I've had a change of heart - don't think Trump's supporters ignorant
I've known for quite a while that Trump supporters weren't uneducated. In reality, 55% of college voters went for Trump, most men did, and the average income of Trump voters was/is $72,000 per year. Hardly poor. They were generally business owners.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … fault.html
Plus you can read my article which accesses more (The Trump Culture) links to various studies, statistics, etc.
I think I would say, instead, that they are either short sighted and unwise, or they want more than they already have.
There is the perception that business is the only system that enables life to survive on earth. That's not true. Business is just another method of production and distribution, and it is production and distribution that enables life on earth (well, for human beings).
Just saying.
Who, exactly, thinks business enables life to survive on earth? The deer or the buffalo?
Also, human life would lumber on without production and distribution systems.Good job giving them a platform for proclaiming their brilliance, Tess. I especially enjoyed this comment, "Wow... what world are you speaking about?"
I pretty much have them grouped into four categories:
1) Bernie men & women who were filled with spite about the underhanded way the dems tried to keep the nomination from Bernie - as if his 100% FREE everything would actually win the election. The GOP tried to do the same thing to get rid of Trump, except they didn't do anything 'underhanded' (that we know of - its not like they are angels). GOP mostly just outright bashed him #NeverTrump It didn't work & Trump ended up hijacking them - kind of like Obama hijacked dems in 2008, except he had much more support within the dem party than Trump did within the GOP.
2) GOP faithful who absolutely cannot vote any other way because their *sshole politicians keep manipulating them by squeezing their hearts on the subjects of abortion & 'matters of faith' that they claim to care exclusively about. Has anyone else ever noticed how much GOP is 'against regulations' & 'big government' - while their verson of 'freedom' creates laws & regulations surrounding things that SHOULD be an individual's decision: like abortion.
3) People who are simply swayed by hype. Trump was an exciting candidate, after all - and some people are impressed by shiney loud things that say mean stuff to cause a commotion. These people also probably support the tabloids.
4) Your basic misogynists who couldn't stand the thought of 'that woman' being in the office - despite that her experience as a politician far outweighed Trump's; and her 'scandals' were TAME compared to most every other MALE politician before her - and certainly MUCH more insignificant than Trump's. You should all be worshipping fake news as The Bible along with the ground Comey walks on, LoL!
I'm not sure how stupid that makes any of them, but 'smart' isn't the first word that comes to mind - especially since Trump hasn't done much to impress me, yet. He's SO far out of touch with everyone aside from his minority of supporters; and so far, his lack of knowledge about 'how things work' and general inexperience has been pretty damn glaring.
The one good thing that I thought MIGHT come from a Trump presidency hasn't happened, and looks unlikely: Get in that office - and tell us honestly (is that possible?) what's really wrong with it; and our systems of government - and how we can realistically improve them in this day & age. THAT might have been helpful.
Right... cuz Trump supporters are innocent & pure with their judgements of anyone who doesn't have the intelligence to have supported him. I mean, really... does anyone else remember their 'no more PC! rhetoric JUST so they could be free to insult the entire rest of the country? T-fans followed a manipulative man who made this bed, and now they get to sleep with him in it. Sorry, I don't even sort of envy you - although I do feel a little sorry for many white women who voted for him & are just now beginning to realize the implications of that, and regret it. He's a manipulative skunk.
This is actually a pretty good article; and I've been saying some of this stuff for awhile, now. Trump has pretty much screwed the GOP. I'm not sure why I care so much - because I certainly wasn't a fan of them before Trump won. Still, it feels a little like watching someone running over the kid of someone you don't really like - of course you still have compassion for them.
Before This Is Over, Republicans Are Going to Wish Hillary Clinton Won
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 … n-won.html
A splash: "The president is too ignorant of policy — he simply agrees with whomever he spoke with last — to even conduct basic policy negotiations with friendly members of Congress who want him to succeed. Nor does Trump know enough to even identify competent people to whom he can delegate his work. He’s a rank amateur who listens and delegates to other amateurs. (In a normal administration, the hilariously broad portfolio charged to his political novice son-in-law would be seen not as a joke but as a crisis.)
And all of this assumes a relatively straight-line political path. Trump has not yet faced a crisis that isn’t of his own making, as every presidency does with regularity. Trump’s partisan opponents cannot be gleeful at the fallout from an erratic, uninformed president and an understaffed Executive branch trying to manage a major calamity. Partisan politics in a two-party system is a zero-sum exercise. But the world is not a zero-sum place. One Republican staffer, dismayed by Trump’s flailing, told Ezra Klein, “If we get Gorsuch and avoid a nuclear war, a lot of us will count this as a win.”
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Have you been watching the developing 'Assad/Syria' stuff, today? Trump is 'changing his mind...'
IF he didn't have every damn thing he thinks he knows everything about LABELED as being 'riduclous Obama mentality' - he would have come into that office with an open mind and the intention of 'getting things right' instead of trying to 'prove himself right'. (Is anyone else getting really sick of him blaming absolutely EVERYTHING on Obama?!)
Yes, please... explain to me just how qualified he is & what a wonderful job he's doing...
It figures you would completely evade the article 'splash' or the Syria/Assad stuff in my response while playing the high & mighty role. Wouldn't want to insert the concepts of logic or common sense into the potus office, would we? Who needs stuff like that? LoL!
I realize that not all white women who voted for Trump regret it - most of you are no-doubt very proud of that fact (and even if you aren't anymore, I don't think you'd admit it) - plus, I continue to be chided by them for 'having things so wrong' and 'being so mean' - whatever. I'm beyond trying to remain appropriate or PC.
You're right, Trump did win. I, and a whole bunch of other people are not the least bit impressed by him, so far. He's removed the safety regulations on big business & banks that were put in place for VERY GOOD REASONS after the economic almost-implosion in 2008. He's also recently removed important environmental protection regulations. AND he's made some seriously questionable decisions - such as putting his Son-in-Law in charge of so much (as stated, among other concerning things, in the article clip I included, above). Is anyone else here comfortable with that? He wasn't a politician, either. And that is just one example...
This Syria/Assad stuff... He brushed Assad's BS off because it 'wasn't our problem'; chalking US concerns about him up to 'ridiculous Obama thinking' instead of taking the Syrian issue seriously in the first place - cuz HE knows everything and doesn't have to get input from anyone who holds positions in the departments he makes sweeping decisions over.
How anyone can insist he has been doing a good job is beyond me. I chalk it all up to him being a successful manipulator of roughly 1/3rd of the people in this country. He's like a disease 1/3 of our people caught!
While I can certainly see how/why Trump has all his supporters so twitterpated - don't expect to receive much respect for it until if/when he ever actually does something that merits it. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you - at least, not while he still has access to his Twitter account, LoL!
Ah - business! That explains it - the fuzzy subjects require only scholarship, the ability to read and memorize, rather than true learning and intelligence. My son received an MBA (first masters in the extended family), but it was a huge disappointment that he will never be an Einstein, understanding and explaining the universe. Only doodling in company books and cracking the whip over wage slaves; he could have been so much more!
Seriously though, there are three classes of "successful" students: the rich, those with influence of one kind or another, and the hard workers. Only the last actually learns something and the willingness to work is far more important than a high IQ.
Your post and article could benefit from some accurate facts. I looked at the exit polling data from 6 news organizations, Fox, CNN, NBC, USA Today, Washington Post, and NY Times. There was practically no disagreement with the findings, except for a handful of discrepancies of +/- 1% which I assume is a rounding issue. See below.
Your statement, "In reality, 55% of college voters went for Trump"
- No, Trump received either 42% or 43% of college educated voters, while Hillary received 52%. For voters without a college education, Trump received either 51% or 52% while Hillary received 44%. When the polling data was broken into smaller segments, Trump was 51% high school or less, 51% some college/associates, 44% college graduate, and 37% postgraduate.
"...the average income of Trump voters was/is $72,000 per year."
- Cited directly from your article.
First, I hope you understand how a median measurement is much more reliable than an average, which is vulnerable to outliers. For example, if you have a group of 20 people, 19 of which earn $40k each, and 1 person who earned $5 million, the average income is $288k. Anyone who is citing average is a tourist at best and more likely trying to mislead readers.
Second, in the article which discusses voter incomes, the problems begin in the first line. "Two-thirds of voters making less than $50,000 yearly voted for Clinton". In a rare case of Fox News and CNN agreeing on something, Hillary received 53% of the voters with incomes under $50k. Much more interesting is from the Washington Post, where incomes over $100k were split evenly, 47% to each Clinton and Trump. Where Trump won out was the $50k - $100k segment. Your article's second sentence, "Trump's voters skew wealthy" is sadly, without any factual basis. I'll just go ahead and say it, you're reading fake news.
Third, and frankly, the funniest part. Right after your article said $72,000 a year, it then made three amazing statements.
1. "It's surpassingly unlikely..." is hardly a follow up to a specific average income
2. "We don't have solid data..."
3. "...but we can infer..."
I'll check out your other "statistics", but I have a feeling they will be laughable as well.Its a well-known fact by this time that the number & kinds of people Trump was able to manipulate into voting for him fall under several categories, not just one - such as 'uneducated'. I've already written a response in here that narrows them into four general categories, including 'elitists' and educated folks. You each have your own reasons for being dazzled by him.
Pretty much anyone who is a consistent Fox-only media listener or anyone whose mind is suseptible to brainwashing. *I* actually don't watch TV; but I read Fox News along with lots of other sources so as not to be deceived by any media's swaying tactics. Its just a common-sense thing to do; and it always has been - they are all guilty of 'reporting' for themselves.
However, I will say this for Trump after the missile strikes in Syria... Despite that I think it might have been a good idea to wait for an investigation (for someone who is so suspicious of fake news, he sure seemed to pull the trigger fast)... It DOES look like the man actually has the capability to FEEL for other people. If we don't end up causing a war over this, I would chalk that up to a good thing.
Go ahead... tell me how shallow I am again; cuz it is so convincing.
Thank you for proving my points above... Anyone who blames everything on leeberals (and moderates, which is what I am) has allowed their minds to be brainwashed.
Note how surprised, disappointed and downright ANGRY many of Trump's supporters are now over him bombing Syria because they voted for 'America first' - NOT to become entangled in the messes of other countries. Many of them feel that he acted on fake news, anyway; because you all THINK you know SO MUCH MORE than people whose job it is to know these things.
I've been saying this for a long time - In the end, there is ONLY ONE GOVERNMENT in that office no matter whose guy holds the office of POTUS. The only small difference is how much that person actually also cares about 'we the people'. War makes us money and that is really all our politicians seem to care about. Quite frankly, I've been suspicious of how deep our divisions have gotten from the beginning - its like someone has been trying to make them unbearable on purpose, as if it has all been part of a bigger 'manipulative' plan. If that is the case, SOME of us need to stop jumping through their hoops.
This was one of our anti-Trump concerns - that his 'hot' egotistical head would set off a fireball and start something ugly. The surprise is, he supposedly did this because someone showed him pictures and he found his heart - kind of like the Grinch, ha! While that is a commendable thing (finding your heart); that isn't necessarily the sole perspective we want him acting on either if it turns out to be too soft. Now opening up room for some refugees to come through as we promised, would be a very good thing.
Btw, the manipulative reasons people voted for Trump really don't have much to do with Hillary beyond media manipulation. Be proud of your wishy-washy mind and continue to defend your thinking. I mean, really... What else can you do?
Actually, I'm not against Trump bombing Syria. I'll guess you didn't actually read what I wrote, as usual. I know its hard for peeps like you. I think it is a judgement that needs to be made in the future. I was reporting on what many of Trump's rabid supporters - yeah, the really really intense ones - are saying. Its kind of a shame that you only read pro-Trump news. There were also a couple anti-Trump tags from former supporters up on Twitter for the whole day and maybe still. I haven't been keeping up.
Plus, the protests are not only from liberal-pacifists who voted for him - they are alt-right-wingers who voted for Trump because they wanted him to reel America back in from being 'out there' in the rest of the world's business. America First, remember? They want this country to roll back to a time when we were not so involved in other people politics & wars.
I didn't make any of that up. Go check it out.
This is yet another problem... Trump supporters are incapable of seeing anything he's done wrong; and can only accuse MODERATE (oh yes!) people like me of the most ridiculous things. I've made all kinds of really good points in here; but in the end, I'm pretty much talking to walls.
Here is a new one from me on racism. Oh, I know... most of the T-fans in here are not racists. You're all good people with level heads who would never engage in such a hateful activity. However, you also see absolutely nothing Trump-perpetuated when things like racism happen because of his hate-rhetoric during his campaign. It is probably the main reason people protest against him - because he emboldened racists; and you're all just fine with that. Maddening.
I've said this before and I'll keep saying it... The kind of 'change' Trump supporters have sought out at any cost is downright stupid; and it is why people keep accusing you of it. Blubber on and complain about Obama all you want... He didn't instigate hate by doing anything other than having a different skin color than your's, along with a suspicious, SCARY name.
And to the person in here who insisted that the Middle East is all Obama's fault - F*CK YOU!! Is there no one here who remembers the GOP trying to convince us all that we NEEDED to attack Iraq based on false documents - and then, they went ahead and bombed it anyway; and found NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
Why would they do something like that? Because WAR is PROFITABLE!!! And since Trump has re-infested the swamp with a similar war regime - people have been worried, and now even moreso after what they see as a hasty attack on Syria. (For being suspicious of fake news, he did seem to pull that trigger fast.)
You can be sure that is still a big thorn in our relationships among the people over there, today.
Here's the racism story. This stuff will NEVER be okay in this country EVER again; and it is one of the main reasons why you will continue to see me in places like this until this chapter in our country is done being told.
- "Its why we have Trump"
http://nypost.com/2017/04/07/its-why-we … ian-guest/
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago
0 *Applause*
Unfortunately, Trump's many personal, business & sexual scandals are not something that seems to have remotely mattered to t-fans before voting for him. Hillary's relatively tame past in comparison to both him & most any other male politician before her was of course a big deal but that's different - she is female.
"So, tired of listening to lies of liberals... "
Yeah well, so tired of listening to t-fans and their alternative facts.
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How many Bernie voters carried the same notion as you? They hated her as much as the GOP does for the same reasons.
The problem is... This perspective of Hillary is also a media bias. Hillary has been bashed because of Bill for decades; and many - especially younger voters - have been listening to the newcasts of their conservative parents for a lot longer than any of them realize. It is really amazing to me how many people literally HATE 'that woman' - its so amazing! Don't like her policies, dislike her because she is a dem, etc... but HATE her the way that so many do... That's media manipulation.
In reality, HRC's 'scandals' were no worse than (and were, in fact, TAME) compared to the majority of her male political peers; and her wrap sheet is certainly much shorter than Trump's when you compare them - and that's not saying anything about how much her decades of experience would have counted in that post.
Believe it or not, this is the main reason why most people have a hard time believing that anyone could have voted for Trump, LoL!
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