Shouldn't I get paid for bringing all these new people to hubpages? But it has to be more to it than annoying me...I would suggest people stop talking about it and actually do it or move on. Talk is cheap. I can say with AUTHORITY that men should have sex with men if that's what they were born to do. Try it! You'll like it! Or you wont, then you can talk about it with some actual substance.
It doesn't take actually TRYING something to know it's wrong.
Why don't you TRY IT (listening to your conscience)?
And indeed Flightkeeper keeps being proven right. Liberals are like clockwork. A person could almost set their watches by the parade comin' into this thread.
I suppose this forum would suit you better. No liberals correcting your Hogwash or nuthin'
My concience is what keeps me here. And my concience and God givin commen sense is something some people here can't compete with. That's why they need to resort to distraction of any kind they can grab onto, rather than face a question or comment head on. People are scared and confused and need something to believe in. They are desparate to hold on to any belief they can. It doesn't have to make sense, it doesn't matter if it's full of holes; just kill the people that oppose your belief and you'll be safe in your hate and ignorance!
It's right according to whom? If you are saying it right according to my feeling then I can not accept that, because my feeling have been wrong every time. I choose to go out side of myself to receive understanding, peace and Joy. If a Person says his feelings have him or her where they are then they are in trouble, please help them.
Maybe he believes in god, and wants to know whether he can still get into heaven if he bums the hunk next door?
God said come let us reason together , can we reason, I have lost to many brothers and sister to poor choices.
Which god are you speaking of? Humanity has written many god stories, so your question can't really be addressed until we know which of these hundreds of possible gods you are talking about? (And please don't say something ridiculous like "the one true god" or any such nonsense, because literally everyone says that about their favorite set of myths.)
Our Creator, the one that created Heavens and the earth. The God of the Bible. I know we Christian have sat a bad example for you to follow and I apologies to you all, but, some of us really love you no matter what you do. Help us help you How ask question, read the Bible with love, peace and joy in your heart, and you will fine the truth. Now, what if you already have the truth and my way is wrong, then all i will be missing is a relationship with a man sexually. But, it you are wrong, you will die eternally. choose this day whom you will serve.
Why do you waste time putting this filth in the forum?You already know the answer.Stop looking for someone to make your desires o.k.
Yea haj!!! Haven't you seen the video by Madonna: JUSTIFY MY LOVE?
Here's my song "justify your own flippin' love, I've got my own S*** to deal with!"
So Madonna is your spokesperson now,,,Pathetic.
Hi over, I'm over too. Yeah, Madonna, poof! John Lennon, now there's a spokesperson1 "Imagine all the peoppppllagggh
How about P.T. Barnum.Remember his famous words.
AINT THAT THE TRUTH!!!! There's a sucker born every minute and a wanna be sucker every thirty seconds. If anyone is interested, my comment was a lite joke addressed to haj3396. It was related to a comment about him needing justification to sleep with a man.
What's pathetic is this topic being bought up by Christian people that seem to need a good holy rolling more than the Holy Ghost.
I'm not sure I understand the question.
The answer is that He Loves everyone.
But the answer is NO He does not condone perversion.
But hey maybe the libs will swoop in here and insult you and in general make this thread a mockery of everything moral like they usually do.
Come on Brenda, you have to get a kick out of the libs swooping down and hijacking a thread. They get so pretentiously outraged it's funny. Heck some of them will make a hub out of it and tell you not to read it as it will just overwhelm you with its brilliance.
Hey Brenda - are these motes in your eye? Just asking because they look more like crossed beams, but then, I'm none too sure what a mote looks like.
How is a male pleasuring another male any more 'perverted' than a female pleasuring a man or a man pleasuring a female?
There isn't too much natural about sitting here on a computer, or driving to work. My favourite definition of the word 'perversion' is "a concept describing those types of human behavior that are a serious deviation from what is considered to be orthodox or normal".
My whole life is perverted, I like perverted people. Sleeping in a cave with no clothes and eating raw meat from animals that you have just killed with a rock is about as non-perverted that you could get. Jesus wore sandels, he was perverted.
Out of interest, is masturbation perverted? I bet jesus loved that too, a quick rub to help him sleep....
You said it yourself, you like perversion. Your concept of perversion is incorrect, but hey you will live however you choose, so okey dokey.
You asked about masturbation.
What I'll say right now is that that's a private matter that people can decide for themselves. So other than that I'm not commenting on it unless the perverted liberals start trying to say it's a civil right like they say homosexuality is a civil right and start holdin' up signs saying legalize masturbation; (in other words, if you masturbate, keep it in your own closet or private place and don't shove it in mine, 'cause I don't even wanna know.)
No, I said I like 'perversion' by way of its much broader meaning. Only shallow minded extremists will utilise such a broad and generic term and relate it only to sexual activity.
Although, by your own extreme and hateful definition, yes I do enjoy perversion. If perversion incorporates masturbation, pre-marital sexual activity, and the use of visual aids to stimulate myself. As an athiest, I tend to group all of these things into my very own generic and broad term. 'Erotica'.
The hate-mongering and fear driven propoganda from religions circles which, unsuccessfully, denounces almost all sexual activity is laughable. I would stand more chance of being sexually abused by 'perverted' people in religious circles than I would anywhere else other than prison.
If the church really does want to impose its dated ideals, then it would be better off radically changing its tactics. One look at the 'Alexa Top 500 Global Sites' list only serves to emphasise that. Everybody is sitting around watching porn and playing with themselves.
Ryankett, I Do not know who did something to you and I am sorry who ever it was. You have to understand what perversion is, perversion is lying,drinking wine, stealing, cheating, beating you wife, worshiping God on Sunday, You see brother no one can tell you what you are but them that you let tell you, therefore, you accept the stripes that the christian world beat you with, do not point at us that would help you because you want stand up and learn the truth.
I was taught that God loves ALL men, just as I love my grandson even as I punish him for cutting up our favorite decorative pillow. Sinner or not, God loves you, or so I was brought up to believe.
I was going to say the same thing, but its been a long time since I qouted scriptuere and I know how if you dont "prove it" no one will listen...so..stupid me..I tried to google something and this is what I found
anyway, Im sure I read something about Jesus saying he came for the sinner and that Mary prostitute who washed his feet with alabaster...
believe what you want, somewhere something is true. Scream about libs and lefts and rights and all bejeebus.....
I refuse to hate someone because they chooose something different from my choice. If GOD wants to smite for that, so be it. I prefer to live my life, at peace with myself, knowing I never willingly did harm to another person.
Now I understand the mind of a mass murderer! I see how someone can get so twisted up in their own mind and with their own murderous intentions; they look for justification anywhere they can find it. At least one potential mass murderer found refuge in the Christian Fundamentalist Church. Thank you for pointing out this deranged individual to us DoorMattnomore.
My Question is not weather God love every body, this true, why do God love every body, because God is Love. My question is Do God love man that have sex with other men ? and My answer would be Yes!!!!!!!!!!! He Love the Person but, he hate the act. God love killers, lyres, rapist, ect. The person but not the Act.
He told you(all mankind) in the Bible, that he loves a man that has sex with another man if he doesn't have sex with another man? Please...I'm like Judge Judy. If it doesn't make sense; it's not true!
haj, are you likening homosexuals to murderers and rapists?
Daddy...you should punish a man that has sex with another man IF he comes to your house and cuts up your pillars. Otherwise, mind your business and leave Gods' business to Him or Her, or Him and Him, or Her and Her...
God love you but his hate you act. God do not want to destroy any one when he come back he come back to destroy sin, now if you have sin in you life then you will be destroyed along with it.
but surely he loves all men and women and there is no sin in homosexuality so knowing many will disagree it's really irrelevant to do so as it's just my belief. And also I am spiritual not religious, however I still have my opinion
Have a nice Evening
God loves everyone but I think he intended men and woman to be together. But he is very accepting!!
I'll speak for my God at least. Because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that she does not stop loving us because of stupid things like what gender we have sex with or whether or not we wear a ridiculous veil thingee over our heads. My God isn't dumb.
Are you asking about the God of the Bible? The only source that literally 'speaks for God' is His Word, of course. Romans 1 is a passage that specifically addresses this question. Consider verses 25-27 "For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." Check out Lev 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." God loves everyone, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us (Rom 5:8). I would say that if we love God, we would not condone committing acts of 'abomination', taking advantage of His grace. Look at Jude 1:4: "ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness [sexual freedom]". God's Word speaks for God.
"The" bible (can you identify the one out of the many versions that is the "The"?) Is not the word of any god. The readily available ones are one group's interpretation of a previous interpretation of (on and on and on) of some original stories made up by barely civilized men, and sometimes plagurized from other sources. One of the most widely used versions was interpreted under the direction of an openly bisexual King of Britain.
It's not exactly a legitimate source for developing moral structure.
Well, it appears you are stating that anything written by a bi-sexual lacks credibility. Now, are you FOR homosexuality, bi-sexuality or not? You just spoke as your own 'god', wouldn't you say?
Not even close to what I said.
Your point was that "The" bible (still have no idea which one is "The") condemns such actions. My point was that the editor of such a book who openly engaged in such practices....
Hell, you'll eventually get the point.
Care to name names? Care to say what version? There are 'other bibles' out there that are part of 'reformed' (cult) doctrines...The Holy Bible states that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Timothy 3:16) ~ so I suppose you are calling God a bi-sexual? And be rational here; if a bi-sexual wrote the Bible, why condemn homo- or bi-sexuality?
Great job on the fighting and ill will caused. Very well done. This is why god forbids women from preaching.
No moral code - that is your problem. Sad.
My question was directed to Ron. Do you have the answers? Look up the word 'women' in the Bible and then look up the word for 'female'. 'Women' refers to wives, and those passages are in relation to the husband and wife relationship within the church congregation. Look up the word 'husband' and note that the scripture that says a 'woman' [wife] is not to usurp authority over the 'man' ~ 'man' is the exact same word as used for 'husband'. You are ill-educated on Bible interpretation. Everyone knows that. If you care to get educated, read my hub, "Your Daughters Shall Prophesy".
God is sexless, unless you are referring to We, as gods who, unfortunately are not sexless. Just can't look up to a God who would get caught with his divine pants down. God is of the spirit, so can't be caught with his pants down. Man didn't create God, so cannot humanize him. To say God is gay, or lesbo or whatever is total misconception of the Spirit.
That was my question to you! Which g**damned version of the f***ing bible are you quoting?
Which one is "The"
You should know! You're the 'Bible expert', right? If what I've quoted is one of the 'corrupt versions', tell me who authored it. Is that too much to ask of an expert? Tell you what; tell me what version you consider to be inspired by God. Is there even one? I will quote that one for you.
Yes, the biblical god speaks for himself. Apparently he is a narrow minded vicious homophobe!
Here is some more of "god's love" from the "good book"
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
With a god like that, he did not even need to make satan!
this post needs a pic...can't help myself...hi ernest! stop making me laugh!!!
It's all about choice and accountability. Live your life in an upstanding and honorable way and let Him judge as He sees fit when the time comes. It is fruitless for man to judge another. We are to support and love all people. We don't have to like or advocate what they do, but we are to love and respect each and every human being. Take the safe road and let Him be the judge.
All of life is about personal choice and accountability. Follow the heart and let the chips fall where they may because, eventually, all true knowledge will be upon us and it is our receiving of that knowledge coupled with our thoughts and deeds in life that we are judged.
If you say you love a person an let them live a lie, then let me tell you you hate them. There is brotherly love, love a man have for his wife and God's love. Everyone want to have brotherly Love, but, what about the other love. In John 14-15 God says, If you love me keep my commandments. Do you Love God then stop trying to be everyone friend and tell them the truth
really? because if you go around trying to change people to what you think they should be, than you dont really love them. Love is about acceptance, respect, and support.
So if you see you friend or brother doing something wrong you will not say anything because you feel the you do not acceptance, respect, and support their decision. How heartless do that sound. How many people have died because a so call friend did not say a word, because that thought like you. Please change your mine and help your friends. God love you why done you love your friend.
Under what right do you have to tell people that they are wrong for doing what they do?
You've no right to interfere in someone's life. Sure, you can offer advice, but when that advice is discarded, then your responsibility ends.
Sorry to say, but your individual actions have shown that the pathetic religious faith garnered by folks with similar or like thinking, such as yourself are completely self-absorbed and selfish to the bone.
Claiming to speak for a god that does not exist isn't justified. You cannot prove beyond a shadow of doubt that a god actually exists. I can however prove that a belief in a god is actually not required to understand life. I can do that, because I have no questions about my life. And, I do not require a god to know what's in my best interest.
This is why your religion causes so many conflicts. You are so brain washed as to think you are appointed by some nonsensical, anonymous Skydaddy, to inform people that they are living their lives wrong.
If you would read the Bible with love, you would be doing the same as me. These people need us,if one is helped then that good for me. would you help please>
Yes, they are particularly annoying when they spell things correctly and follow established rules of grammar.
Dey ain't smart lak us kahnsurvatuvs.
Well, gee. Rush IS right most of the time!
And I'm so glad his kidneys haven't failed yet, like that nasty comedian wished toward him.
The issue has to do with what/who we view as authority. Scripture is not ambiguous on the topic. Romans 1 makes it clear that sexual conduct outside of marriage constitutes sexual immorality, regardless of whether it is between two men, two women, or a man and woman who are unmarried. The decision we have to make is whether we accept the scripture as the basis of our beliefs. Because what other people believe, what our parents believe, what our minister believes, isn't credible when it violates or contradicts scripture. Sexual sin is sexual sin, whether we choose to call it that or not. Not because of what I think but because the scripture is clear in Gen that marriage is an exclusive vow between a man and a woman. Any sexual conduct outside of that protocol is immorality. It's not any better or worse than lying, cheating, stealing, or other sin. But ignoring certain scriptures because we don't like what it says surely does corrode one's intellectual integrity. Either reject the scriptures and do/believe whatever other source of authority you choose, or conform to the scripture. But you can't claim scripture as authority and then elevate your opinions to the same level. Just my tandem coppers on the topic. Peace to all.
Scripture is to ambiguous, inaccurate, and filled with outright lies. How could any clear headed, fair minded, moral human being follow the word with no question? We would be giving up on the gift of common sense the Good Lord gave us. Peace to you to My Brother.
By the way, you didn't mention the word Homosexuality in your comment. Maybe you to are aware that the homosexuality was not a part of the original Greek language. And you are also probably aware that the two Greek words for homosexuality is nowhere in the original text! It was made up by men, and added to the bible as part of the writers agenda to spread fear and hatred in order to control the masses. To do that, you need a scapegoat or some other type of patsy to distract the people while you bend them to YOUR WILL, not Gods!
The Greek in the Bible uses the word Arsenokoites http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/733.htm - from arrhen and koite; a sodomite -- abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. Lev 18:22 calls the act of a man having sex with another man an 'abomination' - 'detestable'.
Do not make a statement like that without evident or please give evident.
I said I didn't wanna know. And your persistence at spouting your approval of perversion illustrates that exhibitionism (literal or via words) is a common behavior of libs.
GOD is understanding and he wants everybody to be happy! if they are happy doing that, then why not as long as they are not hurting other people!
I would be curious to know if your god and Brenda's god are one and the same? They don't appear to be...
Hi Prettydarkhorse you are right God is understanding and he want everybody to be happy and he is saying you can only be truly happy in doing what he said. I agree, that you can be only happy in God's will. Take me for example, I can go to another woman for sex but, God says that wrong.
we all was born will the same desires, but, i have to keep mine in check. these man and woman that love the same sex have to keep there desire in check. Because God said it not me.
but maybe what they do is painful as it is a very small orifice
What is written on the subject is this, and Me I'm just the POSTMAN. Judge not, lest you be judged, and let they who are so pure as to be virginal in spirit and body (paraphrasing here) and w/o sin cast the first stone. Would it be better for a man to hate his brother, and kill him? Would it be better for a man to hate himself, and kill himself. This is what they do for your judgement of them, so aren't you then guilty of murder? Jesus said this, Love your brother as you love yourself. Judgement of these things belongs to "The Judge" By the by Hetero and lovin' it!
Jesus also said we will be judged by His Word. You can't deny the Word, as to its clarity on this subject. In John 12:48 Jesus states, "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day." Speaking of judge not, lest you be judged, read Romans 2:1: "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things." Go down to verse 23: "But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?" Bottom line is, the Bible will judge everyone. Live by it and thus live in Christ (John 8:31). Rom 8:1 states, "There is therefore now no condemnation [judgment] for those who are in Christ Jesus".
How about applying "judge not" yourself? Then we can skip this whole pointless discussion.
I agree; everyone already know their answer any way....
what is the true intent of this question?????????????
Get to feel important for having started an "important discussion" perhaps?
I 'think' it's to find out if practicing homosexuality is justified...which it's not.
If a turtle wants to fall in love with a bunney rabbit ..? this isn't for me to judge as long as I don't have to clean up the mess afterwards; But somebody is going to have too.
I don't believe we know the intent of the OP. He/she could just as easily have intended it to open the opportunity to pontififcate and judge and throw the mercy of the great, merciful God responsible for wiping out cities and casting damnation upon the imperfect beings He created imperfectly, and that he then plagued with poxes and pestilences and biological urges they can't seem to control and then left to find "their way" with only a dusty old book cobbled together by groups of the self-same imperfectly created beings and then perverted by thousands of years of politics. That could have been the OP's intent just as easily as your idea. We just don't know.
Jesus makes the 'imperfect' 'perfect' through faith in Him. That's the simple gospel truth. Throw the entire Bible away and keep John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9. He accepts anyone who comes to Him in faith, He then deems (through redeeming) them righteous and changes their old nature into a new nature. We will no longer want to do that which is 'unnatural'. He created us, so He knows what to do with us. Who are we to question Him?
God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. If He had created just Adam and Steve, with the biological makeup of man, there would have been no more humans on earth. I don't think homosexuality was His plan, do you?
LOL, you're going to tell me to "throw out the entire Bible" but for your favorite verses in one breath and then ask me what "His plan is" like it still matters now that we've thrown out the only piece of evidence to support the existence of a Him at all? I'm sorry, but all I can do is repeat, LOL.
Oh, and I should point out that just because something rhymes, doesn't make it a meaningful statement or a reality. As you may recall:
There was an old lady who lived in a shoe
But just because she had lots of kids
Don't make that shoe thing true.
And yet everyone can find self justification for doing anything that they/we want to and for Not doing anything that they/ we don't want to do,
Seems that this is the pefect world that everyone is looking for.
But there are always those other people that doesn't cooperate.....
This is free will that everyone doesn't want for other people.
And does not want to pay the price for being uncoperative.... Then they say that it is gods fault.
for giving us a perfect world, and screwing it up by giving us free will ????? LOL
Deut 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live." We can't just 'not choose', so in that sense we do not have 'free will'. Rom 6:16 "Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?" Mat 6:24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other." There's only two roads.
What make it not pointless is that some will change their mine and some will not.
This is the problem our understanding of the Bible,
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the SAINTS SHALL JUDGE the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? God is talking about eternal judgement, you have no heaven or the grave to put man into so done judge themabout that.
"The term "homosexual" dates from the late 19th century, when human sexuality first began to be studied as a science.
There is no term that means homosexual orientation in the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts of the Bible. The authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation and thus did not write about it. Thus, when you see one of these words in an English translation of the Bible, it is important to dig deeper and find what the original Hebrew or Greek text really means."
Common mistranslations in English versions of the Bible:
"There are two Hebrew words which are often associated with homosexual passages and which are often mistranslated in English versions of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament):
"qadesh" means a male prostitute who engaged in ritual sex in a Pagan temple. This was a common profession both in ancient Israel and in the surrounding countries. The word is often mistranslated simply as "sodomite" or "homosexual." (e.g. the King James Version of the Bible, Deuteronomy 23:17). The companion word quedeshaw means female temple prostitute. It is frequently mistranslated simply as "whore" or "prostitute." A qadesh and quedeshaw were not simply prostitutes. They had a specific role to play in the temple. They represented a God and Goddess, and engaged in sexual intercourse in that capacity with members of the temple.
"to'ebah" means a condemned, foreign, Pagan, religious, cult practice, but often simply translated as "abomination." Eating food which contains both meat and dairy products is "to'ebah" A Jew having a meal with an Egyptian was "to'ebah." A Jew wearing a polyester-cotton garment, or having a tattoo is "to'ebah" today."
i see you are well read, but it still do not change the fact that it is wrong. GOD IS all knowing, he know what each word means, but you would believe a man before God. 2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
What is wrong? The idea that much of the bible has been mistranslated? I've already shown you a couple of the many mistranslations to be found in english versions of the bible so clearly modern versions of the Bible are inaccurate. Even your bible quote above may be inaccurate!
IF scripture was given by God, then how do you know you're reading the correct version? Or even if any modern version of the Bible is an accurate translation? What about the many parts of the bible that were left out? If it's not accurate then you are not following the word of God, but the word of the translators and the word of the Romans who chose what parts to include.
Why do some people like to peek in widows where they don't belong, and why do some people not mind if the emperor is naked, while they seek solace from people like us tied to an umbilical cord to a mental giant non-entity called a computer? Judging from the judgemental crap that can pass itself off as the teachings of an enlightened soul, the fellow who opened this one up should seek solace elsewhere. You people are harsh. (not all, but the rest of us know who you are)
Hey Mark, didn't you know the bibles of the world are the only books that can get away with claiming to provide moral value without actually providing it? (j/k)
Come to think of it - God must be bisexual!
and why are people so very, very interested in homosexuality?
"Leviticus 18:22, Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination." & "Romans 1:24,26,27, Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
"Leviticus 20: 13, If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination
; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Homosexuality is when sexual desire toward a member of one's own sex.
Abomination is sin, not only against your own body but against God.
But there is a solution, Jesus came to redeem us from sin regardless of what kind, He shed His blood for our sin. ALL SIN, Romans 10: 9-10That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. So there is hope, if confession is made, and they turn from their wicked ways.
You do realize the KKK quoted the same book frequently right?
So did Satan (Mat 4:6) and Charles Manson. That's why you need to "study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth" (2 Timothy 2:15), for many false prophets have gone out into the world. Satan disguises himself as an 'angel of light' and so do his 'false apostles' (2 Cor 11:14-15 - whatever version you want to read). Satan, Manson and the KKK were haters and murderers of innocent people.
I can only speak for myself. I have not killed an innocent person.
But you worship a god who according to "The" bible (you still can't identify which of the conflicting versions should be "The") Has slaughtered millions.
Those who slaughtered the innocent were slaughtered in the Bible. God is just; not a 'murderer'. Read any translation (in any language or variation) and utilize the original Hebrew or Greek text and the Holy Bible does not contradict itself. If you read cult bibles (not the Holy Bible), they will contradict the Holy Bible. That's why their material is considered 'cult'-ish. Likewise, those who don't study the Holy Bible and twist its meaning are considered 'false apostles'.
Your quotes are in what most of us refer to as English.
Would you like a lesson on how to study from English to Hebrew or Greek? The Chinese, German and other languages must revert to the original languages also, as translation, in and of itself, can cause error. I have a hub called "How To Do An Inductive Bible Study". There are four words used for the English word 'hell' in the Bible. You could assume they all mean the same thing, but they don't. That's just an example.
Bible. Poyglot. Biblia Sacra Polyglotta. 6 vols. [LANE ROOM BS1 1654a f]. The Samaritan (Hebrew); Chaldaic; Latin (Vulgate); Ethiopic; Greek; Syriac; Arabic & Persian texts. Both Hebrew and Samaritan versions are given when there are two separate versions.
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The certified by god bible would seem to be the best! I have often wondered what language God used when he inscribed the ten commandments into the stone tablets. Also, whether Moses or his followers could read them at all.
Probably Ebonics just to make Brenda mad.
What is much funnier is JD trying to convince anyone she is fluent in ancient Greek.
Dear me - they will lie about anything to show God's mercy to you. Thank goodness that is illegal now.
The Hebrew and Greek text. And what is your point?
English version? None of the bible was written in Aramaic? Were the myths an oral tradition before being written? Is the book of "Q" included in any of these versions? Couldn't God have forseen the emergence of modern English as the World's accepted form of communication and had a copy ready for us from the beginning?
Or was his murderous activity too time consuming?
None of the first born sons of Egyptian were innocent? Including the newborns? Not even the animal ones? Or was God slaughtered for killing them all in his fight with the Egyptian gods?
I think it was Ernest who quoted a figure of 38 million who were "shown God's mercy" in this way. That would put him in third I believe behind Stalin and Mao as the world's most merciful.
Of course God has plans to slaughter billions more.
So do the Devil, but that done make it wrong. if the Bible is wrong then we both will live forever. But, if the Bible is right only I will live for ever.
So now you know what the devil says too! Bull cookies! The bible was made up by common men, just like you except more devious!
The whole problem of this Cults' belief in a nutshell. More money, more power, more life than anyone else. And they will actually be happy that everyone is dead accept them; the choosen few. Do you see just how desparately sick and self centered this whole idea is. Why continue this insane idea of God picking and choosing who will have a afterlife?
CURTIS MAYFIED: If there's a hell below, we all gonna go.
The same thing goes for Heaven!
God's Love and Grace is for all of us. I believe Jesus sacrificed his life for all of his Brothers and Sisters.
Everything the LORD created has a purpose, sex between man and women is to reproduce, God told them to be furitful and fill the earth. How Can sex between man and man produce anything but corruption? Its a violation of the law of reproduction.
God loves the sinner but hates sin, all unrepented law breakers must pay for breaking the laws of God, even crimes against nature!
Where do people come up with such bald statements? Maybe the Lord's purpose was beauty, or to give man pleasure with a secondary purpose of reproduction. After all, we are different than nearly all other animals in that we don't have a "season". Or maybe, in spite of your comment to the contrary, God had no real purpose. And the earth is already full of people. And homosexual sex can produce happiness, pleasure and love - none of which are corruption. And there is no "law of reproduction" except in your own mind.
Nor is it a crime against nature; such crimes are always and only defined by the person speaking of it, not by God or man. In addition more than a few other animals practice the same act; nature cannot commit a crime against itself as it has no concept of right or wrong.
Everything in this universe is governed by laws, there are electrical laws that governs the operation of the very instruments we are using to communicate with each other, if one semiconductor shorts in the power supply breaks whole system goes dead, an electrical law has been broken, death to the system. Without laws there would be no life. Because of the law of mathematics NASA can plan a trip to the moon, and know exactly where the will be a week form now, one missed calculation the spacecraft overshoots the moon and the craft is gone forever. Talk about making bold statement, to say there’s no law of reproduction, that’s got to be one of the boldest statement off all time. Now you are being unreasonable. Ask any biologist if there’s law to reproduction.
If you don’t even accept the reality of the physical laws that you witness everyday, how can you possibly began to understand that there are spiritual laws. I see this can’t go anywhere.
What IS that law, then? The closest I can think of is that a species must reproduce to endure and survive as a species. Mankind has certainly done that for millenia in spite of the homosexuality that has existed throughout history. Species survival does not require that each and every member reproduce itself.
That's a common misrepresentation of the word 'law' as used in science. A scientific law is merely a description of what happens, not a prescription of what should happen. Apples fell before Newton was born.
I think many of us have known children who exhibited homosexual tendencies, or perhaps sexual confusion would be a better term, at an early age. I do not believe they chose to be like this and were simply born with the traits.
How terrible for them to be born in a society in which they are judged as sinful by those who claim to love the God who made not only the unfit, but those who judge them.
Everything in this universe is governed by laws, there are electrical laws that governs the operation of the very instruments we are using to communicate with each other, if one semiconductor shorts in the power supply breaks whole system goes dead, an electrical law has been broken, death to the system. Without laws there would be no life.
Explain, using your laws of the universe; why salmon swim upstream to reproduce. Why do mammal, animals and insects have homosexual sex. Why does the earth continue to spin with all these "laws of the universe" being broken every day, all day?
How many who are judging others and call themselves Christians watch porno? Is that not a sin? How many smoke and drink? Is that not a sin? How many cuss? How many abuse there wives, husband's,children and pets? How many go to nightclubs and bars? How many pick up ladies of the evening? How many are secret about being homosexual and have not came out of the closet? How many do not love thy neighbor as thyself? How many are racist? How many argue instead of embrace? How many judge?
What I am trying to get at is, there are true Christian's who walk right by God's side and they do not judge and forgive those who make mistakes. Look at the backyard of many Christians, before anyone can lead a person to Christ they must first kill the weeds in there own backyard.
Judge and you to shall be judged. Look at the backyard and begin to pluck those weeds. If you are righteous you are entitled to preach, but if you are not begin to work on the lawn.
Now can everyone try to carry on and play nice?
Just my opinion.
Nice try, AEvans, but you only have to look at the second post in this topic to see a professed Christian putting the boot in first, before anyone had said anything. With friends like that, Jesus doesn't need enemies!
Lolololo, well I tried and I did see it shame on them.
Now now that wasn't much of a "peacemaker" comment, was it, Paraglider?
You say blessed are the peacemakers, after publicly judging me quite harshly. Oh well I can take it. It just proves my point in that "second post in this topic." Happy Sunday!
Brenda - your post was the second in the thread, and wholly uncalled for. Aren't you guys supposed to lead by example?
Happy Sunday too, but here Sunday is just another day. Our w/e is Fri/Sat
The perception of 'peace' is interesting. Some think peace comes through strategic discussion all the way up to war; some think peace comes through not ruffling anyone's feathers (fear = sand). All the Apostles would have been considered to fall into the words of Jesus found in Mat 5:9, "blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God". Their names are written on the foundation stones of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:14), yet they certainly 'ruffled feathers' (no fear = Rock) to the point of martyrdom. I respect your witness, Brenda ~ you are a soldier for the Lord!
Thank you lady.
I have much respect for you as well. Blessings!
Don't confuse the ways of man with the ways of the Spirit. The truth is still out there. Just ask agents Scully and Mulder. We are still searching. we are a WIP, We are perfect beings convinced of our imperfection, deceived by lying tongues of those who would manipulate you and I, for they too, are convinced of the imperfection of God's creation. That is why we are insistant that God sees things the way that "I" or "They" do. But what is beyond that door, only God knows. Heaven is not an exclusive place, it is inclusive, and although, yes, sex between not just men but women too, is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, but once the sinner comes into full understanding, they must "take up their bed and walk. Go and sin no more." These are matters between an individual and his creator, and ISN'T for us to judge, for in judging we break God's law, so therefore are in danger of His judgement.
You are right IF they repent and "sin no more".
But the rest of your tirade is bull.
When my Nation is in danger from those who want to make immorality legal, I will JUDGE that as a violation of both God's Law and man's laws any ol' time, and I will be correct.
And you wonder why your religion is despised? I dun tole u what my great grandma would a dun to a abomination agin the Lord like u?
She would a JUDGED a DIVORCED WOMEN PREACHER LIVING IN SIN and promoting the DIVORCE AGENDA AND DUN TAKEN CARE OF THINGS any Ol' time - yes sirree bob.
But - she was a real christian. LOLOLOLO
WHOA Nellie, who said about making anything legal. I don't have my own parade, don't think they should either, I think laws should be made so that they can't FLAUNT their perversions or disseminate their filth to our youth. BUT when we start legislating what happens in your, excuse me YOUR bedroom, then you better get used to the sound of goose steppin' muthas, because they will tell YOU what You can do in the privacy of your own home. No one is to be persecuted especially when it's none of our business, but they shouldn't be allowed to make it our business, either.
What fear are you living in?
I'm not afraid that anyone is gonna tell me what I can or can't do in my bedroom, because I don't do anything wrong in my bedroom. And even people who DO do things wrong in the privacy of their own bedrooms aren't harrassed or prosecuted. So why are you afraid?
And if you really think the gay agenda is wrong, you should be speaking out firmly about it, because it's propoganda like that occurring that has allowed the agenda to even reach our legal system.
Very well said. I's just that I don't think God ever thought or spoke of sex of any kind. Sex and other harmless acts were added by men for control of the masses. Explain why sex between men is an abomination, but sex between a 90 year old man and a 12 year old girl is not an abomination in the Bible. Really...do you think God had anything to do with that? Old, powerful, rich men wrote the Bible so they could F@#k young girls and boys. And another thing; if the word of God and Jesus was so important to the men controlling what went in the Bible; why was Dead Sea Scroll kept out of the Bible?
God said all have sinned and come short of the glory, there is not one person on earth that can say they are perfect. but God also tell us to, Matthew 28-19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. if my teaching have put you in a box then I am sorry. But I do not mean to, it is teaching not Judging. Now If my teaching judge us then, there is hope.
But it was the law of gravity the brought the apples down to the grown,weather science was there to explain it or not.
Back to the op, yes, god approves and loves them. And, like me, I'm sure he loves watching once and awhile.
God loves us all no matter what our defects are we cannot Judge another person; so I can only answer this question with a question:
How can we cast a sed of Judgement on another when we all induldge in sin and is a not one sin just as bad as the other??
Does not scripture say that the measure of judgment that we cast outward will come back upon ourselves?
I gotta get off of here for a while, be back later.
Don't you two ever JUDGE anything?
Except for judging me and other Christians of course.
Yes ME. And anyone else with a moral compass that isn't turned off can rightly judge immorality when it's shoved under their noses and down their throats. But that wouldn't be you two now, would it?
Me ? No, but I dun tole you 'bout my great grandma - a real kristian woman.
She would have taken care of a divorced woman preacher living in sin. Oh yeah.
Brenda - look in the mirror. If you don't see a halo, maybe you're not a saint. So back off. Jesus never asked you to beat folk up for him. It's just not nice.
You back off yourself.
The only person I see here in danger of taking a beating is me (and anyone else who happens to believe in God's Laws) at the mercy of yours and Mark's and Ron's outrageous insinuations and accusations.
Stop making a group out of individuals. Mark, Ron and I have nothing to do with each other. Different nationalities, different philosophies. No connection.
I wouldn't know, since people can have several accounts here.
But, if I am to believe you're separate people, then that only tells me that you're all similarly intolerant of hearing the truth of God's Laws and the fact that man's laws shouldn't be changed to legalize perversion.
Liberalism and rebellion is widespread, I agree.
What do you mean by "I wouldn't know"? That is tantamount to saying you don't believe me. When have I given you reason to doubt my truthfulness?
Mr. Knowles said, "And you wonder why your religion is despised? I dun tole u what my great grandma would a dun to a abomination agin the Lord like u? "
Is this a nice statement Mr. Paraglider?
Not particularly. Mark is more aggressive than I am. He's not passive-aggressive though. Fairly consistent in fact
Do you know the context in which this was originally said? I think not! Mark is just alluding to the narrow-minded self appointed judgmentalism of his grandmother compared to that of a similar individual here on the forums. At least this is my take on it!
If not, my apologies to Mark!
"a abomination agin the Lord like u?"
no context necessary for this seems clear how he feels about the speaker.
Of course you may know him better then I.
Deed I do! And also who the remark was directed to! I do not blame all chrisitians for these types though! They do not want them speaking for them either!
I don't know the type you refer to sir, but I'm happy to see you don't consider all christians to be a certain "type" Very comendable.
Certainly not! I was reared amongst all types of christians! Some were even logical and actually knew the bible was not infallible.
What's you talkin' bout Willis? Lost track of this Chaos. Don't want no hurt feelings cause what I say is never about an individual, but mankind as a species. Please don't take what I say personally EVER, but discussion can be pretty rough sometimes in a debate forum, and sometimes my posts aren't showing in context to what has previously been entered by others.
This was not in reply to anything you said Dave. You haven't been here long enough to know the difference between the trolls and the scrolls! Truthfully, I can stand the trolls better than those self-appointed messengers from god.
Certainly intelligent people can consider both sides of an issue without (and forgive the cliche') mud slinging. I think we get the gist of your posts.
No hurt feelings...smiles only.
Judging Christians judging others judgement JEEPERS! I never pointed a finger at anyone. Is that your guilty conscience peeking out? Methinks they doth protest too much! I judge if my tea water is hot enough. I've got my own darkness as do you, professions of christianity aside. Do not point out the sty in your brothers eye when a log is in your own. Just know we are all being called onto the carpet, for things we didn't even realize we were guilty of.
What are you talking about? Who is "being called out onto the carpet, for things we didn't even realize we were guilty of?"
And by the way, if you're not "judgemental", why are you insinuating things about me that you have no idea about?
You ARE JUDGING.
Don't believe I was addressing you, but sorry if I did. I have said, and stand by my words, that ones sexual exploits, preferences, or perversions should not be aired in public. What you do in your bedroom is NONE OF MY BUSINESS, neither is what I do in mine. I don't parade around in Hetero sexual parades, (and not because they don't have them, it sounds stupid.) and don't believe that ANYONE'S sexual orientation should be disseminated into the public forum. A question was asked, and I answered it. Don't like it, then FORGETABOUTIT
Finally, unless you profess the baptism of fire, then there may be a number of things which A PERSON doesn't even realize they are guilty of, but with the baptism of fire all manner of things are BROUGHT TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE. Even the churches themselves. ALL THE CHURCHES except ONE will be called to answer for iniquity. But then, that must be your church.
Which church is the one church you are alluding too?
Beats me, supposed to be one church that arises in the final times. I have my own beleif. Some people here have confused me w/ a Christian, and my words as some kind of judgement. The thing about abomination is from the old testament, I didn't write it. (or maybe I did) Burn the book if y'all think that will strengthen your position, but don't kill the messenger. I believe Jesus was a man, which puts me firmly at odds with most Christians. I believe that they have blood on their hands, and it cries to God from the ground for justice. Wouldn't be in their shoes.
We are all free to believe what we want about any god or gods or none whatsoever. Of course, others don't like this at all! They think they know best for everyone. They are usually those no one ever wishes to emulate in any form. This only makes them more desperate than ever. So sad!
Still think that's a celtic snake. No matter. Thought I was gonna be burned at the stake there. No matter what I said, butt-hurt was hangin' on. Get thee behind me!
"Of course, others don't like this at all! They think they know best for everyone."
It is a completely wrong concept. This is one of the reasons why people avoid attending church, though they are conscious of its benefits as far as spiritual strength and gaining understanding of the beliefs of different religions.
They acknowledge the fact that the fear of judgement by peers has a certain power in their life and affairs.
Believe me, it is not difficult to develop these fears. If you are earnest and are willing to become stronger, you will certainly overcome them, thus gaining a fuller understanding of life. IMO
We do live in the material world, and what we do in respect to each other matters. I am my brother's keeper as long as my brother wants or needs a keeper, as I would he do the same for me. That is really why judgement on what two people do should be left to spiritual judgement, because judgement by our peers can have consequences beyond what God might/does intend. Persecution of any person should be shouted down. Hate in any form is poison. I am not God's avenging angel, I am not that flaming sword of judgement. (But I am one helluva writer! Pat myself on the back. LOL
No thanks! I have spent way too much time in church among those not unlike some here. Most have no idea where the scripture they study actually came from and have inherited their religion from their parents anyway. Do they actually believe they just happened to be born into the only real belief system? Of course they do!
very reason I don't like talking to indoctrinated Christians. Self centered, paranoid, and self righteous. There is more to God than they will concede. But I also try to avoid Christian bashing, and tend to try to defend them from unfair attacks. They seem to be easily offended.
I'm having visions of what gay men are putting under your nose and down your throat. (you went there!)
Gay people are not telling you to have sex with them or you will be killed and go to hell. You're no victim here!
...this all seems to boil down to a penis....I just don't get it...but that's my opinion.....hey....what about the women? we just don't 'get no respect'!....penis this, penis that....sheesh! pass me the remote.....penis envy....hmmm....sorry all....I hope some of you see the humor in this. What was the question?...man with man...and something about a penis....
You got a good point there. What people are doing with their penises seems to cause alot of people to get very hot and bothered with something that has nothing to do with them. Why so much concern over the use of someone elses private parts? Are people forcefully waving them under peoples noses and shoving them down people's throats? It should be a crime...
It seems so obvious to me. Sex is actually meant to produce offspring. Since two men having sex will not produce offspring how is this natural. So in the subject of religion, God created man and woman to populate the earth. If you are gay it is because you choose to be. But the facts still remain, sex is to produce offspring. Sex in the case of gays is purely for recreation thats all. As far as the original question, God loves all his children, although he may not love what all of them do.
I just know it's comin really quick now Diane! ( the responce)?
And tick tock goes the clock!
So Diane - does that mean if a member of a heterosexual couple is infertile, but they continue to have sex it should be considered recreation and therefore is a no-no?
And to the general discussion - where are the lesbians in all this? I consider myself bisexual (I mean c'mon, women look better than men anyday!). Why is lesbianism generally more acceptable than gay men?
I like the views of Anton Lavey - Do as you want as long as you don't hurt anyone (sounds scarily similar to the Wiccan Rede, doesn't it?)
*Sits and waits for the flames* Yes there is a reason I generally avoid the religious discussion forum!
If two heterosexuals had sex with the intention of having some fun and not with the intention of producing offspring, would that be natural?
And, no Christian, including yourself, has ever had sex for recreational purposes?
Then, god created condoms so we wouldn't over-populate the earth.
Well the topic of this discussion was about men so thats what I referred to. And you are hurting somebody, yourself and your partner. Sorry if you don't see it that way, thats just the way I see it.
I choose to be a gay person since I was six years old. The only harm that came to me was when I dated a girl for appearance sake, and caught a nasty STD. So explain the harm that will come to me and my partner besides old age. I'm 53 and very happy and healthy.
A Person only get happiness from God, therefore, you can not be happy. I think I will ask that question What is happiness? What did you have a STD, Because you went against what God teaches. No sex until marriage. People call themselves christians have sex before marriage are going against God.
Friend It's not about the way I see it, Let me tell you how I see it, Live for to day because tomorrow you die. Now this is how I see it, but, It's not about me ,it's about God.
According to your (flawed) theory, now that me and my husband have had all the babies we want we should never have sex again??!!
Sex, whatever the person's sexual orientation, is about far more than making babies and it's more than recreation as well (though of course, plenty of couples have sex for recreation including hetero couples - is that ok in your rule book?).
Another primary purpose of sex is about expressing commitment, love, affection and strengthening bonds which any adult has the right to enjoy with another adult.
Susana, I agree with most of what you said, but the part about expressing commitment has me confused. How do people use sex to express commitment? Is that when they have sex even though they don't feel like it, just because their partner wants to? That would be women who do this, right? Or anyway, the receptive partner in the relationship?
The partner who can't fake it, on the other hand, couldn't possibly express commitment that way.
No, that's about the farthest from what I was talking about. I think sex can express commitment especially after an argument, or if the couple have been seperated for a while through work or a trip, or if the individuals have been busy doing their own thing and have drifted apart a bit.
Ok, after reading yet another looooooooooooooong set of posts on this subject, it made me a little thirsty so I ask the question.......did anyone bring beer????
I agree, people are far too interested in other people's sex lives.
I don't like beer but I have some lovely Merlot...
The merlot or the beer??????? wait.......I'm sure someone in this forum has more !!!!!!!
Well since Jesus was gay and God was too, it's ok...praise be to Jesus and his disciples who were also gay, even the cross he was resting on was also gay....merry christmas everyone!
i think we first have to ask ourselves "How cute is the man in question, and will he pay for dinner?"
Just think about what you are saying to God and realize you will see these words agin. I know you are trying to be funny, but God is not happy. TO many of his son are in danger. Please help!!
What a self righteous sock puppet
Why do we give non performers here the opportunity to spam our forums with incoherant BS and open hundreds of irrelevant threads for the sake of their own gratification?
Why are you really here OP?
He loves everybody so it doesn't matter to him, HE loves combat sports like fencing and arnis or eskrima!
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