How come people who never write hubs, are allowed to use forums?

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GoldenBirdposted 12 years ago
There are some troubled men who regularly use forums, and they have not a single hub in their profiles. How come? How is it allowed? I do not get it--- Is HubPages a chat-website?
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  lobobrandonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes!! We need to get together and make them stop allowing this!! Only people with hubs and atleast one quality hub with a score of 70 or above (not hubber score but hub score) should be allowed to use it!!. It's really irritating seeing useless comments and people here.
  
  Let them be able to ask questions if they wish as I know the forums are meant for them to ask others for help. They can get enough help from questions to create their first hub!!
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree
  
  Many people just abuse forums, because HubPages has left the big door open for them.
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  lobobrandonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  Chemistry Bookposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Forum could just be a Bore if we accept these Rules. And this Discussion might not have come up....you see?
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Who determines if a person is useless? This is such an irritating opinion.
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  Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only those who deem themselves morally superior, you know... idiots.
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  georgethegentposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Who determines if a person is useful? This is such an irritating opinion.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only those who deem themselves morally inferior, you know... idiots.
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  Rehana Stormmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
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  aisha91posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  (chuckles)...Nah I enjoyed this one.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "There are some troubled men"
  
  How do you know they are men? Did one person hurt your feelings and you created a thread in which to attempt to silence them?
  
  I do not get it?
  
  You have noticed this pattern of behavior in your nine days here?
  
  "Let's squash dissenting opinions because we cannot come up with a valid rebuttal" or something like that?
  
  Why just one hub why not five or TEN? Let them post, if they violate TOS report them and let staff sort it out.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "Let them post, if they violate TOS report them and let staff sort it out."
  
  -The point is that it takes time for the staff to come and moderate those nice comments. One must have his right to choose who he wants to listen to, and who he does not.
  
  "How do you know they are men? Did one person hurt your feelings and you created a thread in which to attempt to silence them?"
  
  -I think they are men, and not cats or dogs or vultures. Astrological predictions are better to keep to oneself.
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  lobobrandonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  GoldenBird just ignore them there's no need to reply to those threads
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes!
  
  Thanks lobobrandon
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  Chemistry Bookposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ..and you are replying!
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  One has the right to express their opinions, you have the right to ignore them but not to silence them.
  
  "-I think they are men, and not cats or dogs or vultures."
  
  Could it be possible they may be women?
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I mean 'men' in the generic use of the word..
  
  We are actually discussing a solution suggested by Pcunix-
  
  "A simple solution that many other forums have is the option to block users. You then can't see their comments or forum posts."
  
  We are not talking to silence anyone. We are talking to retain our right for choices.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This is NOT a social networking site. Once again YOU have the Right to ignore any post you like. You do NOT have the right to determine if any member has the Right to post in the forums.
  
  I disagree with Pcunix on this. Perhaps you would be more content playing on Facebook, that way you can have the feeling of superiority by blocking users.
  
  HP is a privately owned site with its own TOS. We have no Right to tell staff how they should operate THEIR website. You have the Right to express your opinions within TOS.......Stop.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You simply did not get it in your head. I will let you there alone. If you can not understand an idea, it's better to ask people to explain that. You are instead showing your infantile temper on me. Very good, please continue.
  
  If you cool down, then read this post by Pcunix-
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/1912040
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's YOU who doesn't understand. It seems as though that you want the power to remove the post from your view and that just shouldn't be the case...that's the wimps way out.
  
  If you're unable to stand against the adversity, then walk away or don't respond to the post. Maybe YOU should learn a little self control?
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We don't want to see those posts. That's it.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh well. Then I suggest you need to learn more self control. Thank you for letting the rest of the community know that you cannot handle adversity. It will go a long way in to future communications.
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  logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Right on Cags! We now have more information on whom to ignore!
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I did not suggest that. Did I? Pcunix did.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It was Pc OK?
  
  10 days and you know how things roll here?
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you didn't suggest it, but you agreed with him, so in essence you are also saying it.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's not necessarily adversity. It's perfectly reasonable to have a filter that stops you from seeing certain people and even certain threads.
  
  For example, say you and I get into a long discussion about the virtues of using Rte 9 instead of the Mass. Turnpike. As fascinating as that might be to us and as instructive as it would be to those who might someday wish to drive across MA, some very few folks here might find it just a little pointless.
  
  Rather than having it clutter their forum list, they could block that thread.
  
  Someone else may be well known for making silly jokes. They aren't obnoxious, but a more serious person might prefer to just block that person wherever they post.
  
  Good forums allow these kind of features and more - convenience things.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And I don't think it is necessary.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Then YOU wouldn't use it. Someone who chose to block me would not affect your enjoyment of my forum activity,
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I would use it.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You would not use it would you? You seem to me to be a person who would allow everyone to voice their opinions. Agree or disagree you seem to accept all posts as valid. I know you have had some lengthy debates recently but would you actually block the person/persons?
  
  Your forum line would be all askew and would not make sense if you could not see the posts which are commented on.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I might block some threads, but probably not people.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Can you not block thread categories? I thought HP implemented that already. I do not do the religious debates but I have not attempted to hide them.
  
  Your alright Pc, you have proven to me that you knew about the Panda BS long before I did. I actually stopped creating artificial links when you accumulated tons of grief about warning us. Now Google seems to have some love for me since any links I have were created by others. My earnings are rising monthly and I have to give you credit for providing the info.
  
  It would be my loss if I had blocked you simply because I did not agree with one post of yours.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I had no prescience of Panda and according to some, buying or creating fake links is still effective (see Peter Hoggan, for example).
  
  I just know that Google WANTS to ignore fake links, link wheels and anything else that is done for SERP rather than for people. Whether they CAN do that effectively is always an entirely different discussion.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's the painful bit, isn't it. I did try some of the paid backlinking services for a while, after being nagged mercilessly about how I wasn't making a real effort with my websites. I never lasted past my first month's subscription on any of them, because I was so horrified by the drivel that passed for "page-ranked blogs".
  
  I do think Google has been successful in identifying the very worst of these, as many people who were using these services found the value of their backlinks dropped drastically or disappeared. But it is depressing how much garbage is still there, and so are the paid services - though I think most of them are taking money under false pretenses, because their links have little or no value.
  
  There are a few newer services which are trying to maintain quality - allowing people to post original, unique articles on blogs in exchange for one or two links. I still feel slightly uncomfortable with that system, because basically it's regurgitating the same information in different words in multiple places. I said this to a marketing friend of mine and she said "but that's what we do with press releases, it's business".
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  Debby Bruckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What is a fake link?
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A fake link is one intended to affect SERP.
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  Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In your opinion would this include personally posting a link to your hub from any number of social media sites? In Google’s eyes a link that lacks editorial control contravenes their guidelines.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, in Googles eyes a link that benefits readers is fine.
  
  Obviously there are gray areas and overlaps.
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  Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  IMO there is no editorial control in personally creating links to your hub regardless where you post them. But we all do it, and we do it to increase search engine rankings, attract traffic and increase earnings. Even if the link is nofollow , the effect of increased traffic that does not immediately bounce back to the referrer will improve search engine rankings.
  
  These are fake links just as PC describes them, created for no other reason than those listed above. This isn’t just a grey area, its grey hat SEO.
  
  But we all do it!
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps so, but we all don't go buying thousands of incoming links, so we?
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  Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don’t know how everyone else goes about linking so I couldn’t possibly comment. However, I have bought a few links in my time. Press releases via PR web although quite expensive will get you links from some very high powered news sites including Google news. And paying bloggers to review a product can also be very effective. Google AdWords can also be very effective.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. I've seen those tools available at other forums and took advantage of them myself for the examples you offered and other reasons, too. No problem.
  
  @Goldenbird I understand the OP had an end similar to what was agreed here, but the means to that end were not handled very well.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Here ya go, everything you seek...... http://www.facebook.com/index.php?lh=74 … 7014aa6244
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Temper? If you resort to personal attacks you will surely get staff's attention. I do not need anything explained to me, I understand quite well.
  
  I also do not need any homework, Thank You for the offer. I do not need any explanations, I understand completely both your intent and purpose.
  
  You do not understand.... IT IS CALLED TERMS OF SERVICE!
  
  If Hubpages determines what the rules are then who are YOU to tell them differently?
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This post, above, Reality Bytes, is enough evidence for the entire community, to understand how infantile and rude you are. I don't need moderators to deal with an uncivilized kid.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
  Your going to need moderators now Phenom!!!!
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  @A Troubled Man, I knew this thread was posted to attack a single member. It now makes complete sense.
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  georgethegentposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What about the troubled women? It would be unreasonably sexist just to pick on the guys, wouldn't it???
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Writing here isn't a requirement for forum usage.
  Because HubPages chooses it to be that way.
  Again, because HubPages chooses it to be that way.
  HubPages is a writing site that which has a forum that members of HubPages can use if they so choose.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's pretty obvious your thread, anger, malice and hatred are directed at me, that you wish to have me censored because you consider my posts 'ignorant rubbish' and I'm only here to 'abuse forums'.
  
  Yes, you are trying to 'silence' me and have me ejected simply because you got Christ and you don't want to hear anything that may shake the foundations of your beliefs. That is obvious.
  
  Retaining your right for choices?
  
  Yes, you want to retain your rights as long as others lose their rights, or in this case, have them taken away.
  
  Of course, there are many members here who say more in one post than some do their entire time here, including their hubs. Of course, only being here for 10 isn't really enough time to see the validity or credibility of any given member. However, the creation of this thread would show that in spades.
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  Little two twoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are thinking of the newcomers? You talk as if you are age old at this publishing platform, yet your account is only 10 days old and your hubs are 'just poems', many could argue, you should not be in here posting, as you dont have any 'real' hubs, meaty and substantial - just rubbish junk .. darn, it could be guessed your just a sock puppet on another account who put up some 'poems' to argue your case and use the same tactic others are that you are judging down on them for.
  
  To say I dont want to see this or that, then dont freakin look. I am sure there are people on here who would love to do away with poetry, thats not 'real' writing. I am not trying to be rude to poetry writers, but just show that there are those who may feel you don't have the right to be here. People who post more like a blog on here would love to see the sales hubs gone.
  
  Even though people may not want to see what you have to say, most will say you have the right to pose whatever crap you want, I have the right to scroll right past. You dont have the right to dictate who can and can't post, as your original post implied.
  
  I know of folks who posted to the forum before publishing, because they wanted to ask questions about their hub and the design of it (for example) ... your idea would have blocked them from the forums and forced rubbish to be posted, just to get assistance.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This has been raised a few times.
  
  The reason given is always access for new members. If we ban people who don't have Hubs, how will newbies ask for help getting started?
  
  However there's an easy solution to that - HubPages could restrict posting rights for newbies, so they can only post in the HubPages-related threads (like Need Help, Report a Problem etc).
  
  The suspicion is that HubPages likes the controversy - it means more activity on the forums which is good for Google ranking. So I don't think they're likely to limit access any time soon.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I also had the same idea- that newbies can get enough help from the HubPages-related threads, and this will end the problem. If your suspicion is right, then I will be very disappointed with HubPages. If it is wrong, then they must implement this.
  
  I would like to get a staff come here and explain this for us.
  
  By the way, if HubPages likes to be a chat-website, then it must have the features of a chat website: the one pointed out by Pcunix.
  
  Thanks for the honest reply, Marisa Wright. I appreciate that :-)
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  ediggityposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You're on a writing website that promotes creativity and freedom of expression, but you desire censorship? Kind of puts a damper on things.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Read through this thread. If you do not find any reason or meaning, then ask. We have discussed already. You might not have spent time to understand this thread.
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  ediggityposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I understand perfectly. You think there should be certain rules/regulations/options set in place for specific individuals who don't measure up to your opinion/criteria of a worthwhile appropriately contributing Hubber.
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  relacheposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For the same reason that some new users come onto a site and just start complaining... Go figure...
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you will not consider Marisa Wright a new user; and will you consider her complaining?
  
  -"The suspicion is that HubPages likes the controversy - it means more activity on the forums which is good for Google ranking. So I don't think they're likely to limit access any time soon."
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  Dr. Haddoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are people out there who suffer from real needs for opportunities to interact with other people. They are lonely, or fearful, or just need to be needed. Lets have compassion for those among us who are needy, lonely or just plain "want some companionship" over the web. I have tried to keep my reply simple and non-medical like.
  Dr Haddox
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rbe0posted 12 years ago
imo the only ones who should be removed are the obvious sockpuppets.

(spreadingtheword is a prime example)
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GoldenBirdposted 12 years ago
It were really helpful if someone from the staff could explain this.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The staff has already explained themselves quite well. Maybe you have not paid attention.
  
  http://hubpages.com/faq/
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Debby Bruckposted 12 years ago
Hi GoldenBird ~ I believe I asked about this a long time ago. I learned that many people on Hubpages are supporters of authors. Many write insightful comments, vote and rate on hubs. Some converse in the forums. It is not required to write any hubs.

However, I can see if there are pests with all negative attitudes not contributing anything useful they could be removed.

Blessings,
Debby
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Debby.
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Cassie Smithposted 12 years ago
Oh let them do it. They've got nothing better to do in their lives than talk smack with other people. It's their way of socializing. And you shouldn't let it bother you. Jesus had to deal with Pharisees and Saducees, and they're exactly like that.
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calpol25posted 12 years ago
Lets start a protest against non hubbing forum posters
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  lobobrandonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Haha I'm with you Calpol - But, there are a few genuine posters as Debby pointed out
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  calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I know what you mean, its really hard to actually filter out some of these people but I think the best way is to incorporate a rule that the forums remain closed to a new hubber until after they have posted their first hub??
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  Cassie Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why bother?
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GoldenBirdposted 12 years ago
Hi folks! Thanks for the support.

I just was thinking about the newcomers. We know how things roll here. But they don't. It were really good if hubpages could implement what I am suggesting.

Read this- http://blog.hubpages.com/2011/12/how-to … fe-online/

They are worried themselves I guess.

Whatever. We got Christ!
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  Cassie Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've been to other forums and they are just as bad or worse. There's a whole bunch of haters and relativists and pluralists who talk smack because they don't understand or hate. New people can figure that out and they can interact with them or not.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Cassie Smith!
  
  ..I understand what you are trying to say. Thanks!
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Pcunixposted 12 years ago
A simple solution that many other forums have is the option to block users. You then can't see their comments or forum posts.

I can see why HP doesn't want to restrict forum use. I can't see why they won't give us the tools to block peope we don't want to listen to.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good idea friend!
  
  We need a hubpages staff to listen to this idea.
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  Debby Bruckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting option for the person who starts the forum post. Twitter has BLOCK messages, FaceBook has DELETE or HIDE messages. NING has moderate comments. And, even here on Hubpages we can Moderate and delete messages.
  
  Perhaps forums are considered differently. On YouTube you will find that most people will vote up the most amazing super videos. There will always be those rebellious types who want to be noticed by clicking "down" or just want to put a bad spin of everything. Everyone wonders why?
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  PC posted this 2 hrs after you started this thread. So to claim that your intent was to discuss Pc's ideas is a little silly. You started this thread to attempt to silence those YOU do not deem worthy to post. That is out of line and not within your power to control.
  
  You can always go back to the forums that allow you to do the things you seem to want to do.
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So, now you got the idea in your head?
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LeanManposted 12 years ago
If I want to ignore someone who posts ignorant rubbish to try to incite a reaction out of others - I just Ignore.. very simple - I don't need tools, or bans... Don't rise to the bait!!! People like that will only post if they get the reaction they want, if they don't get the reaction they have no reason to carry on posting!!!!
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  GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "If I want to ignore someone who posts ignorant rubbish to try to incite a reaction out of others"
  
  -Unfortunately, that's not ignoring, that's a tactic, and many people are not interested in spending time in tactics. They need an outright tool that will make the ' ignorant rubbish' vanish.
  
  Pcunix's idea is great. We need a staff to listen to this.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
  Perhaps YOU would like to determine the difference between a valid post and "ignorant rubbish". There is a tool.....scroll down and ignore the post. Censorship of dissent is not necessary!
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Peter Hogganposted 12 years ago
The first time someone interacts with HP it could well be a forum post to announce their presence and/or ask for help. Either way it would be discourteous to deny such interaction.
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  Sophia Angeliqueposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yuup, but when they've been here three years or six months and they still haven't written a hub?
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How about a hubber that has hundreds of hubs written and published, but does not want their writer's name affiliated with the stuff on the forums. That would not violate HP TOS as long as they stick with one account for the forums.
  
  It also would be a concern only to the person and the website. The rest of us would have no business intruding in to this relationship. If the hubber stays within TOS there is no need to have a published hub.
  
  What right would anyone else have for demanding that this be changed?
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I hadn't thought of that, RB. I wonder if there would be a way around it? Although if a Hubber is expressing their true opinions, why would he/she be ashamed of what they wrote on the forums?
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  example:
  
  Sales hubbers...It might not be conducive to buyers to disagree with the author of whose opinion on a product is about to be made? Seeing a different religious perspective in a forum may turn that buyer away forever. This does not reflect upon me, I have no sales hubs .
  
  My forum contributions enhance the bulk of my material. It took me over a year to see my moniker on the first page of Google.
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Muldaniaposted 12 years ago
I have just re-joined hubpages and tried to publish two hubs, which have both remained unpublished, because they are said to contain content already published on another site. As I have not published either on another site, I can only assume that someone else has published my articles as their own.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Google your content, it should appear in searches if someone else has it published?
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relacheposted 12 years ago
There were no forums for the entire first year I was on HubPages. It was nice and you could get a lot more work done.
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aguasilverposted 12 years ago
How about one hub gives you 100 forum posts?

We could start people of with 100 forum posts, but before they could write forum post 101, they would need to publish a hub, and get (say) a 70 hub-score.

Reality Bytes makes some good points, but it is annoying that people with NO hubs can just post and cause trouble.

For any established hub writer here, who wished to retain a separate forum identity, writing one hub per 100 forum posts would be no problem.

Hubpages makes money from clicks made on the hubs, the forums may be good for ranking, but there are no ads to click, hence no income returned.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If they cause trouble, report them. Some here can write more in a single quality post than others with 150 hubs combined, for example.
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psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago
And if they need help with their first hub?
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For the hundredth time, not apply the limits to Need Help", "Extreme Hub Makeover" etc.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  One of the thing they might need help with is knowing where to post. Or finding out whether this place is friendly enough to engage them. Or to research a subject area they wish to write a hub about.
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  When a newbie signed on, all it would take was an automatic message explaining their access rights:
  
  1 hub with a score over 70 will allow you to post 100 forum posts, until you reach that target, your access will be restricted to the following forums....
  
  Then a list of help forums.
  
  Simple, they can read anything, and participate in the help forums, they just cannot litter the real forums with their trolling, if they are a troll.
  
  It would do most newbies a world of good to NOT be able to enter some forums until they had seen how they work, the trolls love to gang up on newbies who speak openly and get 'troll banged'.
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Eaglekiwiposted 12 years ago
We all have our share of 'idiots' posting from time to time , but that it is mostly our perspective,on what we feel is stupid or ignorant.

It is a democracy and freedom of speech initiative (under T.O.S) AND I would decribe Hubpages as a writing site with extras

To disallow certain people to use the forum is maybe a tad snobbish and elitist.

I mean what if a hubber were a crappy writer and equally crappy forum poster ,yet we blocked a potentially inspiring author from posting in the forum, because they had not yet published.

Its good to have fresh blood running through the veins of HP...even if it shakes up the status quo (I think)
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's why it would have to be set up so new Hubbers could post in all the Hub-related forums, for help and feedback.
  
  I don't think it's necessary for a new writer to post on the topic-related threads in order to inspire them to write!
  
  And I also don't think it's snobbish and elitist to bar non-Hubbers from the other forums. Take a look at the people who are on the forums without Hubs - in the great majority of cases, they're a troll or at the very least, a stirrer. Barring non-Hubbers might disadvantage a rare genuine person, but that's what happens when you have rules.
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GoGreenTipsposted 12 years ago
For some reason I decided to read through the answers to this forum, or question. I guess I was bored,really don't feel like writing today... or some other strange reason. Irregardless I ran through the answers and I have a response.

Although I don;t respond often to these threads, I think it's good that Hubpages allows discussions to proceed unrestricted. It is also good that they allow even those comments on forums that many deem unimportant, as long as they are not threatening or profusely vulgar because this allows for more open discussion s even though we must at times sift through opinions we don't agree with or find strange.

I'm glad that hubpages allowed this discussion, and I hope that they allow all members to post forums and simply allow the hubpage community to determine if they want to respond or not.

Perhaps these people that you refer to keep posting because they get responses, even negative ones.

If you don;t like the forum question, or the answers simply scroll down or don't read or respond to the question.

Well enough said. I've checked in to hubpages, now I'm going to play some computer games.
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Eaglekiwiposted 12 years ago
Ugh ,too many rules in this world as it is

I agree with rules that serve to protect individuals,privacy for example. That makes sense to me.

But not being allowed on a forum because they havent published yet,makes no sense.
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Possibly you are correct, I personally either stay out of the forums, or just ignore those who are only here for trouble, but it is a two edged sword, and some rules would also protect newbies who jump in and get damaged, or get the wrong impression, when they are troubled by trolls and people with nothing else to do but play the forums.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I understand where youre coming from, and I well remember my first days -baptism of fire lol, it is not for the thin skinned ,but it tends to be the nature of online forums, or reflective of typical real life conflicts.
  
  In the real world however, discussion ,debate, opinion sharing,is not dependant on having first produced written work ,hence my thoughts, and hecklers (and idiots) are an just another part of the fabric of free expression.
  
  To be honest I could live with either format quite well,but it would be so much different ,almost not natural.
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Doubt we would see the difference, the trolls would simply adjust to the new rules and write on article to get their 100 posts, though for some of them it would mean writing one article a week, which is a small cost to them.
  
  But for newbies, getting that equality of posting would possibly encourage them to write a few hubs quickly, whilst being able to read, but not post, in the non help forums.
  
  It may bring a modicum of reserve to their posts when they started writing posts in the more troll haunted religious forums, and would give them some time to identify the trolls before the trolls had time to pounce on their newbie honesty and openness!
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Writer Foxposted 12 years ago
On HubPages, you can signup with more than one user name, so if it looks like a forum poster has never published a Hub, it probably isn't true. I think some people don't want to be identified/targeted using their main identity, so they just signup for a new one. It is my understanding that, according to the Terms of Service, only one identity may be used for posting on forums. But, on the other hand, because all of our forum postings show up on our profile page, I can understand why Hubbers might not want their personal rantings and complaints in forum comments to show. (I really don't like that, either.)
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The posts before and after your post (now reported, those posts, not yours!)) show why some ruling would make sense.
  
  pressreleaseping
  8 posts
  Joined: 24 minutes ago
  Hubs: 0
  Followers: 0
  
  Yet they get to post spam and can come back with impunity.
  
  Speaking personally, I write stuff that could easily cost me money in real life, where I make my money, as people can easily find my identity, and can see my businesses, if they are minimally internet savvy.
  
  But frankly, if people do not want to do business with me because of who I am, and how I openly post and write about my opinions, then they are better going elsewhere.
  
  Someone's level of transparency is a good guide to how they will behave in life and business.
  
  Hiding behind false identities does not sit well with me.
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  Writer Foxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, I saw that posting, too. Pure spam! Probably thought that was a followed link he was posting - which is wasn't.
  
  I understand your points. I tend to lean toward the "freedom of speech" position, within only a few limits.
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Agree, freedom of speech is something I fight for all the time, but all freedoms are actually privileges granted or gained, so whilst I applaud HubPages open forum policy, I would also welcome some conditional requirements to gain that freedom.
  
  Is it REALLY too much to ask that a hubber write ONE HUB for every 100 posts they make?
  
  For me that would mean I would need 26 hubs published, for you it would mean you could publish another 1345 posts before you needed to write another hub.
  
  For the trolls it would require minimal effort to keep their trolling options open, and we may even see some fine writing from them, rather than inane one liners with smiley faces that just show their scorn and inadequacy.
  
  We all know who the trolls are, and I have just decided to ignore them, as most seasoned hubbers also do, but they do prowl the forums hunting those who are newbies and they pounce to do their trolling.
  
  They are annoying and add nothing to the value of the HubPages experience.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  First of all, writing hubs and writing on the forums are two completely different things. Forums are forums, just like anywhere else, and anyone can join and post on them.
  
  Secondly, it would seem that those who actually have the least to contribute on the forums, who are unable to intelligently respond to others, who continually make up stuff and spread lies are those who complain the most of others here, calling them trolls, hecklers and idiots when they simply can't hold their own ground in a discussion as their opinions and beliefs get called out to face reality.
  
  And lastly, those who complain the most certainly appear to be the ones who don't actually practice what they preach.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You mean "aquasilver" is actually your real name and not a false identity?
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No I mean that aguasilver was a trading name I used, in a health product business I ran whilst living in Spain, and when I first joined, that became my name as I used my email address: aguasilver@gmail.com.
  
  The name was fixed, and as you cannot change your username, it has stayed that way for the last two years. Like most people, when I joined I was reluctant to put my full name down as my avatar name, not knowing what sort of folk live in the Hub, but I do not assume new identities to hide who I really am, and I assume Troubled man is a reference to your mental condition rather than your name?
  
  In my hubs I clearly provide sufficient information for anyone who is interested to find my birth name, and if anyone Google's Aguasilver, they will most probably find my various Linkedin and networking accounts, however to save you the problem, Troubled Man, whoever you are, my name is John Harper and I currently live in Penang, Malaysia, from where I manage companies which operate out of the Philippines and globally in my businesses.
  
  Care to be as transparent yourself?
  
  Or will you only try to defend your anonymity and right to post in the forums with no hubs published?
  
  John
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I do respect your not trying to hide behind an avatar even though we may disagree on some subjects, John.
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Randy, we only disagree on small matters!
  
  I guess we agree on transparency, which is a BIG matter, that's good enough for me.
  
  John
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we do agree on transparency, John. There's something futile in having a discussion with a personage who may simply be posting under different names with totally different opinions depending on their present particularly portrayed personae. (sorry about the 4 P's)
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No need to get excited, John.
  
  The entire point was to show that it's perfectly reasonable to submit requests for access to forum tools so that one may enhance their online experience. But, to take cheap shots, make accusations and start name calling is really not the best way to argue the case especially when you post comments like the one above.
  
  Personally, I don't care what someone calls themselves online, or what picture they place in their avatars, how many posts they've made or even how many hubs they've written. It doesn't matter here in the least, because if what they're saying in their posts is a wishy washy uninformed word salad, nonsensical fabricated gibberish or just plain gobbledegook, no amount of personal information submitted or number of hubs written is going to support their credibility, John.
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, in part I agree TM, it was a cheap shot, but hey, I'm human also.
  
  "It doesn't matter here in the least, because if what they're saying in their posts is a wishy washy uninformed word salad, nonsensical fabricated gibberish or just plain gobbledegook, no amount of personal information submitted or number of hubs written is going to support their credibility"
  
  But then again....
  
  It's good that at least when you come to defending your 'identity' you are prolific in writing, just a shame that it does not continue when you write your normal inane one liner replies with smilies.
  
  Anybody who bothers to look at your replies over the last 5 months and compare them to others, will clearly see that the vast majority of your 3000 posts (I guess you don't work, that's about 40 per day) are one liners with no content, just scorn and ridicule.
  
  If that is your understanding of what forum writing is about, it possibly explains why you are reluctant to write even one measly hub.
  
  I would guess that my credibility is witnessed by the new readers I pick up when I foray into the forums. Unfortunately I am normally too busy to waste my time in them, they are fun, and sometimes they can be informative, but they ARE spoilt by the trolls and hit and run artists that frequent them, and that's a shame.
  
  John
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  Dr. Haddoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very good writing and very good thinking, John. I like your calm mannerisms and level-headed approach to life. Some things go beyond religion.
  Dr. Haddox
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Writer Foxposted 12 years ago
Foxes bite trolls.
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  Michele Travisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I a very much a newbee. Only published a few hubs. Just a few responses. I would like to know what might interest people. I am not a very good writer which is why I am in the forums. They do help new hub people.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Write about what interests you, you are not alone. Once you pick a subject Google some of the keywords you plan on using. Google will suggest many long tailed keywords you might want to try and incorporate in to your hub.
  
  Other then that just write, and have fun.
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  Michele Travisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, I will do that
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  Michele Travisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well I just wrote a hub!
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  Dr. Haddoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Michele, you are a wonder person. I am so proud of you. You are doing well in this new adventure of yours, writing Hubs. Think about your wonderful life, Michele, what you have seen and what you are doing, and write about it. I would love to hear about what you have say. Keep in touch. "As you go, Peace." Dr. Haddox
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  Dr. Haddoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very good. Dr. Haddox
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goldentoadposted 12 years ago
In the end, it doesn't matter who posts what in the forums, as eventually the subject will come up again...so even if you get the chance to humiliate someone, and waste ten hours of your life doing it, someone without a life will come and start another forum thread, with the same kind of question, just to get some attention. I am here, only because I have insomnia and didn't want to think. Mostly everyone here is anonymous anyways, so who cares if its a faceless stranger or someone with a nice profile pic and a hundred hubs...
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  aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hope you slept well after this my friend.
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  Dr. Haddoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the commit, aguasilver. Dr. Haddox
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  Dr. Haddoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting and thought provoking. You are a deep thinker. Very good. Very good indeed. Dr. Haddox
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  goldentoadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I see you guys got nowhere with this. Eventually you'll learn. It all depends though on that learning curve... Best of luck with wasting your time on hubpage forums trying to establish intellectual dominance.
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cat on a soapboxposted 12 years ago
I don't think rules should be made to protect people's feelings; so the discussion (bickering) over how to prevent those who haven't written hubs from posting on forums is ridiculous to me. There will always be hotbed issues that instigate contentious dialogue- religion being one of them. If one is too timid for these forums, then stay out. Another solution: stop fueling the fiery rage of others. No one is going to win. I welcome lively banter and find it stimulating. Perhaps, it will open my mind. I don't care if someone posts w/o writing hubs, using a pseudonym or not. I do have to wonder though: if a person has such strong opinions, why NOT write a hub?
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  Dr. Haddoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  cat on a soapbox, You are so correct. Your advice, to me and to others, "To stop fueling the fiery rage of others," is very good advice indeed. I will take your advice. Thank you. Dr. Haddox
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