If there is God then who created God?

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   intellagentlemanposted 13 years ago

   The question is simple. I am trying to wrap my head around this thought. Most that I have asked about it have told me that they to were confused by this thought. but it has some validity. Its almost like the chicken or the egg theory. SO tell m your thoughts on this.

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      cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not supposed to tell this but it was Earnest,he's an undercover creator.We just refer to him as The Big Bang!If you don't believe me ask him,he should be along any minute now.

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You rang?

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            dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            lol.............

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         wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But who created Earnest?  Or was he just found poked down inside a carburetor or something?  But then who created the carburetor?  I'm so confused!

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            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            The product of a dirty catalytic converter, meeting with a faulty lean mixture control valve. Happens all the time.

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               wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Well, THAT could certainly explain a lot!  A match from the junkyard produces Earnest, who creates God who creates ??? uh...Earnest???
               
               Better get that converter cleaned, fix the valve and maybe add a little nitrous to the mix.  Get a God that makes sense out of the whole thing.

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                  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  
                  
                  That is going to be a difficult task...The people don't even know what the hell they what...How can anyone..Even a God make sense out of that kind of mess...LOL

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      Jesus-Savesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      To intellagentleman;
      Nobody created God, He is the Creator, the self-existing One. In Him is life unborrowed and underived. He is the fountain of life, and He imparts that life to His creation. He says in His word the Bible that, He has no beginning and will never have an end. He has always existed, and will always exist. This is a mystery to us finite beings, because our finite mind cannot comprehend eternity. But since God Himself is infinite in all His aspects, should we be surprised to fine that there are some things about Him we cannot comprehend? God is infinitely high to be fully fathomed by finite minds. To fully comprehend God, you have to be God.
      We love to understand everything before we can believe it. And this is our problem. We are surrounded by mysteries in nature that we are unable to explain, but instead of attributing them to an infinite God, we stubbornly resort to atheism, and evolution.
      Even angels, who have vast intellects, cannot fully comprehend God, who are we to think we can fully comprehend Him?

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      Merlin Fraserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      My greatest problem is and always has been why the answer to this question is so hard for people to understand.
      
      There is no God, there never was !  Early prehistoric Man created the Gods and the Spirits, both good and bad, in an effort to explain and understand the many things beyond their knowledge.
      
      Of course if you invent Gods then it follows you need special men to be able to speak to the Gods on behalf of the people and interpret their messages.
      
      Needless to say some of these men are going to exploit and abuse that privileged position for their own ends. 
      
      From there you get the creation of religion which is nothing more than an organised extension of that abuse by a few over the many.
      
      Power and Religion.... Religion and Power, they went hand in hand and if you look around you,  you will see they still do.
      
      What better way to impose your own will upon people than to say it's God's Will ?
      
      Promises of a reward in Heaven after you're dead....for good behaviour and deeds now. Pure control!  Dead men don't talk, no one has ever returned to say "It's a Con !"  But a con it is, a very clever one to be sure, one that cannot be proven either way.   So yes I can see why it would work on the fearful and highly superstitious people of centuries ago but why it still works is way beyond me.
      
      No land flowing with Milk and Honey, no endless supply of Virgins...
      
      The only logical conclusion I can arrive at as to why so many still believe any of this is that it must be like the story of "The King's New Clothes."  Where no one wants to appear a fool by saying what they really see.
      
      Does that make me the little boy in the story, the one who sees through the charade and dares to speak the truth ?     
      
      But I’ll tell you what I do see and that is a lot of people who still have far too much power and influence over human affairs around the world.  Sick twisted minds that call others to sacrifice themselves in the name of a God with false promises of rewards after death.  If it’s so good how come they’re not first in the queue.... ?
      
      These people live high on the Hog at your expense, ever seen a poor Pope or any or his entourage ? None of them look as if they have missed a meal...Ever !   
      
      Or what about the new generation of slick evangelical guru’s.... ?  All you have to do is, open up a new bank account,  dream up a new Con... stick God’s name in front of it, learn to shout a lot ,  then add a few veiled threats to scare the crap out of the faithful and sit back and wait for the promised pennies from heaven to roll in.
      
      Who knows it may be a genetic flaw, perhaps there is an evolutionary strain of human beings that enjoy being screwed.... and not in a good way !

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      kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      when one forsake the simplicity of Truth he eventually ends up in the complexty of error.
      
      God origin can only be nothing.......that is the simple but only True answer.
      
      Now since origin mean  beginning and nothing itself implies ending god is a producct of the two...that why he is refferred to as beginning and end..Alpha Omega.
      
      again since it is an impossibility for nothing itself to exist therefore God exist and therefore He is all things.
      
      Since God has already proven every false to exactly....false , He has established Himself upon them and called Him self Truth.
      
      Now this is the parable of parables and the parable of God...
      
      Though He is , He appears as though He is not, for he is a product of the two, and can be seen in either..
      
      Since His establishment is a mystery from beginning, it only takes the mind of wisdom to unlock....using the key of Truth.....and unless a man trulyt loves his neighbor as Himself....he exclude himself from knowing the answer to this question.....
      
      Find the answer to this parable you also find the answer to each and every othe question.

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      Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Don't try to know everything in life...you will only run into a brick wall.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   The god that made god came first, followed by the second god becoming his son and then killing himself because he saw what a rotten job he made of making his subjects.
   
   He then disappeared in a puff of illogical scripture and has not been seen or heard of since, except by those with the special foil hats. Ramen.

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      dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      E.T.-Fly Home..!

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'm still at a loss to know who made the god who made god.

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            dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            To me if God exhisted, he would be larger than all he created, live outside of the creation.
            
            Like a painter who paints on a Kanvas, he physicaly does not exhist in the Kanvas, but outside of it, but on the Kanvas he creats his world, a picture.
            
            So if there was a God we would not see or know him,  We are Brush strokes, and colors mixed in that creation.  A Made 2nd God would be also to vast to fit in the creation with us.
            
            To me that is why the story is not possible He could not Create another God of his power and like to fit into the Creation.
            
            No God to make a God I am begining to think.

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               earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               The interesting thing is that I have posted links to Lawrence Krauss and many other experts who can explain how we got started on this planet and when, the age of Earth, the age of the Universe, the god question and more.
               Not one religionist commented on any of them in almost 3 years!
               Now that says something about them that I already knew.
               
               Reality scares the pants off them, most don't have the grey matter to understand science and they have no reasonable arguments to support their myths.
               
               Goddunit and I know cos he talks to me doesn't cut the mustard.

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                  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree Earnest, I am reading these now and it does prove a lot

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                     earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     There is a lot that is unknown, but a hell of a lot that IS known and knowable.
                     I often wonder if religionists have any idea how much has to be proved up before any of the major theories see the light of day.
                     
                     Space travel is a fine example of proving these theories up.
                     
                     Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of our best minds correlating and cross checking other sciences looking for anomalies, millions of bits of information that must agree before a theory goes forward to become axiomatic.
                     
                     Krauss and the like eat these religionists for breakfast daily, so they stay away from a proper examination of what we do know already.
                     
                     It's like a piece of their brain is missing.
                     
                     The funny thing is that some believe they are intellectuals because they can read and use a few big words, then prove they are not by being totally without understanding of what they have read, then come here as "experts" on all things religious.
                     Bloody hilarious!

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               Jesus-Savesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Hey Dutchman1951, that is a good analyzation. But sadly that is all that it is, an analysation from a human being. God cannot be known or fathomed by finite men, because He is infinite. But He has revealed Himself through His Son Jesus Christ, whom He sent to this world to be the Saviour of the world.
               Creation is more than just a painting on a canvass. It is alive, and God Himself is the one keeping that creation alive. This means He is everywhere in His creation, but His creation is not Him.
               We should be very carefull how we speak about Him, for He is here with us. The Bible is clear, God will judge men for every idle word they have spoken. But this does not mean God is a tryrant. God is love, and at the same time holy. We should not talk about Him carelessly.

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   If there is a god then who created god? Circular question and pointless.
   
   As for the other question, which came first the chicken or the egg? It's fairly simple to answer that, the egg came first. It existed in some form or another, long before chickens ever existed.

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      dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Your not supposed to use Logic Cag...!     lololol
      
      Ok Spok, you have the Con..!   

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   Kirui l. K.posted 13 years ago

   Simple, there are infinite number of gods. The real God is the infinite one. God was created by a god, who was created by an even greater god, who was created by even more greater god. There was no begining of this creation of gods. You are one of those gods!

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   Here is a better and more inspiration thing than gods.
   Men.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM
   
   I just played it at the top of my Martin guitars voice, and sang it.
   Fired me up!

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   Jesus-Savesposted 13 years ago

   Hey earnestshub, dont blaspheme the eternal, self existent One.
   God cannot be made. Its either you are God or you are not. Because one of the requirements of being God is, you must be self-existent.
   God is composed of 3 divine persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. And the Spirit was sent by the Father to be the representative of the Son on earth.

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sure! ... and little bo peep went wee wee wee wee all the way home.
      It is simply a crock. Read something else that informs. The biblical god is a psychopath.

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   Jesus-Savesposted 13 years ago

   Hey earnestshub, dont blaspheme the eternal, self existent One.
   God cannot be made. Its either you are God or you are not. Because one of the requirements of being God is, you must be self-existent.
   God is composed of 3 divine persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. And the Spirit was sent by the Father to be the representative of the Son on earth.

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      Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If there were a God, he would see the logic of being blasphemed at this point in our journey. What is there to show? Contradictory statements in books that have been so abused for years that it has become laughable. No interaction by this entity in all of recorded history. No proof to offer, other than statements made by people who prove no superior understanding.
      
      If the God, as you imagine it, exists then it is past the time to make an appearance to set the record straight; since your concept is quite contradictory to many others.
      
      Sorry. It's past the time for humanity to move back to the drawing board on this question.

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   aka-djposted 13 years ago

   @intellagentleman
   
      You asked for it!
   
   Sorry for laughing, but because you are new here, you have no idea. But you will, trust me. You will.
   

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   lone77starposted 13 years ago

   First, let's clear the air with this "chicken or egg" business. Obviously (?) the egg came first! That which laid the egg was almost a chicken (a 99.999999999% chicken). That's evolution -- gradual changes. A hundred thousand years before that, 50% chicken. Got it? Simple, isn't it?
   
   No entity or thing created God. God is source. God is timeless (outside of space-time). There is no "before" God, because He is superior to time. Time is an "artificial" construct, at least from a creator's viewpoint.
   
   When an artist has an idea for a new painting, you could ask "Who forced them to have that idea?" Why, no one, of course! The artist was source on everything to do with that idea. The creation stops with them; there is no one behind them, making them do it.
   
   Same thing with God, only on a more absolute scale.
   
   How does that sound to you?

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Time has just been measured and time travel confirmed. Keep up!

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      According to chemistry "Structural Control of Crystal Nuclei by and Eggshell Protein" the chicken came first.
      
      

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         Merlin Fraserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting question which actually came first ?
         
         Evolutionary speaking I think it would have to be the egg.
         
         After all the chicken is quite an evolved species and going back down the chicken's branch on the tree of life there must be an ancestor that laid the egg and when it hatched took one long look and said "What the F*@# is that ?
         
         Or am I being too literal or too scientific here ?

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Here's some excerpts from the author of that paper:
            
            “It had long been suspected that the egg came first, but now we have the scientific proof that shows in fact the chicken came first,” said Freeman.
            
            Sort of.
            
            What came first was a particular chicken protein found in the bird’s ovaries that governs crystal growth and how it spawns an eggshell overnight.
            
            The protein ovocledidin-17 (OC-17) is found only in the hard part of the shell, but scientists have long wondered what its role has been in the creation of calcite crystals and an eggshell.
            
            Using the U.K. national supercomputer in Edinburgh to simulate how the protein clamps on to a surface, the researchers also noticed that OC-17 sometimes just falls off on its own.
            
            The research took 5 million core hours of computer simulations using a tool called metadynamics, the team reported.
            
            What evolves is “an incredibly elegant process” of formation, detaching and more formation that manages to produce an eggshell within 24 hours.
            
            

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    secularist10posted 13 years ago

    1. So God is uncreated...
    
    2. Therefore it is possible for something to be uncreated
    
    3. Therefore it is possible reality itself was uncreated
    
    4. Therefore God is not needed as an explanation for the existence of reality
    
    5. Therefore there is no reason to believe in God
    
    6. Therefore we can have all the kinky sex we want
    
    Or something like that...

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    Kirui l. K.posted 13 years ago

    Lone77star
    of course you cannot even imagine this thing called 'out side space and time' let alone illustrate it! Yet many people use it like a mantra.For if God created time, then there was a time when there was no time which is absurd! Time as well as space is nothing and thus doesn't have to be created. 'before' is a preposition and it doesn't make sence to say it is that 'there is before' let alone ' there is no before'. Things that are there or not there are objects alone. Prepositions are the meaning of 'being there' itself.

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    Kirui l. K.posted 13 years ago

    Secularist
    Existence of God has nothing to do with kinky sex. It belongs to a completely different topic of wether there is sin or not and what is and what is not sinfull.

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       secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It doesn't?!
       
       Damn, guess I've been reading too much Freud.

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          Merlin Fraserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Dunno !
          
            I kinda liked your theory... may not have been proven but sounded a lot more fun.

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    Merlin Fraserposted 13 years ago

    I was looking a little further back, I mean didn't the Dinosaurs lay eggs ?
    
       Can't remeber seeing anything that said T Rex ate at KFC's...

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       Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       True, so perhaps the dinosaur came before the egg if that paper has any validity.
       
          
       
       Maybe T Rex ate the Colonel instead?

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          wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Would that make the Colonel that much searched for "missing link"?  No wonder we can't find it!

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    quotationsposted 13 years ago

    All of the three main monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - believe that God is eternal and therefore has no beginning or end. No one created Him. In the Old Testament God describes Himself as the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end of everything.
    
    This nature is a significant difference from the polytheistic religions, many of which believe that the gods have geneologies and were begotten by other gods. For example, in classical Greek religion, the goddess Athena was born from Zeus. In fact Zeus was a bit of a scoundrel and procreated with a lot of goddesses as well as mortal women, willing or not.
    
    It may seem a paradox to say that if God exists, then how can he have come into being without having been created because we are used to finding a creator behind every thing: the car you drive is made of parts, that were made in other factories, and assembled by people, and so on and so on. At each step we can find another "creator".  But that is because we are applying an earthly logic to a supernatural being. If God exists, his very nature would be different from our reality.
    
    Besides, it is not illogical to believe that something could be without having been created. Even if god does not exist, the fact is that either the universe always existed or came into being in the Big Bang. If the universe came into being, what created it? If there was a process that happened before the Big Bang, what caused that process, and so on. Even in a godless universe, we will either have to accept that our universe came into being without a creator or always existed and has no creator. So while it may be strange to contemplate the existence of a God that has no creator, we reach a similar conclusion about the universe even if there is no god. In other words, at some point something came into being - whether god or the universe - without being created by something else. It is a mind blowing concept.

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