Hubpages Recovering as we Argue?

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   Will Apseposted 12 years ago

   I have some kind of brain sapping virus so maybe I am just hallucinating, but....
   
   Over at quantcast there is nice little spike. Nearly 600k views.
   
   https://www.quantcast.com/hubpages.com
   
   I took a pic, in case it disappears:
   
   
   
   I know that the cynics have seen too many false dawns to get excited, but I like all kinds of dawns. Even the ones that presage the apocalypse.

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      Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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         PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         My traffic climbed suddenly yesterday, but then it's dipped back down today.  Squidoo also climbed yesterday, it's difficult to tell at present if that's dipped back again.
         
         Who knows what's happening at Google HQ.  False dawns that foreshadow the apocalypse are never a good thing, though, Will. 

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What paradigmsearch says yesterday, the rest of the world says today.
      
      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/114653#post2437725

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         Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry PDS. I knowing being first with the traffic news is your speciality. But you missed what might be the biggest story of the year so far.
         
         And your pics are crummy...
         
         All I can really say is:
         
         

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            paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            Will we get a Day Two!?! Q-RT will tell us that tale in 4-5 hours...

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               PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It would be nice to see an improvement.  Things have been a little crappy recently, traffic-wise.  It sometimes seems like HP has to run just to stand still.  However you judge it, the quality of the site is way better than it was a couple of years ago.

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                  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  *My spike was actually on Sunday, not yesterday as I said earlier.

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      Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It would be nice to see a sustained site wide recovery..... but it's early days It might just be one hub going massively viral (I've seen one have that kind of impact on HP's stats before), but hoping it is a recovery.
      
      My own views are normal, so whatever it is, it's not affecting my account at the mo.
      
      Still think there's much to be done about quality on the site, I've seen some really terrible shite that's been featured today! It doesn't bode well for a long term panda recovery, but maybe a dipping in and out as aalite says.

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         Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         There has been a site-wide change underway for several days, now. Something is certainly happening.
         
         It could be the Panda softening update. You might not benefit if you have not had a Panda hit lately.

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            PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, the site overall seems to be getting a boost.  No benefit for me personally though, so far.  I hope Paul E can give us an insight.  HP staff get a much better idea of what's happening.

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   Cool!

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   Will Apseposted 12 years ago

   My traffic is completely unchanged but I will be happy to see anyone here get a boost. So, I hope so.

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   Rock_njposted 12 years ago

   Nice to see.  My traffic has spiked this week.  Not sure why.  I haven't been promoting my Hubs by backlinking this week.  Perhaps the links I've posted over time in Google+ are starting to pay off or if all of HubPages is seeing a traffic spike, perhaps Google like HP again.

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   Mine has been up, too.  For the last few days, up around 15% over what the same day of the week was for the preceding month or so.

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   ologsinquitoposted 12 years ago

   We might be on the verge of seeing a recovery. I sure hope so.

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   aa liteposted 12 years ago

   My traffic is up, but HP has maliciously confused my statistics with a HoTD last week so it is hard to know what's happening.
   
   Paul E. (who has just hubbed about his panda thoughts incidentally) thought that we were on the borderline of the panda quality threshold, and predicted we would dip in and out.  Possibly panda had some changes and we are unpenalised, and in a couple of months they will change something and we will be under the water again.
   
   Or perhaps we have actually managed to rise above the threshold so small algorithm changes won't matter so much.
   
   Or perhaps Google has implemented the plan to be kinder to sites that are in the "panda grey area", which he wrote about a couple of months ago.

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      Rock_njposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes.  The stats page has been hard to read lately, with stats going up and down.  It seems as though it's not working correctly.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   According to Q-RT, Redmond, WA suddenly seems to have a keen interest in us...

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      WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      QT-RT, Redmond, WA
      
      Que????????????????????????????

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         paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The Quantcast real-time is showing unusual(?) traffic from Microsoft/Bing headquarters in Redmond, Washington.

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         Rock_njposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I believe that is a refernce to Bing.  Microsoft = Redmond, WA.  In any case, this traffic boost is a nice thing no matter where it is coming from.

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   Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

   Panda spike coming?
   
   
   Bend over...

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      SpaceShantyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Haha

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    WriteAngledposted 12 years ago

    I would never have guessed in a million years!

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       paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       When I first noticed, the count was in the low 40's. Now it is in the low 50's. An interesting week indeed!

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       Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       PDS has a special hat. We are not allowed to use it.

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          Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          

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          paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I feel a meme coming on...

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    Will Apseposted 12 years ago

    Sleep time for me. I'll have to wait and see how things are tommorrow.
    
    I am expecting to wake to a new Golden Age!
    
    lol. No, seriously. I am.

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       PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I hope that I am wrong, but I believe you will wake up and traffic levels will be back to normal myself. 
       
       Still, the spike might be saying that some form of turbulence is on the way...

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          Muttfaceposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Is that what normally happens?

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    susi10posted 12 years ago

    I have seen a boost in traffic over the past day or two, maybe its just me, but I think HubPages is on the recovery.
    It's strange, because we had a Panda algorithm change just two weeks ago, our traffic should have gone down instead of up...Who knows?

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       Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Good that you've had a traffic uptick, but wondering how you know that there was a Panda update two weeks ago?
       
       Google have said that they will no longer announce panda updates and there wasn't a major shift in Hubpages overall traffic?

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          susi10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Paul E. made a forum thread on it two weeks ago. He said they mentioned a minor update on the week of the 4th of July, but however there wasn't any major shift, as you said. I'll try find the forum thread.

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             Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Everyone was expecting a change that week and apparently there was an abnormal amount of general flux in rankings but nobody saw any very specific changes. So, personally, I'm not convinced the Panda softening update happened then.

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                Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                That's what I thought. There was an expected update that didn't happen....yet....
                
                Or maybe it's happening now. Frustrating that Quantcast hasn't updated in 2 days.

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                   susi10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   Yes, I agree with both of you. During the week of the 'supposed' update, my traffic didn't change at all. Now, though it appears like HubPages are getting higher spikes of traffic, I think you are right Susana, maybe the update is happening now as we speak. My Google Analytics report shows a spike, which seems to be in correlation with HubPages' overall domain.

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                      Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      Interesting
                      
                      Looking forward to seeing how it pans out.

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                         susi10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         So I am I!

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    re: the Q-RT, I've never seen London and India at over 100 before. What's up with that? That's the good news.
    
    The bad news. Yesterday at this time we were showing ~7,500. Today it's at ~6,000. Not bad, but it's starting to look like yesterday was a one-day spike.
    
    

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    Muttfaceposted 12 years ago

    I'm seeing some action on my stats page too, just from this evening. Red triangles - Woo hoo!
    The last month the number of views had trickled down to embarrassingly low levels. So let's hope this surge continues.

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    beaddve1800posted 12 years ago

    There are some updates and changes. The traffic can change for the next updates. It is good to keep the eyes open for the change.

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    wrenfrost56posted 12 years ago

    Traffic Maybe On The Way Up But Earnings Are Definitely Still On The Way Down, I'm Not Getting My Hopes Up. *Makes Way Back To The Grumpy Corner*

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       Rock_njposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know about everyone else, but seeing a traffic spike like the recent one gets me motivated to write new material and try to boost traffic to my existing Hubs.  Kind of strange since summer is usually a traffic lull.  If this holds up until the fall/winter, then it could really get interesting.

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    Will Apseposted 12 years ago

    https://www.quantcast.com/hubpages.com
    
    At least, the site got a break from the recent slide into oblivion.
    
    But it is not so wonderful. Numbers for this Tuesday and last Tuesday are very, very similar.

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       PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The slow slide continues for me, as far as I can tell.  How significant the weekend spike was is anybody's guess.

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    Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

    No improvement here.  Google might be letting a few people visit my pages - but it is a slow mental torture rather than a breakthrough.

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       Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       C'mon, your pages are not all mental torture!

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          Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I must be slipping.

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             Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             I felt almost guilty with that cheap a shot, lol.

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                Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                We found a level with which we're happy Will. I'm kind of marking time at the moment to see what happens.

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    janderson99posted 12 years ago

    Rise followed by a plunge
    Perhaps it was a Pinterest spike which pricked me!

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       Rock_njposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       A drop, not a plunge, and a drop to higher low.  Overall, it's looking better, but like anything, we need more data.

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          Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Could still be a significant turning point. I was getting genuinely depressed with that relentless downward trend.

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             PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Need more data like Rock said.  I was hoping Paul E would chip in with his thoughts.
             
             (And yes, downward trend is depressing, like you say)

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    agilitymachposted 12 years ago

    My Google traffic is up well over 100 percent for a week now.  My social media traffic is down, but that's to be expected over the summer with my niche topic.   I'm finding many of my articles on the first page of Google when they were well behind in the past.  I'm wondering if the QAP isn't working....

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    Dorsiposted 12 years ago

    I have had a slow steady climb up in the last month. From 500 to over 1,000 views a day. Pre-Panda I was at 5,000 plus views a day. Hope this continues. Fingers crossed.

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    Will Apseposted 12 years ago

    Maybe Panda softening has been underway for a long while but the effects have not been apparent to most of us.

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    WriteAngledposted 12 years ago

    Views doubled, CPM halved
    
    As the French say, "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" (the more it changes, the more it's the same thing)

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       Rock_njposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I haven't noticed a significant drop in CPM.  It has been bouncing around the $5.00 to $7.00 range for a while.  There was a time about a year to two years ago, when it would sometimes top $10.00.  That was great on days when I received a lot of views.
       
       Speaking of views.  I had my best day in a long time in regards to views yesterday.  Perhaps with more views and an increased rank for HubPages, the advertising rates and CPM will eventually increase.

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          PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Bad time of year for CPMs too.  They should hopefully improve in September and during the run up to Xmas.

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    Will Apseposted 12 years ago

    My views are down a little but I'm happy to see the site improve overall, even if we are only seeing a modest upturn.

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    susi10posted 12 years ago

    My views are steadily rising, with over 70% coming from search traffic. I don't know if this is going to last though. As you can see from the image below from Google Analytics, my hubs experienced quite a spike.
    

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    janderson99posted 12 years ago

    Sorry folks, looks like it was a temporary spike. Interesting, when I did a site:hubpages(dot)com search on Google on July 15 the page count was 880,000. 
    Today it is 2,110,000 (as it was previously).
    Site: search for squidoo showed 1,420,000 throughout.
    The spike was not shared by Squidoo, though squid traffic generally mirrors that of HP.
    Perhaps HP and Google did something to 'switch off' all the 'NOINDEX' pages (1.3M) that HP has been waiting months for Google to DEINDEX.
    
    Paul E (http://pauledmondson.hubpages.com/hub/W … ogle-Panda)
    "We have 1.9 Million pages showing as indexed in our Webmaster Tools account, but only about 600K that should be. Clearly Google isn't dropping the pages quickly."
    
    

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       Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I went looking for a yappy, choleric terrier (the kind that drives his mum nuts) but then I found these, and went all kind of softipoos and ahhhh-ish...
       
       

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          janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          My favorite Egyptian God - Bes
          
          

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    Redmond is checking us out again. I wonder if Bing has finally decided it's time to seriously go about indexing us?

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    aa liteposted 12 years ago

    It appears that there is a panda update frolicking in cyberspace, according to se roundtable.  http://www.seroundtable.com/google-pand … 17094.html
    
    People are speculating that this is the update that will "soften" the penalty for sites that are in the gray area. 
    
    It would be very disappointing if it passed us by without helping out a bit.

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       paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I wish they'd gone with the "a kinder, gentler panda" phrase, instead of "the softer panda" phrase. Would have made me grin.

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          PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Spike, a week of turbulence, now back to same-old same-old 

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    Beth37posted 12 years ago

    Breaking news: Views go down even more whilst banned from the forum. Avoidance is preferable.

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       summerberrieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I was wondering where you went.....

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          Beth37posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I actually went on vacation. I came back with a sunburn that makes me wish Id never heard of the ocean. Torture.

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       paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Bad Girl!!!
       
       I am extremely unamused as to my traffic and earnings. But I'm blaming it on summer as opposed to anything else.

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    agilitymachposted 12 years ago

    I'm still up over 100 percent with Google views, and my pages are ranking MUCH higher than before.  IDK.  Google seems to have decided I exist - at least a bit.  No complaints here!

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       susi10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       That's great news, agilitymach! Hope it will keep rising for you! My traffic is not great, but it could be worst so I'm happy!

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    Will Apseposted 12 years ago

    Bored not banned...

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    PaulGoodman67posted 12 years ago

    My traffic's the worst it's been for a year at the moment.  Lowest Saturday figure since the big crash last Summer.  Hope it's only temporary.

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       barryrutherfordposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       mine is worse in four years

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          Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Worst for me too.

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    Will Apseposted 12 years ago

    Yeh. It's bad.
    
    If things don't improve, I will have to learn to write well, or rotate back into the real world.

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       paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. I'm looking for a new hobby.

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          PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          HP traffic dial has been stuck for 10 hours which enhances the sense of gloom and doom (although it happens most weekends).
          
          Both HP and Squidoo are struggling at present.  I still suspect that their biggest sin in Google's eyes is not spam or over-commercialism, but to present competition for Google products such as Blogger.

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             Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             I have a feeling you will be less happy when the stats update. Realtime stuff looks desperate.

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                PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                The only good thing for me is that some of my minor profiles on HP and Squidoo are earning a little, though not enough to make up for the losses on my main ones.  Still, the drop might be temporary - we'll have to wait and see how it pans out.  Certainly not a promising situation though...

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                sabrebIadeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Yep, after the update my stats are the worst they have been since that first big Google slap.
                I mean this is ridiculous.
                According to analytics my traffic on the 21st was about half of what it was on the 18th.
                And no it's not because it was Sunday.
                My traffic usually goes up on the weekends.

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    Fiction Tellerposted 12 years ago

    Yup - I've crashed again.  Four months of recovery, now nearly back to plunge-state.  Sad but not exactly surprised....

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    PaulGoodman67posted 12 years ago

    It might just be temporary.  Let's hope so.  I had a serious but short-lived crash back in March.  It is certainly unnerving though.

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       Beth37posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Consider yourself lucky. Some of us haven't had enough success to notice the difference between a crash and a normal day.

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          jimmythejockposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          My wallet hurts hopefully it can recover.....jimmy

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             Beth37posted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy... <sigh>. I thought we were going to stop signing our name. lol

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                jimmythejockposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                oops

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    Benjimesterposted 12 years ago

    Google needs to find some Bipolar meds.  Seriously...

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       sabrebIadeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       +1

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    PaulGoodman67posted 12 years ago

    I see Paul E has now opened a new thread and made statement regarding the recent traffic issues.  I guess we'll have to see what happens.  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/114897

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