Well, we can all agree that Adam is eliminated as a possibility. Many have argued that Adam and Eve produced daughters , and leave it at that. But I see no reason why Eve would not have been an option as well. I'm sure that in that time and place it would have seemed perfectly natural for mothers to mate with their sons, and for fathers to mate with their daughters. If you are the only people in the world, then you really have no choice but to get the party started any way you can.
Hey Ronnie! STOP it! Genesis 1:26 "...let THEM have dominion..." He created more humans than Adam & Eve but Bible has emphasis on the genealogy of Jesus! Yet there was incest! Why covered under 613+ Mosaic laws (Lev 20,21)! I just spoke of u
We can assume that many people were seeded in the Earth at once. However, population would still be isolated in small tribes. As a result, I wager that incest was the norm. Didn't you ever watch "Deliverance?"
No! We don't "assume" (Gen 1:26 "THEM")! 2 Pet 1:3 "all thgs pertaining to life & godliness" is n Scripture! Nope, haven't seen "Deliverance!" Gal 2:12 "For I neither recv'd it of man, neither was I "taught" it, but by "revelation" of Jesus Chri
Neither of the bibles were written or created by other than mere humans, and it took many authors contributing to it over several hundreds of years. The bibles were also not written contemporaneous with the depicted events in them.
First of all, there weren't just two people on the earth. There were perhaps thousands.The biblical idea that there were just two people on the earth is pure hyperbole. So their sons mated with women outside their tribal group & multiplied the human race.
Cain wife came from Seth his brother Adam was 800 years when Seth was born Seth became the Father of sons and daughters at the age 807 years Seth lived to be 912 years. Enough space and good blood line there would be no birth defects
J: Well, if there's "Oneness" & "such as no beginning & no end," JESUS was there in that SAME ONE SPIRIT! YOU distort Jonny! K&T: Cain went into NOD & wife ALREADY there & "He knew her!" Seth & children begotten AFTER Cain l
For an atheist to take a literal interpretation of the Bible, especially genesis, is illogical to start with. Such non sequitur premises are used by many atheists purely for the sake of mockery of entire religions. Such behaviour is not scientific, unethical and atypical of true atheist university level studies of religion. Sensationalist bigoted premises don't belong in serious discussions but are deliberately designed to "troll" discussions ie purely for the sake of offense and controversy.
I did misunderstand! I re-read and do apologize! Yes, "mockery" & "trolling discussions" are "purely for the sake of offense and controversy!" But that's Satan's job (Jn 10:10) to "try & prevent TRUTH being told!" My apology!
So are u saying that REAL Christians never take the bible to be literal? And can u provide evidence where God says that we should take the bible allegorically or metaphorically? If u cant, then this is not a Non sequitur...but just your opinion.
Empiricism is far more fantastic and delusional than The Book of Genesis. We cannot know for sure that 2+2=4. All knowledge is interpreted through our particular design. We have no perception, nor can we reason outside of that design.
We MUST deny ourselves & everything we've learned in life! 2 Chronicles 7:14 says "If MY people, which are called by MY NAME, shall "HUMBLE" themselves, & pray, & SEEK MY FACE, & turn fm their wicked ways, THEN will I hear fm heaven
Norine, so should we take Mathew 13:10-13 allegorically too. Or do we take this verse only literal.If the bible is allegory, then it would seem that even Mathew 13:10-13 should also be interpreted to mean something other than what it states LITERALLY
Get: IF one does not have the Holy Spirit to HELP, he can't "discern" which is which! Why I keep telling all to get GUIDANCE by WAITING for "revelation!" K&T: HE KNOWS, we don't! We HOPE! Heb 11:1 "FAITH is the substance of things HOPED for.."
K&T: We "hope" we've done what HE'S asked in WORD w/o "twisting" & missing anything but HE KNOWS "IF" we will allow Holy Spirit "reveal" vs "Leaning to OUR OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5) BEFORE we were born! GOD KNOWS ALL!
Norine if you are doomed because he knows what you will do .there is no need to add .your belief .your opinion Because you are doomed to die.as you are saying he already knows what you will do. Then there no choice.
I didn't see u use any WORD here! Therefore, JUDGING! I give WORD, you give judgment, insult! Who does GOD LOVE; one who "judges" & insults or one who gives HIS WORD? If what I believe not IN WORD - I'd agree! U already know what I will do?
The word in the original Hebrew is not a man's name, Adam, but the word for "mankind," which is adam. Spelled the same in English, but two totally different ideas. And the word Eve does not appear. Instead, it is yitzah, meaning woman, or all females. Thus, when mankind and womankind had offspring, there were definitely more than just two people.
Your talent with Hebrew notwithstanding, your explanation serves only to spare the frail sensibilities of the Christian mainstream who refuse to accept that incest was most likely in small tribes or isolated families. It does not answer the question.
Ronnie where was there a law before Moses saying what incest was? Can you show scripture. This was established with Isreal and then they were the only ones binded with oath to keep their agreement with the true God.
K&T: Ronnie was not saying it was "law," but Brian's response only "spared the frail sensibilities of the Christian mainstream who refuse to accept that incest was most likely in small tribes or isolated families" & didn't answer Q!
Because the original Hebrew word for "Adam" is not a name, it is a word meaning "mankind." the word "Adam" is a transliteration (not translation) of אָדָם . The translation of the [ transliteration ] adam, is "mankind."
Again, the Bible is MAINLY the genealogy of JESUS! So they were "literal" (Gen 3:20)! There's ALWAYS a Message behind the Message & the "whole idea here" is "Disobedience brings Consequences" (Gen 3:14-19)!
Ash: Did I not tell u the Holy Spirit tells ALL? Even in the "natural" after 65 yrs don't u thk I've heard it before? Why r u so "carnal?" When Spiritual, ALL thgs r "revealed" especially concerning HIS WORD! Man's knowledge can't compare!
KissandTell, your statement is based upon a lack of understanding of Hebrew used in Genesis. There are ways to distinguish names from concepts. Otherwise the Bible would be intranslatable. Using Adam as a name is a huge assumption by translators
Ashton the meaning had to have a root word. You have to admit the name sounds like Adam close to our speech. Meanings are not personal names. If I was just to call you lady or woman yes that is identity or gender but not your persnal name.
Kissandtell: you do not get me. To understand fully I'd have to explain Hebrew to you. Adam is translated (in the same book of Genesis) as both mankind and Adam. The meaning is ambiguous at best and should not be definitively translated as a name
Ash: Intellectualizing is against the WORD of GOD! One "takes over" the job of the Holy Spirit! Jn 14:26 says "HE" would "lead & guide us into ALL truth" & Prov 3:5 asks us to "Lean not to "your own" understanding!" Great! You know Hebre
KissandTell: that would be great to discuss with you, but there's hardly room here. May I switch to forum? If not it's ok I'll find a way to explain here. The ambiguity is something you learn very early in studying Hebrew; there is quite a bit of inf
@kissandtell, thank you! I will write a thread @norine--if pursuing correct translation is intellectualizing,andGod is against intellectualizing,then God is against the very translation which you read. Ppl had to use intellect to translate.
You don't "understand" the POWER of the Holy Spirit! It doesn't matter how Hebrew was translated by man, how they inserted "their opinion," how they left out Portions, the Holy Spirit will "reveal!" U (& anyone following u) underestimate GOD!
How would this be revealed, Norine, except through more accurate translation? Every approach relies on the use of mans intellect. Is it not possible that the error is in the initial translation, which he is now revealing via added knowledge?
Ashton Norine is on an attack mode .she can not understand you because her knowledge is limited. If she feel you know something she doesnt as you see she verbally attacts because that is all she knows. You can not make her understand you.
When food is scarce humans eat each other. When sexual partners are scarce humans mate with members of their own family, and even farm animals. Ozzie and Harriet were created in the 1950's., and they still didn't exist.
Ronnie very lnteresting very true. But that just means how much more humans need help with moral thinking. Most people you have listed just do not consider how their creator feels about their choices and conduct. So they just live how they feel.
K&T: Yes, TRUTH does "attack" (Heb 4:12)! U deny GOD KNOWS ALL (Predestination), U deny HOLY SPIRIT can "lead & guide into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26), yet I don't KNOW anything? You're an "UNBELIEVER" for IT IS WRITTEN! Who's "attacking" the WO
This is interesting Brian. God definitely uses symbols. Esther means Bride. Peter means Stone. People's names have great meaning. I'm curious if you believe that all the people in the Bible are not real people, but were they are all symbols.
Ron: U r RIGHT! When ppl r "hungry" (lack knowledge) they "eat ("try") others!" If 1 is "anointed" Gen 12:3 applies! Ash: "Intellectualizing" causes human err & overrides Holy Spirit! Matt: GOD spoke in parables, etc.
@Matt, not sure if the question is to me, but no I don't think that about all names. But there are ways to determine if something is a name. In Adams particular case, it's ambiguous, by the nature of the Hebrew @Norine trans. Requires ppl. Unavoidabl
Ash: You apparently "think" you (man) have MORE KNOWLEDGE than GOD Who is the HOLY SPIRIT! Either you don't know the POWER of the Holy Spirit or "think" you are greater! Is there NOTHING impossible for GOD? You seem to "think" so!
Ash: I've "listened" to u speak commenting on several Q's & ur responses comes fm a "carnal" standpoint! U don't seem to understand, when discussing Bible It's all fm the "Spiritual" realm (Jn 4:23-24)! Until then, we're in 2 diff worlds!
IF u knew how Holy Spirit Works, u wouldn't say these thgs! HE "reveals" ALL "lies!" If I give WORD, not me but GOD speaking! How u accept HIM (WORD), is up to u! Remember JESUS "tore up Temple" when ppl sinned! I haven't done that YET!
sh: When one speaks & don't KNOW Scripture, they LIE! GOD LOVES JUDGMENT! Google "Is It Right to Judge?" & READ "many" Scripture to confirm! "Catholic Faith" has "taught" MANY in err! Satan has used them to "confuse" most! Especially w/o S
It's Gods duty to judge, not yours. Unless you make yourself out to be God. You assume that this is the incorrect translation because you have chosen to believe what people tell you. Study the Hebrew manuscript yourself, then get back to me.
Apparently you CAN'T READ or DON'T CARE just talking IF you READ "Is It Right to Judge?" Article which gives numerous Scriptures saying GOD LOVES JUDGMENT! Man has REALLY "twisted" your brain fm WORD! Get back w/me when "anointed" w/Holy Spirit!
Judge not, that you may not be judged. Judgement belongs to God. If you want to put blind faith in human translators of your Bible, you go ahead. I prefer to study Hebrew and read the original Bible myself. Yelling and insulting is not God's way.
Sorry Satan "taught" u (& u believe) "judging" isn't of GOD! IF u really cared, you'd READ WORD provided in Article not "man's" but "GOD'S!" U've not read anything but Hebrew? If 1 has "anointing" GOD (aka Holy Spirit) translates ALL languages!
Of course judging is for God. Judging is not for you, Norine. And you do realize that the original manuscript is in Hebrew right? I can read in several languages. But Hebrew is the original. You put faith in English translators. I do not.
I "put my faith" in the Holy Spirit (GOD) u do not! I keep telling u, "carnal" (u) vs "Spiritual" (me) so u can't understand! I Cor2:14 ""Spiritual" is "foolishness to u!" So it is as if a Chinese talking to a German! READ Bible on "judging!"
Gods original words were given to the Hebrews. That is the source of your English Bible. So you condemn me for reading the original Hebrew Word of God? Be careful who you judge, Norine. Notice I have been respectful to you and not condemned
Ash: To me, u r a soul who knows Hebrew+! There is NO WAY (whether in Paleo-Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Aramaic, or ANY language) man is more knowledgeable than GOD (aka Holy Spirit)! I'm talking "G-O-D," THE ALMIGHTY & u're talking man's diff translat
Not at all. I'm talking about the original Hebrew Bible. There is less chance of translation error if you study the original. You see? Will God punish someone who is doing their best to find the most accurate representation of His words?
Yes! HE asked us to "Lean not to YOUR OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)! HE DIED, sent Holy Spirit to HELP (Jn 14:26;16:13) & u say "Forget U I can do better?"How "UNGRATEFUL!"HE SAID HE would "lead & guide us into ALL truth" but if u don't blv
Not one of us has it exactly correct, for unlike you, I believe human translators can make mistakes, as they are human. You may put your trust in them if you wish. I take my leave now, for you act nothing like the God you claim to serve.
U misunderstand! I don't put my trust in ANY man! Again MY FAITH IS IN THE HOLY SPIRIT as asked to do in Prov 3:5 unlike you who believes man's translations! GOD vs man? I'll take GOD (aka Holy Spirit)!
When I think about such things, I keep two facts firmly in mind. The Bible is created from the minds of men to justify a particular religious belief system and that homo sapiens did evolve from earlier primates. That makes this question moot.
Then you guys need to provide a book with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible if It was not "inspired by GOD?" If u can't, only "your opinions!" Case & Point: Holy Spirit tells "ALL truth" to ANOINTED "Believers!"
Now this is the REAL story of Adam & Eve. There really WAS NOT an Adam and Eve. About 300 years after Jesus died and rose, people started to lose him and were not able to reach him, so it got around that if they took a special "herb drug" they wo
dear people locate in originol bible and quran and then tell me who was the father of Jesus same here eve was a woman who birthed adam by her ribs and then their couple gave birth to sons and dougters plz locate in originol bible andquran to get ansr
Now this is the REAL story of Adam & Eve. There really WAS NOT an Adam and Eve. About 300 years after Jesus died and rose, people started to lose him and were not able to reach him, so it got around that if they took a special drug hidden in appl
It's amazing how you can give a clear, concise, intelligent, knowledgeable answer to a question, yet then individuals with no intelligence outside of their narrow religious views refuse to hear your answer.
The accounts in the bible tell us at Romans 5:12. The cure would be provided also by one man. 1Cor 15:21. So we all as humans have genetically inherit death from Adam. If God had created another man the way he did Adam direct we would not be here. We sin and die like Adam If another man was created then he would not have genetically the problem we all have. God could have easliy destroyed Adam and Eve after their betrayal but he did not to save their offspring us. That is why Jesus paid the cost with his life for us. Next how did the earth get populated. Through relatives Not quickly. But there was no law that you could not marry a cousin or relatives. Remember Adam and Eve also had other children who had children so they married cousins. The next thing to remember is Adam lived without a mate for a long time. Then when he received a mate he still did not have children for awhile. It was after they sinned that children came into this world but marked by them. And we carry their mark of genetically we can die no matter even if we have good health. Our life force can leave the body.
Gen 4:13-17 Cain left w/no one & went to the land of Nod. (v17) "And knew his wife" (which was already in Nod)! Where do you get these ideas? I told u the Bible emphasizes the genealogy of Jesus! Jn 21:25 "Books can't contain all thgs JESUS did!
My Eso , that is not a good choice to believe. Because those so call primates as of today can not have an intelligent conversation of who their family tree includes. Nore can they tell you why they in up in somebodies zoo. No truth comes from them.
U r abnormal! Normal ppl respond under commentator! U responded under my name as if talking to me! Why r u "twisted" in most everything? Even commenting! If u comment under my name, I will respond due to ur typos!
Did I say Norine , No I said Eso. You are not the only one that make comments here. Again I use avaible comment space so I can continue to post all of my statement even though broken up. My comments will appear all togather on the feed a short time
As in the word togather, I thought another "typo!" Let's not talk "trivia!" LOOK! I agree Cain mated w/sister based on Gen 5:4 which was not my "original" answer! LOOK & see how Holy Spirit sent one to tell me! I AGREE WITH YOU! Holy Spirit "CO
Think I'll have to unfollow this thread as it's just turning into a religious argument between 2 people now! You can argue ad infinitum and no one will ever know for certain so concentrate on your writing - life's too short - that is a certainty!
Their were women in the Bible pregnant with siblings that were of different nationalities. Rebekah was pregnant with Esau and Jacob, 2 siblings with different nationalities. Genesis 25:19 - 26 Jacob and Esau's children was not really cousins but 2 nations. I'm not sure if they intermingled or not.
The mythology have change greatly since Jewish era and Christian era. The original story before Christianity, Adam and Eve were originally from a story of ancient Africa pegan faith.
In the original story, there many gods in heaven. Amount the many gods, there was one name Yahwha (AKA Christ), Yahwha has a son (later Judiasm name him Adam) Adam married a beautiful goddess name, who is a strong and independent woman. (Later Hebraw name her Lilith) But Adam is what we today refer to as a rich spoil brat and demand for Lilith to serve him, unwillingly, Lilith left and came down to earth, using mud, she created many human (thus in original story, man are not created by Christ, but by Lilith) because she is lonely, Angry Yahwha threaten to send floods and demons to kill Lilith's children if she don't return. Lilith said no, So, Yahwha send a giant flood to flood the earth and send demons. Lilith kill the demon and seal the portal in heaven that allow flood water to come, but by that stage, many of Lilith's children died. Lilith created a powerful dragon name Satan to protect her children and return to heaven, for her revenge, Because Lilith refuse to return, yahwha took a rib from Adam and create a woman to be his wife (Jews later name her Eve), Eve is innocent, Lilith transform into a giant snake and manipulate Eve to eat a golden fruit and let Eve to let Adam to also eat it, after eating it, the fruit turn Adam and Eve mortal and they was been casted down to earth by the other gods. Lilith then use her lust, to seduce Adam and suck try his life source, she then cursed Eve and cause her to have an abortion. An angry Yahwha see revenge on Lilith by punishing her children, so, the battle between Yahwha and his angels, led by Michael and Lilith and her dragons, led by Satan, continue.
In early story, Lilith and Satan was the good guy, Yahwha and Michael was the bad guy, but by Jewish era, it was reverse, because Jew believe they are children of Adam and Eve, not the creation of Lilith. Later, Lilith got wrote off, all together.
Well, since THAT ONE SPIRIT has the POWER to heal the sick, raise the dead, walk on water, drive out demons, "RECOGNIZE DEMONS", etc., what a MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE & HIS NAME is JESUS! Provide that book!
Example you go to college take up Auto repair.what is the point of going to class to learn the trade when the teacher is going to fail everyone that comes in the class. We all came into this world and God will not fail us be we will fail ourselfs.
Gen 2:18. Adam was all alone. When created it was said in our image , not animal not plant. But the image of God as God is Love.His attributes. Animals are limited. Also all humans come from Adam because humans die. Only the seed of Adam dies
Yes, God is Love. And Image is a physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing, photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible. So when He says image he's talking about a physical likeness, not just His attributes.
Atheists question the logic of the bible, especially the book of Genesis, while Christian try to provide logical answers to the events in the bible.
Genesis 1 :26 & 27 states:
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The "us" means that there were more people with God. Thus the beginning referred to in Genesis, was not the first beginning of creation.
Remember, GOD is a Spirit (Jn 4:23-24), Who "manifests" in "GLORIES" (I Tim 3:16; Jn 17:5)! We have nothing to substantiate "..Gen was not the first beginning of creation." If not in Bible, not True (Rm 3:4)!
Angel there is another way we can understand this. When God said let us make man in our image .that meant his dominant attributes. God is love. Every Human loves something even if it is food .but human love humans. Animals are different and Limited
Angel another way to understand is at 18 And Jehovah God went on to say: “It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.” Adam was by himself along time before Eve was made.
Yes, GOD is "love," but man became "sin" (no more "love") when disobeyed! No more in "His image!" Why He had to come (I Tim 3:16) to give us way back to Him! We don't all "love" as GOD intended! "Carnal vs Spiritual" LOVE is BIG difference!
K&T: You're an "Unbeliever" & the "devil's advocate!" U have been "rooted & grounded" in your "twisted" doctrine which is AGAINST GOD'S WORD! U need to "STUDY" for yourself (II Tim 2:15) rather than listen to "man made" doctrine!
Every civilization has a creation myth, and the Jewish one is very similar to some others in that a first man and first woman give rise to the whole human race. Of course, stories grow in the telling - they begin orally and only get written down at a very late stage - and the end result is unlikely to make perfect sense. There are, for example, two very different Adam and Eve stories presented in the early chapters of Genesis.
The important thing is to understand the message of the myth and not take it literally.
K&T: John said "...a creation myth, and the Jewish one is very similar to some others in that a first man and first woman give rise to the whole human race." U call the WORD OF GOD "a myth?" I rest my case! "Devil's advocate!"
Norine, what is with all the name calling just because someone believes differently than you? Christ didn't go around telling everyone they were devil worshipers just because they were mixed up with some of their beliefs.
Matt: I'm glad u recognize their belief is "twisted!" Read Matt Chapter 23 ("Scribes/Pharisees/Hypocrites"), Gal 3:1 ("Fools"); I Thess 4:15("Ignorant") + when "twisted!" RELIGION has taught "love" but TRUE LOVE (GOD) is TRUTH (WORD)! Heb 4:12!
Norine it is just the attitude that you show John has the world wondering what is different between Christians and the world! By which measure yea judge so shall you be judged.A terrible thing to be fall under the Judgement of a Righteous God!
The fragility of a man is a result of his guilty conscience. Words that don't describe you shouldn't bother you. I understand that Norine Williams can be sometimes forthright, but some words only hurt because it's the truth.
John you are correct that every civilization has a creation story. But the wisdom is of understanding is just like a person says a fire happened in their own words .and another says it happen in another language in their own words .A fire happened.
"John you are correct that every civilization has a creation story." How many "civilizations" did GOD initially create which is re: Q? We differ so much in thinking! U thk diff cultures, I thnk GOD'S initial creations (Adam/Eve)! Why? GOD vs man?
Now, this certainly is a troubling question and I don't believe the answer was clearly given. I do, though think that there were angels around, who were charmed by the beauty of human women. So, there is that.
Gen 6:1-4 speaking of "sons of God" (righteous humans) "took wives of ALL (unrighteous women) which they chose." (v4) "when the sons of GOD came in unto the daughters of men.." And created "unrighteousness" (v5) "And GOD saw that the wickedness..
K&T: Do u see where Seth was begotten AFTER Cain "knew his wife" & went to NOD? Gen 4:16 "And Cain went out..& dwelt in the land of Nod..." V17 "And Cain knew his wife..." V25 "And Adam knew his wife AGAIN; & she bare a son, &
The modern day man-made false doctrines and its many religious leaders of the world have all become completely blinded themselves. Many people will sit around to watch the many greedy and get rich television preachers such as the false teacher Joel Osteen. Mr. Osteen's many little blind followers will swallow up everything the greedy man says hook, line, and sinker. its much like a cotton candy and lollipop church circus to make one feel good. People fail miserably at ever doing any of there own independent research to verify what the preacherman is saying to be actual, factual, or truth. Often times after researching a sermon one will find that the preacherman has taken the words of the book out of context, shortned the words, or even added to. The truth is Adam and Eve were flooded out in the flood and everybody else died too. The only people who survived the flood were Noah, his wife, there three sons, there three sons wives, and all the animals upon the ark that Noah built. After the flood waters were gone and the flood ended. Noah and his family began procreating from that point forward.
Taking I literal Biblical account, which I take, we learn in Genesis 5:4 that Adam and Eve had sons and daughters. Up until chapter 5 it only names 3 sons but we have no idea just how many sons and daughters they had in total but in all likelihood a lot. They were commanded to be fruitful and multiply and there was not a whole lot of activities to do at that time but work and have sex (no tv to watch lol). It is not until the law of Moses that people are directly commanded to not have sex with siblings. It is gross for us to imagine because it is so foreign to us but scientifically speaking and taking the biblical account into perspective Adam and Eve would of been created genetically perfect. They were created directly by God in perfection. After the fall and creation becoming contaminated by sin it would take generations for the gene pool to become more and more contaminated until it was absolutely forbidden for siblings to sleep together.
Tisha Harris, now hold up a second here... You are grossly misinformed! Adam & Eve are not 2 people. Just to make things simple, the Bible writers made them two people. It was really thousands of people. God did not just create two. Think about i
Good question! In Genesis 5:4, the bible says "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters." In the context of this scripture we can see that 'Cain' and 'Abel' were not the only children Adam and Eve gave birth to. According the tradition from the beginning of time, people marry their relatives and this was because of the Sin Adam and Eve had committed in the garden of Eden. As time went on, people stopped marrying their siblings/relatives, which is exactly what the bible preaches. So Cain's wife is literally his sister, who is one of Adam's daughters. In case you missed it, read Genesis 5:4 again ""After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."
Lawal READ Gen 4:16 &17 "Cain left for NOD & immediately (V17) "knew his wife!" Therefore, wife ALREADY in NOD! Seth wasn't begotten until AFTER Cain left for NOD & "knew his wife!" We have WRITTEN WORD & Holy Spirit to determine!
Simple, the Bible says in Gen. 5:4 that "he begat sons and daughters:" meaning that those weren't his only children. In fact, after Cain killed Abel it says that they begat another son and called his name Seth. Apparently they intermarried.
How do you explain Cain LEFT (Gen 4:16) & "dwelt in the land of Nod" (v17) "And knew his wife?" So he went back to get wife & THEN "knew her?" Get Real! Then "built a city" (v17) where he "went back?" Y'all don't care what's in WORD! STUCK
To clarify, Gen4:10-17 is clear Cain was approached by God&cursed&marked,told the ground would no longer yield its produce to him, he was to wander all his days, he begged mercy&was allowed to take a sister as wife&live in land east o
Thanks for clarification! Your comment aligns more with WORD than any other! Although not in Scripture (Cain took a sister as a wife), it coincides with Adam & Eve being first and only male & female creations! Thank JESUS for you!
Well, according to the Islamic beliefs. Adam and Eve were both alone in this earth, then they started having children, Eve had twins in each pregnancy - a boy and a girl - the next pregnancy were twins too and so on. After the children grew up each boy married a girl but not his twin sister but the sister from other twins. That happened because of the need of special provisions according to the case. Such marriage was forbidden later by prophets because the amount of population was increasing and people do not need that kind of marriages anymore.
Now where is that in Bible? "Islamic beliefs" came AFTER Bible & "ADDED" and/or "TOOK AWAY" fm HIS WORD (Rev 22:18-19)! Who do u believe, the creation or the CREATOR? If Islam, provide a book w/as many accurate "fulfilled" prophecies written BE
If "your religion" defies the ORIGINAL Scriptures, then you need to take a 2nd look, especially if it goes against "org" WORD & was created by "man!" II Kgs 17:29;31-42! What book has as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible?
Now you are getting a little warmer, but not quite. Back then the minds of the asses were simple, so the writers of the Church texts/Bibles simplified it so the rabble could get it like children. Adam & Eve were not 2 people! It was thousands!
Interesting question which is generally not thought off. Obviously, one can say that the only source of procreation must have been Eve. But again it's too simplistic an answer, and the real answer may not be there as the entire story is a myth without foundation.
Thank You Hanavee. Your answer rings true. As a Christian. I never believed that incest was OK'd. If Those so called Christian read on. Doesn't it say something about 'people who 'went with' angels produced giant offspring? Until God said enough of this and separated the two 'realms'. Surely that's enough evidence that others existed. It's now stupid to believe in one of each sex. Though How much easier was it to avoid with the 2by2 in Noahs time. Or is Noah actually not a man but a tribe or something all told to build an arc each?? Please give if there is a translation. DL / Days...
The Holy Spirit sent "Inquiring Minds" to HP to clarify! Read his comment under Bert D! SEE? I told ALL the Holy Spirit will "lead & guide us into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26;16:13) even when IT comes through "man!" Thank you Jesus!
I didn't see how Cain "knew his wife" if not already in NOD but Gen 5:4 says Adam & Eve had girls too so it's apparent Cain took a sister (wife) w/him! Further evidence, "Noah" offspring of Cain who murdered Abel (Gen 5:29)!
There are family trees/diagrams online that show sisters and brothers getting married. Laban and Rachel were brother and sister. Jacob (Rachel and Isaac's son) married both of Laban's daughters (Leah and Rachel) Leviticus 13 is when prohibition st
People in the Bible are not what you and I call people. Instead they were God's people and the others didn't matter. The purpose of the story is to show the start of God's People not all of us. That's why when gen. 2 24 says "a man leaves his mother and cleaves to his wife" well just who is this referring too since this is only gen 2. 24 right???? Obviously a major flaw in the genesis story of the 7 day beginning am I right or what? Of course I am..
And yes. Or what? Prophecy being the prediction of the future when it comes true. And these people earned the right to be called God's people because they have done a significant amount of work for all mankind (includes women as 'kind of like...)
Leap: "Prophecy"=of things to come to "man's knowledge" BUT GOD "already KNOWS" & IF we "look" in Scripture IT'S already there! II Peter 1:3 says "...EVERYTHING pertaining to "LIFE & GODLINESS" is in the WORD of GOD! MM: WORD says "no JESU
HA! I have been asking this question since I first heard this story at age 2!
Here's one possible answer ~ The Gap Theory(?) The Bible does not talk about Cave Men, and yet we have fossils and proof that they existed. The Gap Theory concludes that Adam and Eve's offspring procreated with the cavewomen that are probably talked about in some lost book or book that was not included in the bible: http://www.gotquestions.org/gap-theory.html
The problem is people mix cave man with stages of the Ape. No the bible is very clear Adam and Eve had a Job they were to name every animal God created as they appeared to Adam. They lived in paradise garden all was provided.
Rob: Jn 21:25 "there are also MANY other thgs which Jesus did..the world couldn't contain in books.." BUT Holy Spirit (beyond u?) "leads & guides into "ALL" truth" (Jn 14:26;16:13)! Why ALL need HIS "HELP!"
Are u not body, soul & "spirit?" Were u not "created" fm THE SPIRIT (GOD) & will return? If you don't "believe" this, u should provide "the book?" If u do "believe" this, you need to "STUDY" HIS WORD "in Spirit" to relate to "HIM!" Otherwis
Exactly... and study should be done in the sharpest way possible, while abandoning everything at the doorway of meditation. Doctrinal religion... is like a strange shadow of the past that still haunts our societies.
The bible we have is only part of the books that recorded history. I feel that one owes it to him self, or herself to read the lost books of the bible and the forgotten books of eden. If I may humbly remark and then ask the question, why do people hide from history? when the words of the bible written, saying don't ADD TO OR TAKE AWAY FROM THIS BOOK, actually more volumes existed than we have in our common bible today. so those who closet themselves to the narrowed down version, limit themselves from knowing many events, history, and much more. the lost books record fairly accurately adam and eves life and journeys outside the garden.. how they learned to live, other family members, etc.. why would you accept traditional and denominational fears or taboos against the rest of the writings? my heart races with excitement when I read about things such as how adam learned to survive in caves and how to use and control fire, spears, and to protect themselves from animals and their diet and their spiritual journey, yes they had a type of walk/ journey that they lived and it is recorded well enough in the lost books and forgotten books. they are just as valid as the bible we have, but not cannonized or accepted in many churches... I wonder what GOd will say to us one day.. you had much more you could have read about my world, my people.. ... people are scaredy cats sometimes and very controlled by organized religion, because it in itself has been ravaged and torn and restructured to fit each successive civilizations preferences..
You express some very good points. And thank you I appreciate your good manor of expression. I really think through it all the bible has not lost its treasure no matter how people have tampered. Like a gold bar if scratch it is still gold.
TRUE! But I BELIEVE "WORD!" Listen, to Jn 21:25! We know ALL not there BUT WE (TRUE Christians) BELIEVE Jn 14:26; 16:13 "will lead & guide into "ALL" truth!" Don't u hear? "ALL Truth?" Either one BELIEVES "ALL" of HIS WORD or NOT CHRISTIAN!
Such questions and debates as this one will persist as long as God's ways are not man's ways. That mankind developed from the dust of the earth, and that when humans were developed into the image of God and at that point were given spirit (as in Michelangelo's famous painting) I accept as both evolved and "created." That there was an original human father who had children with a human mother, seems obvious. That they had children of both sexes by God's design seems equally obvious. That some children of one sex procreated with some children of the opposite sex is obviously the way all children are created. The debates over Creation vs. Evolution, and which sons with which daughters can go on and on. You only need to resolve those questions for yourself and keep or share your answers as you please. I am satisfied with the answers I have arrived at for me..
it has been shown from research into Genetics that every man and every woman on the Planet descend from one male and one female. National Geographic have a couple of excellent YouTube videos on the subject although they originally dated them at 200,000 years ago and 60,000 years ago respectively. Recent Research has suggested that they both lived around 20,000 years ago and were contemporary with each other (original research said maybe they weren't). So science no longer questions the idea of an "Adam and Eve" but does still ask the question of where they came from and how, were they 'original creations?' like the Bible says (it got the fact that there was an original couple right!) or did they 'evolve' from an earlier as yet undiscovered species? The big problem with evolution is that for one species to 'evolve' from another is that it would require adding to the information in the genetic blueprint of each 'original' species. That requires an outside source for it to happen (the information has to come from somewhere and can't happen 'by chance!') and the real argument is where the source of the information is! Back to the original question, if you allow for creation then you can also show that mankind was created without blemishes in the gene pool hence there would not be any genetic imperfections in the first Humans and there would be none of the later issues that have arisen from 'genetic inbreeding' as the principle of 'atropy' had not yet taken effect hence Adam and Eve's sons and daughters mating with each other while it might sound strange or 'wrong' to us it actually had no harmful effects on the Human gene pool (unlike wht it would do today). Even if you accept the evolution model you still have the fact that we are all descended from the same couple hence their sons and daughters must have mated with each other no matter which way you look at the issue, that's what both science and the Bible logically say! I do have a couple of hubs that deal with the issue of evolution or creation if you want to have a look further. Lawrence
But it does NOT require an "outside" source - at least not a God, if that is what you mean. Genetic variation can happen for a variety of reasons but in nature the primary cause is "chance". Remember, the concept of "species" is a man-made concept.
PDX no God did not have to take ribs from every man. Which you have just uavailed a wonderful truth. Why would God need a rib from any others born from them .Adam was not made to birth but Eve was. After Cain and Abel born. Only two needed to create
In light of the scientific proof that the Biblical "story" of creation is so unbelievable and creates so many unanswerable questions, like this one, frequently arise. Then dozens of well meaning people provide what they feel are are "true answers" and the confusion continues because we are all descendants of microbes or whatever and Adam and Eve are fables of numerous religions and these "Belivers" spend their time disagreeing with each other. As a former United Methodist I consider myself a "Pan-Millenialist". IT WILL ALL PAN OUT IN THE END!
Now this is the REAL story of Adam & Eve. There really WAS NOT an Adam and Eve. About 300 years after Jesus died and rose, people started to lose him and were not able to reach him, so it got around that if they took a special "herb drug" they would connect, so in the secret meetings they had back then the drug was free flowing. The Roman Empire found out and just like here, they banned it regionally. So how to get this drug to the people???? OH, make up a story about Adam and Eve and only those who were in the know and those in the meetings knew that the secret drug would now be hidden in apples, which were always being sent back and forth from county to county back then. So when a couple thousand apples were sent to territories, the drug was hidden in them, thus the story of Adam & Eve. Simple. It was a code story to tell them where the drug was. The Romans who stopped the apple sellers were not cued in, and so they got away with it, and thousands of years went by and the story got in as a Bible story. That's the truth.
Lawence thats interesting because after they ate from the tree it said they covered themselfs in fig leaves Gen 3:7. we are to be christ like if we are christs followers can you hear Jesus calling people fools,ignort, drug users No! Its not loving
Again, my idea that the story of Adam & Eve is because of the disconnection that the Roman Catholic Church caused by shunning the rabble they saw as heathens. Sad, but the drug was needed, so they used an apple, or whatever it was, apple, orang
Law: Who cares "Western idea?" Not WORD! Rude when NOT WORD? Lev 19:17="REBUKE!" K&T trying to "ADD" when IT says "tree of knowledge!" K: ANYTIME Word in WORD "Fool, Ignorant, hypocrite, demon" IF "following Christ," we use! Eyes open to sin/dis
Those who love christs follow his words that say. Eph 4:29 Let a rotten saying not proceed out of YOUR mouth, but whatever saying is good for building up as the need may be, that it may impart what is favorable to the hearers. Yours not favorabl
"Not favorable" to whom? You? You call GOD'S WORD "ROTTEN?" I give WORD which includes "IGNORANT" "FOOL" "HYPOCRITE" "BACKBITTERS" Anything sound familiar or have you not READ WORD? Satan, I "REBUKE" (Lev 19:17) you in the NAME OF JESUS (Zech 3:2)!
Norine Williams I know my scripture and doctrines. The Bible and other church doctrines are written "VEILED" or "CLOAKED" for naysayers like you. People needed that drug, it came inside an apple. It was rewritten as Adam & Eve like a cryptic mess
Well, then you know we are to live AFTER THE CROSS, observing the apostles, baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ, doing as Paul said for Salvation? If you do, you are one of few on HP! Otherwise, you don't!
It's was Peyote secured from John The Baptist's people. When the Bible was being put together, ithe cactus herb was changed into an apple. This is in THEORY ONLY!. I've tried & experienced it Peyote good results.
The most logical answer is that Adam and Eve were NOT the first two humans. Since man evolved from other animals there was already a large population when our ancestors reached a level of biological complexity we now call the species Homo sapiens (modern man). Sorry, but the Bible (as commonly translated) is pure mythology.
Jn 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
Long after Adam and Eve, we read that siblings and other near kin did marry each other until God forbade it. Abraham married his half sister, Sarah. Isaac married his cousin Rebecca. If Abraham married his sister, it should not be surprising that Adam and Eve's children probably married each other. We human beings often think that God is governed by laws. A thingis wrong or right because He says so. God can make anything possible. He created genes and DNA. If he says siblings can marry and procreate in one age, they can. If he says they can't in another age, they shouldn't. If they do, they reap consequences like the royal Hapsburg family who ruined their offspring by constant inbreeding. The bible may seem like a myth to some, but those prophecies in it have almost all come to pass! Choose your following; that's your right. I choose the Almighty Creator. That's my right. Good choices and peace to all.
....It goes without saying that it is a miracle that god creates..researches can proove nothing concerning such topics..Only God knows the reasons behind such a miracle ..Adam is the first person on Earth then Eve was created...Quran can explain all these things ..
...This is the reallity... We have to be more educated and never comment on others' words by " 0 " . It is what I believe in ..You are free believe in whatever you feel right , I dont care..But we HAVE TO try to learn HOW to respect others.
I assume that you assume that sibling marriage or intercourse was prohibited at this time but if so, then your assumption is wrong. Sibling sexual unions became prohibited after man sinned against God and began to slowly die (genetic mutations and degeneration)
Also, after the fall at this time, descent was recorded according to the male lineage, so the daughters of Adam and Eve and many other important figures in the Torah and Holy Bible were omitted. It did not mean that they did not exist.
I hope you asked the question above for the right reasons, and that I did answer your question.
I'm not 100% on my history but I remember hearing something that Adam had a wife before Eve named Lillith. And she was sort of a demon and got saw she was bad a banished her from thr garden. Perhaps she is how Cain and Able reproduced. The woman lillith is where thr word lullaby came from ,but the stories weren't aboud rock a bye baby. Threy were horry stories to scar children into going to bed of following direction. It surely be har to believe that Adam,Eve,Cain and Able were incest. But like you said the bible don't mention how the world populated
Miss Knowledge, this is a question I have asked a long time ago, about the same time I questioned God's son saw human's daughter as beautiful(Gen6). I asked people and surfed the internet for answers. I found those answers and the answers are many and differ from one another.
But regarding your question; based on the Bible, i believe that Cain's wife is one of his sister. Remember that this is the beginning of human creation. When Eve gave birth to Cain, she said, "I have bring forth man". I think that other children were born and they were female and it was not mentioned in the bible before Cain. And yet again, other children male and female were born within Adam's lifetime. One of his daughter must be Cain's wife=his sister. Remember Lot? when there was no men for his daughter to procreate and continue the family line; his daughters slept with him. This is only my speculation. Here in Hubpages, there are many who are well versed in the Bible and theology and might have 'The Right Answer' that both of us might benefit by.
Gen 5:4-5 Adam and Eve had more then just Cain and Abel. They lived to the precise age 930 years and when he was eight hundred years he fathered sons and Daughters .So no body had to sleep with sister and brothers. Cousins ,
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