Automatic disabling of ads
so, if I'm understanding this correctly, our choices are to change a word here and there and hope the ads reappear, or wait for somebody to review it? How long do we have to wait? Gradual is not a specific enough time frame.
Or is there something more that I need to do? I can't find any clear instructions about this.
I'm not liking this one, I'm afraid. Big thumbs down. I'm not going to play mind games with a filter and try to guess which word may be triggering it.
There is not a thing in the world wrong with my disabled hub. It's from the health contest. I deleted the comments section which was possibly inappropriate. (But hilarious.
) Still, I didn't see anything explicit in there. I wouldn't have approved them in the first place if I thought there was a problem. This is not a hub that I threw up just for fun. It's there for the AdSense. So without AdSense, it doesn't need to be there. See what I'm saying?
So, here I sit, staring at a warning message with no way to address it. It's annoying that the hub got filtered, but I'll get over it. The problem is that I'm just left hanging.
Please don't be like Squidoo and say
"Just stay away from the topic. There are a gazillion other topics you're interested in, aren't there?"
I'm on board with the spirit of this filter completely, but you need to be fishing with a smaller net.
At least give us a clear procedure instead of vague explanations.
I know that the purpose of the filter is to protect everybody's revenue without having to completely forbid entire topics or spend ungodly hours moderating hubs. We need some fine tuning here, though.
Maybe account for author score, or for how long the hubber has been a member?
I'm cool. I'm blunt, but I'm cool.
No actually, I don't have other things to do. I noticed the problem on this hub because it is related to a project someplace else. I'm not going to link to it now. I'll just put a similar article someplace else for the time being; I don't like the indefinite wait time.
If I didn't think the issue would be addressed and corrected, I would not have bothered complaining. (Squidoo didn't hear a peep from me when they rejected my stuff. I don't see the point of it.)
My hub is not about sex. It's about impotence, but the emphasis is on aerobic exercise. I use the word penis only once, if I'm remembering correctly.
p.s. MOW, that wasn't really a response to you, but was reading your post and must have hit reply before posting myself.
no worries, I understood....
do you think it's possible for a filter/bot etc. to highlight the exact words in a hub that set off the alert? Or is it only possible manually, in which case it would mean hell lot of work for HP staff...?It should be a very easy thing to do. But I think the problem here is that the HP filters are disabling hubs for words that Google is smart enough to know aren't necessarily specific to 'adult' writing.
Words such as 'breasts', 'penis', etc. do not porno make.
However the bad news for you is that I suspect your hub on pornography would suffer the same fate even without the new HP filters.
lol...you mean, words like 'sex' or 'sexual' in a hub that attempts to analyze that very concept? While you may have a point, such restrictions are quite debilitating for any writer. Still, as I always say, one has to learn to work with the system than give up altogether, and I guess that's what I'd be doing eventually..
And why can I no longer edit my forum posts? What's going on here?
- ralwusposted 14 years ago
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My ads are back now. I'm going to assume that it was the joking around in the comments section that triggered the filter.
I'm wondering...
Would it be possible for the problem areas to be somehow marked in the hub? Maybe highlighted or colored red or something...
If the words are being identified, how difficult would it be to mark them? Is that something that could be added to the filter, or is it something that wouldn't work? I don't understand it well enough to know if this would even be possible.
thanks guys!- pinkyleeposted 14 years ago0
- Norah Caseyposted 14 years ago0
Thanks a bunch Norah!
I've just had a reply from the HP team telling me where the problem was in one of my banned hub, as for the other I'll put it on an ebook on using hypnosis to address sex issues that I'm writing. So kudos to the HP staff.
Anyhow, can I suggest that since complying with all these rules is becoming slightly schizophrenic it could be a good idea to have another option for ads beside AdSense? Like AdBrite or Project Wonderful? At the end the world doesn't turn around Google, there are others serious ad networks around. And possibly more rewarding and more publishers friendly. The same goes for Ebay which for those like me without the chance to have an account could be easily substituted I think by EBid, just to give an example. If we could have more than one chance we could have a better writing experience because I must say that if I have to write an article and think about words or picture who might be caught in the banning fishnet well, this becomes exhausting.
Moreover more chances and money for publishers means also more chances and more money for HP site.
If all the world followed Microsoft today we wouldn't have Open Office and Linux, if you know what I mean.Norah, while I agree that the filtering thing could be needed I must say that while the filter gets fine tuned writers are losing money. And given that, also based on comments, people write here for making money this is not much acceptable. I've had an hub unpublished, not just ads disabled, because there were two pictures of a girl in thongs. I don't know in the USA but here in Italy on prime time on every TV channel it's common view.
Now, almost everyone who is writing on HP knows that the real money from AdSense is really little, almost all those who say they are earning a lot do it in other ways, like Ebay or Amazon, or sending people to their own site. Nevertheless the little money given by ads can be useful, and if it's taken away because the filter has to be tuned, well, this is not serious and respectful of writers. Who are the ones that are giving money to HP site with their work through sharing revenues. It's not Google, it's us, and we pay for the service.
Now, I'm not talking just for the pleasure of it, I've had a couple of hubs unpublished and so I know what I'm talking about, and while the review team works fast and answers to request pretty promptly this filter is something that could have been, to be kind, tested more before getting used.
And, I don't feel at all comfortable having to be careful of unknown words or pictures, that's stressful and unfair. Google doesn't own the internet and I'm sure that going to another competitor HP could have a business agreement as good as it has with Big G. And if Big G. is so scaring there is also the possiblity to create a separate adult/mature section of HP. Don't worry, Google will put its ads also there, and there would also be a place for those desi aunties hubs which perform so well on HP. Searching for desi aunties on the internal search engine gives back 848 hubs, doesn't this go against Google rule on quality content?
After having said this, but I'd have a lot more, this is not at all a comment on you given that you are so kind to talk and explain things to us, so kudos to you Norah for listening to our complaints. And for doing your best to defend HP.
I admire your acceptance and understanding. But I don't feel the same way. Let's just say I've never been comfortable with being rule-bound, and I get to live with that.
The good news is that I can voice my opinions and make a stab at championing the things I believe in.
I'm surely with you on one important thing..."If I wouldn't put it in a letter to the Editor of a local News Paper, I won't put it in a hub." I just think I might put more in the local paper than you.I've never been rule bound either....I just find another place to write what I want to write.
I was involved in music publishing for years and had to turn down many songs because I knew the commercial market wouldn't accept them.
I did try to help the writers find other outlets for their material.
HubPages is just one of many ways to publish. I have stories, artwork and music all over the net....uncensored.
I've complained as much as anybody about the type of content that's been affected by this filter.
But, HP has a legitimate reason for doing this, and they are working with writers closely to correct the false positives.
I have a real hard time with calling this censorship. HP is a business. TOS violations threaten the source of income not only for HubPages itself, but for every writer who publishes here. (For free, may I add.)
If HubPages was not concerned about keeping this platform as open as possible, they would not have a filter that will block ads but still leave the hubs up - they would simply unpublish the content.I think the grey area is a good thing... a list of specific words would cause more problems. It would take out any interpretation at all, and ignore the context of the article.
That seems worse to me than flagging hubs for moderation.
Censorship (in my mind) implies moral judgement, and control of ideas. And I really hate it.
But, this is about a business market.
That's why I don't like the word here
It makes me think of NBC - you won't see prime time soft core porn there. Then again, you won't see Jay Leno on Cinemax.
Hubs are "reviewed" via algorithms. Granted, algorithms based on human participation. But that's how our Hubs get to have presence on search engines. They have keywords that someone is looking for, and the understanding of that relationship between keywords and the internet user becomes an algorithm. The measure is then how many times a Hub is clicked on or found through a link or promoted through a link. The individual mind becomes quite unimportant in the Internet review process in terms of content. Hubs are reviewed by machines.
I think I should have a profile score of 100 at all times, but the machines tell me different.
Nope...not a she...I'm a he.
- ralwusposted 14 years ago0
LOL....Charlie...I have to disagree...you write great crap!
- ralwusposted 14 years ago0
thanks Tom. LOL! Well...hmm. You may want to check your filter, I think it may be clogged.
My hub entitled "The Art of Cybersex" was not flagged...but the one entitled "Everything you Wanted to Know About Spryte" is..
Not sure how that happened, but I guess my tell-all was more offensive to Google than my How-to manual....ha! Seriously though...although they are both "clean" the point is moot to me since I do not write to please Google.It appears from the forums that this new system is causing both confusion and frustration for hubbers - key words such as sex are disabling ads - yet many of the ads are sex orientated - strange system
