Have you ever seen a shadow person? Do you believe in ghosts and shadow people? Tell us your experiences please.
Yes, my wife and I both have. We have also both had other interesting paranormal experiences both together and apart. We both believe. There ar too many variables when it comes to the natural world and the science of the nature of energies not to believe.
yes, really, some one please explain what a shadow person is...thank you!
Those who believe in such things usually have no understanding of why those things can't exist. They just believe they do exist because they want to believe they exist.
I've had many paranormal experiences.
The ONLY BAD ONE I've had was with the only Shadow person I've ever seen.
These are not tricks of the mind. I not only see, but also interact with these entities.
There are even Ghosts in scripture
Even in the scriptures. Well! Close the thread, it has all been explained.
I didn't say it to explain anything. I was adding the information
You don't have to be so vile.
Ghosts do not exist. Even in the scriptures Ghosts are make believe. Doesn't matter how old the fairy tale.
Oh and P.S. I never assume you have provided any explanation. Thank you for clearing that up though.
Existence. Non existence. Two distinctly different realms.
Btw, you look maaaaaarrrrvvvalous!
Duality would be a single entity that exhibits two different characteristics.
For example, photons have a duality of being a wave and a particle, depending on what reference frame is applied. If a photon is traveling, it is observed as a wave while on the other hand when the photon comes to rest and is absorbed, it is observed as a particle.
Yes. I was living in Wyoming at the time and very young. I wanted to sneak upstairs to get some candy late at night.
I saw them to my right before I went up the stairs. He was 'swimming' in the air and I told him he was scaring me and I wanted him to leave. He just sat there swaying in the middle of the living room. I froze, I was too scared to go up stairs or go back to my room. I backed up until I was on my couch and I put my head in between the cushions the rest of the night.
I was probably 6-7 at the time and remember it vividly.
My wife always knew the man in the 'tophat' lived in her closet. Both her and her siblings grew up knowing the 'tophat' man and he had red eyes.
I`ve seen shadow people and I suspect they are either good or evil spirits.
I believe things happen in the supernatural...that can explain alot of things.
Mostly definitely am a firm believer in shadow people. ( spirits or ghosts whatever ye want to call them) I posted a comment in Mike's hub about Ghosts. Have a read, very interesting hub
http://hubpages.com/_20lhrh6jsiv79/hub/ … en-A-Ghost
flotillas in the eyes. Everybody gets em when they are older in life.
I personally have never seen a Shadow Person, at least not in memory. But I do believe that they exist. There are far too many strange occurrences that happen in our world for us to easily discount their existence. I would caution anyone who spots them, however, as most sources point them as being, if not malicious, then malignant. Also, I've heard that they are very common in graveyards.
I have seen shadow people. I am now a Reformed drug addict and remarkably, the shadow people have disappeared.
It's safer to make a joke about it.
...It makes it that much more unreal and becomes something to laugh off, instead of take seriously. Which could be a good thing. "What you don't know can't hurt you" as the old saying goes.
Fear is never a good thing. Either is panic!
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I did the cross eye thing. Still, no ninjas! Must be well trained
It is willful ignorance to conclude that any sensation you cannot explain is a shadow person, ghost, demon, etc.
Is science to be totally disregarded?
I have had many "paranormal" experiences, but the first thing I do is to try to find a scientific explanation.
And usually I have to conclude that there was some type of chemical imbalance in my body at the time--such as in Incubus nightmares. A chemical imbalance is the only thing that makes sense.
One time I accidentally made someone think I was a ghost. It was at a historic site, and I was in period clothing, and it was early in the morning. I came around the corner of the building, and there she was. I said, "Good morning," and she screamed blue murder and jumped about three feet back.
Then she realized that I was a reenactor.
I had to explain the blood curdling scream to the other reenactors when I got back to the guardhouse.
In 1850, the German physiologist Johannes Muller stated that science would never discover the speed of the nervous impulse; two years later Hermann von Helmholtz did.
When Ernest Rutherford, the physicist who split the atom, was an undergraduate, his tutor told him not to bother taking up physics because scientists had a complete picture of the nature of matter and only the final details remained to be settled!
It is interesting to speculate on the consequences for science if Rutherford had accepted that advice.
Examples of imperfections and about-turns in science could be multiplied over and over again.
Quantum theory (in particular the uncertainty principle) seems to confirm that human knowledge must always be imperfect.
This means that not only is our present scientific knowledge incomplete, but also that we are incapable of ever fully understanding the universe.
Quantum field theory does not in any way confirm, deny or even suggest that human knowledge must always be imperfect, nor does it lead us to conclude we are incapable of understanding the universe. It describes matter and energy on atomic and subatomic scales and their relationships to one another.
So you reject Heisenberg's formulation,(one of the most eminent laws of quantum theory,) the Uncertainty Principle, which is occasionally also referred to as the principle of indeterminacy?
The notion that science is a dynamic and powerful tool for investigating the Universe is not wrong, but like all human enterprises science is capable of many mistakes and biases which may persist for lengthy periods of time.
In particular, science does not deal well with genuine anomalies that challenge established views.
I never said that, did I?
Seems you're now changing your story. And, it still doesn't add up.
Sorry I wasn't debating quantum theory as I don't understand it myself, only saying that there are scientist who don't always agree on what is and what isn't.
Just like in any other scientific discipline, those involved in paranormal research try to keep an open mind to all sorts of possibilities, or even none at all.
A slight bias towards skepticism or belief would prove to be a hindrance in their investigation.
That's why we have the Peer Review process.
The study of the paranormal is not science. If it was, you'd quickly see the study disappear altogether.
There IS only belief in their investigations, nothing more.
You're right of course, It's hardly ever taken seriously, very rarely receives the attention it deserves in order to carry out a thorough search for answers.
I think the point is that it does not deserve any attention at all. Paranormal "researchers" are not really researchers. If they were, they would have researched the fact that ghosts and goblins can't exist, no matter how much they want them to exist.
[This has been said before. "The definition of the paranormal, though, is "those phenomena which are not understandable in terms of known scientific laws," or "those phenomena which can not be explained by science, seemingly outside the normal sensory channels."
"While these are valid enough, a better definition would be "those phenomena which have not yet been explained by science." This meaning also conveys that eventually, a true, logical explanation for any particular phenomena will be presented, thus removing it from the realm of the paranormal."
Do you believe this to be an impossibility?
Nonsense, this is a definition that does not make sense. If those things were in fact "outside the normal sensory channels" how is that people think they are there? Once an effect has been observed, which is the claim paranormal researchers are making, then it no longer is paranormal, it does in fact fall into that which science can measure.
The definition itself contradicts those who believe in ghosts.
Well said. But, we wouldn't need to use the term 'paranormal' because the phenomenon observed is within our normal universe if we can indeed observe it. All we can say is that it is a phenomenon that does not have an explanation at this time.
Investigating the paranormal is, contrary to popular thought, rather quite boring according to researchers who study it.
True investigations involve hours of research work, collection of data, statistics and poring over them meticulously in order to reach a plausible conclusion or even an explanation regarding the matter.
Additionally, due to the spontaneous nature of a lot of the paranormal phenomena, experimentation and investigation of an occurring event is extremely difficult.
Should it just be dismissed? Consider that Science is growing, not a static, method of acquiring knowledge and understanding. It often makes mistakes.
Practice often doesn't fit theory. With regards to the field that we refer to as the paranormal, it would do us well to remember that science is not an infallible, wholly objective march towards ultimate understanding.
This unfortunate mindset is often presented as 'skepticism'.
It is anything but.
Skepticism is the attitude of the researcher who, faced with an anomaly (such as ESP appears to be), says: "Well, what's going on here? Let's take a look at it!"
It is not the attitude of the armchair critic who simply 'knows' it's all nonsense and can't be bothered to address the evidence offered to him.
In other words its okay to be skeptical, but dismissing something outright even though thousands of people have reported experiences is not scientific.
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Yeah - real convincing copying your LOLOLO "argument" LOLOLOL
So - copying them and pretending that you said it is OK with Jesus? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I never claimed originality...I found the argument compeling and decided too see how a skeptic would answer if they thought it was coming from a layman instead of an expert in the field...sorry if you assumed it.
My quote: "Sorry I wasn't debating quantum theory as I don't understand it myself, only saying that there are scientist who don't always agree on what is and what isn't."
What's Jesus got to do with this subject?
I'm sorry...do you accept my apology Mr. Knowles? Please don't tell the teacher on me...please.
Probably not OK with Jesus, I believe if you will forgive me for not being forthright with my source then perhaps he will also.
I assure you I had no malicious intent. I'm afraid you'll have to find someone else to take your anger at Jesus out on.
But I will plant a tree for you...k
The concepts of the paranormal (let's use your example of ESP) have been presented to scientists who will look at it and say: "Well, that violates a number of physical laws, it has no evidence whatsoever to support it other than the claims of believers. It is dismissed until believers can explain the violation of physics as well as producing some evidence. Until then, why should anyone look at it?"
No, what is not scientific is chasing around claims of experiences with not a shred of evidence to support them.
Scientists are far to busy observing reality, which does not appear to be just based on empty claims and spurious experiences.
I'm sorry Mr Beelzedad I was quoting a paranormal researchers paper, hope you're not mad.
Back to our discussion:
But isn't it exciting to think that although there are many things explained by science, the unexplained does add a bit of spice...an example whould be the foo fighters my grandfather told me about.
Consider...the inability to recreate an experience in a controlled setting such as a labaratory is not proof of its nonexistence.
Simply put, just because I cannot prove to you that something happened, doesn’t mean it did not.
The thing about the consciousness is that plays tricks on the senses. If you see something that's not there, it is actually your consciousness representing something it has sensed to be present that is like a person. But it is not a person. It is just like it. Your mind sensed a presence, an intelligent presence that it cannot really see.
Was it present in the mind alone or out there in that space you saw it.
More that the Uncertainty Principle. The Study of Ghosts and Demons and such things should begin by studying human consciousness.
we construct reality with what we know.
As much as I respect the process of science, I have an equal, if not greater, respect for the paranormal. There are many inexplicable things in the universe, many things that at our current level, we have no hope of understanding, breaking down, studying. It is never wise to dismiss something out of hand because you don't understand it.
And to those people who claim that the metaphysical is not real because it cannot be proven, I offer this comment: Lack of evidence does not prove non-existence.
On a more personal note, if you don't believe in these things, why are you reading posts in the Paranormal Beliefs forum?
Yours in Spirit,
On the contrary, scientists are working on far more interesting and complex observations of reality that stagger anything believers in the paranormal have ever presented.
Okay, so what's to understand?
But, you actually don't offer any evidence to the metaphysical.
I would assume that there are all sorts of things within our realm of belief and around it. From thoughtforms to entities, ghosts and psychic imprints.
I think Ive sensed shadow people once or twice, it was quite bizarre and somewhat as if it was out of the matrix type experience.
Superstition is when you turn your car around because a black cat runs in front of it. Spirits aren't superstition.
a. A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance.
Since spirits violate the laws of nature they are a form of superstition.
I'm drug free, mentally sane, and not a holy roller but i've seen shadow people and other ghostly haunts in my home and in every day place. It's hard to deny something when it's staring you in the face or touching you when you least expect it. Those of you who haven't experienced ghostly encounters are probably so closed minded you'd even deny the existence of farts.
Well you can't see one (usually)
And ya cain't hold it in your hand and
Sometimes ya caint't smell it, So unless some body had their ear close enough to hear iT It didn't exist did it?
I have seen ghosts and shadow people all my life. There are some people who can see things that no one else can see. I don't know why but its just that way.
I have saw a ghost in the last 24 hours. And I saw shadow people this morning. And I am not on drugs and I'm reasonably sane.
also probably denying the existence of the arts!
how about auditory hallucinations vs. hearing spirits. I'm all for spirits both audable and visible - they just know better than to make themself available to idiots and people who might freak!
I too have seen what people call ghosts, all my life. For years I never talked about because people think you are mad/weird/doing drugs or a religious maniac. Some people just seem to be able to perceive a different reality. I set you scoffers and pooh- poohers a challenge - prove I don't see ghosts!
Naughty naughty, that's not in the 'spirit' of the challenge. Maybe some people aren't capable of seeing shadow people etc (they are known as 'blunts') but that doesn't mean that others are making them up. How do you know they don't exist? Heck you could be right and the world could be flat and the centre of the universe.
yeah, you are right. I can't prove that something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. Funny that.
What if you said that a 7 mile wide purple alligator was going to kill me dead on the 14th of December 2019? Would I believe you, no. Could I prove you wrong, no.
Absolutely. I'm tempted to say your tempting fate but I don't think even she could find a 7 mile wide alligator. I'm just messing with you. Actually, I've never felt the need to prove that I see weird stuff, it runs in the family. My mum saw them, I see them, my daughter sees them, even her little girl whose only 2 sees them. I know what your thinking, insanity runs in families too. Well so does musical talent. Scientists have suggested that the human brain is hot-wired for religion. Maybe some brains are hot-wired for other stuff?
Its all good Kath. I'm just here to have fun. I will take a side just for the hell of it. I have seen a lot in my time. I have been locked away in psychiatric units and I have a tattoo on my arm that translates to the Second Coming. I am not a non-believer. No harm intended.
This really has nothing to do with you being special and everything to do with the fact that ghosts simply can't exist. You may be special but that doesn't mean you can fly, either.
They don't exist because if they did, they would be violating several laws of the universe. You might as well just claim that you can defy gravity. It would be the same thing.
If only by seeing and feeling a ghost, possibly hearing him also, will you believe they exist, I will send one to you. Sometime in the next few days you will get your proof. I think there will be only one, although there are several ghost groups who may be interested in proving it to you, so be prepared.
Funny how you can do that considering ghosts don't exist. A "ghost group" is free to do anything they want, but they will never conjure a ghost, except maybe from their imaginations.
That's simple, ghosts can't exist, so there's no way for you to see them.
I honestly haven't seen one but my brother-in-law claims that he's been seeing them since he was little until now. Weird but I believe him ever since one of my brothers died. There were some circumstances that proved he has seen my bro, I wouldn't go into details since it brings back sad memories. But yes, I do believe in ghosts or shadow people as you call it.
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