Why was rainbow pride banned from the forums for three days

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calpol25posted 15 years ago
It says on her profile she is under a ban.
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JulesGeromeposted 15 years ago
Who is Brenda ?
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda is a another hubber here on hubpages and her religious views are always used against gay people.
  I dont know what has happened but this is unfair.
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
Who is Rainbow Pride?
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think he is referring to Brenda Durham.
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  Rafiniposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is Rainbow Pride Brenda? I thought they were two different people....
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Rainbow Pride is some one else lol
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  Norah Caseyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey calpol, this user is not banned. Did she tell you she wasn't able to post? If so, that is a technical problem.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sorry norah it says on her profile page she is banned so we instantly thought she was, and then finding out this news is very strange?
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  Norah Caseyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Huh. Well, that doesn't appear to be correct at all. Would you mind shooting us an email with a screen shot of this? I can't seem to replicate it.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  certainly whats the email address to send to you?
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  Norah Caseyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  team@hubpages.com
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hope that you have got that email?
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  Norah Caseyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ignore me, it wasn't a technical problem. I just can't read a user's profile, apparently. It's been a long week
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda is also on a ban!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is she? I did not know ok then something has happened here,
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ooooh I missed this! When did it happen? Must have been a flame war!
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know for sure, but if Brenda is banned, I'd say it has something to do with the "forgiveness" thread she opened specifically addressed to Mark Knowles...which Norah closed saying it was opened as a personal attack.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I seen that one yesterday, but she has attacked me many times and earnest hub too on the forums and nothing was done then.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was surprised that thread was allowed to stay open as long as it was. I opened a similar one about tksensei that was shut down within 2 minutes.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  how long was it open for?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  under 2 minutes
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I meant Brendas thread lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  several days
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well thats very strange unless it took several days to report the problem
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I figured that since it was directed at Mark, it wouldn't be shut down unless Mark himself complained. I doubt very much he ever did.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would like to think that that's because it's doubtful that Mark reported the thread. Whereas perhaps someone reported yours sooner. But the whole thing is pure silliness to me. Hehe...but entertaining.
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  Norah Caseyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would've taken it down sooner but I honestly hadn't noticed it. We've been very busy with new moderation tools and our work load has increased recently. Once it was reported, I took it down but it should not have lasted anywhere near as long as it did. I apologize for the appearance of inconsistency in that delay, it wasn't intentional at all.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I see, you have nothing to apologize for, I honestly thought that brenda may have pushed rainbow too far, because my own experiences with brenda I know how easy it is to loose your temper at a nasty response lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know it was against the rules, but I was actually pleasantly surprised that it lasted so long.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I missed it too I wonder who started it?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  That makes Jesus sad.
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
She wouldn't get banned for offending another hubber unless it was a personal attack. The hubpages staff are very fair on this.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never heard of this happening before Izzy because you remember how brenda attacked me for being gay and nothing was done about it.
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  Rafiniposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can only imagine what might have happened. Rainbow Pride started a thread on Stereotypes You Have Heard Re: Gay Community (something like that, anyway) She said she wanted to hear them, as in she was doing research (I think, unless I'm getting threads confused! lol)
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes she did start a thread on stereotypes, Oh dear I think we can guess what happened lol
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh yes, but did she attack you, or did she attack gay people in general? I honestly can't remember the specifics. But it is personal attacks that get you banned, not generalised attacks.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She attacked me a few times and then gay people in general but she has attacked earnest on more than one occasion as i witnessed it on a thread when he tried to defend gay people.
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  You're right here,Izzy. If it's personalized directly toward you, example being if the comment was made using the word "you" with an attack behind it, that would make it personal.
  
  But if it's made as an indirect attack toward, perhaps, a group of un-named people it may not be counted as personal. I would think that if I was gay and an attack was made against gay people in general, I would be offended, for sure!
  
  I had somebody tell me once on the forums "You disgust me with your....blah blah blah". That was 'below the belt', hateful, and not necessary. It was like I was being sneered at.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  thanks do not fear, I never knew that you could be banned from hub pages as personal attacks do happen, Brenda and others have attacked many of us personally and generally but they were not banned?
  
  Mind you when you are gay it becomes second nature to expect an attack from someone as it always happens but tricky situation this must have been.
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you report the attacks? If you didn't, hubpages staff quite possibly missed them. You have to report them usually for action to be taken.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How do you report them izzy?
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Under the post, in the bottom right hand corner, there is a 'report' button.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know i have never noticed that button lol
  
  I am truly not with it today lol
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  calpol, I'm sorry if you were hurt.
  
  My brother is gay and I don't attack him....plus, wonder of wonders, do I dare say.....OMG...I'm a Christian. I'm accepting of his choice; but why should I attack? No reason at all. I may not like, dislike, approve, not approve of what some folks do, but so what? I'd rather keep it to myself, ya know? I admit there's been times a critical drop of something has come out of me. It just happens. It happens to all. But dang, I love gay people! What I detest is the spewing of rotten, mean words. It hurts.
  
  Sometimes a person can become overly zealous with their Faith. I'm not saying Brenda is or isn't. I'm saying that her style may be what gets interpreted as attacking. Kinda like reading body language. Regardless, it came across that way, you were hurt, felt attacked, and now left with unsettled feelings. Hang in there!!!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks do not fear xx
  
  I like people like you, you like me for me not for the label other people give me. that is a special thing and I believe that is the true Christian way,
  do onto others as you would have them do on to you .
  
  Thank you for your support xxxxxxx
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  You're welcome! Never give up.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will never stop now as I know their are good people around me here on hub pages xx
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I did not report it because it was not DIRECT. The attacker just said 'I disgusted him/her' and a couple of other things that I erased from my memory. I don't think he/she would have been banned. But it was an attack for my Belief. And I had never said not one contradictory, preachy, hateful thing to that person. It really hurt, though I know my words would have meant nothing to that particular poster. It was like it came from nowhere, a verbal criticism just because of what I believe!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I see, what you mean, that attacker probably wanted power, and by attacking you it gave him power and control. You did nothing wrong at all, he just must having a bad day lol
  
  But you hang in there too!!!
  Were all adults and friends here on hub pages ( well some of us, if you know what i mean lol
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  That person hasa bad day every day. It's like the person goes and seeks out somebody to sneer at. I've seen some things said that were SO un-necessary! Just not necessary to get the point across. It's not essential to use hateful rudeness to say something. And to speak it in a jeering manner. I don't respond to that poster.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Were are very much alike here, as Izzy and me do not respond to hateful rudeness either, because their is an old saying up here in northern england "you cant argue with a wall of hate, only rise above it" xx
  I hope you know what i mean lol
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  Norah Caseyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well put, donotfear. I'd like to add, however, that if anyone says anything that would promote violence towards a group or individual, even if it is not directed at you, would be considered hate speech. For example, if someone were to post "all those who eat their bread butter-side up should be executed," that would be hate speech. I would like to encourage everyone to flag posts that cross the line. We might not always agree with you, but it helps to see a pattern of behavior in those who teeter on the line of what is acceptable.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree norah so will flagging it alert you? or just hitting the report button?
  you can tell im new to this one lol
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  Norah Caseyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just hit the report button and pick a reason for the report. Also, if there are more than one posts that are offensive, I'd suggest reporting the key ones. Sometimes we overlook a post, and while we may disagree that post X is offensive, post Y may certainly fall within our jurisdiction.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I see right, well its good to know that we are protected here.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So ... um ... is it okay for me to eat my bread butter-side up?
  
  Seriously, I'm with ya on this one. We can all agree with the fact that we will never totally agree on anything, but that disagreement should be kept to the topic and not to the people involved in the discussion.
  
  There's a major difference between saying something disagrees with you and saying *someone* disagrees with you, and I think that's where the line should be drawn in the sand. Also, hate speech of any kind should never be tolerated as it serves to make us all look uneducated and brutish, and this is not the kind of perfume we want to wear when we are asking others from outside Hubpages to be a part of our world by reading our articles.
  
  Inevitably, they read our discussion too, and making ourselves appear intolerant only gives the view that we as a group support such activities and are unworthy of general socialization with the typically kind public.
  
  And finally, I think it prudent that we not (in the future) ask publicly why person A got banned as it can be embarrassing for that person if they actually did something wrong and didn't want anyone to know about it. Or, in this case, if the person mistakenly thought they were banned, causing an unneeded ruckus.
  
  Questions like this are best addressed to the staff, as then they get answered properly, and any confusions (such as this one) get cleared up without any hard feelings or embarrassment.
  
  As a moderator on my own site, I can't begin to tell you what a difficult job it is to do. And when such moderation ceases I can assure you the anarchy causes much more strife.
  
  I applaud the moderators here at Hubpages and see their efforts as a contributing cause to the sites success on the Google ladders.
  
  And so ... if ya play nice the moddies won't bite ya. (but that's not to say I wouldn't bite the moddies - did I say that? Edit this out! Uh oh!)
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  the moderators are really good I just got the wrong end of the stick i suppose but im glad that i brought it to light because now i have learned about other options in case some attacks me or other maliciously on hub pages lol
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TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago
I have no idea about rainbow though.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  me too its strange, I mean you know brenda can go a bit to far however that may have been the case for rainbow too, we just dont know do we.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well...we're all only human here, I guess. Sometimes people get too much emotion wrapped up in the forums. Frankly, I"m surprised I haven't been banned for a few of the things I've said to Brenda...I can only assume that means she has never reported me (or, I guess, if she has, that HP staff gave me the benefit of the semantics doubt). LOL Sometimes everyone loses it, I guess.
  
  In light of all the recent banning and drama, and my attention having been called to some recent world events, though...I have been trying to make things even as trivial as my forum posts more peaceful. It is difficult to break the habit of my sarcasm at times. But I am attempting to devote myself to peaceful communication. It's the world's only hope, in a larger sense.
  
  Perhaps they'll each take the time to write some Hubs and get back to the forums in a few days.
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Arthur Fontesposted 15 years ago
Brenda has two hubs left posted. She tells her story on her profile page.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thankyou Arthur, it may seem nosey but I kind of miss her attacks at me as it gets me fired up to attack back lol
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not christian and I support gay rights but I still like Brenda.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do to even though we dont like each others views she is a good hubber.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Yes, poor me, me, me.

She also started a thread attacking Mark.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe she'll start her own site - Christian HubPages Exiles who don't hate gay people - really we don't, just their gayness.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ron that is evil lol
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But if she does im gonna join just for a laugh lol
  as a closet exile lol
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
And now she has only 2 hubs left? Another one leaving hubpages? Anyone know how many hubs she'd had - I can't remember.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She had loads of hubs I remember when I first joined the hub pages and there was at least 20 on her page at the start so she is leaving?
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
Anyone got links to Brenda and rainbow's profile pages?
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Go to the LGBT forum and it will have a thread by Rainbow Pride on it
  As for brenda look on some of the previous days forum topics.
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Calpol, never thought of that. I usually have terrible trouble trying to use the site search trying to find someone.
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
I hope not. She's a colourful character! I'm another one who hardly agrees with a word she says, but I defend her right to say them! If you know what I mean..
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree Izzy its in the human rights act
  
  "Freedom of expression" as much as we dont agree with her on some views she still has a right to say them lol
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
She has the right to say what she wants, I guess she stepped over the line. I don't believe it was solely because of her beliefs as she is claiming on her profile. I visited Rainbow Pride's profile, at least she took responsibility and apologized.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you there.
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
Well it's my honest opinion that anyone who removes their hubs after a scuffle in the forum seriously need their head looking at. Hubs earn more money the longer they are up. If you remove them all and post them elsewhere, they will have lost that 'time' factor.
I write for money as well as enjoyment. It's starting to trickle in now. I've no intention of running off anywhere, or even I did, my hubs would stay.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your right Izzy have just read what brenda has wrote on her profile and i dont think she will come back?
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myownworldposted 15 years ago
YET another hubber banned.... it's hard to keep count these days...!
3 days of forum detoxing is how I see it... might not be such a bad thing after all...
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I agree...I should start saying bannable things just to keep me away from here... I guess I'm too nice
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  Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You ARE too nice. All you have to do is think up something that irks you about what someone else does/is (and preferably someone who is minding his own business), and start a cringe-worthy thread about the matter. It may take quite awhile before you get yourself banned, but it will happen eventually.
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calpol25posted 15 years ago
You say others have been banned too?

This is the first one I have heard of.
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
Yes a lot of people's beliefs or viewpoints, when expressed, can be extremely hurtful to those it is directed against. Sometimes it is easier not to express views, but you know, we are all writers here, we all know there are ways to state your disaproval of a practice or a happening without offending people. It is possible! More of us should do it.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree izzy I always have tried not to be judgemental, and accept others for who they are regardless of my opinions, but for some people it is difficult not to state their belief or disapproval to people.
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm like you then! I'm not really opinionated about anything much really, but if I was, or I saw someone else attacking someone, I'd look for ways to post that does not put that person down.
  There is absolutely no need for some of the nastiness witnessed on forums.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I quite agree Izzy some of it is just extreme venomous attacks and are really below the belt.
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Yes, they are. And they come from both sides, too.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, there is good and bad where ever you go, but if you can always look for the good in some one you can diffuse the bad for that time.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It sounds easy but it isnt as not all people will show you the good side but some times you get to see just a little and it gives you faith and hope.
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I like these statements very much!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you I always believe them as they are always true points in life lol
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
I hadn't even looked at that thread! So there were problems on it? Hmmm...why am I not surprised!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know just like me, when something exciting happens we miss it lol
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, the title had his name as Mark Knowless...
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it did so it was a personal attack.
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought that was a typo...but then again I only got my internet back day before yesterday and I've put up 12 hubs since then, so I can't be expected to have read many forum posts!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I only came back from training yesterday so was unable to view hub pages for a few weeks lol I missed lots
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  when someone starts a thread like that, they're asking for a fight.
  when you give out that judgment and hatred, it's coming back to you in some form. there's a fine line that shouldn't be crossed.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I found that thread quite entertaining myself...and better than some I've seen, honestly...LOL
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It must have been serious then if it caused them to be banned all together lol
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just the usual problems lol
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
I just sent her an e-mail to say I hope she comes back. I disagree with her... Hell, I'll just round off and say 100% of the time, but for some reason I enjoy having her here.

Maybe she's right...I am perverted.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your right it wont be the same, without the odd slap or two from her lol
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I keep looking at your post about her website and its making ROFL each time I see it lol
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one is wrong all the time
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is true, we have our moments though lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The rounding absorbed the small fraction of agreement.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  very small
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calpol25posted 15 years ago
Im sorry i looked for the website but nothing yet lol ROFLMAO
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IzzyMposted 15 years ago
Gotta ask! Training for what?
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I have written my book on being gay and its being published in america how ever my friend here in england runs a company that deals with gay rights and have taken a copy of my book to use as a manual for their training and in return im trained as a lecturer with the police etc for gay issues and hate crimes lol
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I found the training interesting and heavy on the head though as you feel tired afterwards and cant be bothered with any thing but it is something i wanted to do because homophobia is really high here in the north of england lol
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well done you!! Good luck with the book, it sounds like it encapsulates all the salient points (hey that sounds good doesn't it!lol) when the gay rights movement want to use it, and they've offered you further training for working with the police etc.
  I'm inpressed!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Izzy lol the articles that i put on here in hub pages are from my book its like an A to Z of being gay and telling the hardship (and psychological side) my goodness im using big words at this time of night I think i need banned lol
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  IzzyMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ROFL!!! I don't think I could even spell that big word without Word's spellchecker LOL
  LOL @ you needing banned!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I used the spell checker lol
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good work calpol25! We need more books that educate on gay issues. I hope it gets a wide reading.
  
  I will say straight out that no way will I miss a homophobic religious zealot. These people destroy lives!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you earnest your right we do need more books on it infact im one of the first here in britain as no one has ever dared do it lol
  
  ROFL love your honesty i was trying to be diplomatic lol
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah yes diplomacy. I have heard of it I think. Australians are too far away to learn about it I guess. Never been accused of it!
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahahaha I have to be diplomatic all the time its become second nature lol:)
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cosetteposted 15 years ago
why is this even a thread? people get banned all the time...
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KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago
Yoshi, are you flirting with the moddies? Behave.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Deyz all gotz me avatar on der wallz.
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  KCC Big Countryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Them, and about a dozen other ladies here on HP, huh?
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kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years ago
It's a tough one sometimes, I don't know Brenda, but the few posts I have read from her, she's no dummy, I too was banned and actually dared HP to ban me for 'this' and then copied the same post 10 times - my ban was clearly justified but the person who knew I was lets say not emotionally stable jumped all over me ever so cautiously. Should I have walked yes, I didn't because it slapped me in the face and snapped, in public here. In the lst month I had to have outside sources close 4 forums that we're a direct horrible attack on me, but did stay away, an opinions may lay where they lay.

We don't seem clear on what the situation is, but thankfully its probably only 3 days and she'll be prepared no doubt.

My lesson in all this, like most I enjoy intellectual chat, even debates, we quickly hate thes ***ing bans and sometimes valid.

I hate to admit but mine ended up forcing me to refocus and prioritize

see chicks just ramble too much,

y, brenda, off to fan you next and snoopin a hub, relax, stop looking in here and play poker-best medicine.

xo
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