I was sorry to see that this forum thread was closed to comments by HP:
There was a lot of good information going back and forth there. It may be that some snipe stuff went on between commenters, but the topic is still valid.
I'd like to see it continue.
My views are up over 100%, and rising. The hubs I had which were de-indexed and not re-indexed immediately have now been indexed, and have returned to the SERPS at a higher position than before. I just hope this keeps up. I am loving it Thanks HP, for bringing out subdomains.
How do you apply for it, I'm a bit like Oli at the moment, bit wary about the whole thing.
I can't remember. I clicked on the link Paul provided in his official thread, which is now closed to reply. It's in the learning centre if that's any help.
I was hesitant to move in case it affected my best performing hub. It did affect it, it sent its traffic through the roof. Like more than doubled to 1300 views a day. wow!
Meanwhile, all my other hubs are regaining their old pre-Panda positions in the SERPS, and their traffic is returning.
Newer hubs are seeing rises I didn't think possible. This is just amazing!
I've also made the sub domain switch. If traffic returns I'll start writing on HP again
Great news...the subdomain trick works!!! Traffic to my Hubs has returned to pre-Panda levels in less than 24 hours!! The hub that brought the highest traffic is back to no 1 spot on Google after sulking at 10 for 3 months now.
Thanks Paul....I can start Hubbing again now
Go here for info about subdomains on HP:
http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/What … n-HubPages
Since the subdomain will be done for you at about the end of the month, you might as well do it yourself. All I can say is that making the switch hasn't hurt me...just don't know if it's helped.
I see how the Profile trail can be misconstrued by this "official" learning center piece. But can we put this to rest?
Sure, as long as someone doesn't tell someone to go to "my profile"....I'll be fine with it.
As far as activating your sub domain: Go to my profile, click on the sub domain icon and that should be it. As far as indexing, search engines do that automatically but you can help by submitting your links to them directly.
go to My Account > Profile > Subdomain then follow the instructions. Shouldn't take more than a couple minutes.
My traffic has increased by 90% approximately! I have not written on here in months, perhaps I was a big fool not to of...I was sort of waiting to see what was going to happen.
Looks like Hubpages for some people is going back the way it used to be (knock on wood) before Algorithm almost.
I am looking forward to writing hubs on here again. Hopefully, everything turns out decent. My goal is still to make 300-600 dollars a month. The way things are going, I should make payment relatively easy this month.
My Pvs went up, and seem to all have a better ranking.
I would also like to see it alive.
I am seeing a major increase in traffic to my hubs as well. This is a great innovation brought out by the Hubpages team. Some of my hubs that did not get much traffic before are getting much better views now. In the end it is all good!
I don't know. I haven't switched over, unless it has been done for me already, which I haven't checked.
However, as things stand right now, I haven't seen an increase in traffic and I also haven't seen a rise in earnings. Everything is still consistent as it has been for a while now.
Cags, it will be done for you by around the end of this month.
After doing the subdomain switch, I'm seeing a resurrection in traffic on my handful of Hubs that were always traffic generators. I don't know if this is because of the subdomain switch or because it's just a settling in of the effects of Panda grazing.
I'm cautious about others' claims for huge rises in traffic.
What I do know is that those Hubs of mine which always had good traffic, pre-Panda, are now coming back. I don't know if it's the subdomain switch or Google/Panda settling in.
Well, I have switched it over and will play the "wait and see" game.
Good. 'Cause it definitely is wait and see.
Have you taken your tranquilizers yet? It might be a good idea - my computer desk somehow got a big crack in it when google had 0 indexed, then 15 and the next day 9. Not sure how it got there but it sure is irritating.
Hang in there, Cags - you're in for a ride!
I changed mine this weekend. Everything sunk like a stone. I don't have one hub that's even in the 90's. I normally have none below 71, today I have 10. I hope this means I just have to wait, it's only Wednesday. I posted 4 new hubs, and only had about 10 views too, when usually they get more on the hopper.
My Google traffic is up but my Bing traffic is down, mainly because Bing hasn't yet reindexed the new subdomains.
My Google traffic is way up, as is my Bing and Yahoo traffic. Bring it on!
how long did it take your hubs to re-appear after the switch izzy?
They are all indexed now. Some took only a few hours, and the rest took up to 4/5 days. I changed over to subdomains within half an hour of Paul publishing that we could, whenever that was.
Hmm... I'm still waiting for any real changes. My traffic is about the same as before I switched it over (on Sunday) I'm sure it'll just take a few days before I see any changes.
But I did search "bendo13 hubpages" on Google and my profile is still listed as the old URL... so it must not have re-indexed them yet.
According to this you have 55 indexed Bendo
https://encrypted.google.com/#sclient=p … p;pdl=3000
52 now... I had looked earlier and searched bendo13 hubpages again and saw both the old URL and the new URL in the results up top but now the new URL is gone again from the first page... but yet, this shows that it is still indexed.
Guess it's going to take a while before they bump all the old ones out... hopefully they don't think it's duplicated because my traffic is really taking a drop right now.
Meh... 136 are indexed now but my traffic is dropping worse than before.
Hopefully it just takes a little time for the old URLs to be dropped and the new ones to take over.
Because from what I'm seeing the old URLs are still in the search results and they are outranking the new, legit URLs...
Put it this way.. I have 300+ hits right now and pre-Panda I had close 1000 every day... and I made the switch on Sunday sooo, still waiting it out.
If you switched on Sunday you are about 1/2 way through the roller coaster, judging from my experience.
Take a tranquilizer, close your eyes and wait. Around Friday you could start seeing some good results.
I just ate a lollipop with a cricket inside it for today's video/hub so I'll use that instead of a tranquilizer haha.
I'll just wait it out and see where this cricket takes me.
Watch out for yellow corvettes and bug cleaning solution j/k
Anyone with a cricket hopping around their belly while riding the roller coaster that you are on has my respect. You may be crazy, but I respect that.
225 now, and the traffic is slowly climbing.. 500+ views right now... odd for traffic to jump on a weekend so something good has to be happening
I can't wait until the old links are de-indexed though because I see my old profile URL still outranks my new one.
Once they're all indexed and the old ones are de-indexed, then I'll get to see what these subdomains are all about.
318 of them are indexed now.. but only 520 views at the moment.. still have a 100 or so to get indexed and it's the weekend so we'll see how the traffic builds.
407 are indexed now... and I'm down to only 444 views, sooo I dunno... weekend slump I'm sure but I'm not seeing a huge jump in traffic yet.
Waiting... and waiting.
Bemdo, did you always write a summary for each hub or did you just let the software pick up on the words in your first paragraph? Just asking, because recently HP made an unannounced change and the summary is no longer picked up from there.
I've been writing summaries ever since I noticed the change. I should still pull text from your body text if it matches the search term. So sometimes Google ignores your summary anyway.
But all my old ones automatically pulled the summary. I see that it just wiped out all the stuff that was automatically put in there before.. real smart HP! I really don't feel like going back through my old ones and adding in stuff.
As I can see from the ones that are indexed now, they all have a description... and it's usually the first few sentences.
Why do you ask?
From what I'm seeing things are looking good.. I just searched "squat jumps" and my one hub is page on page one and it hasn't been there for a longgg time.
The description it pulled looks decent too.
I just noticed the summary area yesterday and was unsure if it was wise to make another change so soon. I usually just let my first sentence pick up. That's the summary I would use anyway, since it's the lead in to the hub. I'll wait a few days before I go changing too much!
The first sentence doesn't pick up anymore the way it used to. I would write them (or copy/paste from your first sentence) as a matter of priority.
How do you tell whether they are indexed or not?
Everything finally looks indexed completely.. but I'm sitting at 491 views at the moment so I think it just needs time to marinate...
I will say though that, for a weekend, my analytics has a nice upward hump in it.
It's after 3 AM and it says I have 716 views in the past 24 hours.. usually I'd see a dip at this time.
Looks like it's climbing back up!
I've been watching my stats too and Google traffic is increasing so that's a big plus!
794 now.. looking good!
If it hits 1,000 I will be more than happy.
My traffic hasn't hit 1,000 views in a day yet but I'm happy to announce that I finally hit that $50 threshold in a month again with HP ads... I did it the first month I switched back in March but every month after that I was just a bit below and had many days that weren't even $2 and some that weren't even $1.
I just had 5 days in a row all over $2 and the last day of last month was $3.. so that's a big plus! I'm looking at $60+ months from HP ads alone if those numbers stay steady.
AdSense hasn't really jumped up too much yet though, but a few decent Amazon sales have gone through. Looks promising.
Can anyone guess when I made the subdomain switch from the picture? Steady climb back up!
So your traffic is still climbing like mine?
Yep, it kept dropping from panda and I had one peak from when I had a few articles that were 100 hub scores then it dove until I made the switch... Now it's even higher than the 100 hub score peak and today I have 1,007 views in the past 24 hours so I'd say I'm back to pretty much how I was before panda...
The profile stats just take a while to reflect that it seems because I think they average things out on the graph maybe by the week or month.
I thought I would update this to show the progress.. my traffic is now higher than it was even before Panda hit.. I'm sitting with 1,100 views right now over the past 24 hours..
Here's the updated graph:
Time for another update!
AdSense has been doing decent this month, even got a $2.38 click yesterday and it looks like I'll make twice this month what I made last month.
I've earned the most I ever have so far with HubPages Ads this month and the month isn't over! Yesterday was my first day over $4 and I'm sitting with 1,233 views in the last 24 hours.
Here's the helpful visual though; the updated graph:
And here is mine :
Aaargh that slight upturn at the end is a lie!
Hmmm so you got lots of traffic, even more than before and then it dropped down to lower than it was before the subdomain switch??
Different from mine. My traffic only plunged after the switch, not before.
No what I was trying to get from that graph was that it looks like the subdomain switch first gave them a ton of traffic... higher than pre-panda.
Then it crashed down... way lower than before the subdomain switch... I mean that's what it looks like.
I was reading deeper in and saw that a lot of people are seeing a loss for some reason and I'm hoping to hold onto my boost. I never used RSS feeds though so that might be one reason and most of mine are informational and not product hubs, so I'm not sure what's up.
Most of mine are informational too. I had no increase after the switch other than normal seasonal peaks for my RV repair hubs. I don't think anyone here has a real clue what happened to some of us after the switch. Why wasn't my traffic affected by any of the other Panda updates? And my traffic plunged before the last update was even released, according to some.
The only thing I can think of is I never stopped writing... I've written at least one new hub every single day since January 1st and sometimes I write 2 or 3 in a day.
Maybe my fresh content is keeping me up there but I'm not really sure... some of my older hubs were always on the top page and returned there shortly after the subdomain switch.
I guess time will tell and hopefully the HP staff can figure out what works and what doesn't.
I have no faith in the HP staff since we found all of the BS they allowed here after the first Panda slap. They obviously allowed misleading and spammy hubs to remain on the site as long as HP made money on them. Of course, they were pushing for everyone to publish quality hubs at the same time.
Nope, not depending on those guys for advice.
Yes that is it exactly - sorry the picture is so small. I don't know how to make it bigger. 'Plunger' or 'plummeter' are excellent words because it was like falling off the edge of a cliff, and this happened on the 10th of August which was the same day Google released 2.4.
You are linking to a thumbnail - clickthrough the gallery image in order to get full size image address.
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Hmm I don't seem to see any drop on that day myself... but it appears you get waaaay more traffic than me normally if I'm counting the bars on that graph right. And right now we're both in the 1,000s of views?
I've only had one day (the 19th) since the 10th that has had less page views than the 10th, so I'm still climbing for now.
How long were you up in that peak of traffic on your graph before you crashed back down again, IzzyM? I'll have to watch to see where mine peaks out and give it a few weeks and see what happens.
Izzy, that's exactly what happened to me - the subdomain switch initially brought me almost back to pre-Panda figures (traffic and earnings), then all of a sudden both fell of the cliff. I don't know what to do or who to believe or take advice from. Paul Edmonson has publicly insulted my writing (and of course he's WRONG!) and I'm not happy! What's my next move?
I'll have to wait until my HubPages profile stats level out and then I'll wait a month and see what happens.
Perhaps it's Google's changes that crashed you two or perhaps it's just a matter of time... The internet world just keeps getting more confusing haha.
Time for another update and all I can say is WOW... my views were liked doubled during the week, I'm not sure what happened but of course it being the weekend I'm back down to 1,595... but I'm getting close to pulling in $100 this month just from HP Ads alone and I never did that before... AdSense is only maybe a quarter of that but that's still double last month. I'm make even more on Amazon than I did on AdSense... so yeah, can't complain!
Here's the new graph:
you're only getting $25/month from 474 hubs ... ouch ... that sounds low
It most likely is for AdSense.. but before Panda and before HP Ads and before I had about 150+ of those hubs it was almost to the point of $100/month from AdSense alone...
At the start of this year I started writing at least one hub a day so most of my hubs are very young in the world of the internet.
But I think with HP Ads + AdSense + Amazon my monthly income that can come in no matter if I write again or not is pretty decent for passive income. And it will only continue to grow as more backlinks are built BY OTHERS who read and like what they read...
I've seen others say on here that a hub never reaches its true potential until it's 2 years old. If that's the case then I'm going to have to wait two years for probably close to 400 of my hubs to reach their true potential. I'm not worried
I seem to recall that a couple of years back HP staff said it takes up to '3' years for a Hub to reach its full viewing potential, so you might have to wait a bit longer than you thought I'm sorry to say. I am inclined to think the 3 years was about right, as many of my Hubs have hit that age in the last 6 months or so, and they are the busiest in terms of traffic they have ever been now.
No biggie... the ones posted in January will be good to go 2 years after the end of this year and the rest will hit that point each day after that
Yeah I just went back and counted... I didn't even have 180 hubs before this year started.
Also remember that If you have HP Ads enabled then you only have one AdSense ad on your page that is your own... so you're going to have very low CTR's when you only have a single ad on all your hubs that is going to only give you income 60% of the time it's shown.
Popping back in for another update... I made over $100 last month on HP Ads which is awesome.. AdSense is doing well, even noticed a jump in mobile traffic and clicks... and Amazon is outperforming AdSense, making some big sales!
Here's the graph.. look at that baby climb!
Bing and Yahoo are holding their own for me while google.com is up maybe 80%. My new traffic source, wilderness.hubpages.com is also growing.
And I still have only about 3/4 of the hubs indexed and none of the best performers. Google is still catching the duds of the bunch (I have a LOT of duds! )
I have no idea what the logic of this is...Now, nearly all of my 67 Hubs are indexed, good performers and bad performers. I have no idea why nearly all of mine are indexed, while this is not the same for so many others. Crazy making to think about.
How do you check for Bing indexing, something like site:URL, as you would do on a Google search?
Bing's only reindexed three of my hubs. Hopefully the rest will get indexed soon.
Everything up 100%... Google.com traffic is up more more than that.
I posted this on another thread.
Here is a screenshot with my recent traffic spike. The last two days at the end correlates with the subdomain move...it is slowly but surely increasing back to pre-panda levels!
As you can see, the last two days have shown improvement and directly correlate to the subdomain update! Yesterday's earnings were pre-panda "normal" levels and today's earnings as of 6:10pm EST are shaping up to be much more favorable than what I was earning daily just last week! Also, that diagram doesn't include today's stats. I just checked and today's traffic at 6pm is already higher than yesterday's!
In short, I'm pumped!
That's a neat graph. Where did it come from?
From analytics front page...screenshot that I cut down in size.
Hmmmm...I need to develop a better relationship with G analytics.
That is impressive!
Here is mine - I had a spike around the time of the Royal Wedding, but what I am seeing now is hopefully more sustainable.
WOW, how do you get all that traffic? I don't get half that. Ok, tell me you secret! I am also pleased with the gain in traffic and earning. This was a great move on HubPages part!
My turnaround began today in Australia, with a lift that takes me back to pre panda figures. It will be because Google has re-scraped it all I guess, so it may not stick
It sure has jumped up. It's doubled since yesterday and is still rising.
I know, biggest earning day since December, yesterday!
Me too, almost, except I am still waiting for the Amazon results to come through. Day before just beats yesterday up to that point. This is amazing. Well done team! My traffic is still continuing to rise. Time to write more hubs I think
I've got 419 indexed now, and I am not in the slightest worried about the ones that aren't. I don't even know which ones those are! How about you, Sally? Are you seeing a rise in traffic yet?
Izzy, when I give you these figures, please bear in mind that I am a very small player here...
On 7/14 I made the switch. On that morning, I had 185 views, down from 450-500 prePanda. (That actually was an incredible day, because my daily views had been around 80-120 postPanda...that's why I can't say that my current rise in traffic is because of the switch or because of things settling in after Panda.)
From 7/15 until today, traffic for me has gone up to about 220. ALL of it Google traffic. What encourages me is that the handful of traffic-earning Hubs I had before Panda are now the ones dramatically increasing in traffic.
All I know is that something's going on.
I also had a rise in traffic in the days before we were all given the opportunity to switch to subdomains. I did report it on the forums, but didn't want to make too much of it in case it turned out to be a false trail - we've seen too many of them since Panda struck!
But the rise in traffic since the subdomains came about has been nothing short of phenomenal. I am ecstatic! At the moment, my figures are reaching all time highs.
I know you have a lot fewer hubs, but your rise sounds great and really promising! Most of mine don't have great rises, but any rise at all is welcome these days, they are such a rarity!
I see since writing this post your traffic is going bonkers! Way-hey - enjoy the ride
But I'm not at all excited about this. We all put a lot of work into HP to get where we got, and then poof! happened on February 23. I look at my stats on my Profile page (sorry, Cags), and I'm now back down to a place I was more than a year ago, despite writing many more Hubs. I'd seen a consistent rise in traffic and earnings, and then Panda, and that did knock the wind out of me.
So this ride is interesting right now, but it doesn't motivate me to continue to write here. For me, it's definitely wait and see time.
Awww...is this roller-coaster ride giving your travel sickness? I'm not seeing the lows yet, though I dare say they'll come. Then I'll be nearly greetin' and in need of therapy!
Agreed. I'm not saying this whole subdomain thing will or won't work in the long-run. It's just that Panda is run manually at sporadic intervals. All of these new subdomains are Panda virgins, which is at least partly responsible for their rise. No one can know how they will hold up in the long-term until the next Panda run.
This is why I am cautiously optimistic...going to wait before adding any additional content on here as it may not be worth my time.
You bring up an interesting point. Many have reported over time...since Panda...that their article blurbs on Redgage or Shetoldme or other places like that, linking to HP articles, often appear at the top of a Google search while the original aged article gets dumped into netherland.
So, you can become a virgin again! Outstanding.
That's what I'm wondering: I'm wondering if all we're seeing is a lifting of the original slap, and if, as each Panda "thing" is run every couple of weeks, there'll be new, more advanced, methods of filtering stuff out. In other words, if this is just a Step 1 thing to put some stuff back to where it was (and Steps 2 and on will be coming every so often).
happy to hear this subdomain thing works for you, hope it works for me too..
People need to serious quit telling people to go to "my profile". It's false information for those who want to get their subdomain.
Click "my account", then click on profile. To switch over, you will be asked a security question which you must answer correctly.
There is NOTHING on the profile of the author, to make the switch, so sending them to "my profile" is useless.
And the irritation begins! Not that I would ever gloat, now that mine is mostly over...
Better take that trank, Cagsil!
It's not irritation Wilderness. I am only correcting the misleading information people are passing out to others.
It's just plain wrong. The first time someone told me to go to "my profile", to make the change, I did. Just to see if there was a link there, I had overlooked beforehand.
It isn't on the profile itself, but IS under "my account", which isn't the same thing as "my profile".
Well, at least that part of it I didn't have to go through (I used the link that HP gave on the first thread), and neither of us had to choose a funny looking name as we had no spaces or anything.
But it has been disappointing. Had exhilarating. And disgusting. And exciting. And, and, and. Have fun!
It's actually getting quite weird. Since a couple of minutes ago, things are going bonkers in those old top-traffic Hubs of mine. Red up triangles all over the place. Who said this is a roller coaster ride?
As of this evening, half of my hubs have now be re-indexed. Yahoo has been my biggest traffic gainer so far. Goggle has not shown much change.
I don't think I've ever gotten more than a handful of views from Yahoo. I wonder what this means?
I just switched to subdomains yesterday. After Panda my earnings have dropped 80% and traffic has dropped about 60-70%. Hope things improve with this subdomain thing.
If you're like everyone else it will improve, but not for around 5 days to a week. It takes time to re-index the hubs and in the meantime the old URL's will slowly be de-indexed with the result that traffic will probably drop for a while.
I'm in the same bucket as you. Overall, my traffic went down to, at best, 25 percent of what it was, and I can't even tell you about the slaughter on my earnings. I hope things improve, too.
Sorry to show my ignorance, but how can I tell which hubs have been indexed, please?
Search for site:trish-m.hubpages.com. It will return a list of your hubs that google knows about. Anything marked "cached" has been indexed.
Trish, use this google search and your results will appear.
Right now it's showing 25 indexed hubs.
Have noticed a bit of an upswing on my traffic since switching to my subdomain. Nothing spectacular, but encouraging.
My CTR has been better since the switch, too.
My anxiety is that this change won't necessarily benefit Hubpages overall that much.
Many writers will see there traffic rise, many will see their traffic fall.
It will encourage the good writers to stay and produce more hubs, of course, but it might not produce more traffic for Hubpages Inc.
We all need Hubpages to stay healthy if we are going to make some money here.
There are many good writers who remain on HP. And many who have left. "Good" of course, is subjective.
What do you think HP should do to stay healthy?
The big benefit for HP will be that thay can claim in future "Its all your own fault" i.e. if your traffic is down, its because your hubs are low in quality. We are all on our own now - no one to blame any more. The forced move to subdomains will hopefully mean that the home URL became pure and shiny again.
That question about whether HP can stay healthy is one I've been thinking about. I have no idea if I'm completely ignorant about the whole picture, but I've been pondering my own guesses. If I'm missing some big stuff, or have things all wrong, someone can correct me.
There are things about this site (as far as writing sites go) that I think do/will appeal to a lot of people. (Being able to delete Hubs and the flexibility are a couple of them.) The HP ads came pretty close to the big Panda shockeroo, so it's only been a few days since people have begun to see that the original Panda slap has, at least in a lot of cases, been "removed" at the same time HP ads are available. To me, that's going to continue to be attractive to a lot of writers.
I don't pretend to know anything about the big picture, but I'm guessing there's the chance that more and more new people (those who want to write on the kind of terms writers have here); and I'd imagine that a good number of existing/previous writers (particularly those willing to do whatever it takes to increase chances of traffic) might just change a few things about the way they do things. I'd another bunch (of either existing, previous, or potential) who "just want to write" and "don't really care about the money" might write here just because of the HP ads. If they do or don't do well (traffic, money-wise) they won't care if they're here for whatever they get from here that they may not get from another site or their own blog.
I'd imagine a lot of the people who got fed up and went off to their own thing either won't be back, or may be back but less active.
So, it seems to me that unless future Panda runs get very tricky about exactly what is expected in terms of quality, the site remains a pretty attractive site for a lot of writers/content producers. Also, now they've added some more social aspects (and nobody who isn't into that kind of thing has to get involved in it if they don't want), but I'd think it may be more inviting to some new writers who are attracted by it.
I'd think previous big earners either earned from Ad Sense or Amazon (which HP doesn't get a cut of anyway, right?) or else by using this site to get traffic to their own endeavors elsewhere. So, I'd imagine there were some big Ad Sense earners, and maybe HP does need to attract x number more new writers to make up for them. Or, if what gets traffic now is different, some people who weren't getting traffic before may not be getting it (and earnings) and also kick in toward making up for however many big Ad Sense earners there once were but aren't here now.
I'd think at least some previous (and new/potential) marketing-type folks will just find a way to incorporate the new way things are in some cases.
The new standards aren't tough and don't exclude any writer/contributor who comes up with something of decent quality, so I'd think the site will still appeal to all kinds of people (and probably even more now).
I'd think, too, if there's "fifty zillion" people whose subdomains get sunk into oblivion, some will produce better stuff. Some will remain in oblivion or give up eventually. If the site comes across as being of higher quality, some writers will feel more like writing here. (I know when I first signed up with a different site years ago, I was embarrassed to have my name on the site.) So maybe, in the reasonably near future, the site will attract yet more serious writers. Also, people who are earning from their Hubs may become less active for their own reasons, but there's a good chance a lot would leave their Hubs to earn. Something else is that a lot of the lower-level marketing people only took that route because they'd discovered that it was pretty hard to really earn much very quickly if stuff wasn't aimed at search engines. A lot of those people said they didn't prefer some kinds of Hubs. They just wanted/needed to earn and did what it took to earn. Even with tons of people trying to write sales/product Hubs, people would be on here saying they only made payment every couple/few months (so it wasn't like the majority of those people were making big bucks the old way).
So, I don't know if I see things too simply; but, to me (and regardless of what happens with my own account as far as any progress or setbacks go with traffic), things are looking pretty promising for this site.
You are right about all the changes coming close together- panda, HP ads now sub-domains. Its hard to see what is happening overall.
I was reassured to read a comment just now, from a Hubpages staffer saying that new accounts did as well with the sub domains as new accounts did pre-panda. That is reassuring. It should mean plenty of encouragement for new writers which is the most important thing for the future of the site.
My traffic has gone through the roof (well, comparing it to what I had before). So far, the subdomain switch has been nothing but wonderful on my end! Once my hubs indexed, the red arrows started showing up.
This link seems to have good information on getting hubs indexed on Google, Yahoo and Bing.
http://www.skyblogz.com/website-not-ind … y-solution
It tells how to check how many hubs are indexed for Google but does not give that same information for Yahoo and Bing.
Can anyone help me with how to do that for Yahoo and Bing?
My numbers seem pretty much the same before and after shifting to a subdomain.
I don't see the difference between here and blogger being any different to what it always was, really. So the reasons (ease, support, community and some free traffic) are basically the same. The exact trade off is just a little more idiosyncratic now.
I completely disagree. On HP, you give away 40% of your earnings. I could be wrong, but it sounds like you either don't care how much you make or you make so little that's it's irrelevant.
Edited to add: I didn't mean that in a mean way. Just an objective viewpoint is all.
I have been probably one of the only ones hurt by going to a sub domain. A few of my articles are on page one or two of Google and Bing in their niche but some of them are trying to compete with between one million nine hundred thousand and over five million.
I have done keyword searches on many of my hubs and still need to do quite a few more. I am wondering if the ones which haven't been hit by search engine traffic should be removed, and if they are removed will that help the ranking of the other ones.
If someone out there knows I would really appreciate knowing.
Did you know that detailed traffic statistics for your hub are visible on services like Quantcast?
This would appear to be against the Hubpages TOS for people who use their real name to post here.
See discussion at http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/79235
It's ok. I checked again and found 40!
I overlooked the word 'site' ~ sorry.
I think the verdict is in: sub-domains are doing the job. The lesson learned: never quit. Just think of all the people that threw a tizzy-fit and deleted their account. What a waste. Every business has days where you want to quit. You may fail if you stick to it; you will fail (have already failed without hope of winning) if you quit.
Good luck, people. It seems the attitude has improved with up trending traffic. My advice: Keep a good attitude regardless of traffic. Life is better that way.
Yes, Keith wake up with zest and integrity and start the day as you mean to go on.
Hopefully my stats will do that- I am pleased with what I have seen having only 90 out of 140+ indexed and although I will never be a major earner or hitter it is nice to see the old favourites being read again.
Um, the lesson I learned for other content sites that never earned me more than a few cents and in one case closed and never paid me is: sometimes quit.
It is purely a matter of personal choice and judgement.
As far as I am concerned, a few days test is far from adequate to decide whether this is the best way to go. I would like to see sustained traffic and earnings over a long period of time before I make that statement, although I will take any income that comes my way even if it is temporary.
I made the change a couple of days ago and out of 321 hubs only 29 have been indexed by Google and so far no change in money earned. Can't WAIT to see the results like some are reporting. Wonder why it is taking so long to get them indexed?
It'll be well worth the wait, Peggy, if my results are anything to go by. Since changing over (the same day Paul said we could - whenever that was), my total daily traffic is up 100% on even my best days post-Panda, my adsense is up, my Hubads are up, and my Amazon is up. Happy days - long may it continue!
Ps for those who can see my stats here - http://www.quantcast.com/izzym.hubpages.com - Quantcast is under-reporting by at least 1000 views a day.
Izzy - Did you change the metric in the upper left corner from People to Pageviews?
Wow Izzy! That quantcast image and report is amazing! Thanks for the link to that. Will start checking that as well. A few more hubs have been indexed since this morning. This will take a while if only a few a day are added.
My graph at Quantcast ain't quite so impressive as Izzy's, but a small rise is better than no rise!
Where do I copy n paste the tag onto my site (?),so Quantcast can scan please?
It's been taken off. It doesn't work anymore because some people on here were worried about privacy issues.
Oh trust me being late for the bus
P.S My Avocado plant is growing up to be a handsome boy btw,even if he did start out upside-down-hehe
I'm sure you're right.
It looks to me like this was a surprise - that it hadn't been considered when designing the subdomains. At least the first I saw of being able to use Quantcast from some hubber in the forums. HP seems to have responded to it by at least temporarily disabling it until they can decide what they truly want to do and just what options they may have.
Yeah probably, I'm sure you're right
Anyway it's all sorted now.
The process seems to accelerate as more hubs are indexed. Probably because as more hubs are indexed you have more and more links pointing to those that are not - it becomes easier for the spiders to find them.
I've only got a couple now, out of 100+, that aren't indexed.
See this post:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/79235?p … ost1714143
I don't have an account on Quantcast, but I'm guessing it doesn't matter. Looks like HP stopped putting this info out there.
Izzy is right, Peggy. I haven't (yet) seen her results on my own stuff, but seem to following that same trend, just a couple of days behind. Traffic is up around 80%, and yesterday was the best day since Panda. I've still a ways to go to see pre-Panda traffic, but so far today looks like it will be another banner day.
On the downside, may of us began to see a drop in traffic around day 2 or 3 as the old URL's began to be de-indexed and the new ones had not yet been found. Then I found the new ones coming in and out of being indexed. It is a roller coaster ride, but the end is 'way up there.
Unlike Izzy, I haven't seen an increase in income yet (although today is already the best adsense day in a month and yesterdays HPads isn't in yet) but I'm sure that with traffic will come income.
I also found a dozen or more hubs on page one - I was down to only 1. Several are in #1 spot, and while those will probably drop a little, I expect them to at least stay on page 1.
I had a curious spike just before the subdomains, thanks to a current event that tied into a hub...50% increase in traffic, via one hub...
That one has slowly declined since the subdomain switch, but is running about twice the normal traffic. Other traffic is slowly increasing, with a little more than 50% of my hubs re-indexed. No serious changes in earnings, but the traffic is encouraging.
Mine is up to 152 hubs indexed, still not all but most. My traffic stats are just going up now, but I am still in wait and see mode. Will be for at least a few months.
I just switch, and wait to see the results. Thanks for information.
I've seen a slight increase in views and even had a couple of Adsense clicks. However, I wonder if this upturn is simply the usual boost that is given by Google to new web pages and whether views will start to fall again soon.
So far, so good...but it all feels like some kind of horror movie - lots of cheer and optimism now, while secretly you just know it's all gonna change after Panda has a go...
Regarding using HubPages over Blogger...HubPages still wins for me...just.
HubPages has way better customer service and technical troubleshooting than Blogger.
Insofar as optimizing advertisement placement, setting up a new blog that's comparable to the flexibility of HubPages' is much more time consuming - and is it even possible? Blogger's native templates don't allow different ad placement on your various pages. Imported templates might, but I suspect those that do are hard to come by.
We also are paying for the service of their SEO and data shuffling expertise. Because they profit from our pages, HubPages shares their expertise about what makes money, whether it's in the learning center or, more quietly but powerfully, in both the back-end and on-page SEO.
Not sure yet, but it looks like pages grandfathered in on HubPages at least still have some rankings juice that might not apply if all were on Blogger.
Lastly, HubPages is evolving toward becoming more of a publishing platform and less of a website, and it's going to continue, and I think it's a smart move. They're being spurred on by Panda at the moment, but it's also the way the web was trending before Panda. We're going to see more and more people setting up "shop" online without having to build their own "storefronts" and maintain their own "utilities" and such.
Unless it's perfect already, and it isn't, Blogger needs competition. Oh, and it's true that HubPages ultimately takes a greater percentage of revenue share than Blogger, but don't forget that affiliate and AdSense links are revenue share in the first place, and Google appears to make a killing off our content with their own rev share programs....Check out the section on Google-owned Sites revenue in their latest financial statement: http://investor.google.com/earnings/201 … nings.html
There are things I do wish HubPages would change to become more competitive:
Letting us have more control of the page/ad layout. (Letting users play around with it would increase experimentation and discovery.)
Letting us have control of our links to other hubs.
Ease restrictions on the number of affiliate links.
Incidentally, about the community benefit - if everyone uses Blogger instead of HubPages, there won't be a community here to flock to...
Blogger has plenty of competition in sites like Wordpress and Tumblr. And I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about the rev share. Blogger doesn't take a cut of the earnings. You receive 100% of your earnings from AdSense, Amazon, Clickbank or whatever affiliates you use. Google Sites, a completely different platform, may, but IDK as I'm not familiar with their terms.
Adsense takes about 1/3 off the top - that is probably the revenue share being mentioned. As Adsense is Google, that's their share on blogger.
Adsense does take around 32%, however that is on all adsense ads.
So while you would get 68% on Blogger, you actualy get more like 40% of what the advertisers pay on Hubpages. Taking teh argument down to this level serves absolutely zero benefit.
my traffic has doubled...that may sounds fantastic at first but it's still very low
I'm not familiar with Tumblr, I'm afraid, so I don't know how easy it is for people who are non-techies to use, or whether it has a flexible platform and appearance settings and professional layout, or if it's easy to add new pages and customize them.
WordPress (the stuff hosted on the WordPress website) is not monetizable. WordPress as a downloadable website with templates is not intuitive for newbies to customize. Out of the box, it's okay if you understand all the technospeak, but for non-techies or non-webbies, there is a pretty significant learning curve even then, from learning how to set up hosting to learning website-speak. And if you want to make adjustments to the default template or add plugins as a newbie, it's not easy at all...even to make choices about what products to use! Once you learn how, and get a handle on your favorite templates and develop a system, I imagine that's a different story, but for large scale Internet migration, we really need something simpler for your average Joe and Jane to hop right on.
Google Sites is very nice, very easy and extraordinarily flexible, layout-wise, but doesn't allow affiliate links. The section in the earnings report I linked to called "Google Sites" isn't actually referring to Google Sites, but Google-owned sites, a different animal that I believe includes Blogspot.
I think that so far, Blogger is one of the easiest platforms to publish on and the most flexible to earn from, and doesn't effectively have any competition. But I don't think of it as free, somehow. Or if it is, it's got hidden costs in labor and frustration.
Yes, we receive 100% of our revenue share earnings (which are already split with whoever runs the program). So Blogger doesn't take an extra cut, but Google AdSense and Google Affiliate Network do from their programs, and Google is still making what I'd call a "killing" off of our blogs, given that they provide virtually no customer service or direct technical support.
But all of that to me is moot. The real question is, on which platform do I earn more, for the work done, all told? Even post-Panda, HubPages won hands down for me.
Mine is on the rise, I'm just a small time writer here at hubpages but it is amazing what one great hub can do with time.
Ok Ive scrolled ,had some coffee and not following where do I go to see if my hubs have been indexed (or not),since being on the new sub domain.
Go go google an put in Eaglekiwi.hubpages.com
Ok Ive done that
Whoa its basically ALL the interactions Ive had while on Hubpages (which is follow link) and Eaglekiwi etc is highlighted but not a link...
So is that what everyone means by indexing?
Well i only have 4 indexed so far... Out of 81... did u just join the subdomain? I hear it takes some time to get the rest indexed...
Indexing is the process where a server crawls through your website.
Try it this way: site:eaglekiwi.hubpages.com. That will produce only your hubs, and anything that says "cached" is indexed.
Perhaps when people with sub domains set up start ranking again it will lift the traffic of everyone on the site who writes good content and the spam/rubbish will junk sink?
Unlikely. The whole purpose is to require hubbers to sink or rise based on their own merits; the trash will sink and good writing will rise, but the good stuff will provide little juice to either the trash or to other good quality hubs.
If the concept works we will all find out soon enough just what google thinks of our writing.
But surely it will provide improvement to Hubpages.com as a site and therefore profiles will get a little of the juice? unless I don't fully understand subdomains as I should lol
I'm not writing at the moment..I'm getting more money from my sites. My traffic heres OK but I decided to do what a lot of other hubbers did to progress.
As I understand it, the answer is yes, the quality subdomains will improve HP as a whole. HP will pass a little of that juice back to the subdomains, but it will be very little - nowhere enough to make a real difference.
The architecture of the site as a whole will still help some (massive interlinking for instance) but it will never provide the benefits it could and did under the old google algorithm.
And I could be far off base here, or the effects of Panda could be something else than what they are thought to be.
The "value" of the links will have increased in the eyes of Google as they regard each sub-domain as a separate website, so if your hub has links pointing at it it from 10 other hubs on different sub-domains instead of 10 internal links you now have 10 links from other websites - and if they are in related niches - well they are good links! Internal links work for ranking just as external, but external links obviously hold more weight with google - this change basically means that you now have many more websites linking to your pages increasing your value in the eyes of mummy G.!
As to HP, they now have many thousands of subdomains pointing back at them - each page a link from a different website!
Or maybe I am talking rubbish I am far from an expert.. lol.. but it seems logical!
I would think that you are right. While HP used to pass some "google juice" to hubs just from being HP the site can now provide a little more juice from the links than they used to.
As you point out, those links, both ways, won't carry the weight of a truly outside source, but it's better than a link between two pages on the same site.
If you're talking rubbish then so am I (no expert either) but it does make sense.
I would suggest that the link juice will not have changed very much. All links will be regarded as internal links despite the subdomains. Ranking is done page by page not for a site or subdomain. The links for pages within your subdomain will perhaps have extra weighting, but those links already existed in your folder before the subdomains. The key strategy should still be getting links to the individual pages which will build PR.
Mine were all indexed by late Sunday,17th. I'm happy. I think changes will continue to fluctuate for a while, but traffic is up.
I'm not so concerned with views, but the quality of traffic. It is nice to see where traffic is coming from.
i switch first available point and have about 123 of 146 indexed. It is quite nice as the uplift has been quite gradual, so I have got used to seeing the individual hubs rise. Not all of them obviously but it is nice to see one or two get a decent amount of views every day, at last!
Amazon in. Yep, biggest day yesterday. Earnings have quadrupled. Hope everyone is seeing similar increases, and for those of you still waiting on your new subdomains to index, you now know what to expect
From 26 indexed yesterday to 92 out of over 300 hubs...at least the spiders are being kept busy! Hope those little creepy crawlers stay alert and do not need naps. Can't wait to see even half as good of results as you are seeing Izzy!
I'm still not to your rarified heights, Izzy, but it's improving by leaps and bounds. Yesterday I had the best traffic day since Panda - around the lower of the ups and downs pre-panda. Adsense was as high as I've seen it even on the freak up days since Panda. HPads was the highest I've seen since its inception. Amazon was 0, but it's always been very spotty for me - I've only crossed the 6.5% mark once, during Christmas.
All in all it is very encouraging. Enough to start writing again.
Just experienced some of that roller coaster ride to which you referred. Earlier today I had 92 hubs indexed and just checked and it was only 64. Crazy! I would have thought that once they showed up...they would have remained indexed. Oh well...better than the 29 yesterday! They have a long way to go before they all show up at this rate.
I haven't got sub domains to rejoice for but my site has jumped up another spot on Google today
One hub has doubled views. All the rest are the same as before i.e. 0-2 views per day
I have tried backlinking them, but for the tiny, very short-term blip this produces, it is not worth the time.
I've also tried optimising them as far as I understand how to do it. I tried using Market Samurai on them, but it always deleted off the most relevant keywords because no one searches on them, leaving me with ones I cannot compete against.
Maybe you should write more, and aim this time at the higher trafficked and higher competition keywords, because your HP subdomain is powerful, much more so than a blog.
'...because your HP subdomain is powerful, much more so than a blog.'
^ A statement based on your personal belief, or fact?
I also have not seen quadrupled traffic, or earnings. An increase for sure. But I hope the average hubber isn't having their expectations raised too highly.
Sorry, personal belief. My blogs were actually doing a lot better than my hubs, until this new change came through.
I'll just shut up. Sorry I have pissed so many off. I thought we would all see the same subdomain benefits, and was trying to gee people up, instead it is having the opposite effect.
Yea ,small spike perhaps.
Main benefit seems to be to the site (HP)
But I am inspired to try blogging now ,oh why not just publish a book and be done with it
Will see what C.H.A.D thinks
Hey Izzy, it's good to hear everyone's experiences, including yours. If people are not doing so well, then instead of griping - perhaps a look at your hubs and any other strategies you use might be a good idea.
All I know is stuff I learned on here. First thing, keyword research. You want your title to be search friendly - ie if you want to write a hub about growing potatoes, you'll want to know the most searched for term - ie growing potatoes, how to grow potatoes, grow potatoes etc.
Once you have decided on a title and url, remember to use that phrase several times throughout the body of the hub.
If you choose Growing Potatoes, remember to mention the term growing potatoes in the body of the hub several times. Google bots are not human, you could go on about potatoes eyes, dark places, earthing up etc and they still will not cotton on your hub is about growing potatoes unless you use that exact phrase a few times in a natural fashion.
Write a separate summary and mention your main keywords in it, which will include growing potatoes. This is a really important part of onpage SEO.
Write unique content. If you have to research your subject, don't just reword what someone else wrote. Add something new, even if it's only a personal experience. I find its a good idea to take your info from about 10 to 20 different sites. You choose what is the most relevant to your subject matter.
Try to write at least 500 words. I shoot for 700 minimum usually. Add pictures, videos anything else that can add to the visual content of the hub.
A mistake I made earlier on was to write about the obscure things that interest me, like the compositions of the oceans, or the icebergs of Antartica, but if no-one is searching for those terms it's hardly worth it, if you are here for the money.
Write about things that people are searching for. Even better if its something you know a bit about.
And I'm not an expert at this. A lot of the experts have left. My results now are good but not exceptional. My earnings are no-where near as good as some people. I think I need to change tactics myself.
This Izzy, is the key lesson - for me anyway.
"A mistake I made earlier on was to write about the obscure things that interest me, like the compositions of the oceans, or the icebergs of Antartica, but if no-one is searching for those terms it's hardly worth it, if you are here for the money.
Write about things that people are searching for. Even better if its something you know a bit about."
If we ALL saw the same effect, that would mean we all have the same quality hubs and the switch couldn't possibly have done anyone any good.
There have to be losers and winners or there was no point..
You're absolutely correct. It is something that we don't really want to consider - that we don't write quality - but it is going to be there for many.
At the same time, what is quality? What google views as quality is not necessarily connected to actual high quality. It is more a matter of what works on the net and what google's current algorithm considers as quality. To get traffic we have to please google, which is not necessarily writing high quality hubs.
I don't think that you have pissed people off Izzy, I think that it's just that people are have different experiences and so are reporting them.
Personally, my traffic has gone up a bit, but not by the huge amounts that you have experienced (congrats ), so it's a question of what to do about it really.
It's also about what people really want from their HP experience - writing for fun and interest, writing for fun and interest and making a bit of money or writing for money?
I've been concentrating on finishing my novel in the past few weeks - thanks panda for giving me the push to switch my writing attention elsewhere - so haven't written a new hub for a couple of weeks, so it will be interesting to see how it goes when I start writing them again
Oh congratulations! I've been meaning to write that novel for the last 40 odd years and still haven't even started!
If, when you have published, you want a bit of a boost, I have the website <snipped> and will be happy to add your book to it. This goes for any other published authors on here too.
I can even stick a blurb about it on my best selling books hubs too. I'm not above lying even when they aren't actually bestsellers, but you never know!
Mine has been in the offing for the last five years - but I decided that I want to finish it by the end of the summer - 78,000 words and all characters in place for the final showdown!
Then it is a case of traditional publisher (if even possible!) or self publishing. All help will be greatly appreciated, so thanks for the kind offer.
Hope the sub domain continees to be an upward ride for you!
Can you define published? Self-published OK? Do you accept non-fiction- oddly an awful lot of book bloggers don't - so there might be a niche there. I have my first book on Amazon - and yes its partly because of the nonsense here at Hubpages that I have it - while trying to decide the future of my hubs I analyzed the traffic of one of my better hubs - and now I have a book :-)
the nonsense here at Hubpages?
sounds like you now have a book because of Hubpages. ..
Isnt it time to stop the Hubpage bashing already . ..
As Cags would say in closing. . .
I wrote the book not Hubpages - couldn't even use the hub because I didn't own it - its not bashing - its reality - HP has lost me about $500/month income - that's not bashing, that's a fact.
I stayed with HP for much longer than I should have, everyone who was seriously about making money online told me to get my own domains, while stupid me kept saying no, no HP is a win/win - well its not - because at the end of the day the damage done here wasn't done by the Google Panda update it was done by the response of management to that update.
Yes I improved my writing here, yes I learnt of SEO here (but from fellow authors not from HP), yes I made my first Adsense check here.
If HP had reacted differently ie actually listened and responded the advice they were offered - then my attitude would have been much more of let me help and fix this.
But they didn't. Kharma goes around and comes around - something quite a number of HP staff haven't figured out yet.
I will accept all hubbers self-published and/or ebooks. All I need to do is figure out how to make a category for them - call it 'new authors' or maybe even 'self-published'. The book will need to be on sale on Amazon or even through the Book Depository as I signed up with them the other day, and I'll need a blurb about what the book is about (which I will re-word to keep it original).
After all, Google loves content!
If anyone wants included just email me through my author link. My site is on page 2 of Google so it'll get read by someone, hopefully:)
Do you have a link to your book on your profile Lissie? I also have a book review blog (not as impressive as Izzy's) but am more than happy to write a review for you to get you a backlink?
To kmackey and lisabeaman, don't forget that some of your hubs will be de-indexed before they are re-indexed, and if those hubs are amongst the ones that brought you the most traffic, you will see a traffic dip.
But when they are re-indexed, they should come back stronger than before
Thanks Izzy! I'll keep an eye out for that!
Goggle webmaster sent me an email asking me to verify that I am the owner of eaglekiwi.hubpages.com, and if I am to verify by adding some html do dah to my website??
Then we will index etc ..
I had a glass of wine with dinner ,its hot,and Im calling it a night before I screw something up.
As of today (just now, 217 of my hubs are indexed and traffic is edging upward, though it has not reached pre-panda levels.
I forget now when I did the switch - a week ago or less, perhaps?
Thinking positively - it may take a while for Google to refine the ads it shows on your 'new' pages. In my experience, Google shoves 'any old ads' on there at first and then makes them more specific as time goes on. The page needs to be opened several times for Google to think about what are the best ads for that page. Hopefully click rates will improve in time as the ads become more specific and attractive to your readers!
I just moved mine over today to my new subdomain(fingers crossed)
After about 5 days on subdomain, I'm back at pre-Panda. A slight decline in traffic the first day, then good increase for 2 days then a big jump up. I hope it continues and wish everyone else the same success!
Sounds promising... I wish to see the same myself but tomorrow will be 4 days for me and only about 30% of my hubs are re-indexed with the new URLs... traffic has dropped..
I dunno, perhaps this means I'm a horrible writer?
The amount of comments I get would make me think otherwise but who knows what Google thinks.
I had a couple of days of lull, but have had a significant improvement since! Don't delay - get on with it and enjoy the jump! It helped that I did not keep checking the progress...it was up by the day I checked!
A big improvement. My traffic is UP as is my earnings. Yeah!
No Red arrows yet after the switch a few days ago though probably didn't help that I shifted a good chunk of my better hubs elsewhere. Will give it a shot and add some more here and see how they go.
I can't say I'm delighted. Traffic not improving. Seem to be indexed, but no one wants to visit. Come to think of it, that's the same as it was pre Panda.
I'm a failure.
I'm a failure who doesn't know when to quit!
Which makes me a success!
Need to write a motivational hub off the back of that.
I haven't seen any difference in traffic. Its been almost a week already. But I like the status wall.
My traffic has doubled and I only saw highs like this pre-panda. I'm quite glad I continued to write in the months following Panda, earnings have been good, lets hope it stays that way.
My traffic is up also. Beginning to think that the Panda foreign language update applied to many english (non American) speaking countries. There was mention of some other changes. I have seen a boost in traffic and adsense cpc from down under in oz. Traffic and adsense earnings both up for my websites - though HP steady but small.
I also think external links to your pages is the key to stability, page rank and traffic. The subdomain shift would probably have affected HP internal linking structure with flow on effect, especially if pages have no external links.
I think i'm running 60-70% of pre-panda - which is much better than the 30%-40% it was before subdomains!
It's early yet.. I'll know better in a few weeks.
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