I've had a change of heart - don't think Trump's supporters ignorant

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 7 years ago

   The Trump presidency is anything but pretty. But my oh my how much prettier it is than anything Mrs. Clinton could have put together. She was the entitled candidate. It was HER TURN. She neglected the states that mattered because it was HER TURN.
   
   Her election was entirely rigged in her favor because it was HER TURN. The entire mass media was behind her because it was HER TURN. So I thank our lucky stars for those reasons, and oh so many more, that Hillary Clinton is not my president, and will never ever be.

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      Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Listen... there are plenty of people out there who think Trump will be removed, and Hillary will then be made President... because its HER TURN damn it!!!
      
      PS - I actually prefer it when someone I am corresponding with states something along those lines, because it informs me they are completely out of touch with how our system of government works, to say nothing of other realities... and to not waste my time.

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      Sharlee01posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Loved your honesty. Well said

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   Oztinatoposted 7 years ago

   Hardcore Donald supporters are obviously closet and openly racist plus the greediest of the rich.
   Each day passing reveals that Donald is imploding mentally on tv and Twitter.
   I predict there will soon be a major health fail for the demented Donald and/or a bigger psychotic episode on tv. There have already been a number of minor Live psychotic episodes.

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      Sharlee01posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Please check out President Trump's Facebook page. he gives a daily itinerary, and daily updates.  Time to check out what he is doing first hand, not what he isn't doing, reported with nothing but bias innuendos.

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   A liberal change of heart,      a coronary improbability given the biased nature of their very existence .

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      Sharlee01posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It shocked me too. LOL

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   SherrieWeynandposted 7 years ago

   I won't say they were necessarily dumb, I'll keep that opinion to myself, I will say that on top of greed, many were given that platform they long craved. Bigotry became okay. Mocking the disabled became okay. Hate... became okay.
   
   While politicians have long been shady and full of lies, never has this country bore witness to a presidential candidate openly promoting violence.
   
   This country has been shunned by other nations, including allies, and has now been denied the opportunity to speak before the British Parliament. That, speaks volumes.

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      Sharlee01posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You want stunning, and an example of what other nations felt about Obama. Here  is in full his final speech to the UN. I was pleased to find it, because I actually listened to it on TV the day he gave it. I was shocked to see not one applause. One could here a pin drop. Now this is sad, and I would say, President Trump has a lot of nation building to do. It's time to face some truths and move on. Obama did not open the door to our allies he preached down to them, he pushed his agenda, and care less about anyone else's. His first speech to the UN he received 12 standing ovations.... His last Zero response of any kind. This is proof of other nations disdain. And Trump never hired thug to cause violence, and property damage as did Hillary Clinton.   So, tired of listening to lies of liberals...   Over it    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji6pl5Vwrvk

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         Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not sure if you've done much public speaking, but when someone says "you could have heard a pin drop" during a speech, it's usually a compliment - the fact that people aren't all chattering away but are actually listening.
         
         However, the point you are making is that there wasn't any applause.  That doesn't surprise me and it has NOTHING to do with how other nations view Obama.   It has to do with the content of his speech.  He made points which would have made those listening uncomfortable - talking about Russia's actions in the Crimea and China's human rights records, and saying that nations needed to address inequality etc.   Many of those listening wouldn't have liked hearing home truths.  Simple as that.
         
         Rightly or wrongly, Obama is still widely respected in the UK, Europe and Australasia, whereas Trump is regarded as a dangerous buffoon.   In Scotland in particular, he is regarded as a nasty, vindictive, lying businessman with no respect for ordinary people, due to his dreadful treatment of the local population during his construction of his golf course there (this is something I have personal experience of, so don't tell me not to believe what I read in the papers!).

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            Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            *Applause*
            
            Unfortunately, Trump's many personal, business & sexual scandals are not something that seems to have remotely mattered to t-fans before voting for him. Hillary's relatively tame past in comparison to both him & most any other male politician before her was of course a big deal but that's different - she is female.
            
            "So, tired of listening to lies of liberals... "
            
            Yeah well, so tired of listening to t-fans and their alternative facts.
            
            

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               Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Hillary's tame past?  I'd be curious to hear which parts you have decided to white wash.
               
               Just kidding. Not curious. Not even remotely interested.

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                  Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  You are now where I am.  Welcome.

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                     Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Isn't it sad? For us?

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   Average college grad , what ?   22 yr.s old   ,$ 150,000 - $200,000 in debt ?   Living somewhere in the basement  or  shacked up with eight other dudes .   ummmmm?  I sure wish I was that bright .

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   Why don't liberals for once  just admit honestly that they hate trump  and  create any and all issues falsely ,  it is so obviously immature  and   it comes out so blatantly childish , Not one  honest and genuine  accusation has amounted to anything but a sophomoric  safe space whimpering of a dying party.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ahorseback, I have only one personal experience of Trump and I know what happened.  I am not making it up.

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         Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I understand that completely. My one experience with Hillary flavored my opinion of all of her actions subsequent to that. Which is why I decided to give Trump a shot. Unfortunately, those who live in the public eye and seek to gain more money in the process will step on more than a few toes along the way.

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   Liberals seem to have a huge problem blaming  everything except the fact that Hilary cannot take in enough Clinton foundation money to even BUY  enough female votes , enough minority votes , enough Muslim votes , or enough y niave younger  votes,   Even the purchasing of the  mafia run DNC  or the  world famous Left-stream media .   No.............It just has to be the Russians fault ,   how totally story -book fake is this  whole conglomeration  of events ? Perhaps when the Russians throw their hands up and say  "please stop it ,we feel guilty "   we can move on ?    ...Nah  , it wouldn't happen then either .
   
   Lame .........

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   SherrieWeynandposted 7 years ago

   In all honesty, HRC had no place nor business being in office. As a liberal (proud one at that) I can say that she had too much dirt on her hands to be in there, not to mention there was much more.
   
   Don't get excited though, because Trump doesn't belong there either. I won't say everyone that voted for him is racist or bigoted or anything else, but he did give those that are a very open platform. You know, how people say "liberals always do this..." It's the same thing.
   
   Both have dirt they can't get out of, we're in a mess and the BS of everyone keeping the divide but calling liberal this, republican that, isn't going to help.

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      Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Nicely stated.

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      Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      How many Bernie voters carried the same notion as you? They hated her as much as the GOP does for the same reasons.
      
      The problem is... This perspective of Hillary is also a media bias. Hillary has been bashed because of Bill for decades; and many - especially younger voters - have been listening to the newcasts of their conservative parents for a lot longer than any of them realize. It is really amazing to me how many people literally HATE 'that woman' - its so amazing! Don't like her policies, dislike her because she is a dem, etc... but HATE her the way that so many do... That's media manipulation.
      
      In reality, HRC's 'scandals' were no worse than (and were, in fact, TAME) compared to the majority of her male political peers; and her wrap sheet is certainly much shorter than Trump's when you compare them - and that's not saying anything about how much her decades of experience would have counted in that post.
      
      Believe it or not, this is the main reason why most people have a hard time believing that anyone could have voted for Trump, LoL!
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      

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   Sharlee01posted 7 years ago

   Not sure you have been following the current news. Hillary actually made a statement of support fro Presidents Trump's action in Syria.  Plus it was the Obama administration that pretty much caused the entire Middle East conflict. Hillary claimed that she was on board with taking Assad out when he crossed the red line. In my opinion, I would rather help the people of Syria, there has been over 500 thousand killed. This is pure genocide, and America in the past would have never turned its back on this form of killing... Could you fo a moment put yourself in the place of a Syrian that watched their loved ones die in this horrendous manner. Would you pray that someone would offer some form of help? Please view this CNN report. A Syrian man gives his thanks to ut president for helping.
   http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/04 … ump-nr.cnn

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      SherrieWeynandposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      "Plus it was the Obama administration that pretty much caused the entire Middle East conflict." Please tell me you did not say that. Obama screwed up with Syria, no doubt, but, the Middle East has been in conflict forever. This all began long before Obama was ever in office. I don't support Obama and things he did, but for someone to say he caused the entire conflict over there...ludicrous. You're smarter than that.

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         GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Hello SherrieWeynand, your forum participation, (that I have seen), seems to represent a voice of reason.  I am not sure we will always see eye-to eye, but I do  hope you hang around. I look forward to the chance to argue specifics. So stop being so cautious in your perspectives.
         
         GA

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      As to Syria ,   Hilary also said Trump could have acted in a  more positive light in the refugee crisis , She turned ideologically against him anyway , The refugee crisis was mostly  created by the Obama -Clinton regime to begin with ,   the  Syrian refugees would not have had to travel the world to begin with if there had been a protected safe zone -THERE in Syria . She is craftily trying to gain political mileage  for  Chelsea at this point .
      
      Political statement or not , the Obama administration delved into a mess the moment they attempted any foreign policy at all.
      
      ".......Plus it was the Obama administration that started ,......................"  Syria , Libya , Iran , Iraq --- No Obama - Clinton didn't start the middle eastern problems BUT  they threw plenty of  gasoline  on the desert campfires over there , whether you admit that or not ! And   It WAS   their disastrous policies in the middle east that  fueled a new wildfire all over the middle east .
      
      Trump drops rockets on the Russian puppet;,  Another thing we're not talking about here is  the Russian - Putin connection  This entire Syrian  connection  disproves any Russian -Trump love-fest .

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    SherrieWeynandposted 7 years ago

    Thanks GA,
    
    Not cautious... medicated and fresh out of surgery. Not to mention $#%/@&* tired of liberal this, conservative that. We are stuck in this would together whether we like it or not. That said - if I'm anyone's voice of reason - we're in deep trouble.  Thanks for the welcome.

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       GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Sherrie, your response  indicates your surgery went well, I hope that is the case. However, there is a very deep Liberal vs. Conservative divide - obvious in not only these forums, bit in most  public forums as well.
       
       The reality is not in tweets, or faceboolk posts.  It is in the results of the ballot box. Here's to hoping our conversations help reinforce the motives of those that do vote.
       
       GA

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    SherrieWeynandposted 7 years ago

    Agreed, the ballot box being something more people need to make use of.
    
    Surgery went well, can't speak for the moment so I'm sure my kid will be pleased for a few days.

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    ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

    Things that do not matter as to Trumps Victory ;
    
    - Income of Trump voters
    - Left-stream  Media interpretation of Trump victory
    - Education levels of Trump voters
    - Outside influences in Trump victory
    - Popular vote #'s
    
    *The income levels, seriously ?  That's virtually a non-issue.
    *The left-stream media couldn't tell you  the truth in the election , why would they now ?
    *Education levels - seriously ? For once the little guy won !
    *Outside "influences" are ALWAYS there . That doesn't mean they fixed the voting machines .
    *Popular voting is great in high school , A national election is  far more complicated  for the STATES .

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       Sharlee01posted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Sweet and simple, good common sense, well put....

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       wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       "*Outside "influences" are ALWAYS there . That doesn't mean they fixed the voting machines ."
       
       Those evil Russians didn't need to fix the machines - they used mind control, sending mind waves around the world don't ya know!  Next time I'm wearing my tin foil cap!

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          ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          As usual , I guess there is no need to introduce fact into a forum right ?   The anti-  Trumpets  are just not going to swallow an ounce of reality ,   You're right  Tin foil hats ,Ha ! got to get me one .    I have been rethinking why we even bother with pointing out political reality to some  .    I believe there are those among us who should know far ,far more  history , current events and foreign policy of existing super powers than do .  Or ,for that matter , ever will !
          
          Wouldn't you think , especially those college educated , should be far more reality enlightened ?  How can people who went to college be so  anti- anything to do with military actions according to treaty , Or  in protecting the innocents ,even from other regions ,from world tyrants ?

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    ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

    Misfit chic , Seriously ?    Racist ?    I guess if one can't  make headway in debate , one screams racist !
    Is that article the best you got ?
    
    "Rabid Trump "supporter or not , If you can't see the need for a military action like this , you are seriously blinded by Trump hate .   You aren't going to convince me of Trump protesters  who  are selective in their protest reasoning .  You obviously hate him like many your age .
    
    I actually watch  several outlets of news  , even MSNBC , CNN  , NPR ,   Not just FOX and  I still support Trump , at this point , In spite of the anti- Trump mainstream media  currents .   You and many , many need to wake up to this ; American can never "Go back " to a time when we were  not a superpower ! At least you'd better hope we don't  and for many ,many other reasons too.
    
    I don't even know how to respond to such a lame example of "racism " ,   How about Fake racism !There's plenty of that around these days .  AS to your vulgarity , I'll let Hubpages deal with that , It sounds like  an immature reaction to me , you probaly don't even belong in these forums but  that's for Hubs to decide . However , Obama - Clinton  WERE a major disaster in middle eastern foreign policy . Like it or not ---that's a given .

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       Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       The level of hatred displayed is unnerving. I think if Trump saved a puppy from drowning they'd blame him for starving a fish.

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          Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Ridiculing the disabled is not "saving puppies".

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             Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

             No. It isn't. But Trump wasn't elected to save puppies either. He was elected to implement the ideas that middle America want implemented. Ridiculing the disabled is not one of those ideas. Neither is racism. There is enough hatred on the left and right to go around. Choose to not be a part of it.
             
             I refer you to my previous post with a quote from Eleanor Roosevelt.

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             ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

             And I bet you've never ridiculed anyone ?    Problem is  , many place the presence of mind and behavior of "leaders" above  all others , Trump is just a man ,  he isn't messiah  like you know , like you may have viewed  Obama ?

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          ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          There is virtually no political argument liberals can make that even makes sense ,at this point ,  they no more believe in the soveriegnity of America  than they do the safety and liberty of the  Syrian civilian  children killed by chemical weapons ,     They no more believe in the integrity or safety of the American civilian here  at home  than they do for those in London ,  Paris ,  Moscow or  Toronto for that matter.   
          
          There is only one agenda  on the left that trumps all others including either honesty and even  reality itself.  The imminent introduction of chaos in  all reason or order in the political world.
          
          It's simply in their blood.

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             Sharlee01posted 7 years agoin reply to this

             True...

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