So much for toning down the rhetoric.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/0 … -much.html
It does not count if it is done by the left?
The epitome of hypocrisy, so redundant it makes me nauseous!!!!
The right is doing the same things.
And yes it is wrong but it is also wrong to LIE.
Comparing them to Nazi's : wrong
Saying they like to further their agenda with propaganda: Correct
The hypocrisy lies in the media's completely ignoring and denying the fact that rhetoric is spewed from all sides.
If that was a (R) that spewed that garbage there would be outcry's of inciting violence.
Sometimes, stuff like the truths of matters (like how American's vote, and what they actually want) can be met with such accusations by certain leadership in the party.
That said, he did do a form of an apology, as it is clearly out of line, and at least he did that. Correct me if I am not understanding that correctly. So it was out of line, but often many people don't care about the facts, and run with that kind of thing and it sticks. While the apology and obvious wrong is gone with the wind.
The fact that he did it to a mostly empty house tells me he knew better. He's made these types of comments before, so past actions speak louder than any apology in my opinion.
Oh no, I hear you, and don't get me wrong. Just saying that the admission he was wrong is something, that he said sorry. You don't often get even that from some of these kinds of people.
All of their actions speak louder than words. I totally agree. I think that is true of all of us.
Let me get this right.....
Repubs can say Dems hate America, want to destroy it, are socialists, communists, and NOW--your mouthpieces are saying that Dems had Giffords shot.......
and YOU are crying foul? HELLO!!!
btw, Who was Chamberlain? Savage is saying "we now have Chamberlain in the White House"
Wow. That's an astonishingly, law-droppingly, appallingly stupid thing to say.
Yeah, Republican propaganda is exactly like Nazi propaganda. And stubbing my toe is exactly like breaking my leg.
What a jerk.
"So much for toning down the rhetoric."
A campaign has begun to defend a longtime professor and activist from the frequent attacks of Glenn Beck—and the death threats that the attacks have brought with them.
Frances Fox Piven, a 78-year-old professor and political theorist, has been the subject of harsh criticism by Beck for years. Now, the Center for Constitutional Rights has written a letter to Roger Ailes, CEO of Fox News, asking for his "immediate help in stopping false accusations by Glenn Beck that are putting Professor Piven in danger."
"I got e-mails that said, 'Die You C-nt,' and 'May cancer find you soon.' And people are posting my address on the Internet with their messages that are really crude and ugly and violent."
In its letter, the Center for Constitutional Rights ran through some of the violent comments that readers of The Blaze have left on articles about Piven. They include:
"Maybe they should burst through the fron door of this arrogant elitist and slit the hateful cow's throat."
"We should blow up Piven's office and home."
"Big lots is having a rope sale I hear, you buy the rope and I will hang the wench. I will spin her as she hangs."
CCR asked Ailes to "order Mr. Beck to cease and desist."
I have frequently heard the Nazi comparison from both sides of the political spectrum. It's getting old.
It does get quite old. I don't get nearly as angry with that absurdity as the accusation of racism. That one makes me want to break out the sabers and name seconds.
About once a week two individuals spend the day in front of the Birmingham, Michigan, U.S. Post Office exercising their First Amendment rights with large Impeach Obama signs depicting the President with an Adolf Hitler mustache. I'm not sure who they are or who's paying them for their time. They may be remnants of Lyndon LaRouche's campaigns or Michigan TeaTards.
Shameful, and a real-life example of Godwin's Law in action. Godwin's Law states the following: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
Although his analogy is apt...
... he's wrong.
Sure, it isn't a complete takeover of health care... YET.
Just like income tax - it started small and then ballooned into unbelievable percentages.
The first income tax, although unconstitutional at the time (the constitution never stood in the way of Abraham Lincoln's Civil War, nor the "reconstruction" that followed) was ONLY 3% of wages earned.
3% has ballooned into 35%+ (depending on your state).
Sure, health care isn't mandated, nor is it a take over... but give it 50 years.
I don't think it will take 50 years. Nor do I think our economy will hold up to the pressure an entitlement program like the current health care plan would put on it.
Well, it's at 35% now, but it's actually "ballooned" much higher than that. In the 1940's and 1950's, there were some very wealthy individuals paying over 90% income tax, with a top bracket rate of up to 94%! If you look at the historical rates over the past 70 years, the current 35% top bracket rate is relatively low.
This is not the first time I see those numbers. Are they for real? Did anybody actually pay at that rate? Isn't this just 'expropriation of the expropriators', by Karl Marx - which probably means the USA became a communist country long ago, in line with the Soviet Union?
Yes, the numbers are real. I don't think many of the rich were actually paying that. The world was much larger then(no electronic banking) I suspect that because hiding money was easier back then, many were.
I think FDR had them upwards of 100%...
maybe he was stopped from implementing it.
Yeah like being almost dead is relatively better than being dead!
Pretty safe to say that once you invoke the name of Hitler or Nazis, you have successfully abdicated your argument.
Errr, who's been called a Nazi for 2 1/2 years?????
Nazi? Never. A socialist, maybe. But not a Nazi.
Its about time you realized Socialism and Fascism are the same thing.
Every president since at least the 1960's. This seems like a fad that probably started with the hippies, most likely in protest of LBJ.
Democrats and Republicans (people they represent) are the proverbial "house divided against itself" ... One will have to defeat and abolish the existence of the other. American cannot go on like this. The time's approachin'...
Actually, his comparison is apt.
He is talking about the use of propaganda and repeating lies to the point they become accepted by the populace as truth.
He is NOT saying that the Republicans are engaging in atrocities like the Nazis.
He is saying they are engaging in a propaganda technique also used (effectively) by the Nazis.
MM, your latest propaganda campaign to link the shootings to tea party is a good example of dems doing exactly the same. You are at best on par with repubs, or even worse in this regard.
That is exactly what it is, a campaign.
Democrats know two ways to be effective, at least in their minds.
Call people Nazi's or racists.
Shilling for a lost cause is on display.
Ummm, it wasn't only SOME dems doing this, it was THE PEOPLE WHO GOT SHOT!!!
Good point, Misha.
If you say something often enough, forcefully enough, people believe it. Even long after the premise is proved false.
I believe (or at least hope) that at this point ALL have been satisfied that the shooter in Tucson was NOT influenced by political rhetoric from Tea Partiers or Sarah Palin's map.
He may have heard rhetoric in his head, but we have no idea what that might have been.
Many people have read Mein Kampf AND The Communist Manifesto and not ended up shooting people in a Safeway parking lot.
I agree - rhetoric not related to shooting.
Divisive violently suggestive rhetoric from both sides is wrong.
It is OK to disagree, you don't even have to like people, but promoting violence even indirectly is incorrect. Lying and distorting the truth to win your point is also wrong especially when you are a public servant.
People in Government have all the tools they need to have the facts and there is no excuse for propaganda or distortion.
Not me! I saw through all the nonsense.
Good ol' Anarchy! Hasn't led me wrong yet!
And in case you don't have your eyes open....they are extemely Nazi-ish!!
I just got home, turned on Matthews, and saw a clip of Bachmann-Turner-Overdrive saying:
We won't stop until we have repealed healthcare and put a president in there who will repeal it.
We won't stop until we have a gvt in there .......JUST LIKE US!!!!!
Who the hell does she think she is?
This tea-party is a cult. And a dangerous one. You want to talk digging the knife is?
Mike Pence said yesterday on the floor....
Lock, Stock and Barrell.
Talk about insensitive....does he enjoy gun violence?
What part of this quote you provided:
"We won't stop until we have repealed healthcare and put a president in there who will repeal it.
We won't stop until we have a gvt in there .......JUST LIKE US!!!!!"
... in ANY way - ANY WAY - implies any sort of Nazi belief?
I'm serious. You can't just make such a wild claim and not back it up.
Um, isn't the goal of every party to put a President in office that is "just like them"?
Yes, but WE just did that!!
THEY are acting like Obama is not legitimate. In other words, WE are not legitimate. The ONLY thing that matters is THEM.
My way or the Highway. NO middle ground. NO working together. None. 100% their way.
Much like Bush was considered "not legit". Remember all the "not my President" signs?
And love, Obama has been the master of the my-way-or-highway politics for the last two years. But I guess it is okay when it is your guy doing it, right?
The hell he has. That is a lie propagated by your spin machine.
YOUR side should have given respect to a sitting president by working with him, not demanding everything be their way.
"The hell he has. That is a lie propagated by your spin machine."
Backed up by your leaders actions.
“we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
Perfect! That is how it is supposed to be! WE got elected, but we are going to listen to your side too.
Versus Boehner: Compromise is not a word I recognize.
Gingrich: Say no to everything Obama proposes, so we can come in in November as the saviors.
Bachmann: We will repeal the President and the Senate to get only our people in there.
Kasich: We are in charge now, you HAVE no say.
Oh, so we are to give respect to a sitting President? Again, like the left did to Bush?
Is your memory really that selective?
I am talking about politicians here Billie....elected representatives are saying they are going to repeal Democrats!!
Elected representatives are saying they WILL NOT work with this president.
Elected representatives scream that they are doing what America wants.....but only 18% want to repaeal this healthcare.
They are doing what a small minority want.....ie a CULT.
"elected representatives are saying they are going to repeal Democrats!!"
What a great world it would be if only that were possible.
I wish I could repeal my elected politicians. I'd repeal em all.
Watch and see. With enough money and enough "gun talk" fear and threatening.....you may get your wish.
The Republicans are running an extremely effective propaganda campaign to make people scared of the new healthcare reforms?
The Republican propaganda campaign means the Republicans are like Nazis? Overblown, stupid, ignorant, horrible comment.
Call me an idiot all you like....you can all agree Cheney is evil....these people are just as bad.
Let them take power and you will see what I mean.
Nazi is correct. Fascist. Evil.
It's the same mentality brought to us from WWII....Operation Paperclip.
Or, as Marrs book title says, The Return of the Fourt Reich.
Violent overturn of a gvt. Riddance of all democrats. Riddance of all who don't think like them.
You're calling Republicans Nazis for wanting power to rule (the presidency)...
... but when the Democrats do the EXACT SAME THING, you call them "the only hope for a good future", or something like that.
you HAVE to realize how idiotic of an argument that is.
You're either an Anarchist, or a hypocrite.
Excuse me....which Democrat implied that they must rid American politics of all Republicans?
Obama's whole shpeil has been to "work together".
What did McConnell (the Turtle) say?
I'll tell you: His number one goal is to make Obama a one term president.
Not ONE time since I've been alive has a party taken it upon themselves to disavow the whole half of the country that doesn't agree with them. 136 filibusters used in one year.
They are not the same.....not by a long shot.
Yeah, that whole "The Republicans have to ride in back" really sounds like wanting to work together, doesn't it?
And love, every party does their best to make their opponent a one termer. Not sure how else this whole political thing is supposed to work. Are you actually suggesting that Obama is entitled to two terms?
And,, um, the Dems have had a filibuster proof majority until about a week or two ago...not sure where your gripe is (but then, I never am)
You will never get it Billie...you are too tied to your side.
If you hated the Bush years as I did....and the Bush daddy years and the Reagan years....
You could understand. I don't want them back again. It is a HORROR for this country.
Oh, so it's okay for you to be tied to your side, but not anyone else? Wow. Some of your posts are actually more unbelievable than others.
I guess it all boils down to whether you believe in personal freedoms or dependence on government. Where you stand is certainly crystal clear.....
NO! I'm telling you you do not understand the deepness of my revolt for them and the deepness of my fear of them in power!!!
So, in other words....you have NO IDEA where I stand. You will not allow my "stand" into your train of thought whatsoever. You dismiss it right out of hand from the get-go.
In don't dismiss it at all. You are in favor of a ruling party whose answer to everything is "more government".
More government equals fewer freedoms.
That wasn't hard now was it?
Need I say more?
Let me ask you something.....we had 8 years of Bushco, so I pretty much know what it's all about, and why I don't want it.
But you people were protesting Obama before he even took office....what is that about?
It's been 2 years, and the whole time you guys have been all about getting him out. Not giving him a chance...not giving US a chance, but just having to have your guys back in as soon as possible.
Do you really think this is what the Founding Fathers meant?
Capitalism is not written into the Constitution. Neither is Democracy.
The "Good of all" has many connotations.
Do you really think they meant for one party rule to be the way this country functions?
Your argument was that Republicans are trying to take power.
Democrats are doing the same thing.
Deal with it.
I sure am glad you libs are keeping the VITRIOL and RHETORIC down to a minimum.
I have toned down my vitriol....I no longer say Boner, or Tea-Baggers...
But hey--if you guys ever tone down yours...you let me know.
It was just yesterday that ole Delay's Boy said
"Lock Stock and Barrell". Mike Pence...that paragon (in his mind), of christian virtue, ex-righty-talk-hate host.
They just LOVE those gun metaphors don't they? Can't leave em alone, not for a second.
So exactly what metaphor was Obama using when he said "they bring a knife, we bring a gun"
It is actually known that Obama is not a big gun nut. He favors strict laws regarding ownership.
Did you feel threatened by that metaphor from him?
Did you really think he would bring a gun to a debate?
Tea-partiers, on the other hand, have actually brought guns to debates. Guns to 4th of July parades. Guns to town hall meetings. To me, it was as a means of intimidation.
So, if a tea-party candidate had said the same thing Obama did, I would have thought they meant a real gun, versus Obama using it as a metaphor for fighting harder, being stronger.
I'll make it easy for you.
If you put a Hitler mustache on Obama, you are saying he is Hitler. Hitler was a Nazi. Ergo, you are saying Obama is a Nazi... pretty simple huh?
I'll make it easy for you
W h o c a r e s?
You got involved in another disagreement---between CJ and me. You obviously cared.
He said they never called Obama a Nazi. I showed him they did.
You said bluster bluster bluster sputter sputter psutter.....but....but....but....
My Repubbies are PERFECT!!!!!
You said I called Obama Hitler.
No I didn't.
Now I say, who cares?
If you can't remember what you have posted then maybe you should stop.
I was talking to cj not you.
Check your own self.
nanneee nannneeee boo booo!!!!
But Jimmy!! You excused it when they held signs with Obama as Hitler!!! You said it was fine and dandy then.
Its only one page back....
I think I'm missing the entire point of getting mad at Nazi-esque rhetoric.
If you're dumb enough to think that Obama is Hitler, or that Bush is murdering Jews, or ... y'know, any of that stuff. Then you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Propaganda? Yeah, sure. But all governments do that.
Once again, if you're dumb enough to believe it, it's your own fault.
Certain people are saying that the Tea-Party is "not that bad". In fact, everybody is just like them.
I am saying they are BEYOND HORRIBLE, and need to be stopped.
How Nazi-esque of you.
In the analogy, you will play the part of Hitler:
You brand individuals as "tea-partiers" and put some sort of label on them.
Then you wish to restrict their rights: their rights to be elected if the populace elects them; their right to free speech; etc.
Then you MURDER THEM!!!
... Good job on BEING HITLER, LOVEMYCHRIS!!!
(I hope this sheds some light on the debate)
They are a dangerous cult, and the sooner we realize this, the better.
That man who was shot by Loghner said there is a tea-party crime syndicate.
You don't have to try hard to convince me...their actions and their words speak for them, Lock Stock and Barrell.
Tom "The hammer" Delay: "I AM the Federal Government!"
"This isn't a joke. This poor woman is being terrorized , and remember what happened to Dr. George Tiller after O'Reilly declared jihad on him?"
There is a similarity between the anti-Obama Care propganda and anti-semitic lies spewed by Goebbels and Hitler leading up to World War II. However, the use of the analogy didn't do much to tone the rhetoric down. Not a good idea.
"June 2010, Beck told his audience that Democrats like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi had used progressive revolutionaries to gain power and that the only way to stop them would be to "shoot them in the head."
He used his professor's board, of course, on which he prominantly placed a swastika...alluding to the fact that Obama and Pelosi were Nazi's, I geuss!
Errr, did HE ever apologize???
"shoot them in the head"....eeerie, huh?
Someone needs to stop that monster Beck.
That's actually a threat to the president and speaker.....I thought we all were under surveillance for such things?
"Someone needs to stop that monster Beck."
Yes, by gum, we'd better stop him from saying stuff! Someone might get talked to death.
Look, he says distasteful stuff, to be sure, but it's be just as wrong--worse, actually--to try to silence him for saying stuff we find distasteful.
If he actually hurts someone, then he should be prosecuted for that crime, and that crime only. Being a loudmouth jerk isn't a crime.
Jeff, kudos on the consistency regarding the First Amendment. "Oh No, someone said something I don't like - THEY MUST BE STOPPED!!!" has become a chat in our culture that is very frightening in its scope and it enshrinement in things like university speech codes and sensitivity rules. I trust that people will tune away from those things that they do not want to hear or watch - just as I do MTV or ESPN-Radio.
Here's the worst I've seen: "White Men with Guns: Reconstruction Redux"
http://open.salon.com/blog/keka/2010/10 … _with_guns
Funny what people consider "free". Seems hate is free as the wind, but not other things....like, there are 7 words you cannot say on the public airwaves. None of which involve killing anybody.
WASHINGTON (CNN) - Indecent material broadcast on Howard Stern's radio show may cost six Clear Channel stations a total of $495,000, the Federal Communication Commission said Thursday, prompting the radio chain to drop Stern's show from six stations.
The FCC voted to fine Clear Channel the maximum amount of $27,500 for each of 18 violations.
"Mr. Stern's show has created a great liability for us and other broadcasters who air it," said John Hogan, president and CEO of Clear Channel Radio, in a news release. "The Congress and the FCC are even beginning to look at revoking station licenses. That's a risk we're just not willing to take."
The Howard Stern show is known for sexually explicit and graphic discussions.
Stern, in a statement posted on his Web site, said he was not surprised by Clear Channel's decision to drop his program and accused the FCC of conducting a "McCarthy-type witch hunt."
"It is pretty shocking that governmental interference into our rights and free speech takes place in the U.S.," Stern said. "It's hard to reconcile this with the 'land of the free' and the 'home of the brave.' "
Free speech? Not for sexually explicit material. Not for 7 swear words. But Ok for strangling, shooting in the head, and sousing gasoline down someone's throat? What the is wrong with this picture?
Oh, and btw, it was a Republican FCC that was doing all this censoring of speech. Funny how all we ever hear about is the Fairness Doctrine, which doesn't even exist anymore.
Anyone care to comment on the censoring of Stern, while allowing Beck free reign?
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