I don't know for sure, but if Brenda is banned, I'd say it has something to do with the "forgiveness" thread she opened specifically addressed to Mark Knowles...which Norah closed saying it was opened as a personal attack.
I would like to think that that's because it's doubtful that Mark reported the thread. Whereas perhaps someone reported yours sooner. But the whole thing is pure silliness to me. Hehe...but entertaining.
I would've taken it down sooner but I honestly hadn't noticed it. We've been very busy with new moderation tools and our work load has increased recently. Once it was reported, I took it down but it should not have lasted anywhere near as long as it did. I apologize for the appearance of inconsistency in that delay, it wasn't intentional at all.
I see, you have nothing to apologize for, I honestly thought that brenda may have pushed rainbow too far, because my own experiences with brenda I know how easy it is to loose your temper at a nasty response lol
I can only imagine what might have happened. Rainbow Pride started a thread on Stereotypes You Have Heard Re: Gay Community (something like that, anyway) She said she wanted to hear them, as in she was doing research (I think, unless I'm getting threads confused! lol)
You're right here,Izzy. If it's personalized directly toward you, example being if the comment was made using the word "you" with an attack behind it, that would make it personal.
But if it's made as an indirect attack toward, perhaps, a group of un-named people it may not be counted as personal. I would think that if I was gay and an attack was made against gay people in general, I would be offended, for sure!
I had somebody tell me once on the forums "You disgust me with your....blah blah blah". That was 'below the belt', hateful, and not necessary. It was like I was being sneered at.
My brother is gay and I don't attack him....plus, wonder of wonders, do I dare say.....OMG...I'm a Christian. I'm accepting of his choice; but why should I attack? No reason at all. I may not like, dislike, approve, not approve of what some folks do, but so what? I'd rather keep it to myself, ya know? I admit there's been times a critical drop of something has come out of me. It just happens. It happens to all. But dang, I love gay people! What I detest is the spewing of rotten, mean words. It hurts.
Sometimes a person can become overly zealous with their Faith. I'm not saying Brenda is or isn't. I'm saying that her style may be what gets interpreted as attacking. Kinda like reading body language. Regardless, it came across that way, you were hurt, felt attacked, and now left with unsettled feelings. Hang in there!!!
I like people like you, you like me for me not for the label other people give me. that is a special thing and I believe that is the true Christian way, do onto others as you would have them do on to you .
I did not report it because it was not DIRECT. The attacker just said 'I disgusted him/her' and a couple of other things that I erased from my memory. I don't think he/she would have been banned. But it was an attack for my Belief. And I had never said not one contradictory, preachy, hateful thing to that person. It really hurt, though I know my words would have meant nothing to that particular poster. It was like it came from nowhere, a verbal criticism just because of what I believe!
That person hasa bad day every day. It's like the person goes and seeks out somebody to sneer at. I've seen some things said that were SO un-necessary! Just not necessary to get the point across. It's not essential to use hateful rudeness to say something. And to speak it in a jeering manner. I don't respond to that poster.
Were are very much alike here, as Izzy and me do not respond to hateful rudeness either, because their is an old saying up here in northern england "you cant argue with a wall of hate, only rise above it" xx I hope you know what i mean lol
Well put, donotfear. I'd like to add, however, that if anyone says anything that would promote violence towards a group or individual, even if it is not directed at you, would be considered hate speech. For example, if someone were to post "all those who eat their bread butter-side up should be executed," that would be hate speech. I would like to encourage everyone to flag posts that cross the line. We might not always agree with you, but it helps to see a pattern of behavior in those who teeter on the line of what is acceptable.
Just hit the report button and pick a reason for the report. Also, if there are more than one posts that are offensive, I'd suggest reporting the key ones. Sometimes we overlook a post, and while we may disagree that post X is offensive, post Y may certainly fall within our jurisdiction.
So ... um ... is it okay for me to eat my bread butter-side up?
Seriously, I'm with ya on this one. We can all agree with the fact that we will never totally agree on anything, but that disagreement should be kept to the topic and not to the people involved in the discussion.
There's a major difference between saying something disagrees with you and saying *someone* disagrees with you, and I think that's where the line should be drawn in the sand. Also, hate speech of any kind should never be tolerated as it serves to make us all look uneducated and brutish, and this is not the kind of perfume we want to wear when we are asking others from outside Hubpages to be a part of our world by reading our articles.
Inevitably, they read our discussion too, and making ourselves appear intolerant only gives the view that we as a group support such activities and are unworthy of general socialization with the typically kind public.
And finally, I think it prudent that we not (in the future) ask publicly why person A got banned as it can be embarrassing for that person if they actually did something wrong and didn't want anyone to know about it. Or, in this case, if the person mistakenly thought they were banned, causing an unneeded ruckus.
Questions like this are best addressed to the staff, as then they get answered properly, and any confusions (such as this one) get cleared up without any hard feelings or embarrassment.
As a moderator on my own site, I can't begin to tell you what a difficult job it is to do. And when such moderation ceases I can assure you the anarchy causes much more strife.
I applaud the moderators here at Hubpages and see their efforts as a contributing cause to the sites success on the Google ladders.
And so ... if ya play nice the moddies won't bite ya. (but that's not to say I wouldn't bite the moddies - did I say that? Edit this out! Uh oh!)
the moderators are really good I just got the wrong end of the stick i suppose but im glad that i brought it to light because now i have learned about other options in case some attacks me or other maliciously on hub pages lol
Well...we're all only human here, I guess. Sometimes people get too much emotion wrapped up in the forums. Frankly, I"m surprised I haven't been banned for a few of the things I've said to Brenda...I can only assume that means she has never reported me (or, I guess, if she has, that HP staff gave me the benefit of the semantics doubt). LOL Sometimes everyone loses it, I guess.
In light of all the recent banning and drama, and my attention having been called to some recent world events, though...I have been trying to make things even as trivial as my forum posts more peaceful. It is difficult to break the habit of my sarcasm at times. But I am attempting to devote myself to peaceful communication. It's the world's only hope, in a larger sense.
Perhaps they'll each take the time to write some Hubs and get back to the forums in a few days.
She has the right to say what she wants, I guess she stepped over the line. I don't believe it was solely because of her beliefs as she is claiming on her profile. I visited Rainbow Pride's profile, at least she took responsibility and apologized.
Well it's my honest opinion that anyone who removes their hubs after a scuffle in the forum seriously need their head looking at. Hubs earn more money the longer they are up. If you remove them all and post them elsewhere, they will have lost that 'time' factor. I write for money as well as enjoyment. It's starting to trickle in now. I've no intention of running off anywhere, or even I did, my hubs would stay.
You ARE too nice. All you have to do is think up something that irks you about what someone else does/is (and preferably someone who is minding his own business), and start a cringe-worthy thread about the matter. It may take quite awhile before you get yourself banned, but it will happen eventually.
Yes a lot of people's beliefs or viewpoints, when expressed, can be extremely hurtful to those it is directed against. Sometimes it is easier not to express views, but you know, we are all writers here, we all know there are ways to state your disaproval of a practice or a happening without offending people. It is possible! More of us should do it.
I agree izzy I always have tried not to be judgemental, and accept others for who they are regardless of my opinions, but for some people it is difficult not to state their belief or disapproval to people.
I'm like you then! I'm not really opinionated about anything much really, but if I was, or I saw someone else attacking someone, I'd look for ways to post that does not put that person down. There is absolutely no need for some of the nastiness witnessed on forums.
Well I have written my book on being gay and its being published in america how ever my friend here in england runs a company that deals with gay rights and have taken a copy of my book to use as a manual for their training and in return im trained as a lecturer with the police etc for gay issues and hate crimes lol
I found the training interesting and heavy on the head though as you feel tired afterwards and cant be bothered with any thing but it is something i wanted to do because homophobia is really high here in the north of england lol
Well done you!! Good luck with the book, it sounds like it encapsulates all the salient points (hey that sounds good doesn't it!lol) when the gay rights movement want to use it, and they've offered you further training for working with the police etc. I'm inpressed!
Thanks Izzy lol the articles that i put on here in hub pages are from my book its like an A to Z of being gay and telling the hardship (and psychological side) my goodness im using big words at this time of night I think i need banned lol
It's a tough one sometimes, I don't know Brenda, but the few posts I have read from her, she's no dummy, I too was banned and actually dared HP to ban me for 'this' and then copied the same post 10 times - my ban was clearly justified but the person who knew I was lets say not emotionally stable jumped all over me ever so cautiously. Should I have walked yes, I didn't because it slapped me in the face and snapped, in public here. In the lst month I had to have outside sources close 4 forums that we're a direct horrible attack on me, but did stay away, an opinions may lay where they lay.
We don't seem clear on what the situation is, but thankfully its probably only 3 days and she'll be prepared no doubt.
My lesson in all this, like most I enjoy intellectual chat, even debates, we quickly hate thes ***ing bans and sometimes valid.
I hate to admit but mine ended up forcing me to refocus and prioritize
see chicks just ramble too much,
y, brenda, off to fan you next and snoopin a hub, relax, stop looking in here and play poker-best medicine.
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