What do you know about Mormons?
We do eat meat, just not to excess. You are right - no spirits! Alcohol is a no no.
Yes, there is alcoholic egg nogg. I only endulge in the dairy egg nogg which is not alcoholic. In fact, I love homemade egg nogg. It rocks! If this beverage had the history of being alcoholic and was commonly know to be such I would not touch it. According to scripture we are to avoid even the very appearance of evil. Since it does not I shall treat my taste buds to the soothing holiday sweet drink.
We eat meat.
I take it you missed the last 2000 years of you people fighting amongst yourselves as to which invisible super being is the right one huh? You might want to try reading a few books other than your bastardized bible sweetie pie. You could might learn something.
What if the MUSLIMS are right?
Just educating the ignorant. I realize you think I am pathetic because I am trying to get people to drop this ridiculous belief - that ALWAYS ends in conflict.
I know - liberal pacifists are scum as far as you are concerned - and are causing the horrible ruin to society compared to when there was segregation but - you know what?
Not caring.
You have attacked me often enough in the LOL guise of protecting the weak LOL that I am more determined than ever to destroy this nonsense. Thanks.
You can speak against liberals and homosexuals though huh?
So - their beliefs are not true then?
They are lying or something?
And yours are correct?
Who have LOTS of company, as we clearly see!
Probably to make fun of your ridiculous beliefs and passive aggressive attacks on those of us with some common sense. But good luck in your upcoming god-hood. Love the passive aggressive attacks by the way - I am passing your details on to my Mum. I thought she was a expert until I met you guys.
Sorry about the "unprovoked attacks" you must be suffering all the time.
Tell us about the special underwear. I bet Ron is keen to know about that. Wow! Did you really mean to dig that big a hole then fall in it?
You just said more about who you are than you meant to I think!
That is absolutely brilliant!! Thanks for sharing
Im not one
They have great potluck dinners!
They have some of the most unique sets of ties.
They make great jello, corn bread and apple pie at our potlucks.
No hunger there!
- StormRyderposted 14 years ago
0They always come knocking on my door when I'm naked...or about to get that way....They must be psychic??
Oh, come on it Texan...it's cold outside
A Texan wrote:
That's me knocking! OPEN THE DOOR!
Stormryder replied:
Oh, come on it Texan...it's cold outside.
That was an interesting response.Really? I figured some man already had!
One thing, and it's a common misconception so don't feel bad, but we no longer believe in polygamy. So that would be "a wife", singular.
The rest of your comment was simply ridiculous. Many people joke around that "women are of the devil" but it's just a joke. I don't even know if it's stircly a joke made by Mormons or not.
Apparently, underwear plays a prominent role in their faith.- Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago0
I don't hate you or anyone else. Diversity in perception is a good thing.
- poetlorraineposted 14 years ago0
We do like nuts - walnuts, pecans, blanched, honey roasted. So from that perspective - you're right!
The same as everyone else.
Actually, we do not have especial holidays as many other faiths. We do have Pioneer Commemoration Day in July. This is a recognition of the Mormon Pioneer' entering the Great Salt Lake Valley after they were forced out of Illinois in the early 1800's.
Nothing special by way of foods. We do, however, have a code of health called the Word of Wisdom. To make a long story short we refrain from coffees, certain teas, tobacco and for some even caffeinated drinks. This is all to maintain health and cleanliness that we may be receptive to the spirit at all times upon our worthiness.
Thanks for the question!That's great! Personal health is very important. It makes you feel better and think clearer. For us, we believe that our physical bodies are literal temples to be kept sacred and clean. In so doing we, each, may be more receptive to the promptings and warnings of the holy spirit. That which is holy does not dwell in unholy temples. Following the Word of Wisdom also builds character as it teaches mastery of the self and resistance to the temptations to partake of those substances.
I am part of a local association of ministers. At each monthly meeting they are continually amazed that I will not take the coffee they offer there. The funny thing is that the meeting is at our building next month. Let's see how they like not having coffee that morning.
- Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago0
In what context are you referring to? We speak of lots of principles. There is no overwhelming doctrine, book or practice called "The Principle". Please let me know in what context you heard it referred to and I will explain.
Thanks, bud. By the way, that was a neat post on the other thread. Sort of like horse racing.
- theawwwbutmumposted 14 years ago0
Could not have said it better!
Great question! We are a proselyting church. There are scriptural passages relating to finding and teaching. It is a duty and responsibility to give all mankind the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel. As you know, on these forums I am always preaching the doctrine of the agency to choose. This is an extension of that. Most do not accept what they are taught. However, they have been given the agency to choose. This is key.
For most missionaries they just go out and try to find people. To make the most of this practice they often do map out where they've gone for that day and do this on a rotation basis.
It's all about choice. We believe we have been given the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. We have the responsibility to extend that choice to all others.
Thanks for your sincere question.Then, why are you held aghast when others criticize you? You're preaching. And, whether you accept it or not, there may just be things you're preaching that offend others. That's not a slight against you personally, but instead refers to the doctrine.
It's the same with knocking on doors. You may believe it is your duty and responsibility, but it also offends people. Selling vacuums door to door will easily demonstrate that.
So, when you ask if "this thread posted for the sake of condescending the faith of fourteen million people" or you complain about being attacked or hammered, please try to understand that you have already taken it upon yourself to offend others, openly.
In other words, try growing a thicker skin and buy yourself a spine.
The old adage applies...
"If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!"Try and be nice and you'll get nice in return.
Oh yes! Sign me up to be born malnourished, suckle on an empty breast for a few hours and die in the dirt...
I never ever disrespect another person's faith as I believe diversity is a good thing. However, I cannot attend a meeting of that denomination you've suggested. I know, first hand, that they were among several churches who freely showed their congregations slanderous films as the "God Makers" and other false teachings against our faith. I know it because I have seen it. I respect all faiths up to the point that they start taking the freedom and liberty away from their members to choose for themselves what is right and what is wrong.
I have seen this cycle many times in my life. There is a fear of the LDS faith when they see missionaries out and about and, as they did with Joseph Smith, they colaborate and design things to pull them down and inhibit them. I am not saying that your particular congregation would ever show a film like this or slander another faith, but I am saying that this particular church of the same denomination has done this and it is a reprehensible thing to do.
Freedom of expression and choice is part of the design of the universe and a part of the design of each one of us. To use scare tactics, black mail and threats to inhibit this precious freedom is a travesty of humanity.
I respect you faith, truly and sincerely, but I cannot respect the leadership of that local organization. I do thank you for the kind words and the heartfelt invitation. Actually, I often visit other faiths. In order to be understanding and tolerant we should all visit other faiths. Thanks again!
There is plenty of precedent for what we believe in the New Testament.
Where did Heavenly father or Jesus say we're not going to talk to you again until the end? This the restore church Of Jesus Christ as it was when he was on earth. The Apostacy was at or before Nycene at the about the time Consantine declared the church to be Romes church. The Revalation that the Profet Joesph Smith recieved was given to him after he prayed for an answer to the question which church is the right one.
Goldenpath is a perfect example of the members in our church, I run to keep up.
- Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago0
Translation please!
You are very correct! I hope none of my comments impressed the feel of being attacked. I have not felt that from you.
As I stated in earlier posts we rely heavily upon the Holy Spirit. We keep our bodies clean, inside and out, in order to invite the Spirit in. We question and test all directives from our leaders for we are taught that we are all individuals with separate minds and wills. Ultimately it is the Holy Ghost that bears witness if something is right or if something is wrong. Our duty and responsibility, as human beings, is to gain all the knowledge and wisdom we can so that the Spirit can adequately work with us to discern truth from err.
I thank you for your honestly and civility. It's refreshing.
Hey, buddy, it's always good to see your mug shot!
How ya doin?
- Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years ago0
He gets it right everytime!
Thank you for clarifying. I wasn't sure if the rules my friends had to live by were set by the church or their parents, but I can see, at least, WHY they were set.
So, although I don't plan on becoming a Mormon and there are a few things I disagree with, it sounds like Mormons are one of the very few religions out there who have not lost all morals and values. Wonderful! Kudos to you for sticking up for your beliefs, as well.Thank you for this wonderful exchange. This is how it is supposed to happen.
We have doctrines set forth by the Church regarding modesty and personal purity, however, it is ultimately up to the individual to accept it or reject it. The doctrines are there to instruct and protect. It's their loss if they choose another path.
Thanks again!
Hm... so for the most part, I would have to say that I agree with how Mormons raise their children. As I said before, I do not plan on being a Mormon, but if and when I ever have children, I may borrow a few of your rules to raise them with
Blessed be, goldenpath and sneakorocksolid!Thanks! Golden a little more white-collar I'm alittle more blue-collar and I whole heartedly agree with everything he's said! We know there are alot of good Christians out there and I for one wish we could all pull together with so many against us.
He wasn't talking to you sweetie pie. But - every one knows Mormons are not proper Christians. No special underpants and going to another world to be a God after they die for proper christians. No believing the earth was seeded by aliens for proper christians - no sir. Uh Uh.
Proper christians do as Jesus said - give away their earthly possessions to widows and orphans and go about doing good works.
They don't go around building churches to god and stuff - oh no. Almost never happens.Again, sir, I have nothing against an individual's orientation. That's his business, but please don't call me sweetie pie. It gives me goose bumps up the spine.
As for the other garbage in the post, I'm not going there again. You have no clue what we believe or preach.
Thanks for responding though.No special underwear then? No gold tablets found buried? No afterlife as a god? None of that stuff?
Then I wouldn't be here.
The question was in response to someone who stated that mormons believe abortion is okay in the case of rape. My question merely asked for clarification of what made the 'murder' of a rape baby different than the 'murder' of any other fetus.
- wordscribe41posted 14 years ago0
I've had quite a few good friends who are Mormon. I met them in graduate school in social work. I found hearing the stories of their missions fascinating and worthy of respect. I asked them quite a few questions about their religion, which they always answered respectfully, knowing I'm a non-believer. Never tried to preach to me. One of my best Mormon friends would frequently complain to me the elders would NOT leave her alone about still being single in her 30's. I'm not sure of the correct term, but I think many I knew were pretty "progressive".
We believe in the sanctity of family. Any man and any woman can make a relationship work as long as each are willing to put forth 100+% into it. If there is a single brother or sister it is common to try and find people that they may be interested in.
Yes, no doubt she's had lots of dates set up for her... She would NEVER go outside her religion to find a man, I respect that. It will happen in due time for her. No doubt she has lots of help (I could have used that a decade plus back
)!
- wordscribe41posted 14 years ago0
I am blessed enough to live in just such a community here in New Zealand. . I am even more blessed because I help organise the responsibilities and needs that any family or individual may need assistance with at any given time for any kind or reason. The blessing with serving is that not only are others lives made better - you end up feeling like you've been blessed too
Greetings and good tidings from your fellow brother in Iowa, United States!
And to you goldenpath - I am much enjoying this little journey we have found ourselves taking
I've heard much of New Zealand and would absolutely love to visit someday! Perhaps you have room in a garage or dog house I can camp out at.
- Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years ago0
Well said Pani!! Your definition would make any Mormon proud
I second that! Thanks!
- StormRyderposted 14 years ago0
Wait... Mormons are the same thing as Jehovah's Witnesses?
EDIT: Nope, they're not. Thank goodness for Google
I've never had a Mormon come to my door, but based on what I've learned here, I'd probably invite them inside and offer them a glass of lemonade if they did knock at my door. They sound like quite nice people.
Jehovah's Witnesses, from my personal experience, are quite pushy.Yes, I see that now that I've Googled it. Just never knew Mormons went door to door too.
Jehovah's Witnesses used to come to our door nearly every weekend though. That is, until we bought this sign at Spencer's you hung on the door knob. Had a picture of a little boy with a shot gun and the words, "My pa told me to shoot every third solicitor that came to our door. Second one just left."That would certainly get my attention!
Especially at 5'3" it takes me twice as many steps to run away as normal people.
Being someone that onced upon a time a hundred years ago - went knocking on doors - I would of said yes to that lemonade and been so very grateful for your kindness
Well, you're welcome to come to my house and have a glass of lemonade any time, even if you're not knocking on doors
What about me.
I have acid reflux so I would have to pass on the lemonade. However, I'd love a mug of hot chocolate! Heck, even a glass of milk will do. - Yes, you too, goldenpath. Actually, I think I saw in another forum thread that you and I live in the same state. Iowa, right? So who knows? Maybe you and I will run into each other and have a cup of hot chocolate together some time
Cooooooolness! I'm in Shenandoah! As you know there's a whooooooole lot of nothing in Iowa.
Hm... not sure where Shenandoah is. I live in the Dubuque area and yes, I know exactly what you mean. Good thing we're writers. We can always escape into the land of imagination
If I had a slingshot I could probably hit your house from here...I guess I could have just said "A stones throw from here"
But I can't throw that far
Why thank you Pani - I'm guessing though that the walk from my house to yours would take a while and may even require at least two glasses of lemonade on finishing!!
No more door knocking for me though - for females we can opt to go from the age of 21 and we serve for 1 1/2 years. The boys go at 19 for 2 yrs - so maybe in a few years you can hand that lemonade to my son if he chooses to follow in his Mothers footsteps
GP - its way too hot here today for hot chocolateJust have him mention he's your son and I'll throw in a few cookies too
- wordscribe41posted 14 years ago0
thank you - I too have enjoyed this wonderful chat
q...
could you have possibly sounded any more childish and arrogant?Good morning goldenpath (well it is here anyway!) - much more clearly stated than me my friend - and since I am the divorcee thats lived this experience I can totally say your clarifications are all true! It seems there is a common thread in a couple of statements where one is not able to distinguish between the religion and the individuals living that religion - and sadly at times - regardless of the religion that difference can be huge
But that is freedom of choice at work.
Q, I'm an atheist, I have my issues with organized religion. But, nowhere on this thread has Goldenpath been spreading hatred. In fact, theawwwbutmum and Goldenpath have been kindly and respectfully answering questions some of us have been posing. It's been a pleasant exchange with no preaching, no judging and with respect. This is one of the best religious threads going on now. People are answering my questions and the questions of others and maybe we're just all learning a little about one another. Maybe acceptance isn't such a bad thing. Food for thought, anyway.
Brilliantly put wordscribe41 - there are always ways to find common ground if one is looking for them. I've learnt a lot on here in the past couple of days and am grateful for openminness people are offering and for those willing to ask to clear up misinformation. I really appreciate your thoughts - thanks
Likewise. BTW, your username is just perfect. I get about 50 "AWW, but Moms" per day. The next one will come in about an hour when my 3 "aww but-ers" come home.
Its only 10.30am here I have WAAAY longer than you till my on-slaught starts all over again!!!
My girls' the 'princess' or 'madam'! Funny how their label equates to the degree of 'awwbutisms'!! Four in total - 3 BOYS. 11, 10, 6 and newly 5 - so I am alone at home as of 2 weeks ago - hence the hubpage activity
Twins too?! - wow you have your hands full! But ain't it fun Yes, indeed it's fun. Mine are home, 8,000 words per minute, all talking at the same time. But, they're so cute. My twins have some chicks eggs hatching at their school, so it's all the rage. You're busy, too, no doubt with the four. My twins get along marvelously, so they really are the "two for one" deal there. Big sister, God bless her heart, has a... how do I put this: very strong personality and isn't afraid to show it.
I agree with you about the learning part. It does take an open mind. I'll never in a million years be converted to anything, but I have been learning on this thread BY having an open mind, getting my questions answered respectfully and attempting to understand the mindset. Since I cannot experience this religion first hand (and I agree experiential learning is the best) I think asking questions is a good start.
I think you and I are miscommunicating. The joys of forums.
I already knew your stance... The part I didn't agree with was your saying: " True, most people don't like others to spot out their ignorance, but some actually do." I've never met anyone who likes to be called ignorant.
I understand. I'm not always either, trust me.
I just find this thread to be a unique exception to many of the others.
The Maori population here in NZ make up some 70-80% of the membership here
The combination of their culture and lds teaching is a wonderful thing.Dude, I so want to visit your place of dwelling. Someday!
No I haven't but will go look for her now - great tip thanks - and no hijacking has been done - I think you've been brilliant
It is an honor and a pleasure to hear from you again.
Your questions are always courteous. I will answer.
Imagery is used in the Book of Mormon as it is throughout the Bible. "Blackness" refers to a darkening of the skin. It does NOT refer to the blackness of skin like unto an African American. The religious practices discovered of the Mayans and Aztecs bear out a brutal system of sacrifice and idol worship. These nations spawned well after Jesus Christ ascended from the Americas. They are the degraded remnants of a once great and upright people. It is a common pattern of society. After a period of righteous living the people become prideful and seek not the favor of God but rather wisdom in idols and bloodshed. After the great conflict the remnants of the people became degraded and, yes, were cursed by their own will and choosing with a darker toned skin. They also identified themselves with shaved heads, tattoos and piercings. This is part of the reason why the sacred records were commanded to be his in the Earth.
I can see how this can be seen as racist, but it's not. These people were judged because THEY HAD THE KNOWLEDGE and were therefore judged accordingly because of their wickedness. Had they not had such knowledge this open cursing would have taken a different form.Oh too funny. Politically correct racism. JC ascended from the Americas huh?That does not gel with all the other kristian beliefs, but I will let a believer do that one.
Just remember - be T O L E R A N T of other people's opinions. No matter how funny we find your beliefs - you must be
T O L E R A N T.
It is all about tolerance her you know.Yes - we find it FUNNY. LOLOLOL I know what your DOCTRINE says. And yeah - funny about sums it up.
Yet - still you DEMAND RESPECT. Odd - my god tells me into my head that Mormons are the lowest form of life on the planet I come from.
They are sent to earth to spread lies against the messiah who died once and immediately ascended to be with the other 7 gods and his 40000 homosexual wives.
Not that we condone homosexuality - but we do like a bit in the side. I heartily recommend you stop spreading the lies that my god tells me you are spreading and show some respect boy.
Dear me. Now you must show respect for anything I say huh?You could piss-off Jesus mark! What is wrong with you? Why don't you take all your atheist garbage and save for your support group! Mark you need help son.
I suggest if he wants to act like my five year old we ground him and send him to his room
awww I don't know - we could drink the hot chocolate and read a Book Of Mormon story LOL
None whatsoever.
It does however, demonstrate a complete ignorance of biology and genetics, not to mention the development of melanin and numerous other biological processes - assuming you believe this stuff. Do you?
Hi, wordscribe41, it's great to see you again!
Hope the weather is warm where you are. It's cold here. Didn't even hit 20.
I will let Tim answer his own question, but from me the Church is all about personal progression. No one need be subject to banishment from the Church altogether. With proper correction anyone can enjoy the sealing blessings of the Temple.Wow, that's interesting. Never knew about the Temple Recommend. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Timothy - thanks for sharing your testimony of how the living the gospel works for you. One of my long time fav quotes says - "The best smell I ever smelt was the man sitting next to me in sacrament smelling of tobacco" - POINT? - there was no judgement here, just an honest observation that at least he was making an effort to correct a weakness or imperfection. We all have them and thats why we try to make good choices and be in good places. Thanks for uplifting me today
They have golden plates!
They dont?
nope, some guy buried them and forgot to make a treasure map first...go figure...
Ohhhhhhhh........ Not very smart. I guess I won't convert then.
What a beautiful testimony of Christ you have John
I hope as a mormon that I don't threaten you or anyone elses faith! I really do believe whatever it is that makes you a better you can never be a bad thing. We are all God's children regardless of religion, belief base, saint or sinner - I'm just grateful to meet another good soul I agree, that's the miracle of these last days. We have found common ground.
Blessings to you and your posterity.
Live in Joy, In love,
Even among those who don't.
Live in joy, In health,
Even among the afflicted.
Live in joy, In peace,
Even among the troubled.
Look within. Be still.
Free from fear and attachment,
Know the sweet joy of living in the way.Saltlake city was very clean when I was there, they don't like Australian tourists, the choir rocks, they believe a lot of religious bible babble and have added a "Mr. Smith" to the list of people who flog this stuff.
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