Out of the whole world, it is probably only a tiny percent that believes in creationism. Yet most of the world's people and other Religions, study Evolution.
One small detail, though.
Darwin is DEAD!
Jesus is ALIVE.
Like Jesus, Darwin teachings are still alive and thriving.
Is Elvis the King, alive? I’m sure he was on stage somewhere. Saw Jesus walking the streets on Halloween, and met a few others claiming to be Jesus on speakers corner.
No. Not the same thing.
Darwin's body is decomposed in a grave somewhere. I don't know, but I suppose it's no secret where he's buried.
Jesus NOT SO. The tomb was empty, and still is.
And before you counter arguments, the authorities of the day could have found, recovered and displayed His body to the whole world. They would have killed any hope of a resurrected Jesus being preached and followed, all in one act.
Darwin live to age 71, Jesus lived to age 33 and that was an old man for those hardship times
Many religions and professional scientist said Jesus did not return from the dead.
My imagination most often manifest itself into this physical world, your imagination is lost in space
Are you also aware that Darwin wasn't the first to come up with the theory of evolution?
Kind of irrelevant isn't it? As a scientist you have to have proof for things for them to matter. No one else had supplied any evidence, however I'm sure many had pitched the idea.
All in all this is a pretty silly question to begin with. Not like anyone is going to sway someone.
Also when you really get down to it the answer has nothing to do with who was right or wrong, merely who changed the world the most, for better or worse.
I can not imagine any group or leader ever winning One World Order
Yet the Bible has given many of us a grand royal pain, in trying to do so
The one world order of which the bible spoke of WAS ... when the world such as it was known at "THAT" time ; ... WAS ... when the dominate leader of the "Known" world (at THAT time)created a religion which everyone (at that time) had to submitt or suffer the consequences!!!!!
Constantine WAS that world leader; and he established a religion (government sponcered) which approx 67 years later took controll over THAT government institutition.
The Western Roman Empire soon came to be known as the HOLY Roman Empire.
Approx. 380 years after John said that it was coming "SOON",
And then a second beast rose up out of the earth; (Islam) And anyone that wouldn't worship the first beast OR itself would suffer the consequences.
John wrote that "A" religion would rise up coming between God and his chosen people.
2nd peter 1:20 .... Prophesy of scripture has NO private interpretation. "BUT" we have been taught differently.
That alone should tell us something ???? Guess NOT?
When I see that seven headed Dragon and that lake of fire, I'm be repenting like crazy.
No offense, to you 10,000 other Religions out there
The seven headed dragon .... was seen in a vision as was all of THEM beasts which Daniel saw in his visions.
In the book of Daniel, Gabriel interpreted them as being the first four kingdoms.
Since Gabriel did not interpret any of these visions in the book of revelation, I would think that we should follow the example Gabriel set forth to Daniel.
It should be safe to presume this beast (seven headed dragon)to represent a kingdom like institution proclaiming itself worthy of praise and worship, persecuting and/or killing anyone refusing to follow it's dogma.
For every beast, dragon, war and Empire that raises and falls. Their dead bodies will be replace by green grass and among the grass, Grass Hoppers will be making love
In other words, there is hard evidence Darwin existed. Thanks for that.
Who would win, by the art of not fighting?
Jesus told his disciples to sell their clothes and use the money to buy a (Luke 22:35-38) Jesus tell you to hate your family in Luke 14:26?
Then Jesus goes to hell and tell the people in hell he is suffering worst than they are
Where Darwin seem mild mattered
I say Dar-WIN the art of no fighting
Jesus preached the ideas and philosophies of John the Baptist 2000 years ago. Darwin lived in the 19th Century (born on the same day and year as Abraham Lincoln) and was a man of science. During Jesus' time, there was no science, just stories and myth and basic understandings of the world by simple observation. People at that time were born, live and died within a 20 mile radius, believed the earth was flat, that sea monsters existed. Science didn't really come about until the lathe 15th Century. By the way, the Vatican is open to evolution and the Big Bang.
Darwin theory of evolution Discovery in 1858, has turned our heads from dragons to dinosaurs living for millions of years. Darwin age 71 when people of his time period life span lived from mid 20s to age forty. Life expectancy has more than double today at age 80. Biblical people life span were about mid 20s age, life expectancy has not change much for1800 years , until Darwin's period.
This keeps getting more an more interesting, so I'm turning all this into a hub, Thanks folk, any last comments or votes for Darwin or Jesus
There was a similar article written a while back, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was Newsweek that asked, who had the biggest impact, Lincoln or Darwin? Of course Lincoln's impact only effected the United States for a short four years where Darwin turned the world and ancient beliefs upside down.
Let my people go, is important,
Compare it to the millions of unknown species ,,, not so much
Maybe if mankind goes instinct , the cockroaches can grow three stories high
Is this a trick question or have you been frozen in ice as an experiment?
With question like that, I wonder have Christian evolved that much?
I'm not sure if anyone has done much evolving in the last 2000 years, but I'm no scientist.
I'm wondering, what does it mean to live your life based on evolutionary principles? Do you find the waiting around gets a bit repetitive?
It's exactly what we're all doing right now.
Most are not waiting around for death, most prefer living, working and viewing their surrounding
Why would I? I'm not suggesting surrendering Christian culture for a scientific theory.
As funny as you living a life of evolution and gravity? I doubt it.
For Christians who do not believe in gravity
Who don't they just float up into the air and get lost in space
Who are these Christians you are talking about? Darwin was a Christian. Gallileo was a Christian. Isaac Newton was a Christian. The man who came up with the theory of the Big Bang was a Catholic priest.
Only in America is there this fixation with how long the Bible tells us we have been on the earth. The Old Testament Jews had no idea how old the world was. Why would they?
In Canada a hundred years ago, our country was 98% Christian and today it's 50% Christian and that happened Worldwide, The theory of Evolution has had a great impact of a new way of thinking. Imagine all those great scientist being between a rock of ages creationists 1000s years old and a hard rock billions years ago, along with Darwin's turning our heads from dragons to dinosaurs millions of years old.
The Evolution of a Naturalist Darwin said "I never gave up Christianity until I was forty years old. Darwin's marriage to Emma 1839, they shared discussions about Christianity for several years. He was convinced of the existence of God as a First Cause and deserved to be called a theist and he generally was an Agnostic, Darwin Spiritualism became a sore point between Darwin and a colleague also. He went as far as saying that "Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence
Where are the lost books of Jesus?
What I dont get about the story of Jesus is how one minute he is a baby born in a stable and the next he is an adult? What I would like to know is what his teenage years were like? Who his first crush was? His first girlfriend? His childhood?
How he adapted to puberty?
Speaking about strictly who had the bigger impact on the course of history: The coming of Jesus Christ affected the world before, during, and after His own lifetime; Darwin affected only persons during and after his own lifetime (albeit in an infinitely influential way).
Christianity is all over the place. But so is Darwinism; the philosophy of Darwinism is even in some parts of our economic and political gestalt. Tough call actually.
Out of the whole world, it is probably only a tiny percent that believes in creationism. Most people in the world respect science in which makes Darwin more well known. Although I find Jesus a beautiful person the writers gave too many wrong translation, my vote goes to Darwin
Darwinism isn't a philosophy, it's a theory.
Darwinism is Natures philosophy with some natural book of Taoism is good enough for me.
Christianity is a lifestyle, Darwinism is not. Neither are the theories of magnetism or gravity. I believe in evolution and God. Many people do.
Darwinism is really a theory, yes.
The fact that there are Christians would tell us that Christianity is reality too.
How in the world can you believe in Evolution and Christianity at the same time. Are you not afraid of not obeying God? How can you believe Dinosaurs were living millions of years ago and at the same time believe everything began 6000 years ago?
"Religious moderation is the product of secular knowledge and
scriptural ignorance—The texts themselves are
unequivocal: they are perfect in all their parts. By their light, religious
moderation appears to be nothing more than an unwillingness
to fully submit to God's law. By failing to live by the letter of the
texts, while tolerating the irrationality of those who do, religious
moderates betray faith and reason equally. Unless the core dogmas
of faith are called into question—i.e., that we know there is a God,
and that we know what he wants from us—religious moderation
will do nothing to lead us out of the wilderness." - Sam Harris
Its only in America that people can't cope with the idea of evolution (and it is still an idea in regards to humans by the way. Nobody has found the missing link yet.) The rest of Christendom, including Darwin himself, look at the world from the point of view of the new Testament rather than the Old. I am stunned by some of the ignorant ideas people come up with on this forum.
+Spritual is the 99% unknown world, allow us to learn other ways of thinking and move slowly out of the age of ignorant.
Its doesn't need to be one thing or another. Spiritual enlightenment is usually paralleled with high academic study. Unless you're mentally limited, like Richard Dawkins.
I think it's the other way round, atheist lack spiritual enlightenment yet stronger in the intellect academic, atheist even know about world Religion better than Christians do.
Our intellect and our spiritual are both important for our balance, being one sided can make us unbalance
Castlepaloma, You think it's the other way round, but you're wrong. That's why the best schools and universities in the world have a religious foundation. You're only saying the opposite because you ant that to be the case.
I took this test myself, scored around the same as the Atheist group did.
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I have to fall in line behind Paradimsearch. But at the same time . . . sorry. I don't care what other people think. God done it . . . . when we weren't looking.
Jesus had the greatest impact. There are Christians, and Christianity has changed the world, good or bad. Darwin was a scientist, and evolution was first a theory, and has been borne out by observation and use of scientific methods to establish. I am confused as to how the question became a comparison of creation "science" and evolution. That wasn't the original question. As humankind advances and learns more, we are sometimes able to see the mechanics of how God performed His miracles. But they are still miracles.
Then look at it, this way
Living in the USA 48% of Americans believe in evolution and about 74% of those with post-graduate degrees believe in evolution and they say they are more spiritual than Religious. USA is one of the lowest rated Countries believing in Evolution next to Turkey in the world.
Most of the world population is not even aware of Jesus, I know from touring five continents. About 75% to 80% of people in this world believe in Evolution. One time John Lennon mentioned the Beatles were more popular than Jesus , America had Beatles record burning bomb fires in many USA Cites
One vote for Jesus
One vote for Darwin
Best out of five
So John said ,but in reality the Bible out sold more Beatles albums.
..And I am a Beatles fan dont take me the wrong way. They just cant save me.
Jesus hands down
"Most of the world population is not even aware of Jesus"
2.1 billion Christians worldwide.
1.4 billion Muslims that even though they dont regard Jesus as The Savior, regard him as a Messenger of God and the Masih (Messiah) who was sent to guide the Children of Israel.
7 million Baha'i that consider Jesus, Muhammad, the Buddha, Krishna, and Zoroaster to be Manifestations of God.
Some Buddhist (385 million) regard Jesus as a bodhisattva.
But most people in the world are not aware of Jesus?
When John Lennon said that he was referring to the sales of Beatles albums as compared to the sales of Bibles, he was not at that time making any statement on religion. I, too have been in many countries, and 5 continents. So? The original question was still a comparison of Darwin's impact to the same for Jesus. That a large part of the US is under, or uneducated is true. But I have been in the cities and wilderness of Turkey, and their beliefs as a whole aren't as cosmopolitan as you are presenting. Only 74% of post-grads believe in evolution? THAT is mind-blowing. Some people choose to be foolish, I guess
I think this involves a very personal reply. Why? Because it depends on a person's point of view (which is usually a strictly personal choice) as to which one has a greater impact in their lives. Darwin theories have not been around as long as the account of Christ's life has been.
There are a few older religions before Christianity and Jesus,
There are older Cultures and Tribes than Adam and Eve
Darwin origin of species is about millions of years, Jesus bible is about 1000s of years and Darwin was more than double the followers than Jesus which are living in the present.
Older religions, yes.
Older cultures than Adam and Eve, nope!
There's a lot of symbolism in the Bible. It takes humility to get past it. I've only discovered a few gems, myself. But the real timeline in Genesis pegs Noah's Flood at 27,970 BC and Adam at 10,434,130 BC. No earlier Homo sapiens than that, I would think. Anthropologists will just have to dig harder and faster to find the bones that prove this date.
But seriously, there are many mysteries we may never solve through scientific methods. The evidence may be completely gone -- destroyed by the ravages of time and nature.
Biologically modern humans turn up in the fossil record around 200,000 years ago. Culturally modern humans are harder to pinpoint, since it depends partly on what you consider "culturally modern." The discovery of agriculture was about 10,000 years ago, which is a decent metaphor for Adam and Eve being kicked out of the Garden and forced into a life of permanent toil, but there are still successful hunter-gatherer societies in the world today, so you couldn't really say that agriculture defines "culturally modern" humans.
@Castlepaloma, you're mixing apples and termites.
If by "creationism," you're referring to the relatively new "theories" of the modern "Creation Science" movement, then Jesus had nothing to do with this. So, the impact of Jesus is not even an issue with this movement. It's a farce.
If by "creationism," you're referring to God creating the universe, then you're wrong about the "tiny percent." With most of the major religious populations of Earth believing in God in some form, creation is a given. One third Christians, many millions of Hindus, hundreds of millions of Moslems. All of them are into the "creation" thing.
Believing in creation does not mean a disbelief in evolution. I'm a Christian who knows the beauty of science and evolution. There are many Christians, even Jesuit monks who believe in evolution!
So, your entire premise for this forum discussion is flawed.
But to answer your overall question: Jesus or Darwin? I'd say Jesus, easily. Darwin was a good, hard-working scientist. He had a breakthrough, but so did lots of other great scientists. I'd say Newton, Galileo and Einstein created the biggest effects for science. Darwin might fit in the top 100.
Jesus is all about the immortal spirit that has been trapped on this planet for many millennia. The Homo sapiens bodies don't matter. Sure, we think they're important while we're wearing them, but once they're gone, they don't mean squat. We just have to go get another one and start over again.
The object of it all is to awaken the soul--the true, immortal self, within. That's the big mission behind humanity and civilization. Jesus is at the top of the list on that project. Darwin and most other thinkers were interesting, but minor distractions.
Ronald McDonald is better known than either of them all around the world - so I guess maybe he has a bigger impact!!
I did not ask what group has killed more people in the world. Obesity has killed more people than starvation in the world and what we eat and drink does related to most deaths in the world which illnesses are rated as our top 15 ways to die.
McDonald and fast foods maybe a good study on what group has the greatest negative impact in the world
"Obesity has killed more than starvation in the world"!!!!?
No I know you're not serious.
Consider most of the third world population is doubling or tripling the economic growth of America'
The number of the starving people in the world has been more or less continually decreasing for at least several centuries.
The escape from hunger and premature death, 1700-2100: Europe, America, and the Third World
The World Health Organization (WHO) predicts that overweight and obesity may soon replace under nutrition and infectious diseases as the most significant cause of poor health.
Harrison's principles of internal medicine
So what you mean is, NOW the biggest killer is obesity? As oppose to "obesity has in general killed more people than starvation", which can't be right.
Not only that, our children will be
living shorter life expectancy than my generation for the first time in human history
The greatest down side of all.
You could say that evolution had the bigger impact because we wouldn't exist without it, but Darwin himself was neither the first nor the last to come up with the theory of natural selection. He was simply the one who articulated it most successfully. If it hadn't been Darwin, it would have been Wallace, or someone else entirely. The truth will out.
Therefore, I would say that between Jesus and Darwin, Jesus had the greater impact. He started a religion that, for better or worse, has directly affected the lives of hundreds of millions of people around the world for two millennia. Darwin was mostly lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time with the right attitude and the right skills.
Still concider our world population has more than tripled after Darwin's death.
Look at present Darwin theory of 80% mixed followers vs Jesus theory of 33% followers. Most people of today say they are spiritual rather than religious.
Look at our future of the our museum and school at present who teach evolution where there is only one Big USA Creation Museum that teaches that everything began only 6000 year ago and the odd some other Mom and Pa operation.
You think most of our future children will buy into the Creation theory. Sorry each generation of kids get smarter. If you have not questioned the Creation is too crazy, you may be too far gone.
Do you Kerryg still vote for Jesus over Darwin
I do. Unless you are an evolutionary biologist or you like to come argue with creationists online like me, the fact that you believe in evolution rarely affects your daily life, whereas if you're a Christian, you probably change your behavior in some way in response to your beliefs, and during some periods of history may have had your behavior forcibly changed for you.
Nature and animal evolution dose affects everyone's daily life, we just don't notice it because it's silent like love
I more surrounded by nature in green Eco house with every natural updated healthy system. Work as an artist for 36 years in natural materials worldwide, If people like the supernatural Creationism and their fight club , it is really limited. Most people prefer to glue the world together with nature which we are all in it, nature surround us, there is no escaping nature.. The natural earth is billions of years old , religion is only 1000's , religion will come and go on the earth , the earth it’s self will not
it simple, I live a natural lifestyle, for it's only natural to be happy,
Prob progressive to evolve to higher states of being
in contradiction to a seemingly non-evolutionary universe. Everything that exists already exists.
The biggest impact, Jesus or Darwin?
Jesus had about 2000 years to affect our world. Darwin had 150 years.
Is that a fair comparison or should be really delve into what the religion of Christianity and the concept of evolution have given the world?
If it's a popularity contest, you'll probably find more stuff about Einstein than Jesus and Darwin put together.
Darwin beats Einstein for Scientific Fame
Darwin is the most famous scientist both living or dead and has been surging over the past few decades
Darwin to evolution mean more than Jesus to Religion
Google it, see how many times Darwin comes up, I love both of their works.
There are over 2 billion Christians in the world, for whom at least two thirds think the theory of evolution is not a problem. You surely don't measure culture by how many times it appears on the internet? Half the world don't have the internet.
If it's on the internet , it's in books too
Literalist creationists believe that evolution can not account on how the world began only 6000 years ago concerning living organisms, and the idea of it.... In particular, Christians should not make absurd dogmatic interpretations of evolution.
It's like Christian want to be all and end and own everything without the responsible work done and want to claim my cake and eat to too
Literalist creationists are in the minority and hail from the New World. I don't have an affiliation with that kind of Bible-based logic. My connection is with the Renaissance and the surge of creative thoughts and ideas it gave birth to. I think it's been down hill since then.
If you ask me, we've devolved if anything.
Again I'll say, Christians came up with the ideas you think are so magical.
I thought the best times were the1950s and 60s when my parent had a house, no debts, a saving account and lots of holidays. You did not live in the Renaissance age , how do you know it was like the 1% cooperation control like today.
Nothing is better than living for today and being a co creator with God
Remnants of the Renaissance are everywhere in Europe. It will be centuries before we forget its profound, exciting, spiritual and artistic influence on western culture.
What we have today is pathetic. We will look back on this period as a Godless, self-absorbed, gluttonous, narrow-minded blip in the files of history. People don't have skills, they learn how to press buttons and recite other people's ideas. Children aren't taught to think, but how to pass exams and how to compromise. We don't have great statesmen, only mediocre college graduates who have learned how to take advantage of the system and want to control other people.
Yes I'm in love with the past, and I have hope for the future only because the past tells me how much more we are capable of. Very little about the present makes me enthusiastic about my children's future. We really are capable of doing much, much more.
Love many of the Renaissance works of art, yet if I lived back then, as a sculptor, the rule maybe carve or be carved and more likely religious works. I sure love the freedom of today less wars per capita, easy to travel the world,, live much longer, far more opportunity, more green then ever and etc ….etc. Life is what you make it and there is no better time in life than living it in the present. So be the renaissance person if you wish or study back to the dawn of art and culture some 30,000 to 40,000 years ago, it's all good or study dinosaurs or translated in the bible, dragons if you wish.
Renaissance only goes back 4 or 500 years. Keep up.
I miss the word Or
From building history museum displays, I surely would know better.
Sorry, I was being cheeky there.
I suppose this debate is about preference. If you love the world best as it is, rather than what it used to be, it's a positive thing in some ways. I personally think much of the modern world lacks meaning. It's an age of information and comfort (for us in the west), but having information isn't the same as having wisdom.
In times of comfort, people get lazy-minded. In times of suffering, people need to think beyond the confines of their living conditions in order to live without despair.
More people have mastered their lives than any other time in human history and the third world countries are catching up fast.
First time in human history the younger generation will live a shorter life expectancy than ours
It's more of a matter of, if your cup of life, is half empty or half full.
What do you mean by 'mastered their lives'? If obesity is the biggest killer, that is not people mastering their lives. That is a people who have enslaved themselves to modern life. That is a tragedy on a major level.
Do you know what obesity represents? A failure of mind over matter.
What is the purpose of religion? Discipline of mind over matter.
Lower levels of spirituality coincide with physical degeneration.
The mother earth and human being have their own way of changing and balancing. Since mid 1980s our world population has increase six time always balancing themselves. The increase number of people to role model from who have mastered life have increased also. If you haven’t notice oneself or the other people's successes in mastering life, it means one has not been proactive enough of ones own Characteristics and destiny in the present first.
Who has the bigger impact on the world, Jesus or Darwin?
No one has an impact.
It all depends on your perception and interpretation. Even if a person has a deep insight into each of the group's doctrine and is able to analyze their advantages and disadvantages, what one thinks about Christianity and Darwinism differs from another.
That means, there is no definite answer on who has the biggest impact.
I would think that early media would have an impact with both. Both Jesus and Darwin would be nowhere without some way to spread their word. So to say that one person has more of an impact on the world than another isn't looking at every factor. There are many things, and people involved.
Also there are many variations and stories about what happened during the time of Jesus. And, we don't know if any of them are true. In fact the Muslim faith, and others do not see Jesus as any more than a deciple. Which is why they do not believe in christianity.
There are also rumors that Darwin's theories are stolen from other historians and professors, and his thoughts are not his alone. There are also many examples of other theories that have been proven wrong. Like the thought that the earth was flat, and sailing to the edge of the world would cause you to fall off and vanish into thin air.
The most idiotic is the man who discovered gravity. So, and apple falls on his head, and suddenly he is a genius? If he were in modern times, he would probably be selling a book...How I discovered gravity. Only people would be smart enough to say...you didn't discover gravity it was always there, you were just the most known person to slap a name on it, and call it your own.
Are you for real. Maybe a physics course would be a good investment for you. An apple and Newton is what you believe. Honestly I can't stop laughing. I'm sure calculus is so far over your head...higher above it than this apple you speak of.
Actually, outwest, I have watched several documentaries, and was merely stating that all of these famous people that have gone down in history as the greatest minds on the planet had help. And, not everything you hear about them is 100 percent accurate, and has been a subject of debate.
I don't need to know physics to know the whole newton and the apple story. My point was that gravity has always been around, just because Newton was smart enough to make a name for himself with his theories doesn't mean that he is the only one who is right, or the only one who ever tried. The same can be said for Darwin. Jesus, on the other hand, is a debate that has been going on forever, even when he was alive.
And, by the way? What does physics have to do with Jesus?
Children and adults alike are absolutely fascinated by these mysterious Dinosaurs & Prehistoric Animals.
Jesus in church was a place to snore and sleep for me as a kid
Both Darwin and Jesus bore the crap out of me. But, I find Dinosaurs and ancient civilizations fascinating.
If you really think that all Newton did was name gravity you are in need of some facts. He did not just name it. He mathematically calculated it. So well in fact that it was his math that was used to get to the moon. He also was among two who invented calculus. So whether we are talking about Jesus or not I'm making a comment about what you said, which left me in stitches I might add. So thanks for the entertainment.
Only people who are interested in the calculations you mentioned, and Calculus would care about that. So, im guessing when he did this calcuation he watched the apple drop, timed its decent to the ground, calculated in wind resistance, weight, and porportion...and came up with what? Then watched a bigger apple drop and had to calculate again?
They used to ask those questions in math class, and my answer was always who cares!!! probably one of the reasons the US was so reluctant to use the metric system. All the re-calculation was just time consuming!!
They said that once about changing to decimal currency
Actually the metric system was created by an American ,but oddly they didnt embrace it. Many other countries have.
Creationism is a broken theory. How did humans come to be in the world. God designed and made them. Prove it.
No mater what you say after that there is nothing scientific about it.
Jesus and Christianity has been the cause of major world events that have changed our world forever. Darwin has not had that impact, although his impact is very big.
If you come from the US ,more likely you may think it is the world.
Since darwin fails in three areas:
tree of life
and jesus fails in no areas:
but that's not the question, who has the bigger impact.
Tough to say, Many people doubt both. Having evolution in the text books is a big numbers gatherer. Over all time Jesus has to win out.
But thats not the question, impact is the operative word.
Evolution does not change lives nor inspire changed lives. It is like a dead thing, producing no fruit.
Jesus changes lives and produces change in others lives.
Jesus has the biggest impact... well... the best impact!!
jesus has the bigger impact on the world
I see too much Magic and mystery complexity which lack reason
The magic tree of knowledge, for example.
Everyone on earth has the Y cell DNA in their blood from 200,000 years out of Africa and most people think this is true
yes all continents were joined together at one time, so i do not consider this as evidence against.
And i feel inclined to say, that after the dispersion of the garden inhabitants those who journeyed outside the area of the Flood, survived the flood and would be 'older' than Noahs clan, although Noahs clan stemmed from Adam as well.
What if the magic tree of knowledge were not a tree at all - is that a little less magic for you?
it all seem magic at first until we understand it well enough
Many members are driven to Christianity for the fear of magic hell, Now you don't believe in hell, why not grow up and go all the way by not needed to live by the Bible?
There is so much persuasive evidence for the bibles importance and it's truthfulness, that it would not be growing up to dismiss the bible. In fact, the bible was the major tool i used to learn that hell is not what the catholic doctrine says it is and i could not have discovered this without Gods foresight and diligent care to put a book about Him in front of me.
Number of times "Hell" appears in the text in English Bible Translations
Bible Translations"Authorized" King James Version *
Old Testament 31
New Testament 23
New King James Version
Before 1965: No Salvation outside the Catholic church!
If you now claim there is no Hell in your Bible, when there is, are you in contradiction or lying to yourself OR is the Bible lying? I too, once joined the a church being deeply concern with the wonders if I am wrong with the -:going to hell feelings.:
Now, I know it's a grand HOAX
You have fallen into the same arena with many Christian predecessors of old. They read the king james (today others read different versions) and looked at the words and applied the definition of hell - unbeknown to themselves the catholic definition of hell - and did not search out the proper meaning.
Hell begins to unravel itself with discovering that there are no fallen angels, again another catholic doctrine - we can see how this fallen angel idea might conform to the pagan beliefs of spirits etc. Hell begins to further unravel itself when the word grave is used in the Hebrew definition. Further persuasion can be found with words like perish, burnt up, chaff and destroy. A final unraveling occurs when we realize the mercy and love of God is not concerned with eternal punishing but rather, eternal punishment. The difference is a punishing continues and punishment is a one time event. When we realize that eternal is not always eternity or forever but rather an eon, age or set time period we cut another slice off the hell doctrine.
I have the advantage of a lack of indoctrination. Whereas many will and cannot accept that this now 1500 yr old doctrine is not correct and have no room to question such doctrine, they are simply not open to it.
God bless them. Belief in hell or not does not affect salvation although it gives a wonderful peace of mind and peace with God and through love not fear we come to Him.
After reading many of your posts you are mostly concerned with yourself and you don't want to change a thing. In your carnal world are all the desires you want and change is something that would demand in your opinion to much from you, therefore you balk. But remember the goodness of God and the joy there is in His ways.
Since the number of times the word hell is used one might want to know what word(s) replaced hell? You may be surprised to notice majorily it is the word grave. Let me know what you find out.
Can't imagine limiting my mind and heart to one group, I'm too much into sharing and loving all kinds.
Everyone can feel joy, it will never be same as yours.
If it's not a problem, may I ask a few questions of you?
The questions for Brotheryochanon, but I can ask you too.
1) When you took on a religious belief in the past, did you feel any sensation such as; Warmth, a tingly feeling and/or an over all sense of euphoria?
2) Do you believe what you felt was real or just a personal perception?
3) Do you think that the teachings of your respective religion, are pliable and applicable to all men?
4) Do you believe you fall short of God's glory or your own?
5) Do you feel that your religious affiliation permits the biased persecution of others?
6) Does your religion promise salvation through someone else or can you walk your own path?
7) Do you think that I could feel the exact same sensations you did when you first found your God?
8) Does your religious belief apply to everyone or just the members of your congregation?
9) Does your religion permit many or only one path?
1. Only personal perception, thought they might have an interesting social club
2. No, Had a bit of Satan concern and the church girl looked hot well dressed, then found out they could not answer my hard questions
4. Found out anyone could be Godlike
5. I only like to persuades people to be more friendlier, kinder and more loving
6. A Religion would be too limited thinking for me, I have always walk my talk or made adjust my action to do so and sins is regrettable luggage many people want to enslave w themselves with.
7. If you had the same sensations that I have for God , you would be feeling naturally happy too. Because everyone is God, which is not popular among atheist nor Religious folks
It would be interesting to see BO answers, at least funny.
obviously darwin...jesus's miracle is myth ...5k years down the line jesus would go horus or mitra way....darwin would live...
We could get totally off topic here but it would be nice to know what persuasive evidence you have to support your jesus's miracle is a myth. Perhaps a hub?
evidence is human psychology...Jesus is neither first virgin born...so it is repetative story...jesus was not first to walk on water...so it too is repetative story...then comes rising from death story...now this too is not unique it is repetative story....infact forget jesus , many where brought back from death by those perceived as god in other civilizations....so it is simple, if we take holistic view and unbiased view....why darwin would survive and jesus wont because jesus miracle is not first such story...it is deep inner carving of projecting some supernatural theme which is as old as humans itself...
I saw a lizard walk on water, maybe Jesus walked on ice
A virgin birth, no way
The sad part is that some people see that as fact and not metaphor.
@castle point here is not jesus walking on water...it is writers who wrote that jesus walked on water ...they were not first writers which shows how humans being taught in those times....
Neither one can match the impact made by a skydiver whose chute failed to open. That's something my jump instructor in the army told me and the other guys while we were packing our own chutes!
I know someone who could make everyone in the room see him levitate. He could also make you believe that you had been levitated. It's called hypnosis. On a crowd, it's called mass hypnosis.
Jesus is alive but darwin is dead... If you call on Jesus he will surely answer you provided you know when and how to talk to him but if you call darwin from morning till night nothing shows up either you call the name louldly or not because the darwin is dead and dead in body has no impact on earth.
Welcome to the forum pharuk
Jesus and Darwin are both great men and the World-historical individual is devoted to one Aim, that particular aims involve those large issues of the World-Spirit. All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree and the highest point in the development of a people is of their ideas. Body of work balanced with their ethic yet o law can be valid without the approval of all. World-Spirit uses for realizing its Idea involves the activity of personal existences in whom Reason is present; the unknown is the spirit world historically. In Darwin greatest is in his body of work in natures law.
Of course, why didn't I think of that before, it makes perfect sense why tens of thousands of children ask Jesus for food but starve to death instead. They didn't know how or when to ask Him.
Could you ask Jesus next time you talk with him to open up his calendar so we can see it and make appointments accordingly?
Oh well its not about appointment neither is it about sending anyone to Jesus.The right person you can send to Jesus is YOU.All you have to do is believe.
well time is literally measured by the birth of Jesus.
I doubt Darwin has done anything to that measure.
I live in Mayan country much of the time and the Mayan calendar is much more accurate than our calendar
Not good enough science....... again
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