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To those who voted for President Obama, seeing the current state of

  1. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

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    the United States, are YOU happy with or regret the choice that you have made?  Why? Why not?

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I trust the man's instincts. I do not regret the choice I made. There is no way that I could have lived with a milk-toast like Romney

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        "Milk toast," apparently we have different notions of what this means. I thought it meant, Milquetoast - a weakling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milquetoast.

        Surely Obama's relationship with Putin....Never mind, you must be right, Romney would have been so much weaker. He often appears as boneless as a jellyfish.

      2. ginosblog profile image32
        ginosblogposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        <personal attack snipped> You need to move to Nigeria where he would be popular. You are clueless on what's happening to America!

        1. Adrienne Daniels profile image82
          Adrienne Danielsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Why Nigeria? He could very well be popular in Amsterdam for all we know.

    2. AMFredenburg profile image78
      AMFredenburgposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I have no regrets. I trust his moral and ethical center, his instincts and his heart. If he has any flaw it's that he believes too strongly that people will make rational ethical decisions for the common good, when it's been proven to him that too many times people don't. A president can only do so much when people aligned against him are determined to destroy him, even if it means destroying the country in the process. That's on them, not him.

      1. ginosblog profile image32
        ginosblogposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        How many freebies do you get from the Obama dying Government?

    3. pagesvoice profile image85
      pagesvoiceposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not really sure what you mean by the United States current state of affairs. If you mean a growing economy, a slow down on the national debt, record profits on Wall Street, increased housing prices, low interest rates, the implementation of Obamacare, the death of bin Laden, the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and a philosophy of slow and steady wins the race...then yes, I am glad I voted for Mr. Obama.

      What I am not happy about is a do nothing Congress that is only in session 126 days per year, while reaping huge benefits on the backs of U.S. taxpayers and yet telling the rest of us that our "entitlements" need to be slashed.

      1. ginosblog profile image32
        ginosblogposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Congress has passed 41 Bills that loser Harry Reid has dumped.  If you don't know who HR is, look it up and don't wait on the News Media to not tell you about these 41 Bills. If they don't line his pockets or they help America's Middle Class in any way they go in the trash can with Lois Lerner's emails!

        1. rhamson profile image75
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          You should talk to John Boehner and see what he has killed. You see if you point at one of the scumbags in a 16% approval rated congress it is like a doing forensics of a shotgun shooting in a Swiss cheese factory, you only have a victim with no suspects.

    4. rhamson profile image75
      rhamsonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Happy is subjective. Could I have hoped for more progress, absolutely. I am never satisfied with the choices we are given to vote for as the two party system has a stranglehold on the ideology that is disconnected from the reality of the issues. I always joke that when I go into the voting booth I hold my nose and vote for the one that stinks less. Romney was too duplicitous on every issue and just said what people wanted to hear. I did not sense any direction other than a corporate sellout to spark the economy. He did not specifically outline anything and "promised" that if elected he would "fix" the economy. Rule number one is never to trust a politician who asks you to trust him. His campaign reminded me of the Kerry/Edwards debacle that when asked on "60 Minutes" what their message to the people was Edwards said "We just want to tell people what they want the hear". I voted Bush after that. Obama has made many missteps and trust has eroded further for me what with the scandals and lack of transparency. I took my lead about Romney from so many Republicans who hated him until he became the candidate and they switched overnight from their other desired candidate. It told me then it was more about the party than the issues.

      1. ginosblog profile image32
        ginosblogposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Hope and Change. Obama is hoping he gets all your change and sinks America.

        1. rhamson profile image75
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          ....Hope and Change. Obama is hoping he gets all your change and sinks America.

          I understand the first part as it reflects taxing America to death which is not party specific but I get it. But the second part is kind of familiar among conservatives and I have to ask what could possibly be the motive for him to "sink America"? I have heard this over and over and it seems as if there is a hidden agenda to destroy the country. How is this the motive and what could possibly be the rewards?

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      TheWizardofWhimsyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Of course this question could have been phrased better, by not asking for an either/or answer or boiling it down to "happy" or "unhappy."

      It's obvious now, even Mitt Romney recently admitted that he had his doubts about himself, and that he has no regrets about not being POTUS. 

      That is not to say that I've been delighted with Obama's decisions because he has indeed disappointed me often by his moderate and Bush-Lite decisions.

      Nevertheless "the choice" was a no-brainer because this country has become "Pottersville" under the Republicans. What little Obama has done has at least kept some of the greedy oligarchs somewhat at bay.   

      And what can be more foolhardy than not wanting any government?  There are plenty of countries today with no government, and I suggest those folks move to Africa or the Middle East—Syria for instance!

      Btw, here's my proof, and a perfect example of what Americans have lost . . .

      George Bailey's Speech to Potter & the Loan Board:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p … 4ne13Zft9Q

      1. ginosblog profile image32
        ginosblogposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Your right. It took very little thought and no brains to elect a Dictator as Obama thinks he is needing no Government to keep him in line and make him actually do something! He is non committal to anything except demoralizing America and lying.

        1. rhamson profile image75
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Great bravado in your assessment but do you have a few for instances to argue your point or is it just a bad case of acid indigestion that threw itself up all over the place?

          1. GA Anderson profile image85
            GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Now you just have to stop this. You are infringing on the Curmudgeon's territory - a transgression that is not taken lightly! It is my job to call out the chuckleheads!

            GA

            1. rhamson profile image75
              rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I acquiesce to the Master. Forgive me. smile

    6. Adrienne Daniels profile image82
      Adrienne Danielsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I have absolutely no regret whatsoever, given the choices we did have. I also believe that the state we are in isn't a direct result of his actions alone. We tend to forget who was before him and the trillions of dollars spent on a war(s) that should have never been waged. Yes, he's made mistakes, but so has every other president in American history -:Nixon and Wilson just to name a couple.

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933935.html

        The Cost of OIF, OEF have been intentionally inflated for the consumption of the poorly informed.

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          TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Forget the money, the arrogance and fear-mongering  that destroyed so many lives is incalculable.   The neo-con lies and the profiteering, all in the name of freedom, is even more despicable! Obama has nothing to be ashamed of!

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            retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Obama gets his share of blood and blood money. Given the current state of world affairs both of those totals will likely rise over the next two years. Obama has been a disaster and, to quote the Most Loved President Ever, Blessed Be His Name - Barrack Hussein Obama's favorite spiritual leader, those "chickens have come home to roost."
            (add in the current twin embarrassments - an erased southern border[we still keep those dirty ignorant Canadians out] and the diminutive Vladimir Putin swinging his giant manhood at the world while Obama can't get his Viagra prescription refilled because his pharmacy doesn't take Obamacare)

            http://www.examiner.com/article/war-pro … -on-terror

            http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/ … 10196.html

            http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/03/ … obama.html

            http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the … awlessness

            Perhaps you are right. Obama may have nothing to be ashamed of, but America does. On the international stage this man is more hapless and incompetent than the clueless Jimmy Carter.

            On the domestic stage it isn't shame Americans should feel, it is terror. This is the least restrained and most capricious President, ever, including FDR. He has the instincts of a communist strong man. You would think he and Putin would get along, being cut from the same cloth and all. His inferiority to Putin is obvious, even to his self absorbed mind, hence the irritation and snottiness.

            There is no point in recounting the lies of Obama, they are too many and too varied to bother with.

            The cost of Obama's duplicity in human life rises each day along the border, in Iraq, across the Middle East and now in Ukraine. The cost of Obama's incompetence rises exponentially as the economy is still hobbled by his cupidity.

            The total cost of his dictatorial and narcissistic "excellence" is likely to keep the world in turmoil for decades. He has ended Pax American single-handedly in just 5 years and the brigands of the world know it as they satisfy their hegemonic ambitions.

            http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.co … barrassed/

            1. rhamson profile image75
              rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              You really must learn some degree of objectivity as your vitriol to collapse all of The Obama Boogeymans domains is quite clearly a subjective rant of exasperation to gain some validation.

              Let the attacks begin. smile

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                retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Not so subjective and not necessary for validation.
                http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2 … /11985837/

                Support for Obama is rooted in blind emotion. An objective examination of his words and actions demonstrate that he is at best an incompetent and liar, at worst a tyrant. As his final term draws to a close his cupidity will become obvious even to his most dedicated lovers.

                1. rhamson profile image75
                  rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Two things that ring out to counter your claims. One is that The Obama Boogeyman averted a sure depression when he came into office. Your boy Georgie made a hell of a mess and we are still cleaning up after this. We are looking at a ten year recovery as was predicted and the plus side of that is we are not standing in bread lines. When was the last time you ate dinner at a Salvation Army soup kitchen?

                  The other is that he has kept us out of wars and has actually ended one and is working on the other one even as we write. I know you think it cowardice to not send in the troops to defend our pride but I am glad he is hesitant because my sons are not fighting for some corporation to keep the mineral and oil rights in somebody else's country. As far as the other things like the ACA and such, there were other parties involved in blocking everything that he wanted to do. But I know you think he is acting as a Monarch autonomously setting policy and subverting the constitution but in reality he is acting for the good of the people with whatever tools he can..

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                    retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this



                    Year after year the economy has shown minimal growth. It is likely to be 10 years because the government is a greater drag on the economy, thanks to Obama. Much like FDR's Depression, this one has been extended because government constructed economies are miserable economies. Look at the Chinese economy. As the Chinese government loosens its grip on the economy, that economy blossoms.

                    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27631286
                    http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/30/news/ec … index.html
                    http://investmentwatchblog.com/bernanke … e-to-rise/


                     

                    We aren't working, either. We are dropping out of the work force. We are opting for disability, transfer payments, draining retirement funds and EBT cards.

                    http://ycharts.com/indicators/labor_for … ation_rate
                    http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
                    http://www.themainewire.com/2014/04/wel … r-workers/
                    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati … r/2832289/

                    Obama has specifically waged a war for oil and against increasing the oil supply from stable regions in favor of OPEC oil.

                    http://www.thenation.com/blog/162908/ob … -oil-libya
                    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2011/03/28/ob … r-for-oil/



                    Obama has expanded the war on Terror into Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Uganda and many more. Sometime waging war with troops, sometimes encouraging more war in the future through cyber and drone attacks. Keeping a list of people to murder.


                    http://obamas-wars.com/
                    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130 … tack.shtml
                    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world … ed%253Dall
                    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world … ed%253Dall

                    How about a list from Obama's Peace Prize application.

                    2010–11 – War in Iraq: Operation New Dawn, On February 17, 2010, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that as of September 1, 2010, the name "Operation Iraqi Freedom" would be replaced by "Operation New Dawn". This coincides with the reduction of American troops to 50,000.
                    2011 – Libya: Operation Odyssey Dawn, Coalition forces enforcing U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 with bombings of Libyan forces.
                    2011 – Osama Bin Laden is killed by U.S. military forces in Pakistan as part of Operation Neptune Spear.
                    2011 – Drone strikes on al-Shabab militants begin in Somalia. This marks the 6th nation in which such strikes have been carried out, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya.
                    2011 – Uganda: U.S. Combat troops sent in as advisers to Uganda.
                    2012 – Jordan: 150 U.S. troops deployed to Jordan to help it contain the Syrian Civil War within Syria's borders.
                    2012 – Turkey: 400 troops and two batteries of Patriot missiles sent to Turkey to prevent any missile strikes from Syria.
                    2012 – Chad: 50 U.S. troops have deployed to the African country of Chad to help evacuate U.S. citizens and embassy personnel from the neighboring Central African Republic's capital of Bangui in the face of rebel advances toward the city.
                    2013 – Mali: U.S. forces assisted the French in Operation Serval with air refueling and transport aircraft.
                    2013 – Somalia: U.S. Air Force planes supported the French in the Bulo Marer hostage rescue attempt. However, they did not use any weapons.
                    2013 – 2013 Korean crisis
                    2013 – Navy SEALs conducted a raid in Somalia and possibly killed a senior Al-Shabaab official, simultaneously another raid took place in Tripoli, Libya, where Special Operations Forces captured Abu Anas al Libi (also known as Anas al-Libi)
                    2014 – Uganda: V-22 Ospreys, MC-130s, KC-135s and additional U.S. soldiers are sent to Uganda to continue to help African forces search for Joseph Kony.
                    2014 - Iraq: 2014 Northern Iraq offensive 500 U.S. troops, AH-64s, and unmanned drones deployed to protect the American Embassy in Baghdad and advise Iraqi forces.




                    Obama has specifically waged a war for oil and against increasing the oil supply from stable regions in favor of OPEC oil and, again, setting the stage for future wars.

                    http://www.thenation.com/blog/162908/ob … -oil-libya
                    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2011/03/28/ob … r-for-oil/
                    http://www.cfact.org/2014/01/21/obamas- … -s-energy/




                    Obama has a voice, a phone and a pen. He has NEVER worked with Congress, except when it was all Democrats. Obamacare passed into law without a single Republican Vote - PASSED INTO LAW. Every effort by the House dies in the Senate - that is the road block.[/color}

                    http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/obam … ol-orders/
                    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc … ss/244420/
                    http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/terence-p … ech-vowing
                    http://www.npr.org/2014/01/20/263766043 … s-it-alone



                    [color=blue] Monarchs typically have a vested interest in the strength of their country, if for no other reason than ego. Obama shows no such proclivity. Instead, his every decision is aimed at diminishing America. Few monarchies have been so poorly run without resulting difficulty.


                    http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/austr … te-agenda/
                    http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/18/anoth … anada-appr
                    http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/glo … s-faulted/
                    http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com … tied-down/

                    Love is not just blind, it is apparently really stupid.

                2. gmwilliams profile image86
                  gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!

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            retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            No Bid Obama.
            http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/05/31/ob … -contract/

            Lies? Some were the truth, but don't let reality dissuade you.
            http://www.inquisitr.com/928699/scud-mi … from-iraq/

            1. junko profile image79
              junkoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Since the 2010 Midterm Elections the US House of Reps have refused to fund Domestic Spending ( Unemployment, Food Stamps, Job Creation, Healthcare, and any and everything The President wants. The House embraced The Sequester and Austerity to balance the Budget, but has been willing to engage in war again in the Middle East and spend billions or trillions again to arm or support by any means people who feel America is the reason for their troubles. A balance budget and austerity has to take a back set when it comes to the promotion of The Military Industrial Complex and The Oil Industry. The President has been denied tax revenue and or a credit card to do what is good for the American people. To claim The Presidency a failure without actknowledging The Obstruction is where the lies are told.

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                retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Enjoy the end of America, I hope the popcorn is good, but, since it will be lefty government popcorn it will  likely be bland, scarce and cold.

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                  TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Ironic LOL!  "The end of America" started with Reagan the snake-oil barker for the reactionary right!
                  http://s2.hubimg.com/u/9121225_f248.jpg

                  1. GA Anderson profile image85
                    GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Cool picture. Do you also feel drawing mustaches on the pictures of people you disagree with is the epitome of righteous statements?

                    ps. were you one of those kids that used your hands to make faces at people you did not like?

                    GA

                2. junko profile image79
                  junkoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Obama and Lefties will not and cannot cause The Fall of America. The insane greed and wealth of a few Americans can cause the Fall of America.

        2. Adrienne Daniels profile image82
          Adrienne Danielsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          An unhappy person always seeks to blame others for their unhappiness, so my question is - why are you so unhappy? Six years ago the state of this country was no better off than it is now. If it was, then Bush would not have deemed it necessary to give everyone stimulus checks before he left office. So, I'm curious. Are you really unhappy with the state of this country? Or, are you unhappy with the face you see?

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            retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            I appreciate that you are full of opinions.

            1. Adrienne Daniels profile image82
              Adrienne Danielsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I'm so glad that you can find it in yourself to appreciate something.

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                retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this
                1. Adrienne Daniels profile image82
                  Adrienne Danielsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  It doesn't matter (1a-1d) since they both, if not all, relate to recognition. We all have opinions, including you, and we all certainly should be adult enough to share them, ie appreciate them.

      2. ginosblog profile image32
        ginosblogposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I believe you believe what you said and that's sad!

        1. Sychophantastic profile image82
          Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Sounds like you watch too much Fox News. You know that Politifact did a recent study on Fox News and determined that only 8% of what was said on Fox News could be considered true?

          I'm sad for you that you're so negative toward the greatest President of the 21st century. Dow at 17,000. Month-over-month job growth for 5 years. 6.1% unemployment. Yearly deficit cut in half.

          I'm pretty sure that there's literally nothing that Obama could do that the GOP would consider right. I mean, for God's sake, he took the GOP's own health care law and got it passed and now they hate that.

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            retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            As if Politifact doesn't drip with political bias.

        2. junko profile image79
          junkoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I believe that a very small percentage of super rich Americans control over 90% of America's wealth. Those few Americans holds the the future of the American economy in their hands, the rise or fall is their call. America has more kings and queens now then England had when the American people fought for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Is it better to have a job to pay taxes or have no money to pay taxes or buy food or shelter. It is sad that some can't see whats has happened.

  2. innersmiff profile image79
    innersmiffposted 3 years ago

    Impossible challenge:
    Write an argument in favour of Barack Obama without referring to Mitt Romney, Republicans or the Tea Party.

    1. Nicholas Fiorito profile image89
      Nicholas Fioritoposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yep, pretty much impossible

    2. Cody Hodge5 profile image81
      Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Well just think, if it wasn't for the Tea Party, the GOP might actually be willing to work with Obama to get things done.

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Obamacare predates the TEA party and was passed without a single Republican vote for the final bill. If it is the TEA party that is the sole reason for an impasse between Republicans and Obama, how is that possible. By the way, Obamacare is not the only example of that impasse.

    3. Quilligrapher profile image90
      Quilligrapherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Nice to see you again, Innersmiff.

      Did you say, “Impossible challenge?” roll It is not an impossible challenge for the well informed. Folks opposed to the current administration need to realize that their negative views about the President are not shared by all, and to a much larger measure, not even by most.   

      The CBS News exit poll following the President’s re-election in 2012 revealed…

      - “Sixty percent of voters who cast ballots on Election Day or earlier said the economy was the most important issue in their vote.” {1}
      - Eighty-eight percent of Obama voters saw the economy was getting better.
      - 27% of all voters said their family finances were better on Election Day than four years earlier.
      - 42% of voters said Mr. Obama's response to Superstorm Sandy was a factor in their vote.
      - 74% of Obama voters said the U.S. economic system favors the wealthy.
      - 44% of all voters wanted to expand the Affordable Care Act or keep it as is.
      - Only 9% polled thought that President Obama favors the rich.

      The Pew Research Center adds even more knowledge…
      - Since 1980, more than 56% of the Hispanic vote had been cast for the Democratic candidate. In  2012, the advantage was 71%, four points higher than in 2008, and almost matching President Clinton’s 72% in 1996.
      - Among all voters, 65-percent said illegal immigrants should be offered a chance to apply for legal status.
      - About 60-percent of all young voters supported President Obama. {2}

      Some reasons, Innersmiff and Mr. Fiorito, why American voters favor Barack Obama without referring to Mitt Romney, Republicans or the Tea Party. In the final analysis, Obama bashers feel better when they ignore that governments are neither all good nor all bad but, rather, they are always some of both. To demand perfection is ludicrous. To only see the bad and to ignore the good is to choose to live half blind and in partial darkness.
      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg
      {1} http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-575 … top-issue/
      {2} http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/l … -election/

      1. innersmiff profile image79
        innersmiffposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I've noticed that even the left has found it extremely difficult to support the claims that "the economy is getting better", that the ACA will actually work, so have to shape their argument around how the Republicans would be worse. It's easy to tick a box in a poll, but can you actually present a compelling argument, with evidence? That's what I'm asking for.

        I don't demand perfection, I demand no government at all. But I don't see how, from anybody's perspective, Obama could be seen than anything more than another Bush. He's a crony capitalist, imperialist and is ushering in a police state in the US. That's enough to be an 'Obama basher' for me. If it's not for you, you have extremely low standards.

        1. Quilligrapher profile image90
          Quilligrapherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Hello, Innersmiff. When you do not get the results you hoped for, change the rules!

          The original “Impossible challenge”:
          ”Write an argument in favour of Barack Obama without referring to Mitt Romney, Republicans or the Tea Party”

          I did that by showing you why American voters preferred Barrack Obama in 2012 but you choose to reject the public’s opinion as “not compelling” enough for you. How convenient!

          So now you revised the challenge. “The left has found it extremely difficult to support the claims that "the economy is getting better…Can you actually present a compelling argument, with evidence? That's what I'm asking for.”

          Here are “compelling arguments, with evidence,” without arguing “around how the Republicans would be worse,” that “the economy is getting better"…

          … Dow and S&P 500 achieve new historical peaks on Aug. 1, 2013. The Dow rose from 6627 in Mar. 2009 to 15247 in Aug 2013. {1}

          … US Unemployment rate has declined steadily from 10.0% in Oct 2009, from 9.0 % in Feb. 2011, from 8.1 % Apr. 2012, to 7.4% in Jul. 2013! July’s 7.4% is the lowest since Jan. 2009! {2}

          … US Total YTD Domestic Car Sales (excluding imports) increased 10.1% over the same 7 months in 2012. {3}
          GM, Ford, Chrysler Group, and Toyota, the nation's four largest automakers, had their best July since before the 2007 recession.

          … New Privately Owned Housing Units Started in the United States during the first quarter of 2013 was greater than the same quarters in 2010, 2011, 2012 by 19% or more. {4}

          … New Home Sales surged 8.3 percent in June 2013, the highest in five years, bringing the year to date percentage change to 28.4 % over 2012! {5}

          … Retail Trade and Food Services: U.S. Total - Seasonally Adjusted - Sales reported in May 2013 exceeded every month going back to Jan. 2009! {6}
          http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg
          {1} http://www.djaverages.com/
          {2}   http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
          {3} http://wap.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_30 … autosalesE
          {4} http://www.census.gov/construction/nrc/ … etions.pdf
          {5} http://www.census.gov/construction/nrs/ … ssales.pdf
          {6} http://www.census.gov/econ/currentdata/ … t=GET+DATA

          1. innersmiff profile image79
            innersmiffposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Presenting a list of results from polls did not satisfy the original rules. The challenge was to "write an argument" not "tick a box". Writing an argument and expressing an opinion are entirely different things.

            But thank you for proving me wrong and presenting an argument without referring to any Republican. When I have time I shall attempt to refute it.

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Greetings, My how Obama's numbers have changed in the very brief months since the 2012 elections and I will make a prediction, they will change even more drastically over the next months running up to January, 2016.

  3. maxoxam41 profile image79
    maxoxam41posted 3 years ago

    I deeply regret my choice. But did we really have a choice? It is our democracy where the choice lies between the hands of the two houses that perpetually fight to seize the power : the house of Republicans and the house of Democrats. At the end, lobbies win.

  4. junko profile image79
    junkoposted 3 years ago

    Very well said, AMFredenburg. I feel you, that was outstanding.

  5. Wayne Brown profile image85
    Wayne Brownposted 3 years ago

    What a sad state of mind you must in, Quill, to search for such twists statistics to justify this Oval Office train-wreck.  There is nothing about this fabrication of a president or his administration and policies that represents anything which approaches the description of " good for America".

    1. Quilligrapher profile image90
      Quilligrapherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Howdy Mr. Brown. So nice to hear from you once again.

      I am not in a sad state of mind, Mr. Brown. Your unsupported criticisms in the face of documented facts speak to your state of mind and not mine.

      What you call “twisted” statistics are merely uncomfortable facts that can not be ignored. When uncomfortable facts are ignored, misperceptions become a distorted reality. If the data I furnished is wrong, correcting the errors is more constructive then denying the truth.   

      I have noticed how “trainwreck” has become the favorite term of most critics without facts. Most Americans realize the “trainwreck” was the Great Recession of 2007-2008 and the country has recovered in most sectors under the guidance of the present administration. Those who refuse to acknowledge this recovery have only themselves to blame for their negativity.

      I do not view the Obama administration with rose colored glasses. All is not perfect and many things could use some improvement. Still, I can see enough to know that it is not as bad as its worst critics claim that it is.

      The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday August 9 shows 48% of likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. {1} This fact must put a burr under the saddles of most Obama critics. If nothing else, it should cause some to question their perception of reality.

      In addition, with all of the energy some spend bashing the current administration, these same folks seem to ignore a NBC/Wall Street Journal poll that found 83 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Congress is doing in Washington, an all-time high in the poll. Just 12 percent approve of Congress' job, while 57 percent said they would replace every member of Congress if they could. {2}

      It appears that President Obama’s approval rating is significantly better than the GOP majority in the House of Representatives! I think about these facts every time I hear someone blame President Obama for all of the ills in this country.

      Thank you, Mr. Brown, for sharing your opinions with us.
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      {1} http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ … cking_poll
      {2} http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/2 … 42480.html

  6. Alphadogg16 profile image89
    Alphadogg16posted 3 years ago

    I don't have any regrets, I think things would still be worse if Romney was in office. @ Wayne Brown, it just may be a train wreck, but can you tell me how its any different from the Bush Administration "train wreck"? I agree with Maxoxam41, with both parties fighting for power, nothing will ever get resolved

  7. BigJulesMags profile image88
    BigJulesMagsposted 3 years ago

    I was pro Obama in his first election, but had an ideological shift before the second election.  After giving things careful thought, I'm not sure a president is to blame for the situations we've been having.  Every election we are forced into the "lesser of two evils" pushed out by two titanic conglomerates known as the democrats and the republicans.  Ever since the advent of mass media, things have looked more and more like this: politician gives favors for PACs and bundlers, who give money and votes, politician gives money to commercials and media, who convert money into more money for themselves and more votes for the politicians.  This means that favor will always go to large interest groups that are flush with cash. 

    Rarely, if ever, will the population at large receive favor from the political class.  Why?  Because giving the common person favor won't get you reelected.  Getting a large interest group the policy you need will. 

    It's not about Obama, or Bush, or Romney, or whoever the next panderer is.  This Obamacare bill is poorly written.  Every small law has unintended consequences (heck, look at stand your ground).  The amount introduced by a 10,000 page bureaucratic tome  will be insane.  But, that bill was going to win votes, so it was pushed through congress.

    We need more diversity of perspective in the election process and just way less pay-for-policy all the way around.

  8. Sychophantastic profile image82
    Sychophantasticposted 3 years ago

    Quilligrapher is lighting the anti-Obama folks up with facts.

    I voted for the man and am happy I did so. In fact, I would think any woman would be happy about that since he supports women's rights. I think his stance on gay marriage will go down in history as one of those giant steps in equal rights even if it did come a little late.

    Also, I'm happy with the improving economy, housing market, and stock market. All three of those things were very bad when he took over and it takes some time to turn around a ship as big as the United States.

  9. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years ago

    I don't expect to admire or respect my politicians any more.  Under any given set of circumstances they will all disappoint you.  I just want the people I put in office to do what I want them to do. Obama has: revised health care and gotten us out of a decade of two wars.  And getting Bin Laden was icing on the cake.

    Besides, after the fiasco of the last one, he could hardly do worse.

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      retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      And yet he has. He must be a man of genuine talent.

  10. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    The healthcare reform alone makes it worthwhile.  Getting rid of DADT is icing. Massive deportations and Guantanamo still there though.

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      retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      There has been no healthcare reform. There has been medical insurance changes. How has the destruction of the existing system been an improvement when there are millions of people who had insurance who no longer have it. There are millions who were able to get medical care through a provider who can no longer treat them. When a reform results in more problems not fewer, how it was all worth it eludes the thinking person.

      1. gmwilliams profile image86
        gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!

      2. rhamson profile image75
        rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        This is because it was never meant to succeed. The medical insurance providers wanted to remain in control so this is the solution. This is all headed to a single payer system as it is with many other countries. Obama had to take this step so the next one will be taken down the road when this no longer becomes feasible.

      3. Quilligrapher profile image90
        Quilligrapherposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Howdy Retief. I hope you are enjoying your summer. Any vacation plans? I will be staying close to ye ole homestead this year.

        I thought I might just jump in here to clarify a few of the omissions in your post above. Clearly, your posts are not in favor of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). To be honest, I really have no desire to change people’s opinions about the act but I care very much about the facts and the truth.

        The healthcare delivery system in this country has not been destroyed and there is no reason to proclaim that it has. Some hospitals are reporting rising revenues due to a decline in self-paying admissions especially in blue states that opted to expand Medicaid.{1}

        The negativity directed at the ACA often ignores all of the positive data coming from researchers, the insurance industry and the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office. They are, after all, in the best position to actually know how the ACA is really performing. Sadly, most complainers (not all) do not give any indication that they reference any of these resources.

        For example, take this statement:
        “there are millions of people who had insurance who no longer have it.”

        Well, data gathered by the Rand Corp indicates this claim is not even true.

        The Rand Corp. researched the overall net improvement in the number of uninsured persons after the close of the initial enrollment period on March 28, 2014. Regarding the “millions” that “had insurance who no longer have it,” the study found the number was actually less than one million and truly very small.

        Less than 1 million people who previously had individual-market insurance became uninsured during the period in question. While the survey cannot tell if this latter group lost their insurance due to cancellation or because they simply felt the cost was too high, the overall number is very small." {2}

        Perhaps you know of another study that had other results.

        As for the bigger picture, this study also documented the success of the ACA up to that point: “overall, the authors estimate that 9.3 million more people have health care coverage in March 2014, lowering the uninsured rate [nationwide] from 20.5 percent to 15.8 percent.” {3}

        The negative statements continue but they are rarely accompanied by facts to support them. We have all heard the anecdotes about cancelled policies but as Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” Please tell us where you found data that says “millions who were able to get medical care through a provider who can no longer treat them.” Do tell us, please, how many “millions” were actually counted.

        The final claim is the most difficult to logically justify.

        “When a reform results in more problems not fewer, how it was all worth it eludes the thinking person.”

        With all due respect, Retief, I must admit that the “thinking person” reference smacks of pure elitism. Surely, you can not believe that every “thinking person” who has considered the pros and cons of the ACA must agree with you. Who, exactly, determined that the ACA results in more problems and not fewer?

        While I surely see problems, I see fewer problems then before, not more. Further, the fewer problems that I see have been tallied by the Rand Corporation.  I see 9.3 million and ultimately 38 million fewer Americans starting in 2014 who are unable to have a primary care physician because they are uninsured. I see 9.3 million and ultimately 38 million fewer Americans starting in 2014 who will not receive regular wellness visits, tests, and screenings because they are uninsured. I see more than 5700 hospitals in the US {4} receiving benefit payments from insurers instead of having to write-off uncollectable bills from uninsured patients. Those who see more problems than before the ACA may just not be considering all of the problems that existed before. Just maybe.


        Finally, your ultimate uncertainty is “how it was all worth it eludes the thinking person.” I submit for your consideration one answer from the bipartisan CBO net revenue statement for the ACA covering the decade 2015 - 2024: “The current projection is for a reduction in the [federal] deficit of $152 billion.”{5}

        Always a pleasure to exchange facts with you, Retief. Stay well and never have to use your healthcare insurance. lol
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        {1} www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2014 … l?page=all
        {2} http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR656.html
        {3} Ibid
        {4} http://www.aha.org/research/rc/stat-stu … acts.shtml
        {5} http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/ … Column.pdf p.22

        1. Sychophantastic profile image82
          Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Quilligrapher,

          Love your responses, but aren't you fighting a losing battle?

          After all, there are plenty of facts about evolution and climate change, yet that doesn't seem to sway those on the far right side of the political spectrum. It seems that no matter how many facts you put out there, they just say your facts are wrong, even when they're irrefutable ones.

        2. rhamson profile image75
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          A very informative follow up. Thanks

          1. Quilligrapher profile image90
            Quilligrapherposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            yvw
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  11. Sychophantastic profile image82
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    When a Republican rolls around that treats women fairly, helps the middle class, wants individual rights for all groups including gay people, and believes in the separation of Church and State and keeps his religious views and his political views mostly separate, then I will seriously consider voting for him or her.

  12. ginosblog profile image32
    ginosblogposted 2 years ago

    Is our costing hard working people jobs, emptying cities,  and spending billions on Electricity and solar overpriced energy in a recession so folks like Al Gore can make millions (400 to be exact) more like a depression time going to change China, Spain, Greece, India, or the other countries that are much worse off than us????? If so how?
    We need to protect ourselves, our borders, and our allies. That's what important now, right now! Russia is giving tanks and Jets to ISIL and that way more important than "Global Warming"!

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Yes. Clearly one country's military movements is far more important than the continued survival and/or prosperity of the entire human race. Gotcha.

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    TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago

    The silence from our right-winged friends is palpabe.  But I don't want to confound them with yet more facts because Quill is obviously the most eloquent regarding the verities of our recent history. 

    Nevertheless, I do want to share a point of view that I think might persuade any ideological zealot (on either side of the issues) to be more reasonable and less resentful of our President—and from a fellow Texan, no less! [ Mr. Brown ;-) ].

    The reason I don't come around here any longer is that I have come to realize that America is a dysfunctional family that has overreacted to a devastating trauma—namely 9/11 and the unnecessary wars that followed it. 

    Americans have overcompensated in countless ways and the denials have kept our once united American family quarreling for the last decade with a them vs. us childish mentality. I simply don't want to be part of the problem any longer.

    So I will now defer to that Texan, Brene Brown, a social researcher and educator in Houston. She comes from German-American stock and, as she states: "Texas programmed me to Lock & Load!" when it comes to family and socio-political matters.  Her Ted Talk went viral with almost 16 million hits. 

    Her basic premise is that our vulnerabilities are the keys to self-understanding and living a joyful and creative life.  If we still wear the mental armor that we assume will protect us from yet more trauma, that causes us to be unyielding and resentful, then we will destroy any chance of a life well lived in love and sharing.

    If you have 15 minutes and an open mind, you'll find this amusing and insightful . . .

    http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability

    1. Quilligrapher profile image90
      Quilligrapherposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you for the link.
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        TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You're very welcome, Quil.  An the word above was meant to be: palpable, not "palpabe."

    2. Sed-me profile image81
      Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I wonder what she thinks of the promised attacks of the newest threat from the Muslim group Isis. Most reports say the Taliban and Isis will be in competition for destruction before long.

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        TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not sure what you are trying to imply with your question, Sed-me. Can you be more specific?.  Did you view her Ted-Talk talk?  What are your thoughts and opinions about the issues she brings up?  Do they apply or do you think they don't and why?

        1. Sed-me profile image81
          Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Actually I'm not sure there were any implications with my question.
          You had talked about 911, you seemed to think America overreacted in response? I'm not sure what reaction you expected. Then you talked about Brown and how she gave a talk on sociopolitical matters... how the premise was that vulnerability is the key to a happy life. Did you not intend for the reader to connect 911, America's overreaction, and Brown's talk on vulnerability? I connected them, b/c they were concurrent... so I wondered allowed what she would think of the new threat, that being Isis. Would she prefer us to be vulnerable? Or maybe you meant something else entirely.

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            TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for responding, Sed-me and I do mean something else. In all candor, I still can't tell if you were (and still are) implying that vulnerability equals "defenselessness, "powerlessness," and "helplessness."  Personally, I think there is an important distinction, and it has to do with the experience of fear and trauma. 

            I think America lived (and still lives, to some degree) in a bubble of ignorance (as in to ignore) and self-preoccupation; and to some degree accounts for our overreaction to 9/11 and terrorism.

            So I just sense that the fear and trauma has morphed into our dysfunction, the way a family can become dysfunctional when the various family members stop communicating and squabble amongst themselves because each member is filled with a kind of PTSD that destroys relationships. 

            America is still dysfunctional after thirteen years, while the blame and fear-mongering continues to keep us all in a spiritual malaise and a bubble of anger, mistrust and in denial of the truth. This is hastening America's decline, IMHO.

            1. Sed-me profile image81
              Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I suppose that is not what I infer when I look at America. But you said that was not your point in the first place so...

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    TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago

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    TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago

    The Republican junkyard-dogs always hear their master's whistle . . .

    http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/27/ronald … -speeches/

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    TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago

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  17. Sychophantastic profile image82
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    If the Republicans would just get back to being the party of small government, they would wipe the floor with the Democrats.

    But no, they're the party of social control and religious extremism and theocracy.

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    TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago

    Rick Perry:  "Let's get America White again!"

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    1. GA Anderson profile image85
      GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      OMG! More cute images instead of dialog? But you aren't going to trick me into defending Perry, even if your image is a silly composite.

      I bet you are a texter instead of a vocalizer too - aren't you?

      GA

      1. Zelkiiro profile image85
        Zelkiiroposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        "Brevity is the soul of wit." - Polonius, Hamlet Act 2 Scene 2

        1. GA Anderson profile image85
          GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          And you see wit involved here?

          GA

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        TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Gee, GA, did my Karma run over your Dogma again?  big_smile

        1. GA Anderson profile image85
          GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Nope, My Dogma was flattened a long time ago - about the same time I realized there are few instances where cute was an appropriate substitute for substance.

          GA

          1. junko profile image79
            junkoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            In this type (forums) political dialog cute often provokes more thought politically than the dialog.

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            TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            GA, as much as you seem convinced that "The Truth" is whatever you happen to be thinking at the moment, I'm still not quite sure why you've made it your mission to insult my postings—unless, of course, they get under your skin because they subvert your own propaganda and self-important opinions—to which you are of course entitled.

            So thank you for your criticism and I will try not to be so "cute" in the future.

             
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            1. GA Anderson profile image85
              GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Oh my! You are so far off-base that the left fielder is able to tag you out at first base..

              I never claim to know the truth, (unless I am positive of my opinion), I only claim that my opinions are based on as much information as I can find.

              I hope I am not frequently wrong, (because it means I was too lazy to learn more), and I don't like to be wrong, but I usually appreciate  when I have been shown that I was wrong - because it means I learned something and will not be the same wrong again.

              So you can take your "The Truth" perspective and... reevaluate it.

              My comments about your images were not intended to be insulting - they were intended to be snarky criticisms - for reasons already explained. I guess in this case it's a little bit like superb sarcasm - sometimes it gets missed.

              I truly hope you are wrong about your evaluation that I espouse propaganda and believe in my self-importance. Those are two of my favorite targets, so I can only hope I am not the kettle calling the pot black.

              But on a serious note, about your images... yes I criticized them and your repeated usage of them. If you want to convey such extreme opinions as the types of images you use portray - why would you have a problem discussing them? Why would you feel insulted when someone says they think they are silly?

              Instead of posting and discussing an opinion, your use of such images reminds me of a guy that makes what he thinks is a great come-back line, and then looks to the choir, (his like-minded buddies), to give him high-fives and woot-woots for his cool wit.

              Are you afraid to discuss the context or truth of the sentiments your images express? Is feeling insulted a safer outlet than defending them?

              But the bottom line is my intentions were not to insult you. One of is wrong on that issue.

              GA

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                TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for your snark, and for your smug challenge, GA, but I have no interest in wasting my time mincing words with yet another self-satisfied ideologue who likes to boast about how well informed he is.   However,  if you'd care to learn Photoshop and challenge me with your own original attempts at political cartooning, I'd certainly welcome the encounter. 
                It might even help with the obvious problem of verbosity in your  writing. 

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                1. GA Anderson profile image85
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Hmm... Smug, self-satisfied, ideologue, boastful, self-determined to be well-informed... Damn, I must be one hellava guy.

                  I do do a little photoshopping, (although I use Corel), but not for the purposes of political cartooning. I also wouldn't think of challenging you in that area - your technical expertise is obviously well above mine. However, it is your "photoshop" thinking that I was challenging, not your pixel manipulation abilities.

                  ps. you added about 20 extra years too much - gimme a break, I don't look that bad. I haven't even graduated to cane yet - much less walker or wheelchair.

                  pss. but you did nail me on the " verbosity" charge, it is a habit I can't seem to break - always trying to explain what I am saying so as to preclude any misunderstandings or false assumptions.


                  GA

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                    retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Are you sure you are not Barack Obama

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                    TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for the recognition of skill, GA, but satire is satire and if you appreciated  my "thinking,"  I wouldn't be doing my job.

                    The fact that you, as you claim, "challenge" my views (or "thinking" as you put it) speaks to the cartoons' efficacy to subvert your own (which you obviously feel are sacrosanct), and it seems,  get under your skin, somehow.  I don't expect you to admit to this, of course.

                    Nevertheless, and unlike you, I don't criticize you for holding or expressing your own views and opinions—as I mentioned above, it's your right and I respect that.  You don't accord me the same deference.


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  19. Sychophantastic profile image82
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    I agree, Politifact has a bias. They seem to dislike lying.

  20. Mehar Saif profile image59
    Mehar Saifposted 2 years ago

    no comment

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    TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago

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  22. joeyallen profile image82
    joeyallenposted 2 years ago

    Let's see...a better economy, more people working (he created more new jobs in 2010 than G. W. Bush did in 8 years), the stock market is booming, we are out of Iraq, Osama Ben Laden is dead, Republican-created deficit cut in half, more Americans have healthcare, more illegals deported than any president in history, foreign countries have a more favorable view of U.S., Executive Branch more physically responsible, his policies have stabilized the housing market, saved more than one million auto industry jobs, he provided tax credits to first time home buyers, pushed through more wall street reforms than any other president since the Depression, and on, and on.
    Thank God Obama was elected.
    Like someone said, "Voters elect Democrats to clean-up the Republican messes".

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      TheWizardofWhimsyposted 2 years ago in reply to this

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