from Pakistan and I was just shocked to hear this happening. Three Pakistani Journalists were also on-boar at that time. One of them is injured badly but thanks God, the other two a safe...
       
       Anyways, It was just terrible, i would say!

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          TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          They chose to fight... all they had to do was sit still and be searched. Or they could have went thru the proper port of entry and avoided this whole incident.
          
          They chose.

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             Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You were not there. You do not know. We are all hearing the same reports and making our judgements. But this much is not in doubt: the mission was humanitarian. The flotilla was in International waters. It was heading for Gaza, not Israel. The contents of the boats had been verified as humanitarian aid by the Turkish authorities (Israel's allies, until this atrocity). The Israeli action was unlawful and lethal.
             
             Now my opinion - that constitutes State terrorism.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    After the stolen Australian and British passport incidents and with Turkey now well offside, the world press I am hearing is seething over this event. Old ladies trying to feed children are hardly operatives!
    Who did the two journalists they have in detention shoot at?
    Israel's hard-liners have lost the plot, and certainly the propaganda war with these tactics.

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    Paragliderposted 14 years ago

    The only crumb of good news to come out of this offence against International law is as follows:
    
    "Meanwhile, Egypt opened its Rafah border crossing with the Gaza Strip letting Palestinians cross until further notice.
    Palestinian TV said that Mahmood Abbas, the president, phoned Hosni Mubarak, his Egyptian counter-part, to thank him for "responding to the massacre" by opening the post."
    
    With the Rafah border crossing open, Gaza will not have to rely on the tunnels under this border, in which many have died trying to bring essentials into the region.

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    tonymac04posted 14 years ago

    An offence against international law, against humanity and against common sense too!

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       myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       exactly! I just can't believe people are trying to justify and find excuses for such cruelty! Anyone who calls himself human that is...

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          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Agree ! Hi MOW !

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             myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             In disbelief reading this thread! It seems one has only to be a muslim to be labeled a 'terrorist'. If not, the most blatant cruelty is justified in the name of defense and security....!
             
             p.s. good to see you around T...!

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                tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Hi !

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       premierkjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       6 boats were boarded by the Israeli security effort. 5 of those were taken safely to a port in Israel and the activists were given more than they deserved when they were offered immediate extradition or suffer legal consequences. A bunch of hostile activists on the other boat decided to attack the Israeli soldiers, taking their guns and wounding them. By doing this the activists endangered their own lives and cowardly invited danger into the lives of peaceful protesters. The soldiers defended themselves bravely according to every rulebook ever written.
       
       Then, step up the world media, just as the activists hoped for to condemn Israel for defending its people and borders. Then step up the common man who knows little about it but naively sides with the underdog even if they are terrorists. Of course there are innocent people in Gaza who I feel sorry for, but perhaps they should stand up against the terrible regime that controls them and ultimately wishes to destroy Israel and kill civilians.

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          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          'should stand up against the terrible regime that controls them and ultimately wishes to destroy Israel and kill civilians.'
          
          Palestinian have power to destroy Israel ? Really ?
          
          then USA chose badly his ally. LOL

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             premierkjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I didn't say they can actually win their war, I just outlined their target, so I hope you're laughing at yourself.

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                tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Why sould I laugh at myself ?
                Imagine at what I'm laughing at !

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                   premierkjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Really I am not sure. Perhaps you would like to enlighten me as smiley faces  have no meaning in my dictionary, although I assume the lack of clarity is based on your inability to summon up an intelligent articulate argument against what I said in the first place.

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                      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      
                      Yeah ! that must be the case. I'm very stupid!
                      I don't understand people that can't see that killing  in international waters  is a crime that doesn't have ANY justification

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          livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          If Israel still has its brains and can think strategically, then why fall into an obvious trap then? There are countless ways this could have been handled, that didn't involve invading the ship in international waters via helicopter and shooting people who were attacking them with makeshift weapons.
          
          And your point about Hamas's commitment to destroy Israel is a valid one but utterly irrelevant to the matter of the boat killings. Now Hamas's hand is strengthened, and the world drifts towards putting it and Likud in the same boat.
          
          Israel faces its own doom when it can't bother to be better than its opponent.

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             premierkjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yes livelonger I agree with most of what you have said in theory. However when a country is at war and when their people are under threat, decisions are made without reference to what the media and the judgmental observers will think. This operation was not intended to be violent, otherwise many more would have been killed.
             
             Hamas are recognized by the US government, the European Union and Canada among others as a terrorist organization. I accept that not everyone in the Gaza Strip is a terrorist and I understand why certain peace protesters feel sympathy towards those innocent people. However I can't understand how these same people condemn Israel for every move it makes, when Israel is acting in self defence against the instigators. Most people's affiliations here are purely based on the fact that Hamas are the ultimate underdog.
             
             The way in which Israel is controlling the enemy has all sorts of human rights people in a twist. However, there is always underhand tactics used in warfare, like the British soldier who waited for the Nazi's to enter the water near Dunkirk before shooting them to ribbons when they were defenseless. Israel controls the water around the Gaza strip, so it uses this as an advantage to stop them getting supplies.

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                livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Israel has to be smarter. It has been in the past. The fact that it so willingly fell into a trap and displayed the sort of brutality that its enemies have long claimed it has been guilty of shows that it is not thinking strategically.
                
                The fact is there were numerous ways the flotilla could have been handled. The fact that it chose to demonstrate force almost immediately will be used against it to drive public opinion, and Western governments, away from it.
                
                Your points about Hamas are true, but they're totally immaterial to this matter, aren't they? When Israel compares its own behavior to Hamas, then it has already lost.

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                   premierkjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   "When Israel compares its own behavior to Hamas, then it has already lost".
                   
                   This is very true in the sense that I have compared Israel to Hamas when perhaps in this case it is unnecessary. It may not sound like it but I am actually quite open minded about the situation in the middle east. Both parties have committed atrocities when actions are considered in isolation.
                   
                   It concerns me though that in a war one country is obliged to play fair and the other can do whatever it likes. Why should we expect more of Israel than we do of Hamas? Is it purely to save America's reputation?
                   
                   The geographical logistics cannot be taken for granted here. It is a very unique situation and I think it is difficult for any other nation, especially America to force their opinion onto Israel with any sort of moral high ground as we cannot tell what others would do in Israel's situation.

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    TMMasonposted 14 years ago

    "but perhaps they should stand up against the terrible regime that controls them and ultimately wishes to destroy Israel and kill civilians."
    
    Yeah they should.
    
    But the world just watched as the Palistinian people elected terrorists to be thier Govt.
    
    So... we know where the people of Palistine stand.
    
    And I am sure every turkish Mujahadeen idiot in the failed ottoman empire is running to Egypt to gain entry, to stand up for the poor lil activists.
    
    Watch the jihadists that come out of the woodwork...

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       Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The Israelis are also terrorists, i.e., their ruthless, criminal attack on Gaza.

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          TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yes evil America and Isreal... don't worry, soon China will rule the world and bring peace and tolerance to all peoples.

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             luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Given time...they can simply buy it.
             
             Teri

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    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 14 years ago

    Before condemning Israel for attacking the ships, do no one have any doubt about the aim and purpose of sending the aid ships? Why did they not do it before? Only after seeing an aid ship for Srilankan Tamils were receiving aid throuhg ship, they try to copy it. The case of Srilankan Eelam and Palestine are entirely different. Tamils were completely isolated and could only be helped by sea. But it is mischievous to apply that to Palestine, which has borders with other Arab countries. The aid should have been sent through land routes, if they were really meant to help them.

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    Mezoposted 14 years ago

    The mission was declared and verified as humanitarian aid, going to GAZA (PALESTINE),civilians on board, international waters, white flags,,,yet Israel killed them..
    
    Now That IS very brave!
    
    premierkj: with all do respect to u and the story u told, this is the typical israeli way to distort facts and try to get people lost in details...It is so obvious this time,

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    TMMasonposted 14 years ago

    The Turkish group that funded and ran the boat the Mavi Marmara where the confrontation occurred is documented as having ties to terrorists, was named in federal court papers as playing a role in the failed millennium bomb plot and is named in a C.I.A. report in 1996 as having links to terrorist groups.
    
    The Foundation for Human Rights and Humanitarian Relief (IHH) is a Muslim charity and non-government organization (NGO) that was formed in 1992 with the goal of assisting Muslims in Bosnia. Since then it has branched out to many places including Lebanon, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia and the Palestinian territories.
    
    yup very peaceful and friendly. lolol

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    SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago

    i know, i know it is glenn beck...but listen closely to what he has to say and the facts he shows...
    
    
    
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4208639/alar … t_id=87937
    
    here is the video in a longer version and more discussion
    
    
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4208639/alar … t_id=86857

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    Mezoposted 14 years ago

    yeah yeah, i should beleive what the CIA has to say about them being terrorists just like i beleived that Iraq had mass destruction weapons...yeah just because it is an "Islamic" NGO they must be terrorists..
    
    remind me who killed who in the Flotilla massacre again? maybe i got things mixed up!

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       TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Turkey and France also said they had those ties.
       
       It is pretty much common knowledge they are tied to terrorism. It is posted in the other thread and you can googgle it.

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       watchyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Love the irony !

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    lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

    Colonel Anne Wright was on that flotilla..remember her? She resigned the military after the invasion of Iraq.
    
    Read the transcripts of Democracy Now from today 6/3...but you must wait til 11am eastern time.

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       TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes... Iam giddy with anticipation...

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    TMMasonposted 14 years ago

    It just keeps gettin better...
    
    The Sweetness & Light blog has an excellent piece entitled “US Taxpayers Support The ‘Gaza Flotilla.’” They illustrate how the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) is funding the flotilla by funneling donations through the socialist A.J. Muste Memorial Institute, an American 501c3 charitable tax exempt foundation. This is just another example of how too many charities and foundations have been turned into political money laundering operations, without any taxation during one of our worst economic times.
    Although the A.J. Muste site uses the tag “Supporting Nonviolence and Social Justice Since 1974,” perhaps they have a different definition of nonviolence than I do. On their donation page, while claiming to only support legal and educational causes, they include this “disclaimer”:
    
    Sponsored projects are generally organizations which do not have their own tax-exempt charitable status in the US. Some of these organizations are not directly eligible for tax-exempt status because they carry out or advocate activities which do not meet Internal Revenue Service (IRS) rules for charitable tax-deductions (i.e. tax resistance, draft resistance, civil disobedience, direct action).
    
    Also connected is the US Campaign to End Israeli Occupation, also a 501(c)(3) charitable organization. Yet following the link to their End the Occupation blog, you will see the logo for the Freedom Flotilla. Not all that surprising, considering that the ISM is part of their campaign, along with many other related groups. This does not show that they directly donate to the Flotilla, but they certainly support it and the actions taken. Again, this doesn’t seem consistent with their self-described mission of peace and education.
    
    And on it goes. Progressive foundations and charities carry on, attempting to destroy allies of this country, promote their global agenda and do it all without a cent of tax paid. Meanwhile, your local pastors are probably afraid to even mention the name of a politician without fear of having their tax exempt status revoked. We’ve got a big problem here.
    
    
    http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/03/ … flotillas/
    
    yes yes... fine young men and women helping the downtrodden and oppressed.
    
    lolol

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    TMMasonposted 14 years ago

    It took Obama 24 hours to do what everyone knew he'd do - condemn America's strongest and longest ally in the Middle East for its raid on the terrorist-linked Gaza Flotilla.
    
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did the dirty work for the Administration: "Hillary Clinton on Israeli attack:
    
    
    http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/ … str_25.php
    
    What a shock... Obama verifies what we already know... the left condemns Israel. Gee what a suprise... a muslim condemning ISrael...lolol that was unexpected.
    
    What a looooooser...

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