A few days ago I noticed that my views had dropped about 50%. Now that number has gone up to 90%. When I searched the first sentence of my top 5 niche articles, nothing showed up. When I searched by exact title, nothing showed up. It appears my articles have disappeared ! Is this possible? What can I do about this? Can anybody with know how help me find out what is going on. I am just sick about this.
There was a Google update/refresh or whatever they call it recently.
My traffic dropped by 80% a few days ago but is now back up to normal.
There are (free) SEO check sites where you put in the URL of your Hub and it will give it a SEO 'healthcheck', ie. it will show you keyword density, if it is either too high or too low.
I know sometimes it is difficult to avoid using the keyword over and over, try using more synonyms.
Another way of checking whether your article is indexed is searching 'your article title and hubpages' or 'your article title hubpages'.
Keep it up everyone
What are you going to offer or pay this guru in return for their knowledge and work time?
Geesh, girl! Not all of us make the kind of money you make here and can afford to hire someone to help us.
I was only asking for general help, not for someone to take the time to research all of this for me.
I give my own help "at no charge" to many people here, and so do lots of others. What's the problem with asking?
I never said there was a problem with asking. You made that part up just now in your own head.
I asked a question because I wanted to get more info about what you were asking, from that very specific angle. I got it. Saying you don't want to pay anything is a perfectly fine answer. I'm not trying to have a debate with you.
I didn't consider this a debate, but I thought it strange that you would ask that question seeing as we all generally try to help each other out here with basic advice.
I've already gotten some very meaningful advice from several people that I think will help me out. Sometimes I have to be reminded about important issues that, now that I am in my older years, I tend to forget.
This is exactly why I ask such questions, and although it means a lot of work for me, it also means that my articles will improve greatly and that my views will return.
I might want your knowledge. I'll give you a cookie?
Gurus are also struggling to have better search engine ranking. I don't even know what could be done to appease Google.
I am not a guru by any means. My guess would be keyword stuffing. Example headdress article.
I looked at the article Mark mentioned and I agree that you are using the keyword very often and that can make Google think you are keyword stuffing even though that isn't your intention. The paragraphs are very short and the word is used often. While the information is fascinating and the images are lovely, I would count how many times your keyword is used and make some adjustments. Less is more and it will read better. Use more synonyms or pronouns for less repetition and perhaps combine some of the shorter sentences to make the language have a more natural flow/sound to it.
If the traffic just dropped - don't panic yet. It is a holiday weekend. You can also try pulling a sentence from the middle of the hub and searching directly for that within quotes. If anything pulls up then it hasn't been completely removed from Google.
I am by no means a Google expert or guru, but I do know anything that can even have the appearance of gaming the system can get you penalized. One of the biggest no-no's is the appearance of keyword stuffing. Several years ago; you were supposed to have a word appear so many times - I've redone so many webpages and now I just make them conversational and easy to read. Google has improved on a lot of my content when I gave up trying to "play the game" and just wrote good content.
After looking over a few of my more popular articles that seem to have "gone away", I can see that yes, indeedy, I certainly am using some words far too often, even on the longer posts.
I think this may be my problem, but wish Google had zapped me for it a long time ago ...well before I had so darned many articles that will now need to be revamped!
Also, I think you are a darned good writer, and it is people like you as well as the others who have helped me here that make me feel very proud to belong to this site.
It never hurts to have a second pair of eyes, that's for sure!
What? Google do something that makes anything easy and not convoluted? I'd like to live in that universe. . Google is always tweaking and doing "updates" etc. and although I've never been a spammer in my life; I've been penalized a couple of times. Yet, whenever I search for information on Google; I still often get junk results leading me to use other search engines for my own work. I can't understand why Google is the only game in town, because they are certainly not superior. I'll not rant against them though and hijack the thread .
I think tweaking the writing a bit will help - it did with mine. Hopefully it's just a temporary result of the "updates" they did earlier in the month and it will work itself out. Mine went down maybe 20% or so for several days and then came back up. One of my websites yesterday reached its highest page views in at least 2 years. I'm cautiously optimistic, but no longer willing to risk my health and sanity stressing out about Google. Good luck!
"You can also try pulling a sentence from the middle of the hub and searching directly for that within quotes. If anything pulls up then it hasn't been completely removed from Google."
Thank you ChristinS for this important reminder to use the quotation marks. The search came up completely different when I didn't include them. Unfortunately, my search resulted in a list of copy cats who are using one of my previously popular hubs which has dropped drastically in the past week. Doing the DMCA thingy again. Whoo hoo.(not)
Did you check other search engines? I found one about keeping your water safe on Bing, but not with Google. I couldn't find your hubs on Google without entering the title and your name.
Mark may be onto something. I stopped counting how many times you used "RV" in one of the hubs. Just guessing, I'm not a guru.
Rebekkah and Mark:
With some subjects it is almost impossible to write articles without repeating certain words. How many synonyms can there possibly be for RV and/or Headdress?
I do not purposely "stuff" my articles with keywords. In fact, I don't pay much attention to them. I simply write what naturally comes.
If the problem is keyword stuffing, why is that just now this is coming to light. I've had certain articles here for years that have gone through several Google updates and have not had keyword problems.
However, I guess I will have to go back and recheck them to see what I can do because that may be part of the problem.
It just seems strange to me that articles, like the one Rebekkah mentioned, would totally disappear!
Thanks for the advice.
What drew my attention to the keywords was that on the first article I read - it was in the title and then in the first or second sentence - in bold!
Maybe you have recently added more keywords to your content, or maybe Google tweaked the algo, or maybe it is nothing at all to do with that.
Natural English seems to be the best advice. Does it read out loud as you would say it to a friend?
I will stop though because I am a complete failure with this stuff. So really I know nothing.
Yes, I noticed the boldface words when I saw your articles. That raised a bit of a red flag for me, but it was instinct, more than something I can point you to for certain. And it doesn't seem to be serious enough to result in such a major downranking.
I did an exact phrase search on a few of your articles, and they, at least, were still in Google, but I don't know if they were the ones you've seen take the biggest hit.
My second instinct is to sit tight, if you can bear it, and hang on: these fluctuations do sometimes resolve themselves as mysteriously as they arrived. Not good for the stomach lining.
My third thought is that if you've got a lot of RV and summer-oriented content, it's going to lose traffic at Labor Day because everyone heads out for one last RV trip this weekend, then they go back to work. Whatever they were going to look up this summer, they've done it now.
My fourth thought is that maybe some of your best hubs have new competition, but I haven't the least bit of useful advice on how to deal with that. How do your provide something your competitors don't? If you can, you win, but it's easier said than done.
My fifth thought is to dig out what keyword data you can from Google analytics and Hubpages stats to see what your readers have been searching for. Sometimes their queries suggest new content to add to meet their needs better or ways to tweak your existing content.
My sixth thought is to do a mission statement review. Write on a post-it note: what is this article for and what are its readers going to get out of it? Go through the article with a fine-toothed comb sharpening what you can to fit the mission statement, removing anything that doesn't fit and saving it as grist for another article.
My seventh thought to throw some of your writing at HemingwayApp and see what it thinks of it, but that's because it's my new favorite toy. Your writing was good enough for traffic last week, after all.
Google is always changing and refining its algorithm. Things that worked for years are suddenly no longer effective. Or a competing site in your niche comes out with amazing content, pushing yours down.
Bottom line is that it's hard to advise you, since you're one of the more experienced and skilled traffic-generators in the forum. The black belt is asking the green belts for tips.
We're going to have to call you The Thinker. I'm not sure I could come up with that many thoughts in one day!
All kidding aside, that is great advice - and we can all take it to heart.
Wow...that was some advice column you just wrote! You should make it into a hub for all to see!
If something has changed about the bolding concept, I don't know what it is or where to find it, but I was always led to believe we are supposed to do that jut a bit to get the attention of search engines.
As for the competition. Yes, my niche has a ton of it. However, few who write those articles have 50 plus years of actual RV ownership and travel experience like I do or can add unique details like I can.
That may sound snotty, but I do not mean it that way. It's just how things are in my world.
As for Labor Day, etc. I knew there would be a drop after the summer ended, but certainly not 90%! That is outrageous!
Furthermore, many people RV year round or dream of that lifestyle and are always reading, searching and looking, so I know the huge drop cannot possibly be entirely from that!
I've checked WMT...no messages.
Now that it is later in the day and I've upgraded a few posts, they are starting to become visible again, so that is a good sign.
Numbers are still low, though, so I will know more after the weekend ends.
This sure is tiresome! Thanks so much for your help.
By the way, I do not consider myself to be in the top number of page views here....far from it. Talk to me when I'm in the millions lol
Thanks so much for your input. I truly value it.
GreekGeek and WriterFox have both given you good advice in their long posts.
When you're trying to judge your recovery, be patient. You can't expect instant results when you change something.
Google runs its Panda algorithm over your Hubs once a month and gives them a Panda score, which partly determines where they appear in the search results. If you get a low Panda score one month, it will drag all your Hubs down - and no matter what you do, you're stuck with that score until Panda runs again in a month's time.
I had that happen to me on my ballet site. It was doing well but then my traffic crashed suddenly. I took a hard look at the site and decided that some of my posts were far too short. I combined some of them, expanded others and deleted the rest. Then I sat tight for the rest of the month and waited. Traffic came back.
Keyword stuffing - I know you don't keyword stuff, but you have the same problem as me. There is only one word for pointe shoes. Yes, you can call them toe shoes if you like, but real dancers would be rolling on the floor laughing. There are other words for RV, but do aficionados use them?
I reckon that was the problem Randy Godwin had, when his hugely successful Hub account on RVs was slapped in the first Panda update.
As for the bolding concept, it was a known trick several years ago, but like all tricks, Google got wise to it and started penalising it instead of rewarding it. So it's not a good idea, unless you're doing it to highlight something for your reader.
In the dog show world, many names abound for RVs. I listed them, but they are way down here. Dog shows are a traveling city of 100's of RVs, moving from show to show every week.
Might be something for TT2 to investigate if not already reported on!
I thought we were supposed to "bold" key words once at the beginning and once at the end of each article. Has that changed?
Oh I have no idea TT - I have never bolded words in an article. But I know nothing about the SEO style stuff.
I do remember seeing some people with entire pages in bold - maybe that was an old trick.
This is news to me. Do you remember where you read this recommendation?
I have never seen a suggestion anywhere to bold keywords -- and it is poor advice.
Don't bold keywords. For 2 reasons.
1. It doesn't help the reader
2. Google may see it as an attempt to game their algo.
I had read that advise on bolding Keywords 5-6 years ago. I am sure it has changed now. I only use bold to break up text and help the reader scan the article for what they are most interested in finding.
RV= Camper, travel trailer, recreational vehicle, motor home, coach, toy hauler, fifth wheel, fun bus, party on wheels, caravan, van, Winnebago, Coachman, A-Class, C-Class.
Headdress is harder, hmm... wighat, mitre, head gear, chapeau, structure, habiliment, accouterments, vestiture, crown, diadem, coronet, anadem, feathered wreath
http://www.thesaurus.com/ is our friend!
i dont think they disappeared try searching by exact keywords again but this time add your hubpage ID name next to it. if the pages show up it means they haven't disappeared but if it doesnt show up at all then contact hubpages for solution
Timetraveller it's labour day so naturally less traffic. Mine has dropped today too.
But, regarding your rankings have you checked recently or just today because of the 90% drop? Maybe it was never high up and you were still receiving traffic.
I'm not discussing ranking here, just traffic.
Many of my hubs were on the first three pages of Google for years!
You do have a lot of competition in your niche! You could try replacing or working with some of the phrases, but if it reads naturally, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ranking for phrases would be your focus rather than attempting to rank high for "RV". I wouldn't spend all of your weekend stressing about it, that won't help. Sooner or later, it will get figured out.
Sitaram knows, but he's not going to tell you.
I'm in exactly the same situation. My traffic has dropped over 80% and all the search terms I had ranking in Google are no longer there. I don't think I'm keyword stuffing (certainly not intentionally) but this has happened before. Traffic did come back then but it took a few months I think. It's extremely demotivating and makes you wonder if it's worth bothering.
Did you check Webmaster Tools? You can check for manual action under Search Traffic.
You may want to take a look at your competition and read through their articles. How do they look? How do they read? What are their links pointing to? But knowing you, you've already done this. Hang tight and enjoy your weekend. Things will get better.
I noticed in many of your hubs there is a carriage return after each sentence and the sentences aren't grouped into paragraphs.
Each sentence is in its own paragraph like this.
Google is pretty sophisticated and may be interpreting this formatting as an indicator of spam since this is a style commonly found on spam blogs, but not on informational pages which use standard paragraphing.
Readers too may find this formatting a bit distracting because when people read, they mentally insert a big pause whenever they see the line break and it halts the natural flow of the prose.
It's the opposite of wall-o-text formatting, and somewhere between the two extremes gives the best reader experience.
Since Google does analyze a page's formatting when ranking it, and eliminating the extra spaces is an easy cosmetic change to make, I think you should reformat a few of the affected hubs and see if their ranking improves.
Good luck, and hope your traffic picks up.
Well, that's a new one on me!
I often write single sentences to emphasize certain points. What is really interesting is that not too long ago I was awarded a "HOTD" and one of the things mentioned was my beautiful formatting!
This stuff is going to make me crazy!
As a side note - since this thread I have revised some of my own pages. Damn that stickman...
It is possible that this is just a Google Glitch and it will right itself without any action from you.
A very similar thing happened to me a couple of times. Catastrophic loss of traffic, and some of my hubs seemed to be de-indexed. The first time it all went back to normal after a week. The second time it all came back after two weeks.
I remember that SimeyC once had something like this happen to him too. His traffic also returned after a few days.
I have no idea of what the mechanism of this could be. It's almost like Google is cleaning house and puts some hubs away temporarily.
Of course this might not be what is happening to you, but it sounds very familiar. There is hope that the traffic will just return after 1-2 weeks.
Time Traveler, Google still has all of your Hubs in its index. See them here:
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&a … kzotYEJJaM
One thing I noticed right away on that search, is that you aren't using the Meta Description properly (Summary on HP.) See my SEO Tutorial and go to this section from the Table of Contents:
III. A. 3. Meta Tags
Change your Descriptions/Summaries accordingly, paying attention to the character count, less the characters for the date which HP inserts. It might also be a good idea for you to start your Hubs with that exact Description/Summary at the beginning as your first text on the page.
I thought you said in a previous post that your Hubs were still ranking but that traffic has fallen. One of your Hubs ranks #6 on U.S. search results for broad match 'my holding tank' which I believe is one of your dominate keyword phrases for traffic. You have a Hub ranking #11 on U.S. Search results for broad match 'how much is a million dollars.'
Another keyword phrase: ' don't need blackwater tank' only shows one listing from HubPages in the top 100 search results for the U.S. – this is for a 2-year-old Hub which was updated in May. I know that you used to rank well for that one. You might look at the Hub which does show and check the content.
I don't know what other keywords you were ranking for, but Google Webmaster Tools and Analytics should provide information on how your rankings are right now.
Again, if your Hubs are still ranking well, wait until after Labor Day to do anything other than changing the Descriptions/Summaries.
Also, by this time next month, there will be 52% more competition within the HubPages domain to rank for given topics and keywords. So, any major changes you need to make to improve your content should be completed within the next seven days, in my opinion.
I never really learned how to use WMT and know only a little about using Google Analytics.
When I said my articles were ranking well, I meant that they were showing up in the first three pages of Google and getting tons of views. I did not know there was another way to check rankings.
I am not much of a tech person, I'm afraid.
If you read the posts here it should become clear that if I try to update every single hub in every way mentioned, I'd be 103 and/or dead before I completed the task.
There is no way I can do all of this, especially within the next week.
If things do not improve, I may just have to end my romance with online writing, this has all been far more than I can deal with at my advanced age.
However, I will do what I can, and I will read your SEO advice.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this detailed advice with me.
If your Hubs are still ranking well, then you do NOT have a problem.
Take the three-day holiday weekend and relax until Tuesday!
Now I'm confused. If my articles are showing up on the first three pages of Google and WERE getting views but suddenly are not, does that not mean they are no longer ranking in the same way?
I briefly tried an online ranking checker and according to that, my main hub isn't even in the top 64! How can that be?
I am really at a loss here, and the more I try to figure this mess out, the worse it seems to get.
What is the keyword phrase you are checking?
I simply take a few words out of any given title and insert them.
For example, I might use "Maintain RV Tires" instead of the entire title.
I think you need to use the links I posted and use a Google Webmaster Tools account to understand what words you were ranking for. If you've never opened your free account there, the statistics will start from the day you do.
In the meantime, go to one of your Hubs and open the "Stats" from the top, black menu bar. Then click on "Search" from that menu bar. You need to find out what exact keyword phrases brought traffic before. There is no way to determine what has happened to a Hub's ranking position if you don't know what it used to be ranking for before the traffic fell.
I do look at those search terms but never realized their importance. I'll add it to my list. I have a WMT account but am not sure as to how to interpret the numbers I see there.
Hmmm, I just tried that for my most popular hubs on Google and it said no search terms were found. Then how are people finding my hubs?
Google Webmaster Tools and Analytics have the best information because it is Google's information.
(However, recent changes have been made and people can block Google from recording what they do online. This has resulted in less information being available to website owners on search terms visitors use.)
https://blog.kissmetrics.com/unlock-key … -provided/
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/22 … earch-Data
Free online ranking checkers are notoriously inaccurate. That's one of the difficulties webmasters face these days - it's not easy to get an accurate picture of how your site is ranking. There are paid tools, and I read an article recently which did an experiment and found that Google Webmaster Tools was fairly accurate too.
You're welcome. Read these tutorials on WMT. It's really easy once you get the hang of it:
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/21 … n-Overview
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/22 … O-Campaign
I think it's worth sitting down and making notes on what people are actually suggesting you do. So far, the list isn't that long. It includes:
- Fix your summaries. They are what appear under the Hub title in search results, so they're like a "teaser" to entice people to read the Hub. Pay attention to the character limit.
- Get rid of your bolded keywords.
- Check your keyword density in each RV Hub with this tool: http://tools.seobook.com/general/keyword-density/
If "RV" shows as more than 5%, you've got a problem and should edit it to try to reduce the frequency of repetition.
- File a DMCA with the site that's using your Hub
- Write to HubPages to explain the situation with your copycat Hubber.
I wouldn't advise mucking around with anything else at the moment. Contrary to what you thought, your Hubs are still indexed so things aren't as bad as they seemed.
I I read a recent post to use bold or Italicize occasionally on keyword and important points in article. I italicized my keywords once in recent article. Who has the real correct answer?
I think bolding keywords randomly throughout an article is old school, and may get the article penalized. It was recommended years ago. I would just use bold and italics to help guide the reader to the important points or answers you promised to give the reader in your title and description.
That's not to say that your keyword cannot be in the bolded text, but you should bold a phrase that is important to the reader - the short answer to their question, swimming in a see of supporting text.
That advice is years old. That's the trouble with advice on the internet - old articles are still published, people read them and don't notice the date, they repeat the advice and don't say where they got it from, and so old advice persists long after it ceases to be valid.
With regard to searching your own work, with either the title or direct quotes to find the ranking...
I'm not sure how that works. I've found in the past, that if you search that way, your own article is what comes up first, at the top of the page, even though that is not the case if you do a more generic search for the topic. Indeed--you may find your article on page 3 or page 20--in which case, you're toast.
How do you then determine your actual ranking, if your own page comes up at the top when your search is that specific?
Search from encrypted search:
Or, use Firefox instead of Chrome.
WriterFox, your reply earlier about meta tags and the summary reminded to search through your SEO tutorial again for an explanation on how you make the vertical line that is in your titles and summaries. I can't find this information. My computer doesn't have such a character. Can you answer this here? Thanks.
Then, copy and paste this one to use whenever/wherever you want:
The link did not show up. Can you try again without writing it as a link?
It's not a link. I just posted the character you wanted. Just copy and paste it into a Word document and use it whenever you want.
To put it in a title on a Hub, just copy it from your Word document and put it in the capsule on HP.
Here's a bunch of them:
| | | | |
The character is called a Pipe.
Love the pipe - it looks different on keyboards, so I think people don't realize they have it. Mine looks like 2 vertical dashes on my keyboard.
I just discovered that I have that vertical line, too, when all the time I thought my computer was just deficient. It's also displayed as two vertical dashes. I wonder why? Don't we non-geeks have enough to figure out? Many thanks to WriterFox for solving this mystery.
Hit the shift key at the same time and the top vertical character appears. |
If you don't shift, it's the backslash character. \
The pipe can be used instead of a colon. I don't think it's as popular as it once was, but it can still be used.
TT, don't you live in Florida? If you live near a beach, enjoy a walk or sunset. Leave the keyboard for a while and enjoy the weekend.
Yes. In fact, I live only five minutes from the beach...problem is that it is too hot this time of year to be able to enjoy it.
I know I am stressed about this, but have decided to update just a few articles each day rather than trying to tackle the entire 144 all at once!
I have not been well this week, so this issue has been all the worse as a result.
If I made it through Breast Cancer, I can surely make it through this!
To get the vertical line, hold the ALT key and press the numbers 1, 2 and 4 -- release the ALT key and viola!
I've learned something, because I wasn't aware of the encrypted version of Google.
However, when I searched for information about it, it seems that all it does is make your browsing private from advertisers. Google still collects your information for itself, which means you're still going to get personalised results.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/196949/b … earch.html
I'm pretty sure Google still collects personal data from Google searches, even when you're using Firefox. I'm sure Yoast wouldn't bother offering a plugin to block it if not:
https://yoast.com/tools/seo/disable-per … ch-plugin/
That has not been my experience and I use both almost every day.
But how do you know that your results are not personalised? What are you comparing it with?
Searching the regular way on Google.
I also use Google Global to isolate search results for the U.S., etc.
Leave it to you to simplify things for me!
I'm still not sure about how to do some of it, but will try my best. I have to go to bed now, but will be at this again bright and early tomorrow.
Thank you so much to you and everybody who responded today for your help.
The answer to that is a huge topic! If you're using Google Webmaster Tools, it will give you an estimate of how your Hub is ranking. Otherwise, trying to see how your Hubs are ranking is a tricky business.
For one thing, Google personalises results these days - so if you search, it will show you what it thinks you like. Obviously it's going to include your Hubs in that. But for someone else, your Hubs may not appear at all.
As WF says, you need to turn off personalisation - but if that's all too technical, the easiest way to judge is to go to the library or some other anonymous computer and try there. But there's another catch - you want to know how your Hub ranks when people are searching. No one is ever going to search for your Hub's title, so there's no point looking at that. Ask yourself what people would type in, and try that.
I lost traffic like that after a new Google algorithm. I had enough of it, because it was the 3rd time I was hit since 2011. After doing nothing, all the traffic returned about 2 months later. I think sometimes Google just can't make up its mind.
Do a little work on the keywords and then be patient. Repeat, do a little work.This Google thing has gotten to be a crazy game.
Good advise Barbara - just tighten things up.
Yes, tighten it up. I have no control over Google -- it is like they have some kind of manipulative thing that even they do not understand. I only have control over my own stuff, do the best I can and do not fret over traffic, algo, or anything like that. What happens, happens -- so, I just wait it out, making sure my hubs are not violating anything.
I totally agree. It has gotten way out of hand. I am getting very tired of it, that's for sure.
Google, I believe, totally fails to understand the concept of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Everything was working just fine--NOT broken--until they started messing about with it all.....Grrrr
Just a thought - I rely far less on keywords than everyone else to "sell", instead focusing on making my writing completely original and trying to make it social-worthy. I find that I don't have any of these giant dips and rockets - just steady traffic throughout the year with a few slightly down days in off seasons.
If you are really having a lot of trouble with rollercoaster traffic, maybe it might be time to consider a different approach so that you don't have to edit hubs constantly? I rarely edit mine.
Ten years ago, Google had only a few things you needed in their formula to get ranked. These days it is many more (maybe over 100 components?) Keywords are just one aspect of this formula, which gets more complex as time goes on. Hence, if you rely on just one thing in their formula to make rankings happen, you're going to be disappointed somewhere along the line when the formula becomes more complex and the item you relied so heavily on becomes a much smaller % in the overall ranking factors.
My advice to you (and it's only one person's opinion) would be to leave the stuff you have alone and focus on writing new hubs that have more words, better photos and are more exciting to social media. Focus less on keywords and try to write more, in a natural manner. Or failing that, write informatively about subjects with more depth (ie more words). That is not more keywords, just more words in general. The longer word length means that synonyms often slip out naturally in your text, and even if they don't, there is more fluff to cushion keywords, meaning Google doesn't think you are trying to game it...
Instead of tearing out hair over editing keywords, worrying about keywords with formatting (Google can also think you're gaming it by having too many keywords as subtitles as well as the bolding stuff etc) you can avoid all this by writing naturally anyway...
You know a good niche. I'd just practise writing differently in it and keep pumping out the expert articles in your niche.
Suzanna, TimeTraveler is not an SEO person and does not focus on keywords. In a previous post she said she does write naturally, and she is also writing from a wealth of expertise on her topic.
If you check her pages she tends to feature the keywords in bold at the start and at the end.
There is nothing natural about that.
That's because she followed somebody's bad advice. What I'm saying is that she doesn't consciously write her main text with keywords in mind, she just writes what she knows.
I checked her Online Dating page.
42 mentions of Online Dating including SIX times in the last capsule.
You're assuming she's done that deliberately? If you knew TT2, you would know how ridiculous that suggestion is.
I think he might be WF.
If it looks like a duck, etc.
Marisa - no I don't know TT. I am saying what I see when I read her pages. If you see that differently then whatever. I am not here to attack or defend.
She asked for reasons - I have spent a little time trying to think about it.
One good thing about this thread is that I have subsequently deleted another half dozen posts that might have been dragging my own traffic down.
Hi again all,
Apologies for assuming there was keyword stuffing going on. If there isn't, unfortunately it appears that TT2 might be a victim of keyword programming - when you have words in your brain that keep repeatedly making their way out onto the page...(this is actually a real affliction, by the way, happened to me for awhile from playing with the keyword planner too much and worrying about SEO a long time ago). Your brain just can't help putting the magic words in there when you write, sometimes even subconsciously doing so. Sometimes TT2 probably can't avoid it by using synonyms, as has been mentioned above, so I'd agree with the keyword density tool etc.
To be honest, no one knows what TT has done "wrong" or even if anything was done "wrong". We're all just guessing. Everybody's trying to help. There's probably not one right or wrong answer either.
All along I assumed that what I was doing was right because of my pageview counts. It was a real shock when, after almost three years, the bottom fell out.
You may be right in what you say about my mental set, and that is something I am going to have to work on a lot.
Be in mind that I am 71 years old, do not do this for a living and have a few memory issues, so I am doing my best here.
I promise to try harder!
Don't sweat what you have said here because I really did not "see" that I was repeating myself so much.
I tend to get so involved in my subject that I forget to pay attention to that issue and have never really checked articles for keyword density after writing them.
I sure will be doing that now!
I think you make a good point about repetitious wording, but please do not think I ever have done this on purpose.
The bolding was the result of advice I was given when I began writing here. I never really liked it myself, and you will see it disappearing from my articles with time.
I appreciate it very much that you have taken the time to look at my articles and have shared your opinions with me because I think they will make my articles better.
Thank you TT. A subject like this can get a little 'fraught' - many opinions and also feelings to consider.
I have my own traffic problems and endless tweaking going on. The Google game is a tough and never-ending one it seems.
Sorry Mark, I misread the intent of your post.
I just ran the Online Dating hub through a keyword density analyzer and it showed I was well below the 5% max for all keywords. In fact, the highest was 3.35%.
So, I am a bit confused here. Are we supposed to worry about key word density or the number of times a word or phrase appears in an article?
I thought key word density was what mattered, but if I am wrong, I'd like someone in the know to tell me.
I have been upgrading articles all day and so far have only found one that exceeds the 5% ideal maximum.
I can't offer any advice on keyword density. And neither can anyone else because they don't KNOW how Google works. People have theories but Google don't want anyone to know exactly otherwise they would be gamed.
When I read the Online Dating article I just thought you had used the phrase a little too much for say an English essay style piece of writing. That's all.
But whenever I offer 'advice' I get flamed - and that is fair - because I know nothing.
So I will back off.
NOooo please do not back off. Your insights here have really helped me a lot with this problem.
I was just saying that although it appears that I used a term quite a bit in an article, the stats show that I am within reason. I understand that from 2-5% density is the right amount, but I would like someone to jump in here and tell me if that is true!
Most of my articles are far less than even 3% so far, so what I guess I am saying is that I do not think this is an issue Google may have slapped me for...at least so far. However, I have more than 120 articles left to check!
Those keyword density calculators don't work. They don't measure the right thing when it comes to keyword phrases.
I put the mathematical formula for determining true keyword density in my SEO Tutorial Hub.
But, unless you are spamming (which you are NOT), don't ever worry about keyword density.
Here is the Google advice:
After listening to Matt Cutts it appears to me that I spent all day wasting most of my time because I was using a keyword density program that made me think I was doing OK in that respect.
When Mark Ewbie discussed the number of times I used certain terms in one of my articles and I ran it through one of those programs, it seemed as though it was OK.
I've been doing the same thing all day with numerous articles, and thought they were OK, also.
Now I'm not so sure. There are some terms that are almost impossible to not use again and again, so what do you do? If I try to write naturally, which is what I have been doing, it appears that I may be keyword stuffing in those instances, but I do not know how to write an article about online dating without using that term, for example, again and again because there are only a few other words that will fit that niche.
This is sooo upsetting!
You say ignore it, but how can I when other writers are interpreting my hubs as overdoing terms?
You're supposed to be on vacation, remember?
"Online Dating" is a search term that you will NEVER rank for, and NEVER were ranking for. So just forget about how many times you have used that phrase in a Hub. (There are 125,000,000 webpages competing for that term, 27,300,000 for the exact match!)
Until you have the information from Google Analytics and Webmaster tools, you don't know what your Hubs are/were ranking for. It's the terms you were ranking for that you would need to check, not "online dating."
Where did you get those figures?
When I look at Google Adwords the odds are much lower, so obviously I am looking in the wrong place. Even when I type in "online dating" in Google search I don't see those figures.
What am I missing?
Look at the top of the page on these links:
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&a … bFPyco9oHY
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&a … bV11f3amuc
You are looking at the number of search queries, not the number of competing webpages.
Isn't it amazing how much I simply do not know!
I never realized that simply typing in a term with and without quotation marks would give you those figures!
In your mind, what is the ideal for each that you should try to achieve before wasting your time writing an article that will never rank?
There really are no hard and fast rules. It's a matter of your good judgment, intuition and experience.
What you have to do is actually visit the top ten ranking pages and see if you can create a better page.
But, certainly, the less competition the better, provided enough people are actually searching for your keyword phrases.
Also, in Google's last update, exact match/broad match keywords are not as important now. Google is focusing on the "intention of the query." Which means, Google is trying to deliver results based upon what it thinks the searcher really wants to know, whether that searcher's vocabulary matches words on your page or not.
TT: Easy to calculate: 1% keyword density: 1 keyword per 100 words.
3% is 3 Keywords per 100 words.
Mark: Calculating how many times a kw is used is easy.
What we should not do, is to load up our articles with keywords simply because of SEO purposes. In other words, use them wisely, not as Fluff.
On another angle--everyone keeps suggesting the Google keyword tool..but I can never get there, or get in.
All I ever get is a page to "set up account," and "calculate your budget." I'm not selling anything; not 'advertising' in that sense. I can't afford to pay.
But I can never find the free part that everyone says exists... What am I doing wrong?
It's a new tool now called the Keyword Planner. Sign in with your Gmail account, and look under Tools in the menu bar; you will see Keyword planner. Click that, and then click on "Search for a new keyword and ad group ideas."
Enter your phrase that you want ideas for in the box, and click get ideas. and a bunch of keywords related to your search will come up with average monthly searches for each keyword or phrase on that theme.
Not finding any such listing on the menu bar. I have only "apps," and there is no "keyword planner" under that menu. Next, is just "Google," and there is no menu there; it only opens another tab.
The other three things on the menu/task bar are bookmarks to sites I placed there myself.
On the far right, under the icon that looks like lines on a page, there is, far down the list, a selection for "tools," but under that sub-heading, there is nothing about "keyword planner." That list of "tools" includes only these items:
Create application shortcuts...
Clear browsing data...
Report an Issue...
Java script console
No "keyword planner" showing anywhere!
Ok, disregard..I did get it to show up by typing it into the search box, but is sure doesn't show up anywhere on any task or menu bar. Maybe that's because my OS is outdated??
Sorry - The Keyword Planner is part of Adwords not Gmail, I did not make that clear. I meant you would use your Gmail user id and login to get into Adwords. That is where you will find the keyword planner hiding under tools.
You need an AdWords account, not an AdSense account.
Just sign up for an account; it's free:
I got that far--and was faced with this screen, reading thusly:
1. Choose your budget
2. Create your ads
3. Select keywords that match your ads to potential customers
4. Enter your billing information.
Certainly does not appear to be free!
But, that was before the reply above, letting me know the 'tools' button was in there...rather than on the generic Google task bar...they sure hide it--they'd rather you pay, I'm sure.
All of which brings up my next question/puzzlement.
I keep seeing advice for choosing keywords with "high competition." It defies logic.
I would think you'd want the words with high searches and LOW competition!!!
"It's a jungle out there," and how can you stand out/be found, if you are competing with thousands of others .....???
Remember, that is for advertisers - for people who want to buy the ads shown on your Hubs. As a publisher, you want to choose keywords with high competition because those will pay you more money if someone clicks on an AdSense ad. Understand?
Competition for search results is something you do need to be concerned with, and those are not found on the Keyword Planner. To find number of competing webpages, just run a search on Google and look at the top of the page. Then, run the search again putting the keyword phrase inside quotations.
If I had to pay you for all of this advice, I'd go broke.
However, I make a mean chicken soup and outstanding chopped chicken liver, so if you ever get to Florida, I'll feed you all you can eat!
What amazes me about you, in addition to your knowledge, is that you are sitting in the middle of a war zone doing all this.
My yarmulkah is off to you, my friend...pardon the spelling, but you know what I mean. I'm MOT, too.
Thanks. Chickens are my favorite. Alas, I left America in 1999 and shall never return.
After 3,055 rockets and 31 mortars from Iranian controlled Hamas in Gaza City, there is a temporary cease fire. We expect their attacks to begin again for Rosh Hashanah next month. Now, we are getting hit from rockets fired in Lebanon from the Syrian Civil War.
The U.K. announced yesterday that it is under a severe alert for Islamic terrorist attacks:
The King of Saudi Arabia just announced a warning to the U.K. of immediate planned attacks by Jihadist terrorists and said attacks are planned for the U.S. the following month. (He's not on their side; he hates them.)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/i … -1.1922590
The U.S. just bombed ISIS targets in Iraq.
All of our reserve soldiers have returned to their homes and school starts tomorrow for Israel's two million children. (We are a small country!)
I worry about you who live in the U.S. and the U.K. I hope your countries survive. The descendants of Jacob (Israel) have always been targeted by the enemies of our God. But we will survive. Because, if we do not, then there is no God.
I didn't know you lived in Israel. There will always be wars, but Israel will indeed survive. May God keep you!
I didn't realize that you lived in Israel either. Stay safe and I hope ISIS aren't able to get in the US.
Israel's situation is horrible and always has been, yet, the people there somehow have managed to survive and create a life there. I simply do not know how you do it.
I have had Israeli friends when I was in college and to me they seemed so strong, both mentally and physically. I guess you have to be to live in Israel.
We in the US have been conditioned to think that nothing will happen to us. That we are safe here. Even after 9/11 people are complacent.
I have friends who will fly to Ireland in a few weeks and have tried to warn them not to go, but they think I'm being foolish. I'm not foolish. I'm scared!
I'm scared not just for myself, but for the world because things have spiraled out of control and nobody seems to be able to get a handle on these situations.
It isn't just the wars. Here there are shootings now, every single day in the news...locally! The climate changes have brought horrible conditions to the US...floods, fires, mud slides, earthquakes...you name it.
Many sit in their homes thinking "I'm glad it isn't me"...but it IS "me", and "you" and everybody.
One thing I know for sure is that if Israel loses this war (or any that may come), we all are lost.
God bless you, my friend, and take good care of yourself. I will pray for you, your country, my country and the world. It is all an old lady like me can do.
U.K. Prime Minister said this in a speech delivered on August 29, when the terrorist threat level was raised to 'severe.'
"We've all be shocked and sickened by the barbaric murder of American journalist James Foley [publically beheaded and the video of his killing shown on the Internet] and by the voice of what increasingly seems to have been a British terrorist recorded on that video. It was clear evidence – not that any more was needed – that this is not some foreign conflict, thousands of miles from home, that we can hope to ignore. The ambition to create an extremist caliphate in the heart of Iraq and Syria is a threat to our own security here in the U.K. And, that is in addition to the many other Al Qaeda-inspired terrorist groups that exist in that region. The first ISIS-inspired terrorist acts on the continent of Europe have already taken place. We now believe that at least 500 people have traveled to fight in Syria and potentially Iraq.
"Let's be clear about the source of the threat which we face. The terrorist threat was not created by the Iraq war ten years ago. It existed even before the horrific attacks on 9/11, themselves sometime before the Iraq war.
"This threat cannot be solved simply by dealing with the perceived grievances over Western foreign policy. Nor can it be dealt with by addressing poverty, dictatorship or instability in the region, as important as these things are. The root cause of this threat to our security is quite clear. It is a poisonous ideology of Islamist extremism that is condemned by all faiths and by all faith leaders. It believes in using the most brutal forms of terrorism to force people to accept a warped world view and to live in an almost medieval state. A state in which its own citizens would suffer unimaginable brutality, including barbaric beheadings of those who refuse to convert to their warped version of Islam; the enslavement and raping of women; and the widespread slaughter of Muslims by fellow Muslims. And, of course, the exporting of terrorism abroad.
"So this is about a battle between Islam on the one hand and extremists who want to abuse Islam on the other. It is absolutely vital that we make this distinction between religion and political ideology. Islam is a religion observed peacefully and devoutly by over 1 billion people. It is a source of spiritual guidance which daily inspires millions to countless acts of kindness.
"Islamist extremism is a poisonous political ideology supported by a minority. These extremists, often funded by fanatics living comfortably far away from the battlefields, pervert the Islamic faith as a way of justifying their warped and barbaric ideology.
"Now this is not a new problem: we have seen this extremism before here in our own country. We saw it with the sickening murder of Lee Rigby and we saw it too with the home grown 7/7 bombers who blew up tube trains and buses. The links between what happens overseas and what happens here has also always been there. Many of those who sought to do us harm in the past have been foreign nationals living in Britain or even British citizens who have returned from terrorist training camps in Pakistan or elsewhere around the world.
"But what we’re facing in Iraq now with ISIS is a greater and deeper threat to our security than we have known before. In Afghanistan, the Taliban were prepared to play host to Al Qaeda, a terrorist organization. With ISIS, we are facing a terrorist organization not being hosted in a country but actually seeking to establish and then violently expand its own terrorist state. And with designs on expanding to Jordan and Lebanon, right up to the Turkish border, we could be facing a terrorist state on the shores of the Mediterranean and bordering a NATO member.
"Now, we cannot appease this ideology. We have to confront it at home and abroad."
Someday it will stop! What does war really accomplish. Killing of the innocent and destruction for what!
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