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   BDazzlerposted 15 years ago

   Just a general observation ... both LDS and JW (Jehovah's Witnesses) come to your door and tell you their "bible stuff". 
   
   For that reason their beliefs and doctrines are often confused with one another.  I think a lot of what people are saying about LDS, that confuses Golden Path, are in, fact teachings of JW.
   
   I respect that absolute need for each person to come to their own conclusions regarding the truth of any ultimate reality, (if God exists, if he/she/it does then which, if any, religion comes close to expressing his/her/their true nature plans, etc.)  Sometimes, that includes the necessity of explaining why "their way" is "the best way".
   
   I believe there are enough things in LDS that contradict what I see as clear in the bible,  and things I've seen that I firmly believe are "of God" that I reject the official teachings of LDS, while respecting the basic integrity of many of the individuals who follow their teachings. 
   
   Anyway ... I think a lot of the things that are being said about LDS doctrines in this thread actually apply more to JW doctrines.

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   Hokeyposted 15 years ago

   Buddhists say Namaste also.
   
   Namaste!! 

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      Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah I noticed that. You're a worthy teacher.
      
      Namaste.

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         Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
         "No", answered Buddha.
         "Then are you a healer?"
         "No", Buddha replied.
         "Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
         "No, I am not a teacher."
         "Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
         "I am awake", Buddha replied.
         
         
         
         I am just awake...   Thank You PB

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            Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            
            That's really humerous Hokey! Nice one!
            I would only sarcastically say then that the venerable Buddha must have some really stupid students. Yuk Yuk. Hey, but at least Buddha has a sense of humour. I wonder if his student chose to take offence?
            You know, many time speakers in our church services start out with a moment of levity, but they don't end that way ... any how I hope you spread some good serious wisdom at work - just throw in the humour with a good Spirit for those who are not yet able to bear the nitty gritty.

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               lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               

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   eleymarposted 15 years ago

   You can pray all day. Ask and u shall recieve it says in the bible. Praying is is acknowledging gods presence. You can put that in gods hands also.

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   Randy Godwinposted 15 years ago

   Did someone say "viper"?

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      Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      "Randy G."  recently received the golden, sinister, nefarious, wicked award of "Mormon Treachery of the Year" via Satan, himself.  ...And I unduly congratulate him upon his works for the fairness of humanity.  Amen-amen, as the crowd goes into an 'applause out loud' status...  LOL!
      I still think those crazed preachers need to pay tax on their revenue like the rest of us common bastards...  Ha-ha!

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   flread45posted 15 years ago

   They are compassionate folks..

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      Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Who?  The fools/suckers?  Or the ones who steal from society?

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   Randy Godwinposted 15 years ago

   I do recognize fangs when I see them.

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      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Fangs for noticing.

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   Jersey Jessposted 15 years ago

   They have big families

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   Randy Godwinposted 15 years ago

   It's simple really, these guys inevitably kick their own ass's.

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   Cagsilposted 15 years ago

   Believe it or not Randy, there are people within the religious community that know religion's GOD doesn't exist, yet they purposely perpetuate the hoax of it, so as to gain special benefits/rewards, because they realize it's control factor.
   
   There are many cheaters out there too. Not, just people who don't know any better. Some do it on purpose, the question is can you pick them out of the crowd?

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      Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Cags, I've known a couple of preachers who separately admitted to me it was all false. One of them defended himself by saying it was good for the flock.
      
      I found both of them disgusting.

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         Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I should point out that I am not saying I believe gp here is a total fraud. I just think that he is doing no more than what he has been trained to do by the LDS church.
         
         I feel sorry for him, too, by the way. I am not without empathy.

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      Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Religion has always been about control, Cags.  A religious power trip is no different than a political or economic one.  In some cases it may be a combination of any or all of the three.
      
      But yes, I can pick them out from the crowd.  They love to hear themselves speak.  Condescension and patronization is part of their treatment of those they see as unworthy of their knowledge and stature.  They feel entitled, thus they know no better.
      
      This thread has served a purpose despite the anger it has produced in some.  It is still quite novel to me as I certainly do not care about what this little man thinks.  At least now we know what he thinks, and he is supposed to be a High Priest.

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    Pandoras Boxposted 15 years ago

    What do you know about Mormons?

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Are you asking me?

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    Onusonusposted 15 years ago

    You have been promoted to a High Parasite. Congratulations. You must be very proud.
    
    Did you think about this crazed version of cow dung when you was, say, 5 or 10 years old or did this get installed into your cranial structure...later on in life?
    
    Hey, congratulations, you have a fetish for senseless poppycock!
    
    Are you fu*kin' serious? You actually believe that sh*t you spew outward? Ha-ha! You are either oblivious to reality or a damn fool, and I hope, for your sake, you're just plain stupid - god bless, of course.
    
    Heres some of the words that have been thrown at GP, I didn't even have to look back very far.

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       Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Proverbs 26: 22 “The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.”
       Proverbs. 22: 24, 25 “Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.
       Proverbs. 24: 16 “For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.”

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       Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I would say it was only restraint which made the comments less offensive than he truly deserved.  Besides, the priest refused to answer questions no matter how polite he was asked.  How about looking back and listing the offensive things he said to others. 
       
       But that's right, you are probably terrified of his power over you, so better not!

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          Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You are kidding, right? The guy practically wrote a novel answering those loaded questions.  Go to sleep dude, it's way past 4:20.

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             Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You are correct in that the little man almost wrote a novel.  In fact he mostly quoted from Joe's novel as his answers, or lack of them. 
             
             You know very well I am far from kidding about him.  He has done much more harm than good by representing the Mormon church in such a narrow minded manner.  He exhibits fright and paranoia when facing challenges he is not equipped to face.
             
             He attacks those he fears and accuses them of not being pure or intelligent enough to understand his musings.  Both of you deserve the chains you wear for your god.

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                Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                He must be stopped!  His lunacy has gone too far!
                If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Mormon family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Mormon boy survives without any Mormon education, with no Temple and no BYU, it [Mormonism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a chapel or a BYU or a Book of Mormon, the Mormon spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Mormon, not a single one, who does not personify it!
                
                Randy I believe that Providence has ordained that you should be the greatest liberator of humanity.  You are freeing man from the restraints of an intelligence that has taken charge, from the dirty and degrading self-mortification of a false vision called conscience and morality, and from the demands of a freedom and independence which only a very few can bear!
                Sing along!
                
                We are the joyous Godwin youth,
                We do not need any Christian virtue
                Our leader is our savior
                The Prophet and Rabbi shall be gone
                We want to be pagans once again!
                
                Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer.
                Heil Godwin!

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                   Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   This is a perfect example of Mormon's ability to be tolerant.  They ask others to please be tolerant, but they cannot be so themselves. 
                   
                   The sad little man claims to want to answer questions about your faith but then dodges and darts every which way to avoid giving any response which he deems "too difficult for the questioner to comprehend."
                   
                   In other words, we are not intelligent or enlightened enough to even consider the answer.  He decides what intellect and comprehension we possess, like he has that capability.  Insults to everyone.
                   
                   You guys tout the fact that Mormons are often criticized and ridiculed because of your faith.  I no longer wonder why this is the case.  No matter what good you do, and all religious faiths do some charity work of some kind, it is counteracted by your attitudes of superiority. This attitude, in reality, only comes across as superstition and ignorance on your part.
                   
                   Too bad "Mein Kampf" had not been written when Joe was making up the Book of Mormon, he would have plagiarized it too.  But carry on as you usually do, we are accustomed to the Mormon's idea of tolerance and truth.

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Astounding. You actually think you are better than other people, don't you? Dear me.
                   
                   Your priest has convinced me that Mormons are self serving, money-grubbing, passive-aggresive hypocrites - just like real christians.
                   
                   But I wouldn't expect a person such as yourself to understand why - so you just put it down to my intolerance if that makes you feel superior.

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                      Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      I am Super Mormon, thanks for blowing my cover you despicable little baby clown!

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                         tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         Why do you despise so much what  others say ?
                         I thought Mormons follow the word of Christ !
                         
                         
                         I think you're completely lost !
                         Funny !
                         
                         
                         Thanks for the laughs ,anyway !

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                            Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            How dare you question me!!! Thirty lashings in town square!
                            Guards, take her away.......

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                               tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               
                               Love your humour !
                               
                               But I think I'm the one who's going to lash you !

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                            Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Yeah WWJD and all that. Maybe this is an example of WWJosephSmithD. Whatever it is, it isn't working, and I'm not impressed. These people are lost.

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         I knew the clown would get to you.

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                            Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Oh why did it have to be a clown!?
                            This is just like that scene in Ghostbusters when Dan Aykroyd picked the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man to kill them.

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                               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               But it is such a friendly little clown.....
                               
                               

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             Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I agree that a few novels were written, one in particular, but I noticed that every attempt was made to avoid answering certain significant questions. When compelled to answer, the answers were indirect or given with a tone of condescension or persecution. Three or four times the given answers could only be defined as untruths. And I don't mean that in a philosophical way.
             
             I don't care what religion it is, when I see hypocrisy, assumed superiority, hatred, or the spreading of sheer ignorance, it's offensive. Someone who's been in ministry for twenty years ought to be understanding, forgiving and tolerant. How do you answer wrath? What's that thing you turn? If asked to walk a mile out of your way what do you do?
             
             Someone with no basic, common understanding shouldn't be preaching to others. An understanding that prompts a preacher to say things like "you won't understand", "it'd take too long to go into that here", "I understand that your pride prevents you from believing"...
             
             This is someone who exhibits his own lack of growth, and teaches the same to others as a model of superiority!
             
             It has nothing to do with the particular religion. I can have arguments with atheists if they're eggheads about things. I know this to be true because I just finished an argument with one today. It has to do with integrity, honesty, understanding, sincerity and humility. When those things are lacking I don't care how high up in whatever organization a person thinks he or she is, he or she has no right to respect. Hiding behind a religion doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.

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             Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             4:20-LOL

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          sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Randy! I know things get alittle testy here sometimes and we defend our beliefs with all our hearts. Religion is a topic that can be divisive and raise passions for or against to a fevered pitch. The key is tolerance, not the tolerance thats a doubled edge sword, real tolerance. Atheists and a lot of liberals think we're nuts maybe we are but we're still people with feelings and it's not lip service we really do care. Cut Golden a break, I know he bugs some of you but thats his way. Hubbers are a family of good but different people and I wouldn't want it any other way. Thanks Bro!

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             Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I know what you mean, Sneako, and I do respect you for attempting to intercede for the priest.  Tolerance and respect works both  ways though, not just for Mormons. 
             
             But you know he loves this kind of thing, don't you?  He adores being the shield between "his" people and what "he" considers the Adversary. 
             
             As long as he has the gall to spread his version of history upon those ignorant enough to know no better, he can expect nothing but more criticism and disdain.  "Do the crime, do the time." I do not converse with him any longer, just like others he has insulted with his zeal.  Have a good night, Sneako!

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       If you had looked further, you would have realised he was as agressive with a lot of hubbers.
       
       an advice :
       don't speak for others, speak for yourself. That way you won't get in trouble over such nonsenses !

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    Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years ago

    What do I know about Mormons?
    
    They are real fine people, who give to those in need, believe in selfless service, and worship their God, who is Jesus Christ, in a most reverent and fulfilling way. I know that they also believe that “Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.” I also know that they do not take joy in trashing people, or their ideas, and most especially their faiths. I also know, just by being one, that they are all just human beings subject to the same desires and temptation as everyone else. Throughout my experience, I have gained a great respect for all the practicing  Mormons I have ever had the privilege of getting to know. I esteem them and their doctrine, and I struggle to live as righteously as most of them do.

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       sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Tim.

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    (Q)posted 15 years ago

    Hate speech. You won't get banned for it as it is your right and duty to propagate it under the banner of your religion.

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    Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years ago

    I remember when I was in a few secular college classes and some concepts of Mathematics were being taught. This word TAUGHT must be qualified however; the term lectured upon would be more appropriate, because only a portion of the students actually grasped the concepts brought forward. The teacher (professor) put forth His/her KNOWLEDGE to a classroom full of students, of which I was one. The knowledge that each student actually gained was evidenced in the examinations subsequent to the lectures and a period of exercise and testing of the concepts - practice, in other words. Some students would do well and some would not. Some also fit somewhere in between, like me.
    
    After the test procedure, usually what happened next was more or less predictable.
    
    1.    Those who were natural shit-disturbers
    2.    Those who were frightened and immature
    3.    And those who had some type of vendetta against the teacher
    
    then openly displayed their ignorance and resorted to questionable behaviour blaming the teacher for not knowing enough about the subject, thus having taught the concepts improperly, and not nearly expertly enough for THEM to understand.
    
    a.    They complained that they were not given enough time to study, exercise, and test the methods presented before the examination.
    b.    They cried that his marking was unfair.
    c.    Some pleaded for more marks, bickering over minor things they were warned about and were most certainly expected to know already, if they had done their homework.
    d.    Some even erupted into an immature manner of attack towards the teacher’s integrity, professionalism, and non-related personal addendums of disrespect. (I can testify to you that these were they who were most boastful and arrogant previous to the new classes, and generally of little humility in their other more successful pursuits.)
    
    Today, I wonder how satisfied they remain after displaying their various episodes of attempted justification (which we know is just an excuse), recorded in the consciousness of all in attendance, who from time to time relate their witness to others (hopefully to benefit). After all, those poor no-gooders and failures were supposed to be mature students, who placed themselves into the venue of the Mathematics forum, of their own volition - to attend the specific classes with a common goal of learning; indeed, to be taught by an authority whose credentials had already been proven and established. And to be further tutored by those of less credential (yet accredited in the same school of thought) whose know-how and experience is still sufficient to bear witness to the doctrines of appropriate magnitude. Yes, I wonder if they will ever be satisfied at all.
    
    NOTING the storyline above, can we now move forward with a more disciplined approach? This, for the benefit of the HUGE silent community of observers, inside and outside of HubPages, who read but do not speak because of their apprehension, and indeed their preference to not subject themselves to the ill-informed participants who hold a bigoted view of Mormons, and indeed hold no current inaugurated credentials into the various subject matter of this forum??? Thank you for your consideration.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Not a hope in hell sweetie pie. Passive aggressive attacks from people who consider themselves to be superior when in fact they are poorly educated hypocrites who prefer to lie will always be so. And no homilies will change that. Here - you earn respect - you do not demand it. Sorry - you have convinced me even more that your belief system deserves nothing but disdain. Sadly - you  do not deserve an explanation because clearly you are not ready to learn from a master or philosophy such as myself.
       
       Come back when you have learned some manners.
       
       I must admit - I had no particular view of Mormons until I began to listen to your priest. Now I do.
       
       What a shame you chose to miss an opportunity to learn from one as magnificent as I.
       
       How long were you in a LOL secular LOL class?
       
       Not very long I will warrant.

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          Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          So basically what you are saying is, when you run into a Sweedish, Norwegan, Danish, Dutch, Scandinavian, French, German, Russian, English, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Austrian, Mongolian, Chineese, Japaneese, Tibetan, Vietnameese, Cambodian, Indonesian, Guamanian, Fijian, Hawaiian, (and /or any other various Pacific or Atlantic Islander) Nigerian, Botswanan, Libian, Mormon, Egytpian, Greek, Saudi, Iranian, Iraqi, Israeli, Turkish, Australian, American, Mexican, Canadian, Peruvian, Chilian, Hatian, Congan,  Brazilian, South African, Morrocan, Leboneese, Laotian, Phillipino, Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Seventh day Adventist, Bhudist, Thai, Panamanian, Hindu, Baptist, Alasken, Antartican (and their uppity penguins), Bahai, Democrat, Republican, Dominican, Argintenian, Moslem, or Madagascarian, (or any other Race, creed, or national origin that I may have left out),  that you don't agree with, you will discredit their entire culture?
          How interesting......

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Well - I have only met 8 Mormons, and they all seem cut from the same cloth. But - I hear ya.
             
             You don't seem any worse that a typical Christian., Take flightkeeper for example - passive aggressive attacks seem to be part of the Christian religion.  And it is wrong - I get dozens of people writing and thanking me for showing a belief in god for what it really is.

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                Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Just shows how passive agressive you are. If people are going to choose to like or dislike somone or a particular genre based on the fact that somtimes they do the same thing as the opposition, then they fail to realize that we are all cut from the same cloth.
                For instance you now have a particular view of 14 million Mormons based on your interactions with Eight. Is this logical Mr. Spock? I think you might want to broaden the survey a tad before you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Like I said - I hear ya.As I said - I only know 8 Mormons personally - but so far - 100% of them display the same traits, so....
                   
                   Do you all go in for the marrying dead people and thinking the earth is only 6,000 years old - or is that only some of you?

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                      Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Most of us, I believe.
                      however the 6000 years thing I think starts after Adam was Born, so it's possible that stuff happened before then.

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         OK - well, "most of you" are delusional then. Although I see you backing down from the 6000 years thing. When Adam was born huh? go? So - this allows for dinosaurs and stuff millions of years ago?
                         
                         Next - how many of you think you are special and going to live as gods on another planet after you die?

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                            Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            none.

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                               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               So - you speak for all 14 million of you now then?

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                                  Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                  Nope just myself. In my personal opinion noone believes that they will live on their own planet, because there is nothing that I have read about being in possesion of or living on a particular planet that I've ever seen. what's the name of the planet?

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                                     Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                     Uranus?

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                                        Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                        What? is it showing? Sorry, I'll tuck it in.
                                        Can you see it now?

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                                           Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                           

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                                        Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                        LOL!

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                            goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Hopefully, none of us.  That would be prideful.  Those are specific blessings bestowed by the Father.  I don't think I will.  I don't dare.  My goal is to be worthy to rise in the mornings of the First Resurrection, to come forth and to raise my firstborn son who died as an infant.  That's my goal.

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                               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               Priest - your hubris is like a beacon in the night.
                               
                               Sorry to hear about your son. He is dead. Nothing will change that.

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                               Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               Well it will be only a short while till you are with him again.

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          Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You should have reminded him that some people are also "taught" by idiots.  In this case, you have moronic followers to imbecilic leaders/priests, et cetera.  This asinine act of crazed, organized religion aficionados almost mimics a gene pool of inbreds that continue to breed their never-ending reign of stupidity.  Simply put, some of these morons can and will never think for their own selves...as they have to read what someone else said to someone else.  Hmm..., that sounds like urban myths, of some sorts!  Ha-ha!

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          Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          This retort dislays arrogantly just what you are saying is wrong with others.
          
          
          
          And I suppose to that YOU have earned respect, but can NEVER loose it, especially with such an absolute statement. Same goes for those that write their own credentials.
          
          
          
          This forum is more Theological than philosophical.
          
          
          
          My disertation to which you comment on bore no malice, nor did it directly insult any with this kind of parental chastisement, my son. (No, I take that son part back - I'm not Catholic)
          
          
          
          MY (and I underline MY) point exactly.
          
          
          
          I choose (most of) my medicine wisely. Besides, Mark, why would I choose to seek knowledge from an unaccredited source, even one that (again here) flagrantly boasts of his own magnificence, sarcastically or not?
          
          
          
          I stayed the Full Course, indeed long enough to be accredited with a passing grade, you jovial guy you.

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Just didn't get it did ya? I knew you were too under developed to understand. Sorry sweetie pie. Come back when you have developed a basic understanding of irony.

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                Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I learned a term once when I was in recovery for substance abuse. It is called Emotional Immaturity. Unfortunately, some adults refuse parental guidance (or, more correctly Parental Wisdom). Their stunted emotional growth therefore remains, in contrast to, and in irony of their intlligence. The dog that barks too much has the same problem.

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                   Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   I think Tim just said he has a fetish for mental dependency, nice...  Ha-ha!

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                      Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      English Tim, english...  Irony is upon that arse of yours...  Tell 'em, Mark... LOL!

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                      Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      
                      
                      Obscurely Diverse, I have been avoiding talking with you, but I can now not resist. Once again, ignoring the derogatory offensive, it is obvious from your remark that you disagree with someone using their own faculties to consider and side with learned and experienced theological sages and erudites of secular thought. Perhaps you can tell me what you would do if you EVER read a book?

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                         Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         I don't have to read very much, nor do I need very many resources.  I'm simply, utterly, highly intuitive.  It is a fact, whether anyone else, including myself, likes it or not.    Hey, so why not have fun with it?  I can't help it, that I fell off the spaceship.  Those alien bastards never came back, either.  Ha-ha!

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Yes - I know you are good at passive aggressive attacks. You don't need to keep making them.
                   
                   Now look up the word "irony."

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       Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Tim, gotta hand it to you and Golden. Both of you have been very patient with the disturbed clowns. If anything I have to laugh because I've never seen so many of these shit disturbers this disturbed.  In their hope of shutting down the religious it actually just spawned more threads on religious topics. The effect is the opposite of what they were trying to do, and it's obvious to the rest of us their immaturity.  Don't worry, keep moving forward and you have provided me some insights to Mormonism as well as some inadvertent amusement because of the clowns trying to get to you.

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          (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, and if it were us that said those things about you, we'd get banned for attacking.
          
          But, it's all good, because you're Christian, and they can never do any wrong.

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             Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             "Q" has just made an excellent point for y'all challenged, religious people with struggling cognitive function...  I concur!

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          Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you Flightkeeper; Respect.

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          Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Flightkeeper-
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    Paradise7posted 15 years ago

    I'd actually like to know a little bit about Mormons, here.  Maybe this is the wrong place to go.  All's I really know is that Donnie and Marie Osmond came from a Mormon family and as far as I know, are still practicing that religion.
    
    What I'm curious about--do Mormons still believe in polygamous marriages?

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       goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       We do not practice polygamy and have not for over a century.  We believe the practice was instituted, and also halted, under the direction of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Yes, the Osmonds are LDS.  In fact, recently one of their nephews served his mission here in southwest Iowa where I am.

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          Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you for answering the question, goldenpath.  What does LDS stand for?  I know I'm exposing my complete ignorance, here.

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             Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Oh, never mind...Latter Day Saints, is that right?

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                goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Latter-day Saints LDS)

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                   Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   What is the provenance of "Latter Day Saints"?  What does that phrase mean, to a Mormon?  I'm just asking for information, very neutrally, and believe me, will NOT attack any answer you may have.  I'm really just very curious about this religion.  It attains the status of myth, almost, in the West of my country.

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                      goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      When the Church was organized revelation came to the prophet that the Church would be called, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  "Latter-day Saints" is only to differentiate between the primitive Church and the Restored Church here in the latter days.  It is part of our accepted revelation that the Lord said that if it was Moses' church it would be the Church of Moses, the same with Joseph Smith, Adam and many others, but it was not - it was the Lord's restored Church.

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       (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Marie's 18 year old son just committed suicide.

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       Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       They finally had to halt the practice of polygamy less than a century ago because they were being 'persecuted' by the laws of this country and the then leader was tired of always being on the run. Plus they were pretty broke at the time.
       
       Realizing their religion would die out quickly if they didn't begin to conform to our nation's laws and popular opinion, they made up a new revelation to negate the old one.

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          Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Polygamy never worked out well in biblical times either, but it was a higher law and if Joseph were to be the  prophet of the restoration of the gosple, then he would have to bring back polygamy for a short time along with all the other ordinances in order for it to be a full restoration.

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             Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             Well said.

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    TNmoonshineposted 15 years ago

    They knock on your door, usally when your havin Dinner!!!!

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    livelongerposted 15 years ago

    Most Mormons I've met have been outwardly friendly people.
    
    However, their attitudes towards minorities are often deplorable (black people a few decades ago, gay people now).

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       Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Not up my*ss!

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          Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Imight even live longer! !!

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    Hokeyposted 15 years ago

    So do Mormons have the same concept of heaven that Christians do GP?

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       goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I dare say no.  Actually, you will find a wide variety of concepts within Christianity itself.  However, I admit that we hold a concept not widely accepted of heaven and hell.  In a "nutshell" (people will love that term used by me ) we view heaven as we would the eternal nature of man.  A part of the glory of man's existence is the ability to choose, agency, and progression through continued learning, work and expansion.

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          hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          and the occasional vicarious baptism :0P

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       Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hokey!  You look great after the hair transplant.  Not as mystical, though!

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          Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          

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          Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Thats not me. Thats my brother

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             Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             So, he ain't heavy?

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                Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                He just died. See my thread "Need Positive Thoughts"

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                   Timothy Donnellyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   
                   
                   Hokey, sorry to hear to hear you have lost someone close to you. May your friend’s spirit transcend mortality and receive the splendours of heaven. God bless you with postive thoughts. Condolences to his family.

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                   Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   I'm sorry, Hokey.  You must be going through a rough time. Peace to you and your family.
                   
                   Randy

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    Diskobolosposted 15 years ago

    >>What do you know about Mormons?
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    They like to party hard.

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    A Texanposted 15 years ago

    Y'all have over 1500 reply's to this post, you surely don't like Mormons, hateful,hateful,hateful!

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       Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I used to, until I got to know a few of them.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    What do you know about Mormons?
    
    In terms of Deuteronomy Joseph Smith, Jr., was not a truthful Messenger Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH or Christian-God-the-Father.
    
    He was killed like any untruthful Prophet as per Deuteronomy .
    
    Mormons are his followers.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Joseph Smith, Jr., did not receive any Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; hence he was a false Prophet. Mormons who follow Joseph Smith, Jr., should realize it.
       
       Thanks

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          ... as should all religionists!

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          pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Please present your evidence for this proclamation…cus I know you aren’t one of them duddle bugs.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    

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    pylos26posted 14 years ago

    What do you know about Mormons?
    
    I know that one of the top morman dudes recently made the FBI's 10 most wanted list. Too many infant wives would be a good guess why. such behavior seems to cut across the grain of society.

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    goldenpathposted 14 years ago

    How pathetic!  And you call me self righteous.  All of you who proclaim in your own knowledge yet live and die by the unchecked information you shovel off the internet.  You have no clue of what you are talking about.  Just the fact that you are rehashing this old thread shows that you are hell bent on slander and have nothing better to do than sit in front of your computer and disect and tear down the faith of others.  His name shall be had for good and bad in this world and it's definitely true since everyone wants to believe every little tidbit of false information about Joseph Smith.  It matters not to me what you think.  To me this is in fulfillment of prophesy about his name.  What is needed here is for everyone to stop and think about what you are doing.  Not necessarily to Joseph but in general you are creating a frenzy as hungry wolves about something you know not and you are doing it at the expense of your own valuable time which you should be spending with your family or in personal study.  Drooling through your own teeth cannot bring hope and goodwill to the heart and soul of mankind.  So take a higher road.  Yes, a more difficult road but a better road.  I ask this for your own happiness.  Please stop this thread.  It's got darkness all over it.

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       pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Whoa…sounds like the good preacher goes to extreme measures to attempt to “cover up” the  mormon’s cold blooded massacre of men, women and children  in Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, 1857.  Condescending proclamations and lies do little to stop anyone from reading and learning about murderous religious sects. Just google “mormon massacre” and see what ya get.  Guess them fanatics will condemn google also.

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          Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          As has been stated time and again, The massacre occured contrary to the directions of the leadership of the church. The fact remains that they were constantly persicuted and driven out of three states, and the US Government was constantly harassing them. There were several factions leading up to this unfortunate event and it seems that whenever somone who is attached to an unpopular group commits a crime the first reaction is to slander the entire organization. The bottom line is that it happened over 150 years ago. What else you got?

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             Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             In fact I encourage people to read about the story to get some insight on what actually happened.
             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_M … osecutions
             
             http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

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             pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             "MORMONS BAPTIZE NOTORIOUS KILLERS".    Wow...now what is this about?
             
             Spin this for us Onus...

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                Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                We believe in performing viacarious baptisms in behalf of our deceased ancestors no matter what we think of them.

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                   goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   They do like to circle the wagons don't they.  How's it going on your end of the world?  Conference coming up is something to look forward to.

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                      Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Oh yeah!

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                         goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I had not seen those pictures.  Fascinating!  It just proves that science continues to evolve and new things are found all the time.  People were told the world was flat and people died that claimed otherwise.  People have a difficult time maintaining an open mind.

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                   hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   "We believe in performing viacarious baptisms in behalf of our deceased ancestors no matter what we think of them". Is  God mocked? that a man can live the way he wants and his family will pull him out of his judgment day by a simple means of vicarious baptism. I say NO!
                   
                   (1 Cor. 15:29) "Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?".
                   
                      Mormonism (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), has claimed that this verse supports their view of baptism for the dead. In their practice, individuals go to their local Mormon temple, dress appropriately for a baptism, representatively adopt the name of a person who has died, and then the Mormon is baptized in water for that deceased person. (1)This way, the dead person has fulfilled the requirements of salvation in the afterworld and can enjoy further spiritual benefits in the spiritual realm.
                   
                   (1) Before i continue upon this topic i would like to say that nowhere is baptism in water necessary for salvation. If a person gave his heart and life to god according to:
                     Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".
                     Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation".
                     Romans 10:11 "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed".
                   he is saved!
                   
                   Taking a quick look at the above verses before i debunk this wrong belief in baptizing for the dead, no where above does it say that baptizing brings a person to salvation. Vs 9 confession + belief = thou shalt be saved. Vs 10 heart belief + mouth confession = salvation. Baptizm is a further act a person may do to outwardly and in front of witnesses, make a demonstration of commitment to God but in no way does it cement salvation. What if a person does all in romans 10 9-11 and gets hit by a car and dies before they are immersed in baptism waters? Are they not saved? are they then ashamed? NO, neither. There are only two requirements for salvation and baptism is not one of them.
                   
                   But, the Mormons are incorrect. They have usurped this verse and taken it out of context. So, let's examine 1 Cor. 15 briefly so we can see what Paul is talking about when he mentions baptism for the dead.
                   
                   In verses 1-19, the fact of Christ's resurrection is detailed by Paul. Beginning in verse 20 and going through verse 23, Paul speaks about the order of the resurrection. Christ was the first one raised - in a glorified body - and next will be those who are His at His return. Verses 24 - 29 then mention Christ's reign and the abolition of death. This is when this controversial verse occurs: "Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?"
                   
                   Just north of Corinth was a city named Eleusis. This was the location of a pagan religion where baptism in the sea was practiced to guarantee a good afterlife. This religion was mentioned by Homer in Hymn to Demeter p478-79. The Corinthians were known to be heavily influenced by other customs. After all, they were in a large economic area where a great many different people frequented. It is probable that the Corinthians were being influenced by the religious practices found at Eleusis where baptism for the dead was practiced.
                   
                   Paul used this example from the pagans in 1 Cor. 15:29, when he said, "...if the dead are not raised, then why are they baptized for the dead?" Paul did not say we.
                   
                   This is significant because the Christian church was not practicing baptism for the dead, but the pagans were.
                   
                   Paul's point was simple. The resurrection is a reality. It is going to happen when Jesus returns. Even the pagans believe in the resurrection, otherwise, why would THEY baptize for the dead? A good question if the dead do not rise. See the context, context, context.
                   
                   This verse of scripture does not say that baptizing for a dead person is scriptural or a thing we should do. It is just drawing a comparison and asking the question: if the pagans believe in the dead rising how come you do not?
                   
                   There is no where in the Bible that mentions baptizing for the dead. This scripture is used only once and bible christians know that you cannot take a single verse and make a doctrine out of it or even hold it as a truth without some supporting other scriptures to back it up.
                   
                   sorry mormon dudes but this is just one of the many flaws in your religion.

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                      Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Choosing not to believe that performing baptisms for the dead is a correct doctrine is a personal decision no matter how incorrect your rationalization of scripture is.
                      The fact remains that a prophet of God has been given divine inspiration to re-institute this ancient ordinance along with several other lost ordinances in that same spirit which was bestowed upon the prophet Elijah who returned to "restore all things" -Mark 9:12 through the prophet Joseph.

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                      Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      hanging out-
                      We do not believe that salvation comes by reciting a few lines. Perhaps Paul's words were taking out of context. In my personal opinion, it is as if Paul taught a different gospel. Jesus taught that we must be born of the water and of the spirit, not just recite a few lines.

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    Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago

    There is plenty of information concerning Smith and his time as a "money finder" in old documents.  Of course, the Mormon church claims it is false.  They have no other choice but to do so.  No evidence of the great ancient civilization Smith claimed to exist in America has ever been found!  He made the whole thing up, except what he plagiarized from other works.  But some have bought into it anyway!

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Mormons say they are the only true Christians; Catholics and Protestants are heretics.

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       hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The ones that do not kill or believe in reincarnation and are driven to love everyone including the jew and the gentile are the true christians.
       
       can your religion fill any of those requirements?

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Quran/Islam/Muhammad do not have any teaching to kill anybody; except in defence when attacked aggressively.
          
          Quran/Islam/Muhammad do not believe in reincarnation.
          
          Quran/Islam/Muhammad give teachings to love everybody and hate none.
          
          Yes, my religions is rational, reasonable and full of brilliant arguments in ethical, moral and spiritual realms.

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             Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             Are Muslims (those of the Islam faith) told to kill someone if they leave Islam or if they become a Christian? It is as if people are not giving freedom to choose.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Mormons are not on the right path.

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       IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I tend to agree.

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    Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago

    Or, they could read this :
    
    
    
    http://www.whatismormonism.com/

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       Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Good old randy always coming out of the waxworks with his Anti-Mormon propaganda.

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          Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Did you read the part about the animals Smith claimed were here before the Europeans immigrated to the New World, AA? 
          
          What happened to the horses, elephants, and other animals mentioned in the Mormon novel?  There have bee none of these animals here for over 13,000 years before the Spaniards set foot here in the early 16th century!  Sorry!

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             Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             The only place that elephants are mentioned in the Book of Mormon is in Ether 9:19 in approximately 2500 B.C. Thus any elephants existing upon the American continents need not have survived past about 2400 B.C...Besides the traditions, five elephant effigies have been found in ancient Mexico.

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                Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Heres one.
                

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                   Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   here's another.
                   

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                      Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      here's an old pipe they found
                      

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                         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         How old is the pipe?  Clovis man hunted mastodons and mammoths and often depicted them in different ways.  But again, over 13,000 years ago!

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                Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Effigies are not any proof of the elephants existence here!  There is no remains of any elephantine creature which has been found here after the mass mega-fauna extinctions which occurred here over 13,000 years ago.  Clovis man seems to have disappeared at about the same time.  The drawings you submitted could be construed as being elephants I suppose, but then again, they might not be!   
                
                The horse was not mentioned in your response!

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                   Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Hang on, I've got more elephant pics.

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    Onusonusposted 14 years ago

    Heres one from Palenque, Mexico
    circa 600 A.D.
    

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Surely you have some horse pics somewhere!  Ancient man was prone to drawing on cave walls, especially depictions of their quarry!  There are no elephant bones from the time period you claim they existed.  And what do you suppose killed them all if you claim they were here?

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          Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Here you go.
          
          this is a Pre-Columbian Pictograph from Anubis Cave 2, Colorado. Courtesy of Gloria Farley, "In Plain Sight", 1994

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             Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             
             Pre-Columbian Pictograph from Picture Canyon, Colorado. Courtesy of Gloria Farley, "In Plain Sight", 1994

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                Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Any dates on these, AA?  Pre-Columbian covers millions of years, you know!

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                Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                
                Man on horse, Chichen Itza, Mexico

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                   Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   As you well know, the author is attributing these drawings to Pre-Columbian visits by other European cultures who were well acquainted with these animals.  We already know the Vikings have been here before Columbus.  But this is no proof the animals were here during the time Smith claims.  Absolutely no remains of these creatures have been found to support your claims.  Sorry again!

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                      Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      The ammount of archaeological digging which spans across the meso-american area is small and receives little funding. The evidence which is found by modern day archaeologists always supports the Book of mormon claims and has never to my knowledge contradicted it. Lack of evidence just means an increase of faith to me. The evidence will surface in time.
                      People will always continue to refute the posibility of modern day miracles even when the elephant is staring you in the face.

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                         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Got a link, other than a Mormon site, which shows archaeological evidence always supporting Mormon claims?

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                            Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Nope, don't need one.

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                               Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               Didn't think you could provide one!  LOL!

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    I think Mormons are not on the right path.

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    The Dakota/Lakota tribes claimed to have had horses long before the Spanish arrived in America. This is somewhat substantiated by Louis-Joseph LaVerendrie. The horses looked different than the European equine. They had short legs, curly hair, and were more pony-like in appearance. In other words, they looked more like fjord ponies or the Przewalski's horse.

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       klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Don't believe everything they say. The Wannabe Tribe is growing at an unbelievable rate!
       
       

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    WuldUStilRemebrMeposted 14 years ago

    da dee da dee da.
    
    oh, another question.  Nothing.

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Two horse teeth were found by Carnegie Institute scientists in Mexico, along with Maya pottery from the same strata. A horse skull was also found in a burial pit from the 9th century, but I don't believe it's been carbon dated yet. It could have been placed in the grave at a later time.

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    Frank Menchiseposted 14 years ago

    Mormons claim to be the lost tribe of Israel. And they have their own Mormons book, which wants to prove just that? And they want also to prove that they are christian.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    No. your religion is full of hate and vengeance as is obvious from the words in your psychotic hate filled quoran.

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    klarawieckposted 14 years ago

    From all Christians, I like mormons best. They are kind and don't get in your business. I respect that.

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       A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You respect the homophobia, the racism, the way women are treated? Wow.

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    Rodric29posted 11 years ago

    I know that we love our families and have hope that through Jesus Christ we will continue our association with them beyond death. I know that we are an honest people trying to live the laws to the best of our ability.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       A black mormon? Are you insane?
       
       You dragged up a 2 year old dead thread to tell us how awesome you are?

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       Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Brigham Young  "The Lord had cursed Cain’s seed with blackness and prohibited them the Priesthood."
       
       This you choose to follow?

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    Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years ago

    Wow. I have just read through every post on this hub. Most recent post-Rodric29 has some great posts about blacks & the priesthood. Whenever you want to learn about a topic, a religion especially, it is best to go to the source. It was disappointing to see how many ignorant and negative posts from atheists and others who hate the "Mormons" (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If I may be so bold, if I wanted to know about Jews, would I ask Hitler? 
    We should focus on common beliefs. Metaphorically, with Christianity, consider how different children describe their parents differently. The same could be said of me and the family I came from. This explains why many say they have the truth about God and/or Jesus, but know them differently.
    Many of the critical questions and concerns stem from esoteric beliefs, which may be something that someone said over a hundred years ago, for example. For the core beliefs, see the Articles of Faith for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
    For a religion/denomination that does so much good in the world, it goes to show you how much many people attack it. What I say is "By their Fruits ye shall know them", so if someone is good, you will see it. In my opinion, Satan is hard at work against this faith.
    It is like a good food: You would have to try the food for yourself to know if it is good. What does salt taste like? You must find out for yourself. To all who do not know about the religion, I say that to find out for sure, you must:
    1. Read the Book of Mormon
    2. Attend the church meetings: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/meetingho...
    3. Meet with the missionaries
    Who is anyone to say who is and who isn't Christian? "Mormons" believe in Christ and do their best to live the Gospel of Jesus Christ not in just word but in deed? We believe that we are sinners and that it is through Christ that we can be saved. Don't hold that against us if we choose to do more than recite a few lines and do nothing else.
    We can tell everyone that we are "saved" all we want to. But we believe you must practice what you preach.
    What Jesus Christ taught was revolutionary in His time. What if His restored church was revolutionary at this time in the history of the world?

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       Rockney Briskeyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Your expressing a fruit as though it's fleshly and the flesh profits like what nothing?  Mormons founded by a great sinner and pedophile exalted high and people that knew God knew that it's another gospel and the people are accursed.  There is absolutely no need for there word and they are not Christians niether do they follow the that word. They teach people to knock on doors set others up on a 10% program. The knockers put there trust in man and report to a high so called bishop. There founders were like whore mongers with many wifes and never did any miracles that proved anything but the weight of sin was great and yet Mormons exalt the sinners high and still push this garbage out to people. Yeah the follows look like innocent good hearted faithful ones but if there trust was in Jesus Christ then they would believe his word and be known as Christians but without authority and adding to that word they do a great evil so if they do come as though a angel of light reflecting many good things but yet .....hadn't they know even if a angel bring another gospel  what? Yeah so sinner Joseph smith a guy out to get many peoples wives and Pedophile there leader. Wow ....RUN PEOPLE AND FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST .....God is not the author of confusion and Mormons carry about some added garbage and many carry then also the Good news of Christ i recommend King James version bible original tongues. I became inspired and was teached not by man so much but because I read and i put my trust in God and I kept reading and I came to understand and I speak because I care about people being directed to the truth and not error that sinners and whoremongers established. Don't be fooled by nicely dressed people that are being indoctrinated by there perverted additions. Take the Mormon part out and take away the extra they added to the bible that is not divine and is not needed that they put higher than Christ himself the one that died for our sins that his followers are known as what ? Christians yeah and God is not the author of confusion even as they are confusion known as what .....Mormons something else that even they say they are Mormon but what is it are you Mormon or Christian and if Christian then why hadn't you believed Christ I hope to build there confidence in his Word to believe it and cast off that mormon garbage. Don't trust in mans mouth . Many have learned the truth and escape from that. Find a true Church Of Christ and it has the name Church Of Christ ....even like Romans 16:16 yeah I found truth spoken so well and it's so easy with Christians in the Churches Of Christ and that is not mormons so if it has latter day saints at the end , then that means it's mormons . Besides how can they just turn on and off pologamy and where is there word to direct there paths and where is the authority and who makes there rules . Mormons foundation look at it ....don't be fooled I would give you as much time as possible to help you understand and show you the truth by scripture wich is not hard to understand and I encourage that you don't believe me but believe the written word. Jesus being the ultimate sacrafice and have his written word already what more had we needed that mormons should add something and what value had there confusion brought anyone and I see a foundation build on great sin Bergom young or something and Joseph Smith both with like 40+ wives very sinful and even when locked up and like shot in the head ....they had only perverted things and seeing all the wives seems to me he was addicted to lots of lust and had quite the appetite.

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          Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Rockney-
          By fruits, see (Matthew 7:16). Look at someone's behavior, such as if they are Christlike or not.
          We are all sinners. You are going by hearsay and what critics have said. Do you think the same gospel that is preached by mainstream Christianity is the same one that was around when Christ was on the earth?
          Personally, I do not tell others who is Christian and who is not. It is not my place. If someone believes that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior, I do not question that.
          If you want to sincerely understand polygamy, you should go to https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/topic/polygamy or fairmormon.org. Otherwise, ignorance is bliss. All are free to have an opinion and you can't force anyone to believe anything.
          You learn line upon line, precept on precept. Milk before meat. If you are happy with what you have and it works for you, that is just fine. Truth is truth, no matter where it comes from. Good people speak truth.
          Jesus taught the apostles to follow him. Not just to believe in Him only.
          We also believe in the King James version. If God is not the author of confusion, then why are there so many Christian churches? Shouldn't there be one true church? If you would stop criticizing, you would find out the good. We believe in eternal families. Families can be together forever. We believe in baptism by immersion. We believe in apostles and prophets. We believe in modern revelation. God still speaks and is there to help. The Bible is the word of God. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul "We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
          Which is more Christian? Trying to keep the commandments and to do what is right? Or to say that we are Christian, then attack others for their beliefs. If I know that Jesus Christ is my savior, that I am a sinner, and that I know that Jesus Christ is the way, why does it matter if I want to be a good person and follow Christ how I believe I should?
          Don't listen to others who bash our faith. I encourage you to attend our church, read the Book of Mormon for yourself and decide if its teachings are harmonious with the Bible, and meet with our missionaries. Details at churchofjesuschrist.org

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             Rodric29posted 5 years agoin reply to this

             I never come to such places as the forums because I learned years ago the hard way that here people do not seek to do ny thing but have the spirit of contention, which is the spirit of the devil. There is no learning, just braying until the righteous party gets tired of so doing.
             
             Your comment, Mark, has caused me to finally post here again after several years. I never thought of the example you used.
             "Which is more Christian? Trying to keep the commandments and to do what is right? Or to say that we are Christian, then attack others for their beliefs."
             
             Jesus set the example we should follow, and he did not attack others for their beliefs. He clarified His attackers when the tried to color Him bad. Maybe I should come back to the forums and clarify when people attack The Church of Jesus Christ?

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                Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Thank you for your response. I agree. I do not want to contend. Just clarify my beliefs with those who may not understand things.

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