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How do you gracefully tell a Christian to stop trying to convert you?

  1. Ta-Iset profile image73
    Ta-Isetposted 2 years ago

    How do you gracefully tell a Christian to stop trying to convert you?

    I want to tell someone that I really am Pagan and I'm not confused... Without insulting them.

  2. ChristinS profile image95
    ChristinSposted 2 years ago

    A simple "we are all entitled to our own beliefs and I don't happen to share yours, but I respect your right to believe whatever you choose"
    should do it.  If not, then I wouldn't worry about being more direct and insulting them to be honest.  Some people have no concept of personal boundaries.  If you state it just like above, it shows that you respect them and it also says you recognize you are worthy of the same respect in return.  Many people can and do live and let live; others are never content unless they are trying to convert others.  I choose not to surround myself with the latter.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CS: Did Jesus "respect the rights" of the Scribes & Pharisees beliefs?  Why as Christians most say Oh well, I respect that? NOT n Scripture!

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The creator's name is Amun, and the Creator mother is Nun. 1 becomes 2, 2 becomes 4, and is 1 again. Only the Ancient Teachings of Egypt can tell you exactly what it means.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wikipedia: "Amun rose to the position of tutelary deity of Thebes after the end of the First Intermediate Period, under the 11th dynasty. As the patron of Thebes, his spouse was Mut."  These r ur gods? They were NOT "in the beginning!"  Why worship?

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That site is updated based on peoples reports, it's not credible, I will give you mine in your email.

    5. ChristinS profile image95
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We live in a secular nation where we all have rights. If you don't like that Norine I suggest you move to a nice theocracy somewhere.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CS: If not a Disciple of Christ, you're right, but if so, you need to "move back" into Scripture & read what commandments are!

      "Appeasing" one for the sake of "kindness," is a LIE if a believer!

    7. ChristinS profile image95
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OK Norine, have fun being all judgy and stuff whatever floats your boat.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CS:  "My boat" is floating but yours appear to be elsewhere!  Your "FREE WILL!"  Enjoy!

    9. ChristinS profile image95
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I sure will Norine - have a nice day.  My free will and I are enjoying some sunshine and fresh air, maybe you should do the same - does the body and soul good.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CS: You "Have a nice day" as well!  Hot here today but washing car so I'll get  to experience some of that "good for the body and soul" action!

    11. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Norine, you asked me something I didn't see until today. My biological mother raised me until I was 15, then I went into foster care until I was 17. And you know the in-between from there.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My God! I'm so, so sorry!  God have mercy on her soul! 

      This is the "impact" a parent's "religion" have on children!  Witchcraft is a religion as well although Satanic!

      Why don't you believe in Satan?

    13. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I told you, because he doesn't exist to me. He's your character from a story book, not mine. I only believe in Chaos, and nothingness, and never existing. My mother believed in witchcraft, she had a phase and left it 6 months later.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Chaos" comes fm the spirit of evilness or "Satan!" My parents believed n "The Trinity" but  when I grew up I studied for myself as you should do! Ur mom's beliefs had impact on ur beliefs whether u blv or not!

    15. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All it did was introduce me to more than one path. I never followed it my friend showed me the runes. Again another thing you didn't know about me, I used to call myself Unidolian... Little did I know 16 years later I would find out my Gods came from

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But she introduced you to "magic!"  What is the definition of "unidolian?"  One in pain?  Uni=One! Dolian=Pain/illness? Is it Spanish?

      I enjoy learning other religions!  But I see we ALL have early childhood persuasions! Study for you're ADULT now!

    17. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, please take the time to look up the word "fanatical."
      Read, mark, learn and inwardly digest.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the compliment!  You "Read, mark, learn and inwardly digest"  Galatians 1:6-9 and you'll see why I'm at "fanatic!"  Don't want to be "ACCURSED?"  Do you?

    19. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I feel you are just attacking everyone now Norine...

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And I feel u are attacking me for I tell TRUTH which doesn't align with your belief!  Who called who a "fanatic?" Did u not read his response to me?  Why always agree with untruth?

      Study!  You have children (generations) to consider!

  3. Austinstar profile image87
    Austinstarposted 2 years ago

    I have learned to tell people that I am not Christian and do not want to talk about their religion. We can still be friends, but only if they leave their religion in their churches.
    If they persist, I start talking about how I don't believe in god, so there is no point in continuing the conversation. Then, I simply start talking about something else entirely.
    If they still persist, I just get up and walk away.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta: If u served the TRUE & LIVING GOD he was taught!  He's waiting but doesn't want to appear against ur beliefs for arguments sake!  For now, all is well!  But GOD is watching!  Is ur god watching? Is ur god alive? Why worship a god that did not

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My God is alive, he was risen from the dead by his beloved Isis, and his son Horus, and Anubis. He's ruling in Duat, but he is as much alive as yours. Same with Isis, they are immortal, and eternal.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ur god was raised fm the dead by another god?  My GOD raised Himself fm the dead & doesn't need another's help! My GOD is an OMNIPRESENT Spirit! Everywhere, can do ALL thgs, w/o assistance! What god needs help being raised fm dead? R they LIMITED

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ok, I was being respectful... You're God isn't as real as mine for this fact, None of the bible is true, it has been proven thrice over by Science, and Archeology. Sorry, mine have way more evidence than yours.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What book or rules have they given? Have any prophesied? Have those prophesies came true as in my GOD's Scriptures?

      Science? Archeology? U need FACTS of THE SPIRIT (GOD)? What other book has been written where prophesies r happening today?

    6. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Math, architecture, agriculture, medicine, all these and more came from mine who taught the Egyptians. Prophecies? Your book was written after all the "prophecies" came true. There were no true prophecies.

    7. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta-Iset. You will have to "get up and walk away" from Norine. She won't stop.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Austin: It's what "I Believe!"  John 10:10

    9. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We KNOW what you believe. You can't stop vomiting it up every chance you get.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Austin: "Ignore" if it upsets but I do what I believe - what is in Scripture!  Otherwise, it's on ME!

    11. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All the temples, all the monuments in Egypt, including Papyrus's with the Egyptian bible "The book of the dead" There are even 42 laws of Ma'at, written on the walls of the temples. Those are the morality of Ancient Egypt. Which in turn are in bible

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure "they" found writings on wall then conjured up "stories," but ALL man-made!  Did they prophesy? Have their prophesies came true as those in the Bible?

    13. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No they weren't man made, what of the Emerald Tablets written by Thoth himself? You can't say that is man made, nor the Sphinx, or the Pyramids, no one can say for certain who made those, or wrote on them, except one person, I will email you again.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, One Spirit, not person, but GOD who is THE Spirit! Your god called himself god but was "man" when writing! Were her/their writings as mysterious as My GOD's, written (Ten Commandments) fm heaven?

    15. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The ten commandments were on stone tablets here on earth, so where are they? My God proved his hand with the Emerald Tablets, which are written about the universe, and how all began. Where are yours?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Contact  Kurt Jenkins, a British Archaeologist, Jacob Arens, a physicist from the Univ of Jerusalem & Prof Ludwig Sales from Berlin University and ask of their discovery in Iraq! 

      My heart is breaking!

    17. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sand scrips? Hah! Wow... That's been attributed to myths, and nothing more. I think you need to better than that, it is no truth to Jesus or your God, anymore than a piece of paper with the story of me being a Goddess.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe I didn't comprehend the video you sent me! A sand dune came up from water & there appeared your god!  Is this not true?

    19. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes that is true, but this is also true, Your God has said to make earth 6,000 years ago. My Gods have been around for nearly 10,000 years. So how could your 6,000 year old God make my 10,000+ year old Gods?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why delete? Am I making sense & you don't want to hear to remain in "your" ways?  There's no salvation in worshiping "Idols" or "Magic" & you know this deep down inside!  You want your children exposed to the life you were exposed to? Thk of

    21. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What did I delete? I didn't delete anything. And I don't know anything you're talking about. All I possess is everything the earth possess now, and in Ancient times, I don't use anything satanic, for I know nothing of Satan, nor do I believe in Satan

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I apologize if you didn't delete. Look at responses' time frames chronologically & notice  errors in system!

      Why do you NOT believe in Satan?

    23. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He's not apart of my world, or beliefs. I believe in Seth which is the closest you can get to Satan, but he doesn't have the same characteristics as Satan. He just wants to rule the world by killing Osiris, and Horus.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Seth wants to rule the world?  Satan does too through deception (individuals' mind frame)!

    25. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Consulting the bible every time a world event happens if your book was so accurate, so how come no ones covered the story that the bible said 9/11 would happen? Because its two unrelated things that you seem to put together.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I previously gave you Isaiah 9:10 re: 9/11! Did u not read the news article I previously gave? No one wants to "hear" truth!  They  keep "truth" on the down low but I will tell NOTHING but "truth!"  I'm too old. My time maybe soon!  Please listen!

    27. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When all else fails, you try guilt?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No! TRUTH! When "all else fails," you will try Jesus, (on death bed? I hope not!) for Scriptures says "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you THIS day whom ye will serve..."  If not the LORD, who else? For there is only rt or wron

  4. dashingscorpio profile image87
    dashingscorpioposted 2 years ago

    Forget about being graceful!
    Simply tell them if the only thing they want to discuss is religion when you get together then you won't be spending anytime with them.
    I've seen similar instances when friends have signed on with the latest "multi-level marketing" product. Suddenly every call and get together is about how (you) need to join up as well.
    There are thousands of other things to chat about!
    Sometimes you just have to cut off people.
    Each of us gets to (choose) who we spend our time with.

    1. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am one of those people who don't want to offend anyone until they step over a line. Trust me when I say I have a lot of patience when it comes to that line. It once took me months to realize one of my ex friends wasn't truly my friend....

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta: Your husband may tell you that, but if raised by a believer, he believes for Scripture says in Prov 22:6 says "Train up a child in the way he should go and, when he is OLD, he will NOT depart from it."  It's instilled n him as u r instilling magi

    3. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I was raised Christian. I chose Paganism. Why? Because it fits me spiritually. Like shoes, or clothes, I needed something that felt comfortable. Paganism is comfortable, not evil, not a sin. My kids are doing well, they love the earth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You saw ur mom perform rituals as a child which was amazing to u! U were beaten for being involved after she repented! U were raped by a believer. U were ditched by a believer! These reasons would turn anyone fm the TRUE & LIVING GOD who's not re

    5. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's not why though, I turned to Paganism because it called to me, through my made up language, through many correspondences. Osiris, and Isis called for me, and I heard them... It wasn't because of heartache.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Girl, Satan is a spirit too!  One can "hear fm him" as well!  Why worship a god that did not create u, make the universe, control life & death, Why?  This reminds me of Moses return to the people & they had made a pagan god!  GOD was angry!

    7. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My God did create me, his fathers father "The ALL" created the universe, and the earth, everything. I am a living descendent of my God. He sees me, he knows me, he's been there for me, that's what I'm saying, he called me to him.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      His father's father? Where is ur bible or instructions? Was his father's father there "in the beginning?" 

      Our childhood experiences have "EVERYTHING" to do w/our beliefs! Now u r grown & should research Scriptures! Have u studied bible thoroug

    9. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The All created everything, even Atum, and Nun... They created Shu and Tefnut, and they created Geb and Nut, They created Osiris, Isis, Seth, Nephthys, Osiris gave laws to man, and taught him how to live civilized.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why so "many" gods? Each has a function?  Can't perform alone?  If GOD, then ALMIGHTY!  Does ALL!
      I watched the video where your god appeared from a hump of sand out of the water that my GOD had made!  Why worship "something" that came from another

    11. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, MY GODS created yours haha, why do you think the 42 laws of Ma'at sound familiar? Your whole religion stole from mine and many others. Yours is a fabrication, a story made up of MY TRUE stories.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well the video said he arose from a sand dune that my GOD created!  How could she/he be before mine?  I'm not familiar with the 42 laws of Ma'at? Should it sound familiar? In comparison to what? 10 Comm?

      What other book has had prophesies FULFILLED!

    13. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I emailed you the 42 laws of Ma'at, and also my GODS were long before yours, yours wasn't invented until 390 years after Christ died, so explain to me how your God was before mine? Yours is a made up version of ALL mine right down to Horus/Jesus

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Scriptures were already "written" but not yet compiled! 

      Consider this: NO prophesies have been FULFILLED in any other book but the Bible!  Fulfillment on prophesies that we have "literally seen" in our time! Again, what other book does that?

    15. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In your own words, anyone can say something and it come true, they probably saw trees being cut and said the world will end. Your own words. Also no none of them came true lol NONE! give me one example in an email, cause this isn't long enough.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I find it very "coincidental" that Isaiah 9:10 has been fulfilled "during our time" whereas you have "seen" nothing revealed from your gods because they are "stone" and "dead" (material)  as the "idols" the ppl worshiped in bible!
      I will email.

    17. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I never said mine were stone, I said they helped my people create stone monuments with there powers, my Gods left their mark on the earth, your God never left anything but a book full of fairytales, and no none came true, trust me. News would be cons

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Isaiah 9:10 is not a "con!"  No one could have known when scrolls (Bible) written unless prophesied from my God! Where did all of this 2,000 year old knowledge prophesying future come from but my GOD?  Have any of your gods done this?

    19. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Seeing as everything in the bible was stolen from Egyptians, Sumerians, and many other ancient religions, I wouldn't be surprised if it came from other Gods other than yours.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why won't you answer my question?  Give me a book (by your gods or man) which have prophesies that have been fulfilled in our lifetime?  There will be more fulfilled soon & I pray we are ready, you too!

  5. Ta-Iset profile image73
    Ta-Isetposted 2 years ago

    I have had a hard time recently trying to explain to my mother in law that I am not going to convert. She always tells me that I'm ruining my boys lives by being Pagan. I have a lot of respect for my elders because of how I was raised in foster care. To hear her say I'm ruining my boys lives hurts deeply. She's said many things that have caused a lot of grief to me.

    my husband has told me to tell her to bleep off when she says those things, but I can't seem to do it. ... I say "Naomi I'm sorry to say this but I'm not changing my faith. I don't see what is wrong with teaching my boys to love the earth and to respect all living things including insects."

    She tells me there is nothing wrong with that, it's just she doesn't want to see them wearing the pentagram.... so I switched to Ankh's. She says that it's a pagan cross... I informed her that it's an ancient symbol for eternal life.

    She says that my beliefs are silly and made up. I don't know how to get her to see that she's offending me.... I've tried so many different ways around it. My husband has even went so far as to ask me to fake being Christian just for her.... I told him the thought made me want to vomit.... it's a very sticky situation... and my boys are involved and I don't want to cut her out of their lives....

    1. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You and your husband need to tell your mil that she wont be welcome in your house if she won't stop talking about Christianity. You don't go to her house and talk about paganism, do you?

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No I don't. My boys just wear an ankh, she gets mad, my 3 yr old sings moon chant, she gets mad.

    3. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You are not responsible for her anger. She needs to learn to control herself.

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I guess I just want to have a peaceful visit instead of one where I'm trying to respect her and myself all at the same time....

    5. ChristinS profile image95
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You have the right to autonomy and to raise your children as you see fit.  I would remind her that they are not her children, but yours and if she wants to continue to have visits and be in their lives she can get right with that, or she can miss out

    6. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My husband as tried to talk me into being more forceful in talking to her. He openly tells her to shut up. But she isn't my mother and I don't feel that I should speak to her that way. However I have had times when I wanted to.

    7. ChristinS profile image95
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If you don't stand up for your kids who will? I understand not wanting to disrespect others, but it sounds like she does not extend you the same courtesy.  Your husband does need to be more assertive as well but you are a team.

    8. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I will next time she says anything I will say "Naomi I respect you as a person. You need to respect me too"

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta: Foster care?  You feel God deserted you? Is this why you turned to Paganism? Idols? Ungodly? God is "guiding" your life! So far, He's done a great job w/a husband, kids, a mother in law who cares!  Ur spouse raised by her but don't blv? Really?

    10. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He thinks she's crazy. Because normal people don't call people devil worshiper. I do not worship the devil. I worship Osiris, and Aset (Isis). I'm not evil for it, nor are my children damned for it. And that's not my reasons for being Pagan.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Magic?  Not of the devil?  Come on!  What has this god done for you lately? Does she/he allow you breathe? Does it speak to your heart? What?

      According to our belief, you & your children will be lost if you continue!  We blv in THE GOD not a god

    12. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All those things, and just because you don't understand magic doesn't make it evil. All the Ancient cultures knew of natural magic, that's exactly what I practice. Symbolism, herbalism, evoking your wishes.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Did ur god create heaven & earth? Did she do that for u? Did ur god create male & female? Did she? Does ur god guarantee "eternal life?" Does she? Does ur god not need u to perform rituals? Doesn't she? Baby MAGIC will not SAVE u! Be not dece

    14. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes she did in the beginning her name was Nun, she gave birth to Geb, and Nut, who had Isis, Osiris, Seth, Nephthys. Isis and Osiris ruled over Egypt for centuries... You can look it up if you like. My Gods, and Goddesses do all that your one God did

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U have many gods?  THE GOD doesn't need help! Why does yours? Too weak? There are NO RECORDS of your god! We have scrolls! What has been FULFILLED in their books? What has been written centuries ago in their book(s) that is currently happening?

    16. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There are lots of records of my Gods. Including Emerald Tablets that were written by Thoth the thrice wise God Of Egypt. Also the God who helped Nut have her 4 children because Ra had cursed her not to bare children on any day in the year.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OH! So u can "relate" personally to these gods? Ah so!  I can see where these gods r attractive to u!  Don't u know other gods were designed to distract one fm the TRUE & LIVING GOD?  Satan is shrewd!  Be not deceived for THE GOD is the ONLY GOD

    18. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Relate? What do you mean? I love my Gods, and Goddesses, the same way you love your "God" I don't know why you think that I'm lost. I was lost before I was found by Isis, and Osiris. Is it because I'm respectful? I was raised that way...

    19. ChristinS profile image95
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta save your breath, people like Norine and your MIL are only happy believing their God is right at the expense of others - you can't please people like this and shouldn't try.  she likes it when people feed her so she can condemn.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Respectfulness is grt morale character! Raised by biological mom? If not, how old were u? These gods history align w/your life! Magic, conception drama, grt wife & mother, just like u!  So u "relate!" My heart breaks!

    21. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Cartoons? What would you have them look like? The Ancients didn't have high quality computers to depict them the way they looked to them, the best they could do is draw, I bet yours looks like a cartoon too in the Ancient times.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Creator (GOD) is a SPIRIT!  No one has seen Him at any time! He manifested Himself in the flesh and Genesis, Daniel, Isaiah,& Revelation are the only places that mention how that manifestation (JESUS) looks! Nothing that's depicted by our soc

    23. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was a MAN on earth. Someone must have saw him, drew him, other wise how else would his stories go on? And again your whole book was written upon stories that existed in other religions. Stolen and given new names, but all the same stories.

    24. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jeez, Norine, drop that Bible, and read a history book! The Egyptian Gods Ta is describing pre-date Christianity by several thousand years.

    25. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Where did you go Norine? You disappeared... Are you done trying to convert me? wink

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Enrolling granddaughter in college as she has baby same time.  Much going on in my life!  Sorry I can't dedicate as much time to discussion as I would like but will return after thgs settle down.  Out of state school starts 8/17.

      Austin said "She n

    27. NiaLee profile image59
      NiaLeeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      you see you get the preach even here, I did leave because of religious invasion last year, they were everywhere fighting everyone.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NiaLee: We're (at least I'm) not fighting! We're "proving" our religious belief (debating)!  The Bible tells me to "prove" my belief & teach ppl rightly divided Word!

      If Christian, u know!

    29. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The only proof you have is a book... You haven't proved anything, but you keep insisting that the bible tells the future, which I have not seen any of the things you claim from the bible that couldn't be explained as unrelated association.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Study "fulfilled prophesies" from Bible! STUDY!  Have your gods done this?  And there are more to come!  Be Ready! STUDY!

  6. M. T. Dremer profile image95
    M. T. Dremerposted 2 years ago

    One method you could try is a sort of compromise. Tell them that they can talk to you about their religion only if you have equal time to talk about yours. You might not be interested in spreading paganism, or even talking about it. But the suggestion that they would have to listen to you might scare them off. Many people like to talk, but don't like to listen.

    1. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well she has asked me questions and as you said she didn't like listening to the answers. I wrote a hub about it on my page.... she basically said everything I do sounds and is designed by the devil and evil. It's my fault my kids are going to hell.

    2. M. T. Dremer profile image95
      M. T. Dremerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yikes. In that case, you might have to be more direct. I would suggest saying something like "please don't be so hateful" but people with that extreme viewpoint think they are helping. It's best to just get away from it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta: If "you" performed a "ritual," and got pregnant, but lost the baby in 2008, why did your god allow that?  When my GOD does something, it's done!  Do u have to help her/him by performing? Not my GOD! He does it, not me! Why work? What kind of god

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Because I gave my intention to the universe, he heard my prayer, and gave me what I wanted, I assume I lost it because of my brother, he kicked me in the stomach a week before I lost it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry that happened to you! GOD gives life & death! Not MAGIC! Maybe GOD was trying to tell u something but have given u over to a "reprobate mind!"  I pray not for the children's sake & yours!  I feel ur husband would be much happier if you

    6. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My husband is happy. To this day he thinks I put a spell on him, but I didn't. I told him I only did a spell to have my kids... I have them, and I'm happy. Now I'm working on my pathwork with Osiris, and Isis.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If this god gave u ur kids, don't u think ALL sterile women would resort to this? If we did statistics on how many sterile women rec'd their kids fm ur god vs THE GOD, guess who's God would win?  Come on now! Witchcraft would b in ALL fertility clini

    8. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why would it be? It's demonized and condemned, no one knows the powers they hold until they use them. My God is real, and he gave me my babies whether you believe it or not. I tried your God, he never heard me.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He never heard u for He KNEW what u would do n future - believe in pagan gods based on experiences as child!  He knows one's heart even when asking!  He knew u were just asking but ur heart was in childhood memories!  U tore up Scripture? He rememb

    10. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      At the time I was full heartedly into "God" I listened to Christian music, I wore the cross, I was all about him... I didn't even think about Paganism until my friend told me I wrote in Runes... That's when it started to lead me home.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Was ur mom ur biological mom? She did this to u! U were self taught (by her "amazing" actions) runes fm mom! Why'd she do this? My heart breaks! The "system" is not a good place for kids!  Parents not screened thoroughly! 

      My heart is breaking!

    12. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He didn't know what I'd do because at the time I was all about the bible.. And "God" I didn't turn to Paganism until I found out I was writing in Runes, which lead me home. I didn't know what Runes were, I must of been a natural Pagan.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When u were young, u bought materials re paganism! I'm sure u saw it in one of those articles but didn't understand or remember but infor still in subconscious! Why did she do this? Was this your biological or foster mom?GOD have mercy on her soul!

    14. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I bought only 4 books, one was for handfasting, one was for candle magick, one was for herbalism, and the other was for talking to nature in the language of nature. None of them had runes. I didn't even know how to make a proper BoS and some how Idid

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dear heart, u saw it as a child & subcons remembers! A child's memory is as clay & what they're expose to they may not remember but subcons does!  I majored in psychology in college & have studied this!  Children r easily "molded." B care

    16. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Listen, I never saw Runes, I never had any way of seeing them. I only had 4 books, and none of them had runes. I made it up in my head so no one could read my diary. Later when I had a computer I was shown runes and realized I wrote them without know

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Girl u WERE 9 yrs old!  U saw the writings! U may not remember but subcons did!  Go to a professional & see if these things are hidden in your subconscious! Do this for your children, husband, marriage, mil, & most importantly - YOUR LIFE!

    18. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh Goddess... Ugh, I remember perfectly clear, I am one with my mind, body, and soul... I remember sitting down and making it up when I was 15. Nothing in my books when I was 9 had RUNES! No runes until my friend showed me online. I didn't know any

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OK! Let's say u never saw runes nor remember seeing!  Did I not tell you that there are Satanic spirits as well. They are capable of "making things up in your head" as well even as a child! He doesn't care as long as he wins one over Jn 10:10!

    20. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't believe in Satan, and I hardly believe that if he existed that he would teach me herbalism, math, astrology, philosophy, all to doom me to damnation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who else would teach "things of the world" but Satan?  Why do you NOT believe in Satan?  You never answered that!

    22. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Because he is made up. Why would I believe in something that was made up? I don't believe in Santa Clause and no ones saying "Why don't you believe in him? Are you against the joys of Christmas?" No, I just know that he's not real... I still have joy

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not real in the sense that "you can touch him," but he has a "spirit" & that "spirit" is one of deception!  Look how he's gotten into your head to make u blv thgs that r untrue by "reading" books that only proves that my God exists!

    24. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A book? That's it? I have tablets written by one of my Gods, I have temples, shrines, monuments, and even tombs with of my Gods... You have a book... How sad... If that's your only defense hahaha

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All "materalistic!"  The Book (Bible) has fulfillments of prophesies! Does your gods' rocks, monuments, etc does this? Has a prophesy been fulfilled by ur gods during ur lifetime?  This is a "Spiritual" journey not "materialistic" or "magic!"

    26. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've given you proof in your email, and still you refuse to see that yours is fake... So what's the point in saying the same thing repeatedly? I don't believe in your scripture, I will never believe it, I'm happy where I am with my SPIRITUALITY!

    27. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta-Iset, It appears you now have two people trying to convert you! LOL!
      Believers have no interest in logic or reasoning. They live to convert others. They're going to heaven and everyone else is going to hell!smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      DASH:  "Logic or reasoning?"  Sounds like another "unbeliever" who needs converting!  Don't get me started!

    29. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, You're killing me! LOL!
      Seriously it sounds like you have enough on your plate already, but thanks anyway. Have a blessed day! ha ha ha

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      DASH: Never too much "on plate" to NOT think of GOD 24/7! Sorry you find GOD humorous!  You have a nice day as well!  Praying for ALL!

    31. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You're right I do have 2. I'm not going to be converted though, I feel it only strengthens my beliefs.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Belief in "dead" god(s)?  Idols? My hearts breaks for children & MIL!  And you will be responsible! For your kids? Don't u love them?

      One day ur husband is going to get over the "infatuation" stage, then what? Don't forget I told you!

  7. lisavollrath profile image96
    lisavollrathposted 2 years ago

    I would simply say that you're happy with your own beliefs, and would prefer not to discuss religion---and then, change the subject.

    I have quite a few church-going Christian friends. We simply don't discuss religion when we're together. There are so many other interesting things to talk about, there's no reason to focus on one where we don't agree.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta:  This breaks my heart!  The children? Such beautiful souls being taught as u were as a child! I guess this is ur mom's consequences for dabbling in withcraft! "Generational curse!"

      I pray ur husband returns to his teachings & become the MAN

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He is a MAN. Even if he doesn't follow scripture, he doesn't do anything that makes him uncomfortable, so if hes ok with my teachings, that must mean I'm not doing anything that's sinful or damning.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, he a "man" but NOT "the MAN" GOD told him to be!  At this point in his life (all is well) but one day he MUST face reality (TRUTH in His Word)!  He's appeasing you!  He's NOT being the MAN GOD told him to be! Bcuz  he's OK w/it, DOESN'T make it

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He was scared of it at first, he saw how I worship, how I practice, and he said "Oh so you don't call devils or demons?" I said "No!" he said "Ok, then I am ok with this" He had an open mind and it showed him theres nothing to fear.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Anyone who doesn't know Jesus, would be afraid!  I know JESUS has already defeated Satan so I'm not afraid but why would you want to subject ur kids to furthering witchcraft & idol worship for generations?  Don't u love your kids as ur mil does?

    6. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The only thing you have to prove yours is a book... And all the stories have been proven false...

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The first thg I googled re ur gods said "No records exists!" No Scrolls? Nothing? Just writings? Where's ur bible or laws?

    8. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are you kidding me? The Pyramids themselves are records, the walls of the temples in Egypt are the records, no records? The biggest monuments in the whole region of Egypt is scripture. I will have to write you and email with the laws of my Gods.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No disrespect but when I rd the website u sent, ur gods look like cartoon characters! What prophesies have come true fm these idols? The OLD book's writings (Bible) has had prophesies come true recently! Does ur god's book(s) have  confirmation(s)?

    10. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I will email you the 42 laws of Ma'at, those are the laws. As for records, there is museums full of my records, and there are books written about the temples, and monuments with all the scripture.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do your gods prophesy? Have their prophesies came true as my GOD's have which gives confirmation?

    12. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My Gods, made a clock on earth, that said there was something going to happen 25,000 years after their time, which was about 5500 years now. They said that the earth was going to be full of fire... Which was saying our atmosphere is disappearing...

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Any "man" knows that due to civilization's growth (destroying nature) the environment would/will eventually suffer! What else? Biblical prophesy was fulfilled in Isaiah 9:10 for 911!  What other book does that? Give me more fulfillment of prophesy

    14. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah but at the time no one could of known we would burn coal, and fuel that would destroy the atmosphere, so how could they make an assumption based on nothing? And it wasn't a prophecy about 911, you are associating two unrelated details.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Cutting down of trees was enough to make a correct assumption. I'm not the only one who has "associated two unrelated details."  Google "Old Testament Prophecy Fulfilled Before Our Eyes!"

      What other book does this?

    16. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Like I said two unrelated things, you found a similarity and said "Yup my book told me this would happen" Where as the pyramid says it directly, clear as day itself what will happen, and not even the bible says it clearly.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As u see "similarity" btwn ur life & ur gods? Why am I not the only one that said "Yup my book told me this would happen?" Did you Google? What happened to those "political figures?" Not MAGIC! Can you say the same for your gods?

      Pyramid says w

    18. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You cannot find the pyramid teachings in scholar papers, or even history books, why? Because people have bias, only true scholars know the teachings, and I have their teachings, because I LOOKED for it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As us saw "similarity" between your life & your gods?  Why am I not the only one who said "Yup my book told me this would happen?"  Did you Google? Did us see what happened to those political figures? Not MAGIC! Have u seen prophesy FULFILLED fm

    20. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If you read all the links you will see all your "prophecies" from the bible never came true, they were stories told with vague statements which you said yourself that anyone could say and have come true. So you disproved your own with your own words.

    21. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hey, you guys, thanks for hijacking my comment for this holy war! Norine, I have to say, your comments are really preachy, and don't allow for the idea that NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES WHAT YOU DO! There are other belief systems.

    22. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry Lisa, that wasn't my intention, I was trying to show her that I'm firm in my belief. She sees it now and has stopped... I think...

    23. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think we can all be firm in our belief systems without beating each other up with them, to the exclusion of all other beliefs. I enjoy learning about other belief systems, but only when they're discussed without preaching and railing.

    24. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That also wasn't my intention, I was answering her questions and defending my right to my beliefs. It makes me livid when they call me Satan worshiper, and saying theirs is the true religion, when Paganism came far earlier than theirs.

    25. lisavollrath profile image96
      lisavollrathposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I hear you, Ta. I have friends who are Pagan, and they've always struck me as very loving people. I've never understood the confusion some have between Paganism and Satanism, or the lack of understanding that much Christian ritual is based on Pagan.

    26. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Some just really like trying to prove that Pagan's are all lost, and only "God" can save us lol. I guess I proved my point. I'm glad she gave up, otherwise she would of wasted a lot more time.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry! Had late night! Chronological time frame OK! Lisa, sorry for "hijacking" but not enough rm! Other relg or also interesting to me! Glad to meet Pagan! I'm learning! We're only "proving our beliefs" not "arguing" at least that is not my intent!

    28. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Have you reviewed any of the content I emailed you?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sorry but expecting grandbaby & preparing mom for school!

      Don't let man (Satan) deceive with time frames! A god that vomits his children is repulsive!  No breathe of life but vomit?

    30. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yea but Seth never bettered man kind in anyway. But my Gods did help man kind with a lot, and they were around way before yours, again I say this because there is no PROOF of your God before 390 AD!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There maybe no compiling the Bible before that date, but GOD created ALL!  Again, what other document (book) have prophecy that have been "seen" (fulfilled) during your lifetime?

    32. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, I counter your question, "but why would you want to subject ur kids to furthering witchcraft & idol worship for generations?" with, "why would you want to subject your kids to the confusions of "Original Sin," "loving god," and Hell?"

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jon: To that I reply "You have "FREE WILL" to do as u please! But when a "believer" it's HIS WAY or NO WAY!

    34. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah but your "God" made us sinful, why make us this way only to punish us for it? That doesn't seem right. My children do bad things and I direct them in the right direction, I don't drown them because they're not perfect.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He didn't "drown" those that "found grace in His eyes!" He looks @ heart! Not as man! He didn't "make us sin!" Who told u that? We have a choice until "IN CHRIST!" 

      But u punish ur children when disobedient as He does!  He loves us as u do ur child

  8. xInspiredx profile image59
    xInspiredxposted 2 years ago

    An answer to your question, just be honest. People are going to have differences its just a matter of respect. Myself being a Christian I am far from being perfect and people I associate with still like who I am.

  9. Evane profile image55
    Evaneposted 2 years ago

    You know, you are a friend, and I'd like you to respect my belief. So, please stop complicating things.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Disciples of Christ are not to "respect one's beliefs" (Gal 1:6-9)

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Science agrees with my God... Consciousness made the universe, out of shear will! So your God doesn't exist, neither does Satan. Made up story line characters.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Science?  Man-made!  SPIRIT is what this journey is about - not something one can touch, see, or is audible to others! Audible only to believer!  Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10; 10:16!

    4. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      " SPIRIT is what this journey is about - not something one can touch, see, or is audible to others!"   LOL!!!  So next time you go for a ride in the automobile, it's the spirit in the tank that drives you..nothing to do with the gears or the piston.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jo:How "spiritually immature" are you? Do u even "believe?" 

      Rm 8:5 You "mind the things of the flesh!" 

      Rm 8:8 says "..they that are in the flesh CANNOT please GOD!"

    6. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't even know what you're talking about, spirit? I don't think so, I think that my Gods, and Goddesses are conscious beings, who came here in our past and taught our ancients skills, and language, not one single God, but many.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      An ALMIGHTY GOD needs help?  Can't his spirit do as my God's? ANYTHING?  Or is he dead?

  10. FatFreddysCat profile image98
    FatFreddysCatposted 2 years ago

    Smile sweetly and tell them in a very polite voice, "thanks,but I'm not interested. I'm already in a very deep, fulfilling relationship with Satan."
    ...I used to use that one on the roving Jehovahs' Witnesses that I encountered in bus/train stations and they couldn't get away from me fast enough.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      At least you're honest just not Christ-like!

    2. FatFreddysCat profile image98
      FatFreddysCatposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When I'm stuck in a crowded bus or a train station I'm not interested in being Christ-like. I just want to be left the heck alone.

    3. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      To be honest I've said similar things to Mormons lol

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I see you're BOTH in agreement!  But as a "BELIEVER," both are wrong since against Scripture! Matt 28:19-20!

    5. FatFreddysCat profile image98
      FatFreddysCatposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yawn.  Give it a rest, Norine.

    6. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hahaha but you forget that's YOUR scripture, not mine...

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KA:  Yes, yawn if you have never experienced "benefits!" Typical!  Scripture doesn't tell us to "give it a rest!"

      TA:  Scripture is for ALL!  Not mine!

      Give prophesies fulfilled by your gods in our lifetime! Can you?

    8. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LOVING IT, FATFREDDY!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      GM: You know a person by their "fruit!"

    10. FatFreddysCat profile image98
      FatFreddysCatposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I find it disturbing that you are making assumptions about my "fruit." Leave my fruit out of this.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Keith: It shows!

    12. FatFreddysCat profile image98
      FatFreddysCatposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You'd be more much fun if you had a sense of humor.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So would JESUS!  My desire is to be "Christ-like" not "fun!"

    14. FatFreddysCat profile image98
      FatFreddysCatposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I repeat...yawn. You're no fun anymore. Bye.

    15. SouradipSinha profile image83
      SouradipSinhaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "thanks,but I'm not interested. I'm already in a very deep, fulfilling relationship with Satan."

      Now that's precise. big_smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Now that's a truthful response!  If not according to Scripture - SIN!

    17. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hahaha "leave my fruit out of this" That was so good I had a rib hurt.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, funny!  But TRUE:  We "know them (ALL) by their "fruit!"  (Matthew 7:15-16)

      Watch it! YOUR "fruit" is showing!  Is this kind of behavior taught by your gods?

  11. choneycutt profile image78
    choneycuttposted 2 years ago

    Be straightforward.  Tell the Christian that you have a zero% chance of conversion and that he or she should focus efforts on converting someone else, instead of wasting time with trying to convert you.  Also, compare it to how it would bother that Christian if you tried to convert him or her continuously.  Try to reach an agreement that you will not try to mention religious beliefs around each other.  If this person is worthwhile to have in your life, he or she will learn to understand your discomfort and your side of the issue.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry Chase but no room elsewhere!

      Keith:  I know u r an "unbeliever" & the only way u can relate to what I'm saying is to read Scripture then MAYBE u won't think I'm "crazy" viewing from a "believer's" point of view.

    2. choneycutt profile image78
      choneycuttposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You really have to argue so much that you move onto my comment?  And, I've read the scriptures twice yet I still think you are acting crazy.  No matter what you say, you will not change our minds.  Stop fighting and enjoy life.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And so they called Jesus "crazy" or "full of wine!"  Thank you! 

      A "believer" to an "unbeliever" can't relate!  No fight here just telling those who "want to hear" of the "Good News" under the New Covenant!

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I may be open minded, and I don't mind listening to you rant, but you can't say yours is the only right religion without proving it's older than mine, which is impossible because mine has been proven older than yours, and more likely to b right.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm only repeating the Word of God! Ranting?
      I tell u again dates were given by "man" who LIES!  It's his job (man/Satan) to LIE to gain souls!  It's ur job to STUDY in Spirit the Word of God to find out what He said & allow IT to take place!

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    Kevin Goodwinposted 2 years ago

    Just tell theme the truth, if that person has a problem with it then that is their problem not yours.

    1. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you! <3

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, let's "appease" everyone & their beliefs!  Not Scriptual!

  13. NiaLee profile image59
    NiaLeeposted 2 years ago

    My dear, i understand you but you and I are same and different, I am wired in a healthy pagan way. This is who I am with all my qualities the same, just internally seeing and connecting in a different way.

  14. lisasuniquevoice profile image75
    lisasuniquevoiceposted 2 years ago

    Ta-lset,
    When  they come to my door I tell them they have a lot of nerve assuming that I don't have a philosophy on life.Then I tell them I don't have any more time for them.
    Lisa

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "A philosophy on life?"  Are u a believer?  If so, there's no "philosophy on life," only the Word of God! Prov 3:5

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The bible isn't the only philosophy on life Norine hahaha. there are other religious paths with morals, and philosophy too.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sure are!  All "man made!"  Accompanying Satan! If not of THE SPIRIT, then Satan, whether you believe it or not!

  15. sockii profile image81
    sockiiposted 2 years ago

    My answer would be the same whether a person was trying to convert me to Christianity, Islam, Paganism, Athiesm or any other belief system (or system of non-belief):

    "Thank you for your concern, but I am not interested in changing my belief system. Additionally, your trying to force the matter upon me is not helping your cause. I hope we can maintain a relationship despite our differences, but that will only happen if you can respect my freedom to believe as I do."

    1. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you I appreciate your answer, and I love it! Hehehe

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You love "complacency?" GROW!

  16. paichece profile image61
    paicheceposted 2 years ago

    tell them that is you are child of god then if this person dose not want to be bother,

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Is Paganism a "child of God?"

    2. MonkeyShine75 profile image76
      MonkeyShine75posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely, is a christian a child of God?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NO!  Not until they "BELIEVE" His "rightly divided Word!" STUDY !! Tim 2:15; THIS WAY!! Isaiah 28:10-13!!! In the RIGHT ERA!

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My children are of my God, not the bibles God. Osiris gave me the gift of children, so they are of him... They were divine miracles. I know that Him and Isis saw that I truly wanted children, and decided my heart was worthy of them.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My heart breaks if you think "magic" created your children!  My God!  What else is Satan going to come up with to win souls?  It breaks my heart!

  17. SouradipSinha profile image83
    SouradipSinhaposted 2 years ago

    Please focus on other "Important social issues" if you want to do a charity work and stop bothering me.

    1. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I like your answer too! smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This world is "temporary!"  Social work is good (in Scripture) but "eternal life" is what's being discussed!  If bother, why read?

  18. the rawspirit profile image87
    the rawspiritposted 2 years ago

    I think that its always good to be open to discussion. Being a Catholic, I am continually asked by my CHRISTIAN friends to join them in being born again. I understand what they are talking about as I have been there and done that. But they are my friends and I love them, so I always listen and let them know that I appreciate them sharing their hearts with me. Then I go on my way. if its someone who is not a friend then, it will depend on how much time I have. Blessings.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus (aka Holy Spirit) said in Gal 1:6-9 that you must do as the "Apostles" did after they estab CHURCH in Acts or "ACCURSED!"  (Acts 2:42)  Blessings!

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for your answer, and I like yours as well. Norine, you will never understand that others do not agree with you and when they don't you can't insult their beliefs. Mine have been around far longer than yours, but u stl say urs has been..

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I only "repeat" GOD'S Words! It's not me "insulting" but GOD'S Word as it's suppose to do! (Heb 4:12) I love ALL! Why would I desire "none is lost" if I didn't care? 

      Again, answer my question!  What other book gives prophesies we've "seen" fulfill

    4. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But we haven't see them fulfilled hahaha only you and the crazies that follow the bible THINK they see them, but no one else has hahaha

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Study!

  19. clivewilliams profile image85
    clivewilliamsposted 2 years ago

    Say "Stop Trying To Convert Me!" you cannot get any more graceful than that.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      R u a believer? Why do we "appease" one another which is "against" the Word of God rather than telling "truth?"  Paganism's is "against" His Word!

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      clivewilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      okayyyyyyyy

    3. FatFreddysCat profile image98
      FatFreddysCatposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Could it beeeeeee.... oh, I dunno.....SATAN??????

    4. Austinstar profile image87
      Austinstarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You're going to have to say, "Norine, STOP Trying to Convert Me!" possibly in all caps with lots of punctuation symbols!#@&&&*()??""

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CW: "If u are ashamed of me I'll be ashamed of you" Jesus said  Lk 9:26!
      Keith: Yes, when their "fruit" shows!
      Austin: Why read?

    6. FatFreddysCat profile image98
      FatFreddysCatposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again with the "fruit," Norine? You're repeating yourself.  Are you running out of material?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Matthew 12:31-37 but v35 "A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things,and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things."  (Rd ALL)

      We know ALL by their "fruit" according to what I blv - Scripture!

    8. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hahaha I love you guys! I been trying to explain to her for weeks, that no matter what I DO NOT believe in SATAN! He doesn't EXIST! No one is following Satan except for Christians because they believe in him!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Whatever u call "evil" (Satan/chaos) it exists!  It's a spirit that infiltrates the "mind" (demon) to have one believe wrong is right & right is wrong! 

      Don't let him deceive you!

  20. fpherj48 profile image77
    fpherj48posted 2 years ago

    Ta-Iset......"mother-in-law"  issues of interference can be DREADFUL.  I feel for you.  I did not have any MIL troubles......at least not face to face.  My sister-in-law (we were married to brothers).& I....had a strong bond and of course we KNEW that our MIL had her opinions and things to say "behind our backs.."  but that just made us laugh.  At least she was wise enough to never start any unpleasant discussions with either of us.   It could have gotten ugly because we're both the type of women to tell people EXACTLY what we're thinking.  So much for that!

    I have read this entire thread.....despite the fact that one person here is most incredibly repetitive and severely annoying.......Oh please help us when we hook one of those single-minded, brain-washed, hijacked individuals!   Let's face it.  It's a complete waste of energy, oxygen and logic to respond to them.  My opinion is....leave them be in their small, stifled & ignorant world. They're happy...or so they profess!

    Hey all!   Take Notice and beware.  We've been forewarned "GOD IS WATCHING."    Reminds me of a joke I heard a long time ago.......
    10 year olds, Johnny & Jimmy were in the cafeteria line for lunch in school.....There was a NUN standing by the basket of apples.  She told the children to TAKE JUST ONE APPLE.....and GOD was WATCHING them!.....So down the line Johnny & Jimmy went after taking just ONE apple.....They got to the very end and there was a huge pile of chocolate cookies.  Johnny started grabbing handfuls of cookies and piling them on his tray!!   Horrified, Jimmy said, "Johnny....WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!"   Johnny said....."Go ahead, take as many as you want.....God's watching the apples!!"...........
    I think this thread could use a bit of levity!.....Whew.  Those fanatics sure get rough to handle!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Paula: One is either a "believer" or not!  If a "believer," there's NOTHING but Scripture!  If annoying, why read?  Don't upset yourself for that is NOT my intent!  Just expressing my "belief!" II Timothy 3:16!

    2. fpherj48 profile image77
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Trust me Norine,oh child of God. We are ALL 100% painfully aware of your firm, dedicated, convictions. I read because I WANT to.ONE fly in the ointment will not keep me from my friends. U would be wise to tone down UR snippiness. It's unacceptable.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I give Word fm Scripture Paula! That's all I have!  If  "truth" upsets, ????

    4. fpherj48 profile image77
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Norine.  You're absolutely correct.   That's ALL you have.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you!  Being a "believer," I blv Rm 8:8 "So, then, they that are in the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD!"  So my actions pleases GOD, not man, which is my "intent!"

    6. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Paula, I loved your post so much! smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You would!  It reflects everything against the Word of God!  But "both" will be remembered! Woe unto you! 

      Until "both" learn to "Walk in the Spirit" and "Lean not to your OWN understanding," there will be repercussions!!!

      For It is Written!

    8. fpherj48 profile image77
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine. Here's the simple reality. U have no photo, no Bio, 9 mos here- no HUBS. This equates to ZERO credibility in the community. 4 all any of us know, U R posting from the day rm. of a psyche ward. U're just another troll. Take ur meds & a nap

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But u do!  And? U still have said "Nothing" that equates to "eternal life!  So go get your Bible & begin reading "something" that will not only help u, but others for this world is only temporary!

      Eva: And we know ALL by their "fruit!"

    10. fpherj48 profile image77
      fpherj48posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ta-Islet.....PLEASE, Close this question down to any further comments...before this PATHETIC PSYCHO blows a main artery!.....ENOUGH of the insanity & the RANTS!!!   It's a SICKNESS! Thank you!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And "the world" speaks & continues to move farther from GOD!  Again!

      Can't ALL see, "If u continue to do what you've always done, you're going remain the same?" U like where world is headed?   

      We certainly will "know them by their "fruit!"

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, we know ALL by their "fruit!"

    13. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Alright I'm closing this question and opening a forum, for me and Norine to debate. I don't want these nice people to be bothered anymore, I apologize everyone, I will take our stubbornness else where. I will link it to you Norine.

  21. MonkeyShine75 profile image76
    MonkeyShine75posted 2 years ago

    I agree with Christin Sander, and sometimes you have to be blunt-after all, they don't mind telling you, you're going to H---, if you don't become a Christian. I mean how insulting if that for a person to judge you as lost? Pretty insulting, I would say

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      MA: Either one "Believes" His Word or not!  WE "don't tell you," His Word does!  WE repeat IT!

      "Insulting?"  Hebrews 4:12 "ALIVE, ACTIVE, CUTS!" For WHO wants to hear "truth?" 

      Just continue to "appease" self & others! Not Scripture!

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree it is insulting, I don't go around telling them that Osiris will throw their heart to Sekhmet for believing in a black book of hate... I totally agree with you! <3

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If u were a prostitute & I called you a prostitute, would it not insult?  That's what the Disciples do: Tell ppl what is in the Scriptures & most don't won't to hear for it contradicts their lifestyle or hurts so they insult!  Study!

  22. anisurrups profile image60
    anisurrupsposted 2 years ago

    please read carefully religion book. internet is one of the best policy in this way

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No matter how "man" has lied, the Holy Spirit will "reveal!" 

      Internet has lies as well!

      EVERYTHING done in dark will come to light!

    2. Ta-Iset profile image73
      Ta-Isetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't quite understand what I'm being asked to do. Read the bible? I have, I didn't feel comfortable with the concept that one God says do not worship other Gods, which means there must be more than him. Then bullies his "Children". Mine doesn't

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes false gods! Do you not "discipline" your children AFTER you've TOLD THEM right from wrong?  What father (Father) wouldn't do this if he/He loves his children?

  23. word55 profile image72
    word55posted 2 years ago

    No, thank you, I'm comfortable as I am. I don't feel like a Christian, I don't believe as one and your God can't get a prayer out of me. So, don't try to push me to believe. I want to run my world, my way. Okay? When your God produces for you, a million dollars then maybe. Until then, I'm not coming.

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