I have recently been having traffic issues and believe it is because this site novellosrl.it has infringed on hubber's works. Do a google search for:
and you will see that a lot has been copied including the Hubpages copyright infringement policy. Interferena.net appears to be the Italian hosting company responsible and I have emailed them in regards to this.
Now reading this and then the last message I am totally confused as to what is happening.
Eventually, the dust will settle. Meanwhile, why worry about things beyond our control.
Welcome to HubPages! It can be confusing at times.
Welcome to HubPages, you have joined at an interesting time.
In general, I am less confused than a lot of people. I am just more willing to admit to it.
What are you confused about mate? You claim to be a software technician who just published a hub on Spyware, why would a proxy like this confuse you?
The proxy here was written by one of your peers.. a James Marshall... - a San Fran boy.. maybe you know him?
I have put something on my profile page that will upset them lol
I published hub about 30mins ago and its already on that site
How did this happen?
againsttheodds...thank you for your attentiveness!! I may have never known about this had you not created this forum post!
Pneumatica Oleodinamica Vuoto Idraulica Utensili Sicurezza Contatto
Interesting - Yep THE WHOLE SITE - WTF !!
All Our Traffic - our hubs - logins etc
What are you up to Hub Pages??
This is Serious BS... and It's Not Good Enough!
WTF do we do, PD? My browser can'f find the host of these thieving *&^%$
I believe it is interferenza.net (spelled it wrong originally)
WOW! That takes a lot of you know what to do something like that. I have never seen anything like that. Was this reported in "report a problem" to Hubpages?
Have just email the HP team and told them. Never heard of a whole site being pilfered before!
This is not a new idea. The technology to copy entire websites is as old as the web itself. Blackwidow was a commercially available program that would do this quite easily.
The point is not to log in via this site as then they have your details.
Well Done mate! - This is in Real Time as well - they have scraped the entire site... All our Links the lot... personal details every thing shared with HP!
I have been warning them about this BS for over a year and these guys have been running a DUPLICATE Mirror Site since they went online on 18 November 2011 = So they certainly have been Bunting Us!
I suggest Someone in the US RINGS HP - Maybe Paul E Directly and Informs them That way! Don't forget.. your personal email sites etc could also have been Hacked!
ALSO.... They can monitor and have a copy of everything that we are discussing on this site!
So... DON'T Change P/Ws or anything UNTIL This site - The Real One has been secured again!
This may explain all the foul ups last in the last few weeks. hubpages must be aware of this and that they are constantly being hacked. The hackers are looking for loopholes to exploit. Hopefully hubpages will learn where their vulnerabilities are and fix them?
I tried to inform the host about it, but they want my phone number. No way that is happening so HP can sort it.
You are right, it is real time. I tried to "log in" but couldn't but clicked on forums and everything was showing. That is CRAZY!
You Should have got this Message!
Retrieval of secure URLs through a non-secure proxy is forbidden.
This proxy is running on a non-secure server, which means that retrieval of pages from secure servers is not permitted. The danger is that the user and the end server may believe they have a secure connection between them, while in fact the link between the user and this proxy is insecure and eavesdropping may occur. That's why we have secure servers, after all.
This proxy must run on a secure server before being allowed to retrieve pages from other secure servers.
SO............ They Are As VULNERABLE As WE ARE!
ALL OUR WORK
This could all just be a type of proxy site where you can view sites through a proxy and then no one knows where you're really at.
People do it to hide what they do online or if they're doing blackhat marketing.
What makes me say that is the giant extra header up top... I've seen other proxy sites do that so you know you're viewing the site through the proxy and are "protected"
Otherwise I have no idea what that site is.
Whatever way you look at it, that site is getting a lot of hits from us alone? maybe we should think about it a little more.
Thank god I just fixed Google chrome.
Why would you try and log-in to a fraudulent site? Do you want to just hand them the access info to your account here?
And has anyone emailed admin about this? They are in the best position to deal with something this major, especially if the site is stealing their proprietary content and not just material from users...
I am going through all of my Hubs (luckily I only have 7 published) adding a text box at the top stating that unless they are being read on Hubpages.com that they are reading stolen content.
I did get that message. To be completely honest with you I really don't know what all that means. I'm really not tech savvy at all. But I do know that this entire site being copied is not a good thing at all.
Is the HubPages site actually being copied? Or is it simply running inside an i-frame on the remote site? The latter we have seen before.
Yep WE it may well be that as the timing keeps slipping as our forum posts become more frequent. I'm watching side - side screens... HP - Proxy
Could Someone in the US RING Paul or the Office and talk to them Directly please?
AND JUST FOR SUSAN and everyone else wondering How A Banned Person Sent Mail!
NOW You Know that the Kikilari character was posting the 'mail' from the Dupe Site... Perhaps that was setting the scene for this end game... Well Mate if you're reading this.... it's party time!
It means that these guys have rented a shitload of server space and as cheaply as they can are redirecting ALL Genuine HP Traffic away from here and into the the Kansas Rabbit Hole... and they are in control of here!
Where are the members of this community disappeared to?
What a Rought... I thought Paul and co were smarter than this! Someone has really Nailed HP with this!
All I can think about is.... HERE WE Go Again!
My article, or the opening paragraphs thereof, at wattsupwiththat.com has appeared at other websites as well. But in each case, the other sites were upfront about where the original article came from. I take it that this new entity is less open in that respect.
Well relache as I've already stated I am not as tech savvy as some people and I guess in my stupidity and the 3 am hour I didn't really think about that. I was just trying to see if I was able to access my account page through the site. I think that they already are well on their way to accessing plenty of info. But thanks for the heads up for next time!
And in the thread above WD said an email had been sent to HP.
If you are logged into your account here it shows you all the details on that site too... so you really don't have to log in there... I hope we have some better understanding of what is happening here soon... Staff wake up!
Assume the worst.... I believe these guys may have gone online sine November 2011 - if they had set remote control of here then - which over the period 3 months + without the bugs being found by HP's Tech Team... Then assume your personal data may well have been accessed Lisa.
Anyone seen that wolf - (the banned one) back again in the last couple of days?
The link on my profile to my website brings their banner up across the top of my page.
Which for those of us not qualified to fly a space shuttle means?
That means that HP has been hacked - probably by the same gang who are hacking stuff all over the place to try and whip a public froth about hacking !! and of course this dulls down the objections so that when SOPA comes up in a slightly different guise they can get it through without any problem.
Very Likely Mate!
How HP DO ACT - or Don't Act will certainly point to something along those lines!
This cgi was set on 18 November 2011 - What Does That Say About the Security Here!
(And all the 'How To Increase Your Traffic' posts while it's being redirected! )
Yes 2uesday - EXACTLY!
It looks like I was correct in what I was saying above and a proxy does NOT mean that a site was hacked... go to a site like Proxify and you can browse, through that site (a proxy) anonymously, ANY site on the internet!
It doesn't change the site you're browsing, it doesn't hack it or hurt it... you're just browsing it in a way that the site you're browsing can't track your true IP address.
As far as I can see there is nothing to worry about - the site wasn't hacked.
Perhaps someone couldn't access the site from their location, maybe they got banned, maybe they were planning to spam or do something shady... or maybe they are just providing people who can't normally view HubPages due to their location (country or maybe they're at work or school where the site is blocked), a way to see the site.
Either way, I'm not worried.
That's a wonderful explanation... which almost makes me feel sorry for these thieving pricks! Who gives a rat's butt what THEIR Reason for redirecting OUR TRAFFIC is! This Breaches My Copyright as well as yours!
If they are manipulating traffic, serps, login details, passwords, signups, hubber's pages, etc... They ARE acting in a Fraudulent Manner and they are doing so With or Without HP's agreement... BUT They don't Have MINE and possibly You haven't consented to this either!
Why Don't we ASK HP if this is part of their overall SEO program
Why Don't we JUST REJOICE... we are getting Screwed again!!
HP NEED To Claw back some REAL CREDIBILITY Here and The Least they can do is Shut This Proxy Down... And if that's of no consequence to the site there are enough writers here that Are Worried about this regular raping!
Follow the bouncing ball and it is VERY EASY to Ditch this Flea!
Let's Get Real huh? You either Accept BS or You Don't.... This this is BS!
They aren't redirecting our traffic... all the links that come into your work right now go straight to your hubs. I'm willing to bet whoever set up the proxy didn't go through and get a ton of links to every single proxy page, so there's no way they're going to outrank you.
And when you view the site through that proxy you are still viewing the actual HubPages... you're just doing it through a proxy. All the content isn't on their site and the traffic is redirected through the proxy to our content, not to a duplicate version.
Sure, the proxy should probably be taken down... and I'm sure HP will handle it once someone's back in their office, since it has to do with the whole site.
But it's nothing to get hysterical over at the moment... I mean it's been up for how long and the sky hasn't fallen... Oops, I mean the site hasn't crashed.
I really don't think blaming this proxy site for random dips in people's traffic is accurate, but that's just me.
Oh I can Assure You Mate... That I am NOT getting hysterical over this Specific Issue! I personally see Nothing Positive about having my hard work scraped, republished or manipulated by parties without my consent! You might understand my emotional standing if you consider this: I do not condone rape and would do anything within my power to ensure that where possible I will remove, surgically or otherwise, the rapist's equipment and ability to rape! Perhaps we feel differently on that!
As far as these turkeys are concerned... this is deeper than what is currently being discussed! This is not merely some poor soul in the back country of BSland who needed a proxy to help a school kid's education.. as you would have us believe.. Get Real!
This is one part of at least a two part strategic play... And irrespective of ANY Justification... it is intentional, non consensual and against the interests of the bulk of writers here! Does that sound Similar to what one would go through in the act of rape?
I don't Need Your Sarcasm or justification for this sort of rubbish mate... How many times in the last 4 Years have our hubs been Raped in one form or another?
I gave examples as to why the proxy could have been created, what the proxy really is and I'm not justifying that it exists.
All I'm saying is nothing will change until someone is in the office to fix it... so just wait to see what happens.
And rape has nothing to do with this and you trying to equate what I was saying to me being OK with people being raped is ridiculous.
Google Panda was BS... so was the Google sandboxing after the subdomains switched in but there's no reason for HubPage writers to start fighting with each other when you're mad at someone who made a proxy site... not me.
I gave you the facts on proxies and my thoughts and we could easily equate what happened to someone clubbing baby seals or pushing old ladies down the stairs and say that anyone who's not in line with your beliefs is OK with either of those two things.... but I think it's a lot easier and more logical to realize that no one really wants that proxy site up and we all look forward to it being taken down.
I have contacted the hosting company with no response. I will take a further look today, but since there is much of hubpages being duplicated in the serps I would say that they can also do something to have this removed. As far as the drop in traffic I can say for certain that one of my pages is no longer showing in the serps due to duplicate content and have a feeling that this has hurt my other pages. It is unclear whether their proxy is doing this intentionally maliciously or not but I believe it is having an effect. Further, there is no need to blame the proxy developer as it has legitimate uses. The cgi proxy serp hijacking is a known issue that has been used for years. I agree there is no need to get crazy hysterical about this though.
It means that Hub Pages can KICK some BUTT Seriously if they consider it important enough! It means that this was inevitable and that it has been an intentional action by a party that isn't that smart and has probably hung his Proxy Server provider out to dry... if HP Want To Kick Some Butt... and it means that even though a proxy has been used here... they have left their footprints and fingerprints all over the crime scene - IF HP WANT TO KICK THEIR BUTTS!
So HP needs to ACT - THIS is not something you waste time with... And it's already been 3 months!
It explains the 'Sandbox' traffic effect to some degree also..
From Pearldiver's earlier post -
18th of November - is that not about the time when some hubbers started to see a their traffic drop? Maybe it was this that caused it and not a Google change.
Until they DO act, I for one will not be posting any new Hubs.
Oh god when I tried to log on about 60 mins ago. I got a messaage saying "Down for Maintenance ,try later ?
Was that Hubpages for real Im wondering ,or have we all been diverted?
This does not mean that Hubpages has been hacked in any way. The server at novellosrl.it is simply running a cgi proxy that is hijacking the serp results from various Hubpages users. By redirecting a proxy page to the actual content when the googlebot queries the domain can cause the other original pages to drop from the serps. It looks like the site may be doing this in order to sell things from their catalog since the home page looks to be an Italian store with many products. Just to be safe, anyone who logged in or tried to log in through the proxy should change their Hubpages password.
Can't you publish a tiny little hub? I promise to post a comment.
Well... since you asked so nicely, I will see what I can do, WSE :
Thanks. I will keep a lookout. Short hub, long comment combo, maybe...
Will write a Hub on a subject that should be spread as widely as possible. That WOLF mutt can help get the message out
novello srl - (Venezia - Mestre) - P.Iva 02783670272
In ottemperenza alla Legge comunitaria del 2008 - L.n.88/09
We placed all into a blind trust and we've ceded the trust to the trustee: God.
We will function as an ethernal perfect Machine in a present imperfect world.
Like an Industrial Machine.
All rights, God.
Say No More - Sort That NutBar WOLF Out!
This message from God was on their site...
It is Uninvited Writer's wolf friend!
What's Google's Take on God Stealing Site Contents I wonder?
Of Course No one Should Worry about this sort of BS.... It's all about giving God access to our work and our serps
"Who let the dog out" woof woof woof
Ohhhhh so he added tons of people so he could trapse his muddy paws all over the place!!! which is why he could participate while still banned...ohhhhh...
Its real time I searched for my profile there and replied to a forum thread it updated within seconds so who knows whether its a frame as others suggested
Interestingly they are also into My Redgage Account also!
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http%3A%2F%2Fpearldiver.hubpages.com%2F - For ME this bit feels like Rape!
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- As I said... I Don't Accept Rape... Or cookies via proxies!
To use a British coloqualism#
I am utterrly gobsmacked
Wakey wakey Paul and team from your gentle slumbers and tell us what this all means..
How does someone steal a whole site? I visited the bastards and there on the front is my hub of the day. What the hell is wrong with these freaking people. Do they know how hard we have to work? Writing quality articles is hard work. I could just punch them in the face. I hate thieves, and I especially hate online thieves because I can't get to squeeze their freaking necks.....haaa...vented!
Their Necks are easy to find... anywhere in the world!
And with the appropriate piece of Legal paperwork their proxy provider's Fducked as well! Bad News isn't it?
It is a mirror 'Copy' of the site and is intended to be anonymous (via the proxy structure)... but it hasn't been done very well.
I personally think that this party has a serious issue with HP... not the writers.. although there seems to be a religious self righteousness attached to this lot, as was thrown at many via that banned poster writing directly on the proxy site after getting banned on this one. - to do that.. he had to have sign in ability with the proxy site.
This situation sickens me to the core. I have spent over a week trying to get my stolen articles on other sites removed. Some successfully, some not!
Now this I never even thought that a whole site could be stolen. That shows how naive I am!
It's a proxy and I believe it was written by a guy in San Fran... Maybe the TEAM can walk down the road and lynch the techie culprit.. Maybe the Team can MAKE A STATEMENT. Maybe the Team will act the same way as the last time we were scraped and suggest ways to increase our traffic! Maybe...
maybe... it's too hard
maybe... it will just go away?
This is a huge concern and I see nobody from management commenting in this form. How many of us are about to DELETE our account? I have to seriously consider it, this is an invasion of everything everyone has worked so hard for here to make work and now all of us are being exposed and hacked. Passwords and other valuable information infringed upon. Our traffic being redirected is not KEWL at all. SO UNLESS THE OWNERS of this site can swiftly correct this huge problem, a vacation from this site is a priority.
I'm going to follow this thread to see what happens now. Why even have a password if it doesn't protect us from things like this?
I think I worked out what it is.
It's a proxy designed to allow people to read our hubs...without getting the ads, so nobody gets any money. Everything shows up except the ads.
However, I do not think they are actually getting our personal data this way. They're just stripping the ads and putting it in a frame. I doubt they're getting hold of our login information.
I'm not too worried.
I couldn't find these guys by searching on Hubpages.com, my own name or my most popular hub. They can only steal our traffic if they can GET traffic.
I also e-mailed the team and I am sure the dust will settle. They will look into it and provide an update. I agree with Website Examiner and all others, let's just wait to see what it is all about. It could be a number of things.
I searched and found 105 results on Google and non on yahoo or Bing.
The Issue is: For What Purpose.
Looking closely at it.. the proxy wasn't even loaded in an SSL - https: structure - so it is not on a secure server and therefore doesn't (allow) have the ability to allow anyone to log into any part of the site here that is secure - eg: Profile, Account, Earnings details.
It is able to be used as a phishing site though and that should be of some concern. It can also be used as the vehicle to scrape our hubs, without leaving any indication of that on This Site. That is a major... as they can repackage our work at their leisure.
The question is as I said - What is the Real Purpose of this violation?
It's far more than serps manipulation... there are a lot of potential dollars to be made here from ebooks and alike... Stripping out the ads would indicate to me that they are scraping for the purpose of...?????
While they have remote access.. they have the ability to steal from us! END OF STORY... they need to be Taken Down asap and any backup files destroyed.
Good if it has been pulled... BUT That Is Not The End!
In this case - silence is not golden. Why do I feel like we are pawns in a game of chess.
Because... We Are! Don't forget these guys have had the ability to completely strip whatever they wanted to for over 3 months - with No Interference from HP or us.... Now that is a worry!
I'd say we're working in a writing world that hasn't righted itself yet. That is, content on the internet is still easy to copy. Throw in that Communist China, and other countries, don't recognize property rights the way the rest of the world does, and it really gets tricky.
I'll be honest, whenever I've written anything on the internet, I never assumed it wouldn't be copied. What's happening now is that there is money to be made with the content we produce, but the author isn't likely to see much of it. Professional marketers, advertisers, content platforms, and scrapers are far better equipped to monetize it than we are.
Until it's determined what is ours and what's not, on the internet, nothing will change. It hasn't changed since I've been using the internet (since its creation). Perhaps having your professionally optimized site could bring in some dollars, but then, I see some former site owners on HubPages, too.
This BS Site HAS NOT Been Taken Down - It is still there in all it's glory!
Maybe HP can ACT on this!
I sure hope so Pearldiver! I've been following this closely. The site is still there. I haven't clicked the link, because I'm uncertain what harm, or good for that matter it will do.
I wish HubPages would at least make a formal announcement regarding this, including their acknowledgement that it has happened, and at least to possibly quash any fears or reservations that anyone may have.
The whole site is in Italian.I clicked on a few headlines and everything has been translated. Does this qualify for duplication in Googles eyes?
there's a top heading above the hub pages heading :Novello and more topics in Italian..
I tried to sign in and received the message that it s non secure server..
It's illegal to copy, reproduce, or translate your work without approval from you. I've never seen an exception to that rule, unless stated in the author's site policy.
It's there, but it's not showing up above Hubpages on a non-site search. No doubt the real reason it's been there for weeks without anyone noticing is because it's not getting traffic through Google.
It's not actually being copied. It's a script that displays what's already on the site with the ads stripped. Why? I assume because somebody or other wants to read our hubs without giving money to Hubpages. (Which fits with the theory that this is somebody who is mad with Hubpages about something).
But I just don't see how this is lowering people's traffic. Why? I just did Alexa comparisons.
Hubpages has a traffic rank of 295, reputation of 121,770, reaching an estimated 0.4% of internet users.
Novellosrl.it has a traffic rank of 2,632,919, reputation of 23, reaching an estimated 0.00005% of internet users.
A threat? I think not.
Because you actually own the content (not HubPages), we cannot file a complaint under the DMCA.
The way to deal with this site is for all of you to file DMCA complaints for stolen Hubs, and eventually the site will be taken down. If you're not sure how to file a DMCA complaint, stop by our Learning Center guide- it's super easy! The quicker you act, and the more people act, the sooner this will be dealt with.
[Edit- because this is an Italian site, DMCAs ain't gonna help all that much- I hadn't noticed that. And yes, we are working on getting the site blocked from our end, though it's important to remember that since you own all your content on HubPages, it's up to you to file DMCA complaints when it is stolen (in America, hahaha).]
If you have a look at the website in question, you will see the whole of HP's website has been cloned. Logo, look, basic layouts of profiles/text and so on surely that much is down to HP and not its community to deal with?
Go to Google.com
Copy this link into it: http://www.novellosrl.it/cgi-bin/nph-pn … 2r636s6q2s
Take a look at a complete like for like HubPages, whats up with that. Is their website a rip off without adverts or is it just a cheap proxy service?
Agreed. We can all file individual complaints but there is definitely a bigger issue at hand.
It's more like a URL redirect that a copy of the site. It reminds me of a traffic surfing site where you see the webpage but at the top is the hosting site.
I'm going to share this response everywhere I can - a good lesson for all of us.
Hi Simone, the fact that the entire site has been stolen, the site belongs to HP, isn't there something about stolen sites that HP can do?
I mean, it's the entire site that's the problem not just our hubs.
Thanks Cardisa! This appears to be bigger than individual hubbers.
Does Hubpages sell rights to these companies to do this perhaps.. to make bigger profits for the owners? Is this why "Hubpages" isn't concerned?
So the contents of the Learning Centre, HP blog, help files, forum etc. are also our individual property and not that of Hubpages Ltd or whatever you call yourselves?
THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT BUSINESS ANSWER!
That is a complete cop-out and avoidance of the real problem!
HubPages DO HAVE the Legal Capability of Filing against this party For the Breaches against the Company's Intellectual Property! DO You Want ME to do the Legal work?
You could file for an injunction immediately - and in that way HUBPAGES can do a Kim Dotcom on the culprits - you know... take their lunch money!
Amazing! Employ me for a Week and I'll Teach you How to Deal with the Power that you have in YOUR Tools!
What a Time To Pull a 'Them And Us' separation HP... this was a Business Opportunity for you to rekindle the dying spark within a saddened community here!
Simone, I have filed a DMCA with a specific site, Wordpress to be exact, but when I go to Google for site content, I am forwarded to the same Google page with the following message:
Google is a provider of information, not a mediator. We bring you different webpages that relate to your search request, but we don't make any claims about the content of these pages. For more information, please see our Terms of Service. In matters involving trademark, it is best to directly address the webmaster of the page in question. Once the webmaster has altered the page in question, Google's search results will automatically reflect this change after we crawl the site.
Can someone, any of you, please remit a formal response to this forum post, or at least a formal response in the HubPages Announcements forum?
Do you guys actually look when you get these alerts?
http://www.novellosrl.it/cgi-bin/nph-pn … 656q656r74
here, now make some phone calls
this stuff doesn't have to be so difficult and you should have at least one Lawyer sending threatening letters for you.
I thought the content of the forums was owned by HubPages and the layouts, logos etc.
If they are not worth protecting that is incredible.
There seems to be some mailicious ware on the site. I can't bring it up on either one of my systems. In fact, the site tries to turn off all my firewalls.
I will take everyone's word here for what it is...
As for HP, I am a bit shocked at the response. Yes, we as individuals should file the reports; however, as it has been stated, it appears that the entire site of HP has been duplicated. Site infringement??!!?? Surely, something can be done from HP as a whole with each individual filing a claim under HP? Class action provides better leverage than one, two, three filing individually. En masse is a good idea but a concerted effort would speak volumes louder than each of use sending in a report. And, HP should be taking a stance against this.
Plus, as the site is using HP logos:
"7. TRADEMARKS AND SERVICE MARKS
"HubPages," "HubScore," and "Hub" are HubPages service marks or trademarks and protected by applicable laws. Other product and company names mentioned on the Service may be the trademarks of their respective owners."
Surely, HP doesn't want to stand back and get walked on by another site/hacker/whatever?!?
Or are these not legal trademarks of HP???
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|Conversion Tracking Pixels||We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.|