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Should forum trolls be given the same rights as human beings?

  1. mythbuster profile image85
    mythbusterposted 7 years ago

    Okay, so this isn't intended to be a very serious topic/thread.

    Go ahead and express your opinion about forum trolls:

    (lookit all this space that needs to be filled)

    1. lorlie6 profile image88
      lorlie6posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Let the billy goats have 'em, I say! lol

      1. SunSeven profile image66
        SunSevenposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        What about lurkers, like me? smile

        1. mythbuster profile image85
          mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Oh, definitely, Sun Seven, lurkers should be given the same rights as human beans....... j/k Human beings.

          1. SunSeven profile image66
            SunSevenposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I really liked it. Especially the human beans part. (No pun intended) smile

            Warm Regards

      2. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        But are you sure, lorlie6, that the Billy Goat's Council will really treat the trolls fairly?

        If so, then I, too, say: Off with they go, take them to the Billy Goats!

        1. lorlie6 profile image88
          lorlie6posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Indeed!

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol lol lol


      The
      Reckless
      Opinionated
      Loud
      Leech

      I believe that is the official acronym for troll, but what do I know, I have 9 of them

      lol lol

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        9 LEECHES   omg :d  THAT IS SERIOUS

    3. profile image0
      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I don't care how many ID's someone has, I treat each one as a separate person, which in many ways they are. I don't have the time or desire to keep track of them any other way.

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    Justine76posted 7 years ago

    lol I told you..they need to be gay forum trolls...  wink

    1. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      OH! *slaps forehead* I see your point, Justine76 - how could I have overlooked THAT!

      my bad

  3. Beelzedad profile image57
    Beelzedadposted 7 years ago

    Trolls have their own declaration of rights and are debating whether or not humans should be allowed to share those rights. smile

    1. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You'll inform us of the results when the verdict on this matter comes in, won't you, Beelzedad? I mean - after this important debate has drawn to a close?

      1. Falsor Wing profile image83
        Falsor Wingposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Unfortunately the debate will never come to an end as Godwins law was applied seconds after threads creation.

  4. RKHenry profile image77
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    What the hell is a forum troll?  You? Who? What?

    I've been here a while now, and I've never seen so many made up "forum names," in my entire career here.  WTF?  Bored or something?

    1. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Forum troll: one who posts inflammatory, off-topic, totally irrelevant or purposely out of context remarks with the primary intent to provoke others or otherwise bait people into highly emotional responses and to significantly disrupt or impair discussions.

      Or at least that's what "troll" has come to mean in the last decade or so - but an earlier form of "troll" was not quite so negative... ie: the owners/creator of Snopes .com (the urban folklore site ) "trolled" in forums, picking up urban legends and tidbits and later created a site based on many stories gleaned from "trolling." David Mikkelson, prior to creation of the Snopes (created 1995) site, was involved in the AFU (alt/folklore/urban) newsgroup online at the time he was trolling.

      Shortly after creation of Snopes, the alt folklore urban legend site was hit very hard with other, more detrimental types of "trollers" - ones who consider forums part of a virtual world they're playing a game in - and who fit the first description of "troll" posted earliest in this response - and participants who aren't concerned about the well-being of others. AFU was hit so hard with multiple user accounts, postings and activity that the act of trolling became very frowned upon.

      Also, an earlier meaning of the term has been considered a positive contribution in forums whereby a beneficial type of troller posts topics intended to garner positive reaction and identify those members of a site/forum who are like-minded in a positive way and who are 'insiders' to what's going on in a forum or specific site - more the type of trolling done by Mikkelson - who used the name "Snopes" as a handle in the AFU newsgroup.

      There are explanations of troll and trolling on wikipedia, snopes, AFU and several articles elsewhere online. The "behavior" and "effects" have also been studied quite a lot. If you search for Susan Herring (topics concerning safety, females and safety in forums) you're sure to find a good article - or search on Judith Donath, who has studied on usenet groups, and something interesting should be returned in search results. Both these authors/researchers are actually listed in the Wikipedia article on the troll topic.

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        So our trolls are actually the dark side of the beneficial troll!  virtual good and evil WOW. 

        There is a thread somewhere about cloned human beings - would they have a soul, do religious trolls have a soul, or does each face of the owner share a fragment of the whole personality soul?

        Thanks for the history of trolls, very enlightening.

        I have noticed with ours that when they feel under peer pressure in the threads (effectively getting their own medicine but from a group of real(ish) characters) - or when they are being talked about - they become almost nice and join in random discussions, especially I like the occasional little apology big_smile

        1. alternate poet profile image64
          alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          and I forgot - the way a face of the soul-less ones will cuddle up in the threads, I guess so that your apparent friend can agree with its nasty alter ego later?

          1. mythbuster profile image85
            mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, and these are just more good points to the aforementioned dark troll you've informed us of, right?

  5. oscillationatend profile image61
    oscillationatendposted 7 years ago

    I think trolls are fine as long as they don't start trying to make us pay to cross the bridge that leads to the bathroom.

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    http://thecrustycurmudgeon.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/troll-doug-wildman-flickr.jpg

    "No goats around, guess I'll go visit the religious threads."

    1. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      This is a great photo!

      1. Lisa HW profile image81
        Lisa HWposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        It's a great photo - but in a way he kind of looks like a regular guy without clothes on, cold, and with some horrible skin condition.  lol   I kind of feel bad for him.  lol      then again, he's also creepy.

    2. ceciliabeltran profile image78
      ceciliabeltranposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      lol

  7. TheGlassSpider profile image74
    TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago

    Trolls serve the purpose of helping us all to realize the value of sane, reasonable, courteous communication.


    Besides, If we were lacking in trolls, upon what flesh would we sharpen our verbal sparring skills?? wink

    1. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You can take this point of view, yes...but must we sharpen to such a fine point?

      Hey Falsor Wing - I just searched 99chan... it sounded like a radio station I used to listen to lol but alas, I found a write up on it on the Encyclopedia Dramatica wiki.

      *whistles* Looks too nasty for me to go to, Falsor Wing. W-Dramatica says it's a recreated 78chan - only with a bunch of glitches and slow as molasses. 

      I'm seriously going to cut down on the sharpening of my verbal sparring skills, anyway, so I appreciate the mention of 99chan but you'll have to frequent that site without me.

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image74
        TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Mythbuster, the second part of my statement was "spoken" with my tongue firmly in my cheek. smile I'm all for peaceful communication, although I have been known to fail in my attempts at it.

  8. Jane@CM profile image59
    Jane@CMposted 7 years ago

    Great history of the troll.  I never knew that - see you learn something new everyday, regardless if its worth a bean or not.

  9. lorlie6 profile image88
    lorlie6posted 7 years ago

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lkOPHZJetNI/S … +gruff.jpg
    Does anyone wish to share the secret of uploading photos to the forums?  Obviously I have no idea! lol

    1. Falsor Wing profile image83
      Falsor Wingposted 7 years ago

      For more on trolls visit 99chan the internet's dark underbelly.

      1. profile image0
        Justine76posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        gasp!! the internet has a... dark side?

    2. Friendlyword profile image59
      Friendlywordposted 7 years ago

      I guess I'm going to be troll and say this is wasted space. 25 post and no one named one person they think is a troll. According to discription; any thinking person with an opinion is a troll. 

      I think Sad Oh/TKsenseless is a troll. He only comments to start arguments or get people banned.

      Have some backbone people!

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Yes he/they is/are, along with a few other avatars which are also him/her - you could also be one of his clones for all anyone knows. It is bad form in polite discussion to out someone don't yer know, for one you can be wrong also there is always the possibility of redemption and maybe one day the trolls will stop playing this like a mindless computer game of sad laughs and actually think or learn something.

        And a troll is not a thinking person with an opinion - it is someone playing games for their own mindless ends.

        1. Friendlyword profile image59
          Friendlywordposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you for clearing that up for me. I can't argue with the possibility of redemption. What about the people like me that might be clones of a troll,  but would like to improve their communication habits. How can you improve without honest criticism?

          1. alternate poet profile image64
            alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            or damnation big_smile big_smile

      2. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        This was just to open up discussions on opinions about trolls - not to "out" the names of people who are trolls.

        1. Friendlyword profile image59
          Friendlywordposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          OK, My opinion is; I don't care if you are a troll.  Don't stalk me! There are so many people on the Hubpages and forums. Why me?

    3. gramarye profile image60
      gramaryeposted 7 years ago

      I like the photo, but nobody answered the question about uploading photos into the forum cause I've wanted to ask that question for a while.

      P.S Trolls did nothing to deserve a bad reputation!

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        You clearly have not been harassed and mindlessly pursued through every thread  by one !

      2. Falsor Wing profile image83
        Falsor Wingposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        then you don't know enough trolls

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        Will Bensonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        It's pretty simple. The pic must be downloaded from the web, not your computer's picture files.

        Copy the url and paste it as follows:

        [img]http/..(the rest of the url)..-flickr.jpg[/img]

        Note the forward slash in the second [/img]

        1. ThoughtfulSpot profile image69
          ThoughtfulSpotposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          If you ever forget... just click the little blue "Formatting Tips" at the bottom right of your reply box (where you are actually typing your reply.)  The appropriate formatting for including images is there.

      4. Lisa HW profile image81
        Lisa HWposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        If you go to something like photobucket.com and search for a picture you'll see there are codes.  You'll also see which code you would need to paste in here (since it's a forum).  You copy the code for a forum, and paste into your post. 

        There's one thing you need to do, though, and that's to change the lower case "img" at the beginning and end of the code to upper case "IMG"

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          Justine76posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          really? I always use lower case..  like this  [img]insert address of photo found by left clicking on it and seeing properties. it will say address or URL, just copy it and no spaces[/img]

          http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1712918694782&id=fed0ca0cc3d5b009ca9828169414d8a3&url=http%3a%2f%2fi259.photobucket.com%2falbums%2fhh308%2fhaybay33%2frainbow_peace_symbol.jpg

          1. rebekahELLE profile image90
            rebekahELLEposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            that's how I do it also. no need for caps.

    4. blondepoet profile image72
      blondepoetposted 7 years ago

      As the queen of hearts would say "Off with their heads". LMAO!!!

      http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww61/nancy55_02/QueenofHeartsAliceinWonderlandexhib.jpg

      1. skyfire profile image72
        skyfireposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        lol

      2. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        People are finding great photos for posting.

        Thanks, blondepoet!

      3. blake4d profile image73
        blake4dposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hey BP and Mythbuster, you might wanna check my response at the end of the hub...I left it while trolling thru these parts. Blake4d

        1. alternate poet profile image64
          alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          what hub and where ?

          But you are not trolling are you - you have posted witty interesting comments and as far as I know you are not following anyone just to post irritating one liners after every post they make - are you ?

          1. blake4d profile image73
            blake4dposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Fine Mr. Poet, can I call myself something lesser but still sickly and reptilian sounding, how about the boot beastie.

            I am boot beasting around the hub.
            But if I find myself a troll, I am gonna follow and irritate them
            until they wish they never heard of the boot beastie.

        2. blake4d profile image73
          blake4dposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Boot beastie...Boot beastie...Boot beastie...

          1. alternate poet profile image64
            alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            OK - I have visited your hubs, now I understand even less big_smile  Like your poetry.

    5. Origin profile image60
      Originposted 7 years ago

      I've been a video gamer for the past couple decades, and that is usually where you find a rather large portion of forum trolls. You can't really stop a forum troll, because the person doing the trolling feels protected because of being anonymous, protected by being 1,000 miles away from people.

      It's sort of like those people in cars that are filled with road rage, they yell and swear at people, honk their horns, etc. Yet, when they are out of the car they change who they are.

    6. profile image0
      kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years ago

      hmmmmm...............  *sigh*

    7. waynet profile image51
      waynetposted 7 years ago

      Burn the trolls!!!!

      Especially if their hair sticks up and is green, blue or pink!!

      Burn them I say!

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Or at least put some clothes on them...

    8. rebekahELLE profile image90
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago

      let the bridges fall as they run for cover with their forum plunder!

      http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/303/3/e/Magic_Card___Bogart_Thieves_by_bridge_troll.jpg

      big_smile

      1. waynet profile image51
        waynetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hey that art is from deviant art the bridge troll....

        Yeah let the forum trolls get buried by the bridge!

    9. rebekahELLE profile image90
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago

      yeah, I couldn't resist.. this is what they really look like, those nasty trolls....



      big_smile

    10. mega1 profile image80
      mega1posted 7 years ago

      If you live near the ocean and you're out there on a boat you might be "trolling" or fishing with lines.  I think that is more descriptive of the trolls - at least here on HubPages - they are "fishing" for pithy and witty comments with posts such as this one right chere!

      So, no, I don't hate trolls - without them these forums would be a sleepy, sludgy place - like about 80% of the time - and I live for that 10% when people are thoughtful and witty - the other 10% the place is totally dead.

      We need trolls possibly more than they need us.

      Long live the trolls!  (especially when they're not too hairy!)

      1. susanlang profile image56
        susanlangposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        lol (not a troll) but had to laugh.

    11. mega1 profile image80
      mega1posted 7 years ago

      and as for "troll rights"  - we don't have to GIVE them rights - they will just TAKE them!  not to worry about trolls - worry about the clouds of ash and the prevalence of earthquakes and tornadoes and cyclones and hurricanes - worry about drought and destruction of barrier reef - worry about jobs and big employers going elsewhere or out of business - worry about healthcare - worry about taxes - worry about youe teenagers and your grandchildren and what kind of world are we making for them?  and worry about that annoying growth on the side of your neck - worry about whether your hubby will come home on time tonight instead of 4 hours late reeking of someone elses perfume and cheap liquor - worry about the price of eggs, milk, veggies - worry about global warming for pete's sake - BUT DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE DAMN TROLLS!  lol  and have a good goddamn day!

    12. blake4d profile image73
      blake4dposted 7 years ago

      Oh I see, when all else fails, then we can all rest easy cause the world has one last scapegoat in our arsenal...the lowly troll.

      Well I have only met one troll in my life, at least to my knowledge, His name was Freddy Fork Fingers and he only was two or three feet tall even while wearing high heels. He was rather unfavorably looking, having what I assume from some pictures posted that he had a traditionally unnaturally large nose, and his fingernails were nearly the same length. I only knew him for a short time, less than a week. He was traveling down through my neighborhood trying to sell his best friend and lifelong companion. A big fat french speaking cow - who I can only assume by some wickedly unfortunate twist of fate had been named of all things 'Deja Moo.' I never saw Freddy Fork Fingers talk, giggle or even sneeze - in fact the story is very sad. Parking his french speaking cow by a city park with a little man made lake. Freddy decided to rest himself under a shady juniper tree and take off his stilletos for a nap. When out of nowhere a militant frenchman of ill favor appeared from nowhere. He was dressed as a bad looking like a junkie reject from Circe de Solei. But in fact was a devilish and terrible Mime. Who without saying a word slit Freddys throat, stole his stillettos, chopped off Freddys head and feets, then mounted poor innocent Deja Moo bareback, blew Freddys corpse a kiss of death...and like all evil Mimes, waved one gloved hand high while spaking his gettaway cow hard to make haste.

      Freddy was AWOL from the Foreign Leigion, and what remained of his body was desecrated by Interpol for no apparent reason.

      Deja Moo was found hog tied outside of an adult movie theatre in Paris two nights later, she had been milked, assaulted with a chocolate pudding pop, the local police had never seen anything like this ever before, especially done to a cow.

      And the allegedly troll murdering Mime is still out there someplace conducting business as usual, possibly wearing stolen stillettos and drinking chocolate milk.

      I think I have made my point clear.

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image74
        TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        This may be the best forum post I've ever read. *cracking up*

      2. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        very funny, creative, interesting - but no you haven't made your point clear, what is your point ?   big_smile

      3. mega1 profile image80
        mega1posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        clear as mud, man!   why do chocolate pudding pops sound especially good to me right now?

      4. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        This is great blake4d - creative...I am swearing off chocolate pudding pops now - forver. lol

        I'm going to browse for which hub you were talking about quite a few posts back.

    13. TheGlassSpider profile image74
      TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago

      I think that's probably part of the point. Especially given the topic.

    14. susanlang profile image56
      susanlangposted 7 years ago

      There are some individuals out there who don't just enjoy winding up people on newsgroups and bulletin boards - it's their sad lifestyle choice! Using every known disruptive trick in the book, these troublesome types don't go out to the pub, meet members of the opposite sex or enjoy life. They spend their time hunched over their computers trolling.
      Here's how they work:

      INTRODUCTION

      The object of this post is to bring together a definitive document to cover the phenomena of the Usenet Troll. To many a troll is nothing more than an annoying method of defeating the killfile whereas to the heavily killfiled, trolling can be a virtual Godsend.

      What I want this document to focus on is how to create entertaining trolls. I have drawn on the expertise of the writer's of some of Usenet's finest and best remembered trolls. Trolls are for fun. The object of recreational trolling is to sit back and laugh at all those gullible idiots that will believe *anything*.

      Section 1: What Is A Troll?

      The WWW gives this as a definition:

      troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.

      The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll.

      If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.

    15. blake4d profile image73
      blake4dposted 7 years ago

      Freddy! Is it really you?
      I thought you were dead!!!!

    16. blake4d profile image73
      blake4dposted 7 years ago

      You know they killed your cow right?

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Not even close to trolling yet. A bit more sarcasm or name calling might do it, but you have started from the wrong place you gotta go to a serious thread where a few guys are really debating something you don't understand and butt in big_smile

        If we have to teach you to be a troll then you are not cut out for it big_smile big_smile

    17. susanlang profile image56
      susanlangposted 7 years ago

      Alter Poet, I just checked your profile, some good reads you have there. I'll be back to read more smile now don't troll me. wink

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I don't have it in me to troll, just don't have the figure for it .big_smile

        How could I write love poems with the bitter mind of a troll?

        1. susanlang profile image56
          susanlangposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          lol, you dont have a troll's figure, well then, that makes two of us smile And I love your poems indeed. smile

    18. blake4d profile image73
      blake4dposted 7 years ago

      Freddy!
      What have you done with Freddy....
      (gasps,tears, whimpering sounds)

      It shouldn't have happened to a Troll....

    19. TheGlassSpider profile image74
      TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago

      *holding a hand to her ear* "...ormhole."

      "What? A wormhole?"

      "Yes, ma'am - it looks like you've wandered into one."

      "Just my luck"

      "...'ll have to bew...of the boot..."

      "What the hell are you talking about? Hello...hello!?"

      *walks off toward the bridge* twilight zone, man.

    20. profile image0
      cosetteposted 7 years ago

      then there's the scariest troll imaginable...the undead.

      flesh-eating zombies with self-replicating on autopilot yikes

      http://i40.tinypic.com/206lp4k.jpg

      alas, there is no hope for trolls of this nature.

      perhaps someone will invent zombie elixir one day and the internet will be forever free of such hideous creatures.

      well, one can dream anyway...

    21. blake4d profile image73
      blake4dposted 7 years ago

      "Deja Moo?"

    22. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 7 years ago

      Trolls can bring out the worst in people and sometimes it is very revealing.

      1. susanlang profile image56
        susanlangposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I have to agree with you on that, Will.  I love it!  smile  wink

      2. EmpressFelicity profile image77
        EmpressFelicityposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        "Bring out the worst" - do you mean in the troll, or in the person who's talking to the troll?

    23. susanlang profile image56
      susanlangposted 7 years ago

      Empress, I think Will is tied up right now.

    24. susanlang profile image56
      susanlangposted 7 years ago

      And I don't mean with a rope. wink

    25. susanlang profile image56
      susanlangposted 7 years ago

      Ok, this topic is now dead! (clapping)

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I don't think so !  it will not be dead until all the trolls are 'outed' !  I notice they did not seem to get into this thread earlier  I can't believe they were all in their little cots !

    26. susanlang profile image56
      susanlangposted 7 years ago

      Little cots.. Poet? Or was it sleeping bags?

    27. ceciliabeltran profile image78
      ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago

      I think trolls need a life, ya know. they don't know how to get positive attention so they...well try to get it anyway they can. it's adult tantrum.

      1. susanlang profile image56
        susanlangposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I agree cecil... it's tantrum! Your so right!

     
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