Why were Adam and Eve ashamed of their nakedness?
yes and no. if i told you my interpretation of what believe adam and eve actually were, then it would probably blow your mind, as i have my own theory behind it. of course, i can't prove it to you, nor can i disprove it. however, i doubt seriously you'd understand it if i told you. not saying anything bad about you but unless your actually willing to LISTEN without criticizing and dismissing what i say, then you'll never get it if i told you my hypothesis. besides, you and everyone else here aren't really that much different, as people believe what they want to believe anyways. why do you think there's always arguments and bans on these type of forums. think about that the next time you debate with someone on here. have you ever witnessed anyone changing their religious point of views on here in forums? like ever? if not, then i rest my case. lol. however, your free to believe what you want.
But that is not why we argue - we argue to prevent the babblers persuading the undecided voter to their side - we are actively working toward peace and love for all by providing deeply reasoned argument, correcting misinformation and seriously taking the p//ss out of bibble babble.
uh huh, and you don't think your not considered babblers to the other parties argument? that's very interesting. seeing as how there's always two sides to every story.
you sound like a politician by the way trying to persuade someone to believe that lies and deceit come from the other party. when reality both sides are equally flawed and both babble misinformation in an attempt to make the other party look bad, so it'll help their cause. instead of offering issues of why their side is right, they offer arguments why the other side is wrong. to think your side is different from the other is illogical.
it's like me talking to a guy, from russia, about the difference between capitalism and communism. sure, we can debate all day about which form of society is better, but both our arguments will be biased, as neither one of us have first hand knowledge what the other side is like. he has no idea what it's like to be in a capitalistic society, and i have no idea what it's like to be in a communist society. that's the problem with people these days. they pick up a freaking book or look online about something, then assume they're experts on almost ANYTHING they care to read or research. however, what they fail to understand is that there is a distinct difference between learning something that you researched than ACTUALLY KNOWING the both sides of the story.
Sure, it's easy to look at middle eastern farmers, and wonder why the heck to do they live in a damn desert. Where anyone that knows agriculture will tell you that nothing ever grows out in the freaking desert. however, you have to remember that's part of their culture, and probably don't know any other way to live. who are we to say they're wrong? its their culture, so why should we judge and dictate to them? besides, look at how gloriously well our influence is working on iraq.
anyways, i hope that doesn't offend you, as that's not my intention. however, nobody should ever dictate or tell the other party what to believe.
Oooooh! And this is coming from a red-haired avatar that shares an unusual resemblance to Lilith. LOL I LOVE IT!!!
brother yochanan totally whipped two of your hubs getitrite and has defused so many debunkings against the bible i don't see where you get off saying that with any honesty at all. You must be an atheist using that sliding scale of truth you want everybody else to adhere to
now thats DISTURBING
Quark:
You haven't thought this thru. Nor do you know the scriptures.
Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the FLESH instead thereof;
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and FLESH of my FLESH: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
The key word here is FLESH. flesh was the same then as it is today. When it gets poked with a sharp object it screams, when it stubs its toe it hurts.. the emotions etc.. are all there.
Researching the holy scriptures further we see that adam and eve were discovering a part of themselves they had not known before.
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. The attributes you describe ( pain, suffering, punishment, evil, temptation - although you have a mixed bag here) were new to Adam and Eve so they dealt with the situation like every human outside of Gods will does, as best they can. They sewed aprons or leaves for a covering, and this (I can't believe YOU went on like this, yknow language like this really does prove nothing and is useless in a discussion: demented, omniscient god thing - God is a person in jesus christ and a father in the spirit - now give us your happy face
Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. God came along with a better idea and gave them better (solutions) to their problem of nakedness.
If you haven't been reading the hubs around town or some posts there has been much inclination to speculate that the serpent was not an actual real snake. And for your benefit to that i will add serpent is indicative of false doctrine and some have mentioned that the serpent may have been adam and eves internal struggle with choosing good and evil, hence why god did not show up early and stop the snake or why adam and eve didn't give the serpent a good thumping or ask God to remove it. Your outdated information is really cumbersome to the new age thinking christian, we are beyond the childish surmisings of our predecessors. Won't you catch up?
It's not so much we lack thought and understanding WE (rhetoric) often go by that which has been taught to us and without rethinking it, for surely the stumblingblocks you mention did stumble us, but then again we don't rely on Genesis to confirm what we experience in God everyday, the teachings of our predecessors are based on faith, they didn't understand it either but yet they knew, as we do, that God exists, is alive, etc and on and on. But in these last times, God is revealing his word in another layer or depth and these past confusions that were alive are dead now to a new enlightenment, proof that Gods word is infallible and because our white bred north american minds cannot instinctively know what the hebrew connotations with serpent were 6,000 yrs ago. But i say, BRAVO to my predecessors because they held firm inspite of their unrevealed knowledges.I've researched this and i have found that most churches which make up this 40k you talk of are named by country not entire different denominations. If you can once again i am asking for consideration, BACK UP your statements I would be entirely happy.
http://www.adherents.com/ midway down the page offers a comprehensive list of religious beliefs. I inject that Acharya's Yoga and Meditation Centre is not christian, nor is Acholi, Abkhazian, Acheh, Acholi (african culture), lol i don't wanna go through more but you can see the innacuracy of your statement for another comprehensive detail go to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ch … ominations
here you will see that many of these denominations are named by COUNTRY and therefore cannot be construed as different sects and neither can be construed as cults. (your inference of cult is just that, inference, please do not try to pass your guesses as proof)
"I read your words and chuckle at the extremity of ignorance, you publicly, and proudly display in your monotheistic ranting". Well now you can EAT those WORDS and believe me i am the one chuckling.
"You exist as but one of billions of primitive thinkers that may be responsible for a massive reduction in human population.
But, your ilk is what makes the forum fun and interesting....but scary!" and this i say to you with proof! not just an inference of an opinion which is so far from the truth, i think you might be hiding in a hole ashamed to show your type around here until you learn better.
Have a nice moment or two
your welcome, but i don't think it was your point.. In this you infer incorrectly as well.
but thats your sliding scale of truth working for you.
makes it easy to deny all sorts of things and come up smelling like roses huh.I think you have just made his point again - better than he did
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I wondered where than gene came from! Adam was a bit weird sexually, having it on with one of his own ribs and all.
hey Earnest, maybe if Eve had not hollerd out; "So, what do you think your going to do with that!" he may have been more comfortable
sorry coud not resist!
if these mythical beings were anything like todays people it would have to do with tiny titties and teeny winky
LOL
And they didn't have viagra back then!
So sad!They didn't need it - if they could 'raise' Lazarus then a little guy like that would have been no porblem
Waddya expect from a guy with a rib missin?
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okay guys, if you really want to know my theory that badly. i'll tell you. take in mind, i could be wrong on this, as this is solely based on my opinion. however, i think when the bible was written it was written metaphorically, and NOT in literal terminology. if you look and scrutinize every little thing in the bible then of course, it comes off as pure biblical fictitious nonsense. seriously, how could something as vast and as complex as the universe be created in freaking eight days?
To get back to Adam and Eve, I don't believe there ever was a single person named adam and eve as being the first two humans on earth. that would be ridiculous, as that would imply anyone in this forum that had sex before all committed incest at some point in their lives, since all of us would be related to adam and eve in some way or another. No, my belief is that adam is a symbolic representation of all the earlier ancestors of man while eve represents the ancestry of the early women that first developed on earth. Plus, I do think that darwin's theory and the bible's creationism theory do have a lot of similarities, which is another reason why i believe the bible is written metaphorically. As I don't view darwin's theory as a contradiction to religion. no, i view it more as a blue print for what the bible was alluding to.
my rationality behind that is this. adam and eve came from the jungle. so did early depictions of mankind in darwin's theory. who's to say that the bible wasn't speaking metaphorically to depict Adam as the early ancestry of mankind. While making Eve be a representation of all the early women. Secondly, i don't think adam and eve ever wore clothing, and i doubt they even looked human. no, i think if anything they looked more like apes or neanderthals if you will.
now, before you all start questioning me about what does the snake and apple represent in the theory that i have. please keep in mind, that i could be wrong on all this, as this is just something i think could be plausible. if you look at darwin's theory there is no link between neanderthal man to cromagnum man (otherwise known as modern man which is us). plus, there's been scientific studies showing that if you broke down the DNA of every living organism from a bird, to a bug, to a chimp, even a freaking elephant or anything for that matter, they're all basically the same cell wise on the most BASIC cellular level. Where as humans, our DNA doesn't match any organism on this freaking planet...even on the most BASIC cellular level.
this is where my theory comes into play as i have three different possibilities for you. The snake and apple could represent symbolically how either a group of advanced aliens came to our planet for scientific research and gave certain members of neanderthals enhanced intelligence through various experiments. thus, mutating their bodies to form the humanoid appearance that we have today. the women were probably more willing to the experiments than the men, so that's probably the metaphor behind the whole "Eve tempting Adam to eat the apple." With the snake being a symbol for the aliens. hence, that would probably explain why there's no link between neanderthals and cromags, and why we haven't evolved since and why there's now records of how neanderthals existed alongside cromags, as not all of them were given advanced intellect.
another theory i have is that mankind wasn't originally from this planet at all. no, our ancestors might have escaped from a dying world and inhabited this planet. then in an effort to start over, they destroy their ship and all the evidence that they ever came from another planet, so future generations would never know their mistakes. Women were threatened by the appearance of the neanderthals, as they were a violent and savage race. Thus, another theory behind Eve tempting Adam, as they were encouraged to kill the neanderthals for their safety. With the snake being a symbol of fear in this scenario.
Another theory i have, i know some of you will ridicule me for, but i'll say it anyway. please bear in mind, as i stated before. i have no idea if im right or wrong on any of these theories. thus, if you try to debate me on them or criticize it, then please don't expect a response. not because i don't want to, but it's because i really don't know. therefore, it would be pointless to debate it, as i even said earlier i could be wrong on all these. anyways, my other theory is that god isn't what we think he is. i don't buy into the concept "that god created man in his image." i believe he created us in his image in terms of intelligence and ability to comprehend things unlike animals that go off pure instinct, but i doubt seriously he ever made us look like him physically. as i don't believe god ever had a human body at all. no, i believe he's a nothing more than a ball of giant pure energy.
as most of you are aware, many scientists believe in stephen hawkings "big bang theory" when it comes to explaining the creation of the universe itself. however, even he admits in his documentary about that same said theory, "the big bang theory does not preclude the existence of a creator." if you believe in the big bang theory, then it's believed that our universe was started out of spontaneous combustion. however, what was the power behind that combustion? what caused it? i don't think it was a freak accident, as there had to be a powerful force behind it. hence, this is where god comes into play. who's to say that the concept of time is the same to god? who's to say that a billion years is like a day for him. hence, it would make the whole creation theory plausible, as scientist have speculated and theorized that it must have taken billions of years for our universe to develop. so 8 days to god, would equal 8 billion years for our universe to form. this would make everything plausible for the creation of our universe.
As for the adam and eve scenario falling into play, this is where it gets tricky for me to say. as i do believe in darwin's theory taking place on the early stages of earth, up to neanderthal man's time frame. However, as i stated before, i believe god is a mountain of pure energy and part of his life force (or energy fragments if you will) dispersed from him and went into quite a few neanderthals. thus, mutating them into what we are today..which is modern man. The snake and apple in this scenario would be the symbolic representation of the energy trying to tempt neanderthals into accepting it's life force to grant infinite intelligence. Women were probably the first to embrace this life force, and then tempted the men to do the same. Thus, paving way for mankind to be born. This brings me back to my other theory about heaven. I think when a person dies their life force leaves their body and becomes one with the original source again. only to be dispersed back light years later. if the person is pure most of his/her life, then they will continuously disperse and rejoin the life source of energy. if the energy is tainted, then it just dies. That to me is what hell is. hell is the denial of existence.
Anyways, i know i'll probably get a lot of flack and skepticism for these theories. However bear in mind, I'm NOT telling you that im right about any of these, as i could be easily wrong on all of them. therefore, please bear that in mind if you try to debate any of these with me, as i don't have any answers to give you to prove my point of view. therefore, it's not wise to ask questions when there are no answers to give.
As far as the whole god creating eve off adam's rib goes, i have no freaking idea what that metaphor means. so don't even ask me how that concept falls into these theories either. lol. anyways, i hope you all enjoyed reading this. damn, with all that i wrote, i should have probably turned this into a hub.Everyone knows that they looked like Brad and Angelina! Gee!
that's cool. well i hope it was worth the wait, and thanks for the applause. i look forward to hearing your response to it soon.
- you crack me up with these earnest. where do you find these?
thanks buddy. i'll be sure look all these over when i get the chance. wow, a lot of these are pretty damn funny.
Carlin was a great thinker, yes. The website has a lot of political comment that hits the mark as well.
You know who I love too? Janeane Garofalo. She's bad as$!!!
Funny too! I like her style.
is that another hypothetical situation?
and who invited adam and eve to dinner?
werent they the only ones around?
the reason for "arguing" is that obvious wrong statements occur and the christians try to correct the wrong statements, blatant lies and many deceptions that abound in the mind of the unsaved. None of them know the bible and they have none of the answers, because they aren't OF God and they don't have a relationship with God and they don't study his word and yet they try to 'seem smart' and 'appear to be having a good time' while to me the poverty of their souls is so obvious.
Often when people become wounded at a time in their life they stop developing mentally. When a deep hurt really affects a person their normal development will be stunted, not physically, but mentally. This is also true of a car accident where a person gets hits by a car, wacks their head and doesn't think clearly for the rest of their life. Often when people attempt christianity but fail at it miserably they become bitter, and then unable to come to terms with their failure and impending barbeque they acquire hate with their bitterness and so become obsessed with some form of venting their anger and bitterness and hatred they slowly lose parts of their sanity and become depraved in the strong delusion that they are correct because otherwise they would just snap. Indeed some become the psychos they accuse their ex-christian god of being.
sad really, so sad.
There are lots of good solid biblical answers and hubs here but they do not venture to try and learn. Strong delusion indeed. So as you may be able to understand now there is a lot of psychological obsession and general sickness abounding to stop the God of the bible and Loving your enemies and doing good to those who persecute you and give to the poor and not have sex with another mans wife ever, this is a movement they want to stop. Now you have to ask yourself, why would anyone want to stop a movement like that?It's easy to see.
it's the spiritual eyes.
you see it too.
Of course there will be some rebuttals.
maybe i should just laugh now.
would that be prophetic...?.
ahhh the clean humor of godliness, how refreshinghahahahaha
your inferences are @ssinine.
i see damage in you
I'd wish you were LEARN to back up your ridiculous @ssumptions. The more i hear from you the more i realize you don't have a clue.
"You say everyone who is not christian is damaged psychologically" Where did you get this from? and i see the validity in it but not to ALL just the atheists in here which would have been the context, oh yah you guys don't understand context very well...
"all those other christians are not really christian", isn't this what you say? How come you can say it but i can't? hypocrite!
"'learning' what you say". lol i put the stuff out there, do with it as you will, no where do i say anybody has to learn what i say, God will either reveal it to them or not i am in a postion of expounding not forcing. duh.
"and then having isolated yourself into a group of around five you claim that only you guys will be saved by a demented super being who 'hid you away' for some reason" amazing stupid.
thanks for dropping by, use the window next time as we are on the 15th floor
hahahahahaha
yell at me some more
hahahahaha
Jesus said, he who has ears to hear and eyes to see, dont u see that
of course not
wanna know why
of course not
lol and you call me deluded
be quiet or i will sick brother yochanan on your hubs, lol.
I have just noticed the funny situation of a naked Adam being championed by 'hanging out'
really? what situation do you speak of?
he needs time to think up another falsity
so God created clothing for them because they were intellectually naked.
Why do people who never read the book have so much to say?
Genesis 3:21 "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them". maybe their heads were cold
Yes the summerians were around eventually but not at the garden incident. Later yes. Genesis was penned between 1446bc and 1401bc, giving other civilizations ample time to pen their false doctrines created from the imagination of their own minds, much like egypts Gods were formed. Interesting stories do not clarify biblical truths.
have a nice day.Are you really still saying that you commenting on a thread about Adams shame at being naked isn't funny? and you think it was his head that was cold!
Other believers might consider the bible in the same way you consider the Quran.
Notice this is how wars start?
Oh dear - creationist bloopers again.
Never mind the fossil record, never mind the scientific FACTS - never mind any attempt at reaon - a quote from an iffy novel wmust be true because hanging out says it is - no god, just hanging out.
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