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The Phelps idiots are at it again

  1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    They plan to picket Elizabeth Edward's funeral.

    http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/ar … neral.html


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    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They are Christians!  God talks to them and makes his wishes known.  Ask any Christian, they will tell you this!

      1. stilljustwonderin profile image59
        stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        They are not Christians.  That isn't God speaking to them. They are a shame, an embarrassment to the human race 

        I can claim to be a tree.  That doesn't make me one.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry!  They claim they are Christians, just like many other delusional folks.  I cannot tell the difference, is there a test or something?  Or do you think god talks to you too?

          1. stilljustwonderin profile image59
            stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            A person can claim to be anything.  That doesn't make it so.  A true Christian is some one who tries to follow the teachings of Jesus.  These people are not doing that.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You avoided my last question!  Oversight?

              1. stilljustwonderin profile image59
                stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I know that as I would pray for my husband to be saved I would hear a voice say that I wouldn't have him long after he is saved.  My husband was saved in March 1998.  He past away in June 1998.
                Yes, I believe the Lord spoke to me.
                The Lord is not speaking to the people of Westboro Baptist Church.  They are not acting within the teachings of Jesus.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So, both you and the Phelps are hearing voices.  But you don't believe them!  HAHAHA!  The pot, calling the kettle......!  You ARE indeed a christian, judging everyone else but not yourself!  What else is new.

                  1. stilljustwonderin profile image59
                    stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I know what they are doing is not how Jesus taught.  No one I know would ever stand there and protest with them.  Excuse us for having our own opinion.

                    I knew you only wanted to mock me.  That's ok.  What ever makes you feel better.

            2. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              They call themselves Christians, they attend a Christian church, and they do what they do BECAUSE they are Christians.

              Christians like to excuse the behavior of their fellow Christians by saying they are not "true Christians."

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I almost said that myself, PP!  I've heard that said by "true christians" so many times I could almost blow grits!

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                  C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Would you guys make the same assertions regarding other religions? Such as Muslim for instance? I'm guessing not.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Actually, yes. 

                    I don't condemn all Christians for the acts of a few any more than I would condemn all Muslims. 

                    But I also would never say they are not "true Muslims."  Extremist Muslims, yes, just like the Phelps cult are extremist Christians.

                  2. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I certainly would, CJ!  Religions were created to control people.  And as you can see, it works!  Superstitions are alive and well in this world.

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                C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Go to their site, read what they have to say. You will be hard pressed to find your run of the mill christian acknowlege any of these peoples outrageous beliefs.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  What is a "run of the mill" Christian?  Someone like Jimmy Swaggart who said "If I do not return to the pulpit this weekend, millions of people will go to hell"?

                  Or is it someone like Ted Haggard who said “all of us have a responsibility to advance God's will through government.”

                  Or is it someone like my former neighbor?  He attends church three times a week and thinks homosexuals don't deserve to live.

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                    C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Funny. Don't expect me to defend any of those people. Least of all Swaggart. If I NEVER darken the door of a church again it will be because of him. I grew up there. I know all too well about "Selling Jesus". Christianity is about Christian Principles. Not some televangelist begging for money. Nor is passing judgement on an entire nation because of the percieved sins of a few.

                    Basic Principles. Ten Commandments. The Beattitudes. Simple stuff. The rest of the crap, they can have it.

              3. stilljustwonderin profile image59
                stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                They are not following the teachings of Christ.

                They believe in Jesus?  Well, so does lucifer.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  They believe they are following the teachings of Christ, as do all Christians.  Of course, who is to say which is the "correct" interpretation of those teachings?  You, I take it?

                  1. stilljustwonderin profile image59
                    stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Jesus taught love and forgiveness.  Jesus taught to not think of ourselves as better than another.  Jesus taught not to offend another.  No, I don't believe they are following his teachings.
                    I will stick with my interpretation.  I see them more like the Scribes and Pharasses.  The Scribes and Pharasses held to the letter of the law and didn't look into mans heart.  That is what Jesus had against them.  These people may have good hearts, I don't know.  But if they do, how can they be so cruel to another?

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        C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If they are Christians, they are sinless. You know the bible says "he without sin, cast the first stone". Well they threw rocks at me during a Soldiers funeral a couple of years ago.

        Seriously. These people are a crazy. I know your no friend of religion. I'm guessing your characterization was meant to be funny.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, delusion is delusion.  The depths of delusion?  Well, that's something else.

      3. Paul Wingert profile image78
        Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        They are not Christians, they are complete a**holes!

      4. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Randy, Is it that hard to have empathy for the battle this woman endured for 6 years? Maybe a tiny bit of compassion that her children may see such a protest at their Mothers funeral?
        It is sick that even you are making this a religious debate for insults. Ugh.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have complete empathy for her and her family, H.A.!  But none whatsoever for those who judge others using the Bible as a shield to excuse their behavior.  And this includes those who are so quick to point fingers at others because they do not share their delusions.

          What you consider an insult is my idea of truth.  What you consider truth is my idea of an insult.  Until those of you can make yourself understand this, we shall trade insults. 

          I do indeed loathe those who would dare to disturb the funeral of Mrs. Edwards.  But their righteousness is not so far removed from many christian institutions in this country.  They are merely the worst examples.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      These folks are really scary. I can't believe that Child Services doesn't go after the parents involved with this organization. They routinely bring their children to their little hate festivals.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        To church?  Or were you referring to the funerals they crash?

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          C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Good point! I meant the funerals they crash.

    3. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting. The comments on the leaflet are no different from many of the comments I've read here from Christians who feel and believe the same things about homosexuality. The only difference is that the Westboro folks act on these beliefs.

      And, while there are Christians here who wouldn't go to the lengths of picketing a funeral to have their voices heard, they certainly do share the same views on homosexuality and are calling the kettle black as far as their beliefs are concerned.

      smile

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You're wrong about that, Beelzedad.
        Christians do not share the same views on homosexuality as the Westboro Church members.  Because Christians know that God does NOT hate homosexuals.  He only hates the perverse acts they commit and glorify; and He will not condone the gay agenda, but forgiveness is open for all who will repent.

        The Westboro Church has twisted the Bible's intent and words to suit their agenda, whatever that is.

        Their actions are just as abhorrent as are the actions of those gays who invaded and desecrated a Church by going in and insulting the congregation and throwing fliers around and hollering God loves gays too.  Both groups are wrong, and both groups do a disservice to Christians and sinners alike,  and honestly, BOTH groups should be jailed not only for harrassment but for forcing blasphemy upon the public.

        1. livelonger profile image89
          livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Westboro Baptist Church is only slightly to the right of "mainstream" Baptist churches.

          They would probably be in the Baptists' good graces if it were not for 2 reasons:
          1. they protest military funerals
          2. they say that allowing divorce is one of America's sins that God hates (Baptists like to ignore that part of what Jesus said...five times)

          In fact, when they limited their protests to gay people's funerals (like Matthew Shepard's), evangelicals didn't really make a peep.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            livelonger, you have a habit of assuming things.

            Like, you might even delve into the real story of Matthew Shepard to begin with, and you would see that that events and reasons behind that have been twisted big-time and used as a tool for the homosexual agenda.   
            I could take an event where gays murdered a straight man and, if I wanted to, make a campaign to end up where all gays are labeled and persecuted as murderous heterophobes.   But then, that would make me a manipulating deceitful uncivil rights activist.

            1. livelonger profile image89
              livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And you have a habit of twisting words.

              When did anyone say that straight people are all a bunch of murderous homophobes? It is clear public opinion, and the jury, agreed Shepard's murderers were homophobes. I wonder what would make you feel so defensive as to think condemning those murderers as motivated by bigotry was some sort of blanket condemnation of heterosexuality?

              Back to my original point (which you conveniently ignored), the WBC wasn't opposed by evangelical groups when it was picketing the funerals of gay people. Only when it condemned the tolerance of divorce along with homosexuality, and when it picketed military funerals, did other Baptists object.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Oh, you expect Baptists to defend homosexual activists against the wicked Westboro Church?!

                Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are! LOL

                (But indeed I DID just make a defense in my post above.  And that's as good as it gets as long as homosexuals are blatantly spouting blasphemies against the Christian God.)

                ...Umm...maybe, just maybe, Evangelicals and Baptists and other Christians would defend the ones who are actually oppressed (or depressed) if it weren't for those activists who invade churches and our streets shouting blasphemies and forcing repeals of good laws like Prop 8 and attacking Christians both in word and deed.

                As it stands now, we can hardly tell the difference between gay activists and those people who actually admit they have a problem they'd like mercy and help for.   Those people are being given a bad name because of the activists.  Not everyone who has homosexual temptations is trying to shove the agenda down our throats, livelonger.  Those people are being shunned or ignored by gay activists because they don't fit into their plans.  If I were one of those, I'd be scared as heck to even seek help for my problem. 

                For the "gay" person who's honestly trying to fight his/her temptations and wants to be treated with mercy and acceptance and tenderness, my heart/mind is open, as are most Christian church doors!   But neither those nor the pulpits are open (nor should be open) to the nonsensical idea of homosexuality being sanctioned by God.

                And that is the bottom line----they have a problem, and admitting it is the first step to rising above the temptation.  Your gay agenda skips that step and turns it all into a fake civil rights agenda that no one seems to have the guts to expose and put a stop to.

                1. livelonger profile image89
                  livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The people who attended Matthew Shepard's funeral were his father, his mother, his friends, and other people who didn't think you should be murdered for being gay. Is this your definition of the term "homosexual activists"?

                  That's a really sad statement. It also suggests the only people who aren't "homosexual activists" are stuck in the Stone Age.

                  Brenda, do you agree that, according to the Christian Bible:
                  - divorce is just as much a sin as homosexuality?
                  - homosexuality was not mentioned once by Jesus Christ?
                  - divorce was condemned by Jesus Christ five times?
                  - living in a second marriage is unrepentant sin, much like continuing to "lie with a man as you would a woman"?
                  - the United States tolerates divorce even more than it tolerates homosexuality?
                  - that divorcees castigating homosexuality would constitute hypocrisy?
                  - that trying to demonize one particular sin while sanctioning others you'd like to partake in would constitute hypocrisy?
                  - hypocrisy was hated by Jesus Christ?

                  Interesting that you are constantly trying to change the subject from sins you might be guilty of into those sins you couldn't be guilty of.

                  If you're unable to fool anyone in this forum, what makes you think you're fooling God?

                2. Jeff Berndt profile image88
                  Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  "Oh, you expect Baptists to defend homosexual activists against the wicked Westboro Church?!"

                  Well, I don't see it as unreasonable to expect good Christians to speak out against a bunch of bullies using Jesus' name as an excuse to act like a bunch of jerks. Many Christians have done so here.

                  And then there are those who seem to think that the main message in the entire bible is this: Don't be gay, and do you best to make life miserable for people who are!

                  These folks seem to be giving the Westboro "Baptist" Church a pass.

                  And finally, the only "gay agenda" is this: gays should be treated as everyone else is treated, and should enjoy the same rights and responsibilities as any other citizen.

                  For some reason, that's a terrifying prospect for some people. I've never really understood it, but I'm not a clinical psychologist, so psychological aberrations are outside my area of expertise.

        2. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          First, you say I'm wrong, then you make my point. Nice work, Brenda.



          Once again, well done, Brenda! Going back through your post history somewhat, I found a whole lot more just like it. smile

    4. Jeff Berndt profile image88
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Waitwait: God hates Figs? Then we have something in common. I prefer Strawberry Newtons, myself.

      1. pennyofheaven profile image80
        pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Haha...Maybe they read the text in the bible drunk and mistook Fig for Fag?

        Then again....Figs represented an abomination according to that article. Never new that one???

        Whats a strawberry newton? Is that a strawberry?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I suppose they don't have fig newtons in NZ.  I don't care for them either!

    5. Shahid Bukhari profile image60
      Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Dear Uninvited writer ... I do not have much to add, to what the Believers have already stated here ...

      I will only add that ...  "The Lord hath Sworn, by the Fig, the Olive and the Mount at Sinai ...

      Perhaps the Phelps are as much anti Islamic, as they are anti Christ.

  2. rebekahELLE profile image86
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    those people certainly scrape the bottom of human existence.

    what a terrible sight at such a brave woman's final gathering.

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    The best counter protest was when they picketed Comic-Con

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      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It was pretty cool when the HA showed up on one of the Patriot Guard escorts. They were very tame that afternoon.

  4. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    "These people are not doing that."  Isn't that being judgmental?

    Doesn't Jesus teach his followers to not do this?  Not a true christian either, I guess, because you do not follow his teachings.  Or is that just for other christians but not you? LOL!

  5. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago

    It is appalling what this "church" protests. What is it they are protesting? Cancer? That she died? They make no sense.
    I have read that the Patriot Brigade may well be there to sheild the funeral. They hold flags and rev their bikes to drownd out the "church" protest. I hope they are.
    Aren't there IRS rules that a "church" jeopardizes its status when they focus on political issues?

    1. stilljustwonderin profile image59
      stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I do wish there was something that would stop these people.  They cause so much pain for others.  I guess freedom of speech isn't always such a good thing.

      1. pennyofheaven profile image80
        pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Apparently, they enforced a law for fallen soldiers because they were protesting at their funerals too.! According to this law they cannot be within 300 meters of the funeral or they go to Jail. This law however does not protect the Gay people or anyone else they feel are not within their understanding of Gods law.

        The head of this renegade Babtist church was a lawyer apparently who got debarred for perjury. He went to Jail for assault and battery but none of those experiences seem to stop him from doing what he still does. Being an  ex lawyer I don't think any law will prevent him from doing what he does.

    2. Jeff Berndt profile image88
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "Aren't there IRS rules that a "church" jeopardizes its status when they focus on political issues?"
      Nope. Only when it endorses a particular candidate.

  6. Evan G Rogers profile image79
    Evan G Rogersposted 6 years ago

    and this is why people become atheists.

    1. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't need an excuse to become an atheist, but that a good point.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Actually people become athiest based on a personal disbelief in a diety.

  7. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago

    A brave woman lost a hard fought battle with cancer. She didn't have a charmed life yet she stood strong. Some idiots want to protest her funeral, likely will further traumatise her young children, and christian bashing is all you can come up with?
    What if it were your Mother, or your grieving children? Can't you feel empathy for more than a fleeting second? And you are so sure you are better than those who would protest? Blah.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Aren't you bashing self proclaimed christians, H.A.?  Why is it okay for you to do it?  Just because you do not agree with their beliefs?  Now you see how you appear to others, except YOUR beliefs are more sane, right?  The pot calling the kettle.....!

      What a joke!

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wouldn't agree with ANY group or individual doing something like this, be they Christian, Muslim, farmers, butchers, bakers, or candlestick makers!

        You're a farmer, RD. If this were a bunch of farmers acting so, would you think it was okay? I don't think you would. There are good and bad in every group, including Christians. For example, you're a deer hunter. I've known deer hunters who enjoyed running deer down with dogs and letting the dogs rip the deer apart. They say the deer "screams" when this happens, and the men get off on this. One victim I know of was a pregnant doe, and the so-called hunters had the unborn fawn stuffed by our taxidermist-neighbor. You'd never do something like that, but these were "real hunters," or at least, that's what they called themselves.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I've know christian hunters like that too!  Kidding of course, and no I do not equate all self proclaimed christians with the deeds of others.  But god delusion knows no bounds and can easily morph into something ugly if the followers are instigated enough.  Brainwashing has that effect on people, Re:Jim Jones and his bunch!

          Anytime people believe god runs their lives there is a chance they may go too far in carrying out the wishes of the voices in their heads.

        2. h.a.borcich profile image60
          h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you Habee for saying what I was trying to. We are all human beings and protesting a funeral is just flat out wrong.

          1. habee profile image90
            habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You're welcome!

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Every poster in this thread has clearly shown their disgust at the actions of these people and sympathy for the people involved.  However, pointing out that this disgusting group of 'protesters' are christians is perfectly legitimate expression and does no harm to the woman involved or her family, indeed it shows clear support for them.

      Deflecting the point of the thread by transparent disgust for the opponents of the theology that gives rise to these people is pathetic.

      The point is that this kind of behaviour is a logical extension of the doctrine and it reflects back on all christians.  The views of these people are the same christian views taken to extremes and it is the doctrine itself that should be examined to put this on a better course.

      1. pennyofheaven profile image80
        pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think its been examined, added to, subtracted from etc more than any other doctrine, yet still people have their own perceptions.

      2. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago in reply to this


        Talk about missing my point. Deflecting and talking dogma? Are you for flippin real??? When you drive by a terrible car accident, do you hope the people are ok for a split second before you crack jokes seeing a religious symbol on their smashed bumper? There is something wrong with people who cannot muster compassion in the face of tragedy no matter what faith or no faith period. Say what you will, I am unimpressed with the character displayed by those of no faith on this thread. Blah.

        1. Misha profile image73
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wait a minute HA. Who is going to picket the funeral, is it China man? Somehow I thought this is your fellow religionists staying at the scene of a terrible car accident and chanting that people are dying here cause they were homosexuals - using your own analogy. I frankly fail to see any compassion on your side whatsoever. And than you proceed to lecture those that point this out for you about their lack of compassion? How perverted is that? What a disgusting religion!

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I just have to chime in here.  What you said above is correct.  You shopuld read it slowly and find the tru8th in your own words above.  Every poster in this thread has clearly shown their disgust at the actions of these people and sympathy for the people involved.  It has been condemned by all.



        By your own logic, all atheists even if they outwardly condemn the actions of Polpot and the like, are just like them anyway because they call themselves atheists.



        The point is tnhat many have shown compassion but still others only try to stir things up.  What's the point in that?

  8. Eaglekiwi profile image72
    Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago

    Christians (so called) commit murder.

    Unbelievers (so called) commit murder.

    In a nutshell (pardon the pun)..

    Some people do wierd and crazy things in the name of God and in the name of a dead relative ( or some famous person) or ...or..

    Some people do great and good things and most of us have read ,or learned ,or know these people.

    Thank (God)  most of us know the latter smile

  9. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    That church is a disgrace to Christians  - or to any reasonable people - everywhere!

  10. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    RD, you think all people who follow a religion are delusional, so that means you voted for a delusional POTUS! And judging by the church he attended, it was a pretty "extreme" group.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just those who claim to hear voices in their heads!



                                     



      Sorry about the previous link!  Wrong thread!

  11. rotl profile image61
    rotlposted 6 years ago

    Disgusting... I wonder what all the free speech advocates on this forum think about this? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should... responsibility...

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      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well thats one of the arguments that have been made in these clowns defense. Cities that have had experiences with this group have passed ordinances that exclude funerals as "public" events. It's getting to the point where people are going to have to plan for this. If you are the family of a Service Member or Elected official, your going to have to press to have your services as PRIVATE. In the case of Service Members this will ultimately come at the cost of the tax payer. There are community organizations such as the Patriot Guard that will show up in mass to create a human shield between these clowns and greiving family. I've participated in quite a few. Event this group has had it's problems. However if the family request support I feel obliged to provide if I can.

      1. rotl profile image61
        rotlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This is where free speech advocates lose me. I am all about free speech, but when it clearly hurts someone, especially someone in grief, I just can't agree with that.

        A young man goes and gives his life for his country and you honor him by "protesting" his funeral and hurling slurs... man... just makes my skin crawl.

        Good on you C.J. for being part of the human shields.

  12. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    china man wrote:
    However, pointing out that this disgusting group of 'protesters' are christians is  .......???

    - - - - -

    Do they have any other distinguishing characteristics  other than calling themselves Christian ?

    Maybe they all have blue eyes in which case we have a case against ALL blue eyed individuals ?

       Maybe they are all short in stature?
       Maybe they are all the only child, having no siblings?

       I bet that they are all single adults having no close friends or family.

       There must be something else that sets them apart other than professing to be Christian

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You and others here trying to blur this issue - the point is that these people are doing what they are not because they are short or have green eyes, or have had cancer, or are atheist - THEY ARE DOING BECAUSE THEY ARE CHRISTIANS

      It is the logical extension of a faulty dogmatic ideology and all christians bear some responsibility in it.  The idea of the family of this poor woman having to tolerate a bunch of people protesting because they hear voices in their heads - and the revving motorcycles of some god-squad confronting them is beyond belief in this enlightened age.

  13. Quilligrapher profile image90
    Quilligrapherposted 6 years ago

    I have often heard Christians state that other Christians, who do not believe as they believe, are not “true” Christians.  Yet, I have never heard a Christian declare that they believe what they have chosen to believe, that others believe what they have chosen to believe, and that there is a remote possibility that either or both could be wrong.
    Every day I pray that God will save us from His many followers that are convinced that they know what He is thinking.
    Q.

    1. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It seems like "true" Christian groups turned the religion into some sort of popularity contest where you have on one side the "regular" Christians and on the other, the "it" Christians. Although this has been going on for 2000 years now, the only difference is that the two are not killing each other in droves.

      1. Paul Wingert profile image78
        Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I laugh everytime some self proclaimed prophet or "true" believer claims that god told them to do this or that or to spread a message. Wouldn't it better sense for god to tell everyone at once than to trust his divine word to some clown who'd screw it up. If someone made a claim that god spoke to them, and them only, I would recommend to this person to seek a mental evaluation because voices inside the head isn't exactly a good thing.

        1. pennyofheaven profile image80
          pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have asked this before in another thread and got no answer, perhaps you can help. What does one hear in their head when writing a post?

  14. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    So, it's okay to support the Phelps bunch  and there tactics when it's something you agree with them on? If that is the case you are also justifying them using such tactics for all funerals.

  15. lovetherain profile image59
    lovetherainposted 6 years ago

    It's truely sad that some people are this way

  16. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    Well, they did show up...3 adults and two children. A much larger group showed up to counter protest.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/1211/ … ds-funeral

    1. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's good to hear that those low lifes didn't show. They, and others like them, need to move to a country that doesn't tolerate homosexuality where they can feel at home. Of course countries not only don't tolerate gays but don't tolerate protesting either.

    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Reports like this reaffirm my faith in humanity.  There will always be a few perverted, pathetic whackos out there, but the vast majority of the human race are good people.

      Thanks for the link.

    3. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How could they subject innocent children to such hate??

      1. pennyofheaven profile image80
        pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        According to them, it is God's hate therefore they believe they are doing it for God. Now this is what I don't get? If they believe God is all powerful, why would God need a human being who is limited at their best to do it?

 
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