Can you Love Jesus and Hate Gays at the same time???

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   Castlepalomaposted 12 years ago

   I no longer can imagine hating anyone since Childhood.
   
   How can a Christian hate 10% of our World's population and still love Jesus, both at the same time?

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      Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      They say they don't. They say "love the sinner, hate the sin".

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         autumn18posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         This is correct, they do say that. To me it's too contradictory. If it makes people feel less judgemental though then it works.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Most gay people would be born with the gay gene. My God would not hate his own creation as far as I can imagine. Why would 80 countries make it illegal to be gay.World wide 80 to 90 percent of the population believe in God,
            
            Why would an all loving God hate 10% of his people for their sin for the rest of their lives?

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               aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               First of all. there is no conclusive evidence of any such gene!
               
               Second, how do you make the leap from Christians* hating gays,(which they don't), to God hating gays.
               
               If God did hate gays, then Christians would have every right to do the same.
               
               
               
               * Christians are not the same as Christian Religionists.

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                  Philanthropy2012posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

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                     aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     What's your point?
                     
                     Where's the hate?
                     
                     
                     We (mere humans) have laws in society.
                     Those who break them get punished. Does that mean society hates these people?
                     Not as far as I know.

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                        autumn18posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Homosexuality isn't a crime. If someone who breaks a law that affects me or a loved one in a negative way I would probably hate them. I would hate them if it hurt any innocent human or animal. For example, I hate people who abuse children.

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                  Philanthropy2012posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Your turn.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  aka-dj
                  
                  Where did your studies come from? Christian scientist lol.
                  
                  How wound you feel if your Christianity was illegal in this many countries
                  
                  
                  Afghanistan
                  Algeria
                  Angola
                  Antiqua and Barbuda
                  Bangladesh
                  Barbados
                  Belize
                  Bhutan
                  Botswana
                  Brunei
                  Burundi
                  Cameroon
                  Cook Islands
                  Djibouti (unknown status)
                  Dominica
                  Eritrea
                  Ethiopia
                  Gambia
                  Gaza
                  Ghana
                  Grenada
                  Guinea
                  Guyana
                  Iran
                  Iraq
                  Jamaica
                  Kenya
                  Kiribati
                  Kuwait
                  Lebanon
                  Lesotho
                  Liberia
                  Libya
                  Malawi
                  Malaysia
                  Maldives
                  Mauritania
                  Mauritius
                  Morocco
                  Mozambique
                  Myanmar
                  Namibia
                  Nauru
                  Nicaragua
                  Nigeria
                  Oman
                  Pakistan
                  Palau
                  Papua New Guinea
                  Qatar
                  Saint Kitts and Nevis
                  Saint Lucia
                  Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
                  Sao Tome and Principe
                  Saudi-Arabia
                  Senegal
                  Seychelles
                  Sierra Leone
                  Singapore
                  Solomon Islands
                  Somalia
                  Sri Lanka
                  Sudan
                  Swaziland (female/female-unclear)
                  Syria (female/female-unclear)
                  Tanzania
                  Togo
                  Tonga
                  Trinidad and Tobago
                  Tunisia
                  Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (plans to repeal the law)
                  Turkmesistan
                  Tuvalu
                  Uganda
                  United Arab Emirates
                  Uzbekistan
                  Western Samoa
                  Yemen
                  Zambia
                  Zimbabwe

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                     the lone gunmanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Christianity is illegal in that many countries if not more.  Christians are persecuted and killed for their beliefs everyday all over the world.

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               the lone gunmanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Also, the existence of the 'gay gene' or being 'born that way' is nothing more than a myth.  It has be scientifically proven to not exist. In fact, its very existence would be, according to "Evolution', impossible.  Homosexuality is a socially conditions state of mind.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   As identical twins, Patrick and Thomas began as genetic clones. ...Proving people are born gay would give them wider social acceptance and ... if one twin was gay, the other had about a 50 percent chance of also being gay. So one person being gay it's very possible that 10 people would be heterosexual
                  
                  There are 9 countries give gay people the death and 80 countries it's illegal, Do you really think a person would want to be gay in this society pressure if the person was not gay?

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                  Paul Wingertposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  So the 400+ species where homosexuality exists is also a socially conditional state of mind? I don't remember waking up one morning with a tough choice of whether I was attracted to men or women. Keep in mind people who are homosexual were raised in a heteralexual household. Children who are raised by a gay or lesibian couple do not become homosexual. Matter of fact gay and lesbians make better parents.

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                     jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Thanks Paul for affirming that we are simply a species.  I am of the opinion that in 10000 years from now we will either be a totally forgotten species, having left an awful legacy for later species that follow us, or..... we will have USED our intelligence to change the way we behave and forged a brand new world.
                     
                     The way we are going at the moment, urged on by hypocrites and bigots, I suspect the former will eventuate.
                     
                     However, if we learn to use the resources which are available to us, including using the nurturing abilities of homosexual men and women to raise children to adulthood, then our species will survive very well.  This will also benefit from the natural "birth control" and population stabilization which such a same-gender family life will bring.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     The following is a time line of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) related history.
                     9660 to 5000 BC Mesolithic rock art in Sicily depicts phallic male figures in pairs that have been interpreted variously, including as depictions of homosexual intercourse
                     
                     ]7000 to 1700 BC Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are "third sex" human figures having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics. In Neolithic Italy, female images are found in a domestic context, while images that combine sexual characteristics appear in burials or religious settings; in Neolithic Greece and Cyprus, figures are often dual-sexed or without identifying sexual characteristics.
                      
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                     A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.[
                     
                     I have heard of studies where up to date, they have found 5000 species that have had homosexual encounter

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      Deborah Sextonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      ***********
      
      No they can't

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Just imagine if the same bias were applied to Christians. If Gay's were a religion they would be the third largest Religion in the world , what other group in the world is outlawed in 80 countries, you see, we forget gays are people too.

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      lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Gay is not a religion so you can't make a general rule. It's like saying 'do you hate ginger-haired people?' Show me one and I'll tell you.

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Just saying if the gay population were the size of  religions population member group, then gay would be third largest religion. Using the imagination only for exploring ideas, not using the Sky Daddy be all end all magic
         
         I worship woman and they are my ultimate love, it could be the same for gay people.

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            lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I think the reason why "being Gay" has never really taken off like religion has, is that they don't naturally reproduce. Nobody needs to stop homosexuality because it comes it comes to its own natural full-stop.

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               Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I wish 50% of men in the world were gay, it would make more women for me. Then we would have far less population, pollution, wars, murderer and then a million other species would have a better chance.
               
               Slow way down the popularization of over population growth before it's too late

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                  calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  lol hope you like this one x
                  
                  

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                     Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Dam those gay genes

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                        calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        lol hahahaha

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      adomcruzeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hating without any reason is a part of the journey of some one growth. No one is sinner but time made it to do so.

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years ago

   well...countries make many things illegal....why?...narrow minded thinking...fear and control....living in a box and not looking inside, outside, in front, behind, or next door
   
   as for that word 'sin' - i despise that word
   
   ...this question will never be answered with mutual agreement, confirmed,  concluded....it's up to each person to determine their own answer and not be swayed by 'group think'
   
   ...how's the weather CP?...lots of snow i bet...thick blanket of the white stuff on the big island...but will disappear by rain today...yahoo!

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Most snow this year,  only 3 inches, my electric  handles better than most cars and passing them often. Some people think I'm dumb yet more people talk about my bike than all the cars combine owned. Going to teach sand sculpture here at the Art college ,
      
      Yes Sin sucks, adjusting mistakes is better, gays must be well hidden in this town , it's such a bible belt.
      
      What are you up to?

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         SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         ...about to get ready for work and take a trip over a mountain pass...bringing my camera just in case i see something beautiful...which i will for sure
         
         we had a lot of snow...my car could only move backwards on Wed....and with snow tires...lots of ice under the snow...experienced cabin fever within 24 hours.....
         
         ...i can picture you ripping through town on your bike...and in the snow? ha ha ha
         
         that's kewl about the teaching gig
         
         wow...can't believe anyone has to hide in Canada anymore...but then again, am i surprised...no....
         
         later...gater.....

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            SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            hijack again...have a great day CP!  ...don't stir too fast....stir slowly.....

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               Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Why not a new 007 movie , Shaken em and Stir em without the violence
               
               More truthful about the world and exciting

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      bereola.ogunleyeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I bet we are yet to live the life of Christ practically, or begin to express God's love as the scriptures teach. Where God's love transforms a sinner, the love we know is one that is well planned out, completely thawed out by cruel logic! Devoid of compassion, one that can only come from a brilliant, religious mind!

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Kind of a broken record that dose not work well for all

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   editorsupremoposted 12 years ago

   A true born again Christian does not hate gay people. How can they? Hate is an evil, negative and destructive view and thought process. However, it is the sexual act that gays practise that Christians believe is a sin and forbidden in the Christian life.  I'm a Christian and whilst at uni my best friend was gay and I loved him as a person, they are no different to us except for their sexual preference. It is not for me or other christians to be judgmental it is their choice. Only God can judge.
   
   God does not hate gay people. It is a sentiment that dumb religious people say, pure propaganda!

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yet, gays are outlawed in 80 countries

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         lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Sodomy is banned, not being Gay. Sodomy against women is also illegal. Do you think that's unfair?

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Is not, Sodomy a form of rape and illegal. I'm not getting the connection between gays and Sodomy against women
            
            More likely gay men treat women better than straight men do.

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   Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

   i don't hate gays and I am a Christian.
   
   In fact, as many homosexual men are very handsome, in good shape, and great dressers, I was always thankful in my single days that they weren't competition for the ladies

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I had the same good luck in San Francisco on NEW YEARS Eve

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         Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         luck isnt needed on new years eve

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   rocketjsquposted 12 years ago

   To answer the original forum question, the answer is yes.  A person can love Jesus and hate Gays at the same time.  However, to qualify this answer, it does not represent appropriate Christian behavior or categorically include ALL Christians.  Nor does it signify how God feels about Gays.
   Anyone who claims to be Christian and expresses "hatred" toward any person should consider re-evaluating the true meaning of what it is to be a Christian.

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I hope they quickly re- evaluate gays outlawed in 80 countries
      
      Gays suffering slavery to these overly Religious Countries is a waste of time and energy toward a friendlier and kinder world

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   Jamens1posted 12 years ago

   The Christian faith is about believing in the son, the father, and the holy spirit.  If you believe in these three, then you believe in God's forgiveness through Christ.  No one was born perfect, so as a Christian you must strive to be like Christ.  Therefore when Christians see people displaying that they are gay publicly, they find it offensive to their faith.  The reason why, is Christians are constantly asking for God's forgiveness and trying correct their short-commings.  When they see people openly gay it is disrespectful to God, because it leaves a negative impression in the world.  Imagine you are a parent with your children in public and you see to gay people displaying their affection for each other (good parents can explai)n   what's going on to their children.

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   KellyPittmanposted 12 years ago

   No.  Jesus LOVES EVERYONE.  So if you have any HATE in you for anyone, then you aren't on the right path of really loving Jesus and what he stood for.  Have you seen the movie, "Reconciliation"?  It's pretty good.  My favorite line is "It's not about tolerance or acceptance, It's about love". 
   
   There's also a really good YouTube video that has gone viral from a young man  named Rob Bell who speaks of "Loving Jesus, but hating religion". It's awesome!

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes
      
      My mystic thinking would say, Jesus did not say being gay is wrong
      
      More wrong translations again perhaps?

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         brotheryochananposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         He didn't say it was wrong, but ... He didn't say it was right either. Forget the gay gene that's scientifically unproven. Too horny for one gender is my unscientific guess.
         
         What did Jesus say, "promiscuity is wrong. All sexuality has to come under submission to each person. We need to be in control of our sexuality. One man and one wife for life". We see a natural order, including children and grandchildren. We see people being appreciated according to what is on the inside not as a piece of meat.
         
         Although we can't find a quote from jesus about this sort of thing we can surmise how the holy spirit of God might see it.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If it is not wrong?
            
            Can it be based on either bigoted, bias, assuming homophobic people, who like to make crap up?

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               brotheryochananposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               that's a big if. I do think its wrong. The question now is how do i wanna handle that? Do i wanna stomp all over it or do i want to, in love, treat that person as a brother or sister?
               
               As an audience member my situations are not as complicated as say, a pastor who runs a church and the situation varies in complexity, from the person who has a very infrequent dalliance to the married same sex couple to hold hands and kiss and make no effort to conceal their homosexual lifestyle.
               Sometimes the problem is not the act but the endorsement of the act. Lesbian moms pass on female preference ideas to their offspring as do male also. If the married same sex people are promoting their sexual preference and lifestyle, then that, inside the church is a different matter and i would think demands some sort of action.
               We see how the liberal idealism of the Anglican mindset has worked out for them.
               
               This is the problem with sin. How does one handle any of it? Should we handle it? as a congregational member my responsibilities are different than that of my pastor or an elder.
               There is scriptural reference to discussing the situation with the person first, then taking it to the pastor.
               But in all occurrences of sinful activity, we are all called upon by our Lord to pray about the situation and to pray for that person before taking the situation into our own hands... the reason for this is who knows but God what that persons (gay) stance will be in a week, 6 months, or a year.
               God will always teach us how to handle these independent and different situations according to His way.
               
               I do not think this abrogation of Christian sexual propriety can be attributed to people who like to make crap up, but rather those who sincerely want to obey what they think are Gods ways, are trapped in some degree of legalism and whose zeal has made them hasty.
               If a person has a degree of bias or is homophobic and bigoted in whatever area, we must remember that we are works in progress; hopefully growing away from those things that shaped us and were part of us, before Jesus entered our life.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You won't be really happy until you get to heaven
                  
                  Good luck with that

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  To points I wish to comment on, Brother:
                  
                  1.  "...not the act but the endorsement..."    Why do you need to make any judgment, if you are going to leave it in your God's hands?  Do you think You, Yourself, will be judged negatively if you don't make a judgment and act upon it?
                  
                  2.  "Lesbian moms pass on female preference ideas to their offspring as do male also"  This is a commonly held belief by people who a) Have a strong prejudice in the first place and b) Make an assumption based on ignorance. (I am not being derogatory of you here.  Ignorance in a simple "not knowing" way.)
                  
                  I have known male couples who have children in their care, one of the couples being the father.  I have never known such caring families.  The child in one case, and the children in another case, were growing up totally integrated in their schooling, attitudes, friendships - and heterosexual!  They were not being encouraged in homosexual orientation.  Why?  Because you don't "make" a person be homosexual.  The loving, caring, responsible, disciplined family life is infinitely more important.
                  
                  I can only speak from observations in my life.  Not being a parent myself, naturally I have not built up the necessary skills for nurturing children, but I have great respect for those folks who do take on this enormously important task.
                  
                  I respectfully suggest that you, as a pastor, would be better supporting any couple in your care with patience, kindness, wisdom and understanding built on knowledge, without any judgment at all.

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                     brotheryochananposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     thanks johnny
                     
                     i made distinction between pastorship and audience member (for lack of better term) I said, we all need to pray for one another - paraphrased - hinting that whatever the need is or the sin, we need to pray for one another.
                     
                     I know of people too who fit your template and i know and have known of people who fit my template. Since there is no 100% adherence to any generalization, there is still some degree of correctness.
                     
                     I am not a pastor but I agree with the last statement as other statements also i include prayer and still maintain that assessment to action and not judgment is sometimes required but only after clear direction from God.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I know many Christian who are generally happy, the way BO carries on judging others, greater than anyone I've ever seem here. Makes me mainly question christain like BO, and if they will be happy doing this to so many others.   
                     
                     Christian tradition, even the dissolution of history is based in a historical ...Coming of Christ that will bring an evil world to judgment before salvation. .... who claimed to champion the old time religion against new ways of thinking and innovations are too often ignored.
                     
                     Who really win in battle royal for the title at Judgment Day anyway,

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Brotherochanan, you wrote this in a recent post:  "...the liberal idealism of the Anglican mindset...."   Would you like to explain what you mean by it?
                  
                  It sounds a bit biased to me, but I might be mistaken.

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   SanXuaryposted 12 years ago

   There is no reason for hate at all. Technically we do not hate Adolph Hitler what we hate is what he many others did. Believing in God is a spiritual journey that requires time and maturity. Sin is telling you that something is wrong in your life. To mature you have to recognize it and then overcome it. I can only tell you what the Bible said but its interpretation in completing your spiritual growth is your journey. Ones personal journey is between God and that person. Their salvation and spiritual growth is determined by their own life time. I would never hate anyone based on self inflicted decisions that pertain to their own judgement. I love their soul at all times and sometimes tough love is required to save it. All of it is information and the decision is with that person. We must create sanctuary in ourselves, build a family by removing our selfishness and then create and provide sanctuary for everyone to include those who do not believe. Anyone who destroys the sanctuary of others only invites others to destroy yours. Although I do not approve or wish to live such a life style you our entitled to live it provided I am allowed to live mine. I would much rather be an example and be approachable to those who desire to grow. Just trying to follow and learn what God has placed in front of me is challenging enough and almost impossible in this World we live in.

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Gays are not at physical war or jailing religious people, yet Religious people are at hate and harm toward gays and it's far from an all loving Godlike action.

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         lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I think you'll find that Gays are just as capable of being bad as everyone else. It's not all soft furnishings and finding girls icky.

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            Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That is a nice stereotype.
            
            Not many gays hate people for their sexual practices and who they are attracted to. I'm sure you could find a fe who do but not as a rule.

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               lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               As a rule, homosexuals are as morally variable as heterosexuals surely?

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                  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  But not many hate others because of who they sleep with. As i said you will probably find some who do.

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                     calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You have a point too UW, I mean usually those that hate others because of who they sleep with is usually through jealousy x
                     It is rife in the gay community x

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            calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Good point lizzie the gay community is not with out bigotry and extremism I have to admit we do have heterophobic people in our community. We also have gay people who hate bisexuals, bisexuals who hate gays, transexuals who hate bisexuals & gays. Gays who hate transexuals. With me being a gay man I am acceptant of everyone I dont judge. x

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               lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you.

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                  calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Nothing wrong with your statement, I suppose to some people it may look like a stereotype at first glance, but you can tell that  it was meant in a nice way rather than a nasty one x

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                     lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     

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               Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I'm so so for tri-sexual, when over the age of 16. Bi sexual would be too greedy for me, if someone can handle it without breaking up their relationship, go for it.
               
               Let's just start with not outlawing gays worldwide

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                  calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree x Once people accept that being gay is as natural as being straight and drop the laws against it, the world will actually be alot more of a better place x
                  
                  Tri-sexual is that when you try anything? lol

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Tri-sexual means "tri anything once!" 
                  
                  I think you are talking about "3-somes."

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   SanXuaryposted 12 years ago

   I have no idea what Christians are hating gays but I have met many people of all back grounds who our rubbed wrong by the agendas of outside groups. A lot of people and churches feel pressured by those who condemn the Bible because it disagrees with its teachings. These people believe that it can simply be changed by this pressure. This is not how you accept your faith but it should not be how you condemn others outside of your organization either. Its not just churches we have reached a point where everyone has to demand choices. Sex education in school is at the top of the list where every child is forced to learn everything beyond the basic science behind it. I believe the whole abstinence idea is stupid and I also believe that my children are smart enough to stay on course. Still these are my children and not someone else's. I do not care if someone believes in God or not but you will never change the Bible. I do not use it to condemn others but to ask why and to believe that their is a reason why. My belief is that it allows us to become spiritually complete in our lives. I do not believe that you learn it in one day and that you spend a life time working on it. Just because it was written I can not change it even if I disagree. Most our lessons with consequences and out comes rather then some religious orthodox method of practice. It is humanly impossible for me and many others to embrace a life style that has no purpose or understanding or even a basic need or interest. When someone throws this agenda on them you should not be surprised that they have no interest at all and do not like such ideas being forced onto them. To each their own and as far as I am concerned such things area a private matter and none of my business. My business is no different and the invitation to learn and take the journey to find out for yourself is always there. Just because someone disagrees will not change the outcome in their favour.

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    brittanytoddposted 12 years ago

    I have never met or spoken with or even heard of a Christian "hating" a homosexual person.  They may not like the individual's actions or sexual orientation, but not "hate" them.  For those who do, they are not true Christians as the Bible does not promote hatred.

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       autumn18posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       They may not hate them but most of them think they are not worthy of the right to legally get married. That means they aren't considered equals. Again it's not quite hate but it's not love and acceptance either.

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          brittanytoddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Some do, some don't.  We should not generalize all those who believe in Christianity as people who dislike homosexuals or do not agree with gay marriage.

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       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       brittanytodd
       
       The USA is getting better
       
       There are many predominantly Christian countries that make gays illegal

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          brittanytoddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, but this is not because of Christianity; it's because of how people have construed the teachings of Christianity.  Either way, it still isn't "hatred".  I just think it is not right to generalize all Christians when many I have talked to have no problem with gay marriage.

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             Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             There are  ten countries have begun allowing same-sex couples "Strong majorities of Americans oppose gay marriage

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                brittanytoddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I know.  Some are not Christian.  What does this have to do with what I said?

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                   Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   I really don’t unstandstand why God hates period, it is beyond me. God hates liars" he hate murderer yet the Bible nowhere directly states that God hates homosexuals.
                   
                   Yet too many contradicting Reliligious people say being gay is unnatural, they allow it to be illegal in 80 countries." Sure not all christian hate gays,Still Christians allege that "God" hates gays, but they do the advertising of this. It runs the website GodHatesFags.com, and GodHatesAmerica.com, and other websites protest on streets across America. Many Homophobia Christians say gays will go to hell, if that’s not hate, what is?
                   
                   Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. God and Christians hate the sin of homosexuality, well what happens when you sin your entire life , you go to hell, I say creepy Homophobes .Many Christian say God destroyed gays because Sodom and Gomorrah, then say if gays  refusal to repent for that sin exclude one from heaven.. Who is the world champion of judging? Christian, who else?

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                      brittanytoddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      Again, the original text does not say this and those out there who "hate" homosexuals are not true Christians.  I just think as they should not generalize all homosexuals as evil or sinful, others should not generalize all Christians as hateful toward homosexuals.  There are always extreem groups that do not represent the whole.

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                         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         Then make gay married FULLY legal in the USA. 
                         
                         That is only proof I will buy that most USA Christian approve gays as equal to them and consider gays ultimate love one.  I did not say most christian are hateful of gays, there is enough hateful homophobic to stop gays from marriage.

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                            brittanytoddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                            You obviously don't want to agree that we should not generalize.  You should write to your senators and others to make an organized movement to legalize gay marriage if you want action to happen.

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                               Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                               How do you mean I generalize all Christian of hating gays from my statement of...
                               Can you Love Jesus and Hate Gays at the same time???
                               
                               It is true the American majority do not approve of gay marriage

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                      calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      I always thought soddom and gomorrah was destroyed because they refused the angel entry to the hospital?

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                         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         I guess blaming it on gays is more believable , they do let clergyman in our hospitals today , I can't take a photo of the angels behind them, for lack of light.

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    the lone gunmanposted 12 years ago

    True Christianity does not teach hate in any form.  A true Christian does not 'hate' gays.  Just because you disagree with someone or that you believe something is wrong does not constitute hate. While there are Christians, speaking of the individual, who may hate, they are not representative of the true Christian faith.
    AKA-DJ makes a good point.  Our own society has right and wrong, has laws.  So as a society, we acknowledge that right and wrong does exist.  I'm not at all saying that homosexuality is a crime, but I am saying, based on my beliefs, is that it is wrong.  I do not hate gays and I am not 'homophobic.' Christians are to love everyone.  Sadly, this is not so well portrayed by the majority of them.

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       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I do not hate gays and I am not 'homophobic.' Christians are to love everyone.  Sadly, this is not so well portrayed by the majority of them.
       
       That's right

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       Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I believe the majority of outspoken homosexuals in the political arena tend to be of the liberal persuasion, thus you must account for their well known ability to turn your point of disagreement into a branding of "hate speech".

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          Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Why not vote them all?, they are all the same.

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          jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          In your Profile you say: "The mind is a terrible thing to taste!!"  How true.  All the sick minds of people who try to marginalize minority groups.  And how they concoct reasons for their antagonism.

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       lone77starposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Amen, @Lone Gunman.

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          Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yes Amen! Guns, Gays and God, Oh My.

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    LawrenceSposted 12 years ago

    Just to provide a little history, the word homosexual did not come into being until the late 1800's and it was first written down in 1911. On top of that the word gay did not come around until 1200's. The concept of two men in a monogamous relationship really wasn't an issue until the dark ages. So the idea that you would both love Jesus and hate gays (I am assuming that you are talking about men) is to actually hate a group of people for an action that they are committing, for a sin that might have been created on a later date than what was the original intention of Paul or the author of Leviticus (which is attributed to Moses). This is considering that homosexuality did not show up in the Bible until 1946. So my opinion is that it is actually impossible to love Jesus and hate gays.

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       lone77starposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The words may have been relatively recent additions, but gays (whatever they were called before) have been around throughout history and prehistory. "A rose by any other name..."
       
       Does God prefer people not to be gay? I think so. Just as God prefers people not to look lustfully at others if they are married.
       
       Stop thinking like a body. God is immortal spirit. His children are immortal spirit. We need to start letting go of earthly things. If you're gay, perhaps you can start with letting go of chocolate ice cream, first. The idea is that attachments to physical dependency are what are ultimately bad. But you do what you can, even if it's only baby steps.
       
       Sooner or later, we each need to decide if we are going to follow the master of this world (ego) or to follow God and the world of spirit and immortality.

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          LawrenceSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not saying they weren't there, what I'm saying is that if it wasn't a big enough issue to make a name for it then, why is it such a huge issue now.
          
          God prefers people not to look at each other in a lustful way period, not unless you are married to that person that you are looking at in a lustful manner.
          
          Also, living a life of asceticism is appealing to me, I don't know if it is the best thing to tell someone else if that is the best way to live their life. I can only try to do what is best for me. The best thing that I can hope for is that God will bless with the ability to help others, while trying to improve my relationship with Him and find His will for my life.
          
          So back to the original question my answer still remains that, I think that is impossible to love Jesus and hate gays.

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       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       LawrenceS Welcome to the forum good start on your first hub
       
       In 1779, Thomas Jefferson proposed a law that would mandate castration for gay men and mutilation of nose cartilage for gay women most common penalty on the books was death. About 224 years later, the U.S. Supreme Court finally put an end to laws criminalizing same-sex intercourse in Lawrence v. Texas. 1951: First National Gay Rights Organization is Founded 1973: American Psychiatric Association Defends Homosexuality, In 1973 by a check of  a pen, Gay same sex can have sex with each other and was officially legal, gay marriage in the USA is yet to be fully legal in America

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          LawrenceSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I think I heard something about that, but I thought that the law wasn't really enforced. I think, I'm not sure. That is great to know
          
          Thank you for reading my first hub, I was nervous that people wouldn't like it.

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    lone77starposted 12 years ago

    Absolutely not!
    
    "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also" 1 John 4:20-21 KJV.
    
    Okay, that said, I'm not perfect. I have gotten upset and frustrated with others in the past (didn't show love), so I do not love God as I should.
    
    I have had many friends who also happened to be gay. Their lifestyle never caused me to be angry. I am only biased against people who are biased. Sexual preference, race, creed, country of origin, gender, etc. do not matter to me.
    
    There are places in the Bible that talk against homosexual acts, but that doesn't mean gays don't deserve love and respect. They do. Those who do not love gays and say that they love God are liars. Wisdom also says that whatever you do unto the least of your brothers (and sisters) you do unto God.
    
    Most humans are too attached to this physical world in some fashion. Even the straight will have to let go of sex, because heaven is a spiritual place; not physical. There will be no giving in marriage in heaven.
    
    And yes, too many people make too big of a deal about gays, but don't admit the adultery in their own hearts.
    
    God isn't interested in these Homo sapiens bodies. Ultimately we need to be less attached to them. We need to awaken the sleeping spirit, within.

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       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Lone77star
       
       Sex is natural like eating and sleeping, yet too much of anything (except love) is not healthy. Christian being rash with kids by telling them not to have sex, is like telling them not to smoke pot, which kids know pot is healthier than cigarettes so they smoke pot more. Tell Clergyman not to have sex at all , what do too many Clergyman do? they have sex with kids, The Pope protect these kind because in jail the criminal would kill them, because Child molestation is worst than being murderer to them.
       
       Many Christian have a serious problem with Sex , not enough Adult like education.  Just look at some of these absurd laws in the Bible.
       
       1. Leviticus 20:13 clearly states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them..............................Their you have it folk , hate for gays
       2. If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10)..........................That means most of of us must die
       3. If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). …......................I got to stop kissing my dog or is that God spell backward
       4. If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)...............................who want to.
       5. Genesis 38, God puts Onan to death for spilling his seed  …..............................
       ….........birth control and masturbation would be like suicide , 98% men do it, Gay help reduce the world population , OH Oh there goes the human race
       
       6. (Leviticus 21:17-18) (Leviticus 20:27) Psychics, wizards, or Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, and so on are to be stoned to death................... I'm a professorial artist who rides a bike through the Rocky Mountains, maybe some day a huge rock will fall on me.

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          jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          So often I come into these Hubs late, hence my nick name folks.
          
          Now, to deal with some pressing issues.
          
          1.  How many of you folk contributing to this forum are speaking from practical experience, and how many of you are being totally theoretical?  I have only noticed one other person here, apart from myself, who is freely and happily declaring himself "gay."  So thankfully there are at least two people here who know what they are talking about!
          
          2.  When you look into the Profiles of those who are most against gays, they are christian in their outlook.  Each has his/her prejudicial agenda, especially when it comes to expecting a "Judgment Day" in the near future. 
              If you do not hold to the christian "ethic" and belief system, then you can discount their posts because they are too biased.
          
          3.  So many people talk of "the sex act."  They are talking about anal intercourse.  How may here are willing to admit that they have actually done it with a man or a woman?  How many can actually talk about sex, period, without a terrible feeling of guilt?  I suggest you are so wrapped up in your guilt and shame, that you can't even begin to ask questions and thereby get to the facts of the matter.
          
          4.  It is a fact that not all homosexual men engage in anal intercourse.  Some couples in a very strong, loving relationship don't ever do it.  So it is not a characteristic of being a homosexual man. 
              It is also a fact that some heterosexual men DO enjoy anal intercourse with men and women.  Therefore out goes the stereotype.  It dispels any excuse you think you have for painting every homosexual man with the same brush.
          
          5.  There is no such thing as "a homosexual."  The word is an adjective or an adverb, depending how you use it.  It's NOT a noun.  There is no outward sign that tells you for 100% certain that a man is homosexual.  We are as variable in our body language and mannerisms as you find amongst heterosexual men.
          
          6.  What any two persons, male or female, do in the privacy of their own lives, sexually, is no one else's business but their own, provided it is within the law of the country they live in and provided there is no coercion or force.  That would be equivalent to rape and is against the law in any civilized community.
          
          7.  Each person in a FREE society, is free to accept rules, guidelines, code of conduct, which he/she is happy with.  You can be christian, muslim, hindu, what ever you like.  Follow those precepts if you wish, but don't impose them on people who don't agree.  Of course, each of us is required to follow the Laws of the State in which we live.  Most laws are made for the benefit of the community as a whole.  If a law is found to be unjust, then it needs to be re-examined and changed if necessary.  We have democracy to facilitate this process.
          
          8.  Laws which were apparently written for and imposed upon peoples of an ancient land and society were written for reasons appertaining to those times.  You cannot legitimately apply them to our modern day.  That is, unless you are willing to adopt EVERY law so made then and apply each one to yourself without complaining.
          
          9.  I have never had, or wished to have, sex with a woman.  And I am now 70.  What sex I have or have not had in my life is non of your business.  Just like I would never pry into your life with such questions.  I am "gay," but I am not a danger to children; I don't dress up in women's clothing; I don't abuse women; I respect women who respect ME; I care about the welfare of men, whether they are homosexual or heterosexual.  I CARE.
          
          So, there you have it.  Sorry it has been so long, but I felt it really necessary to put these things before you.  Argue as much as you like but, please, open your minds and hearts to something new and factual.  Drop your phobias and your presumptions.  If you don't, then you are assisting in the killing of innocent persons, in awful ways, in many countries of the world.

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             Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, that's what it' is about.
             
             Caring and respect for people as long as you do not harm
             
             Good for you

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             calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Hi Jonny
             
             I love that post it sums up everything we feel inside that we cant always express to people

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             calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

             

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                jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                And some people call us animals!   Quite a compliment, really, lol.

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                   Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   It dose not bother me to see two dirty old bums in a back alley necking or two male Giraffe's necking
                   
                   What makes me puke is a Christian and a Muslim killing each other

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       So few words, yet so much garbage.
       
       This is the mindset of medieval thinking, a type of thinking that can only have the effect of damaging mankind and civilization by making us believe we are worthless and that our existence here is futile and empty.
       
       It is the type of thinking that does not support or encourage creativity, initiative or even the will to get out of bed in the morning. Why should anyone bother with anything, then?
       
       Why even bother thinking?
       
       It is the type of disgraceful belief to the means that can only come to sordid and destructive ends for us all.
       
       It is this type of ignominious belief in which one could easily push the button.

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    anancelesteposted 12 years ago

    Didn't Jesus walked and surrounded himself with the sinners???????? Prostitutes, murderers, adulterers, liars, traitors and thieves.
    
    REMEMBER!!
    THAT THAT IS WITHOUT SIN, CAST THE FIRST STONE!
    
    The bible says many things that "christian" people do every day is worthy of death and still people have no problem with it.
    
    So you approve of Lot giving a sex driven mob his virgin daughters so they wont rape his male guests!!!!! Please.(and remember what happened next in the story) As Christians we can not pick and choose what applies to our standards. Love is NOT conditional, nevertheless God's love. Dig very deep into your hearts and ask your self, when the time comes, Will God agree with you on this?

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    sushenposted 12 years ago

    Sorry i am not able to understand what you mean to say, maybe coz i am bot cristian ..!! please elaborate

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       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Yeh, how would we know what to cherry pick from, like to be gay or have self sex or  shoot our seed on the ground?

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