I will admit right off the bat I don't think my comparative studies between having HP ads on versus off have been very scientific. However, I am NOT impressed with my earnings when I have HP ads on. What I make with them on I consider a terrible Google Adsense day. So, I'm giving up on them and sticking with Adsense only. Am I the only one left?
I have used Adsense only for months. I got nowhere with HP Ads. But I made money with the Adsense ads.
Since the "season" for my money making hubs is closing down from their peak time, I may consider trying HP Ads one month to see if they have improved any.
It seemed when I had the HP Ads, they did not match my content. So I had no reason to use them in the past.
Nope, I used HP Ads for a week, I was enabled during the second wave when they began rolling out the program for a few hundred hubbers at a time. This was April last year but I didn't like anything affecting my Adsense either, I like the way Adsense goes straight into my bank.
Well, I'm not the only one then... I feel so restless with them on, fearing I'm missing one of those insanely great Adsense days... the kind of days I'd never get with HP ads alone. Guess I'm a thrill seeker.
No I have them off too. Had them on quite a few times but always takes away too much money from my Adsense earnings. I have to get about another 10 dollars I think to reach payout and then that is it.
On average it was 1 to 2 dollars on HP Ads and 2 to 4 Euro on Adsense. When HP ads were off I got on average 9 to 15 euro a day so no contest really. I put it on last month for about 10 days to try to reach the payout but my earnings were too far down.
But I suppose really it depends on the hubs you write. I am sure certain hubs would bring in a decent amount of earnings from HP ads. Depends what HubPages is advertising.
Maybe those who do very well with HP ads could let us know as well.
I have never turned off HPAds. I want to experiment, but I'm earning 5X more on HPAds than Adsense so I'm afraid to rock the boat. I'm getting Adsense paycheck every two months, even with the new HPAds layout, so I'm happy with that. Would I make more money on Adsense if I turn off HPAds? I don't know.. but considering Adsense requires clicks and HPAds just views, most probably not. So I will leave it be... for now anyway.
"Guess I'm a thrill seeker"
Yes, Hub Ads is less exciting than Adsense. You get your earnings figure once per day and it remains within certain parameters - no really wild fluctuations. It took me a while to get used to living without the ongoing rollercoaster of Adsense earnings, but although Hub Ads are a little boring, they do earn me more money on average.
Totally boring! But, in my case not as profitable. I seem to make about $50 more with Adsense alone than with HP ads turned on. I wonder why it's different from hubber to hubber. Is it topics? Sheer traffic numbers? I wonder...
I have other websites where it is Adsense only, but the CPM is much lower than the Hub Ads rate, even when I factor in the 40% that HP extract from my pages' total earnings.
It's quite feasible for someone who knows what they're doing to do better with Adsense, however, which is why I'm glad that we have the choice! ;-)
I have considered doing an experiment and switching off Hub Ads for say a month, but my traffic is so up and down nowadays it's difficult to find a good time. Plus I am concerned about missing out financially.
Making the choice is soooo difficult, isn't it? When I switch them off, I feel stressed. When I switch them on, I'm sure I'm missing out on great money. It haunts me, really. It starts to feel like playing the stock market!
As I said, I'm NOT totally convinced I've done the best case study here. It's hard to do an accurate one, really. Especially since I'm continually adding new hubs. So, I rely on CPM... which is better with Google ads alone.
With HP ads on, my best hubs' earnings are just obliterated.
The way to do it, Paul, is to switch off HPads for the month and then calculate your CPM for total income. Add together HPad income, adsense (and even Amazon if you want to) and divide it by the views.
Do that again for a month with HPads off.
Compare the two CPM values. The income may vary because of varying traffic, but the CPM should tell the tale.
I understand that, wilderness. I was trying to say that the problem is that there hasn't really been a good 2 months when my traffic hasn't been disrupted in some major way by Google, or the introduction of subdomains, or seasonal factors, since the Hub Ads were introduced. The Oct-Dec run up to Xmas can't be easily compared with the month or 2 imediately following Xmas, because of what the advertisers are willing to pay.
The varying traffic can effect the CPM, because the weighting of it towards specific types of hub at certain times of year can have a major effect.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, wilderness, just stating how difficult it is. All in all, I'll probably stick with Hub Ads, but if I could choose the ads for individual hubs, rather than a one-size-fits-all, I would prefer it. :-)
I don't know about the others but post panda I see a lot of low CPC values from adsense clicks generated on my other websites.
My HubPages ad earnings are so low, I've just recently turned off my HP ads to see what I get with AdSense alone.
I have never tried HPads, I did have my highest Adsense earning month ever in January. January is the first month that I made a payout in one lunar cycle.
I don't have HP ads on either. The few times I tried my Adsense tanked so fast, it was unbelievable. January was a great
month for me and February is doing pretty well so far. Not about to rock the boat!
So it seems there is a split jury here. My adsence (aka ad-cents) is miserable, but HP is consistant and a higher monthly total than I ever earned with AS. A little Amazon is ok, too.
I do very well on HP Ads, but it never fails to amaze me how many people still don't understand just why their Adsense earnings drop dramatically when they go on to HP Ads! Of course they do, your adverts drop to just one from Adsense per page, the point is at the end of the month do you earn more? In my case I earn well into 3 figures a month from HP Ads, another 2 figures from Adsense. I would not expect Adsense income to stay at the same levels if I am dramatically reducing the amount of advert space they have in favour of HP Ads (even though many of those Ads are Adsense at a glance, they are being paid out by HP Ad programme). On HP Ads the only Adsense block paid out by Adsense is the last one on the bottom right of each Hub, which seems to be something not being allowed for by those who say their Adsense earnings drop when they use HP Ads.
Personally I am definitely much better off overall on HP Ads, and I did try the whole 'turning it off for a month' experiment to check this out and make proper comparisons.
Exactly. It's almost an either/or equation, since with HP Ads enabled, you have only one Adsense slot available. All that matters is your combined monthly total.
I, too, felt uncomfortable with HP Ads at first - I missed the stats available through Adsense. Then I started to earn income through HP Ads and learned to stop worrying about it. I did try a month with/a month without and my combined earnings with HP Ads was far better than Adsense alone.
I understood that when I've tried HP ads (and I didn't do horribly with them, by any means), but the HP ads averages combined with the lowered AS averages still didn't amount to some of my common averages with AS only - not by a long shot. Over the course of a month, and with things like traffic changes or my switching (that type of thing) it's been hard to see an actual monthly comparison because the most recent HP ads trial was exactly one full month, but no other full months.
I think who does better with which "plan" can depend on the kind of subjects a person writes about, and whether they lend themselves well to the HP ads.
I agree Lisa, I just keep on seeing people (not necessarily you) in different threads saying 'I don't use HP Ads because my Adsense earnings drop dramatically when I do'. The reason for this is so obvious to anyone who checks the way the adverts are split between Adsense only and HP Ads and Adsense combined, that it warrants pointing out each time why this is the case, and why the only figure that matters is the overall earnings, not the Adsense earnings.
I've tried HP ads a couple of times. The earnings with that and AS versus AS only can sometimes be pretty close, but I settled back to Ad Sense only. There can be a pattern with AS only, and if I don't do anything to mess up the pattern (for example, switch to HP ads or make some other big change across my stuff), a good pattern is something I like to stick with. If some big, dramatic, thing happens with either of the programs I may switch; but for now, I've just decided to be happy with AS only and aiming/hoping to have more and more of those substantially high days and averages that, for me, aren't usually a lot different from the HP ads/AS combo high's.
HP ads are working excellent for me since the time I have turned them on. The earnings are superb, and I would recommend everyone who has more than 10000 plus page views per day to immediately switch on HP ads. I would like to tell you that at 10000+ traffic you will be earning between 25 to 27 dollars on a daily basis only on HP. The adsense income is again there for you. It's very simple, with HP ads turned on, you can immediately bank upon on your income as they are based on page views whereas you can never imagine what day is going to be tomorrow for you if you will remain with adsense on and HP turned off, as adsense ads are based on clicks. I think you got my point.
I agree with your figures Soni. -- I have not been here quite as long as you, do not have the huge number of hubs or views that you have, but-- proportionately (with 1/8 of the hubs and less than 1/10 of the views) I would say that my daily earnings are equivalent,( about 1/8 of yours) and I'm happy with that.
People need to realize that 'aging', and numbers of hubs (that get views) are the keys to earnings. Simple as that.
If I ever multiple my views 5 fold, I will use HP Ad program lol
Misty, I get why the Adsense income dropped dramatically, but the fact was, I wasn't making any money off of HP at all. Pennies, maybe. Simple as that. I can make more money faster with Adsense than with HP ads. I think it has alot to do with the type of articles I write. Half the time the HP ads had absolutely nothing to do with my articles which I think detracts from their credibility.
Rochelle is right, it does have to do with the time your hubs are up and how long it takes for them to get established. It took 8 months here before I started seeing some income.
Not sure why everything has to develop into a debate here. Each person's experience is going to be different depending on what they write, how they get traffic to their articles, and yes, the quality of what they write.
I do see dips on some days with Adsense, but the good days outweigh the bad in my opinion. Each to his or her own!
There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that you are correct in the the topic affects the earnings, not only for specific hubs but in a general way.
To see this you only have to look back a couple of months to when HPads was running the Drano ads on "home" category hubs. The CPM for those hubs was phenomenal but fell by 50% when the Drano campaign ended. This is going to happen on a continual basis as the advertisers signed up by HP change - types and styles of hubs will see an increased earnings level that comes and goes with the advertisers.
Oh don't get me wrong, for some people I totally agree Adsense works better than Hub Ads, I suspect sales hubs work better with Adsense, and informative Hubs work better with Hub Ads. It does take time for Hubs to become successful, and like you my earnings didn't start to take off until I had been on HP for about 8 months ++. It was well over a year before I hit payout. What I was saying was that in many threads (not just this one), I see people refer to their reasoning behind not using HP Ads is that when they do their Adsense drops dramatically. I suspect many of these people don't realise the way the adverts are distributed, and why it is only logical that Adsense would drop if most of the adverts are suddenly paid out from HP's Ad program instead. Fortunately you are not one of those people who doesn't know this, but there are many who could benefit from being made aware of this
As shown below the bottom left image for anyone unaware is the Adsense only layout of adverts (all in blue), the bottom right image is Hubpages Ad program split, the only blue advert being the one remaining Adsense one.
How unfortunate that the adverts appear at the bottom right is often not related to the article content, resulting in low Adsence income. Is there a way to change the advert such that only the related advert is displayed ?
I have only been running HPAds for a little less than a month and for me they are within a dollar or two a day of straight Adsense.
No real difference.
BUT, I am far from getting the eBay ads implemented on all my Hubs.
I hate threads like this, because then I go back to experiment with HPads on/off.
My traffic levels are now lower than they were 18 months ago with a fraction of the hubs, but my adsense earnings then were higher than I am now getting with HPads/adsense combined.
Any time I have tried to switch HPads off, my Adsense has not recovered.
So I kept it on.
Last night, I switched HPads off, but only for a couple of hours.
Today I find I am on half earnings, and half earnings takes me well under the dollar mark
It was only off for two hours and in that time I hardly got any visits, so how come my total visitor number has dropped by half according to HPads?
Just a guess Izzy, because I am not sure exactly what you mean about your views being 'half', but is this section from the FAQ a possible answer:
"Why are my Ad Program impressions lower than my Hub views?
The reported Ad Program impressions are lower than your Hub views. These numbers are not supposed to be the same. In general, for every 1000 Hub views, you should be seeing about 600 Ad Program impressions. This is explained in further detail in our impression sharing program.
Ad Program reports are on a calendar day basis, whereas Hub views are based on a moving 24-hour window. However, if you view your report looking at a longer period like "month views," these numbers should be fairly close. Some other things to keep in mind:
Some of your Hub views could be from people using ad blocking software/plugins, so in that case, ad impressions will not register.
Hub views that happen in the HubHopper are not considered Ad Program impressions since there are no ads on Hubs in the HubHopper.
Some people might click away from your Hub too quickly before all ads are displayed.
Ads are disabled or you have your Ad Level Setting set to "None" on some of your Hubs"
Oh no I didn't mean that - I know HPads views are always way lower than total HP views.
Normally my HPad views are pretty much the same day to day.
Yesterday those views were half the normal (and I'm only talking about the views shown in HPads) while the ads were only turned off for two hours, and even then, not a time when I get most views.
I'm wondering if perhaps they stayed off even although it says 'active'.
Didn't HP staff say something earlier about taking away the ability to switch it off and on too frequently?
Either way, I'll know tomorrow.
Strange then, I will be interested to see your results tomorrow. Perhaps a longer test would be a good idea, e.g. 24 hours or even a week.
A two hour test sounds like a bad methodology to me. How can you test something as complex and variable as web traffic in just a miniscule two hour sample?
I switched off my HP ads at the beginning of this month and am going to leave them off for the entire month to see how they perform.
So far, in four days, I've made almost as much money from AdSense as I made for the entire month of January. If that holds up, it's going to mean I earn much more from AdSense alone than I did using HubAds and AdSense combined.
That is excellent to hear! I might try it again in March, but for the whole month, not just a week or even, 2 hours...
I am with Izzy here.
I began with both then freaked out I was losing money, even if it was a couple of cents, switched to AS only, then switched them on (HP) in January, now I am getting 3 x as much traffic due to what I don't know. Time? Now I read this and want to shut it off again. ARGGG!
I see more daily earnings with HP ads than AS, but I thought is was based on impressions not clicks with Hp.
I am officially confused, again.
HP Ads earnings are based on views (impressions), you are correct. Adsense earnings are based on clicks. It seems hubs designed to sell stuff do better on clicks, and hubs designed to answer questions e.g. how to, why, where, what etc, do better on impressions/views. Hope this helps
I think you could be on to something here, Misty... I mean about the types of hubs that seem to fare better with Adsense only. I've been suspecting the same thing. No way to be sure, of course... But, about the best hypothesis I've been able to come up with, too.
Yes that helps a great deal. That makes a lot of sense. I guess for me the amount that each accredits my views/impressions equals out to pay the same. While it may only appear in pennies it really comes down to the traffic. As it may feel like pennies a day it can add up once the traffic is by the thousands per day. I see my traffic beginning to steady out and for my hubs HP ads apply better. Although lately some of the ads are a bit way off as to complying with my overall subject. At any rate your explanation is awesome, Thank You!
Aaargh again! Now you're making me think I should try switching HP Ads off for a trial, because my views are way down.
I still don't fully understand the Adsense part of Hubpages. I have it on, and connected to my Adsense account in my HubPages settings, but i don't have a clue where to find how much im earning on Adsense.
If its on the Adsense account - then where? I have ads on my own sites going too, and they work fine on it - but i never see anything from Hubpages.
Thanks a lot.
You can add your HubPages profile as a channel within Adsense. You can add individual hubs as well, but that gets fiddly if you've got more than a few hubs, and there's a maximum number of channels anyway.
You could also try learning the arcane ways of Google Analytics. It's bloody complicated, but you do get lots of nice graphs.
I use analytics anyway And does it show up your income if you set it up as a channel?
Yes, you can go into URL Channels and tell it to look at a specific date range, e.g. the past 30 days (the default is the previous day). It shows data like no. of views, no. of clicks, CTR & those all-important earnings.
Even if you use Analytics, it's still useful to have Adsense channels set up for each of your main URLs, because it's so much quicker to get a global overview of how much each of your sites have earned in the past month or whatever.
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