Big News from HubPages - Acquired by Maven

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MomsTreasureChestposted 6 years ago
How long do you have to leave an article unpublished before you could publish the exact article on another platform? Just wondering, thanks.
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  HoneyBBposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I think if you unpublish it and request that Google unindex it, you can republish it and ask that it be indexed. Each process might take a couple of days. Just guessing on this.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  When I've unpublished from one site and republished on another, it takes minutes. I go to Google and ask them to un-index it.It's done almost immediately.
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Miebakagh57posted 6 years ago
The word "invited" by maven is very bad. What or who is maven inviting? And,for what purpose? Don't any hubber see division of the whole hub community?
The word invited should be deleted. Welcome is a much better word. Every hubber would then find his/her foot and, rightly too.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  By 'invite', Maven means that they approach people with high traffic and ask them to put their work on Maven's site in return for some shares.
  
  Maven does not, in any way, generate income for the writers. They merely offer shares in exchange for technology and shares.
  
  So, no, I do not think that Maven is going to offer 'good writers' an opportunity to earn more money.
  
  I think Maven is going to look at hubbers who have existing high traffic on hp and offer those hubbers their own 'channel' (a sort of website through Maven), but Maven won't generate traffic or income for them. Maven wants their traffic in exchange for shares.
  
  That is what I think is going on here.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So why would they be interested in moving? Shares surely would not be incentive enough.
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  HoneyBBposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I think whether on Maven or Hubpages we will all be under the same new ad design that Maven has brought to the table and we will earn from those ads like we did in December. I think the shares that people get who join Maven will be in addition to their ad money.
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  Solarasposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That was my thought, just because it seems logical.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  James Heckman builds up sites in order to sell them to the big movers and shakers. So, for instance, he might buy hp, then buildup Maven, then, at a certain point, sell to Google or facebook for billions.
  
  That means if one received 50 shares in Maven currently valued at $2, by the time the company is sold to (example facebook), the shares would then be worth what fb shares are.
  
  People who speculate would be very interested in that.
  
  I assume that is what Paul Edmonton is interested in.
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  HoneyBBposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Invited is Maven's main focus on how to build a stellar site. We hubbers will still have our place here on hubpages whether we're invited to have a place on Maven or not. The good thing is our income will still increase on Hubpages because The Hubpage team will be using Maven's ad tech that brought us higher wages in December.
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DzyMsLizzyposted 6 years ago
So I'm seeing contradictory things in this thread, as others have also stated.

1) Either Hub Pages will continue to exist as Hub Pages, or
2) Hub pages will be "absorbed" into Maven

You cannot have it both ways. That is "highly illogical." It's one or the other, and from what I've read in this thread, and in the original blog post, #2 seems the more likely scenario.

If Maven pays zero to writers, then
1) Writers go broke or
2) Their articles retain HP's ad program and income

That seems like another "make up your mind, please!"

Hub Pages has to only give us 7 days notice? That is hardly adequate! If the corporate transfer process takes 90 days (why the hell not just say 3 months?!), then writers should get the same timeframe!

This news is upsetting to me, as it comes when I have [b]finally, after 6+ years here,{/b] begun reaching payout every month!!! The timing, for me, could not be worse. I'm also pretty sure I'm not the only one in this situation!

#notamused
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Maven doesn't pay writers. Hubpages does,as hubpages continues to operate as hubpages. However, those writers that are invited to join Maven (get their own channel separate from hp) will be offered shares. No mention of payment is made.
  
  Yes, three months notice is given that hubpages will be joining Maven. However, how much notice will be given of the Terms of Service? These are different things.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Ms. Lizzy,
  
  At least you saved a lot of your work in Word documents. I've always saved all of those, and didn't really need to do anything more sophisticated than that. At one time I was writing on two other writing sites besides this one, and had my own blog, so it was easier to keep each article separate, I would move them wherever they did better.. If you delete a hub, the copyright date won't protect you. But I have had so much stolen, and wrote it all so many years ago, I don't even care at this point.
  
  Try not to worry. We will hear more and do what we each have to do.
  
  It's gone from, "Will I own my own writing?" to "I bought stock in Maven." It's absurd.
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WryLiltposted 6 years ago
Flashbacks to the Squidoo takeover. I'm glad that a large part of my income now comes from my own sites and based on that - I can enjoy a positive outlook on how Hubpages will move forward. It's much easier to be optimistic when you don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

I'm just a little sad that it's the end of an era, since this is where I got my start in online content creation.

As you've been told by multiple people, multiple times - start your own sites. Learn and apply your knowledge across multiple platforms. The Internet is an ever changing beast.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Great advice, but you need to remember that few have your training or skills. I've tried blogging twice and have failed miserably both times.
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  WryLiltposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Training? Skill? It's 90% all self taught. When I first started writing here, I knew nothing about SEO and I even had poems and stories published here.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Let's not be modest. You know as well as I do that it takes a special skill set to be able to run successful websites. It also takes a certain amount of intelligence and work ethic. You are a highly talented person who knows not only how to write but how to market and also handle tech issues. Most here, me included, simply do not have those skills.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1
  
  If you write for the internet and want to earn then an ESSENTIAL part of your skill set needs to relate to marketing that writing.
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  Chriswillman90posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Most people do not have that option, it's extremely difficult to gain any traction by going off on your own especially in today's extremely saturated market.
  
  Writers like yourself have had years of experience and a niche that has been successful, that's not going to apply to 99 percent of hubbers.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  And that's fine if you're the kind of person who enjoys marketing. Personally, I hate it. I also loathe being marketed to. What I enjoy about hubpages is tt's a simple matter of SEO.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Me too. I just create an associated Facebook Page every time I create a new website and then use that to announce new content
  - but I also use it to highlight other news relevant to the topic from other people
  - and it if you create interesting content then you get a following
  - and then you get traffic to your website
  
  Plus I have an AdBlocker on all the time!
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You're an artist. You sell something specific.
  
  I don't have anything specific to sell.
  
  I'm a geek, an intellectual, etc. I write about a thousand things because I read a lot, abbreviate the collective knowledge and write about it.
  
  Hubpages suits me because I can write about anything.
  
  The moment one gets a website, it has to be specific. It has to be focused on one thing. Certainly, when that is done, you can go to facebook and open a page, and if people search for it, it may (or may not) come up). However, you also have to have a following and that starts from somewhere.
  
  I do have a following - but it's political, atheist, and economic. And I don't make make from that. I also don't wish to.
  
  My hp income comes from a bunch of articles that are specifically researched with SEO in mind, i.e. they're written on a topic that people search for where there aren't so many articles about it.
  
  I don't even have it in me to advertise book I write. I truly loathe having to put what I offer forward for purchase. It feels like selling my soul for money. I can't do that.
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  WryLiltposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I like marketing but most of my income doesn't come from that. I have barely written on my main website for the last year and it still supports my entire family - with traffic coming from 75% SEO and about 20% Pinterest.
  
  I'm a big fan of passive set and forget income. My primary way of doing that in saturated niches is to answer entry level questions. No competition and easy to rank high for with no work.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'd like to know more. What are your websites? URL?
  
  I have an unholy terror that stops me from getting one.
  
  Interestingly, when I first went to America in 2003/4, I had a very successful one. I closed it because it embarrassed me.
  
  I didn't like my name being on the web.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Tessa, I can't help noticing a pattern in your online adventures. You start something and you're successful (which proves you can do it) - but then something goes wrong, and your reaction is to delete everything and run away, instead of stopping to see if there's something you can do to remedy the problem. It would be a good idea to try to change that behaviour.
  
  For instance, if instead of deleting your books, you'd simply removed them from the Select program, you might have found your sales would have risen again. Equally, I know you deleted all your Hubs at one point, when it would've been better if you had not. It sounds like you did something similar with your successful website.
  
  Do you still have the content for that website? Any reason why you couldn't recreate it?
  
  Here's some information about Susannah
  http://susannahbirch.com/online/
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Never thought of it that way, but you're right. Yes, I do delete and run. I think I'm scared of punishment of some sort. Years of abuse and all that. In South African Afrikaanerdom, there is a saying "From happiness comes difficulty." That's the literal translation.So I probably screw myself both ways. If I'm successful, I run away because I'm scared of consequences, and if I fail, I run away as a result of shame and humiliation.
  
  I used to have my webpages saved. Possibly on an external harddrive somewhere. It was a site containing my writing. I was approached by two advertising agencies and two Hollywood producers. One Hollywood producer arranged for me to do a scriptwriting course with the Writer's Guild of America and I turned it down. I also turned down the opportunity to write film because he didn't mention payment. In those days, I still couldn't talk. Conversation has always been very difficult for me.
  
  I'm ashamed because in real life I'm weird and odd and say things that are not socially acceptable. I've had to move 5 times in the last 12 months because I've upset so many people by things I've said. None of it was malicious - just people being upset over bs.
  
  Now I have finally found my own little apartment - a suite in a serviced hotel (boarding house) courtesy of Jewish Social Services. My sister is paying for half of it and I am paying the other half. I depend on my income from hubpages to pay for food.I'm going to do my best not to upset anyone. I wish people didn't want to talk to me. I always say the wrong thing.
  
  It's hard to live with shame and failure, Marisa. There used to be a time when I just used to get up and I used to try anything, but the years have worn me down.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It is hard when you're the kind of person who can't forgive yourself. I have some sense of what that's like.
  
  I used to work for a woman I envied and loathed at the same time. I loathed her because she was inclined to treat people badly, either accidentally or on purpose, and she didn't seem to care. But at the same time, I envied her because within an hour she'd forgotten all about it. Whereas if I did something to embarrass myself or upset someone, I would make myself miserable, agonizing about it afterwards for days. I wish I was able to put things behind me more easily.
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  Solarasposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa, you sound like a normal person, and your previous employer was a sociopath. If you have a conscience, you agonize over something that may have hurt or upset someone for days, unless you apologize and clear the air, which is hard for some people to do.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  MVEN stock up 12% today at 2.45 a share...hooray!
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Too much work.
  Too much knowledge of technology required.
  Too much money needs to be invested.
  
  I'm a writer.
  
  I simply don't want to do that.
  
  Just curious.
  
  Where are our sites? I'd like to look.
  
  And, yes, it's sad.
  
  I guess writing is going to go the way of the dodo.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I think "Generalists" might well find it difficult to find places to write in future. Unless you write for a magazine - and even then they have dedicated people for different topics
  
  However there are quite a few people with specialist interests who meet the "expert author" criteria of Google which means their sites - if they create/float them off - will be much in demand
  
  No way is writing going to die - it will just evolve in terms of who does what and why
  
  Google has been telling us for years that it wants experts so if you want to write online and get read you need to be an expert.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  "Google has been telling us for years that it wants experts so if you want to write online and get read you need to be an expert."
  
  I'm well aware of that.
  
  I just don't have any one specific thing that I have the emotional energy to focus on. I'm not that passionate about any one thing. Nor can I see how any of them can make me money.
  
  I'm autistic.Specifically, I'm a geek, an intellectual, an ideas person. I don't do people very well. And marketing involves people.
  
  So you're telling me something I already know but am hoping I find a way around - that I can continue to generate an income on the web.
  
  Honestly, the only way I can think of is write books.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So if I said I was a geekie intellectual who was the resident ideas person at work - who deals with people better at a distance than face to face ( I LOVE working at home on my own) - and that I also enjoy writing as an expert?
  
  I think you're telling yourself stories rather than having a go.
  Look upon it as an intellectual challenge. I made it work so you can too.....
  
  I'm getting lots of client work because I write about how to solve problems for a set of very specific people. My income doesn't come from advertising any more - it comes from assignments.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I get that you are involved with art.
  
  No, I'm not telling myself things. I'm in my late 60s. If I don't know myself by now, I never will.
  
  I understand you're very successful, and many people are, but I honestly don't want to deal with people at any level. I'm autistic. I find it extremely stressful.
  
  Marisa has often spoken to me about getting my own website.
  
  I honestly don't have it in me.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You know about autism! Why not become an expert at it? You won't have to deal with people if you write from home. Like Makingmark I too work from home and on my OWN and I love it. I do know is that the latest action by HubPages has made me much more likely to do what I have been putting off for ages. I am determined to see the positive even if it means leaving everything behind to start fresh again.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  To be honest, I have thought about writing about adult learning disabilities and autism. All learning disabilities are on the autistic spectrum. How do you make money out if it?
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  We were discussing the Niche Sites so the idea would be to become an expert in that field. If this new deal works out you should still be able to make money on Maven (HubPages) (especially if you are writing within a niche subject). At least that is what I am still thinking. We will just have to wait for a positive outcome. You could monetize a site of your own.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It's easy to write things. It us not so easy to monetize them. As far as I can see from the Maven site, one gets offered shares not money. I also am not into writing for sites that remove my name and put 'editor.'
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think that is going to happen with the latest announcement.from Paul.
  Your own site could be monetized with Amazon and Google Adsense and you could write digital or hard copy books to sell on your website or on Amazon's platform.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The last time I wrote books for Amazon, I went from selling about 600 books a week to zilch. I joined the Amazon select and never sold another book.It destroyed me and I removed all my books from the web.I'm hoping to be able to write books again this year. I will never ever sell on Amazon again.
  
  I used Adsense before. Hubpages is more profitable.
  
  If I'm negative about this stuff, it's from experience.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - but everything keeps changing - and you can too!
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  paradigmsearchposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  In regards to my previous post, zero people interaction is involved.
  
  [Update] And money or not, only do it if it is fun.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Definitely, only do it if it is fun and if you are having fun and making money then you are on to a winner.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Tess - that means you are 6 years older than me. I've been on a constant learning curve since I took early retirement. It stops the brain going stale.
  
  If you can cope with communicating with all of us then you can cope with developing your own sites and writing about what you are expert in. Think about it from the perspective of your accomplishments and achievements despite being autistic.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I guess I am scared. Had some radical failures. I know that I am a good writer and researcher, and I take pride in my work.
  
  It has probably taken me every one of the 24 years I have been on the web to learn to communicate. I cannot tell you how many times I have fallen flat on my face as a result of human miscommunication.
  
  At this point, I am happy that I am communicating much better on hubpages, but my learning curve is very slow in all things human.
  
  I do better at geeky things - there I have a fast learning curve. No emotions. No sarcasm. No flirting. etc.
  
  I was going to try writing on Medium and linking to Patreon, then discovered that Medium doesn't payout in South Africa.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Just stick with it - treat it as a problem that needs to be figured out and don't worry about the people aspect.
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eugbugposted 6 years ago
If we do move content, what's the easiest way to do it without a lot of page rebuilding, copying and pasting text and images etc?
Can we simply use the existing HTML files corresponding to each hub, edit out any logos of the niche sites from code and then add them to a new website?
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No if you take an html file then you're probably also taking some of the code that belongs to the system and the site and that belongs to Paul
  
  You need a pdf version as an archive or an html copy so you have a working file within your archive and you know what it looks and how it works. However you can't publish it if it includes any of Paul's code.
  
  What I do is to do is extract and strip text as you copy and paste and then you know you're starting on a fresh site with clean code i.e. just text and that new site's underlying code. That way you don't foul the new site's code by importing code from the HubPages templates.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  There is no easy way to do this. It will be time consuming and difficult and fraught with theft problems.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The best way is to create a PDF file using the browser and print to file.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You still have to place the file on a site, format it, add photos, etc. Lots of work when you have 100 plus articles.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Please explain how to do this in more detail. Specifically how do you create a PDF file from a published hub?
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Her is my article on backup -
  “https://hubpages.com/community” “How-to-Backup-Your-Hubs”
  Search for it since I cannot post the actual link...
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  @TIMETRAVELLER2 - Not really.
  
  All the ones I've moved so far are installed on my new websites and are working just fine. I work on the principle of one hub to a web page - although because my hubs have tended to be very long some of them break out to several pages - and generate more traffic as a result because you can tailor keywords and meta descriptions to suit
  
  In fact here's an incentive - they all actually look much better because of the greater flexibility re format and images and ability to space etc etc
  Amazing what you can do with the website hosts who make it their mission in life to take the techie challenge out of website building.
  
  In fact I always thought HubPages best option re. the future was to create an arrangement whereby they offered a website package in the same way as others do
  * freebie option (where they include some advertising)
  * starter package (no adverts - unless agreed or you use your own adsense / Amazon)
  * business package (for those who want a site to sell things from and need a shop and ecommerce package)
  * pro package for those wanting the all singing all dancing mega traffic site - which I guess is essentially what Maven will offer to "the invited ones". I wonder if they'll have to pay for it....?
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So which website hosts do you recommend?
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I use Weebly - and then use the Starter Pack to get out from under the fact Google doesn't index the free sites and it also removes their advertising strapline
  My sites are HUGE - I've got two up and running and two more big ones I'm building.
  
  One has had very nearly half a million visitors and over 650,000 pageviews on a very niche topic - and not one you can easily muscle in on I have 'global standing' (as in know most of the key people) It's now the top site in the world for the topic.
  
  The thing I found was being able to link all my "cluster" hubs together on one site:
  * made me want to write a lot more new stuff
  * made them a much more powerful presence in the Google rankings than they were when written by one author on Squidoo or HubPages - and the traffic has trended upwards constantly since they started.
  
  Interestingly the income profiles are completely different. eg one where I have competition from a small number of other sites has low but steady income from AdSense and Amazon sales - but constantly generates off site income via magazine article fees, lecturing gigs and consultancy income - all of which stem from and reference back to the site. Those then open me up to more people who generate more assignments etc. It also makes it a lot more interesting for me.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That's really nice. Congrats If I may ask did you do any link building etc? I wonder what happened to the pethelpful link building campaign.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely none. I focused on network building.
  
  When I build a site I create
  1) a news blog on the site
  2) a dedicated Facebook Page alongside it - which provides a "funnel" of interest - and also allows me to post little titbits of on topic info which reinforce the 'expert' profile and allow from time to time reference back to my existing page on the same topic. But I make sure I have LOTS of stuff on Facebook which doesn't reference my site.
  
  There is no quicker way to switch people off than a blog which only references your writings.....
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed, sounds like a good plan.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It's a slow burn - absolutely nothing happens overnight - but if you keep an eye on your numbers the focus on networking seems to generate a steady upwards trend in terms of traffic and Google rankings.
  
  The joy comes when your new pages go straight on to the front page of Google for the relevant query (and yes I know how to check this without viewing via my own account!)
  
  PS I have never ever bought links - wouldn't know where to start. That's not to say I haven't had a lot of people trying to get links from me!
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  How to do you check rank for an article?
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You can only rank check against specific queries or key words.
  
  The trick is to use a browser which does not know it's you and hence has no record of your previous search history or what you like looking at. That's because Google is set up so it can feed you pages you like on topics you've looked at or written about somewhere else in relation to Google.
  
  Options include:
  * Clear your cache of all cookies and be logged out of Google if on your own machien.
  * Use somebody else's (unrelated to your interest) machine.
  * Or use the facilities to become anonymous and hide yourself from Google.
  
  I'm not sure which works best - but you can at least get away from your own Google history - which just distorts results .
  
  In terms of website ranking, Alexa's similar sites http://www.alexa.com/find-similar-sites is very interesting. Not an exact science - but you get a good feel for what's going on.
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You could use the Start Page search engine which is based on Google but uses no personal data. I use it all the time.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I forgot about that one. I used to use it all the time!
  Thanks for reminding me - I've just whacked it up near the top of my alternative browser listing!
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for that, really good to see my pages being featured on the front page.
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  DrMark1961posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Can you please explain this more?
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.startpage.com ☺
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  DrMark1961posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for that link. I cannot believe I have not seen that page before.
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  paradigmsearchposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I think you just earned the Link of the Month award. Bookmarked it as well.
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I have more. This is my browser homepage, same name, different people: https://start.me/
  
  Really, really useful to keep main bookmarks right there, including research, images sources, HP, search engines, my own pages, etc.
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  paradigmsearchposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No wonder my hub (since long gone) about making your own bookmark website never got any traffic. Wasn't aware sites like this were available to people.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  How do you use Start Page...just type in key words?
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It's a search engine. Use it as you would Google.
  
  Edit: It IS Google, without the tracking and ads.
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  AliciaCposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you very much for sharing this information. I've never heard of Start Page before.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you very much.! I never have really known how my work ranks. This is uplifting!
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Oh. I do all that. As you said, it's not an exact science. But thanks.
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paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago
Been seeing the posts about generalist websites. For what it's worth, my generalist site is getting triple-digit weekly views and triple-digit weekly users. That's the good news.

The bad news is it used to be much more, but took a sudden drop late last year and has not yet recovered. What to conclude? I have no idea. Still working on the site and still hoping the drop is seasonal temporary.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I've been doing SEO with a lot of success for clients for the last 6 years. PD if you want me to take a look at your site send me an email. I'd look it over when I get the time.
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  paradigmsearchposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. Right now I'm doing an HP and throwing out all the stuff Analytics says Google hates.
  
  And updating everything else to year 2018.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Oh lol. I just update the stuff one would think Google hates and I make it the best on the internet and it seems to work
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  paradigmsearchposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I am indeed doing that with stuff that is borderline. As for what I am throwing out, trust me, it deserves it.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I think you're making a big mistake deleting stuff, unless you're convinced it's rubbish (and you don't write rubbish).
  
  Just because Google doesn't send traffic to an article, that does NOT mean Google hates it. It just means no one is searching for it.
  
  To be successful, blogs and websites need size as well as good content. So even articles that don't get Google traffic are worth keeping, because they add to the bulk of the site. And anyway, once real people arrive on the site, they may find those pages.
  
  Of course, constantly deleting articles creates lots of 404 pages, which Google says it doesn't penalise you for, but it can still have an impact if there's too many.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1 this is why I don't delete pages on my sties that are not really generating search traffic. It adds to the bulk of the site and building authority as an expert. The more (stellar) content you have on a topic the more of an expert you are. So if a page is not receiving traffic and I notice that there's room for improvement I improve it rather than deleting it. Of course, you need to spend your time wisely. So in the same time, if you could create a new page which you think has the potential to rank, I would do that instead.
  
  Btw Marisa, I've been on skype calls with John Muller from Google and nope multiple 404s do not have a negative impact even if they are in the 1000s the only problem it could have is regarding user experience. I'm sure you know this, just pointing it out for others that read this.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Generally I would agree with you. That said, I know I am going to be taking off a couple of hubs because I don't feel comfortable with them. It was not my best work, and I cannot think of any way to improve them.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'd definitely agree with you. Some webpages topics don't get much traffic - but they add to the completeness of the site and the credibility in terms of expertise. There again you'd be surprised at some of the very niche topics on a website that mean you are the ONLY expert in the world writing on it in any depth! I suspect Google really likes you if you don't have much if any competition!
  
  My philosophy has always been to archive as I delete. Just because something doesn't work right now doesn't mean to say it won't in two years time - and then I can resurrect and revise the content and republish.
  
  Just be really systematic as you archive!
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  DrMark1961posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Is there really a way to do that? I have some articles that consistently get 0 page views per day. They meet all of HP "stellar" requirements, and I can not figure out how to improve them. If an article never does well, is it worth spending the time revamping it?
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Of course. I'm not sure about the HP domain anymore, but the niche sites for sure. Unless it's super duper competitive there's always a way to get it to rank decently. Just by writing a long article you're unknowingly covering a lot of keywords.
  
  This is what I would do provided my main search term does have a decent search volume (non-zero a month):
  
  Google the term and look at the top 10 results and make your article longer than them all. Not just fluff but actual helpful information. Split it up into sections add pictures and videos. Write an amazing introduction that tells the visitor that they've come to the right place.
  
  At the end of the day, you want to have a longer retention time than the competition and a lower bounce rate than the competition. You can't compare these, but when you look at analytics you would know what a good average time and bounce rate is.
  
  P.S: Writing from my phone and I'm just writing down stuff as it comes to me. I hope it reads well and makes sense.
  
  Edit: If the page is not already ranking in the top 5 pages I would personally not re-work on it as that's an indicator that the competition is strong. Again this is considering the fact that your page is already a stellar hub.
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  DrMark1961posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for that excellent reply. No, it is not even on the front page. It is about 1300 words, and the top rated article is about 2000.
  I could add some more about alternatives for people that cannot afford vet care, but I do not know that it is worth the effort. What tool are you using to determine search volume?
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I use SEMRush, but like I said I do SEO so I have an account. If you want me to check a few terms for you shoot me an email. An alternative to do it for free is the adword keyword tool. I think SEM rush offers you 10 searches a day for free, too.
  
  I meant on the first 5 pages not first page Just a ballpark figure though. That's my personal benchmark.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1111
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes, no matter what you do, an article won't get traffic because there's too much existing competition.
  
  On your own website or blog (which is what we're talking about), that doesn't matter as much, because the article is still contributing to the bulk of keyword-rich material on the site. Also, real readers will browse around your site and find it - you can even highlight it in various ways to encourage them.
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theraggededgeposted 6 years ago
I have to say I am uplifted by the way people here are helping and supporting each other during this 'crisis'. Thank you all.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Same thing happened as we came to the end of Squidoo. We had support groups sprouting everywhere (off site) where people shared information and looked at options and talked things over in terms of what to do next - and subsequently then fed back as to which options they liked and didn't like re placing material elsewhere. It was quite uplifting in a weird sort of way.
  
  It also helped people get over the very real sense of bitterness that some had about believing in something and then watching it disappear in front of you.
  
  It also helped with the huge stress levels for those who had huge amounts of content to deal with - and I'm talking reputable sound people here.
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HoneyBBposted 6 years ago
A new email from Paul is reassuring also. Thanks for keeping us in the know.
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  bravewarriorposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  When did you get a new email from Paul and what did he have to say?
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  Shesabutterflyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I received one half an hour ago. It has zero new information in it. The information is presented slightly differently than in this forum, but all the information is the same. I didn't find anything reassuring about it.
  
  "HubPages and Network Sites will continue to exist and authors will continue to earn. In fact, one of our first projects will be to do some work and testing around improving yields."
  
  "Authors will still own their content on HubPages and Network Sites."
  
  "All current HubPages employees, including Paul Edmondson and Paul Deeds are staying onboard, plus we just hired 8 new editors and should be ramping up editing within the next few weeks."
  
  "Some HubPages authors may be invited to become Maven contributors in addition to writing on HP at some point in the future, so this will present an additional opportunity."
  
  These are the bullet points from the e-mail.
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  bravewarriorposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, you're talking about the HubPages Weekly. Yeah, I got that, too.
  
  We've covered so much more here in this forum than the "news alert" has. I hope Paul is tracking this very lengthy forum and seriously considering our concerns. As far as we know, only a Letter of Intent has been issued. I'm in construction. A Letter of Intent is just that; it's not a contract, meaning there's still time to back out. I sincerely hope Paul takes our concerns to heart and also his blood, sweat and tears that have been poured into making HP a profitable success, and decides against the merger. I think we'll all lose if it goes thru. This Maven guy has a habit of buying companies then selling them for a profit. I don't like the way this deal smells. I think Paul and the other HP heads should leave well enough alone, trust in themselves (and us) and continue to build HP into the wonderful site is has been and continues to be. I love my online "parents" and "siblings". I have no desire to be adopted. Don't we have a say?
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  Glenn Stokposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  She's referring to the weekly newsletter that we get from HubPages every Wednesday.
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  bravewarriorposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I figured that out, Glenn. See my response above.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Interestingly I posted yesterday the following
  
  "If he hasn't addressed the issues of
  1) copyright
  2) future Maven terms of service
  3) anticipated future remuneration model
  within the next 24 hours to most people's satisfaction you can be more or less certain there are problems afoot."
  
  Like I keep saying read this for what is NOT SAID as well as what is said.
  
  Nothing about future terms of service.
  Nothing about future remuneration models
  "and authors will continue to earn" doesn't say nearly enough for me.
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  DzyMsLizzyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly! Continue to earn...what? Peanuts? Pennies? Like I was before? This comes at a bad time for me, just when the niche sites seem to have my income on the uptick enough to make payout most every month (finally, after 6+ years here!), I'm none too enthused about this news.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  MsLizzy, Christy has said HubPages will continue as it is. Nothing is going to change. They're making no promises about what may happen in the future, but that's fair enough.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not quite sure why it took you so long to earn on hp.The first time it took me 3 months and in under a year (I didn't even stay that long due to all the trolling) I was earning substantially more than basic payout.
  
  The second time I was joining from squidoo and had about three articles. I didn't bother to write here for at least a year. When I started writing again, it was much slower to reach payout. Once I started writing a few articles a month again, it took me 6 months. And within another 6 months I was reaching payout every month.
  
  Your writing is excellent. I think your choice of topic with regard to topic titles might have been in issue in terms of Google traffic. Very important to get a title that is searched for.
  
  I wish you all success now that you are finally earning.
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Solarasposted 6 years ago
Paul had said they were looking at creating new niche sites. I hope they will look to create a fine arts site, with art history, photography, music (classical, jazz and Broadway) and dance.
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  Sue Adamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
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sundaramponnusamyposted 6 years ago
I do feel the same......
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MelRootsNWritesposted 6 years ago
This is what I've wanted a clearer understanding of. If the two will be separate except for the writers invited to Maven, then I will give a big sigh of relief.
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Jan Saintsposted 6 years ago
How do you remove startpage.com from your firefox homepage? Want my firefox homepage back.
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Go into your browser settings and change the homepage URL.
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Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years ago
Jan, you can download Iobit free uninstaller to easily remove unwanted programs and add ons.
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It's not a program, it's a URL. A browser home-page.
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MomsTreasureChestposted 6 years ago
As the saying goes, Yesterday's the past, Tomorrow's the future...so the statement saying that they make no promises about the future is just as unsettling. Tomorrow is the future, so change can happen at any time. Be prepared. In the past Hubpages owners have been considerate and given notice, such as with ending the answers section or with expert review program, etc. In the future, meaning anytime after today, changes may not come with as much notice, so have a plan in place. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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Kylyssaposted 6 years ago
When do the URLs change so I can delete my articles for which a change in URL will break contracts with print publishers?
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  We've been told they won't change.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  URLs will not change unless you accept an invitation from Maven to join their site.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  To be totally correct, that statement should read:
  
  There are no plans to change the URL's of the niche sites (or the Hubs on niche sites).
  
  If you accept an invitation to write for Maven, that is an invitation to write new articles and will not affect your existing Hubs (unless you choose to move them yourself).
  
  HubPages is not making any guarantees about what may happen in the future, but promises there will be ample warning if any new decisions are made.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think that's quite right. If Maven offers an invitation I think it means that they are asking you to move your existing niche site article plus all new ones to their site...not just that you can write new articles for them.
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  kenyaentrepreneurposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No, TT2. Christy recently posted saying hp articles will stay put. Anyone invited to join will write new content.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree. Maybe Christy can clear this one up. As far as I understand it, once you move over to the Maven site, you no longer are on HubPages...which means that if you accept an invite your work will be added to appropriate channels. Christy, if you see this, please explain. Thanks
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  HoneyBBposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don't understand what makes you think accepting an invite to join Maven will take away your Hubpage account. It seems to me that at this time the plan is to keep Hubpages as it is and if you get invited to put content on the Maven that will be separate almost as if one has nothing to do with the other.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  This is not what I said.. As I understand it, if you are invited to join Maven, any work you transfer to them or create for them is separate from that on HP. For example, I have well over a million views. I have to assume they would want me to bring my work over to them in order to create a new channel for it, rather than just writing new articles for them because this is where the immediate profit would be for them. If they invite me and I say yes, I will be giving them all rights to my work., which means I lose total control over it. However, I can still write on HP if I choose to do so.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Nope your work won't be moved it's just like being invited to another site to write for them too. It's not an option to choose one or the other.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Show me where it says that.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  https://hubpages.com/community/forum/14 … ost2936190
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for linking when I could not
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  There is an option to move your work. I have not seen anywhere that they would want the invited few to continue writing on both sites. Perhaps that should be clarified! It seems to be pretty clear that there won't be many invitations handed out to writers from here out so it is probably not an issue. My biggest concern is that if it happens the quality content and writers will be diluted when they start writing on their own channels.
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  Christy Kirwanposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Accepting an invitation from Maven, should one be forthcoming (they are extremely exclusive with these, so we don't expect it to be a frequent thing) will have nothing to do with your existing articles and be separate from your relationship with HubPages and Network Sites.
  
  Your articles will stay on HubPages or Network Sites for the forseeable future unless you remove them.
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  Solarasposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for all of the clarity Christie. I think we should all feel good about the change in the near term. We look forward to clever ad schemes that may boost our CPM.
  
  I hope the new editors enjoyed their first week. Remind them that Amazon capsules that sell products are Amazon capsules that well deserves to remain in articles!
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Haha. Yeah Amazon capsules must stay.
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Gregory DeVictorposted 6 years ago
That came straight from the Gates Hillman Center at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh. Just what will they come up with next?
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Paul Edmondsonposted 6 years ago
We are very excited about what we can do for Hubbers. I’ve been on the road this week with our new Maven team.

Our first focus is bringing better monetization to HubPages. We have deals with two new bidding partners in the works.

Maven is a very dynamic forward thinking company that is aggressively perusing meaningful opportunities to add scale.

For all the folks at HubPages, we have two major goals for you.

1. Make more money
2. Drive more traffic

We are working through high level multi year plans and strategies to better serve independent publishers and passionate experts.

For the Maven to complete due diligence, audits, and other steps to close the agreement, it will take multiple months.

We’ve been running HubPages 12 years, outlasted many folks and are now thriving. As I’ve said before, we have a multi year commitment tied to the success of HubPages.

We will keep you posted as plans become public.

Thanks!
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  jansharesposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks! So in other words, chill. Things will remain the same for a while.
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  paradigmsearchposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  Will Apseposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Except they will have more resources by the sounds of it. Which can be no bad thing.
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  HoneyBBposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds promising!! Excited for the future. Thanks
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. Matt has also confirmed that TOS for Hubbers will remain the same. This clears that up! Much appreciated.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, he sent me an email that stated this.
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  Ashish Dadgaaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  @Paul Edmondson,
  
  Thank you so much for detailed updates.
  
  Glad to see these two lines
  1. Make more money
  2. Drive more traffic
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Paul Edmondsonposted 6 years ago
We love all the questions. To be clear, we’ve made strategic moves in the past with the goal of helping Hubbers.

I’m a huge believer in tech platforms that provide two primary services. They drive revenue and traffic.

Our plan is totally focused on this goal.

Help publishers drive more traffic and more revenue.

We have all been through a ton together. As we evolve, those goals remain unchanged.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Good to hear that. Keep up the good work. Just keep us informed on the changes. Open communication is the key to success. Let us know how we can help.
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  chef-de-jourposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Appreciate the feedback and reassurances Paula and Christy and team. Let's hope the merger/business plan is successful and we can move forward in confidence. I'm optimistic and have already written 3 new articles this week.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yup that's for sure we've been through a lot together that's why I believed in your plans. You're a great guy.
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  Barbara Kayposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'd like to express my appreciation for all these years of hard work Paul has put in trying to keep up with Google's expectations. Sometimes it has been a hard road, but you've always stuck right there with us. I've earned more money here than I would have anywhere else and I'd like to thank you.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I absolutely agree. I have loved this site from the day I joined, have learned so much and have prospered more than I would ever have dreamed. This is why I am so hopeful that HP will stay as is for a very, very long time.
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  AliciaCposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, too. Now that some important questions have been answered, I'm looking forward to the future.
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  Kierstin Gunsbergposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Personally, I'm very excited
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What is interesting to me is that since I've been on this site it seems to have gone from a fairly casual "write your heart and don't worry about money" to a really serious business profile that helps people to create better and more professional level work while at the same time earning as much as possible. I love that the team got rid of most of the spam and has set up the QAP. Doing this has made a huge difference in the quality as well as the success of the site, despite the fact that some people complained about it. Great job HP!
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  Jean Bakulaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I noticed that too. As I was finishing fixing up the photo sizes, I found hubs I wrote when I first started writing here. They were so awful I deleted them. I didn't care about losing the copyright date, because I know I am a better writer now, and can still write on that topic, and make it a much more interesting article.
  
  Everyone seems calmer now, that's good. Business mergers take months, there are so many details to work out. I think the administration wants to make money, but they need writers, so they do have all the interests at heart.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I also need to delete some.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I hate to delete, but I wrote many of the articles here before I went on Wizzley. And although I wrote the ten pieces I needed to be accepted there, I saved it all, and it's really not all that good. So I feel better now as a writer. I don't have an emotional attachment to many of the pieces. And apparently, I pretty much neglected a big section of hubs, as older changes had not been made. I deleted about 15. But I want to rewrite a few.
  
  I was taking metaphysical courses when I began at HP, and had so many ideas. As the years passed, I learned more on a few of the hubs I deleted. I also had a few where I was able to combine two so/so articles into one good one.
  
  I read a lot and used to write book reviews. Except for a few that are still relevant, or are classics, a lot of those were in the "Delete" group. I like writing them though, and as I brought the better ones up to standards, they got on Owlcation. So if I read something I believe others may be interested in, I think I will continue to do that. The hard part is the title. You can't just write the name of the book and the author, that already dooms it to Page 10 of Google, as the publishers all have their reviews. And it needs to be approached from a different angle from other book reviews on the same book, or just be really good. So I look forward to the challenge.
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Kylyssaposted 6 years ago
I wanted to express my gratitude to HubPages management for keeping us informed of changes. HubPages is behaving nothing like previous content farms I have experience with, and that is wonderful. After years of content farms like Squidoo doing stuff like selling our account information to HubPages after requiring each of us to create at least five short, shallow junk pieces to keep certain account features to artificially puff up the number of "lenses" for that sale, it's mighty refreshing to be treated like people.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I completely agree and am very grateful too. It has been a pleasure to write here for the past five years in spite of the ups and downs we have had. I have always felt that staff had our interests at heart.
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  Savio Dawsonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1 to that.
  
  Though I am not a frequenter (if there is such a word ) here, I keep coming every now and then. I have seen many changes here, but kept on with my articles and the staff's suggestion on my articles. It's quite a nice place - enjoy interaction with few hubbers, namely Twilight Lawns... Have seen articles by WryLit and here mind boggling suggestions on SEO or new article ideas... So, will continue being here for next 100 years... Hahah..
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Just saw interview of the two CEOs of Maven and HubPages... very impressive. I have a much better understanding of what this union is about. They say it is a family and they are committed for the long haul. Great news for us.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  https://www.themaven.net/the-maven/pres … IpMr9LhmWg
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the link, really interesting.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the link
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  EricDockettposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for sharing that, Jack.
  
  I still have a bunch of concerns about this situation, and I've been trying to sort it all out. I still feel like content creators on HP have been left in the dark a bit, unlike the content creators who themselves agreed to go to Maven on their own.
  
  Every day I get a little bit closer to being okay with this, and information like what's in this video certainly helps.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I know what you mean.There is no guarantees, however, I admire there persistence in fighting against the gorilla in the room. Google is not a sure thing. Just remember what happened to Kodak...and a slew of major companies eho lost their way and are no more...PAN American Airway.
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  incomeguruposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'm also a bit worried about their merger. HubPages will be consumed within the maven's existing model, So who knows what's going to happen in the nearest future.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting. I keep wondering what they mean by "working on one platform". when we've been told that HP will basically work the same way which is different from how Maven works. Are they referring to technology itself? Anybody?
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don’t have any inside info just a hunch. I suspect, HubPages will replace the current Maven site. HP is far more advanced technology wise and more developed having been around 12 years and surviving. Maven is fairly new and their website is primitive. IMHO
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Boy, wouldn't THAT be nice!
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  gmwilliamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Anyone else noticed that they are getting Maven ads on their hubs?
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  Marketing Meritposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Probably just ad tracking Sally.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps! Clever old google at its tricks maybe.
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  eugbugposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Do they just mean that the site links to the HubPages niche sites? If the niche sites are redesigned to reflect the Maven "style", as far as a user is concerned they are still on the same platform, but the URL's remain the same.
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paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago
I think we have reached the point:

Who cares?
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  Sherry Hewinsposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I care, I think we all care, but we can't predict, and we have no control over it. They tell us nothing is changing, for now. They tell us they are doing it to help us draw more traffic and earnings. That makes sense; if we earn more, they earn more.
  
  I do not distrust anybody's motives, but things are changing and that's always scary. I have made new copies of all of my hubs so everything is current. For now things are going OK. Looking back over 2017, it compares very favorably with 2016. I have done what I can, now I will hope for the best.
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emgeposted 6 years ago
There will be changes. It remains to be seen if Hubpages will rise UP in Alexa and global ranking after take over. I doubt it.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  There's really no way to know. However, if HP eventually is seen as a site where "experts" write and if Maven does find ways to improve traffic and income, it's possible. The bottom line is that we really have little choice here. We can either stay and ride it out to see what happens or delete our work and move it elsewhere. However, if you watch the interview that was linked to above, one thing that was said there really stood out: smaller sites (such as individual websites) will not have the ability to compete in the future as they have i the past because individuals simply do not have the technological know how of larger companies. To me that seems to be the wave of the future, and if that statement is correct, there truly will be no place to go anyhow!
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think that statement is correct. It's the marketing spiel that he's using to persuade people to join Maven, that's all.
  
  It's true that you found it hard to monetize your own website, but there are still plenty of people making money on their own websites. It's hard work and funnily enough, writers often aren't good at it. I find that talented writers often loathe all the work associated with running a website, whereas the most successful bloggers are people who have the kind of logical, mathematical mind that enjoys all the analytics, link building etc. They're the ones who will stick to it.
  
  You may have noticed we have a new Hubber, Jean. She was explaining how to do "page sculpting" on your own blog or website, to make sure your most profitable pages rank best on Google. It made me feel exhausted just reading it! Which is one of the reasons I decided not to blog for a living.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I have a very logical, analytical mind. I pretty much got straight As (mostly 100%) for all my math papers. I used to love puzzles in my 20s and I also programmed computers for a living in the mid 70s. I just prefer writing and the arts in general, sciences second, and not much into either technology or business.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You've confirmed what I always thought about you, Tess. That's why I thought you should have been a natural to make a successful website, because you have the analytical brain to enjoy all the technical stuff and the writing skills as well.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Patience is another skill needed to build a successful website.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Tell me about it.
  
  Just the thought of going to Google webmaster guide to check out how Google wants the site designed is a headache. Then figuring out the metatags, etc. Used to be a matter of a few keywords but now you have about half a dozen categories to consider.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'm getting there so slowly, Marisa.
  
  Perhaps my resistence for the last few years has been all the other bullarkey that has been occuring in my life. In the past year, I have moved six times. You have no idea how disrupting that is!
  
  About six months ago, I bought the best HTML/CSS book I have ever seen. It was written by a dozen genius kids for other kids. It is so simple! It was written exactly the way I wanted to write an HTML5/CSS3 book. I'm working with Railridge in South Africa in order to update their WebDesign course to make it simpler to understand, and I half-bought the book for them to understand whatI was saying when I said that using jargon makes web design difficult to understand (when it really isn't). Simple,clear language is critical to understand web design. Why make something difficult because the words are not understood?
  
  Anyway, I don't dare hope, but I think I'm finally settled. And if I can now settle down and just focus on work instead of basic survival, maybe I'll finally get the website done! I have the design, the topics, the articles, etc. done.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds good!
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CYong74posted 6 years ago
Some of you might have read about the changes to the YouTube Partner i.e. monetization policy. A lot of channel owners are in tears, to put it lightly.

My channel is one of those affected, and while I admit my videos weren't exactly doing well, the thing I wish to highlight is how YouTube, and Google in extension, dealt with its partners. In comparison, HubPages positively shines. At least there is some sort of advance notice here. At least the administrators are responding in person.

Over there, it happened as: this is what we decided, we don't want you anymore, you're out. If you qualify in the future, you can reapply. But we will need weeks to respond.
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  Rock_njposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I saw the notice about changes in the YouTube Partner i.e. monetization policy policy, but my channel is so lightly accessed and earnings so little that I didn't read it. Are they reducing earning potential for many You Tubers?
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  eugbugposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You now must have 1000 subscribers and at least 4000 hours of watch time in the last 12 months to be eligible for monetisation.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That is a shame, seems like it gets harder to earn a buck. I hope this puts lots of people off from uploading their content.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I think you need to look at what's happening elsewhere within the context of the imperatives being pushed at YouTube about eliminating all videos which reflect abuse or terrorism.
  
  The major advertising partners (apart from 'normal human beings') are completely disgusted and fed up about the lack of quality assurance by YouTube and the fact that their adverts have turned up on the pages of some really reprehensible videos.
  
  I think one of the facts the BIG PLATFORMS have got to get their heads around is that in future it is extremely likely that they are going to be held accountable for the type of content on their sites.
  
  That means they have to address the quality assurance issues - which, to date, have always revolved around the notion of "there's just far too much content for us to ever be able to monitor". The answer they are hearing right now is "tough - that explanation is not going to count for anything in future".
  
  I'm guessing - but I suspect that one of the things they are doing is eliminating the myriad small fry who post disgusting / shocking / alarming videos so they can make money from adverts. It also eliminates all those who post videos that do nothing of the sort - but YouTube frankly don't care about that. What they care about is keeping the big advertisers who were walking away in droves - and minimising the quantity of sites which they have to monitor. I'm guessing their rationale is that if people don't get advertising income then they'll stop posting the nasty videos. Personally I think they're wrong - but their new strategy will mean they'll get less hassle from the major advertisers.
  
  Makes sense to me. They've got a BIG problem and they've got to start somewhere.
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
I happen to be one of them. I am hoping to make the quota. Fingers crossed.
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CYong74posted 6 years ago
The way YT did it is so ... cold. On top of which the new criteria are practically impossible for the niche I cater to. Even many of the top players in my reach don't have that kind of subscription.

Which is why, worrying as it might be, I appreciate we at least have the chance to read and discuss developments here in HP.

Kenna: Be careful how you do it. I'm dead sure YT would be looking for for sudden surges in subscribes and traffic, and doing something about it.
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  dougwest1posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  My YT channel only has 350 subscribers so I guess I will be out of the money in late February. I didn't make much money off the channel so I guess I'll be okay. It was kind of a shock when I got the email from them the other night. It is getting harder and harder to make money online.
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  TessSchlesingerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, I was also kicked off. However, I switched off the Adsense on it a while ago. What concerns me now is if they are going to switch off Adsense for one's other websites and if they will swtich off one's Adsense account if one is only using hubpages (which is what I am doing).
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  How did they advise you that you had been 'kicked off'? I have not received anything. Checked my account today and everything seems the same!
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  chasmacposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Here's part of the email, Sally:
  Under the new eligibility requirements announced today, your YouTube channel is no longer eligible for monetisation because it does not meet the new threshold of 4,000 hours of watch time within the past 12 months and 1,000 subscribers. As a result, your channel will lose access to all monetisation tools and features associated with the YouTube Partner Program on 20 February 2018 unless you surpass this threshold in the next 30 days. Accordingly, this email serves as 30 days notice that your YouTube Partner Program terms are terminated.
  
  There's also a brief notice at the top of my YouTube Dashboard.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting! I have not received one and there is no notice on my dashboard. I also don't have the subscribers but think I meet the other threshold.
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  dougwest1posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  TessSchlesinger:
  I think the action of removing ads from YT is limited to YT. A few months ago, YT got in trouble from their major advertisers because some ads would appear on ISIS video and that made the big advertisers upset (I would be upset too). As a result, YT had to hire over 7000 people to review YT content and remove offensive videos. My guess is that they are limiting their work load to just monetize the channels with at least 1000 subscribers. My two cents worth - but who can know the mind of the masters of the universe at Google?
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  Rock_njposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  While that makes sense for YouTube to do in the short-term to get a handle on the problem and kee[ big advertisers happy, in the long-term it's going to hurt the site's growth. How many people with legitimate YouTube channels will stick around and get to these new thresholds? Not many. Seems like there's a big opportunity for a competitor that does cater to the smaller channel operators to experience a surge in market share. In the long-run, this is going to hurt You-Tube's growth.
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  But they're not interested in people with tiny audiences and not much traffic when there are lots and lots of sites out there with big followings and massive traffic.
  
  Most of all they are afraid of alienating major advertisers who will not tolerate their adverts appearing on unsavoury sites.
  
  They're adopting a strategy which they think will work better for them going forward. They're not actually interested in whether it's better for any of the small channels. It's business....
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  Rock_njposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I hear you, but many of the big YouTube channels started out as small YouTube channels and grew to the point they are at today. They are going to severely disrupt future organic growth with this policy, but it's their business, so they can do as they please. If I was a competitor, I'd be really happy with this move.
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
Doug, true. Maven might the solution, right now, with the changes happening. Google has a lot of control over the Internet. Tyranny comes to mind.
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theraggededgeposted 6 years ago
And, of course, bearing in mind that YT is owned by Google, and is thus part of their intention to dominate the world, the internet, and everything
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  ...and they can only do that if they don't alienate the major advertisers.
  
  Makes sense to me....
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Azure11posted 6 years ago
I also got the email from You Tube :-( I have the subscribers (account has been around for a long time) but am short of the viewing minutes. I was only earning a small amount per month but it's annoying. If there was another option I might go with it...
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
Who are competitors?
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  ChristinSposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I can bet this move will have them popping up all over the place over the next year. I hope someone gives YouTube a run for its money. Google has a deathgrip on everything and is destroying innovation and small publishers for its own gain.
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  Rock_njposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Vimeo, Dailymotion and Twitch are three that I found that are competitors.
  
  I agree with you ChristinS. This move is going to hurt innovation. Now YouTube is going to have a lot of big money slick videos that aren't too innovative in many cases. They will lose many of those independents and up and coming videographers that made it such a cool and unique site.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Would they? If I were to become a videographer I would still go to Youtube as I know their monetization is the best in the industry. I would only take to making videos if I were good at it. If I am good at it getting 1000 subscribers should be a breeze or the total time watched.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  My concern is how this will hurt our hubs. I put at least one YouTube video on every hub. If creators delete their videos, this could cause problems for writers here.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It's too much work deleting stuff especially if you got nowhere else to put it. No other video streaming service can really make you money. So people would rather leave their videos on there and wait to reach the threshold to begin earning. This should not really be a problem in most cases. Videos do get taken down occasionally anyway.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I've always wondered how the YouTube thing works. Seems like you'd need special equipment a sort of script, etc. Some I see are terrific, others aren't worth watching...but I have no clue what goes into making a video to upload. Any info here?
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  EricFarmer8xposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You would need a way to record content. This would really depend on the type of content you want to make. A gamer like me would need a way to record my gameplay. If you were more of a blogger or had other ideas you would need an actual camera or very good webcam.
  
  I need a script to stay in focus. Without one I ramble and have a hard time sounding good.
  
  Then you need a software to edit everything together. Well, you actually don't really need to edit videos but they won't look very good without at least some basic edits. Video editing software can be expensive but there are some completely free options.
  
  Uploading to YouTube is pretty straightforward. They tried to make setting up a channel as easy as possible. You would have to learn some things though if you never have before.
  
  As for why there such a huge difference in quality it really factors down to some people spend more time editing their content and have better equipment. Some people also can "act" better and sound more professional.
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  eugbugposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I found the greatest problem was remembering my "script" when recording videos and had to do about 10 takes per scene and then stitch the whole thing together! You can probably ad lib, but I think it's better to have a basic script that you learn off and remember, otherwise you can forget what to say and end up with lots of "ums" and "ehs". Some people are natural talkers and are great at talking without any pauses. You can use your smartphone (a low budget one is fine) or an SLR for recording video. A remote lavalier microphone would be a good idea, otherwise you can sound somewhat distant unless you're close to the phone.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don't understand how you make money from posting videos on YT. Can you explain this to me?
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Here: https://www.wikihow.com/Earn-Money-on-YouTube
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I already have a YT channel that I set up casually to sell one of my RVs two years ago. He videotaped it for me and put it on a flash drive which I uploaded to YT. I also already have an Adsense account here on HP. So, If I wanted to do more with the channel I have, do I need to do anything now other than to create and upload videos? I haven't activated the Adsense on my channel because I never intended to use it to make money.
  
  Also, I once tried to remove those videos and couldn't do it. Once you put videos up, do they stay forever?
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Have you made the videos public or private? If you made them private then only you can see them. Change that setting if you did that. If you want to make money from them you should add your Adsense details to your Account settings and start using some of the videos on your own RV writing if this is your intention to earn money from them. I use a few felting ones and the money I make there is added to my Adsense earnings.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Do you mean add YT to my verified Adsense sites or ad Adsense to YT settings. If it is the second one, how do I do that? Wouldn't YT already have that info since they are owned by Google?
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  chasmacposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sign in to YouTube.
  In the top right, select your account icon > Creator Studio.
  In the left menu, select Channel
  Under "Monetization," click Enable.
  Follow the on-screen steps to accept the YouTube Partner Program Terms.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry forgot to answer your question, yes you can delete a video, there are loads of videos on youtube which will show you how to do it.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I've not really done this myself. But from what I know and sallybea has confirmed all you need to do is add your publisher ID, google it to find out more I'm sure there's a video showing you how. But now with the new changes you need to have a minimum number of subscribers or total time watched.
  
  Yes, you can delete videos. I've deleted the one I put up years ago. It was for a school project and I deleted it after the project.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You make a video using your camera, your laptop, tablet or computer and then you upload it to your YouTube channel (which you create) and then add Adsense (monetization) to your settings. There should be loads of tutorials on YouTube which will show you how to do it.
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  eugbugposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I've made practically nothing from the few videos I uploaded and anyway I didn't want distracting ad info overlaid on the ones I use on hubs because I use speech bubble type annotations to point out stuff to viewers (Just noticed they did away away with this also last May. Annotations will still be displayed on desktop, but can no longer be edited). After uploading a video, you can edit it in Creator Studio. Just select "monetisation" under the video and turn on the switch for "monetise with ads". Then pick the style of advertising to appear when the video is displayed. I can't remember whether you have to link the id details of your Adsense account, or whether they know it's you because you're linked into a Google product.
  
  https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72857?hl=en
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I can't see how they would, especially if the video is, for instance, a visual of what I teach on a hub. Some people are visual learners and I might as well make money from the video as well as from the hub.
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CYong74posted 6 years ago
Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that channel owners would remove their videos. The decent ones, that is. For me, some of my videos have been there for near 10 years, and anyway, I didn't upload most of them for profit. Practically the entire niche I cater to uploads to YouTube too. It's simply nonsensical to remove the videos.

In addition to which is what a lot of people have highlighted. Despite what's said and claimed, no other platform comes close to YouTube at the moment. I suspect videos getting low views on YouTube would get even lower, if any view at all, on these other platforms. Sad to say, all of us are pretty much in its grip.
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  EricFarmer8xposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I thought of making a YouTube channel and making content but I never really followed through with it. Right now I am enjoying writing much more.
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
I agree. I started using YT to upload videos to another platform and kept them private because they were audition pieces. Now, I use YT to upload videos to write about movies. I have already noticed a change in YT more celebrity and talk show clips. Probably owned by the production or PR companies. Another thing, even though I don't get revenue anymore. YT still has ads running on my videos, go figure.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Are your stats showing no earnings already?
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
The best I can recommend is google these questions. I did. There are some great videos out there that explain it all.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, have checked it out.
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
Webcams work just fine. The technology is so simple now. Anyone can do it.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What's a webcam, how much do they cost and how do they work? Do they have microphones in them? How do you transfer the content to YT?
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  If you're really interested Google some stuff out. Search for tutorials. You can begin here https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-YouTube-Video
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  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Nice site - but I giggled at the irony....
  
  I make my own videos but have never used them to make money.
  
  Just checked my channel and I've got 927 subscribers but over 100k traffic to my videos last year - but no email.
  
  What's the address the email comes from? Or does it only go to those who use AdSense?
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I did not get one either and there is nothing on my account to indicate that they are 'kicking' me off the site yet. I use Adsense.
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  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The email was only for those people who were getting ad income from their youtube videos who now do not meet the subscriber minimum or total hours watched minimum.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don't meet the subscribers minimum but think I probably do in total hours.
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  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Very cheap but you may have an input camera on your laptop already or could use your mobile phone or a camera with video settings on it.
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
There is so much information available on the Internet about YT. You should study it and learn.
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Kenna McHughposted 6 years ago
Same here.
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CYong74posted 6 years ago
Monetization needs to be approval. I don't believe any approval would be done now, unless you meet those two criteria.
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