Big News from HubPages - Acquired by Maven

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  1. MomsTreasureChest profile image90
    MomsTreasureChestposted 2 years ago

    How long do you have to leave an article unpublished before you could publish the exact article on another platform?  Just wondering, thanks.

    1. HoneyBB profile image95
      HoneyBBposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think if you unpublish it and request that Google unindex it, you can republish it and ask that it be indexed. Each process might take a couple of days. Just guessing on this.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        When I've unpublished from one site and republished on another, it takes minutes. I go to Google and ask them to un-index it.It's done almost immediately.

  2. Miebakagh57 profile image43
    Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

    The word "invited" by maven is very bad. What or who is maven inviting? And,for what purpose? Don't any hubber see division of the whole hub community?
    The word invited should be deleted. Welcome is a much better word. Every hubber would then find his/her foot and, rightly too.

    1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      By 'invite', Maven means that they approach people with high traffic and ask them to put their work on Maven's site in return for some shares.

      Maven does not, in any way, generate income for the writers. They merely offer shares in exchange for technology and shares.

      So, no, I do not think that Maven is going to offer 'good writers' an opportunity to earn more money.

      I think Maven is going to look at hubbers who have existing high traffic on hp and offer those hubbers their own 'channel' (a sort of website through Maven), but Maven won't generate traffic or income for them. Maven wants their traffic in exchange for shares.

      That is what I think is going on here.

      1. sallybea profile image96
        sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        So why would they be interested in moving?  Shares surely would not be incentive enough.

        1. HoneyBB profile image95
          HoneyBBposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I think whether on Maven or Hubpages we will all be under the same new ad design that Maven has brought to the table and we will earn from those ads like we did in December. I think the shares that people get who join Maven will be in addition to their ad money.

          1. Solaras profile image96
            Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            That was my thought, just because it seems logical.

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          James Heckman builds up sites in order to sell them to the big movers and shakers. So, for instance, he might buy hp, then buildup Maven, then, at a certain point, sell to Google or facebook for billions.

          That means if one received 50 shares in Maven currently valued at $2, by the time the company is sold to (example facebook), the shares would then be worth what fb shares are.

          People who speculate would be very interested in that.

          I assume that is what Paul Edmonton is interested in.

    2. HoneyBB profile image95
      HoneyBBposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Invited is Maven's main focus on how to build a stellar site. We hubbers will still have our place here on hubpages whether we're invited to have a place on Maven or not. The good thing is our income will still increase on Hubpages because The Hubpage team will be using Maven's ad tech that brought us higher wages in December.

  3. DzyMsLizzy profile image93
    DzyMsLizzyposted 2 years ago

    So I'm seeing contradictory things in this thread, as others have also stated.

    1) Either Hub Pages will continue to exist as Hub Pages, or
    2)  Hub pages will be "absorbed" into Maven

    You cannot have it both ways.  That is "highly illogical."  It's one or the other, and from what I've read in this thread, and in the original blog post, #2 seems the more likely scenario.

    If Maven pays zero to writers, then
    1) Writers go broke or
    2)  Their articles retain HP's ad program and income

    That seems like another "make up your mind, please!"

    Hub Pages has to only give us 7 days notice?  That is hardly adequate!  If the corporate transfer process takes 90 days (why the hell not just say 3 months?!), then writers should get the same timeframe!

    This news is upsetting to me, as it comes when I have [b]finally, after 6+ years here,{/b] begun reaching payout every month!!!  The timing, for me, could not be worse.  I'm also pretty sure I'm not the only one in this situation!

    #notamused

    1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Maven doesn't pay writers. Hubpages does,as hubpages continues to operate as hubpages. However, those writers that are invited to join Maven (get their own channel separate from hp) will be offered shares. No mention of payment is made.

      Yes, three months notice is given that hubpages will be joining Maven. However, how much notice will be given of the Terms of Service? These are different things.

    2. Jean Bakula profile image95
      Jean Bakulaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Ms. Lizzy,

      At least you saved a lot of your work in Word documents. I've always saved all of those, and didn't really need to do anything more sophisticated than that. At one time I was writing on two other writing sites besides this one, and had my own blog, so it was easier to keep each article separate, I would move them wherever they did better.. If you delete a hub, the copyright date won't protect you. But I have had so much stolen, and wrote it all so many years ago, I don't even care at this point.

      Try not to worry. We will hear more and do what we each have to do.

      It's gone from, "Will I own my own writing?" to "I bought stock in Maven." It's absurd.

  4. WryLilt profile image92
    WryLiltposted 2 years ago

    Flashbacks to the Squidoo takeover. I'm glad that a large part of my income now comes from my own sites and based on that - I can enjoy a positive outlook on how Hubpages will move forward. It's much easier to be optimistic when you don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

    I'm just a little sad that it's the end of an era, since this is where I got my start in online content creation.

    As you've been told by multiple people, multiple times - start your own sites. Learn and apply your knowledge across multiple platforms. The Internet is an ever changing beast.

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Great advice, but you need to remember that few have your training or skills.  I've tried blogging twice and have failed miserably both times.

      1. WryLilt profile image92
        WryLiltposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Training? Skill? It's 90% all self taught. When I first started writing here, I knew nothing about SEO and I even had poems and stories published here.

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Let's not be modest.  You know as well as I do that it takes a special skill set to be able to run successful websites.  It also takes a certain amount of intelligence and work ethic. You are a highly talented person who knows not only how to write but how to market and also handle tech issues.  Most here, me included, simply do not have those skills.

    2. makingamark profile image73
      makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      +1

      If you write for the internet and want to earn then an ESSENTIAL part of your skill set needs to relate to marketing that writing.

      1. Chriswillman90 profile image97
        Chriswillman90posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Most people do not have that option, it's extremely difficult to gain any traction by going off on your own especially in today's extremely saturated market.

        Writers like yourself have had years of experience and a niche that has been successful, that's not going to apply to 99 percent of hubbers.

      2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        And that's fine if you're the kind of person who enjoys marketing. Personally, I hate it. I also loathe being marketed to. What I enjoy about hubpages is tt's a simple matter of SEO.

        1. makingamark profile image73
          makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Me too. I just create an associated Facebook Page every time I create a new website and then use that to announce new content
          - but I also use it to highlight other news relevant to the topic from other people
          - and it if you create interesting content then you get a following
          - and then you get traffic to your website

          Plus I have an AdBlocker on all the time!

          1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
            TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            You're an artist. You sell something specific.

            I don't have anything specific to sell.

            I'm a geek, an intellectual, etc. I write about a thousand things because I read a lot, abbreviate the collective knowledge and write about it.

            Hubpages suits me because I can write about anything.

            The moment one gets a website, it has to be specific. It has to be focused on one thing. Certainly, when that is done, you can go to facebook and open a page, and if people search for it, it may (or may not) come up). However, you also have to have a following and that starts from somewhere.

            I do have a following - but it's political, atheist, and economic. And I don't make make from that. I also don't wish to.

            My hp income comes from a bunch of articles that are specifically researched with SEO in mind, i.e. they're written on a topic that people search for where there aren't so many articles about it.

            I don't even have it in me to advertise book I write. I truly loathe having to put what I offer forward for purchase. It feels like selling my soul for money.  I can't do that.

        2. WryLilt profile image92
          WryLiltposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I like marketing but most of my income doesn't come from that. I have barely written on my main website for the last year and it still supports my entire family - with traffic coming from 75% SEO and about 20% Pinterest.

          I'm a big fan of passive set and forget income. My primary way of doing that in saturated niches is to answer entry level questions. No competition and easy to rank high for with no work.

          1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
            TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I'd like to know more.  What are your websites? URL?

            I have an unholy terror that stops me from getting one.

            Interestingly, when I first went to America in 2003/4, I had a very successful one. I closed it because it embarrassed me.

            I didn't like my name being on the web.

            1. Marisa Wright profile image95
              Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Tessa, I can't help noticing a pattern in your online adventures.  You start something and you're successful (which proves you can do it) - but then something goes wrong, and your reaction is to delete everything and run away, instead of stopping to see if there's something you can do to remedy the problem.  It would be a good idea to try to change that behaviour. 

              For instance, if instead of deleting your books, you'd simply removed them from the Select program, you might have found your sales would have risen again. Equally, I know you deleted all your Hubs at one point, when it would've been better if you had not. It sounds like you did something similar with your successful website. 

              Do you still have the content for that website? Any reason why you couldn't recreate it?

              Here's some information about Susannah
              http://susannahbirch.com/online/

              1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Never thought of it that way, but you're right. Yes, I do delete and run. I think I'm scared of punishment of some sort. Years of abuse and all that. In South African Afrikaanerdom, there is a saying "From happiness comes difficulty." That's the literal translation.So I probably screw myself both ways.  If I'm successful, I run away because I'm scared of consequences, and if I fail, I run away as a result of shame and humiliation.

                I used to have my webpages saved. Possibly on an external harddrive somewhere. It was a site containing my writing. I was approached by two advertising agencies and two Hollywood producers. One Hollywood producer arranged for me to do a scriptwriting course with the Writer's Guild of America and I turned it down. I also turned down the opportunity to write film because he didn't mention payment. In those days, I still couldn't talk. Conversation has always been very difficult for me.

                I'm ashamed because in real life I'm weird and odd and say things that are not socially acceptable. I've had to move 5 times in the last 12 months because I've upset so many people by things I've said. None of it was malicious - just people being upset over bs.

                Now I have finally found my own little apartment - a suite in a serviced hotel (boarding house) courtesy of Jewish Social Services. My sister is paying for half of it and I am paying the other half. I depend on my income from hubpages to pay for food.I'm going to do my best not to upset anyone. I wish people didn't want to talk to me. I always say the wrong thing.

                It's hard to live with shame and failure, Marisa. There used to be a time when I just used to get up and I used to try anything, but the years have worn me down.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                  Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  It is hard when you're the kind of person who can't forgive yourself.  I have some sense of what that's like.

                  I used to work for a woman I envied and loathed at the same time.  I loathed her because she was inclined to treat people badly, either accidentally or on purpose, and she didn't seem to care.  But at the same time, I envied her because within an hour she'd forgotten all about it.  Whereas if I did something to embarrass myself or upset someone, I would make myself miserable, agonizing about it afterwards for days.  I wish I was able to put things behind me more easily.

                  1. Solaras profile image96
                    Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Marisa, you sound like a normal person, and your previous employer was a sociopath. If you have a conscience, you agonize over something that may have hurt or upset someone for days, unless you apologize and clear the air, which is hard for some people to do.

    3. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Too much work.
      Too much knowledge of technology required.
      Too much money needs to be invested.

      I'm a writer.

      I simply don't want to do that.

      Just curious.

      Where are our sites? I'd like to look.

      And, yes, it's sad.

      I guess writing is going to go the way of the dodo.

      1. makingamark profile image73
        makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I think "Generalists" might well find it difficult to find places to write in future. Unless you write for a magazine - and even then they have dedicated people for different topics

        However there are quite a few people with specialist interests who meet the "expert author" criteria of Google which means their sites - if they create/float them off - will be much in demand

        No way is writing going to die - it will just evolve in terms of who does what and why

        Google has been telling us for years that it wants experts so if you want to write online and get read you need to be an expert.

        1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          "Google has been telling us for years that it wants experts so if you want to write online and get read you need to be an expert."

          I'm well aware of that.

          I just don't have any one specific thing that I have the emotional energy to focus on. I'm not that passionate about any one thing. Nor can I see how any of them can make me money.

          I'm autistic.Specifically, I'm a geek, an intellectual, an ideas person. I don't do people very well. And marketing involves people.

          So you're telling me something I already know but am hoping I find a way around - that I can continue to generate an income on the web.

          Honestly, the only way I can think of is write books.

          1. makingamark profile image73
            makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            So if I said I was a geekie intellectual who was the resident ideas person at work - who deals with people better at a distance than face to face ( I LOVE working at home on my own) - and that I also enjoy writing as an expert?

            I think you're telling yourself stories rather than having a go.
            Look upon it as an intellectual challenge. I made it work so you can too.....

            I'm getting lots of client work because I write about how to solve problems for a  set of very specific people. My income doesn't come from advertising any more - it comes from assignments.

            1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
              TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I get that you are involved with art.

              No, I'm not telling myself things. I'm in my late 60s. If I don't know myself by now, I never will.

              I understand you're very successful, and many people are, but I honestly don't want to deal with people at any level. I'm autistic. I find it extremely stressful.

              Marisa has often spoken to me about getting my own website.

              I honestly don't have it in  me.

              1. sallybea profile image96
                sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                You know about autism!   Why not become an expert at it?  You won't have to deal with people if you write from home.   Like Makingmark I too work from home and on my OWN and I love it.  I do know is that the latest action by HubPages has made me much more likely to do what I have been putting off for ages.  I am determined to see the positive even if it means leaving everything behind to start fresh again.

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                  TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  To be honest, I have thought about writing about adult learning disabilities and autism. All learning disabilities are on the autistic spectrum.  How do you make money out if it?

                  1. sallybea profile image96
                    sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    We were discussing the Niche Sites so the idea would be to become an expert in that field.  If this new deal works out you should still be able to make money on Maven (HubPages)  (especially if you are writing within a niche subject). At least that is what I am still thinking.  We will just have to wait for a positive outcome.  You could monetize a site of your own.

              2. paradigmsearch profile image61
                paradigmsearchposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                In regards to my previous post, zero people interaction is involved. smile

                [Update] And money or not, only do it if it is fun.

                1. sallybea profile image96
                  sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Definitely, only do it if it is fun and if you are having fun and making money then you are on to a winner.

              3. makingamark profile image73
                makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Tess - that means you are 6 years older than me. I've been on a constant learning curve since I took early retirement. It stops the brain going stale.

                If you can cope with communicating with all of us then you can cope with developing your own sites and writing about what you are expert in. Think about it from the perspective of your accomplishments and achievements despite being autistic.

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                  TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I guess I am scared. Had some radical failures. I know that I am a good writer and researcher, and I take pride in my work.

                  It has probably taken me every one of the 24 years I have been on the web to learn to communicate. I cannot tell you how many times I have fallen flat on my face as a result of human miscommunication.

                  At this point, I am happy that I am communicating much better on hubpages, but my learning curve is very slow in all things human.

                  I do better at geeky things - there I have a fast learning curve. No emotions. No sarcasm. No flirting. etc.

                  I was going to try writing on Medium and linking to Patreon, then discovered that Medium doesn't payout in South Africa.

                  1. makingamark profile image73
                    makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Just stick with it - treat it as a problem that needs to be figured out and don't worry about the people aspect.

  5. eugbug profile image98
    eugbugposted 2 years ago

    If we do move content, what's the easiest way to do it without a lot of page rebuilding, copying and pasting text and images etc?
    Can we simply use the existing HTML files corresponding to each hub, edit out any logos of the niche sites from code and then add them to a new website?

    1. makingamark profile image73
      makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No if you take an html file then you're probably also taking some of the code that belongs to the system and the site and that belongs to Paul

      You need a pdf version as an archive or an html copy so you have a working file within your archive and you know what it looks and how it works.  However you can't publish it if it includes any of Paul's code.

      What I do is to do is extract and strip text as you copy and paste and then you know you're starting on a fresh site with clean code i.e. just text and that new site's underlying code.  That way you don't foul the new site's code by importing code from the HubPages templates.

    2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is no easy way to do this.  It will be time consuming and difficult and fraught with theft problems.

      1. jackclee lm profile image85
        jackclee lmposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        The best way is to create a PDF file using the browser and print to file.

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          You still have to place the file on a site, format it, add photos, etc.  Lots of work when you have 100 plus articles.

        2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Please explain how to do this in more detail.  Specifically how do you create a PDF file from a published hub?

          1. jackclee lm profile image85
            jackclee lmposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Her is my article on backup -
            “https://hubpages.com/community” “How-to-Backup-Your-Hubs”
            Search for it since I cannot post the actual link...

      2. makingamark profile image73
        makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        @TIMETRAVELLER2 - Not really.

        All the ones I've moved so far are installed on my new websites and are working just fine.  I work on the principle of one hub to a web page - although because my hubs have tended to be very long some of them break out to several pages - and generate more traffic as a result because you can tailor keywords and meta descriptions to suit

        In fact here's an incentive - they all actually look much better because of the greater flexibility re format and images and ability to space etc etc smile
        Amazing what you can do with the website hosts who make it their mission in life to take the techie challenge out of website building.

        In fact I always thought HubPages best option re. the future was to create an arrangement whereby they offered a website package in the same way as others do
        * freebie option (where they include some advertising)
        * starter package (no adverts - unless agreed or you use your own adsense / Amazon)
        * business package (for those who want a site to sell things from and need a shop and ecommerce package)
        * pro package for those wanting the all singing all dancing mega traffic site - which I guess is essentially what Maven will offer to "the invited ones". I wonder if they'll have to pay for it....?

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          So which website hosts do you recommend?

          1. makingamark profile image73
            makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I use Weebly - and then use the Starter Pack to get out from under the fact Google doesn't index the free sites and it also removes their advertising strapline
            My sites are HUGE - I've got two up and running and two more big ones I'm building.

            One has had very nearly half a million visitors and over 650,000 pageviews on a very niche topic - and not one you can easily muscle in on smile I have 'global standing' (as in know most of the key people) It's now the top site in the world for the topic.

            The thing I found was being able to link all my "cluster" hubs together on one site:
            * made me want to write a lot more new stuff
            * made them a much more powerful presence in the Google rankings than they were when written by one author on Squidoo or HubPages - and the traffic has trended upwards constantly since they started.

            Interestingly the income profiles are completely different. eg one where I have competition from a small number of other sites has low but steady income from AdSense and Amazon sales - but constantly generates off site income via magazine article fees, lecturing gigs and consultancy income - all of which stem from and reference back to the site. Those then open me up to more people who generate more assignments etc. It also makes it a lot more interesting for me.

            1. lobobrandon profile image90
              lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              That's really nice. Congrats smile If I may ask did you do any link building etc? I wonder what happened to the pethelpful link building campaign.

              1. makingamark profile image73
                makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Absolutely none. I focused on network building.

                When I build a site I create
                1) a news blog on the site
                2) a dedicated Facebook Page alongside it - which provides a "funnel" of interest - and also allows me to post little titbits of on topic info which reinforce the 'expert' profile and allow from time to time reference back to my existing page on the same topic.  But I make sure I have LOTS of stuff on Facebook which doesn't reference my site.

                There is no quicker way to switch people off than a blog which only references your writings.....

                1. lobobrandon profile image90
                  lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Agreed, sounds like a good plan.

                  1. makingamark profile image73
                    makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    It's a slow burn - absolutely nothing happens overnight - but if you keep an eye on your numbers the focus on networking seems to generate a steady upwards trend in terms of traffic and Google rankings.

                    The joy comes when your new pages go straight on to the front page of Google for the relevant query (and yes I know how to check this without viewing via my own account!)

                    PS I have never ever bought links - wouldn't know where to start. That's not to say I haven't had a lot of people trying to get links from me!

  6. paradigmsearch profile image61
    paradigmsearchposted 2 years ago

    Been seeing the posts about generalist websites. For what it's worth, my generalist site is getting triple-digit weekly views and triple-digit weekly users. That's the good news.

    The bad news is it used to be much more, but took a sudden drop late last year and has not yet recovered. What to conclude? I have no idea. Still working on the site and still hoping the drop is seasonal temporary.

    1. lobobrandon profile image90
      lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've been doing SEO with a lot of success for clients for the last 6 years. PD if you want me to take a look at your site send me an email. I'd look it over when I get the time.

      1. paradigmsearch profile image61
        paradigmsearchposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Thanks. Right now I'm doing an HP and throwing out all the stuff Analytics says Google hates. big_smile

        And updating everything else to year 2018.

        1. lobobrandon profile image90
          lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Oh lol. I just update the stuff one would think Google hates and I make it the best on the internet and it seems to work smile

          1. paradigmsearch profile image61
            paradigmsearchposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I am indeed doing that with stuff that is borderline. As for what I am throwing out, trust me, it deserves it. lol

            1. Marisa Wright profile image95
              Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I think you're making a big mistake deleting stuff, unless you're convinced it's rubbish (and you don't write rubbish). 

              Just because Google doesn't send traffic to an article, that does NOT mean Google hates it.  It just means no one is searching for it.   

              To be successful, blogs and websites need size as well as good content.  So even articles that don't get Google traffic are worth keeping, because they add to the bulk of the site.  And anyway, once real people arrive on the site, they may find those pages. 

              Of course, constantly deleting articles creates lots of 404 pages, which Google says it doesn't penalise you for, but it can still have an impact if there's too many.

              1. lobobrandon profile image90
                lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                +1 this is why I don't delete pages on my sties that are not really generating search traffic. It adds to the bulk of the site and building authority as an expert. The more (stellar) content you have on a topic the more of an expert you are. So if a page is not receiving traffic and I notice that there's room for improvement I improve it rather than deleting it. Of course, you need to spend your time wisely. So in the same time, if you could create a new page which you think has the potential to rank, I would do that instead.

                Btw Marisa, I've been on skype calls with John Muller from Google and nope multiple 404s do not have a negative impact even if they are in the 1000s the only problem it could have is regarding user experience. I'm sure you know this, just pointing it out for others that read this.

              2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Generally I would agree with you. That said, I know I am going to be taking off a couple of hubs because I don't feel comfortable with them. It was not my best work, and I cannot think of any way to improve them.

              3. makingamark profile image73
                makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I'd definitely agree with you. Some webpages topics don't get much traffic - but they add to the completeness of the site and the credibility in terms of expertise. There again you'd be surprised at some of the very niche topics on a website that mean you are the ONLY expert in the world writing on it in any depth!  I suspect Google really likes you if you don't have much if any competition!

                My philosophy has always been to archive as I delete. Just because something doesn't work right now doesn't mean to say it won't in two years time - and then I can resurrect and revise the content and republish.

                Just be really systematic as you archive!

          2. DrMark1961 profile image99
            DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Is there really a way to do that? I have some articles that consistently get 0 page views per day. They meet all of HP "stellar" requirements, and I can not figure out how to improve them. If an article never does well, is it worth spending the time revamping it?

            1. lobobrandon profile image90
              lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Of course. I'm not sure about the HP domain anymore, but the niche sites for sure. Unless it's super duper competitive there's always a way to get it to rank decently. Just by writing a long article you're unknowingly covering a lot of keywords.

              This is what I would do provided my main search term does have a decent search volume (non-zero a month):

              Google the term and look at the top 10 results and make your article longer than them all. Not just fluff but actual helpful information. Split it up into sections add pictures and videos. Write an amazing introduction that tells the visitor that they've come to the right place.

              At the end of the day, you want to have a longer retention time than the competition and a lower bounce rate than the competition. You can't compare these, but when you look at analytics you would know what a good average time and bounce rate is.

              P.S: Writing from my phone and I'm just writing down stuff as it comes to me. I hope it reads well and makes sense.

              Edit: If the page is not already ranking in the top 5 pages I would personally not re-work on it as that's an indicator that the competition is strong. Again this is considering the fact that your page is already a stellar hub.

              1. DrMark1961 profile image99
                DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks for that excellent reply. No, it is not even on the front page. It is about 1300 words, and the top rated article is about 2000.
                I could add some more about alternatives for people that cannot afford vet care, but I do not know that it is worth the effort. What tool are you using to determine search volume?

                1. lobobrandon profile image90
                  lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I use SEMRush, but like I said I do SEO so I have an account. If you want me to check a few terms for you shoot me an email. An alternative to do it for free is the adword keyword tool. I think SEM rush offers you 10 searches a day for free, too.

                  I meant on the first 5 pages not first page smile Just a ballpark figure though. That's my personal benchmark.

              2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                +1111

            2. Marisa Wright profile image95
              Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Sometimes, no matter what you do, an article won't get traffic because there's too much existing competition.

              On your own website or blog (which is what we're talking about), that doesn't matter as much, because the article is still contributing to the bulk of keyword-rich material on the site.  Also, real readers will browse around your site and find it - you can even highlight it in various ways to encourage them.

  7. theraggededge profile image99
    theraggededgeposted 2 years ago

    I have to say I am uplifted by the way people here are helping and supporting each other during this 'crisis'. Thank you all.

    1. makingamark profile image73
      makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Same thing happened as we came to the end of Squidoo. We had support groups sprouting everywhere (off site) where people shared information and looked at options and talked things over in terms of what to do next - and subsequently then fed back as to which options they liked and didn't like re placing material elsewhere. It was quite uplifting in a weird sort of way. 

      It also helped people get over the very real sense of bitterness that some had about believing in something and then watching it disappear in front of you.

      It also helped with the huge stress levels for those who had huge amounts of content to deal with - and I'm talking reputable sound people here.

  8. HoneyBB profile image95
    HoneyBBposted 2 years ago

    A new email from Paul is reassuring also. Thanks for keeping us in the know.

    1. bravewarrior profile image93
      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When did you get a new email from Paul and what did he have to say?

      1. Shesabutterfly profile image96
        Shesabutterflyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I received one half an hour ago. It has zero new information in it. The information is presented slightly differently than in this forum, but all the information is the same. I didn't find anything reassuring about it.

        "HubPages and Network Sites will continue to exist and authors will continue to earn. In fact, one of our first projects will be to do some work and testing around improving yields."

        "Authors will still own their content on HubPages and Network Sites."

        "All current HubPages employees, including Paul Edmondson and Paul Deeds are staying onboard, plus we just hired 8 new editors and should be ramping up editing within the next few weeks."

        "Some HubPages authors may be invited to become Maven contributors in addition to writing on HP at some point in the future, so this will present an additional opportunity."

        These are the bullet points from the e-mail.

        1. bravewarrior profile image93
          bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Oh, you're talking about the HubPages Weekly. Yeah, I got that, too.

          We've covered so much more here in this forum than the "news alert" has. I hope Paul is tracking this very lengthy forum and seriously considering our concerns. As far as we know, only a Letter of Intent has been issued. I'm in construction. A Letter of Intent is just that; it's not a contract, meaning there's still time to back out. I sincerely hope Paul takes our concerns to heart and also his blood, sweat and tears that have been poured into making HP a profitable success, and decides against the merger. I think we'll all lose if it goes thru. This Maven guy has a habit of buying companies then selling them for a profit. I don't like the way this deal smells. I think Paul and the other HP heads should leave well enough alone, trust in themselves (and us) and continue to build HP into the wonderful site is has been and continues to be. I love my online "parents" and "siblings". I have no desire to be adopted. Don't we have a say?

      2. Glenn Stok profile image98
        Glenn Stokposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        She's referring to the weekly newsletter that we get from HubPages every Wednesday.

        1. bravewarrior profile image93
          bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, I figured that out, Glenn. See my response above.

    2. makingamark profile image73
      makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interestingly I posted yesterday the following

      "If he hasn't addressed the issues of
      1) copyright
      2) future Maven terms of service
      3) anticipated future remuneration model
      within the next 24 hours to most people's satisfaction you can be more or less certain there are problems afoot."

      Like I keep saying read this for what is NOT SAID as well as what is said.

      Nothing about future terms of service.
      Nothing about future remuneration models
      "and authors will continue to earn"  doesn't say nearly enough for me.

      1. DzyMsLizzy profile image93
        DzyMsLizzyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Exactly!  Continue to earn...what?  Peanuts?  Pennies?  Like I was before?  This comes at a bad time for me, just when the niche sites seem to have my income on the uptick enough to make payout most every month (finally, after 6+ years here!), I'm none too enthused about this news.

        1. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          MsLizzy, Christy has said HubPages will continue as it is.  Nothing is going to change.  They're making no promises about what may happen in the future, but that's fair enough.

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not quite sure why it took you so long to earn on hp.The first time it took me 3 months and in under a year (I didn't even stay that long due to all the trolling) I was earning substantially more than basic payout.

          The second time I was joining from squidoo and had about three articles. I didn't bother to write here for at least a year. When I started writing again, it was much slower to reach payout. Once I started writing a few articles a month again, it took me 6 months. And within another 6 months I was reaching payout every month.

          Your writing is excellent. I think your choice of topic with regard to topic titles might have been in issue in terms of Google traffic. Very important to get a title that is searched for.

          I wish you all success now that you are finally earning.

  9. Solaras profile image96
    Solarasposted 2 years ago

    Paul had said they were looking at creating new niche sites. I hope they will look to create a fine arts site, with art history, photography, music (classical, jazz and Broadway) and dance.

    1. Sue Adams profile image95
      Sue Adamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      +1

    2. makingamark profile image73
      makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      +1

  10. sundaramponnusamy profile image94
    sundaramponnusamyposted 2 years ago

    I do feel the same......

  11. MelRootsNWrites profile image91
    MelRootsNWritesposted 2 years ago

    This is what I've wanted a clearer understanding of.  If the two will be separate except for the writers invited to Maven, then I will give a big sigh of relief.

  12. Jan Saints profile image88
    Jan Saintsposted 2 years ago

    How do you remove startpage.com from your firefox homepage? Want my firefox homepage back.

    1. theraggededge profile image99
      theraggededgeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Go into your browser settings and change the homepage URL.

  13. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image94
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 2 years ago

    Jan, you can download Iobit free uninstaller to easily remove unwanted programs and add ons.

    1. theraggededge profile image99
      theraggededgeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It's not a program, it's a URL. A browser home-page.

  14. MomsTreasureChest profile image90
    MomsTreasureChestposted 2 years ago

    As the saying goes, Yesterday's the past, Tomorrow's the future...so the statement saying that they make no promises about the future is just as unsettling. Tomorrow is the future, so change can happen at any time. Be prepared. In the past Hubpages owners have been considerate and given notice, such as with ending the answers section or with expert review program, etc. In the future, meaning anytime after today, changes may not come with as much notice, so have a plan in place. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

  15. Kylyssa profile image92
    Kylyssaposted 2 years ago

    When do the URLs change so I can delete my articles for which a change in URL will break contracts with print publishers?

    1. theraggededge profile image99
      theraggededgeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We've been told they won't change.

    2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      URLs will not change unless you accept an invitation from Maven to join their site.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image95
        Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        To be totally correct, that statement should read:

        There are no plans to change the URL's of the niche sites (or the Hubs on niche sites). 

        If you accept an invitation to write for Maven, that is an invitation to write new articles and will not affect your existing Hubs (unless you choose to move them yourself). 

        HubPages is not making any guarantees about what may happen in the future, but promises there will be ample warning if any new decisions are made.

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I don't think that's quite right.  If Maven offers an invitation I think it means that they are asking you to move your existing niche site article plus all new ones to their site...not just that you can write new articles for them.

          1. kenyaentrepreneur profile image93
            kenyaentrepreneurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            No, TT2. Christy recently posted saying hp articles will stay put. Anyone invited to join will write new content.

            1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
              TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I disagree.  Maybe Christy can clear this one up.  As far as I understand it, once you move over to the Maven site, you no longer are on HubPages...which means that if you accept an invite your work will be added to appropriate channels.  Christy, if you see this, please explain.  Thanks

              1. HoneyBB profile image95
                HoneyBBposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I don't understand what makes you think accepting an invite to join Maven will take away your Hubpage account. It seems to me that at this time the plan is to keep Hubpages as it is and if you get invited to put content on the Maven that will be separate almost as if one has nothing to do with the other.

                1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
                  TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  This is not what I said.. As I understand it, if you are invited to join Maven,  any work you  transfer to them or create for them is separate from that on HP.   For example, I have well over a million views.  I have to assume they would want me to bring my work over to them in order to create a new channel for it, rather than just  writing new articles for them because this is where the immediate profit would be for them.  If they invite me and I say yes, I will be giving them all rights to my work., which means I lose total control over it. However,  I can still write on HP if I choose to do so.

              2. lobobrandon profile image90
                lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Nope your work won't be moved it's just like being invited to another site to write for them too. It's not an option to choose one or the other.

                1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
                  TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Show me where it says that.

                  1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                    TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    +1

                  2. theraggededge profile image99
                    theraggededgeposted 2 years agoin reply to this
                2. sallybea profile image96
                  sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  There is an option to move your work.   I have not seen anywhere that they would want the invited few to continue writing on both sites.  Perhaps that should be clarified!  It seems to be pretty clear that there won't be many invitations handed out to writers from here out so it is probably not an issue.  My biggest concern is that if it happens the quality content and writers will be diluted when they start writing on their own channels.

      2. Christy Kirwan profile image96
        Christy Kirwanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Accepting an invitation from Maven, should one be forthcoming (they are extremely exclusive with these, so we don't expect it to be a frequent thing) will have nothing to do with your existing articles and be separate from your relationship with HubPages and Network Sites.

        Your articles will stay on HubPages or Network Sites for the forseeable future unless you remove them.

        1. Solaras profile image96
          Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for all of the clarity Christie. I think we should all feel good about the change in the near term. We look forward to clever ad schemes that may boost our CPM.

          I hope the new editors enjoyed their first week.  Remind them that Amazon capsules that sell products are Amazon capsules that well deserves to remain in articles!

          1. lobobrandon profile image90
            lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Haha. Yeah Amazon capsules must stay.

  16. Gregory DeVictor profile image96
    Gregory DeVictorposted 2 years ago

    That came straight from the Gates Hillman Center at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh. Just what will they come up with next?

  17. Paul Edmondson profile imageSTAFF
    Paul Edmondsonposted 2 years ago

    We are very excited about what we can do for Hubbers. I’ve been on the road this week with our new Maven team.

    Our first focus is bringing better monetization to HubPages. We have deals with two new bidding partners in the works.

    Maven is a very dynamic forward thinking company that is aggressively perusing meaningful opportunities to add scale.

    For all the folks at HubPages, we have two major goals for you.

    1. Make more money
    2. Drive more traffic

    We are working through high level multi year plans and strategies to better serve independent publishers and passionate experts.

    For the Maven to complete due diligence, audits, and other steps to close the agreement, it will take multiple months.

    We’ve been running HubPages 12 years, outlasted many folks and are now thriving. As I’ve said before, we have a multi year commitment tied to the success of HubPages.

    We will keep you posted as plans become public.

    Thanks!

    1. janshares profile image95
      jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks! So in other words, chill. Things will remain the same for a while. smile

      1. paradigmsearch profile image61
        paradigmsearchposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        +1 big_smile

      2. Will Apse profile image92
        Will Apseposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Except they will have more resources by the sounds of it. Which can be no bad thing.

    2. HoneyBB profile image95
      HoneyBBposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds promising!! Excited for the future. Thanks

    3. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you. Matt has also confirmed that TOS for Hubbers will remain the same. This clears that up! Much appreciated.

      1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
        TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, he sent me an email that stated this.

    4. Ashish Dadgaa profile image43
      Ashish Dadgaaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      @Paul Edmondson,

      Thank you so much for detailed updates. smile

      Glad to see these two lines big_smile
      1. Make more money
      2. Drive more traffic

  18. Paul Edmondson profile imageSTAFF
    Paul Edmondsonposted 2 years ago

    We love all the questions. To be clear, we’ve made strategic moves in the past with the goal of helping Hubbers.

    I’m a huge believer in tech platforms that provide two primary services. They drive revenue and traffic.

    Our plan is totally focused on this goal.

    Help publishers drive more traffic and more revenue.

    We have all been through a ton together. As we evolve, those goals remain unchanged.

    1. jackclee lm profile image85
      jackclee lmposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Good to hear that. Keep up the good work. Just keep us informed on the changes. Open communication is the key to success. Let us know how we can help.

    2. chef-de-jour profile image97
      chef-de-jourposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Appreciate the feedback and reassurances Paula and Christy and team. Let's hope the merger/business plan is successful and we can move forward in confidence. I'm optimistic and have already written 3 new articles this week.

    3. lobobrandon profile image90
      lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yup that's for sure we've been through a lot together that's why I believed in your plans. You're a great guy.

    4. Barbara Kay profile image83
      Barbara Kayposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'd like to express my appreciation for all these years of hard work Paul has put in trying to keep up with Google's expectations. Sometimes it has been a hard road, but you've always stuck right there with us. I've earned more money here than I would have anywhere else and I'd like to thank you.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        +1

      2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
        TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I absolutely agree.  I have loved this site from the day I joined, have learned so much and have prospered more than I would ever have dreamed.  This is why I am so hopeful that HP will stay as is for a very, very long time.

      3. AliciaC profile image99
        AliciaCposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I agree, too. Now that some important questions have been answered, I'm looking forward to the future.

    5. Kierstin Gunsberg profile image97
      Kierstin Gunsbergposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Personally, I'm very excited smile

    6. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What is interesting to me is that since I've been on this site it seems to have gone from a fairly casual "write your heart and don't worry about money" to a really serious business profile that helps people to create better and more professional level work while at the same time earning as much as possible.  I love that the team got rid of most of the spam and has set up the QAP.  Doing this has made a huge difference in the quality as well as the success of the site, despite the fact that some people complained about it.  Great job HP!

      1. Jean Bakula profile image95
        Jean Bakulaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I noticed that too. As I was finishing fixing up the photo sizes, I found hubs I wrote when I first started writing here. They were so awful I deleted them. I didn't care about losing the copyright date, because I know I am a better writer now, and can still write on that topic, and make it a much more interesting article.

        Everyone seems calmer now, that's good. Business mergers take months, there are so many details to work out. I think the administration wants to make money, but they need writers, so they do have all the interests at heart.

        1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, I also need to delete some.

          1. Jean Bakula profile image95
            Jean Bakulaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I hate to delete, but I wrote many of the articles here before I went on Wizzley. And although I wrote the ten pieces I needed to be accepted there, I saved it all, and it's really not all that good. So I feel better now as a writer. I don't have an emotional attachment to many of the pieces. And apparently, I pretty much neglected a big section of hubs, as older changes had not been made. I deleted about 15. But I want to rewrite a few.

            I was taking metaphysical courses when I began at HP, and had so many ideas. As the years passed, I learned more on a few of the hubs I deleted. I also had a few where I was able to combine two so/so articles into one good one.

            I read a lot and used to write book reviews. Except for a few that are still relevant, or are classics, a lot of those were in the "Delete" group. I like writing them though, and as I brought the better ones up to standards, they got on Owlcation. So if I read something I believe others may be interested in, I think I will continue to do that. The hard part is the title. You can't just write the name of the book and the author, that already dooms it to Page 10 of Google, as the publishers all have their reviews. And it needs to be approached from a different angle from other book reviews on the same book, or just be really good. So I look forward to the challenge.

  19. Kylyssa profile image92
    Kylyssaposted 2 years ago

    I wanted to express my gratitude to HubPages management for keeping us informed of changes. HubPages is behaving nothing like previous content farms I have experience with, and that is wonderful. After years of content farms like Squidoo doing stuff like selling our account information to HubPages after requiring each of us to create at least five short, shallow junk pieces to keep certain account features to artificially puff up the number of "lenses" for that sale, it's mighty refreshing to be treated like people.

    1. sallybea profile image96
      sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I completely agree and am very grateful too.  It has been a pleasure to write here for the past five years in spite of the ups and downs we have had.  I have always felt that staff had our interests at heart.

      1. Savio Dawson profile image95
        Savio Dawsonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        +1 to that.

        Though I am not a frequenter (if there is such a word smile ) here, I keep coming every now and then. I have seen many changes here, but kept on with my articles and the staff's suggestion on my articles. It's quite a nice place - enjoy interaction with few hubbers, namely Twilight Lawns... Have seen articles by WryLit and here mind boggling suggestions on SEO or new article ideas... So, will continue being here for next 100 years... Hahah..

    2. jackclee lm profile image85
      jackclee lmposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Just saw interview of the two CEOs of Maven and HubPages... very impressive. I have a much better understanding of what this union is about. They say it is a family and they are committed for the long haul. Great news for us.

      1. jackclee lm profile image85
        jackclee lmposted 2 years agoin reply to this
        1. sallybea profile image96
          sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for the link, really interesting.

        2. lobobrandon profile image90
          lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for the link

        3. EricDockett profile image99
          EricDockettposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for sharing that, Jack.

          I still have a bunch of concerns about this situation, and I've been trying to sort it all out. I still feel like content creators on HP have been left in the dark a bit, unlike the content creators who themselves agreed to go to Maven on their own.

          Every day I get a little bit closer to being okay with this, and information like what's in this video certainly helps.

          1. jackclee lm profile image85
            jackclee lmposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I know what you mean.There is no guarantees, however, I admire there persistence in fighting against the gorilla in the room. Google is not a sure thing. Just remember what happened to Kodak...and a slew of major companies eho lost their way and are no more...PAN American Airway.

            1. incomeguru profile image96
              incomeguruposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I'm also a bit worried about their merger. HubPages will be consumed within the maven's existing model, So who knows what's going to happen in the nearest future.

        4. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          +1

        5. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Interesting.  I keep wondering what they mean by "working on one platform". when we've been told that HP will basically work the same way which is different from how Maven works. Are they referring to technology itself?  Anybody?

          1. jackclee lm profile image85
            jackclee lmposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I don’t have any inside info just a hunch. I suspect, HubPages will replace the current Maven site. HP is far more advanced technology wise and more developed having been around 12 years and surviving. Maven is fairly new and their website is primitive. IMHO

            1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
              TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Boy, wouldn't THAT be nice!

            2. gmwilliams profile image86
              gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              +1

            3. sallybea profile image96
              sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Anyone else noticed that they are getting Maven ads on their hubs?

              1. Marketing Merit profile image96
                Marketing Meritposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Probably just ad tracking Sally.

                1. sallybea profile image96
                  sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Perhaps!   Clever old google at its tricks maybe.

          2. eugbug profile image98
            eugbugposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Do they just mean that the site links to the HubPages niche sites? If the niche sites are redesigned to reflect the Maven "style", as far as a user is concerned they are still on the same platform, but the URL's remain the same.

  20. paradigmsearch profile image61
    paradigmsearchposted 2 years ago

    I think we have reached the point:

    Who cares?

    1. Sherry Hewins profile image97
      Sherry Hewinsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I care, I think we all care, but we can't predict, and we have no control over it. They tell us nothing is changing, for now. They tell us they are doing it to help us draw more traffic and earnings. That makes sense; if we earn more, they earn more.

      I do not distrust anybody's motives, but things are changing and that's always scary. I have made new copies of all of my hubs so everything is current. For now things are going OK. Looking back over 2017, it compares very favorably with 2016. I have done what I can, now I will hope for the best.

  21. emge profile image79
    emgeposted 2 years ago

    There will be changes. It remains to be seen if Hubpages will rise UP in Alexa and global ranking after take over.  I doubt it.

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There's really no way to know.  However, if HP eventually is seen as a site where "experts" write and if Maven does find ways to improve traffic and income, it's possible.  The bottom line is that we really have little choice here.  We can either stay and ride it out to see what happens or delete our work and move it elsewhere.  However, if you watch the interview that was linked to above, one thing that was said there really stood out:  smaller sites (such as individual websites) will not have the ability to compete in the future as they have i the past because individuals simply do not have the technological know how of larger companies.  To me that seems to be the wave of the future, and if that statement is correct, there  truly will be no place to go anyhow!

      1. Marisa Wright profile image95
        Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I don't think that statement is correct. It's the marketing spiel that he's using to persuade people to join Maven, that's all.

        It's true that you found it hard to monetize your own website, but there are still plenty of people making money on their own websites. It's hard work and funnily enough, writers often aren't good at it.  I find that talented writers often loathe all the work associated with running a website, whereas the most successful bloggers are people who have the kind of logical, mathematical mind that enjoys all the analytics, link building etc.   They're the ones who will stick to it.

        You may have noticed we have a new Hubber, Jean.   She was explaining how to do "page sculpting" on your own blog or website, to make sure your most profitable pages rank best on Google.  It made me feel exhausted just reading it!  Which is one of the reasons I decided not to blog for a living.

        1. lobobrandon profile image90
          lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Agreed.

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I have a very logical, analytical mind. I pretty much got straight As (mostly 100%) for all my math papers. I used to love puzzles in my 20s and I also programmed computers for a living in the mid 70s. I just prefer writing and the arts in general, sciences second, and not much into either technology or business. sad

          1. Marisa Wright profile image95
            Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            You've confirmed what I always thought about you, Tess.  That's why I thought you should have been a natural to make a successful website, because you have the analytical brain to enjoy all the technical stuff and the writing skills as well.

            1. lobobrandon profile image90
              lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Patience is another skill needed to build a successful website.

              1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Tell me about it.

                Just the thought of going to Google webmaster guide to check out how Google wants the site designed is a headache. Then figuring out the metatags, etc. Used to be a matter of a few keywords but now you have about half a dozen categories to consider.

            2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
              TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I'm getting there so slowly, Marisa.

              Perhaps my resistence for the last few years has been all the other bullarkey that has been occuring in my life. In the past year, I have moved six times. You have no idea how disrupting that is!

              About six months ago, I bought the best HTML/CSS book I have ever seen. It was written by a dozen genius kids for other kids. It is so simple! It was written exactly the way I wanted to write an HTML5/CSS3 book. I'm working with Railridge in South Africa in order to update their WebDesign course to make it simpler to understand, and I half-bought the book for them to understand whatI was saying when I said that using jargon makes web design difficult to understand (when it really isn't). Simple,clear language is critical to understand web design. Why make something difficult because the words are not understood?

              Anyway, I don't dare hope, but I think I'm finally settled. And if I can now settle down and just focus on work instead of basic survival, maybe I'll finally get the website done! I have the design, the topics, the articles, etc. done. smile

              1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Sounds good!

  22. CYong74 profile image96
    CYong74posted 2 years ago

    Some of you might have read about the changes to the YouTube Partner i.e. monetization policy. A lot of channel owners are in tears, to put it lightly.

    My channel is one of those affected, and while I admit my videos weren't exactly doing well, the thing I wish to highlight is how YouTube, and Google in extension, dealt with its partners. In comparison, HubPages positively shines. At least there is some sort of advance notice here. At least the administrators are responding in person.

    Over there, it happened as: this is what we decided, we don't want you anymore, you're out. If you qualify in the future, you can reapply. But we will need weeks to respond.

    1. Rock_nj profile image92
      Rock_njposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I saw the notice about changes in the YouTube Partner i.e. monetization policy policy, but my channel is so lightly accessed and earnings so little that I didn't read it.  Are they reducing earning potential for many You Tubers?

      1. eugbug profile image98
        eugbugposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        You now must have 1000 subscribers and at least 4000 hours of watch time in the last 12 months to be eligible for monetisation.

        1. sallybea profile image96
          sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          That is a shame, seems like it gets harder to earn a buck.  I hope this puts lots of people off from uploading their content.

    2. makingamark profile image73
      makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think you need to look at what's happening elsewhere within the context of the imperatives being pushed at YouTube about eliminating all videos which reflect abuse or terrorism.

      The major advertising partners (apart from 'normal human beings') are completely disgusted and fed up about the lack of quality assurance by YouTube and the fact that their adverts have turned up on the pages of some really reprehensible videos.

      I think one of the facts the BIG PLATFORMS have got to get their heads around is that in future it is extremely likely that they are going to be held accountable for the type of content on their sites.

      That means they have to address the quality assurance issues - which, to date, have always revolved around the notion of "there's just far too much content for us to ever be able to monitor". The answer they are hearing right now is "tough - that explanation is not going to count for anything in future".

      I'm guessing - but I suspect that one of the things they are doing is eliminating the myriad small fry who post disgusting / shocking / alarming videos so they can make money from adverts. It also eliminates all those who post videos that do nothing of the sort - but YouTube frankly don't care about that. What they care about is keeping the big advertisers who were walking away in droves - and minimising the quantity of sites which they have to monitor. I'm guessing their rationale is that if people don't get advertising income then they'll stop posting the nasty videos. Personally I think they're wrong - but their new strategy will mean they'll get less hassle from the major advertisers.

      Makes sense to me. They've got a BIG problem and they've got to start somewhere.

  23. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    I happen to be one of them. I am hoping to make the quota. Fingers crossed.

  24. CYong74 profile image96
    CYong74posted 2 years ago

    The way YT did it is so ... cold. On top of which the new criteria are practically impossible for the niche I cater to. Even many of the top players in my reach don't have that kind of subscription.

    Which is why, worrying as it might be, I appreciate we at least have the chance to read and discuss developments here in HP.

    Kenna: Be careful how you do it. I'm dead sure YT would be looking for for sudden surges in subscribes and traffic, and doing something about it.

    1. dougwest1 profile image97
      dougwest1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My YT channel only has 350 subscribers so I guess I will be out of the money in late February. I didn't make much money off the channel so I guess I'll be okay. It was kind of a shock when I got the email from them the other night. It is getting harder and harder to make money online.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Yup, I was also kicked off. However, I switched off the Adsense on it a while ago. What concerns me now is if they are going to switch off Adsense for one's other websites and if they will swtich off one's Adsense account if one is only using hubpages (which is what I am doing).

        1. sallybea profile image96
          sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          How did they advise you that you had been 'kicked off'?  I have not received anything.  Checked my account today and everything seems the same!

          1. chasmac profile image95
            chasmacposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Here's part of the email, Sally:
            Under the new eligibility requirements announced today, your YouTube channel is no longer eligible for monetisation because it does not meet the new threshold of 4,000 hours of watch time within the past 12 months and 1,000 subscribers. As a result, your channel will lose access to all monetisation tools and features associated with the YouTube Partner Program on 20 February 2018 unless you surpass this threshold in the next 30 days. Accordingly, this email serves as 30 days notice that your YouTube Partner Program terms are terminated.

            There's also a brief notice at the top of my YouTube Dashboard.

            1. sallybea profile image96
              sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Interesting!   I have not received one and there is no notice on my dashboard.  I also don't have the subscribers but think I meet the other threshold.

        2. dougwest1 profile image97
          dougwest1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          TessSchlesinger:
          I think the action of removing ads from YT is limited to YT. A few months ago, YT got in trouble from their major advertisers because some ads would appear on ISIS video and that made the big advertisers upset (I would be upset too). As a result, YT had to hire over 7000 people to review YT content and remove offensive videos. My guess is that they are limiting their work load to just monetize the channels with at least 1000 subscribers. My two cents worth - but who can know the mind of the masters of the universe at Google?

          1. Rock_nj profile image92
            Rock_njposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            While that makes sense for YouTube to do in the short-term to get a handle on the problem and kee[ big advertisers happy, in the long-term it's going to hurt the site's growth.  How many people with legitimate YouTube channels will stick around and get to these new thresholds?  Not many.  Seems like there's a big opportunity for a competitor that does cater to the smaller channel operators to experience a surge in market share. In the long-run, this is going to hurt You-Tube's growth.

            1. makingamark profile image73
              makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              But they're not interested in people with tiny audiences and not much traffic when there are lots and lots of sites out there with big followings and massive traffic.

              Most of all they are afraid of alienating major advertisers who will not tolerate their adverts appearing on unsavoury sites.

              They're adopting a strategy which they think will work better for them going forward. They're not actually interested in whether it's better for any of the small channels. It's business....

              1. Rock_nj profile image92
                Rock_njposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I hear you, but many of the big YouTube channels started out as small YouTube channels and grew to the point they are at today.  They are going to severely disrupt future organic growth with this policy, but it's their business, so they can do as they please.  If I was a competitor, I'd be really happy with this move.

  25. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    Doug, true. Maven might the solution, right now, with the changes happening. Google has a lot of control over the Internet. Tyranny comes to mind.

  26. theraggededge profile image99
    theraggededgeposted 2 years ago

    And, of course, bearing in mind that YT is owned by Google, and is thus part of their intention to dominate the world, the internet, and everything big_smile

    1. makingamark profile image73
      makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ...and they can only do that if they don't alienate the major advertisers.

      Makes sense to me....

  27. Azure11 profile image87
    Azure11posted 2 years ago

    I also got the email from You Tube :-( I have the subscribers (account has been around for a long time) but am short of the viewing minutes. I was only earning a small amount per month but it's annoying. If there was another option I might go with it...

  28. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    Who are competitors?

    1. ChristinS profile image43
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I can bet this move will have them popping up all over the place over the next year.  I hope someone gives YouTube a run for its money.  Google has a deathgrip on everything and is destroying innovation and small publishers for its own gain.

    2. Rock_nj profile image92
      Rock_njposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Vimeo, Dailymotion and Twitch are three that I found that are competitors.

      I agree with you ChristinS.  This move is going to hurt innovation.  Now YouTube is going to have a lot of big money slick videos that aren't too innovative in many cases.  They will lose many of those independents and up and coming videographers that made it such a cool and unique site.

      1. lobobrandon profile image90
        lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Would they? If I were to become a videographer I would still go to Youtube as I know their monetization is the best in the industry. I would only take to making videos if I were good at it. If I am good at it getting 1000 subscribers should be a breeze or the total time watched.

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          My concern is how this will hurt our hubs.  I put at least one YouTube video on every hub.  If creators delete their videos, this could cause problems for writers here.

          1. lobobrandon profile image90
            lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            It's too much work deleting stuff especially if you got nowhere else to put it. No other video streaming service can really make you money. So people would rather leave their videos on there and wait to reach the threshold to begin earning. This should not really be a problem in most cases. Videos do get taken down occasionally anyway.

            1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
              TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I've always wondered how the YouTube thing works.  Seems like you'd need special equipment a sort of script, etc.  Some I see are terrific, others aren't worth watching...but I have no clue what goes into making a video to upload.  Any info here?

              1. EricFarmer8x profile image97
                EricFarmer8xposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                You would need a way to record content. This would really depend on the type of content you want to make. A gamer like me would need a way to record my gameplay. If you were more of a blogger or had other ideas you would need an actual camera or very good webcam.

                I need a script to stay in focus. Without one I ramble and have a hard time sounding good.

                Then you need a software to edit everything together. Well, you actually don't really need to edit videos but they won't look very good without at least some basic edits. Video editing software can be expensive but there are some completely free options.

                Uploading to YouTube is pretty straightforward. They tried to make setting up a channel as easy as possible. You would have to learn some things though if you never have before.

                As for why there such a huge difference in quality it really factors down to some people spend more time editing their content and have better equipment. Some people also can "act" better and sound more professional.

              2. eugbug profile image98
                eugbugposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I found the greatest problem was remembering my "script" when recording videos and had to do about 10 takes per scene and then stitch the whole thing together! You can probably ad lib, but I think it's better to have a basic script that you learn off and remember, otherwise you can forget what to say and end up with lots of "ums" and "ehs".  Some people are natural talkers and are great at talking without any pauses. You can use your smartphone (a low budget one is fine) or an SLR for recording video. A remote lavalier microphone would be a good idea, otherwise you can sound somewhat distant unless you're close to the phone.

                1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
                  TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't understand how you make money from posting videos on YT.  Can you explain this to me?

                  1. lobobrandon profile image90
                    lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
                  2. sallybea profile image96
                    sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    You make a video using your camera, your laptop, tablet or computer and then you upload it to your YouTube channel (which you create) and then add Adsense (monetization) to your settings.  There should be loads of tutorials on YouTube which will show you how to do it.

                  3. eugbug profile image98
                    eugbugposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    I've made practically nothing from the few videos I uploaded and anyway I didn't want distracting ad info overlaid on the ones I use on hubs because I use speech bubble type annotations to point out stuff to viewers (Just noticed they did away away with this also last May. Annotations will still be displayed on desktop, but can no longer be edited). After uploading a video, you can edit it in Creator Studio. Just select "monetisation" under the video and turn on the switch for "monetise with ads". Then pick the style of advertising to appear when the video is displayed. I can't remember whether you have to link the id details of your Adsense account, or whether they know it's you because you're linked into a Google product.

                    https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72857?hl=en

          2. sallybea profile image96
            sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I can't see how they would, especially if the video is, for instance, a visual of what I teach on a hub.  Some people are visual learners and I might as well make money from the video as well as from the hub.

  29. CYong74 profile image96
    CYong74posted 2 years ago

    Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that channel owners would remove their videos. The decent ones, that is. For me, some of my videos have been there for near 10 years, and anyway, I didn't upload most of them for profit. Practically the entire niche I cater to uploads to YouTube too. It's simply nonsensical to remove the videos.

    In addition to which is what a lot of people have highlighted. Despite what's said and claimed, no other platform comes close to YouTube at the moment. I suspect videos getting low views on YouTube would get even lower, if any view at all, on these other platforms. Sad to say, all of us are pretty much in its grip.

    1. EricFarmer8x profile image97
      EricFarmer8xposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I thought of making a YouTube channel and making content but I never really followed through with it. Right now I am enjoying writing much more.

  30. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    I agree. I started using YT to upload videos to another platform and kept them private because they were audition pieces. Now, I use YT to upload videos to write about movies. I have already noticed a change in YT more celebrity and talk show clips. Probably owned by the production or PR companies.  Another thing, even though I don't get revenue anymore. YT still has ads running on my videos, go figure.

    1. sallybea profile image96
      sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are your stats showing no earnings already?

  31. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    The best I can recommend is google these questions. I did. There are some great videos out there that explain it all.

    1. sallybea profile image96
      sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, have checked it out.

  32. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    Webcams work just fine. The technology is so simple now. Anyone can do it.

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image98
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What's a webcam, how much do they cost and how do they work?  Do they have microphones in them?  How do you transfer the content to YT?

      1. lobobrandon profile image90
        lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        If you're really interested Google some stuff out. Search for tutorials. You can begin here https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-YouTube-Video

        1. makingamark profile image73
          makingamarkposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Nice site - but I giggled at the irony....

          I make my own videos but have never used them to make money.

          Just checked my channel and I've got 927 subscribers but over 100k traffic to my videos last year - but no email.

          What's the address the email comes from?  Or does it only go to those who use AdSense?

          1. sallybea profile image96
            sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I did not get one either and there is nothing on my account to indicate that they are 'kicking' me off the site yet.  I use Adsense.

          2. lobobrandon profile image90
            lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            The email was only for those people who were getting ad income from their youtube videos who now do not meet the subscriber minimum or total hours watched minimum.

            1. sallybea profile image96
              sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I don't meet the subscribers minimum but think I probably do in total hours.

      2. sallybea profile image96
        sallybeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Very cheap but you may have an input camera on your laptop already or could use your mobile phone or a camera with video settings on it.

  33. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    There is so much information available on the Internet about YT. You should study it and learn.

  34. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    Same here.

  35. CYong74 profile image96
    CYong74posted 2 years ago

    Monetization needs to be approval. I don't believe any approval would be done now, unless you meet those two criteria.

 
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