When most people in the Religious community hear of one that smoke's marijuana these people often talk of how these "POT HEADS" are going to hell and there is absolutely no hope for them.
When reading the bible recently i read certain verse that caught my attention. In which god states to take all the seed barring plants on the earth and use them for cooking, medicine, and so on. Am I reading into this for my own means or do we actually have the right use this plant in this way?
Would really enjoy some different views on this.
You are reading them correctly and smoking marijuana is not a sin as it is a natural herb. Although I do not use it, I certainly understand it purpose.
Legal or illegal in a country does not define a plant's usefulness. Marijuana has many wonderful uses. In Nepal, it is used as a cooking oil, or was in the 1970's.
One of my favorite herbs, Arnica, is illegal in India (or was, when I first researched it several years ago). Does that make it bad? No, although used wrong, it can be deadly. Used correctly, it is a wonderful pain reliever/healer.
As to your rights and the Bible, in the New Testament, Christians are instructed to obey the laws of the land as long as they do not impose on God's laws.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law." -Galatians 5:22,23
Ivorwen- I quote this scripture almost daily...good advice!
ha ha GOOD! thats what I wanted to say but coudln't put it right. The real question was "is it a SIN?" not ...do you like it, or do you think it should be illegal. it all depends on your country. If its illegal,like it or not, agree with it or not, your not supposed to break the law.
Halajuja God for fields overgrowing with canibis. If the whole world partook in the natural healing and peace inducing properties of the canibis the entire world would indulge in laughter, peace and an Almighty Feast that I think even God would be happy to join, shute... God would prolly bring the wine!
Smoking Marijuana is not a sin, it's illegal! And, according to most, not good for your brain
What "community" is that, and have you actually heard people say that to you?
not at all, there are no sin on earth, because there are only sin. smoking it never make you bad, but addiction to it will make you lost your dignity thats all, simple
Whoa?... I hope its forgivable.... or I am toasted.
I'm not religious and did not read the Bible, but I assume that decision who is gonna go to Hell is not made by 'people in the Religious community'. Shouldn't they be more worried about their own actions, then about who is smoking pot?
no it's not a sin. i don't do it but if it was legal i would grow the plants. they are very pretty.
It's not a sin.
Fruit shall be for man's meat, the leaf for man's medicine
12.....and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
If it is against the law and breaking that law is a sin then yes it is. However, if it is legal for yo to use it--somewhere--then no it's not.
Could you tell me what you consider a sin??
If the law said you can not worship God, would it be a sin to do so?
It's not MY place to define sin.
I don't answer can God make a rock so heavy He can't lift it questions--sorry.
If God doesn't want you to break the law and you break it then you have sinned.
However, if you smoke pot legally then it is not a sin.
There is no law of God's against it and where does it say not to break man's law? Many people think Scripture says this but it doesn't.
Asking you what is sin, is not the same as "can God make a rock he can't pick up" Sin is clearly defined.
The rock remark was made in reference to your OTHER question.
I can assure you that while I may not have used words that are not invulnerable to a semantics argument the Bible does make it clear that we are not to break the law.
I am not here to argue semantics I am simply saying that if you smoke pot somewhere where it is legal then NO yo are not sinning in any way, shape or form. However, if you smoke it somewhere where you are breaking the law then-ye-this would be a problem.
Can you give Scripture on the breaking of the Law?
Are you speaking of the infamous quote "Render unto Caesar"?
I would assume that the reference is the following one:
Romans 13 - 1:3
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities.
For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil.
Do you want to be unafraid of the authority?
Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
and as to any prohibition on MaryJ, whoever want to make it a sin needs to deal with the following first:
Mark 7 14:23
When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear Me, everyone, and understand:
There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!”
When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable.
So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also?
Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”
And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.
All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
Now whenever I bring this to the Pharisees, over diet or smoking (weed or ciggies) or alcohol, they have to back down, for it cannot be denied, Christ tells us, and reiterates it to the dull witted, thet NOTHING will DEFILE... so how can one say no smoking, drinking or eating 'wrong' things... unless you are promoting the doctrines of devils mentioned in scripture:
1 Timothy 4 - 1:5
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
So.... something that you eat or consume ONLY becomes a sin to you IF you cannot receive it with thanksgiving; for then it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
So if you BELIEVE it to be sin, then don't do it, but if you have the peace that passes all understanding ion your heart, and live in the liberty of Christ, give thanks and enjoy ALL things in moderation.
Now I will add rider to this:
1. New believers (novices) should not do those things that were an addiction or bad habit in their past life, until they are 100% secure into the kingdom of God, i.e. they have a real and unquestionable relationships with Christ and the Holy Spirit and have dealt with their personal demons.
2. All things in moderation (including moderation) and I would not personally accept that anything I did which became a daily habit was necessarily a good thing, i.e. as long as you can control the issue it's fine, the moment the issue controls you, stop it. Having said that I write with a mug of tea besides me each day! - and often take a whiskey shot at night, but the whiskey is not every night, whereas the tea is every day... but I thank God for His liberty to enjoy...
3. If I have been drinking alcohol or smoked anything (and I don't smoke, but I do work with homeless folk, and I consider it judgmental if I say to them "Sorry, I don't SMOKE" when they offer their scant supplies of baccy)it is not safe to minister to anybody when your spiritual self is exposed to any outside forces, and both alcohol and dope can expose you IF you are not able to do so with THANKSGIVING...
Sorry,folks. My purpose with some of the questions iI see in forum is just to give the best most simplest answer not to stir up trouble. (That's why I have some of my hubs!)
I am simply saying that if no law is broken then I don't know if I would consider it a sin per se. Speak to someone who is catholic regarding what happens if you smoke pot somewhere where it is illegal.
Of course we do I mean I really dont belive all of that bible jargon but if you do read the part that says partake of the fruits of the land. Besides , what about all those syntetic drugs the pharmacy provides? I mean if a bit of pot sends you to hell imagine all those people partaking in prescription drugs are they going to hell too?
I doubt that god would recommend that people smoke marijuana. lol. Marijuana is harmful to yourself if you smoke all the time. I wrote an article about a few days ago, after giving up after 5 years smoking all day every day.
Marijuana does more damage than most people realize or care to admit.
no smoking weed is not a sin. just because somethingis illegal i does not make it a sin. now see in my opinion, god created the earth weed comes from the earth and always has god has the power to make it stop growing if he diddnt want it in the first place it wouldnt grow from the earth that god created
Unless SATAN planted drug plants afterwards LOL!
Main reason it is illegal is because the pharmaceutical companies can distribute their drugs and make money from their man made produce. on a side note, the drug barons also make big money from selling illegal substances which a proportion allegedly goes back into the hands of the elite, tax free to fund black projects. It is well documented that the CIA throughout modern history has helped produce and distribute opium, especially heroin trafficking during the Vietnam war.
By making drugs illegal, money can be made by exploiting natural resources which also keeps the pharmaceutical industry in big business. By not educating the people on natural forms of healing they can brainwash people into buying man made products that generally do more harm than good. At the same time these substances play around with the mind and lower awareness and intuition.
The biggest con ever was getting people to pump crap into their bodies that mess around with people's immune system.
People who regularly take subscribed pills and medicine always receive side effects or other symptoms of illness.
Those who do not take medicines or subject themselves to man made drugs that are pumped regular into their bodies are usually the fittest and healthiest people and these people use natural chemicals within their body to heal disease and illness. Their immune systems are stronger and more functional.
I very rare take any form of medicine, if I get an headache I let it heal naturally within by resting my mind, I never take headache pills or any form of pills when coming down with a fever. I let my body naturally heal with the help of mind over matter to speed up the healing process.
The secret is that we ALL have the ability to heal ourselves within but people have been tricked into not using their natural instincts and immune system to overcome illness and pain. They have been made to believe taking pills and drugs are the answer to stop pain and disease.
Herbal medicines are more potent and healthier than biological substances created in laboratory. Natural extracts from plants are more beneficial to the body than combined chemicals and white powders that contain toxins. The same can be said with foods, additives and preservatives mess around with the mind and body. People are forever getting bombarded by toxins and chemicals that slowly deteriorate the mind and body.
If you don't believe me do some research, but be prepared to find out some shocking truths.
Hello Deborah by the way:-)
I love your mind!
Update: I like your sense of humor too...(ref. scary mary)
I belief it is sin, but don't care if others do it.
I think it is used from boring lifestyule.
Smoking pot is not a sin. That is a silly thought.
You shouldn't be using some book to decide what's right and what's wrong. We all know what's right and what's wrong -- if it does serious damage to someone else it's wrong. If it strips you of your dignity on a long-term basis it's wrong.
Pot smoking is therefore not wrong. Driving under the influence is wrong. Using too much of it so that it affects your life in a substantial way is beneath your dignity. But on the whole it is no more wrong than eating cake, or drinking soda.
Careful not to confuse human interpertations and narrow views with God.
Its not a sin. its how its mis-used. Doctors uses it for remedies. However, they need to administer it in there office in a careful setting, when its safe for them to leave there office when they can focus better, they can leave. You hear all the time, where Doctors prescribes it to them, they end up mis-using it at home.
You see it all the time in the news. Cops bust people for trying to make the stuff. Or selling it. Very sad.
This is exactly why I have an office in my home. In fact, my whole farm is an office. You can make the stuff?
I think the medical usage of marijuana would actually be a great idea. Emphasis on medical.
In the proper "dosage", controlled dosage and factors like other medicines.
The great thing about marijuana as a medicine is the fact that it is absolutly safe. Also it is one of the only medicines that is very easily dosage controlled by the user. Most only smoke/ingest what they need to achieve the medicinal effect needed. That can be different for each individual. So there is no need whatsoever to be concerned about "proper dosage" or "controlled dosage".
Concerning whether it is a "sin" or not, there isn't anything in the world that is in itself "sinful". Sin is determined by the intent and motivation of the person using/doing the act or substance.
well it depends on the stuff
send me some and I will tell you
Just because something is illegal it doesn't mean it's a sin. No one has ever died smoking pot. You cant say that about a lot of legal drugs given out by your local physician.
This is one of the most stupid laws our country has on the books. I know so many people taking xanax, valium, oxycotin, and other chemicals, who look down on pot smokers when they are putting these addicted legal drugs into their bodies.
Our country spends millions of dollars trying to stop something people want and can find with very little trouble. What is wrong with smoking pot in your own home if you like?
So true. I have never smoked pot - don't smoke cigarettes either. I think it has some benefits in medicine that would be less harmful than many drugs being prescribed today. And can't see how it is any more, maybe less, harmful than alcohol and cigarettes.
As for is it a sin - "do all things in moderation."
OMG, i hope you are kidding... i think thats the most ignorant thing i have ever heard in my entire life.
How dare you mock my god. Good luck staying afloat in the lake of fire. I hate the sin you committed but I love you. It's a shame you didn't read the book of FSM before posting your blasphemy.
Haha, awesomely funny. But, also, thats like saying sex is a sin.
Which it is not. But no, God gave man all herbs.
I'd have to agree with Randy. Marijuana would eliminate the need for some of the more dangerous prescription drugs that he mentioned.
The plant is a gem! It has cost the US and Australian Governments a fortune to promote it! If they left it alone it would probably just go away as a rec drug.By the way, it is Billions not millions the war on drugs costs.
I can look at your pic and tell you partake of the worlds finest bud. lol
I will not declare if I do or do not partake in such things i really just wanted to learn what some other people views were for sake of conversation.
I didn't mean to offend you, I just know that sign LOL, I am old enough to be your mother, you don't have to be coy, it's ok I want tell!
lol, well yes I do partake but not as much as I used to. I have my medical license for of course , medical reasons ( duh ), but it does not hinder my life in any way. I do not smoke while i work, I'm a waiter, nor do I smoke before I go to work. I use it like some use alcohol, to merely relax and to kill pain. I dont use it as a crutch and hate those that do. I just wanted to know, Am I going to hell for it?
Why so worried about going to hell, man. Are you dying or something? You spoke of having a med' licence? I don't know, you don't have to say anything.
No. You are definitely not going to hell for it.
But we can go to hell if we dont love our neighbours as ourselves.
God doesn't give a toss about marijuana im certain.
I used to partake myself. On a personal level I had some guilty and sometimes anxious feelings. So, I decided to quit. None could say if it is a sin or not. It is against the law where I live and most others as well, but I would say if you listen to your heart you will make the right choice for yourself.
Yes,Yes you are...
The bright side is you wont have to buy any lighters down there with the rest of us...
no your not goin to hell , if god is all merciful and loving like the bible says , and sent the jesus guy then there wouldnt be a hell anyway so dont worry about it , Smoke up man
hell is not mentioned in the bible....
that was a Joke.
Every generation seems to think they invented smoking pot lol.
I used to listen to a Korean war vet tell stories about $10 dollar ounces of weed that would put today's stuff to shame.that was 37 years ogo.
She's right though,Toke up and don't worry about it dude...
First, let's clear up what hell is, since you've probably been lied to about it your whole life. The word that we translate as "hell" is originally (most often) in Hebrew "Sheol." That word, sheol (hell) means "grave," NOT somewhere that people are tortured forever. So, everyone goes to hell eventually, because everyone dies and goes to the grave.
Second, because of the command not to defile your "temple," which is your body, using marijuana can be considered a sin, BUT it would be considered a sin of the flesh (as opposed to a sin of the spirit, i.e., denying God); many of God's people had problems with sins of the flesh, and God loved them and forgave them anyway.
We all have things that keep us from being everything we could be in the eyes of God, but it's okay; that's what we're here to learn to deal with. Talk with God, pray about it, and He will help you do what you need to.
I know so many people from all walks of life who smoke pot on a regular basis. Doctors, lawyers, teachers, police, judges, preachers, all are represented by regular pot smokers. This is why I say it is a stupid law. Why does anyone care if someone else smokes pot? I just don't get it!
Only God knows that but I am quite sure you won't. I have studied the bible on the subject (years ago) and it didn't mention it as THC or marijuana but they were smoking something. There are alot more drugs out there that THC#5 (you should know with license and all). I had a brother die of smoking a piece of dope. His brained turned to spaghetti instantly. My oldest brother was hit by a drunk driver and is now disabled and my sister died of opiates. I wouldn't touch any of those three if my life dependeded on it. Marijuana has a lot of good medicinal uses and if you use it just of chill, at least it is not going to kill you, make you kill someone else or disable them. Actually people are not violent at all. I personally think they should put it in a mosquito sprayer and ride around all night.
Glaucoma is hereditary in my family. Smoking marijuana lowers the pressure in a persons eyes and keeps the optic nerve from being damaged. Many members of my family have the disease. I have watched as several became completely blind because of the disease.
My glaucoma is controlled by putting drops in my eyes a couple of times a day. The two types of drops I use come in tiny little bottles at a cost of $60.00 each, and this is with insurance. A pint of either medicine would cost upwards of $25,000. If pot were legal it would cost very little or nothing. Beside this, it changes the color of my eyes and burns like crazy.
I completely agree with you on this point. The government has been fighting for decades to stop marijuana from being completely legalized across the nation even though it has been shown to help many forms of cancer as well several other life altering disease's. I think they are afraid because they would have no real means of controlling such a substance if made legal to the general public.
I think as far as it being sinful, that depends on what your religion or beliefs tells you I guess.
No god=no sin. ie If you do not believe in sin, you are all clear!
I do not know of anything in the Bible or Koran that tells you not to soak up some delta9.
Dori, I don't think your brother was smoking marijuana if his brain turned to spaghetti, maybe something else, but not pot.
The Bible clearly states that harming your body (God's temple) is a sin.
That said, there is no proof that marijuana does harm to the body, and there is clear evidence pointing to it being NON-addictive. Additionally, marijuana has many proven medical applications.
There is an argument for the sinfulness of imbibing excess alcohol or using tobacco products as they are addictive and cause many health problems if used in excess over long periods of time. Alcohol is legal, it cost the government a lot more when it was illegal so they legalized and taxed it. Tobacco raises amazing amounts in taxes and "stop smoking" related products.
Marijuana is easy to grow in one's home and, if legalized, would likely fetch low prices and earn the government next to nothing. At this time marijuana is earning money for many people, including criminal lawyers, and perpetuating the need for larger prisons and therefore the employment of more personnel.
Look at the statistics of alcohol- and tobacco-related deaths or serious illness compared to those related to marijuana. The government doesn't outlaw marijuana because it's dangerous, it outlaws it because it is profitable to do so.
In short, a strict reading of the Bible reveals that anything that harms the body is a sin. For the majority of cases, this means that the use of marijuana is not a sin.
Excuse me, but one joint is equal to a pack of cigs...........
It most definately is addictave, I have a cousin who wakes up in the middle of the night to smoke pot. That's addiction! Another good reason to keep it illegal is the fact that if it becomes comercialized they will undoubtedly target children for the same reasons as they do with cigarettes. Adults don't just begin smoking for petty reasons, but kids do because they are much more susceptable to peer pressure.
Nothing that grows from God's Green Earth naturally could be a sin.
God's temple isnt the body it is the soul.
Randy, I know, I said dope. Pot is not dope it is herb. It was crack, that is dope, or at least it is to me.
Thanks dori, I figured it was crack. But some people think smoking dope means pot.
well perhaps we ought to make food illegal since obesity kills lots more people than pot. And have you noticed how fat the kids are nowadays. Can't their parents keep them away from these addictive burger and pizza joints?
C'mon Onusonus, I know people who wake up in the middle of the night to choke down a sandwich, just because your cousin has a problem with pot don't assume everyone does.
So then you are OK with your kids being sold pot?
I don't think kids can afford the high grade stuff since it goes for at least $400.00 an ounce around here. But if it came down to it, I would rather they smoke pot than drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, take xanax or diet pills, or become a religious nut.
For that matter, I would prefer they not be obese or talk on cell phones while driving. All of these things are legal. Compared to them, pot is the lesser evil.
So you think that being a drug addict is better than being religious?
Marijuana is not addictive Onusonus, but you know that if you have any education at all. Would I rather my kids be pot smokers or religious like you? High or ignorant, tough choice.
Are you sure those aren't supposed to be A's in your name?
Very clever, I see that being a pot smoker has certainly rounded your ability to communicate tolerance in your doper agenda.
Okay, you've helped me make up my mind. I would rather they smoke pot
It's fairly obvious that your mind was already made up. Darn, another one slips through the cracks....
And it's also fairly obvious many have dived head first through the cracks after seeing how being addicted to religion has affected you. I wonder, have you ever smoked pot before or are you just talking about something you know nothing about? Perhaps you read it in a pamphlet by -who was that Mormon guy making the little girls marry old men? Would you mind your little girl marrying an old man? You believe in these Mormon leaders don't you?
That man is not part of my religion and never was, you would know that if you took the time to read a little, but that is why the NAZI's burned books so they could more easily spread their antisemitism. You were probably too busy smoking pot and watching Ren and Stimpy.
smoking marijuana is a sin
anything fun is a sin
except eating ice cream
So if this is so and it holds true then are sports sinful?
Using general logic.
sports is a metaphor for the end battle in which jesus comes down from his mansion and slaughters all sinners and makes them burn forever.
How amusing. The actual definition of the word "sports" can found at this link.
Just for your info.
smoking may be a sin...but Marijuana is a plant and has its medicinal purposes...so is it actually a sin? I guess its a conscience matter.
Right. Pure intent versus evil intent. If you're doing it to run away from life's problems, I'd call it a sin--though, thats just me. If you're doing it to enhance your normal day-to-day life, or change it if you will..or doing it to help your body, thats more in line with pure intent.
Every action has a good or bad side, there's no "right" answer to anything besides figuring out if it was designed to cause strife or not.
It is very simple, smoking marijuana leads to health hazards but it is generally hard to make the people understand that and hence the religious heads thought to make it god's word that smoking marijuana or taking any such drugs is a sin. You name anything a god's verdict and it will be followed, be it good be it bad.
Actually it wasn't religious leaders that pushed to make marijuana illegal. I've read that Rothchild made a deal with the government in I think the 1920s to make marijuana illegal because he was investing big time into the pharmaceutical industry. Marijuana would eliminate the need for a good portion of prescription drugs. From that time came the propaganda movie Reefer Madness and a lot of myth that marijuana will make you commit things like rape, murder, bullying, yelling, stealing or pilfering. This is not true. Marijuana is not addicting to most either, if not all. Possibly some that over use it may think they are addicted.
Keeping marijuana illegal just puts money in the pockets of bikers and other organized criminals. It doesn't cost any more to grow marijuana than it does a tomato plant yet it's the main income for a lot of organized crime. Authorities say that marijuana leads to harder drugs but it doesn't. The only connection to harder drugs is the association to organized crime. It doesn't make any sense what so ever to keep marijuana illegal.
Yeah Mo Rastafarians call marijuana holy smoke. It makes sense too because you can get into deep thought with it. So I have been told.
raider fan lets not get into the "burning" discussion shall we...LOL
If it is good for your health,smoke! If it is not good,quit! But for real, it makes you get high and want to commit something unusual like:rape,murder,bully,yelling,stealing or pilfering etc plus it can make you go nuts! For Chrissake why would one love to take something that reduces his or her life span and reasoning? Why not eat some vital nutritious fruits? Sometimes i get weird of this...
I would like to know ten documented incidents where someone has done any of the aforementioned activities while under the influence of THC.
Why do you deserve this information? Acco is a high profile politician in his country.
In his country yes, but this is the country of the Internet which is only here for people to share information and sell things( Actually it was origanlly made for US military use and then was shared with the public because of how easy it was to mass market).
And if you want to get really technical about it. Do you know that most of the Christian organizations around the world consider the Internet and the WWW ( yes they are two different things ) to be Sinful because of the ease in which you can be tempted in to non marital intercourse.
the military does not allow gays or marijuana. they are a good at identifying sin. this should end your pursuit to foolishly convince the christian world that is okay to smoke dope. Dope is for dopes!
Wow, so your also anti-homosexual. I find it hilarious that one person can be so blinded by religion. Are you really that unintelligent that you cant make your own decisions? God gave us the ability to differ what is right and wrong. The military ended up passing law's such as the "Don't ask don't tell laws" to stop bigots and people that fear change from hurting people that fit into groups in which ignorant peons like to target.
call 911 or visit your nearest drug agency,police station or drug rehab center,you have a nice courage but you need to bend low and learn from some honorable hubbers like the one you tried bouncing on,take care Justin?
i didn't know there was an ATHEIST Bible and a CHRISTIAN Bible are we really coming to an age where christian's hate non believers so much that they are segregating them? What ever happened to the ideal of " Judge the none for the will be judged"?
non believers are corrupting society and letting Satan win. Anyone with Satan is against the lord and deserves damnation.
Are you a comedian or do you really believe that those who don't believe as you do are sinners?
LOL earnest you have no idea who he is do you? I was reading through all these threads, I think this was during my absence before I returned as ralwus. Very funny stuff. raiderfan is one of the biggest pot heads I know, or was. LOL He was having fun is all.
Raiderfan, you are very eloquent on this subject tonight!
Dope is for dopes.
I assume that include steroids?
yes and steroids are illigal and makes your penis small
I fell off my chair laughing... Thank you Mighty Mom
Justin are you laughing because you smoke dope?
*looks at the screen blankly......* HOLY CRAP ARE PEOPLE REALLY THIS STUPID!
you are a dope if you are smokin dope and who made you einstein enough to say everyone is stupid? you are the one frying your brain cells.
The funny thing IS I AM the one that smokes. Yet im smarter than you. One who doesnt. My point has been made. Goodnight.
Hey bud being human is a sin, its not like there is a person who is not a sinner, and people dont sin unless they do something wrong. Every person is a sinner
Not me, I am not a sinner, do not believe in god and am not bound by others religions who believe in sin.
According to Christian belief,we all are sinners by birth,and this is why we are baptized after birth to cleans us of our sins which came from sexual immorality of our parents.Therefore if a baby dies immediately after birth,he or she would go to hell,because he or she wasn't baptized so he died a sinner,but this belief worries me alot,sometimes i feel bad.
it is good to see the dopes who smoke dope have a short attenshun span and people can see the effects and know that is a sin.
earnestshub ....You dont have to be a believer, you just have to be a human, so you are a sinner anyway.
The statements in this thread by so-called Christians are a prime example of why I am not one. Normally,if it is not in the Bible, these same people do not believe statements by others. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" only applies to non-Christians it seems. Why would anyone want to spend eternity with any of these guys?
HA HA HA HA HA HA OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!! The ONLY way this coudl eb any funnier is if I was high!!!!!!! here is my opinion.....pot is illegal, and you really should obey the law.
but its a dumb law made simply to make money. well, in the US anyway. this soooooo made my day.....phew...
Move to a state that it isn't such a big deal. In NH or Mass, for under an ounce, you just get a $100 dollar ticket now.
And in Alaska it's perfectly legal to grow a single plant for personal use and keep less than an ounce for personal use. There are a couple of other states that allow as much too, but it's been a couple months since I did that bit of research so I can't remember which ones.
I have never before nor ever plan to be a user of this drug or any other (aside from caffeine ), but I never have understood why it's illegal. There are some states where you can get a higher sentence for marijuana-related, non-violent crimes (such as possession and distribution) than for a rape...what's wrong with this picture?
That is true of MA, but not of NH...yet.
RaiderFan....why do you join these threads just to insult people? Take a hike, and learn how to spell....attention is not spelled attenshun....you proved his point for him.
Gosh how I wish GT was here. Where are you Toady?? Need some reinforcement.
Too each his own...everyone!!! If they want to toke it up then let them...if they don't then good for them...its all good.
And stop picking on Raiderfan...you should have figured out by now that he is smarter than he lets on. He is just messing around on HP for $hits and giggles!!!
Oh toad...where for out thou toad? lol
If we smoke enough dope maybe it would stop the personal insults.
It depends on your age. We've been callin' it dope fer pert near 40 year or so. Why I rememba this one time..........
Sorry, I fergot whut I wuz talkin' bout.
Are you not both Mormons Onus? I'm sorry but it's hard to get the beliefs of all these religious sects and sub-sects straight. Even among those sects there are differences of opinion between members. I don't know what you suggest I read. I've read about the founder of Mormon religion and how it was founded. Let's just say I was not impressed at all. If i were to choose a religion to blindly adhere to, Mormonism would not even be on the list.
By the way, you neglected to answer the questions in my last post. I suspect you are just following your orders to push a religious agenda like others on this site.
What a truck load of crap. How about your religion, I've seen the teachings of Tommy Chong and I gotta say the man is brain dead. But if you like to dig up lies about other peoples faiths in order to justify being a hop head, you have nowhere to go but up.
What lies have I told onus? I do not have to justify anything to you. I never said I smoke pot, read the posts again. Are you sure Warren Jeffs isn't a Mormon like you? How many wives do you have? Are they over thirteen years old. If you want to trade insults instead of discussing the topic, so be it. I can't help but think you are avoiding answering any queries put to you. It would probably do you good to take a toke and chill for once.
When you oversimplify the truth it becomes distorted and is therefore a lie. The Mormon Church disbanded polygamy over a hundred years ago. And don't act like I am shoveling a religious agenda at you when you are the one who brought my religion into the conversation. I expressed an opinion in opposition to your piont of view, and that just so badly wadded your panties up that you were compelled to attack my religion because it cuts you to the core to hear the truth about drugs. All vices accelerate the deterioration the human body, including marijuana. So no matter what Dave Chapell, or Tim Leary, or your favorite party harty sports hero says or does, they are ultimately sparking and inspiring a generation of invalids.
"When you oversimplify the truth it becomes distorted and is therefore a lie." These are your words onus. You suggest I worship Tommy Chong,get my information from Dave Chapell, adhere to Nazi propaganda, watch Ren and Stimpy, and wear panties. None of which you have any knowledge at all.
If people want to believe in a religion founded by a known con man it's their business. But when they condone polygamy, force little girls to marry old men, and cause people like you to spout misinformation about controversial laws, it affects all of us. Polygamy still goes on today, the recent arrest of Warren Jeffs for forcing little girls to marry old men indicates a problem with your chosen religion.
If you would care to quote my statements you claim are lies, I will attempt to address them. However, unless you give me the same courtesy we will accomplish nothing here.
Again, that man was never part of my religion, again the church disbanded polygamy over 100 years ago, I know it's hard to retain information when you are blazed, but try to keep up with the conversation Cheech.
If you want to resort to name calling I can reciprocate in kind Anus. It doesn't serve any purpose for proving a point even though this seems to be the only argument you possess.
It's known fact polygamy is still practiced by some members of the Mormon faith. And so is the practice of forcing little girls to marry old men against their will. You freely admit to belonging to the Mormon faith. Warren Jeffs and others do the same. I certainly hope you are not an example of the Mormon faith as truthfulness doesn't appear to be important to you. I have asked you questions which you ignore and instead resort to name calling. Not surprising as facts do not seem to be on your side. Now, proceed with the ridiculous name calling, you have nothing left.
It's illegal, so it's a sin, no matter how good it is for you...you are sinning my friend, ask for forgiveness and stop using it You are a sinner!
It's only a sin if one believes in the crap that the bible tells you. If one does not believe in the bible then one cannot consider himself a sinner because there would be no repercussions of the so called sin.
The only repercussions of tokin' a little is the law, which we have seen is beginning to change.
People in here need to stop telling this guy he is sinning or going to hell because he smokes a little pot. Its not a big deal. Do you drink alcohol?
That does more damage to people in one year than pot can do in a lifetime.
If Noah would have smoked weed instead of getting drunk and stupid, alcohol would be illegal and weed would be legal.
One of the reason why most of these things are not encouraged is due to them being habit forming hence not conducive for our mental equilibrium. There are a few people who can control there habits and not let there habits control them(then for those people same rules/regulations may not be strictly applicable). But in general smoking/drinking/drugs tend to be habit forming hence either moderation/abstinence seems to be a better approach for those who are weak. Knowing our weaknesses can sometimes be a strength in itself.
The marijuana laws in the U.S. began because of misinformation not unlike that presented here by uneducated posters to this thread. Our government, along with certain religious groups, perpetuate these same myths even when they have been disproved.
Next time you attend the church of your choice take a good look around. Many of your co-attendees are overweight and others obese. This includes young children and probably the preacher too. How serious do they consider the sin of gluttony? More people die of obesity than most other vices we have today.
People tend to ignore their own vices while casting aspersions on those they don't agree with. There is nothing in the bible stating smoking pot is a sin. Not so for gluttony.
Saying pot is addicting or habit forming is not backed up by science. It does not lead to harder drugs or make one commit crimes. How many people are now taking drugs which alter one's mood or appetite. Chemicals pushed by doctors and pharmaceutical giants are considered okay by those that take them and some are later found to be harmful. But they are legal so it is okay. Only those who have smoked pot can really discuss this stupid law with any intelligence. The rest are relying on hearsay or religious ignorance
Sidney Anderson was a guy who sold Pot in high school, he got adicted to something else and died of a heart attack a couple of years ago. Donny Stover smoked Pot and got into selling it. A guy everybody called Big Bird, (Who weighed over 300 LBS) had a couple of his friends hold Donny down while he jumped on his face with both feet. Donny was airlifted to Harborview's emergency room in Seattle, he survived but later got addicted to other stuff, and eventually blew his brains out. Nick Brill was a pot head I knew who died from an overdose of who knows what, in his sleep. Another Guy who's name I won't mention, used to smoke pot and beat up his girlfriend Dorine. He beat her to death.
Now there's four potheads that I grew up with and hung out with extensively, who are dead. One might say that none of them are dead because they were adicted to Pot but I have a hard time with hearing that it is not a gateway drug, when four of my friends who started off just watching cartoons and puffing weed all ended up dead.
All the rest of my friends can barely hold down their jobs, not because of the recession, but because there is no driving force in their lives.
Dean stole cars, got an STD in jail and started spreading it around, last I heard of Jamie Penz, he ripped out his uvula thinking he had a gummy bear stuck in the back of his throat. When ever my good friend Danny would get stoned, he felt like vandalizing things, I remember when he went to jail for throwing a rock through a picture window of the pro shop at Rolling Hills Golf course.
Me, I joined the Army and sat on the North/South Korea border during 911 keeping Communists from taking over while hyppie cowerds were sitting at home smoking dope and protesting me for keeping them safe.
I could realy care less if you smoke or not, I dont know if you are going to Hell for it,I never made that accusation, I just think its stupid and the people who think they need it to kill the pain are just postponing it.
your comparison of Pot to religion is soft; softer than Liberace at the Playboy Mansion. This stuff alters the mind and is habbit forming, it restricts the memory, causes a loss of coordination, and increases anxiety levels causing sometimes dangerous delusions of paranoia. You don't believe me? I've had a gun sticking in my chest just for knocking on a pot head's door.
I've never used hub pages before and probably will not ever again after I have said what I have to say here. And I'm here to set some records strait about an idiot who is using some of my friends full names while posting lies about their past lives. I will do my best here to get the facts strait and fix the lies that Onusonus has written.
The girl beaten to death by her pot smoking boyfriend did not die at the hands of the man that Onusonus thinks did it. I do not know the person that did that to my friend and it happened well after they had split up. For those reading this that man was caught and sent to prison. I do not know for how long or any other follow ups to that persons history. As for the man Onusonus thinks did this horrible act, the truth is that he went on to get several degrees at various colleges and last I heard helped with a company that builds shelters somewhere down in South America. I have to say that instills a sense of pride in me that my pot smoking buddy from high school went on to do so much good in the world.
As far as the other people that died Onusonus mentioned. I know all of them except one. And the ones that I do know all had problems well before they started smoking marijuana. The person who was jumped and sent to the hospital for example. I have known him since I was three, we went to the same daycare and my mother knew his father. His father used to beat him and his brother and neglect them in other ways that I don't have enough information about to go into any great detail about. Now I'm sure drugs don't help that kind of situation but I'm sure we can all figure out were a persons real problems would start out with a family life such as that.
Now on to Danny, if you haven't figured out who has written this post so far Onusonus here's a clue. It's me! As far as smashing out windows goes that was caused by... (Hold your applause!) ALCOHOL! You should know this better than anyone, Onusonus, you where there getting drunk with me when I did it. And by the way I got caught and spent the night in jail. Just letting everyone know that I know what I had done was stupid and I did pay the right price. As far as all of my vandalization escapades go, I feel completely confident in saying that alcohol was to blame. Some people can handle there booze and I can't. That's the main reason I never have more then a few drinks now days. As for marijuana the only trouble I had ever gotten in with that drug is being caught with it. No other illegal act was carried out in those instances. And thanks Onusonus for mentioning how I, a person who had smoked marijuana since he was fourteen, grew up to get a nice job that I love, and have beautiful daughter that is wonderful, (and not to toot my own horn but... toot, toot) I have raised her allot better than most the people I see raising children in my everyday life. Sure my life has been rocky and maybe not as wonderful as some other peoples that I know. But if you want to start throwing stones Onusonus. Well you know of the things that I don't approve of army boy. Should I start blabbing about your past exploitations online where the world can see it. Maybe your family would like to read about such things. Now don't you go getting your panties in a bunch. I would never do such things. I guess what sets me apart from you is that I don't need to go around pointing out other peoples faults to make myself feel better.
Now one last thing to clear up before I finish with my rant. The guy that got an STD in jail. How the hell do you know what he got and where he got it? Are you pissed at him for some reason? Did he give you an STD, Onusonus? This person that Onusonus is speaking of is another friend that I have known for a very long time. And again as many problems as the guy had I can trace most back to our wonderful friend ALCOHOL! And now days I don't see my friend that liked to get in trouble. And he did like trouble, but he liked getting in trouble for trouble sake as far as I can tell. I completely understand that concept alway being a little devious myself. What I do know is that this friend has stopped drinking in order to better his life as of lately. And from the small amount of information that I know about him it has bettered his life.
Sorry for the long rant but I just can't let small minded individuals go around slandering my friends. Alive and maybe even more important dead.
Rest in Peace, Doreen, Nick, and Donny.
Quotes from Why is Marijuana Illegal? - A brief history of the criminalization of cannabis.
After all this BS the truth is that marijuana will mellow an aggressive personality.
Great post make Money, by using propaganda Harry Anslinger turned one of the least funded agencies into one of the most expensively run organizations the government had. This caused the incarceration of thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens. Once again greed and ignorance caused undue suffering to good people and it still hasn't changed very much as evidenced by the ill informed opinions posted on this thread. I would wager most do not know drinking 100 cups of strong coffee in a day can kill a person. It's legal though.
I posted it to show that it wasn't the "government, along with certain religious groups" that had marijuana banned, other than in Utah in 1915. Most religions know it is not harmful, this is not a religious thing. Harry J. Anslinger to prop up the new Federal Bureau of Narcotics along with Randolf Hearst's yellow journalism, Dupont and the pharmaceutical companies were behind making marijuana illegal. It was for money, period. And now the US is the most incarcerated country in the world.
I think if marijuana was made legal there should be a restriction of over 21 for it so they can finish school first. But I think the same for alcohol. And I think tobacco should be outlawed completely, eliminate the industry, nothing good comes from it.
Religion is habit forming, and is a sin. I mean once you've heard the preacher go through the whole bible, why keep going? the book isn't gonna change. it's to feed that fix, them junkie shakes. at least with pot smokers they are going for something different. you never know what strain your dealer might have next week.
Where do you get your information Onus? And believe me, there are many people tempted to pull a gun when a religious fanatic rings their door bell. And what about those irritating others with their religious ranting. At what point does this become a sin? After conversing with you about this subject with all of your skewed opinions, I assume the guy pulling the gun knew you already. So it was probably not that he was smoking pot, he just didn't want to listen to any of your crap.
Or he was suffering from a drug enduced anxiety attack.
Well, why don't you tell us why you were there in the first place. I read your hub about baptizing the dead. I must say this is the most ridiculous religious practice I have ever heard. Are you a priest? Did these corpses want to be baptized? What power you must have snatching souls out of hell because you want to. I am indeed conversing with a miracle worker.
It's great, more fun than catching a large mouth Bass. Try to stay on topic, if you wish we could discuss it over there. This forum is about the religion of Mary Jane, not Latter Day Saints.
You are the one saying a pot smoker pulled a gun on you. I stated it was probably because he didn't want to hear any of your religious crap. It would be a simple matter to relate why he detested you so much, if this really happened.
I'm telling you that he was paranoid, I knew him not very well, I was visiting him. After a few minutes he realized who I was, (as I had recently returned from basic training looking a little more clean cut,)he invited Danny and I in. He then went back to his couch and began sucking pot out of the biggest bong I had yet seen at that point.
Only one's believer's spirit (not Holy Spirit) can tell what is the sin. Paul said that everything what is not of faith is sin. Also if we are slaves to something it is not good and it could be the problem.
Regarding of baptizing for deaths, (not baptizing dead), is mention in the Bible, but we do not have an detailed explanation and second biblical witness, then I would not touch the subject.
Sorry I brought the baptism here.
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