Christians and the Turkey Isn’t it just another Idol...

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   Sundaymomentsposted 13 years ago

   You know I hear these hard care Christians who say you are not suppose to have an idol before God (In which I agree with) but isn’t by making a b9ig deal out of Thanks Giving having an idol? What Christian biblical significance is this holiday (I.e. Christmas=Christ Birthday, Easter=Christ Resurrection). If this is not a Christian holiday are we not on a fine line of putting another before God?

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      KristenGraceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm a Christian, but I don't "idolize" turkeys - Just eat them

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         Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         and they sure are good arent they! : )

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      kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      So Christians should only celebrate holidays relating directly to Christianity now?
      
      Thanksgiving is like the Fourth of July. It celebrates our national heritage as Americans. It has nothing to do with idolatry.

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         KristenGraceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yup yup - Well said.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Best Christian thread ever???????????
      
      I think so..........................

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      couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sunday - you're way off base.  Thanksgiving is not inherently a Christian holiday.  It is an American holiday.  There is nothing sacriligious about giving thanks.

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         Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         It's a Canadian holiday.. we celebrate it a full month earlier than the folks down south
         
         

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            Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            In the UK we don't celebrate this at all....so I guess we are just plain ungrateful..

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         Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         couturepopcafe, I agree.

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         Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         After reading this thread I too agree

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      ShadowKing!posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      To SundayMoments:
      
      One can celebrate Thanksgiving and not be committing an act of idolatry (according to the definitions of idolatry in the Bible). But the point were some people get wrong is when they say and believe it is an event created to WORSHIP  God and thus we do. Wrong.
      
      Like CouturePopCafe wrote: it's an American holiday, not a religious one.
      Thanksgiving should be observed (by those who chose to) for exactly what it was originally intended:
          to give THANKS to God and man for helping us OVERCOME a hardship.
      
      Any other additions will likely steer one off into vanity, blasphemy, or, yes-idolatry.

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   manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

   Whatever Sundaymoments....HHHHMMMM...I think I spotted a real Turkey!

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      Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Did you? Or are just harassing on Hub Pages (Please remember manypoetryman there are rules on HP)
      
      •Making Personal Attacks: debate and disagreements on points of substance are all right, but personal attacks, petty bickering, and thread hijacking will be dealt with swiftly.

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         manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Leave it to you to point out legalisms...which is in itself very ironic. Quit hiding behind legalisms. God sees you where you are at! Hub pages doesn't need to referee answers to comments that you openly ask a reply back on. Answers can be interpreted in a variety of ways, my friend. Unless one knows all the facts behind the answers.

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            Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yep u said one thing that is factual "All the facts" not just part of the facts!

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               manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               EEEEWWW...You're so gosh-darn smart...I just don't know how to form a rebuttal against thee!

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      Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Did you spot a real turkey? Or are just harassing on Hub Pages (Please remember manypoetryman there are rules on HP)
      
      •Making Personal Attacks: debate and disagreements on points of substance are all right, but personal attacks, petty bickering, and thread hijacking will be dealt with swiftly.

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         china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Rules are for the guidance of wise men and mindless adherence by turkeys.

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            Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks china man you words are writen with much wisdom

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   It has always been a custom that after a hard summers end and the harvest has been collected and stored that the family and friends gathered together possibly the last time before the cold hard winter set in. 
      They probably compared who's' potato crop, corn, beans etc  was abundant and who's was lacking; and necessary adjustments were made to ensure everyone's survival.
   
      Though we are not all farmers, it seems like a worthy tradition to remember and carry on.
      It isn't based upon idolatry, but loving and sharing.
      
      Any excuse for family and friends to gather together and be thankful for eachother is a good thing.

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      china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yep it certainly is based on kristian loving and sharing.
      
      I understand that it was adopted from the native Indians who helped the first settlers through the first winter, feeding them and teaching them how to farm etc.  It was thanksgiving for surviving and it was the very native Indians who kept them alive that those same kristian settlers later slaughtered.
      
      I guess it is a kristian tradition then.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         YEP   we can say adopted or we could say stolen.
         
            I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't somewhat followed all over every region and for 1000s of years.
            But now it is OURS.  LOL

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            couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think it was.  It was an initial shared meal between the two cultures showing mutual respect and thanks for the protection they provided for each other against more aggressive tribes in the region.  They had come to trust and rely on each other for this.  Many people groups gave thanks to their creator over meals.  To say this was stolen from indigenous people is incorrect.

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               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I was only saying that for people to gather together after the laborious task of harvesting their crops to celebrate their success probably goes back long before any records of such events.
               
                  It wasn't stolen from anyone.  But to claim the origin of this tradition could very well be incorrect.
               
                 I gotta get off of here for a while, go check out a job ?

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      Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      But one thing is for sure I  bet  many of us can say is we all get full after a festive dinner with the family

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   Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

   Turkeys are known pagans.
   
   By riding them from the earth through the digestive process, we are doing a good deed.
   
   I myself estimate that I have purified our planet by consuming 100 to 200 whole turkeys throughout my life.
   
   Don't even get me started on satanic gravy and other heretical side dishes

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Heathen!

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         Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         one man's heathen is another metabolic saint

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            Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Or Sunday lunch.

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      Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      LOL

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   Onusonusposted 13 years ago

   All bow to it's majesty!!
   

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   couturepopcafeposted 13 years ago

   Sometimes I think the world is full of idiots.

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   Woman Of Courageposted 13 years ago

   God is first in my life. I don't idolize a turkey.

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      Sundaymomentsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Woman Of Courage you are so right God First always

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         Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I don't idolize a turkey too.

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      china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I guess that is what the turkeys say to each other about the butcher !

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         Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I love what the turkey dose for me, I do not love the turkey. Trying to do away from meat all together and don't worship the butcher.
         
         That way, I can love the turkey more, maybe later love the chicken. I don't know about the cries of the screaming lettuce.

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   Deborah Demanderposted 13 years ago

   If we were worshipping and idolizing turkeys, would we eat them? I think we would revere them and take care of them.
   
   It's true, gathering together at the end of summer, to celebrate a successful harvest, is a human response to survival. Nothing to do with christianity really. We should all be thankful everyday, regardless of race, religion or creed.
   Namaste.

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      china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely,  it was a custom that the settlers adopted from the native indians who kept the settlers alive through that first winter.  Who knows how far back it went in their culture before it was destroyed ?

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