Shirley Sherrod Treated Shoddily
I'm sitting here watching the White House Briefing and watching Robert Gibbs tap dance and say nothing of consequence.
Meanwhile, Shirley Shirrod is on the split screen.
I still don't understand how someone at the level of the Agriculture Secretary could make such a knee-jerk reaction to something he read on a CONSERVATIVE BLOG. (e.g., consider the source).
Meanwhile, all he -- or Obama -- had to do was listen to the whole tape and see that this woman is NOT racist, but was talking about how she OVERCAME RACISM.
Is this all the research that goes into forcing a resignation?
I've watched her a lot over the last few days and she is a class act. I certainly wouldn't be so calm in the face of such blatant character annihilation.
This is really f-d up.
If it were up to me, Ms. Sherrod would be reinstated immediately and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack should be... sacked.You have got to be kidding, Overcame racism?
This woman got exactly what she deserved.
If this were a Republican administration you would be calling for the Presidents head.
Amazing simply amazing.Jim, I'll give you credit for not having the facts. Fox "News" should have it's broadcasting license suspended or at the very least assessed a big fine by the FTC. What they did was 100 times worse than the Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction for which CBS was fined $550,000 or something like that by the FTC. It was clear from the way the story was well rehearsed in advance by Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly in league with Andrew Breitbart who should get the electric chair.
Well Mr. Deeds (do they call you dirty for short?), spoken like a true progressive. Here's a fact. Fox didn't report anything until probably two hours after Obama canned her. How is any of this Fox' fault? And frankly, my kids are black and white, I don't have a racist bone in my body, and I think all this praise on Sherrod is misplaced. I question the intentions of the person who provided the clips to Breitbart in the first place. From someone in the NAACP. What exactly do you think their agenda was?
Roger Ailes worked with Lee "dirty deeds" Atwater.....
That's ALL you need to know about Fox News.Fox's innacurate report fanned the flames. If I'm not mistaken their initial report stated or implied that the incident occurred while Ms. Sherrod was employed by the Agriculture Department. Fox certainly didn't mention that the NAACP address and the incident she described occurred long before she came to work for the government. Fox works hand in glove with Breitbart and similarly unethical sources.
Why kidding?--the story she gave is the speech *was* about how she overcame racism. Did you listen to it in full?
I give him the benefit of the doubt. Obviously he has heard only only one side of the story as portrayed in the lies on Fox "News."
Again I have never watched fox news. I saw the clip on youtube.
And contrary to your belief that Democrats or Blacks can overcome racism I am here to tell you they cannot.So your attitude is based on the "fact" that all Democrats and all white people are racist? So it doesn't matter what she said she should be fired for being racist because she is black?
OOooooookay, then.I meant all "black people". I guess this is what we call 'reverse reverse racism'.
I came to read this article and feel like I fell into an abyss of Idiots. Let it go with your white guilt. My family came here from Germany. We didn't own slaves. I have no guilt. Idiots come in all colors. There is no such thing as reverse racism so I guess there is no such thing as reverse reverse racism. Racism is racism, pure and simple. As for Sherrod, the full video shows me that she may not be AS raciwst as she used to be, but indeed, she is. Pull your heads out man. I served this country to protect Idiots like you? Ugh.
No slaves in Germany. How many Jews were gassed?
Mr. President I hope you read this and finally get a good sense of who you are trying to appease. Please concern yourself with the matters of running this country. You are not going to win over all the people all the time.
Good insight elpaso!!
Watch Olbermann's Special Comment from last night. Spot On.Guys, most of the posts and replies I read on this Shirley Sherrod incident are in general disgusting and born of impractical or politically motivated positions by those that do not care for truth, honor or honesty. The right wing idiots tried to pull a fast one and manipulate something inappropriately that blew up in their face. The left wing nut jobs fanned the flames and in the process proving beyond any reasonable , honest doubt that pro black racism has grown and blossomed in the past 2 years to levels undreamed of previously. The "Mr. white self race hate profiteer reporter" Olbermann's Special Comment video on this issue noted above is disgusting. Citizens wake up! Both Fox news and the socialist left are BOTH manipulating you and your beliefs. Both sides ONLY care about money and power which you are giving them.
As for Sherrod being a victim with an assassinated reputation by July 24, 2010? Are you kidding - she already had talk show and book deals totaling well over $3 million. She was given an insane amount of personal press coverage CLEARLY due to a pro black race favoring media. She requested on one of her public TV interviews that Obama himself apologize to her. Obama obeyed her the very next day. There are questions regarding her past business relations which may or may not be relevant but are noteworthy. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrNWw7TGkjo .
Bottom line. Do any of you liberals believe for a second that if Shirley were white and speaking at a European American version of the NAACP ( if it existed) convention about her past and made exactly the same comments about not helping black farmers 20+ years ago, that the country, the media and the weak government we have would have responded in the same way? Do you think she could have ordered a personal apology from the president himself and received it within a day? That she if white would have even had the arrogance to order the president to make such an apology? The profit to Shirley for her 2+ day long ordeal and supposed character assassination is $3 million and rising. I do not blame her for taking it, but I do blame citizens out there for not understanding it.
And you'd be telling everyone to shut the h3ll up because "you have to respect the office." You folks respected Bush's office and helped run the country into the ground...with prejudice.
Amazing, simply amazing.
I agree. Before any action was taken the matter should have been investigated thoroughly including giving Ms. Sherrod an opportunity to tell her side of the story. Whoever called that shot owes her an apology, whether it was Vilsap or Obama or somebody in between. It sounds like Rahm Emmanuel to me.
She was appropriately sacked. Had she not allowed laughter, not smiled along with them, at the beginning of her racist story, she could have created a 'teaching moment', her racist repentance might have been believable -- but she did not.
And the laughter of the her audience clearly demonstrates present and common racism within the NAACP.If the right did not freely and creatively take statements out of context they'd have nothing. NOTHING!
They use this tactic so often that anyone with two brain cells to rub together should automatically look for the source of the statement before reading some screed about how "bad" the targeted person is.
what irritates me is the media taking someone's life like this and altering it in a matter of 24 hours. the WH did officially apologize. I wonder if her position will be reinstated or if she will be offered some other position.
her full unedited speech will be on cnn this afternoon.She got what she deserved? Are you serious, Jim?
Have you listened to the whole speech, not just the select edited part in the middle?
Have you seen the interviews with the white farmer she discusses in the speech?
Unless there is something else going on -- perhaps job performance issues (although these were not mentioned), how can you say she deserved to be fired on the spot, without benefit of due process or even a cursory investigation?Yes I'm serious.
You don't overcome racism, unless you are a Democrat apparently.
I heard her say "his WHITE lawyer"
I heard her say "his OWN KIND"
It amazes me that you can forgive racism so easily when its a democrat (Robert Byrd) or a Black person being exposed for the racist she is.
She should be rehired just so she can be fired again.Obviously you didn't hear the entire tape which was edited by Teatard Breitbart. And you haven't heard the comments from the people she referred to in the tape. They credited her with doing everything she possibly could to help them avoid losing their farm and they consider her a good friend and never detected a shred of prejudice on her part toward them. Her efforts on their behalf were successful. They didn't lose their farm. And the incident she spoke about occurred 18 years ago when she was working for a private charity. Fox "News" portrayed the story as if it occurred after she joined the Agriculture Department in the Obama administration. Hannity, Beck and O'Neil all owe her and the American people a big apology for their lying hatchet job on a wonderful woman.
"I heard her say "his WHITE lawyer"
"I heard her say "his OWN KIND"
Didn't David Duke apologize for being a racist?
Did you forgive him?Ms. Sherrod is not a racist. Are you aware that her father was murdered by the Klan? She admitted that she harbored some feelings of resentment at the time the white couple came to her for help. But she overcame them and gave them her best effort which succeeded in preventing the loss of their farm. The husband and wife expressed their gratitude for her help and denied that she was a racist. What more do you want.
I don't recall David Duke "apologizing for being a racist." If you have evidence of it I'll listen.Yes she is a racist.
I don't care who killed her father.
White people are killed by blacks everyday does that justify racism?
Sounds like you are already convinced that all black people are racist. So why don't you take your opinion, and your anger, and leave this forum.How about I don't.
Works for me.
Not all Black people are racist just this one is for sure.She seems a lot less racist than some people on this forum.
Maybe David Duke didn't apologize I thought I read somewhere that he did.
But it doesn't matter, you wouldn't forgive him as you are so obviously willing to forgive this racist.What makes you think you know what I would or wouldn't do?
Because it wouldn't be the democrat way.
And you are nothing if not consistently democrat.
Democrats easily forgive racist democrats, it seems to be a universal failing among democrats.
But you are all so anxious to condemn the real racists, you know, conservatives.You are prejudiced against Democrats and blacks. How about gays and hispanics and Asian-Americans?
Ok Dirty Deeds. Gloves off! Where are you getting your info. Beck was off air by the time this hit the air. AND THE NEXT DAY BECK TOOK HER SIDE. You people just say anything. Dirty Deeds, you will be added to my Idiot list on my hubpages. Check it out sometime. I think you are exactly the Idiot I have been talking about.
And O'Reilly apologised for jumping on the story with an innacurate report and without checking it out. I'm not aware that Hannity has apologised. You may be correct about Beck. However, he is a veritable fountain of misinformation, lies, false accusations and general mischief.
She was characterising the time when she was racist--listen to the whole speech and to the interview with the farmer she is telling the anecdoate about.
What is so disturbing is the rash decision to act with zero fact-checking. How difficult would it have been to obtain and listen to the full speech?
Surely we all *expect* biased media sources to selectively edit to make a point. They don't even care if the point is right, the goal is to take it out of context, spin it, place it, and sit back and the fireworks. It's done routinely (remember the Swift Boats that sunk John Kerry's campaign)?Had this been a republican then the facts would be of no interest to you.
You do not quit being a racist, even if you are a democrat.
Ah.You saw the CLIP on YouTube. Is YouTube where you get all of your news?
CNN is about to air the full 45-minute speech. They have already aired clips that bookend the portion of her speech that's inflammatory. Those clips provide the set-up: Her father was murdered by a white man. Then she talks about her experience with that white farmer and pointing him to a white lawyer (one of his own kind). THEN the speech goes on to say how she came to understand it's not about skin color. Black farmers,white farmers-- all the same if they are struggling financially.
I'm not holding her up as a saint. Just someone who is the victim of a malicious viral campaign that spread through YouTube and embraced by people like you, who accept everything you see there as gospel truth.You seem to be saying her words were not hers.
Your attempt to explain away racism is a grand gesture in futility.
She was a racist, she is a racist and so was Robert Byrd till the day he died.She appears somewhat arrogant but capable to take advantage of a great opportunity for fame and money. To date, she will make over $3 million and already has publically asked for and immediately received a presidential apology. The government and media incompetence in managing this situation is and was beyond pathetic. Both Fox news and the socialist left are BOTH manipulating you and your beliefs and do not care about truth for itself . Both sides ONLY care about money and power which you are giving them.
The left wing media including Olbermann are pro black racists. No question or debate required as being pro black is still considered politically correct. I see anti white Americana discrimination every year at companies like BP because that is in general OK behavior. None of those folks will make talk show or book deal millions or get presidential apologies or media coverage.
Here is her speech. I chose the one posted by the NAACP because that is the organization she was addressing.
Yes, the section of her speech that's been taken out of context would be pretty damning. But she clearly has a shift of conscience and pulls out all the stops to help this white farmer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXkSo, um, you listened to it and saw she was not racist? Yes?
Yes, and she did it well.
And she got a job in Obama's administration.
And then muckrakers took it upon themselves to smear her by taking her words out of context.
She talks in her speech about POOR PEOPLE.
I think she means the poor STUPID people who don't even know when they're being hoodwinked by Fox News.Right, people you disagree with are stupid.
I disagree with racism and you seem to be very tolerant of it.
Unless its a republican and then they should be shot.
Consistency is a problem for liberals.I see the progressive brainwashing worked on many of you in here. Mighty Mom, I wouldn't let you watch my kids from across the street. When you are giving your income to others who "have not", you have only yourselves to blame. I work very hard for my money to give it up for the likes of you.
Errrr, didn't you say you "served this country"?
I think Mighty Mom PAYS your salary!
Some people have no clue what is is to be a human being.
I just love these people...god I love them!
Haven't got a clue.
So, move on and pretend they dont' exist....which is what I'm doing.
Someone suggested she sue Fixed CIA (imo) News for defamation of character. I agree!
Also heard she won a lawsuit against the FDA and maybe they wanted to get back at her.
She should just screw them all. Who would go back after being treated like that?
Also heard some weird talk about private property law....her image is her private property??? something weird.
But she should definately sue Faux!! It's really about time somebody did.
They have been getting away with destroying black people since President Obama was elected.
Not about race, huh? Yeah, and I'm Saint Theresa!!!
Fixed new theme song courtesy of Chris:
"Oh a huntin we will go, a huntin we will go, high ho the merry-o a huntin we will go"For anyone who cares, CNN is airing the full tape RIGHT NOW.
Frankly, given the conditions Ms. Sherrod grew up in, she had every right to be racist.
However, she overcame the segregation and the racist acts of the time and has continued to grow as a woman and a professional.
LISTEN TO THE TAPE.
If you don't believe CNN, I did provide a link on YouTube (the fount of "real" news)."she had every right to be racist."
And she exercised that right.CNN is probably airing that tape as the lesser of two evils, as they wouldn't want to air Bernanke's questioning before Congress on the current state of the economy of the USA, might destroy the Biden illusion of a recovering economy.
When did you start caring about the economy??
January of 08??When did you STOP caring about the economy? June 2008?
The economy and the market started clearly declining in step with Obama's winning the Democratic nomination.....but as the inference is you have long cared about the economy, I'm sure you probably already knew that, and have examined many charts and noted the common beginning of the decline leading to October.
If you're really interested I'm sure Bernanke is on C-Span.
Jim,
Do not put words into my mouth.
I never, ever suggested I support or am tolerant of racism.
Not sure where you got that idea.
Unless they are a Republican and then they should be shot.
Shot? I don't recall saying anything about "shot." I think I would remember, as I tend to be quite anti-firearms.
As for people who don't agree with me being stupid.
Anyone who is offered -- repeatedly -- an opportunity to check the FACTS but refuses to do so is stupid.
But go ahead, put your fingers in your ears while you continue to spout your inaccuracies.It's something we should think about...anyone who talks about poor people coming together gets shot.
Martin Luther King
Robert Kennedy
Malcolm X
John Kennedy (to some extant)
So, seems to me, she showed her compassion and caring towards white people, even though her father was shot for being black. And the black people in the audience knew exaxctly what this white farmer was going through!!! That's one way to come together you know....like Dr. King was heading: A Poor People's Campaign!
Shirley Sherrod is a big person.
Makes you almost feel sorry for the small tiny minds at Fixed Propaganda.
One of these days, like Maude used to say, "God will get you for that."Actually, Ms. Sherrod shows herself to be a very good speaker. She wins over her audience by talking about a subject that everyone in the audience can relate to.
Now the NAACP is doing an about face.
So the White House has apologized and the NAACP admits they were wrong.
But Fox has accomplished its goal. The damage has been done and can't be undone.
Should we take bets as to who they're going after next?Al Sharpton.
He has the audacity to counter their tea-bagger MLK march with one of his own.
Or anyone with dark skin really will do, imo.
Frankly, this rates higher on "my" newsworthiness scale than Lindsay Lohan going to jail (covered to DEATH yesterday) or Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston putting their wedding off.
Sorry Fox Fans,
Even O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck are backing away from the story. They are telling Breitbart he went too far.
Wow!
Are you ready to say Uncle yet?I'm not ready to say uncle.
She was a racist then and she is today.
Just like every racist who has come before her.
You do not change your racist ways.Speak for yourself. Your're quick to judge others without getting the facts. Try looking in a mirror. I'm sure you have a sense of fairness buried somewhere.
I'm sorry if I am not as tolerant of racism as you are.
I am not even tolerant of conservative racists.
You see I am consistent when it comes to not liking racists.
Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case for everybody.
Blacks have a lot of very good reasons for harboring feelings about whites--slavery, the reconstruction, lynchings, school segregation, housing discrimination, job discrimination, discrimination by law enforcement and the courts, etc. "Racism" is not the right word for these quite natural feelings. Ms. Sherrod, whose father was murdered by the Klan, admitted she harbored some feelings she isn't proud of toward her white clients. But she overcame them and helped the couple avoid losing their farm and became their friend. Good God! What more could you ask? And you call her a racist 18 years later. You are the one who is a petty little racist, in my opinion.
Of course I am.
Why wouldn't I be.
I'm white and I disagreed with a democrat.
Yes, consistently democrat, amazing.I am a lifelong Democrat and proud of it. But I don't condemn all Republicans with stupid blanket statements. I take them one at a time. At present there are at least two good Republicans in the U.S. Senate. And Michigan once had a very good Republican governor--William Milliken who should have been elected president instead of Reagan or Bush I.
I am a lifelong conservative and do not hold a loyalty to one party.
I have been around this forum long enough to know that you condemn anyone who has a different opinion than you. I have been around long enough to know when backed into a corner a democrat will scream racism everytime.
Its easier than actually thinking.
re: Deeds to Hunter Above
I agree with almost every single thing you say. But, she shouldn't have delivered her speech in the tone she did, it certainly wasn't necessary for her to bond with her audience, and she shouldn't have tolerated the audience reaction to that beginning of her story, she should have checked it, not smiled with it -- that would have been the appropriate response for someone trying to convey a real change in attitude, someone trying to inspire, to teach, others racial tolerance, which is what the speech was essentially about - and she failed at that, up front. That's my personal impression.When you consider her whole speech it amounted to a sermon advocating tolerance of all races.
I understand that she would feel bad towards whites because her father was killed by a white person. However, she did treat a white person differently and in her role as a government representative, she should not have. That the farmers and Shirley later came to be friends because the farmers had a punk lawyer really has nothing to do with it.
Get your facts straight! You have been victimized by Fox "News."
She was working for a private charity in Alabama? when she encountered the white couple she spoke about in her address to the NAACP BEFORE she came to work in the Agriculture department. You have missed the point of her story which was racial prejudice is wrong and everyone should be treated the same without regard to their race.And she came to that point after treating a white farmer differently than she would have a black farmer.
But she isn't racist, oh no, she grew as a person.
Just like Robert Byrd did.
Amazing.Why don't you try getting your facts straight for a change? She didn't treat the white farmer differently than she would have treated a black farmer. She was big enough, eighteen years later, to admit that she had harbored feelings toward her first white client that she's not proud of. She overcame these feelings and gave her best effort to successfully helping him avoid losing his farm.
She treated him differently.
You just can't bring yourself to admit it.
She admitted it and should have been fired.What was different in the way she treated the white farmer?
She should be fired for something that occurred 18 years before when she was working for a private charity helping poor people who were facing bankruptcy? You have no decency!If decency is being tolerant of racism then I have no decency.
But thankfully it is not.How do you feel about the scurrillously racist signs at Tea Party meetings? If you have condemned them I missed it.
The people holding the signs are racists.
Were you not able to make that leap of logic on your own?But you wouldn't dare ask them to stop or disassociate themselves with the movement, right?
I do not censor.
That is predominantly a liberal thing.
I can make my mind up about things without reading a placard at a political rally.
Can you?Predominantly a liberal thing? Gimme a break. Breitbart and Hannity and Beck managed to get a good woman fired over a sermon on tolerance she gave about an incident that occurred 18 years ago which reflected favorably on herself.
Yes a liberal thing.
Would you prefer I said a Socialist thing?
Same thing in my opinion.You continue to reveal your ignorance of the topics in this forum.
She was fired before it ever hit the news, clearly the WH keeps up with this Breitbart site. Not the NAACP nor the WH was snookered by any news organization.
And were it not for the NAACP making racism charges against the Tea Party, which are unfounded, none of this would have happened. Apparently, it was posted to illustrate that racism is very alive within the NAACP organization, and it clearly accomplished that goal via the audience's reaction to Sherrod's early words, regardless of the focus of racial tolerance in the rest of her 'sermon'."She was fired before it ever hit the news, clearly the WH keeps up with this Breitbart site. Not the NAACP nor the WH was snookered by any news organization."
If that's true, they were snookered by Breitbart. Shame on them. It would be interesting to know who pulled the trigger on poor Shirley Sherrod. Here's the latest on the White House apology and the Agriculture Dept's offer of a job to Sherrod.
The White House formally apologized on Wednesday to a black civil servant who was fired for making racially tinged remarks that were taken out of context, just hours after top aides to President Obama pressed Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack to reconsider his decision to dismiss her.
The apology capped what had been a humiliating and fast-paced turn of events for the White House, the national media and the N.A.A.C.P., all of whom, Mr. Gibbs said, overreacted to a video that appeared to show Ms. Sherrod saying that she had discriminated against a white farmer. The remarks were taken out of context from a longer speech in which she said she learned to overcome her own biases.
Later, Mr. Vilsack held his own news briefing to say that he had called Ms. Sherrod to apologize and had offered her a new position with the agency.
"She was extraordinarily gracious," he said.
More FACTS here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/22/us/po … od.html?hpWell, good for her, she seems like a nice lady, and the public sentiment must have swayed enough for the White House to step back and step up, although I think the first decision was the right one. There would be no stepping back if she were a white federal employee speaking at a Tea Party convention and the roles reversed. And I can't imagine that anyone except the White House pulled the trigger, this was clearly rapidly elevated.
So you are saying that they intentionally slandered her because the NAACP said there is racism in the Tea Party? But if the NAACP took back their statement then it wouldn't have happened?
So you are saying it is better to fabricate a lie and get an innocent, kind and decent person fired because the Tea Party organization harbors racism on the grounds of 1st amendment rights?You sure have put a lot of words in my mouth. It is clear they intentionally broadcast evidence of racism within the NAACP, as witnessed by the laughter and acceptance of Sherrod's opening words to her 'sermon', and Breitbart clearly stated on the news that the video was released in response to their baseless 'slander' of the Tea Party group. Is that clear?
And perhaps you should ask a Tea Partier "if the NAACP took back their statement" what would occur.
And I'm not aware of any lies fabricated, videos are pretty straightforward, and I can make no sense of this statement of yours:
"because the Tea Party organization harbors racism on the grounds of 1st amendment rights?"Sure lady, you are just ignorant. There is racism in the movement and the acts were intentional. And it is wrong to fab...edit a video out of context to reflect the sentiments of the TP.
Plain and simple. The whole thing was debunked, she was asked to take her job back. She was given a public apology by everyone involved and you might also want to reflect a little bit on how the situation was handles, with full accountability, with civil manor and respect.
Mrs. Sherrard also was very kind in accepting the apology as well. No hard feelings but one thing still remains. People like yourself who still want to say bad things about her and the NAACP and the Obama administration.
So it doesn't seem as though they care much because in the eyes of the constituents who listen to Fox and all their shenanigan, everyone else is bad and racist but not them, noooooo.
That whole organization has you all "snookered" and until you stop being ignorant about your own party, the shenanigan will continue and any failure made in the Obama administration will be because of the Republicans, Fox "News" and the Tea Party Express fabricating lie after lie after lie and using their constituents to cover up the Republican Banking interest.
But it is okay to censor... I mean edit a video of a good woman depicting her to be racist against a white farmer.
Seems like you can make up your own mind without reading anything at all. It shows.What good woman?
The racist?
I will say it one more time,
You don't stop being a racist.Are you familiar with the word, redemption? Not that it applied in Ms. Sherrod's case. There's not a shred of evidence that she ever was a racist.
I grew up in Louisiana until I graduated from high school. As a child my racial attitudes were not the same as those of my friends but they were racist to an extent. I think I was less of a racist than most of my friends because my parents were from the midwest and were quite racially tolerant. And they made a point of carefully teaching me not to be intolerant. I could swear with impunity, but using the N word which was universally used by my friends was absolutely verboten. I lived through the civil rights revolution, and in my job I was responsible for several programs for integrating my company's workforce. I can say with certainty that my racial attitudes today are more tolerant than they were as a high school student in Louisiana, the point being that people's attitudes wrt race can and do change. Shirley Sherrod's address to the NCAAP described such a change in her racial attitudes. You have no basis for your assertion that she was or is a racist. Every comment you make digs your hole deeper.Nothing except her own words.
But those don't matter when you are a democrat.It has nothing to do with politics. And, if you can, tell us what words you're talking about. Have you watched the unedited tape? Did you see the interviews with the white people whose farm she saved? You may well be the stubbornest, dogmatic and most poorly informed persons I've ever encountered.
If you have seen the clip or read the transcripts then you know what words I refer to.
Some grand revelation that occurred to her at a later date means nothing.
She passed on doing her job because of the color of someones skin.
Later she sees that maybe white people are not the anointed ones that she obviously had in her head.
At least POOR white people.
I have this feeling she does not hold the opinion that all white people are deserving of her time and energy.
And Randy, I don't like hypocrisy therefore I don't like democrats.
This entire thread illustrates the hypocrisy of the democrat mind.Yes, you are the expert concerning hypocrisy, no doubt!
Doesn't take an expert to have read many times who the libs think are racists and who they think are not.
Read being the operative word.
An actual racist like Robert Byrd can be glossed over.
But Trent Lott is forced out for daring to make a comment about a 100 year old Strom Thurmond (who is another actual racist) on his birthday.
You see Trent deserved to be ousted because he was a republican.
Byrd, well, he was just a young man caught up in the times when he became a Klan leader.
Yes, I am an expert on democrat hypocrisy.Dan Rather had to resign for having false documents, didn't he? Even though the gist of what he said was true....
Helen Thomas had to resign....
Seems that liberal media people are held to a higher standard than Fox....
Fox people say whatever they like all the time...true or not!If memory serves it was the GOP that axed Trent Lott for lamenting the fact that Strom Thurmond lost his bid for the presidency because the country wouldn't have to be saddled with all the civil rights laws. (Not saying those were his exact words, but that was the implication of what he said.)
Byrd repented long ago for his membership in the KKK. He apologised time after time for his previous mistakes. Nobody has "glossed over" his racist attitudes which he may well have harbored in his heart until his death for all I know. If you take his public mea culpas at face value his viewpoint did change. He was noted mainly for his age and long service in the Senate and his expertise on the institutions arcane processes and customs.
Trent Lott wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree or he wouldn't have said what he said at Thurmond's birthday party.
John Kasich, on C-Span...at a hearing after the Republicans took over in 2000: Banging the gavel, and speaking to the Democrats: "We are in charge now!! You don't get a say!!"
Censoring is a tighty-righty thing.
The white farmer who she supposedly treated unfairly called the news station and said that is absolutely not true. STOP TELLING LIES ALREADY!
I think you're rather out of line, and missing some of the big picture. You are pillaging her, and Sherrod doesn't deserve that.
Yes she does.
And your opinion doesn't mean a thing to me.
Imagine the same situation, with all the context you want, only it was a white male speaking about the same sort of thing to an 'amused' audience at a white empowerment society, and how do you think it would all be playing out right now?
You should read a bit more. Some of the greatest literature deals with growth in people's minds and actions. Try Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy for openers, or "Huckleberry Finn."
I don't know about Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy.
But Huckleberry Finn is fiction.
As in not a true story.
They are all novelists as I thought everybody who graduated from high school knows. They are three of the greatest novelists of all time. English professors regard "Huckleberry Finn" the greatest American novel. Usually most people read it in junior high school and perhaps re-read it in a college literature course. Whey don't you give it a try. Or perhaps the "Classic Comics" version??
Huckleberry Finn is a novelist?
Thanks for the literature lesson.Boy, you really got me there. Huckleberry Finn is not a novelist. It's regarded by many the greatest American novel. It was written by Samuel Langhorne Clemens aka Mark Twain. Pick up a copy and read it. You might learn something about racism. But I doubt it. You appear to have reached your limit of learning and not susceptible to any more.
You need a literature lesson if you've never heard of Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy and you've never read "Huckleberry Finn."Did I say I had never read Huckleberry Finn?
No I don't think I said that.
I do not need a literature lesson from someone lacking in reading comprehension.
Perhaps it ended up on the Conservative Book ban list like Cather in the Rye.
Could be. I think it was banned in some districts because some of the characters used the N word, ignoring the fact that the theme of the book was completely anti-racist. It was an antecedent of "To Kill a Mockingbird." There's another one for Jim's and Sab Oh's reading list.
The last thing I need from you is a reading list, but thanks anyway.
Jim apparently hasn't heard of Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky. And he doesn't think that truth can be found in great literature. Somtimes I conflate Sab Oh and Jim. You both seem to be coming from the same place most of the time.
You two work out your issues together and leave me out of it.
I have heard of them Ralph.
I'm just not interested in them.
Is that ok with you?You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
"English professors regard "Huckleberry Finn" the greatest American novel."
All English professors? I don't think so.Many English professors or my English professor, or some English professors. Take your pick. Read the book and let us know what you think.
I've read it dozens of times, thanks. Do your own homework.
You've read "Huckleberry Finn" at least 24 times? The classic comic or the novel?
The novel. This is where you throw out another insult, right?
What was the first insult, Sab? I've read it perhaps 4 times myself, along with Tom Sawyer and all of the other Twain works I could find. But dozens of times? Why?
I was referring to the general pattern of insult, but enough of that for now.
Dozens of times because I've been tutoring high school and college students for over 15 years. Unavoidable.What a way to ruin a great book! Gee Sab, you actually answered my questions! Getting soft in your whatever age? Jim taking over for you now? LOL!
Why do you think you are deserving of an answer?
Are you someone of importance?
Read Randy, just read. The answers are all around you.Yes, I am someone of importance! While you, on the other hand are merely someone of impotence! It's why you are so angry and whiny! I will remind myself to not answer your questions as you seem to only desire listeners, not listening! Duh!
"What a way to ruin a great book! "
You can say that again! And it makes mediocre books all but unbearable.
"Gee Sab, you actually answered my questions! Getting soft in your whatever age?"
You asked a real question for a change, not some transparent, leading thing dressed up like a question.The majority of my questions directed to you concern your statements. If they seem leading it is because your statements call for such. Too bad about Huckleberry, though. That's a bummer! Ever read Twain's "A Dog's Tale"?
Yes, but not dozens of times.
You wanna talk bummer, I think I can recite The Great Gatsby, The Scarlet Letter, and Frankenstein verbatim.I feel the same about some of the songs I played during my many years as a professional musician. Repetition breeds contempt, in some cases!
Understanding and appreciating them would be more impressive than reciting them by rote.
Ralph, my understanding is she worked for the nonprofit organization Federation of Southern Cooperatives, which takes public money.
That may well be correct. It's still correct to characterize the agency for which she worked as a private agency. However, the FOX "News" reports implied that she was working for the Obama
Agriculture Department when the incident occurred. Appaently they were snookered by Breitbart's "clever" editorial work. They have now backed away from their story.
whyever she admitted, I'll never guess. However, I think it was notable that she admitted to this - long ago attitude she had, and in the context used it to illustrate how racism goes both ways! I think she should be rewarded, not fired!
The speech heard in its entirety, in my opinion would not be grounds to demand her resignation.
She may be racist IDK, but I listened to the whole thing as well as the farmers version and it was not as devious as the media made it out to be.A voice of reason. Thanks Arthur. You are a fair man.
I think if Shirley Sherrod was a white woman, who said things about not helping black people with full force and bringing black people to their own, she wouldn't have had a second chance. Even if she did end up helping the black couple later because of a punk black lawyer.
Is Shirley Sherrod was white and her father was killed by a black man, we'd never hear the end of it.
And just FYI....that scenario you described was LAW in this country for what, 100 years?So true.
And everyone here screaming what a good woman sherrod is would be screaming a different tune.
You see, democrats can be forgiven for being racist.
I think its in the DNC's bylaws.
Pardon my French, but this whole thing is a giant, maliciously engineered clusterfuck.
The good old BOYS over at Fox are laughing their fat, doughy asses off.
They got EXACTLY the reaction they wanted.
Shirley Sherrod unwittingly gave them the ammunnition. You know they're out there 24/7 looking for similar opportunities to make the Obama administration look bad.
Secretary Vilsack was dumb enough to walk right into their trap.
Yep, we've been punk'd, folks.
Even now the media "pundits" are twisting and turning trying to figure out what happened and why.
This isn't even ABOUT racism. They could have chosen ANY issue. The point is, they have the ability to launch a blatant lie (or half-truth) and it replicates like a virus.
The collateral damage in this little plot goes well beyond poor Ms. Sherrod -- who did not deserve to be fired from USDA even if she WAS racist 18 years ago -- which the tape proves she is NOT.
What does that have to do with her current performance in her current job?
NOTHING.It case you didn't notice...it was not Fox News who fired Mrs Sherrod. I think this is another classic example of Dems screwing up and pointing the finger to draw attention away from themselves. It's classic, my kids used to that too...when they were 10!
Although, I happen to think Mrs. Sherrod has a "compelling narrative" she cannot be let off the hook for some of the comments she made ('one of his own kind 'etc. OR pointing out that some black family members were selling their portion of acres of farmland to...ugh some white guy. what's the neighborhood coming to!)
You might even be able to excuse the fact that she was only advocating for blacks to help blacks in her speech because she was addressing the NAACP... BUT what bothers me is that I am not completely confidant that if I were to need help , even today, that Mrs. Sherrod would give me the full force of her help. I am not saying that she wouldn't help ...just that she still has a ways to go (which might even be understandable given her background)
But listen people... instead of trying to get rid of Fox News (remember "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to death your right to say it) we should instead be talking about getting rid of all organizations who perpetuate the sorting of people by color.
Prejudice can be explained because someone had to endure injustices in the past but it cannot be excused... it isn't any less ignorant or wrong. (and YES I have watched the whole tape and read the transcripts...have you? now read it and substitute a white person saying the same things. I think you will understand what some people are saying about the tinge of racism in the speech. I do admire Mrs. Sherrod though , she has overcome much more than many of us ever could have)
My kids (30, 26, 21) look at me in amazement when I try to explain racist thinking...they cannot believe that people actually think that way....whether that person is white or black... they are baffled by that way of thinking. They almost look at me as if to say , 'c'mon..you're putting me on'.
The next generation is well on their way to being "color-blind" if we don't screw them up with ghosts from our past. Let's see what we can all do together to help them.The ghosts are in our present as well as our past among other things evidenced by the filthy racist signs on display at Teatard functions and by sick white Teatard racists like Andrew Breitbart.
I think I see now... Instead of having an intelligent discussion you insist on being immature...Teatard...wow I am so impressed with your witty play on words. What a clever boy you are! (Olbermann has got all of you following in his pathetic footsteps.) You and other lefties want nothing more than to keep these divisions alive. It gives you purpose in life. It's how you make your living. You feign concern and pretend to help but this is nothing more than plantation mentality. You try to assuage your white guilt by "helping" those you deem less capable. I have news for you...there are people in this country, of all colors, who have no more than a 3rd grade education and yet they understand more about the foundations of this country than you do. Here's a clue...It's all about freedom! But the left merely pays lip service to the idea of freedom. What they are really after is control. They want to control what we eat and drink, what drugs we take or don't take, control how we raise our children, control the kinds of lights we use and how much water our toilets flush. And now...they are going after free speech...MSNBC and other lefties have the gall to call for the yanking of a broadcasting license! Why? Because they cannot compete legitimately. They have to play dirty ... the left always does... end always justifies the means for them. They stand on no principal! Well here's a newsflash for ya... the Tea Party is not going away...I think they represent the many people in this country who are mad as hell and they will not go gentle into that good night..
I think it's totally racism. Van Jones is also black and also targeted by them.
ACORN is an organization that helps black people in ghetto's. Targeted by them.
They say: "President is a racist..."
"President hates white people...."
Play the Black Panther video over and over...even though it was 2 years ago, and at a black housing project....
Calling for a tea-Bag rally On MLK's anniversary of speech....
Acting like blacks are the racists, and whites are the victims....it's CLASSIC psy-ops!!!
Down is up and up is down!
Shame on you Fixed Noise.....your reward awaits you. God doesn't like this kind of crap.
"God'll get you for that Arthur."Jim Crow??? Heeeel No!
That's why we don't want to go back to states rights....cause you know the good ole boys aren't dead yet....and who knows what their offsring turned out to be.....SHUDDER to think!!!Is it just me, or have those who protested way too much about Shirley Sherrod being racist run away with their tails between their legs?
Two words: SHE AIN'T!Had stuff to do.
So yeah it was just you.
Two words.
She is.You're like the cops in my home town who have radar that detects skin color.
Still singing the song of the democrat.
Disagree with a democrat about any race issue and you are labeled a racist.
I'm glad the independents are waking up to the games you people play.
Say good night Gracie.No, if you think you are better than someone else because of the color of your skin, you're a racist.
Just think about that.....how absolutely STUPID that is!
And these idiots Breitbart and Fox are using it to take down the Pres.
Oh no, we are better than that.
But you know, now that they have been busted for the race-baiters that they are, they WILL need a diffferent tactic now.
Watch them come out as Uniters, not dividers. Just wait! And don't buy it! Never ever believe ANYTHING human that comes from them. They are soul-less monsters.
I agree with that.
I don't agree with THAT--my family and I watched Beck's program the day this happened(yes, I admit we watch him, how 'bout that?), and he defended Sherrod completely. I'm sure there are probably YouTube clips, or others somewhere, to verify that.
Now, I don't agree with everything Beck, says, or Fox news, for that matter, but the same goes for the other side, too--I have a mind of my own, and will not follow anyone blindly.
Saying these people are soul-less monsters is way too extreme, IMO, wow. Try watching a program on Fox once in awhile--you'd be surprised at how factual they can be...if you take off the blinders, and look at them objectively, as I try to do--for BOTH sides...you people are in serious need of meds...do you not believe in the free exchange of ideas? Do you seriously want one sided arguments and control of all information dissemination? We all know where that leads!
Sure, a new nameless troll to hide behind their anonymity while they spout the opinions of their frightened selves. Scared little people afraid to let others know who they are! They could all be one person and that is one reason to be against letting those with multiple accounts post as more than one person.
How can you be reported for insulting a troll? Their very presence here is an insult to the site. This is merely the opinion of a REAL person on HP! Just notice, most are right wing jobs!
sorry bro i didnt mean to comment on this but just kinda lost here so im not really sure im up to.
Ahahahaha....
SO, the NAACP is racist and the Tea-Baggers aren't ???
CLASSIC!!!!!
Let's twist all history shall we?
I'll start:
"Whites had it bad in this country from the beginning.
They were always oppressed and beaten down by force.
First by the Indians, who wanted to be massacred and have their land stolen and treaties broken. Then by the Africans, who voluntarily came her so they could do all the work for free, be separated from their families, whipped, beaten, raped, killed, not allowed to read, have rights or anything that the Constitution guarentees for "All MEN".
Oh you poor poor white people! Good for you Breitbart...sock it to that NAACP, who had everything handed to them on a silver platter. Unlike Fox, who must always stay within the parameters of truth and decency."
How'd I do? TWISTED enough? I know Fox and the tighty-righty brigade have a head start, but I'm tryin!!!Jim! Are you crying? Come on now, it can't be that bad. Some ole mean democrat treat you bad when you were a child. Why don't you get a picture of McCarthy to use as your avatar, or better yet, a nuns habit with a hockey mask to complete the ensemble?
And be sure to stay away from bridges, especially those which have billy goats on them!Unlike your pal Jim, or you--who never insult! wink wink
Here's another blogger's take:
"The Fox news political satirists along with a half a dozen right wing groups have been pulling the same crap on almost everything they do. Partial blogs and videos that alter the meaning, messages that have been modified like the statement from Lee Iacocca where they substitute Obama in place of Bush and substitute Democrat in place of republican and E-mail it to thousands of people, telling them to forward it to every body else.
I have seen several hundred of these, and found absolute proof of what they have done to alter the meanings. This time they have definitely crossed the line. This should easily end up as a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Fox news and those involved. I wonder if Fieger might be interested in this one. Hit them where it hurts (in the pocket book)."
Oh I hope she goes for it, full tilt!! They deserve to pay and pay and pay for the damage they do.
Not until they are really exposed will it end.
Despicable example of non-humanity. That's right, not in-human, non-human. No souls. imoFox News. Fair and balanced.
Wonderful people, too. I'm sure this could not have been deliberate. Just another in a long string of very unfortunate news errors. Not deliberate. Couldn't be.Willy Nelson:
"The real story of Shirley Sherrod deserved to be told a long time ago. She has had an amazing impact on the lives and livelihoods of hundreds of families and communities throughout the South. Farmers of every race have struggled with the income inequities that have persisted for generations, and advocates like Ms. Sherrod have moved mountains to ensure that families can remain in their homes and on their farms."
No wonder Fox is smearing her....they hate anyone who's for the people, instead of corporations.
Just par for the course.
Any more good people? Get in line...you're next.Both the NAACP and the Obama administration have demonstrated that they are trigger happy and unwise in their judgments.
Don't like to think President Obama has access to all that power considering how he goes off on a policeman who arrests a black man, as good as calling him stupid, and then reacting this way to a barely intelligible, out of context video clip.
I'd like to think our president had more self control.You have your tags mixed up. The President displayed poor judgement in this case. Lack of self control is not a problem with this man.
I haven't seen any evidence that Obama did or didn't pull the plug on Shirley Sherrod. If he did he was wrong.
He had nothing to do with it and was briefed this morning about it. The guy who actually did call her to ask her resignation said that he acted on his own and was very sorry and accepted full responsibility.
What about Fox News, who intentionally used the out of context statement to mislead their loyal lemmings? Should they be punished for slandering the lady on purpose?
So THIS is what a "post racial" presidency is like, huh?
"Both the NAACP and the Obama administration have demonstrated that they are trigger happy and unwise in their judgments."
And what about the lying scumbag Andrew Breitbart?
Hey, it's me MM. I'm reporting in for the evening shift. Hello my fellow racist dems! How you holdin' up?
Gosh I miss that wonderful Senator Byrd, don't y'all?Something's weird, tho. Shirley Sherrod said that when she got the phone call demanding her resignation she was told the order did come from the WH. But then Vilsack refuted that and said he acted on his own authority.
One way or another, wouldn't you expect them to investigate first, then fire her if the investigation found just cause?
The process was such a rush to judgment... makes me uncomfortable. Then again, just imagine how it makes HER feel!He has an agenda behind defending her.
He actually compares the Tea-Baggers to MLK!! They are NOTHING like MLK!!! Maybe that's his next pose: To be a race uniter--after he completely tore it all apart. Remember, he was the 1st. He came out with "Obama is a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people." Just remember that when he tries to now spew his racial integrity. He has 0 integrity and he is a monster to me. They all are, extreme as that may sound to you.
You need to research this guy.
He was a Morning Zoo host. They plucked him from there to be a shill for the right.
Same company that sponsors him sponsors Russsshhhhhhh.
How you can listen to someone who fake-cries maybe you should stop and think. He's playing everybody!
And the bottom line will always be the same: White Supremacy, States Rights, Corporate Control.
No matter how much they try and pretend the other way. Acting....anybody can do it.So much for taking off the blinders, and viewing things objectively...and rationally.
Well, I tried--have fun with your one-sided arguments...I knew better than to try and discuss politics on here, lol...
There is no objectivity where evil is concerned. It is evil or it isn't....no compromising with it.
Either you fight it all the way, or it slips in and takes a hold of you.
Just watch and see if I'm right. Beck will now come out as the great race-unifier.
Then he will slowly slip this insidious racial crap in the mix. Just enough so you don't really know anymore....oh yeah, this guy's a snake.
Sorry---I don't buy any of it.
You go right ahead, just don't say I didn't warn you.
Evil? Glenn Beck? Boy, you must watch a different Beck than I do, 'cause I just don't see it, sorry...
And now you think that his honoring African-Americans on his show(and their achievements), honoring MLK, having frequent African-American guests...is all a big set up for the future???
Wow, again. Okay--think what you must, but I couldn't disagree with you more...
You talk about snakes? To me, that's just about any politician in Washington..."President Obama is a racist. I really believe he has a deep-seated hatred of white people."
By saying that, I would actually say that Beck is the racist. And he's using MLK's beautiful speech to promote racism.
It's snaky and cynical in the extreme.
Just watch and see.
Beck=ssssssssssssssssss
You Say: "There is no objectivity where evil is concerned. It is evil or it isn't....no compromising with it.
Either you fight it all the way, or it slips in and takes a hold of you."
What a very true observation, very well said.
As for Beck, it's odd, you seem to be more familiar with him than most so-called 'wingnuts'. I don't even watch the show anymore, he's tiresome lately, but he's not a 'snake', and the tears are a stretch for sure, but that 'insidious racial crap' is mostly perpetrated and perpetuated by the left, and for quite some time, and for purely political reasons. No doubt those with far leftist leanings would prefer that only their voices were heard in that regard.
Leftists seem to forget that a majority of Americans selected our President, as always, or at least the majority of graft influenced electoral votes."or at least the majority of graft influenced electoral votes."
Oh that's nice.Couldn't be that people really wanted him there huh?
It's you who forget we elected him.
It's the Right, who think they will insurrect his Presidency, using Any Means Necessary.
Keep at it. As Sinead O'Connor sang not too long ago: "By their own words, they will be exposed."
Keep talking.You are funny! I do have to say, and that's a good thing.
The folks that cast electoral votes have been courted and petted, wined and dined, whispered to and whalloped at, bribed and bought, for countless elections for a very long time -- it's not unique to this last election. I happen to think the electoral college system has well outlived any usefulness that justified its inception. Oh! And that's an opinion I've held long before Obama became a candidate for POTUS!
Yes, I'll keep talking, and I do hope you do as well. Cheers.
Who put that label on it?
There is no post-racial as long as we still have people such as Glenn Beck saying Obama is a racist.I was just watching Glenn Beck for the first time in a while. I agree, Flippin, he's a bit hard to take for me too.
He had an interesting timeline on the Sherrod affair. He supported her when he first saw the video and before she was fired because he asked for the whole video and saw that the clip was out of context. But still he is being blamed by the White House and Sherrod.
March 27 Sherrod gives speech.
Early April Breitbart contacted about video.
July 19th 8:30 am Breitbart posts video in response to NAACP comments about Tea Party.
July 19th 5 pm Sherrod gets three phone calls saying WH is asking for resignation. Sherrod states she was told they wanted her resignation right away because she was going to be on Glenn Beck that night.
July 19th 8:49 pm Fox News (not Glenn Beck) first reported on video.Yes, it is pretty interesting that FOX news is being excoriated over the Sherrod story, when in fact it is the NAACP and the federal government that ran that bus right through the Stop sign.
If you think about it, the fact that the NAACP had issued a "press release" (the statement from them was surely in that form) denouncing Sherrod, would pretty much indicate somebody wanted it on the NEWS.
Yet we have Beck being clobbered when he didn't do anything wrong, and Ms. Sherrod won't talk on the Fox network, oh darn.
And now of course she has visions of another large lawsuit settlement via suing Breitbart, and perhaps political office in her own future once she no longer needs a job. (Although, she did rather meekly say she doesn't really know that much about lawyers and such....something ridiculous along those lines.)
The networks and the White House are slobbering all over themselves, and plainly ignoring the fact that she was a federal employee talking trash politics in a public forum -- which, as I've said more than once here, ya ain't supposed to do.The NAACP has apologised, Vilsak has apologised and offered Sherrod a job, Obama has personally apologised and expressed hope that she will return to the Agriculture Department, Bill O'Neill has apologised for not checking the story more thoroughly before going with it.
But we have yet to hear, as far as I know, from Beck, Hannity, and the evil Andrew Breitbart who started sorry affair with his lying edited video tape.Did Obama apologize to the Cambridge Police Officer?
It was one year ago today that the President of the United States called the Cambridge Police "stupid."
Maybe Sherrod will get a free beer out of it all.My tax dollars paid for that beer.
And I didn't even get one.
I don't remember. He invited the police officer and Professor Gates to the White House for a beer. I don't think an apology was called for. The police officer AND Gates both were off base.
No, only Gates and Obama were off base.
The Officer was well within his rights to arrest.
It matters not that the charges were dropped due to bad publicity.
Breitbart did not apologize. He admitted he posted the video excerpt in direct response to NAACP accusing Tea Party of racism.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that Breitbart had an agenda. He was, it seems, also the brains behind the ACORN "sting."
Regardless of whether they reacted to only the YouTube video or Fox News report, the WH is really eating (Jim) Crow on this one.
Gotta wonder. Does Mr. Vilsack get all his news via YouTube?
Wouldn't you think he'd vett the information a little more thoroughly before taking such swift -- and wrong -- action against his own emploee?
Wouldn't you think he -- and WH-- would be just a little more discriminating in accepting at face value ANYTHING from a "news" (source like Fox or its contributor Mr. Breitbart?
Rediculous
(yes,I know it's ridiculous,but I find spelling it with an "e" makes the sentiment even stronger, somehow...)Didn't the NAACP and the White House release a press statement about this?
Isn't that how it wound up on the news at all?
Are you saying that press releases from the WH and NAACP caused Ms. Shirrod's firing. It had nothing to do with the clip that Breitbart posted?
No I asked a question.
Did the whole forum get a new look?
P.S. I went in search of a nice frosty beer for you, Jim. For some reason when I try to use the formatting tips to post photos from the web, HP kicks me off and I have to sign back in again.
Finally I said the heck with it.
But I wanted you to know I did try.Maybe the rapture occurred and we were left behind.
Or not.
Ok, maybe you can clarify your question for me.
You said Didn't the White House and NAACP issue a press statement about this?
Isn't that how it wound up on the news at all?
As I understand the steps in the process they go in this order:
1. Breitbart posts
2. NAACP publicly condemns
3. Vilsack sacks -- citing that SS is to be on GB show later
4. Media (not just Fox) get a hold of the story
5. Media (not Fox) research and discover context of clip
6. SS gets a lot of media attention
7. NAACP apologizes
8. Vilsack apologizes
9. O'Reilly apologizes
10. POTUS texts SS then apologizes via phone
I could have some of the interim steps out of order. But it doesn't really matter, does it?
If the clip had not gone public via YouTube (courtesy of Mr. Breitbart) none of the other steps would have occurred.I don't know what occurred first thats why I asked?
But it has been reported that both the white house and the NAACP had the full text and still acted.
My position is one does not quit being a racist. She had racist feelings.
And still after reading the full text I notice she is only sympathetic to "poor white people".
The woman has some problems with race.
Silly Jim.
You know as well as I do the Rapture ain't gonna occur over here! That's over on the Religion forum!
But I daresay we probably would be left behind (no offense, I hope)No offense taken. I'll probably go to hell or at least Oakland for saying what I said.
The latest. Apparently Vilsak, not Obama, pulled the plug on Sherrod.
President Obama said Thursday that his agriculture secretary ''jumped the gun'' in firing Shirley Sherrod, the black Agriculture Department official whose ouster and subsequent offer of rehiring has renewed a national conversation on the politics of race.
"He jumped the gun, partly because we now live in this media culture where something goes up on YouTube or a blog and everybody scrambles," Mr. Obama said, referring to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, in an interview with ABC's Good Morning America that is scheduled to air Friday morning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/us/po … r=1&hp"The latest. Apparently Vilsak, not Obama, pulled the plug on Sherrod."
Sounds like someone else was thrown under the bus for Obama's sake.
Every time the 2 of you post, I hear the theme song from Jaws.
That's odd, I always hear the theme from "Looney Toons."
And I imagine you as Elmer Fudd.
The great white hunter.Don't go getting racist on me, Jimmy! That's not very libertarian of you! LOL!
See, you are a liberal.
The first thing that comes to your mind is racism.
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.Excellent answer! I thought you were speaking from the voice of experience!
I don't think so. I usually pull the trigger in between my heartbeats so they don't disturb my aim. The difference between a marksman and an amateur!
James Fallows in the Atlantic weighs in on the Sherrod fiasco:
1) Shirley Sherrod. I agree with my colleagues Coates, Sullivan, Green, Ambinder, plus most of the civilized world, in finding this episode nauseating. Silver lining: the possibility that for the Breitbart/Fox attack machine this could be the long-awaited "Have you no sense of decency?" moment. I disagree with my colleague Clive Crook that it's hard to tell whether the people who first aired and harped on the deceptive video (Breitbart/Fox), or the officials who responded in belief it was true (ie, Ag Secretary Vilsack), are the more culpable. As Marc Ambinder pointed out, it's easy: Vilsack's now-revoked decision to fire Sherrod "was a good faith [though rash] mistake based on the bad faith of others."
Note to the young: No, the picture below is not of Andrew Breitbart or Sean Hannity. It's of their mentor, Joe McCarthy.
http://www.historycentral.com/postwar/McCarthy.htmlGasp! That's TM's photo! No wonder he is so grumpy!
That's humor.
Randy pay attention to Mighty Mom.
She came up with a joke that was relevant to the topic.
You could learn a thing or two from her.
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The recent DOJ report said there was a 'pattern and practice of constitutional violations (that primarily target African Americans) in stopping people without reasonable suspicion, arresting them without probable cause, and using unreasonable force.'The report is a scathing indictment of the...
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Is Miss. America pageant only for white Americans?
by Anish Patel 10 years ago
Is Miss. America pageant only for white Americans?When an Indian American wins the spelling bee, nobody minds but when an Indian American wins Miss. America, people make racist comments! Why?