Obama does not get it

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Mishaposted 13 years ago
Interesting article by Al-Jazeera about consequences of Middle-Eastern revolutions...

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op … 70383.html
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  wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think he does get it. He decieves and lies. He pretends to be for Israel. The man lies like there is no tomorrow.
  
  I think he relayed his true beliefs as he stated in one of his books. He said that he will always side with Islam; and I would add that their Shariah law is far, far, from democracy as we know it.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Israel needs to make peace with the Palestinians and end the occupation. When Netanyahu made the claim that Israel belonged to the Israelis and not the Palestinians does not take into account that the Romans dispersed the Israelis and the Palestinians had legal title to the land.
  
  Until this injustice is ended by reparations and a second state, Israel will incur the wrath of world opinion.
  
  Having said that, if Israel did establish the second state, and did her part, and then the Arab world and Iran still opposed the existence of Israel, it would be like calling their bluff.
  
  Israel must remove herself as the prime cause against peace. Netanyahu is a very, very arrogant fellow. He says people are doing well in the Palestinian camps and we know that is a lie.
  
  He needs to make peace, and then if the Arab world or Iran don't come around then the point against peace will shift away from Israel and onto her adversaries.
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  Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Having said that, if Israel did establish the second state, and did her part, and then the Arab world and Iran still opposed the existence of Israel, it would be like calling their bluff. "
  
  I seem to recall that Israel did exactly this some two decades ago and Palestine wasn't interested. Nor were the other states. They actually wanted the Israelis to get up (every single one of them) and leave the land and go somewhere else...
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True, but Arafat is gone. And Hamas does not control the west bank. They need to start there.
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  Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, the last time it was proved that the only solution that the Arab world would accept was the complete obliteration of Israel, it was stalemate.
  What's going to happen this time?
  
  So, if Israel is wiped off the face of the earth, will there be peace??? Or will some other pariah emerge?
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do not advocate Israel being wiped off the earth. I advocate Israel removing herself from the wrath of world opinion so that if there is aggression, there can be no doubt Israel is not at fault.
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  Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @bgamil. Forgive me, I am amused.
  
  America gets one tiny little bombing 9/11 and goes to war.
  
  Israel is bombed every single day and has been for more than four decades. The smaller attacks just aren't publicized, that is all.
  
  She has tried, repeatedly, to make peace with the Palestinians. She offered them their own state a few decades ago. They didn't want it.
  
  This path has been gone down repeatedly.
  
  Israel keeps changing policy towards the Palestinians because they will not accept anything but her complete demise.
  
  Israel has in the past stopped all aggression. Palestinian aggression however did NOT stop. They kept on with the terrorist attacks - every single day.
  
  Can you imagine America doing that?
  
  I think not.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Let me let you in on a little secret. 911 was an excuse to go to war, a false flag. I have said numerous places that the Taliban went to Texas in December of 1997 but then refused to build a pipeline through Afghanistan to the Caspian Sea. Halliburton and HW Bush had investments in the Caspian Sea.
  
  Cheney and W had motive for 911, knowing the investments would fail without war. And Cheney and Jeb Bush were members of PNAC, the neocon group who posted on their website that a new Pearl Harbor would be needed to speed US into the middle east.
  
  Cheney and W had both motive and knowledge of 911. If you have motives and knowledge of a crime beforehand, you are a suspect, unless you are the power of this world.
  
  Oh, and BTW, not all Palestinians are like Hamas. Some do not seek the demise of Israel. Even Netanyahu said that in the CNN interview the other night.
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  Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I fully understand that not all Palestinians are like Hamas. And not all Americans are like Halliburton. Nevertheless, until the small fry brings down the big fish, those big fish remain the decision makers for the rest of them.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It should also be noted that Hamas is not considered a terrorist organisation in the eyes of most of the developed world, in fact only the English speaking world.
  
  And even then, it is only the military arm of Hamas which is considered a 'terrorist organisation'. Which is somewhat ironic, seeing as Hamas are one of the few democratically elected governments in the Middle East.
  
  How the military of the official government can be considered "terrorists" is beyond me. If that is the case then so is the US military, the UK military, and every military in the world. Of course, most of the Middle East DOES consider the Americans and the British to be terrorists. And perhaps justifiably so.
  
  If you ask me the real evil in this world lies in Israel, and perhaps North Korea. Neither do I consider Iran to be a rogue state, I see them as a state seeking to protect their heritage and their sovereignty from the very real threat of western infiltration.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No Misha, he knows that there are elements in the revolutions that are against us. But if we make the same mistake as we did when we supported the Shah of Iran, we will be on the wrong side of the revolutions.
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logic,commonsenseposted 13 years ago
Never has and probably never will. Can only see to the end of his nose.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But he knows more than the Republicans. As bad a president as he is, the Republicans have no better choices. Mitt, or Mutt? Or Huckleberry? Or Palin?
  
  Funny how there are no real Republican leaders.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"So unless Obama is talking about ending the US occupation of Iraq and the Israeli occupation of Palestine, why would he imagine that the Arab revolutionaries who rose against their oppressors would be natural allies of the US?"

Exactly.The whole idea of "Democracy",envisioned by AmerIsrael is miltary occupation. 60 yrs and counting for the Palestinians.

"He said that he will always side with Islam"
As in always take their concerns into consideration?
As in think of them equally in negotiations?

Or are you saying Obama is a muslim-in-diguise?
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lady_love158posted 13 years ago
No Obama gets it... he fully intends to sacrifice Israel to get the Muslim countries to like us.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well I agree with author this time...obama is not getting actual scenario...he is either ill informed or here fails to understand...
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Israel is the roadblock to peace at this point. Israel has to remove herself from that position and call the bluff of the Iranians and of the Arab world. If Israel does all she can, and then if it isn't establishing peace, the Arabs and the Iranians will bear the brunt of world opinion. But as of now, they are not.
  
  Until Israel makes peace, she is on the wrong side of world opinion. Whether you support the existence of that country or not, you can see that my point is obvious.
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BillyDRitchieposted 13 years ago
Obama is so far in over his head that I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Seeing what it is doing to our country, I'm opting for the latter....
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  Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From the time Obama stepped his 'black' foot into office I sensed that despite being an unusually articulate and intelligent US President, he would simply be thrown to the dogs. So has been the case. This seems even more remarkable in light of the half-witted, warmongering buffoon that he superseded.
  
  Do you really think the President actually runs the country? You simply vote for a face and voice not a true political leader. Obama's election was inevitable as was Bush's before him when war was on the agenda. America needed to repair its damaged Worldwide persona after the butchery of the Bush regime and Obama fitted the bill. Believe me it was always intended for him to be a stop-gap.
  
  No recent US president has actually run anything. Think about it, how could someone with Bush's Neanderthal-like intelligence actually make decisions that effect an entire Nation if not the World? He could barely read not to mention articulate a sentence and had no idea about anything outside of the USA.
  
  What is going on in the Middle East is a new internet style divide and conquer where these countries citizens have been stirred over a prolonged period of time and triggered into action in a synchronised manner. The old invade and kill method has proven too un-PC for the modern World. Getting the people to up-rise is more subtle and like in the case of Gaddafi whose usefulness expired a long time ago, invasion can take place under the guise of protecting its people. Bahrain is a strategically important spot amongst Western supported sheikdoms/ oilfields where I am sure the remit is to suppress any rebellion swiftly and conclusively.
  
  There are greater powers at work which has nothing to do with Obama.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The international bankers and big oil, connected at the hip through the Rockefellers, etc, are in charge.
  
  We have a fascist state, where the corporations are in charge.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Best answer.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Consentio!
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Glad that you agree
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Make sense, isn't it?
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  + 1. Hell + 10
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DannyMaioposted 13 years ago
I would be the first to admit Bush has made many mistakes, but the man was and is far from stupid! If we did not have Sept 11 and no war Bush would have been fine. I never liked Cheney, seems like a sneaky dude to me. I did like Clinton a lot! thought he was very fair with both sides and I will discard the Monica thing! to me that is personal. Bush Sr. too weak in my eyes, Reagan...Now that was a good guy! Carter, BAD! Ford OK, Nixon questionable. Obama, very bad! has no clue and lies more than the rug in my home. I was hoping he would be good and make a real difference but he will never, he has his agenda and not swaying. just read his books and if you still do not believe he is a socialist you really need to go back to school. he says it himself and how about dedicating one of those books to Reverend Wright? do you really believe he didn't know what he was preaching? shame on you if you believe that.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bush caused 911. Read my hubs about him and ww3.
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  DannyMaioposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  come on you can not believe that nonsense! he made plenty of mistakes but he did not cause 9/11. do you want me to believe thousands of people had to be involved in something that big and not one person is talking??? could never happen. if it could have been done with 10 people tops maybe but this would have taken hundreds if not thousands of people. too much involved. do you believe we didn't go to the moon either?
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you didn't know that the Taliban went to Texas as guests of Unocal in December 1997. They were unable to get the Taliban on board for a pipeline to Bush Sr. and Halliburton investments in the Caspian Sea. When Cheney/Bush took over, they hatched a plan to actually motivate the people to go to war. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
  
  So, it happened that Cheney and Jeb Bush were members of PNAC, cofounded by Bill Krystol of Fox, whose dad was a follower of Leo Strauss. Leo Strauss taught Wolfowitz at the U of Chcago that you keep the shell of democracy but lie to the masses. Turns out PNAC put on their website in 2000 a statement that with a "new Pearl Harbor", the US could invade the middle east much more quickly.
  
  Cheney and Bush had both motive and knowledge of 911 beforehand. If you have motive and knowledge, chances are you are guilty of a crime.
  
  Now, take a look at the side by side video to seal my theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qK4j32iuo
  
  If you don't believe this conspiracy, you are the tin foil, Danny.
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  DannyMaioposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sorry, the dust will fly the same way regardless if demolished or just fell, that is normal. also WTC 7 sustained damage near the baseline at the south-end. This happened when the north tower fell on it creating a 20 story hole as reported by Fire Fighter Chris Boyle. Pictures and video substantiate that fact. too many people would have had to been involved to plant all those devices, the planes, just way too much stuff. someone would have spilled the beans. you did not answer do you also believe we never went to the moon and that was a TV hoax??
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, it is not normal. Buildings that fall at near the rate of gravity MUST be detonated. They cannot fall that way due to fire. In fact, no other fires have ever taken down skyscrapers. Ever. That side by side proves detonation.
  
  No one is going to spill the beans. First, most people involved were likely aware of possible hijackings. But only a few were aware of where the planes were going.
  
  You did know that the person in charge of the security cameras of the WTC was Marvin Bush, George Bush's youngest brother, but his last day of his contract was 911 and his successor died in the crash and collapse.
  
  The side by side I showed you was the WTC7 that was not hit by a plane but came down later.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And I guess you hadn't heard about operation northwoods, where they were going to attack American citizens and blame it on the Cubans. Kennedy vetoed the military on that one. The military has already thought of attacking our own citizens. It was declassified and is fact.
  
  Oh, and they were going to use an airplane by remote control to do it.
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  Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  911 was predetermined. Anyone who cannot see that is blind or wishes to keep their eyes closed. We are talking Global power games here. Bush was a dunce but had the ignorant warring legacy of his family so was the ideal candidate to lead the planned invasion of Iraq. Do you not recall how he came to office despite appearing to lose the election. The NYSE was completely prepared for the event as were US army forces whose deployment to Iraq happened within relative moments after 911. Oil and control of the Middle East is the agenda.
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  DannyMaioposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  maybe the oil was a big reason for Iraq, I will not doubt this, but to say he orchestrated 9/11 is a fetch. as I stated toooooooo many people had to be involved and someone would have spilled the beans. No way did bush plan this! not a chance, too many things and too many people would have had to be involved and it is not even conceivable. I never liked Bush and voted against him. I knew the Iraq war was BS but could never see them putting 9/11 together. I would need real serious proof and at least someone that was involved.
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  Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dream on. 2 (not just 1) planes flew across the Atlantic unabated and crashed into the top of each of the twin towers resulting in their complete collapses. Pictures of the planes remain vague to say the least. Then there was the symbolic near miss on the White House. Wake up and smell the coffee.
  
  The undermining of Saddam had been taking place over the previous decade resulting in the voice of Muslims in the region becoming more prominent. A greater appreciation of the shenanigans of the World super powers after the first Iraq invasion led to a growing public opinion favouring diplomatic solutions rather military. The USA, Britain and the increasingly troubled powers that govern them (us) needed a seismic event to galvanise public support for military action before an invasion and 911 was the manifestation of those plans.
  
  Since then we have seen the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and if not for the Iranians taking the initiative of arming themselves with a nuclear deterrent, they were next on the agenda. Via the internet particularly, other Arab states have been undermined by getting to the people on the street and a further part of the grand plan is now in full swing with the trigger of domino-effect uprisings.
  
  It was clear that Gaddafi would become quickly suspicious of any such events in Libya and the inevitability of the actions he would be required to take. Like checkmate, the said super powers would then have the ideal excuse to invade and take control under the guise of protecting the citizens from their maddened dictator. It will be interesting to observe the manoeuvring on this one. My understanding is that contrary to general perceptions, Libya is an affluent society where up 70% of people support Gaddafi so why this sudden rebellion? Egypt and Tunisia were always going to be fairly tepid affairs while there is a clear remit to crush any thought of revolution in Bahrain and the other small oil Sheikdoms that are already in cahoots with the dominant Global forces.
  
  I suspect you will regard this as 'conspiracy' theory. I see it as having my eyes wide open to the sequence of events I see unfolding. Like everyone else, Obama is just a pawn.
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  DannyMaioposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  some of what you say i have my suspicions also. I do believe they used 9/11 to justify going to Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11. but I do not believe bush orchestrated 9/11 and I live in NY and have people I know who work in the city and they seen the second plane go into the building. the first was actually caught by a fire dept practice drill. and the planes weren't over the Atlantic they flew from Boston.
  
  As far as Obama being a puppet, yes I believe that also. I do not believe in his ideology and think he is a lying snake. I'm a registered Democrat and wanted him to do well and was hoping for real change, we did not get it! I read his books and he is a socialist! his own words and him dedicating his book to Reverend Wright is just the icing on the cake and this man says he did not know what he was saying for 20 years and you dedicate the book to him??? things are not perfect here in the USA but why change something that has been the greatest country in the world?
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  Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Obama has taken over presidency at a time when much bigger Global issues are afoot. The opportunity to effect radical changes on a domestic level are highly improbable in such circumstances and he has no license to do so during the short tenure prescribed to him. So why are you so hung up on the pettiness of what was said 20 years ago? Can someone not have a change of opinion?
  
  The greatest country in the World is based on one's perspective. I would suggest the most powerful as more befitting.
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  DannyMaioposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes i could forgive what was said 20 years ago if the person changed. he has not changed. guess you didnt read his books or who he has around him? that speaks for itself. and just for the record we had presidents who handled much more than he has right now! REAGAN KENNEDY AFTER WW1 and 2 and the depression those presidents had much worse. and yes the most powerful and well use to be the most admired and greatest!!!
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  Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  DannyMaio - you are delusional
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Building seven was obviously a take down. The others were certainly demolitions. No steel frame building in history has ever fallen from fire. Walla - three in one day. You forgot Skull and Bones.
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Obama does not get it? Neither do 90% of the citizens of the country either.

So, I guess him and them, are on the same footing.
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  DannyMaioposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i doubt that 90% are with him.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's not what my statement said.
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barryrutherfordposted 13 years ago
When Israel withdraws its illegal settlements in the West Bank & gets serious about peace talks then it can get on with business as usual.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Land for Peace" has never been honored by the Israeli's. And no one makes them.
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pylos26posted 13 years ago
Rabine was genuinely seeking peace and the fools killed him.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Many people have swallowed Israel's propaganda, IMO.
The only people I see being wiped out are the Palestinians.
Operation Cast Lead was an atrocity....
As was the attack on that flotilla.
What do you think would happen if ANY one else had shot an American kid in the back of the head?????

This is a twisting of the truth more epic than any I've seen...although we have our share here.
Native slaughter, Slavery.

watch this: it is what really happens there.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 119784930#

Also was a documentary called Occupation 101...seems to be hard to access anymore. But also "the real, awful truth"...
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Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago
We're declaring war with another Oil-Rich Muslim Country?

Wow! Who'da thunk it?!
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
I happen to agree completely with what Wright said.
People on alternative web-sites have been saying the same for years....I started hitting them in the early 90's, and that stuff was already old news.

I'm glad Obama was there...it shows me that he's not falling for the status-quo.
And, I think it sucks that he dis-engaged himself from it, but I understand why.
America is not willing to look at herself honestly.
He had to placate the "we are the greatest country in the world" crowd.

Just like I was excited that we could have had a 9/11 truther in there...Van Jones. AND a green energy guy!
But no, you see what Beckles did to him. Same as Breitbutt did to ACORN, and Shirley Jones.

They are destroyers. That is their mission. Period.

But,if only one good thing has come from these people who hate Obama, at LEAST they are willing to admit there is subterfuge going on in our gvt....they never would admit it before.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
It's also funny how Obama can be a socialist,a communist, and a fascist all at the same time.
AND many Dems think he is a corporate stooge!!

Just pick the term, whichever you hate the most....then pin it on him.
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  Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How about articulate and intelligent or are those ones not allowed?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those qualities get drowned out by the opposition.
  As long as you're pro-war, pro-guns, pro-their religion, pro-business--you're a-ok.
  Intelligence does not factor into it. It's their way or the high-way. That's about it.
  
  Oh, and mean too. Mean and Nasty. That's a big plus. Gentle people who don't worship guns, and don't spout a particular religion are looked on as weak.
  
  Such big bullies have run rough-shod over everybody.
  Gentleness and kindness are looked on as bad things. It's too bad.
  
  The fact that Tammy Bruce could call Michelle Obama trash.....and no one said a word....I don't know when these brutes took over exactly, but I really long for the day when they are gone.
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  Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They took over around 2000 years ago when a certain story elaborated from Egyptian/Sumerian beliefs positioned a particular historical figure as the son of god to whom we needed to give up our souls or face eternal punishment.
  
  The story continues...
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John Holdenposted 13 years ago
Danny, both Reagan and Kennedy were well after WWII and the great depression!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey John, I think you jumped the gun on this one. There is nothing in Danny's statement that said it was beforehand.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "REAGAN KENNEDY AFTER WW1 and 2 and the depression"
  
  Sorry, I can't read that any other way, Cags.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Both are after, just like you said. But, so did he. So were you agreeing?
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm reading it as being after, as in immediately after, not decades after. Reading it in context with the rest of the post it's the only way that makes any sense to me, otherwise, well, you could say that Reagan and Kennedy had it tough after the American revolution!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, in fact, you would be right about Reagan and Kennedy having it tough after the American Revolution.
  
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The bigger question is who had it tougher between Kennedy and Reagan? Kennedy was assassinated, which he was dead instantly and Reagan suffer from mental disease which took his life?
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