Welcome to the official forum thread for discussing the HubPatron of the Arts contest! BEFORE you enter, read everything on our official contest page, including the rules. I guarantee that it will answer nearly all of your contest-related questions.
For those wondering about the word count requirement: All entries must contain a total of 500 words. If a poem you write is less than 500 words (two words, for example!), you will need to include some supplementary text (e.g. an explanation, introduction, discussion of background, etc...) for your entry to qualify. If you submit a photo gallery, it must contain at least 500 words of explanation.
Another detail that many people get snagged on: If your entry does not contain at least one image, it will not qualify for prizes. If any of the images are illegally used (e.g. not your own, not properly cited, or not cited at all and clearly not yours), an entry will be disqualified, so visit our Learning Center entry on legal image use to make sure you're going things right.
We will be posting links to winning Hubs in another thread - the first winner will be announced on Wednesday, November 2nd, and only Daily Drawing winners will be named during the contest. First, second, and third place prizes, as well as the Smashwords winner, will be announced on Friday, December 2nd.
I wish you all the best of luck and can't wait to see your entries!!
Simone, if you have the time a thread dedicated to posting the link entries (like we do with the Weekly topic) would be a great addition for getting the contest hubs located and read, if one is not already in the works... Thanks so much for the contest! HubHugs~ K9
Very excited for this contest! What a fun idea, and I love the arts. Can't wait to see what everyone else is sharing too. Thanks HubPages for coming up with such a cool contest! Not sure how to post this without posting the whole post I am replying too, sorry so long.
Sorry for being a bit dumb, but I think I didn't publish my first hub in the photo galleries comp in the right way. Can I be clear about it - I added the tag 'contest', but if I want to enter in the photo section, I have to publish the hub under the categories Entertainment and Media -- Photos and Videos -- Photo Galleries. Is that correct? At first I just added the tag 'contest', so I fear I may have missed the boat with the hub for the contest, though I've now republished it under the hub categories as described above. Please let me know if this is right, and if the hub - http://greensleeves-hubs.hubpages.com/h … eensleeves - is still elligible. Cheers. Alun
Though this contest is a wonderful idea, I am going to remove (with regret) the few poems that I've posted to date. One of them ("Fandango") was automatically de-published because it had already appeared in print and online elsewhere (as part of a previous "Year of the Poet" national celebration actually!). And that made me realize how careful one needs to be when posting original works online... especially when one may want to re-publish them in the future (either online or in print).
So I'll be removing the poems at the end of the day tomorrow. Sadly, poetry is a much different animal than prose... it can't be restricted to just one public display, and it can't be "substantially rewritten" between its online airings!
That's not to denigrate the idea though... its still a wonderful competition!
I am confused. If, the daily winner is announced at 4 pm. Then, what time of day is the latest time to be considered for that days contest? Do hubs published after 4 pm on one day count towards the next day's contest?
The contest started at 12noon Pacific time on the first day. The next 24 hours is one day. So yes, anything published after 12pm on a given day that is entered correctly (eligible) is then entered in the next day's daily draw.
I'm getting some more common questions, so I want to address them here:
Regarding long stories: If you want to submit a story that is particularly long, I recommend publishing it in one Hub instead of in parts, as entries are going to be judged on an entry-by-entry basis (and hence incomplete stories are less likely to go on to win first, second, or third prize). If you want a higher chance of winning a Daily Drawing prize, however, you might want to publish your story in parts, because that increases your number of unique entries.
Regarding weeks and deadlines: Though in the past, we had weekly awards, the HubPatron of the Arts contest has only daily prizes and final prizes. So long as you enter between November 1st at noon PT and November 22nd at 12:00pm PT, your entry will be within the correct time frame.
Hi viking305! Sorry for the confusion. It's Photo Galleries under Entertainment and Media. You should be fine so long as you re-categorize your entry before noon (PT) today. That's a bit short of four hours from now.
Simone - I've been looking for the answer to this but can't find it: The instructions say 'must be published for the first time and unique to HubPages'. Does this mean previously published in the contest or altogether on HubPages anywhere? In other words, can we use previously published hubs which are unique to HubPages and have not been entered into a contest?
Yep! It's properly categorized, contains at least one original photo that belongs to you (and is therefore legally used), has the 'contest' tag, and meets the minimum word requirement. Totally counts! So glad you're submitting entries in this contest, Dobson!
To answer those questions: no and no! So long as the images are legally used and properly cited (or so long as they just belong to you), you can use the same image in all entries for all the rules care
@Simone wouldn't it be better to have a separate thread for poetry, fiction and photography.. just thinking out aloud.. may help the readers, they do not have to wade through a serpentine thread if the decide to catch up after a few days.
I can see the value in that, but for the sake of simplicity, I'm going to keep official contest discussions down to three threads (discussion of all categories, entries, and winners) instead of five. Feel free, though, to start a category-specific discussion thread- I bet folks might really appreciate it!
Each entry is being judged only within its category for all prizes but one: the Smashwords prize. That said, each category has its own first, second, and third place prize. All entries are in the same pool for daily drawing prizes, though, which are randomly chosen and not based on quality.
That kinda stinks (I always use photography to support my poetry) Okay... Guess I am making another hub with a showcase of photos... I dont suppose we can create and include an embedded video (Youtube) in our hubs that is considered as part of the judged material can we?
I published a poem (a captive's narrative) with context notes and in total, that makes for 500 words but since the poem itself is in picture form (which gave it better layout), the words in it aren't digitally registered, so does it still qualify or not?
When doing a slide show, do we have to tag each photo individually?
For instance, I have a hub I am going to enter into the contest and I tagged and gave a description for each photo in a slideshow. The word count went from about 450 to over 1100. Just to clarify, all the photos relate to one event.
Do address some more common questions I've been getting:
Regarding contest categories: You can absolutely submit entries in different categories (e.g. two photo gallery entries and one poem and one story). The only limit is that you can submit no more than five entries per day (in ALL categories)
Regarding contest judge participation: Contest judges are allowed to participate in the contest and submit entries, but their entries are exempt from winning prizes in the categories for which they are judging (e.g. I'm one of the photos judges, and I can't have any entries considered for the photo galleries category, but I could win a Daily Drawing for one of my entries... though because I'm HP staff, I am, most tragically, not allowed to win anything... aside form the trophy SirDent just gave me. Which is awesome).
Simone, I've a question; in the graphic for the contest it says "prose, poetry, & photo" - in the list of prizes it specifies prizes for "poems, fictional creative writing, and photo galleries" . . . for the creative writing entires, is it only fiction that qualifies, like, not essays or nonfiction storytelling? I took 'prose' to be just about any manner of creative writing that is not poetry (narrative, essay, fiction, nonfiction, etc) - is it only fiction that is eligible for this contest?
Anything that fits properly within the "creative writing" category counts, and as Wikipedia defines creative writing as "Creative writing is considered to be any writing, fiction, poetry, or non-fiction, that goes outside the bounds of normal professional, journalistic, academic, and technical forms of literature." I say you're in the clear!
Thank you, Simone, for all your information. I think the links thread is a great idea. Also, on the word count: I may have made a mistake on that, for with my explanation of the poem I submitted yesterday it pushes the word count over 500. I also post a link to my poem on FaceBook and Twitter, is that a definite NO-NO? Will my poem of 11/1 be disqualified for these two mistakes? It is not clear in the requirements rules about the word count (which stated a MINIMUM OF 500 WORDS) and it is not in the contest rules that we should not share the link anywhere but here. Please clarify these two confusions for me. Thanks for all your help with this contest.
Simone, I still cannot find out how to post a NEW reply to this thread. When I click on the 'Post A Reply' at the bottom of the page it takes me to the Official Contest page where we cannot post links and discuss our poems. I have to come into this thread and reply to one of my previous posts.That is the only I can get in here.
Simone doesn't need your personalized electronic awards! She KNOWS she is the Queen of Awesome!
.. just like Drax knows he is the King of Outstanding .. and epigramman knows he is the King of Wonderful .. and Nellieanna knows she is the Queen of Amazing .. and rebekahELLE knows she is the Queen of Terrific .. and my fellow Canadian saddlerider1 knows he is the King of Greatness
.. and Poetry contest Hubpages staff representative Camille Harris knows she is the Queen of Specialness
And all of them were in the top 200 in the last two years on my hubs, I am so proud of them! Oh and don't forget Wayne Brown. Hubbers picked them and look how far they have came? Give yourselves a pat on the back.
Lololo! You are so silly. I honestly noticed that. And the two who were number numero uno on HP are very popular now indeedy. Habee and Cagsil I am doing that again this year, so I wonder who it will be next year. mmmmmmm....... I am scared! lolololo:D
Now Hubbers, Jason and I are traveling to BlogWorld tomorrow and Friday, which means that our access to computers and stuff might be limited. If tomorrow and Friday's DD winner is not named until about 5:30 or 6:00, please do not hurt me.
One more little note... <soapbox> some folks who could have possibly won the DD today weren't using their images legally, even though they did cite them. Though naming an image's author is an important part of legal image use (especially if the image is licensed as a Creative Commons, Attribution image), the image's creator must still indicate that it is OK to use the image. So you can't just use any image you find online. It has to be one that's licensed as CC or public domain.
I know it's complicated, but by learning the proper process, you'll be able to become a stronger, more polished and professional writer! Or something. Just... just a suggestion. The prize money is a good motivator too. </soapbox>
Simone, I used images from people I know personally and have permission to do so on several of my poems. How do I cite that.? I used my friends Eden Sky, Joe Lee, Mary Chapman and the Scarlet Woman. All of them I have permission and know them personally....Or can we not use those atall. And do u let contest entries know this at least one time or not.?
I would make a note under source or as a caption that the image is by Eden Sky and used with permission. And if a contest entry is selected as a winner but does not have a properly attributed photo, I don't give a warning. If the entry does not meet contest requirements by the time we review it, there's nothing we can do because we have to name daily winners in a timely manner. ^_^;;
Those you can either attribute to yourself or leave blank. Many people attribute their own photos if they want to clarify their copyright, though technically any image you place online that is not otherwise marked is considered copyrighted by you by default.
Thanks Simone, I think I can work with that. I have options at least, that is all I did want to clarify. There are still quite a few days left, and I can rectify any problems before the wider end of the judging. Thanks darling. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d
I don't believe that you did at all. I also read the script to represent the same as you did. However, I guess with 'creative' contests, it is quite 'creative' being somewhat ambiguous, or fuzzy with the desired interpretation of rules, as much as ambiguity is often a desired effect in storytelling!
Maybe I was only imagining that daily it was somewhat more than merely a 'pick a straw daily' comp drawn across three very VERY different genres. Shouldn't Creative Comps NOT Mix/Judge/Compare Apples with Oranges and also have a greater, more consistant reliance on quality?
The Daily Drawing winner is selected from ALL entries each day, but first, second, and third place prizes (which are selected by our judges) are category-specific. So there will be three first place prizes- one for poetry, one for creative writing, and one for photos. The only other prize that does not repeat across categories is the Smashwords prize. So we're definitely not comparing apples and oranges when it comes to judging! No worries!
OK I do have a question. An interesting thing has happened during this contest: I have found myself submitting my photos only to find myself also writing a poem about the photo. I have also ended up doing creative writing in the photo hub I made. So how do I categorize these now? And are they only judged by one category? Some of my hubs are falling into all 3!
That's awesome, Dorsi! I say categorize your entries under the category in which they are most likely to win. So if one of these entries has good photos in it, but GREAT poetry, categorize it under poems and poetry
There's no communal listing this time, since there are multiple categories and the lag time with old ones would freak people out, but I can certainly add total entries so far to the winners thread. I'll do that starting today
I have a question about using photos again. There are some photos needed that we cannot just run out and shoot because they might be in another country on the other side of the world. Wikipedia photos, most of them, are licensed under creative commons. Many times the original photographer is not even known or mentioned.
How do we cite these photos?
I have one photo on an unpublished hub that is cited as follows: This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Commons is a freely licensed media file repository. Source: Wikipedia
I need to know if that is sufficient.
EDIT I had to come back and share this. I thought it was finished and checked the word count. It stands right now at 499 words.
"One more little note... <soapbox> some folks who could have possibly won the DD today weren't using their images legally, even though they did cite them. Though naming an image's author is an important part of legal image use (especially if the image is licensed as a Creative Commons, Attribution image), the image's creator must still indicate that it is OK to use the image. So you can't just use any image you find online. It has to be one that's licensed as CC or public domain." As Noted From Simone Smith.
I'm trying to "cite" good photos for my different themes for this contest...I haven't found one good photo in Creative Commons...nor on Flickr/Attribution...nor Wikimedia...(and a whole lot more). None that are any good for free publication. I have tried for hours and all the photos that are free....suck! They are awful...and it's not from a lack of trying.
The thing about it is: the topics I am looking for are fairly common, but as Sir Dent noted "It is not like you can just run and shoot a photo in another country" Me...I'm just looking for a simple shot along with mountains....preferably...but it's not like it is in my backyard...or even close by. What a hassle this has turned into!
Does this mean that my poems will be disqualified since I can't find a good matching image for free for the poem? That doesn't make sense.
If that is the case...I'm pretty discouraged by the fact that you have to have any old image on your poem to qualify for this contest. If that is the case...I'm going to draw stick figures...and title them...and call them my artwork...then add them to the poem. And I doubt that would help the overall look of the Hub.
Am I dreaming...or is it really this hard to find simple basic free images that are any good?
Government pictures in public domain normally have [public domain] or something like that written next to the pic, or in the information provided with the picture. Take care that you do see the public domain tag, as some government sites use individual's picture's (they individual may have rights to it, some government officials are private personalities, as well).
Thanks, Simone. Work done by the US gov't is in the public domain. A photo of Fenway Park, shot by US Marines, is in the public domain. Official portraits are in the public domain, if commissioned by the US Gov't. Hope that helps.
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