Deliver Us from Evil (2006) is a documentary film directed by Amy J. Berg which tells the true story of Catholic priest Oliver O'Grady, who admitted to having molested and raped approximately 25 children inNorthern California between the late 1970s and early 1990s. The film won the Best Documentary Award at the 2006 Los Angeles Film Festivaland was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, losing to An Inconvenient Truth. The title refers to a line in theLord's Prayer.
wow..i just made the suggestion of money on someone who said clothes! Money's a really really good one...buuuuuut...I still think mine trumps it! we shall see. Maybe we'll take a vote on which is best!!
I think that things like greed tend to be motivated by fear (a fear of not having enough or being enough to be loved, what have you). I was thinking that by removing the mind set that creates the financial system and specifically money, you could remove the fear of lack or want that motivates greed. Perhaps a simpler solution would be to remove unnecessary or unwarranted fear. Fear itself can serve a purpose, its good to fear say a hungry lion not in a cage so we can't eliminate that but maybe to make it so that it is proportional to the actual risks?
Either way, when EF is online again, we shall have to break out the claret, you can drink mine tho as I am preggars and baby wouldn't like it
Evil creates evil, anger creates anger, those that deal death beget death, those that make war recieve war, those that commit attrocities recieve attrocity. Not so much in those words, but that is basically part of Sidhartha Gautama's teaching.
I would remove corruption of Leaders (politicians).
There shenanigans affect the whole country. They keep money in Swiss Accounts abroad and increase rates of oil etc as they please because they answer to no one. Even govt contracts are only awarded to their friends and family.
If corruption could be removed from the world - a lot of people will be able to live comfortably on their salary.
Have you ever seen any of these tribes where the people have never even seen money before let alone have to use it?
I wouldn't say that life is bliss for these people, illness and hunger can effect them just the same as it does the super rich in the developed world. The difference is, how their societies work, I wish I had had the tribal life that these people can have. When a child looses their parents, they aren't orphans left to make their own way in the world, the whole tribe becomes their family and everyone makes sure they learn the skills they need that they would have gotten from parents. It doesn't look like a very bad way of living at all to me, more of an all for one and one for all way to live and I think we are really missing out on something with our self centred monetary system. My only problem is my learned fear of spiders and other creepy crawlies!
If I could happily see them as food.... I could go tribal in an instant
Agriculture. Because it turned man into a slave toiling for taskmasters and now we are wage slaves to serve our mortgage and taxman masters. When we were hunter gatherers we were free..... Oh no I'm turning into a lentil knitting hippy.
So what would you use to buy stuff, if not money? Cowrie shells?
Edit: Using cowrie shells to buy stuff would mean that cowrie shells had become... money.
So it would be down to barter then. Good luck with that when you try and order stuff online.
Alternatively, we could appoint a committee to decide who was entitled to what commodity and how much, based on their "need". But I have a funny feeling that this would be woefully inadequate and inefficient, not to mention being open to massive abuse. Welcome to the aristocracy of pull.
First, kill off approximately 6 billion people...oh, that's right...that't the population of planet earth!!! Ever hear of sharing equally...grow for need, not for profit? Sure, you need everyone to be truly committed to the common good. To do it, you either need one world government. They...as in those who are in control...are already trying to do away with "money" as we know it, as there is also a move to directly link the U.S. economy into the Euro-system. WTO is part of that. If there is money and government, then government owns all money. In the sense in which I think, it is part of the money 'propagandists' method of enslavement, and the inability to see any other alternative evidence of it's totality.
Actually, I was advocating an ignorance free world. AND my original comment said nothing about a money free world. It was something to do with...If people can't buy food... sorry, geuss you can't read... so much for doing away with ignorance.
Not a world without money. A world without greed. We need money, or a battering tool. We do not need those greedy bastards that want it all, though. We all just need to survive, perhaps even flourish, we do not, however, need a life of luxury at the expense of others.
Ah, at last - at least you acknowledge that money is necessary. Without money, we would have to go back to barter which as I'm sure you realise, is woefully impractical unless you're able to live entirely off the land in a wholly local economy, without any modern new-fangled stuff like broadband or TV.
We would not all be here on this forum now, if it weren't for money. Money isn't an evil, it's a tool. You might as well say that an axe is evil because people occasionally kill each other with axes.
It's just that there were so many people who came on this thread before you, who seemed to think if we could just wave a magic wand and get rid of money, it would be a wonderful thing. Hence the "at last" part when I responded to your post.
When if people would just take a moment to try and figure out how a world without money would actually work they'd hopefully realise that it wouldn't be wonderful at all. We'd be living in a totalitarian nightmare, assuming a system without money could ever be made to function on a large scale.
In fact, I would like to come to the defence of money and say that it's one of the last bastions of freedom. At any rate, it's a tool that can be used for good or ill. You don't ascribe a moral value to a tool (not most tools anyway).
The few surviving tribes in some of the most isolated places are the example, they are doing it for real and have done for thousands and thousands of years. Its not an easy life, this I can agree with but at least the hard stuff is not inflicted by other humans. Life will always be hard no matter what so I don't think we can say that life would be easier living by a tribal system its just that the hardship will be from more 'natural' problems that you have hardship, instead of at the hands of other humans. To me that is what constitutes evil, the creation of unnecessary hardship for others and so much of what motivates us to do this is this concept of ownership that is a must for money systems to work.
I guess the trade off is, we live simple lives in simple communities who all care about each other but we never make it to the moon, never cure cancer or any of the other modern day stuff we have, but we can all make our own homes and forage for food without needing money. Or we accept that all the great stuff of the modern day comes at a price, an invitation to what I consider evil and try to work hard to keep it as under control as possible. A never ending battle but one that might be worth it? I guess that is a better question then what evil to get rid of, what would we loose if we just removed evil instead of remaining vigilant against it?
That last question you posed is the eternal conundrum, isn't it? I've long thought that in crusading to remove evil one runs the risk of turning into the very thing one is campaigning against. Particularly if you adopt an "end justifies the means" mindset.
When it comes to living the tribal lifestyle in simple communities, there are many people who would probably love to do just that. But there are at least as many (and I'm one of them) who are filled with horror at the very idea. I like my broadband and central heating, thanks very much! In order to go completely back to the tribal thing, a lot of us would have to be coerced into it, either by actual force or by massive, restrictive legislation. It would be a case of "ends justify the means" which as I said above is the road to perdition IMO.
Voluntary simplicity is a great idea, as long as it is genuinely voluntary.
For all those people who still believe in eliminating money, all I can say is "be careful what you wish for".
I wonder if there have ever been any non-tribal societies that didn't have money? I can't think of a single one, every other social construct seems to have a system of currency, be it beads or coins or paper money. This idea of something of realistically speaking no value representing something of actual value is an odd one to me.
Oh wait! Star Trek didn't have money! They look pretty good to me (sadly they are totally fictional LOL)
I think you hit the nail on the head with the thought 'do the ends justify the means?'. As they say 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'. And for you my tribal dream is your hell so I guess you don't have to buy me a ticket to some remote region of the world where people have never seen money yet
Mandatory lobotomies. To rid the world of man's inhumanity to man (part of his ignorance, by the by) you first would have to rid the world of man. As long as two stand, one will try to subjugate the other. Everyone here seems to focus on money. Money is a strong impetus to do bad things, not sure how well it works as an impetus to do good things. Courts still out. If ignorance is allowed to destroy our world...all the money in existence won't buy you one more second.
I didn't read this thread all the way through, but I'd like to remove greed. As a former politician. I can honestly say, hand on heart, that every politician I know started out with the good of the people at heart.
Somewhere along the line they got greedy, and power-hungry.
That's it, end of story, they have fulfilled their need without fulfilling their electoral promises.
If every politician on this earth fulfilled their electoral promises, we would live in a better world.
Don't they just? What sickens me most in the UK that those who passed laws to prevent our young people from being able to afford a university education, were those who had one. Tony Blair's 'socialist' government if I remember right. My daughter at that time had just started university. She lasted a year! One of the UK's bright young ones who couldn't pay for it, and neither could we. I'm glad she dropped out rather than go on the game as many other young ones had to.
They did go on the game though, too, didn't they? Blair, I hate that man so much, "socialist" really? I think we lived through the days of the poll tax riots and what Thatcher the fascist would have hoped was a wasted youth, became the youth that saw right through them. Shame they've all had to make so may sacrifices though.
Liberals, progressives and democrats. Sorry i just couldn't come up with one. They are the epitomy of greed. They want something they don't have and are willing to take it from others at any cost, including the cost to our freedom. No one is declined an education in this country. I have worked hard for every penny I have earned in my life and begrudge no one who has more than me. Liberals want what others have and do not want to work for it. I will be leaving the forum now. Please feel free to attack my comments with your foolishness as is your wont to do regularly.
Castlepaloma: I do not frequent the forums much because they are usually full of hateful liberals. Yours was the most pleasant response I have ever received in the forums. Thank you. I believe in giving credit where credit is due and only where credit is due. You are due kind sir!
I remember driving my taxi and listening to the radio program giving me a live accounts of how young women worked 2or 3 jobs every night while at uni. It gave them money to pay their way through uni but most ended up dropping out because they became too tired. Then there was accounts from the girls who turned to prostitution who possibly never completed their studies either. One girl did. As a fully qualified accountant, she was offered a starting salary of 20K, but she was already earning 40k as a high class prostitute. So she turned the work down. Thing is, when she grows too old and ugly for her chosen career, she will still have accountancy to fall back on. Not saying all accountants are like this...
Sometimes it's not a matter of preferring to be blind sheep (although this is certainly done in large numbers).
In the case of a new independent and self-sufficient society, it would matter a great deal that each individual knows their role. Some are leaders in certain fields, others are not. Let each to his own strong suit and the society runs with efficiency.
(Of course, this is assuming there is no separation of class, as in my New Government Plan.)
Did you just look at the pictures? Medievil would imply class structure and favoratism. A ruling class would govern the 'people'. This plan requires that everyone support the community with their labor and recieve an equal share of the profits and resources. Completely equal per person. There are no slackers allowed and there is no hard labor for anyone. Elders are respected and given the role as leaders, not required to do manual labor. Children of a certain age are given choices as to their life interests. Individuals can pursue any profit making project they want with few restrictions. What's medievil about that?
Many of these evils listed sad to say have purpose and provide a necessary resource for the overall survival of mankind. Taking away many of these evils listed would have devastating effects on the planet and on the human race.
I was thinking the same thing... Without evil there would be no balance. I'm not in favor of any evil but I'm not in favor of a boring meaningless life without conflict. Without conflict there is no desire to improve and without improvement humankind is doomed.
If I could remove just one evil from the world it would be Carolyn M. Young. There. I've said her name. Carolyn M. Young is the supposed "fiduciary" (paid professional) on my mother-in-law's trust. She has taken over making our lives a living hell where my evil sister-in-law Lynn Morris-Hall left off. Out of the frying pan (SIL as successor trustee) into the fire (CMY as successor trustee).
If you ever have a choice, do not ever let greedy, unscrupulous, vindictive people anywhere near your family money. Or your loved ones.
Hi Castlepaloma, I interpreted the OP literally. Not to remove one worldly evil, but to remove one evil from the world. The world. My world. Same thing, right? Think globally, act locally. With that evil eradicated I would work my way out in concentric rings of evil.
I'd love to be back at West End II (Jones Beach, LI). Beam me up! Never actually did dance to bongos at the beach, did you? I assumed, however, that that is how everyone in California lived. Annette Funicello and the Beach Boys. Groovy times.
Yes, it was California, 1974. Not really all that long ago. Although as one person pointed out to me, it was 37 years ago. Well, jeez, when you put it that way. But I'm a Jersey girl born and raised. Ever get into the city? Remember the Purple Onion and the Limelight? How about Studio 54?
Castlepaloma ~ I think we do indeed need to attend to ourselves, to keep ourselves (internally and externally) in a place where we can aid others, etc - but, I think the oft heard notion that 'we have to love ourselves first if we're going to love others' type sentiment is misleading or misplaced . . . being content about, satisfied with, loving ourself, etc, is (I think) supposed to be a kind of base norm, the idea that what we need to learn and do is love ourself is, again, misleading and misplaced - we need to get over ourselves and learn to love others.
It's like, to me, saying that the evil of the KKK is the hatred they practice toward green, that they butcher trees so they can burn crosses - that is certainly a waste of a natural wonder and resource, but it's not the evil that needs tended to first and foremost regarding the KKK. Yes, we need to be emotionally sound and own a right sense of self, etc, but when we announce that 'we need to love ourselves if we are going to love others' I think we miss the real issue that hinders us - what we need is to overcome our own self-interest and learn to love others.
I don't think any particular percentage of attention given to our own needs compared to the needs of others is right or wrong, the young entrepreneur, laborer, or whatever needs first to tend to his own immediate responsibilities, take care of those under his care revealing other's resources to go to those in need and then contributing what he can. selfishness isn't necessarily about how much you take or how much you give, but why you do what you do . . . some work hard and give much to charity, not so that those in need will be revealed from hurt but so that others will think well of them - that is selfishness, thinking of your own desires and interests above the welfare of others.
All one has in life, is what one gives Away One cannot give away, what one does not have today All one has is love for the world in any which way
To master life, is to love oneself and what one dose everyday Being Best self and being best doctor is at bay and sometimes to pay I won't forget the best part of you, or attention to your group is here to stay
Ones soul is millions parts of one; we are the ultimate soul master of our own soul domain A 1000 Religion want to take One Soul away and give punishment of pain Do not take A whole one soul who do not give’s, allow one to give it all away with heart then brain
Must share with all, must learn something New Every dream is with team and the whole world is my Family dew Love is the answer and kindness is the way all for one, one for all, means you too
Changes is our enlighten stream...My game of love is to give it all away Give love to nature, to love everyone as team, to love Stars can blow your mind away Our Souls is first a love beam, as true love comes, One gives it all away
War. I think countries who go around killing each other over ideas, is stupid an un-necessary. If we eliminate war, the fear and all the things that come from it would go away as well. There would also be no need for the insanely deadly weapons that can kill thousands in onme swoop. I could go on, but then I would just be venting.
My second choice would be money. People has this idea that if we did not have money we would never have the drive to succeed, and nothing would ever get done. Well, we seem to be doing just fine with the whole were in debt going on trillions of invisible dollars that we don't have, and that thing called credit that never gets paid, and is seemingly never ending. So what do we need it for? I think we would be just fine without it.
As Yoda says. You must unlearn what you have learned.
World wide suicide kills more people than all war, murder and terrorist combined
WAR is only at number 59ht place on the list of actually direct death, of most cause of death. Over all the number one greatest cause of death is poverty causing illnesses world wide and if we took a fraction of the war budget which is the greatest waste, most expensive cost and solves nothing It would conquer most of the problem of poverty. I think War is a stronger evil than murder
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Remove just one evil from the world I still think my answer of Absence of Reason is the grandest evil to get rid of , of all
Lying is a good one, the greatest pass time in North America is lying. Good thing I've got a good BS detector for the degrees of lying to protect myself.
It boils down to just 2 commandment 1. Be Honest 2. Do not harm
Some how, harm is more physical and worst than lying and still feel they fall under the umbrella of Absence of Reason, which then falls under a pretend world court of Justice. Which in nature justice dose not work unless we give a healthy reason to degrees behind everything we do.
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