Picking on others

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Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years ago
This week I've heard from two Hubbers that are thinking of leaving Hub.The reason is being picked-on or lied about. Why the hell does anyone here have the need to do this?

Some of you know who you are, and you will probably write in saying; this is terrible. Please write in if you are or aren't one of them, don't be afraid.

Some people are really hurt by your words; does that make you happy? If you want to pick on someone, pick-on me. I can take whatever comes my way.

You people hide behind your fake identity and spew your hate. You should be very proud of yourselves. I would be willing to bet you would never do this face to face.
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  Deanna419posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm pretty new here, but just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. It really is sad that grown people still feel the need to "pick" on others. I've come to the realization that those who pick or tease others are only doing it to make themselves feel better. People do not realize how much their words can hurt someone else. I would just try to ignore it, or laugh at it.
  
  It's a shame that childish people had to chase others away. I hope they feel better about themselves now!!
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  DjBryleposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you Deanna... whne people pick on you and you get devasteted, they will feel so happy and enjoy doing it. While in reality, people and things affect us the way we choose them to... and besides, no one can piss us off without our consent. Laugh at it... lol! Cheers!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It won't get to me, I would just like to meet the coward face to face!
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  DjBryleposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That would be nice... but I wonder if he would reveal himself. It is obvious that he might feel lesser than you that's why he tries to put you down.
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  Rafiniposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  are you kidding? people who behave like this are Worse in person!! (I know, I've had plenty of experience being a victim of this kidn of behaviors!!)
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  DjBryleposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's so true... they do that because they feel insecure and they have to put others down to look like they are better....
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  Rafiniposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and the crazy thing is, you would think I would've learned by now not to be so sensitive!! lol
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Raf, I have never taken it face to face!
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well certainly most hubbers here who are the alleged bullies would never say mean or deragatory things to a person face to face, as they don't have to since they can hide behind the safety of talking smack on the pc without seeing the other person get hurt. thus, allowing them to have an unfazed concience, AND to never have to suffer a butt whooping by the person they insult.
  
  i know from my own personal experiences here, that some hubbers are truly MORE equal here than others. and i do know that it doesn't really take much to be hated on hubpages over a simple misunderstanding. i could site a couple incidences of this, but i won't since i honestly don't feel like starting any crap with anyone here over crap that happened weeks and months ago. lol.
  
  however, i will say this. as one hubber once told me, some people like to dip into the wine too much and take whatever happens in forums as a reality versus what it actually is. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if more than half the people on this site are actually preteens and teenagers, as most people here act like them. not that im naming any individuals specifically, but they know who they are. hell, anyone here could lie and pretend to be a 50 year old woman, when they're really a 9 year old boy playing a prank on us all. the reality is, you don't know. that's why there's only a few people here i ever take seriously, as i know they've never lied to me about who they were and i never lied to them. everyone else, i'll listen, but it doesn't mean i believe what you just said.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Steve, I don't care about wine. I want to feel their face with my fist.
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wow, your almost as funny as mr. rogers. (by the way, i find him boring as sin).
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think it's pretty rotten that people do this, but it's going to happen wherever there are those who have a lot of time to do nothing. maybe their life is a mess, so they enjoy spending time hurting or manipulating others. sometimes the best thing to do is sign off and walk away from the computer and remember the real world!
  I don't take anything too seriously online when it comes to relationships. I'm nice most of the time unless someone is being a jerk. then I might say something, but in the end, does it really matter? love the one you can reach out and touch. they matter the most.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. Besides, we are all adults here, time to stop taking everything so personally. I certainly don't take anything on here seriously. I notice most of the "bullies" tend to hide behind sock puppet accounts.
  
  And I should add that picking on others does not fall under the category of disagreeing with them.
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  LegendaryHeroposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How do people know that someone's a sock puppet?
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  Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some people who have been here for awhile just kind of know. When it comes to someone who doesn't "just kind of know" (from previous "doings" on the forum), some "vibes" are when someone is pretty new to HubPages, doesn't have much of a profile (or doesn't have one that looks like there's any "depth" to it), and usually doesn't have many (if any) Hubs. Some people put a little more effort into their "sock puppet", so it isn't always easy to tell. Generally, they pretty much look like they're just on HubPages to fool around, argue on the forums, and do very little writing.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i do agree with you to some extent. however, i would like to point out from personal experience not all bullies on here are sock puppet accounts. as some of them that I met are actually very prestigious hubbers here, that are frankly opportunists if you ask me. i won't say names nor am i saying it's anyone here. however, i just would like to point out that not all the bullies on hubpages were sock puppets, as I can tell you from my experiences here.
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you on this, not all the rudeness comes from sock puppets. A newbie was on here once, months ago, asking for hub advice, and one of the "Hubpages Elite" came on with a sarcastic comment.
  
  I spoke up about that comment, and got mocked by the original "Elitest", and then another one...so much for my good intentions...
  
  Not a good example to set, that's for sure...
  
  This topic has been bothering my husband and I so much that we both ended up writing hubs about it recently.
  
  Tammy
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wow, im terribly sorry that happened to you. i hope you and your husband are doing okay now then. I do agree with you it's not a great example to set for other hubbers that are just joining us. after all, it wouldn't surprise me if that's the reason forums aren't as active as they used to be, as many of them read what goes on here, then decide to stay away. rather than talk to us. at least my theory anyway.
  
  plus, it seems that most elitist hubbers will often jump onto whatever accusations and blame someone before knowing all the facts, with proof and/or truth of any kind be damned. like a few months ago some guy decided to pull a practical joke another hubber, and he purposely told EVERYONE else on hubpages what he was doing except her. however, because i was caught in forums telling the guy that his little joke was a bad idea, everyone including the people who knew i was innocent jumped in and claimed i was not only in on the whole joke, but i planned it as well. granted, i should've kept my conversation with the hubber through e-mails, but still what really ticks me off is two things. one nobody even bothered to want to hear my side of the story. secondly, even when i did explain it, one of the elite hubbers here had the audacity saying i was in on it because i didn't try to stop the prank since i knew about it. which is funny because by his own admission he knew about it too, but choose to do NOTHING about it. therefore, logic would dictate he was just as responsible as me, but nobody ever blamed him.
  
  however, this is another reason why i had to open up a forum to tell people that i wasn't a sock puppet when another hubber accused me without any sort of proof. therefore, i had to nip it in the butt before it got out of hand like that other incident. as we all know that MOST people here jump to conclusions with reality and proof be damned!
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely, and well said.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Reb, I don't know why Hub is etting these people drive some of their most popular Hubbers away. All that accomplishes is a loss of revenue for the site.
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  whiteorchidsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Harvey,
  I couldn't agree with you more being rude is unacceptable I have experienced it firsthand but I guess what we can do is move forward, never look back and ignore the ones who harm. Sometimes we don't always understand it but those of us who are strong keep moving along and forgive those who cause pain. I am answering through my second and only account. AEvans
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Two days after I posted this I was notified by Hub, an article of mine was being removed because it didn't meet their standards. I have written articles like this before, with no problem.
  
  Could this be a coincidence, or maybe someone doesn't like to see a good "SEX" story. There was no cursing, nude pictures, description of body parts, everything was basically left for your imagination. Oh, I did mention kissing!
  
  This was very strange after writing over 120 Hubs.
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Ohmaposted 15 years ago
I am sad at the number of Hubbers who have left recently.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ohma,
  
  I should have titled this, Picking on other Hubbers.
  
  It seems like the ones doing this are women that gang up on a womman; how sad.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know anything about that one. Some women have made it clear they don't like me. I don't really care. Nobody's ganged up on me, and I haven't seen that done to anyone else.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some men might consider this one for the fantasy list ...
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yoshi,
  
  This is nothing to get excited about.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, but I tried to add some humor to a topic that saddens many of us.
  
  To be truthful, reporting this stuff in a forum is like taking your child to school and announcing to the students they are being bullied. While there are many who will be sensitive to the issue, not one of the kids will have the power to make it stop.
  
  To make the nonsense end these things must be reported up the ladder where staff can deal with them. Placing them in a public forum does nothing more than villify the staff in what appears to be a plea for them to finally take action. However, if the staff is made unaware of an issue then they have no means to deal with it.
  
  It's kinda like going over their heads and saying they aren't doing the job ... when in fact they aren't being made aware of the job needing to be done.
  
  The staff can't read every single message on these forums and determine what is or isn't offensive. If you deem otherwise, then I ask that you spend one day reading every message on this forum and tell me later the reason you find yourself unable to read and interpret every one.
  
  It's as simple as the person being offended contacting the staff for a resolution, but we often find ourselves not doing so because we fear the retribution that will come from those we speak of.
  
  It's a forum ... there won't be any physical retribution. And for that reason, we need not feel bullied into not reporting things, to the point that it makes us want to leave.
  
  And on the other side of the fence, we should also not be so sensitive that we look for trouble and report anything that might seem offensive.
  
  If you want the problem solved, write the staff ... not the members ... as we are powerless to change that which occurs on this forum. And if they will do nothing to resolve the issue, then a person could leave in good consciousness, knowing they tried to rectify the issue.
  
  You won't find Utopia in any forum, but you can at least hold the expectation that a forum be somewhat civil ...
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yoshi, I didn't say something. They make up lies about people, and in my case report your Hub. Hub has removed articles by all of us. Can you imagine an attack on anyones child?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pan,
  
  I have been told personally by these people, and I do not think they are lying. They don't want me to say the names of these people.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Harvey, I didn't mean to sound as though I was casting doubt on it. I know it's true people get bored or are just petty and play mean games, anyone can see that happens here as well, if they pay attention.
  
  What I said came out wrong, due to something else that was going on that I had just commented on in another thread. I didn't mean to sound like I disbelieved, just that I had no info. on that one.
  
  It may be wise to be very careful about what personality types you admit to your circle of friends. (You being in general, not you).
  
  Kind of disgusted by the whole thing, and thinking it might be a good idea to create myself a new user ID to write hubs under. Some people are pathetically childish.
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TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago
Hmmm....picking on others is uncalled for. I've certainly never pursued any anger or irritation with another hubber. Sometimes I do unleash sarcasm over what I perceive as another person's stupidity in an unworthy way on the forums. I've been trying to work on that.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The,
  
  What you have done is fine. Just know there are Hubbers you have written with that have done this. I wish I could give name, but I cannot say a thing until I receive permission.
  
  Many of these things you won't see, they are sent personally.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Harvey,
  
  Apparently so...I see so little of what goes on around here...even though I look at things...lol. Please, feel free to all me Spider.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Spider, Maybe I'm not up to date, I don't understand.
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Originposted 15 years ago
Does this take place on the forum or something? I haven't seen anything at all in my whole time here. It's quite possible that I live in a bubble or something, or maybe I don't do enough hub cruising or something.
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  Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Origin, I don't think it's a big, widespread, thing. It looks to me (but I live in something of a bubble myself - although I do come out and look around) as if isolated situations crop up (but can get nastier than anyone might assume they would). It can start in the forum, on someone's Hub, or with one person reporting another - that type of thing. Then you get people supporting other people (often justifiably), and the snowball grows. Whenever there are a lot of people in any "mix" (companies, schools, shopping malls) this kind of stuff can crop up.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's exactly it. Take banning, for instance - it doesn't happen that often, but because people open multiple long threads getting up in arms about each one, it seems much worse than it is.
  
  Being attacked is horrible for the person being targeted (been there), but in most cases it doesn't last - and if you can resist the urge to give up and walk away for a few weeks, you get over the hump and get back to Hubbing. Once again, I think other people can make it worse by trumpeting it all over the forums - often, these trolls are doing it for attention-seeking, so you're giving them exactly what they want.
  
  If things get to the point where direct personal attacks are being launched, you can report the post or comment. If HubPages does nothing and you have the evidence of someone calling you a f%%&^&*#@ c@#$%^, then all you have to do is open a thread quoting it, and you'd have every Hubber behind you, no matter how "prestigious" the culprit is.
  
  I agree, though, that it's possible for someone to be very nasty without actually making a direct insult.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marissa, In the old days ............................................
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cupid51posted 15 years ago
I am a new member of hubpages. But I agree with Harvey Stelman that sometimes people become rude to others in the forum. This is a big community and members are from different corners of the world. Some of them might not have English as their first language, some might still not been acquainted with the customs of this community. But all of them are part of this big family. Although I found that most of the elder members are very friendly and cooperative, still I request all family members of HP to be patient, and affectionate to the younger members.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  cupid, That wasn't the case, but I appreciate the thought.
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dave272727posted 15 years ago
It is all about status. High school games played out through a professional website. Harvey I know some of who you speak of, it irritates me that these people or sock puppets or whoever or whatever they are can get away with this crap.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WHOA! It's Dave! I've missed you! Where've you been...are you okay? Glad to see you here.
  
  Sorry for the hi-jack.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  dave, Can we take them behind the shed?
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Disturbiaposted 15 years ago
I've had a few people now and again say rude things about me or mock me because they may not agree with something I've said. It happens especially in the religious forums because I've become very outspoken about the same old arguments that get repeatedly rehashed and recycled in there. Also, I don't agree with censorship and I've been raked over the coals on that one too. But I let it roll off my back because I know they are just trying to get me upset. I don't give them the satisfaction of an argument. Everybody has the right to their opinion and nobody else has to agree with mine. I don't care enough about what they all think to get upset about it anyway. As far as people leaving for being cyber bullied, well that is a sad state of affairs indeed. I say, make the bullies leave.
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  Rafiniposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ~~~~I say, make the bullies leave.~~~~
  
  You're right, except they can come right back as someone else and start all over again even if they have to go to the extreme of getting a new IP address. (right, IP?)
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  Disturbiaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I guess some people just have too much time on their hands and nothing better to do. I feel sorry for them.
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  Rafiniposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  agreed.
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  frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I wouldn't waste time feeling anything for someone that's mean for the sake of it. Their behaviour is a choice, nothing to do with too much or too little time.
  
  They know exactly what they're doing.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, I know, I am flirting with a pretty froggy
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  GeneriqueMediaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh Misha, you and the ladies.
  
  I think frogdropping is right, though.
  
  Just ignore the unsavory ones. Remember, you can pick your nose, you can even pick your friends, you just can't pick your friends nose.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dis, But they never said anything about your child, o had your Hub pulled. Hub has to do something about this.
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  GeneriqueMediaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fortunately, I'm generally the pariah in a social situation.
  
  I use this to my advantage, and if worse gets to worse I'll use my crazy eyes!
  
  I agree HP could be more consistent with getting rid of trolls, and I think they do well for the most part. The people who still engage in the community, and wish to write and make money.....need to sometimes remember to be better adults.
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goldenpathposted 15 years ago
True, it is an impairment on communication and relationships when these things happen. I think that to various degrees it is a discipline inadequacy. Self discipline that is. As we sit here in front of the computer, most of us alone as well, we tend to be more alert of the "my space." That is when we feel most vulnerable as well as most in control. Through this we may tend to expand that space of perceived "control" to other avenues such as the internet. It's an easy platform to do so. Without the dignity of facing someone face to face we are able to, with our words cut down, destroy, gang up on and even uplift another for very few other reasons than to have an affect on someone out there - to extend control whether resulting in happiness or gloom regardless.

Let it roll of the back when being criticized? Sure, of course! However, the damage is really to the one criticizing. Nothing cankers the soul faster than the product of pride - hate. It is grevious that a group of people with a seemingly common interest in writing cannot even be literate enough and intelligent enough as to accept the vast personalities and views just on this platform. Each person's views are valuable. If not to others it is valuable to that person which makes it valuable. We all have the privilege of expressing our views. Yet, in our responses a little more bridaling of passion should be observed. No, we should not take responses too seriously unless your still conscience prompts you to take it as counsel.

It is my hope that we all maintain our own "my area" within our physical walls and homes and to not infringe that space onto the internet that is essentially everyone's space. We do this through self discipline, compassion, tolerance and understanding.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  golden, Have you ever had your Hub pulled after you took the time to write it?
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awareposted 15 years ago
This is very important . this isn't a debate . this isn't a fight. this is suppose to be the exchange of contrary ideas between civil , open minded and tolerant people. this tool this potential is being wasted .we have the power to reach out and interact with the world . and what do we see in every forum and chat room. on the net? childlike behavior. that's what. and im not referring to the good kind.
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  Disturbiaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you, aware, we have here at our fingertips one of the most powerful tools ever invented and it gets especially frustrating for me when something important is being discussed and then I see it being broken down to nothing more than a joke. Of course I understand that no one including myself can be serious all the time, I just think there is a time and place for everything including humor, and maybe even a good argument or two. But name calling and verbal gangbanging don't belong anywhere. I have struggled my whole life trying to control my impulsive behavior and very often I say way more than I should and always before I've thought about it, but at least it is an honest reaction and not just something I have purposfully said to offend or to hurt anyone else.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  aware, Supposed is a very large word.
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rebekahELLEposted 15 years ago
in the time I have been here, there have been a few times maddie has come into a thread and said, if someone is bothering you to the point of harassment, to contact her if if happens in the forum or through HP mail. to keep bringing it up in forums only adds fuel to those who are playing the game.

even some of these controversial threads are only opened to incite, not for real discussion and debate, which would be nice at times. to me, those are a waste of time.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  reb, If opened to incite, don't reply.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
When you start an entire thread to tell people you are not a sockpuppet you are doing exactly what those who accused you want you to do. I'd just ignore their childish games.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yeah, i know, but i didn't want to risk having all my friends here turn on me again like last time over a simple misunderstanding. that's why i did it out of fear mostly, as most hubbers will jump onto false accusations rather quick!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I still think it's a very small percentage on the forum that act that way.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you'll be very surprised trust me. at least, that's been my experience on here thus far. however, you've been on here way longer than me, so you know better than i would. im just basing my claim off of my own experiences here.
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know the incident you speak about, since I haven't been on here a lot lately, but I'm sorry, too, about what you went through--I can't imagine how tough that must have been.
  
  If more folks would just remember that there really are PEOPLE on this, and other, forums, with real human emotions, this place would be a whole lot nicer to participate in...
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i agree. i think if more people remembered that on here, then i'll bet that forums would be just as active as before. anyway, it's very nice to meet you though.
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice to meet you, too!
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  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It depends which forums you follow. UW is like me - she mainly sticks to the Hub-related threads answering newbies' questions. We both miss a lot of the squabbling that goes on down the kiddies' end of the pool.
  
  Like I said, in the 'old days', each forum had its own "latest posts" so if you weren't interested in (say) the religious forum threads, you never saw them. These days, the contentious threads are so "in your face" that even people who wouldn't normally care get sucked in.
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  Jane@CMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "The kiddies' end of the pool" ROFL - nice one Marissa - love it!
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The bottom line is, why do we even HAVE to be subjected to this madness?
  
  Why, when it is SO easy to be tactful when speaking, or typing, do others choose to be spiteful?
  
  The forum I was on the day I was taunted by two senior hubbers was a hub-related thread...so it does spread to more than just the kiddies' end...
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Un, Some people are new here or young. It's better to learn this way.
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habeeposted 15 years ago
I like everyone on HP - even those with whom I debate. I enjoy a good debate, but I always refrain from name calling. I like to keep it "above the belt," so to speak. Some hubbers get WAY too worked up over some threads, especially the ones about religion and politics. Most of the other forums are pretty tame and friendly, however.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bully.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that i can't help but love
  
  sorry for the interruption.
  
  *regular scheduling resumes*
  
  Thanks for the I think important thread Harvey.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kim, I know you love me no matter what I say.
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  getmybackposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, that's what you said to me too.
  
  Are you sarcastically picking on me Harvey?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  habee, I'm not even talking about an answer on a Forum.
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  MrDSpadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ms. kimberlyrics i followed you to say this bully's are nothing but girly men. Who I've haven't terminated yet, so stop bullying and you know who you are. Before i find you, girly man.
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susanlangposted 15 years ago
Habee speaks the truth.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sue, It's easy to speak the truth, I'm sure you understand.
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Stevennix2001posted 15 years ago
personally, if you ask me, i think forums should be disbanned and hubpages should replace it with various chatrooms on different topics. you know similar to how yahoo, msn, aol and others have messenger. maybe that's what hubpages should do, so that way if a hubber does harass someone, then you can simply click ignore and they won't be able to bother you. in my mind at least, that would be the most ideal solution to all of this, as forums are practically chat rooms anyway. however, i doubt seriously hubpages will do it though.
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Disbanned? Care to translate to plain English for ESL speaker?
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i mean exactly that. just get rid of forums here completely. then replace it with virtual chatrooms like yahoo, msn, and aol have where once you download messenger, you can enter any chatroom you want on various topics to talk to people. unlike here, the conversations aren't recorded in print, AND you can click ignore on any user you deem rude. just my thoughts on it anyway.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look it up in a dictionary
  
  Oh wait, now I am picking on you, right?
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  wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  It's like a regional usage of the word, not so much a misspelling.
  
  You say soda, I say pop.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Don't you have a single standard of written language? You are killing me guys
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  Beth100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure we do. It's Canadian English!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Beth
  
  For some reason I thought we were talking mostly American here, yet I am sure things could have changed since my last visit
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  wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Be quiet and eat your sammich.
  
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wyan, You must be from Chicago!
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  Beth100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Misha!!! Been missing you...not the same without you around!
  
  @ Steven -- as for disabling the forums, I disagree. Chat rooms are not the answer, as you can have disagreements and bullying happening in them too. Also, there's a tendancy for users to only chat with certain people, and not others. This, in a community, is not healthy.
  
  I remember which incident that you spoke about earlier, and it was not only you who was given the accusations. Several hubbers were incriminated, but we forgot the one that was actually hurt. She was "forgotten" throughout the whole incident. (Just had to speak my mind on that one...)
  
  There will always be ones out there who like to bully and accuse others of wrongful doings while hiding behind a mask. That will never go away. It's life.
  
  The choice to fall into that trap is in your own hands. Ignore it or join in. We're all suppose to be adults (despite the childish behavior) so the decision can be made with clarity if one chooses.
  
  I've seen many good hubbers leave over the past year (well, almost) and I've seen the forums change. It should never result in writers leaving because of a sock puppet or someone who's a bully.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i understand that beth to be honest with you. however, i just mentioned it as an example of how i know how hubpages can be sometimes. that's all. however, you are right. many people were hurt during that alleged incident as well. however, i do think it's kind of funny on how hubpages people tend to conduct themselves, as that's all i was trying to point out.
  
  as i said earlier, some hubbers are more equal than others. if you want to know what i mean by that misha if you read this, then watch the original movie, "Planet of the Apes" starring Charleton Heston. Once you watch that film, you'll know exactly what my thoughts are about the forums here and what i mean.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, if you want to understand it, you better READ the original BOOK, Animal Farm by James Orwell
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  touche. i see your certainly a funny guy there, huh?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think I play quite a few roles here, and the funny guy is definitely not the last one
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  really? i guess someone should petition for you to win the next academy award then.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Considering the current level of popularity of Hubpages I would not be surprised
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh by the way, i just one question. when you say your funny. are we talking about humor or your looks here? sorry, but you got to admit you left yourself open for that one.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess I did not care about this opening since nobody really used it on me since I graduated from elementary
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  when was that? during the stone ages?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do I look THAT old?
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  idk, let me get a good look at ya under this light over here. which happens to be shining over a red x mark.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  was that supposed to be funny? look, i have no quarrel with you misha, nor do i want any trouble from anyone here.
  
  i was merely offering a suggestion on what i think hubpages should do. you don't have to agree with me, but i would appreciate it if you kept your opinions to yourself, if you can't say anything nice or contructive to it. thank you.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it was funny. I bet quite a few people smiled at it.
  
  And I have no quarrel with you either, yet if you can't stand the heat you better stay away from the kitchen
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol. i couldn't agree more, and believe me im not that sensitive as you seem to assume i am. no, i just hate false accusations that's all. it's one thing if i actually am guilty of something. however, if im falsely accused of anything, then that's when you see me panick. it's a nasty habit of mine, but i don't take kindly to rumors or accusations with no justification.
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  wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Disbanded -
  break it up.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah well, writers that don't know any stinkin' spellin'... Oh... Thanks Jen
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RecoverTodayposted 15 years ago
I have seen various hubbers attack others bold and blatantly in a way that is degrading and demoralizing. I sat back and watched, objectively, while the very one's who attacked some were accusing the 'some' of doing it when I saw no evidence that the 'some' were hateful. None. I saw 'some' respond with dignity and truth, yet the 'various hubbers' would only spew more ridicule and taunting. This is what I observed without commenting, on the outside, looking in. I have seen it first hand.
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Jane@CMposted 15 years ago
Misha - good to see you!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Jane - glad to see you too
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Beth100posted 15 years ago
When people type in words and construct sentences, there's an important element in communication that is lost. What just transpired between Misha and Steven is a perfect example of how things can quickly go awry in any forum or chat room.

Misha's intention was humor. Steven received the statement as an attack and responds appropriately for his feelings. Misha explains that it was merely a jab at humor.

Who's right? Both. Who's wrong? Both. Who's at fault? Neither.

It's the simple age of technology whereby "typed" or "keyed" words and phrases lose the vocal and body language that would indicate how that line is being delivered. This is why I believe that no matter how the format is changed, this will always happen.

Sure, some are definitely hostile, without a doubt. But simple statements can be misconstrued and the situation can spiral out of control very quickly.
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
You know what guys it doesn't matter who wants to bully me or throw crap at me, nothing, and I mean nothing any-one could say would ever make me leave this place. I look beyond words I know not to be true.
I am Xena warrior, and I mark my ground with my sword upon this day.

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  Beth100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Always daring of you BP!
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Beth, yes I am Xena, stronger than an a ox, peace-maker, and I live by what I know to be true. Yahoooo!!!!!
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  Beth100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey BP! That's good, cause I'm just a cowgirl. There isn't a bronc I can't ride and tame.
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Woo hoo together we shall ride to victory in the heart of Spain.
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  Beth100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Morning Deb
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good morning Mish my handsome partner in fighting crime in the land of the zombies.
  Remember this ROFL!!!!
  
  http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/K9Xo7CAbicGWwae7
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And not only this, I remember the other one... blurry a bit though - but I think I do
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes the one that cannot be shown til after midnight.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Noooooooo!!!!!!!!! Don't post it!!!!!!! I just got out of rehab with Tiger Woods!
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  Beth100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hahah looking it up right now Robin Hood. LMAO!!!
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be a bringin' pics of Xena into the discussion or mommy will ban me from the forums for sure! ROFL!
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aye aye my demenour dashing Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves
  
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habeeposted 15 years ago
Misha! Good to see you!

Bp, my friend, I ain't afeared, either, cuz I'm...

Holle, Celtic warrior princess!!!!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Habee,
  
  Back at yea gal
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Woo hoo I knew there was something familiar about you, Habee. Wow we got a lot of female warriors happening here. United we stand.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Blondie, With a little surgery I can stand with you!
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
Woo hoo found it. The Chippendale dancers of Hubpages. They make raunchy seem mild.
You will recognize Misha, Trooper amongst other ripped men.
This is for the ladies woo hoo.

http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/KaW3V7GFBpiQd34O
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
LOL Nooo, I completely forgot about this one - I should have been totally wasted

I like the one with the chainsaw and your naked butt much better
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habeeposted 15 years ago
I love Jibjab! I have one somewhere starring my hubby and Randy Godwin as elves. Wow, Misha! Great bod!
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
Hahah naked butt chain-saw now I am with you

http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/ctzXR6QbvmOkYVWy
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Yeah! You see how wasted I was - I was not even appear on the screen
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haha perhaps you were drugged, oh my!!!!!!
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
umm, yeah, you drugged me all the way to the bed, I remember
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh you remember that bit haha.
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habeeposted 15 years ago
BP, did you give him a physical??
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As a matter of fact I did, he never has been quite the same.
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kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years ago
just a random photo, no purpose or meaning whatesoever

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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lucky basterd!
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I said hands off, but the hands didn't listen to a word I said.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well i can see why.
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haha Steven I thought I had seen your hands some-where before.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  reallY? what's that supposed to mean?
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In that pic from Kimberley on the bazookas.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  nah, i think you got me confused with king larry. you and i both know how much of a sexual deviant he is. besides, i'd be too nervous to do that myself for obvious reasons. lol.
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hail King Larry lol.
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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol. yeah, lucky basterd! lol.
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  someone call me?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kim, I though I started a serious thread; why did you have to show my hands?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kim, When did you get that bra?
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Harvey got yesterday, was smart got it bullet proof and I feel constantly like I'm been fondled, better than any human I've known. Got it on sale too
  
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  logic,commonsenseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You haven't been fondled by my big hands!
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habeeposted 15 years ago
Love this bra, but I'd need one with Shrek-size hands - forged by a smithy!
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I need one with ogre sized hands too.
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  logic,commonsenseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They are coming for you!
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kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years ago
let's all together make love not war

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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Here here I say amen to this one, great for your health too.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kim, Sometimes love is war.
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kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years ago
Now I'm scared

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  Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why you say that?
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habeeposted 15 years ago
You guys are still up, too! I need to go to bed. It's almost 5 am here!
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topstuffposted 15 years ago
Misha you look fresh.
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ralwusposted 15 years ago
Hello Misha my anarchist, commie Russian friend. Good to see you in the fray again.

To Steven, this is Misha, he is a good guy and has learned his English here mostly, I think. He is still trying to decipher our language, but he means well and he is a stand-up guy, well loved and respected here. He can be funny and quite engaging and will not back down from an argument. Pretty smart for a Russian. And BP is Russian as well, though she claims Australia as home. Good to see you all, and just ignore those who stir up shiit.
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Will Apseposted 15 years ago
I don't understand how anyone can feel picked on. This is cyberspace. Nothing is real. What you make of what is happening is entirely down to you, your mood and what happened you from the moment you popped out your mothers womb to the moment you hit period on your last post.
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "This is cyberspace. Nothing is real."
  
  See, that's the thing...it IS real. You're a real person, stating your opinion, I am a real person, stating mine.
  
  Real people also say mean and cruel things, and real people are the targets for those comments.
  
  Just because something is typed, and on the internet, does NOT make it not real.
  
  I hope my rambling makes some sense...
  
  Tammy
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  EmpressFelicityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It does make sense, actually.
  
  I do think that some people here on HP *are* a bit too sensitive and would benefit from donning some metaphorical protective clothing.
  
  BUT to simply airily wave one's hand and say "This isn't real, it's the Internet - just words on a screen!" is a bit disingenuous.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Will, Have you had a child attacked here?
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ralwusposted 15 years ago
It is real enough that some have committed suicide over it and others have gone to jail. That my friends is reality. Bullying is real and hurtful. I rest my case. Think what you will.
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie--You've said in a few strong words what I've been trying to say in many posts...thank you.
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Daniel Carterposted 15 years ago
As I recall, there was a mom who posed as a teenager on MySpace, who taunted and cyberabused another teenaged girl until she committed suicide. That was very real. And the mother was found out and was prosecuted for murder.

That's how real cyberspace is. It reflects life as it truly is. There are charlatans, deceivers, imposters, thieves and murders and far worse in real daily life, just as there are on the internet. Nothing is has changed from reality in cyberspace. It's just that far more people are deluded that somehow they can hide easier, and therefore, not have to be responsible for what they do and say on the internet.

However, there are still yet many who are responsible as to how they represent themselves in cyberspace, and they do so honorably. But again, it's a reflection of what we see in daily life.
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I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 15 years ago
I like to pick on nekkid men who bask in the grass LOLzzz
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  ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL pick away my lovely. hahaah I do so love it.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ralwus - yep, it was a 1959 Olds 88 - and it was actually orange and creme color - but before that she always had black cars - I knew someone would find that mistake! So I corrected that - just took the fins out of the story. Now, you're probably gonna tell me they didn't make black oldsmobiles those years - but she had it special ordered, right?
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  GeneralHowitzerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that is a good idea invictus nyahahaha.... Hey ralwus as the cliche goes' if they'll rape you enjoy it nyahahahaha....
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ralwusposted 15 years ago
Hi Tammy. How ya doin'? Well, I sometimes am a man of few words, in this case, it was easy. You just had a brain fart or you too would have remembered these things.
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm doing great, Charlie, thanks for asking!
  
  Brain fart, lol, yeah, I seem to have a permanent brain fart when it comes to short, to the point, posts...
  
  Emotions tend to overrule my fingers when I type...
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ralwusposted 15 years ago
think fast, type slow. LOL much love cuz. I got to git. xox
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brandyBachmannposted 15 years ago
People like to "troll" around in the internet, trying to infect others with their pessimism and hate but I never lose hope coz finding 1 good person in the internet far outweighs 100 trolls and this hub just made it easier for me to find em hehe
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poetlorraineposted 15 years ago
lets all be nice, you never know when a fatal earthquake may strike..... anyone else still stranded....... help
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King Larryposted 15 years ago
whats up jerkwads?!? mwahahahahahaha!
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King Larryposted 15 years ago
if its any consolation to any of you meatbags, my life is great! hahahahaha!
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh? so you got a job now, did ya?
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  nah, not really. however i did find this nice big cuban cigar though. (starts smoking it) even better i stole it off a guy when he was sleeping. mwahahahaha
  
  however, im sure i'll find something soon........
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  maybe you could roll drunks for cigars - or, maybe roll cigars for drunks? or roll drunk cigars for a job! or get drunk and smoke cigars? or get a cigar for a drunk? or drink a while, meet some other drunks, and go get rolled?
  
  so how was the cigar?
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or i could fulfill my life long dream of selling bootleg cigars. hahahahahaha
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mega1posted 15 years ago
hey, King! did you come to this thread because you thought this was where you could pick on people???

me too!
MUWAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAA moo?
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  damn,is it that obvious?
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you're giving it your best shot, but you're really not that great at the bully stuff, did you know that? sorry I have to tell you this, but its true. I don't think you were cut out to be a troll or bully either!
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  say what now? what you talking about woman? im king larry damn it! lol. besides, im still getting used to my new macho exterior here.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  shhh - people with macho exteriors don't never TALK about their macho exteriors! you can't even act dumb right!
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  says you woman! besides,im more of a bad ass then most meatbags on here!!
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cosetteposted 15 years ago
haha

"meatbags"

hee hee
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  don't you know it baby! (starts chugging down a mug of beer and smokes a huge cuban cigar)
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King Larryposted 15 years ago
the aliens abused harvey.....sexually!!!!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  King,
  
  Funny wannabee! I want to say things I'm not allowed to, you're a lucky guy.
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  whatever helps you sleep at night meatbag. (smokes cuban cigar) besides, if you don't like it...then bite my shiny metal ass!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  King,
  
  Funny name, A King wouldn't hide. That's what this post is about. You must be one of those tiny geeky bully's.
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hide? hide? who's hiding? plus, this is the internet you idiot, don't you know that? if you want to get technical....EVERYONE here is hiding behind the safety of their pc and computer screen avatars. hell, how do i know your even who you claim you are? you could be a 8 year old little school girl using her teacher's picture as an avatar for all i know.
  
  however, since you seem to be so content to be more of an action type of guy. i'll tell you what. you name a time and place where we can meet, and we'll fight. although i think it's fair to warn you.....I don't fight fair! mwahahaha!
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  LegendaryHeroposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ooooo, an internet tough guy...
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  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The toughest type of tough guy. On another thread some pathetic yahoo was blustering about how he'd use his guns against Tea Party demonstrators. It's all just too, too sad, and in the end indicative of exactly the opposite of what they hope.
  
  However, I believe this 'Bender' is just goofing and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Larry,
  
  You sound like a puppy.
  
  Sab,
  
  You are correct about this piece.
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  King Larryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and you sound like that little brat who used to talk smack to me and could talk a good game. he assumed since he was a kid that I wouldn't attack him, but......well i won't go into details as i would hate to get banned from forums. however, i'll let you fill in the rest. as i said in some of my hubs, i may be an a**hole, but I'm an honest a**hole. mwahahahaha!
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Sab Ohposted 15 years ago
oh brother...
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calpol25posted 15 years ago
You know all of us at some time on here have been picked on, intentionally and unintentionally but to completely maliciously pick on some one is wrong.

How ever if some one picks on me, im not gonna leave, it just makes me twice as determined to stay, as it tells me that my message is getting through, peacefully.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  cal,
  
  Stick to what you say!
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heart4thewordposted 15 years ago
It is never fun to be picked on, even jokingly. I too, have seen people take off some of their hubpages, and say they were shutting down, because of negative opinions. I know these hubpages, are a nice place for a persons voice to be heard, but not to be criticized:( Thanks for having a heart:)
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree heart 4 the world, it is our human right to have freedom from oppression, and anyone breaching that is cruel and they should be the ones leaving, not the ones they have bullied!!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  heart,
  
  You're ok.
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RecoverTodayposted 15 years ago
I believe it was a good idea to post this thread. To make more people aware of how their words affect others. Here is one statement that I will hold close to my heart:

"To show disrespect to others by a meaningless, rude, and demeaning tongue lashing sends a blatant message that your feelings are not important at all!"

I hope & pray that a whole new light is shed on the forums and that positive things will come from this.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your right there, there is an old saying "the pen is mightier than the sword"
  and words do hurt a lot more.
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  getmybackposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that's a really good point- support you for sure.
  
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  thank you getmyback, i know its just an old saying but it makes you think before you speak I find lol
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  getmybackposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brilliantly put - I'll follow you anywhere
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Im right behind you too lol
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  getmybackposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Watch your back Kim, you know why.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Recover,
  
  Since I started it, and that was my intention, thanks.
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  RecoverTodayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  You are very welcome, Harvey. I admire your willingness to say what you believe in without the fear of a backlash. Good luck to you!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Recover,
  
  I was always told I have a big mouth, honesty has gotten me in trouble. If I'm honest I can't forget what I said, and it is more difficult to feel bad about it.
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