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Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago
A recently released poll shows Trump is losing ground among several groups. Women only approve of him by 25% and he's lost evangelical Christians favor down by 17%. The truth is catching up to his many lies.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Ya , right "......'peach 45, 'peach 45 'peach 45 ...." you're right up there with Marvelous Maxine Waters !
  
  How's the view from La La land ?
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Well, impeachment seems like a real thing suddenly. If you haven't been following the news.
  
  1. Trump said there was no contact with Russia.
  2. Michael Flynn said there was no contact with Russia.
  3. Trump asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn.
  4. Comey says no. Trump fires Comey.
  5. Flynn pleads guilty to lying about Russia, admitting there was contact with Russia.
  
  You do the math. That's obstruction of justice.
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  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What poll? Who conducted it? These approval/disapproval ratings change day to day and week to week.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Going down for Trump for the most part.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Which really means ,reading our media bias , It's climbing . I'm doing the happy dance .
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  jo millerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The latest poll that I saw showing the drop in evangelical support was the Pew Research poll. This is the same type of poll that has been showing evangelical Christian support for Trump very high. It's still high, but has dropped 17 points. The trend for Trump overall is down and many polls show the same thing. You can choose to ignore this is you want, but that's a little like sticking your head in the sand.
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  Dean Traylorposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The Pew poll is a big deal, and it's not the only one showing this epic downfall. The one thing that struck me is that the Evangelical Christian approval rating fell 17% from the previous poll. While there's still a majority of them that support him, it's slipping...and these are the most steadfast group around. Wow.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Anything except Fox and Rightwing sites are fake news, Dean! You should know that.
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  His polls as well as his approval ratings were just about that the night he won... LOL Why not move on, the country is thriving,and he has only been in a year.
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  jo millerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No, they have gone down significantly. Not all of us agree that 'the country is thriving'. I see Trump doing great harm to this country that I love; I see the rest of the world laughing at us because of this behavior; and I see his behavior alarming. I will not 'move on' until that changes. We are not only speaking out but working hard to help bring about those changes. I've never seen this type of political involvement in my lifetime. We'll move on when we see changes like those in the recent Virginia elections.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  For one , You totally ignored the damage that Obama did to America , you ignore the fact that Clinton would have been twice as disastrous , Sanders would have destroyed us completely And that the right in America which is paying half of the cost of the most expensive reign in history [Obamas } , STILL has to clean up the mess is the is the ONLY breakaway from tradition quagmire that is DC ?
  
  But you're offended by true leadership , why exactly?
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  Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What's amazing is that you can't even sort of see how distorted your own perspective is. So many T-fans are like that, it really makes you wonder where the hell you all got the cool-aid. But, we kind of already know - a gargantuan part came from Fox News Channel. Its what has gotten ahold of Trump, too. I take it back - cool-aid probably isn't a very good metaphor for the Fox phenomenon: Invasion of the Body Snatchers sound more like it. Fluck, you people are scary.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Misfit, The right in America would keep America that we have ; That is and always has been the cause in the contract , While it is your "party "that would somehow kill it all and start over . The irony is in that your socialist B.S. rebuilding America you keep recycling the same hypocrisy over and over again and so never gaining traction for the "real progress" that you so constantly call for.
  Time to evolve ,socialism is prehistoric and by the way , dead .
  You of all people should know , you lost , move on !
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  Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, that's just what you have been told to beLIEve about anyone who doesn't think like you. This video is a pretty good representation of how I REALLY perceive our politicians, 'we the people', and Trump, himself. Things are NOT us vs. them; left vs right - that's way too simpleminded. This is very accurate: DONALD TRUMP IS A REFLECTION OF US - Simon Sinek on Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdPTSqltiVk
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So one unknown mans opinion huh ? But , still then you deny that traditional governing and fixed constitutional rights aren't republican And that the left's ideology isn't about ripping and tearing apart our traditions ? Yea , keep listening to these U-Tube experts , you're well on your way to a real and a informed knowledge of traditional two party system in America .
  Not!
  
  Your problem is that you haven't moved one iota from your so failing party line , thus maintaining the Democratic side of this establishment ,embedded quagmire
  The left , especially today , isn't about draining anything but maintaining the swilling
  and caustic mess of the DC. swamp .
  
  Time to evolve politically catch up will ya !
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Jo Miller - Just nothing but great news each month when it comes to the economy. He continues to keep every promise he made, even the ones that other presidents said they would keep but did not.
  Jan 20, 2017 Most Recent Unemployment Rate
  Updated: Nov 17, 2017 4.8% Now 4.1%
  S&P 500 Updated: Nov 30, 2017 2,262 2,648
  GDP Growth Updated: Nov 29, 2017 2.1% Now 3.3% I guess you should work harder at a faster pace to get him out... Before he fixes every problem Obama left him with. And by the way, just what are you doing? "We are not only speaking out but working hard to help bring about those changes. " I would be interested to know? Really just what are you doing?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The irony is that you are trying to enlighten the "intellectual "left with fact , statistics and truths. Not emotions , bias , entitlement and P.C. fantasy .
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You truly need to move on. Your beginning to look very foolish in light of all the progress the president is making.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly , Sharlee, It's hard to correct a child why their still bawling over a lost toy or a scraped knee..
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! It's your ilk looking foolish with all of the indictments being issued to Trump's cronies. I'll ask you the same question I've queried other Trump fans. If Trump is found to have colluded with the Russians will you still stick by him?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Definition of Collusion
  -The Clinton bought and paid for" Dossier " is the collusion.
  -The whole DNC "for sale by owner "sign is the collusion .
  -The Clinton , DNC and obvious , oblivious media bias is the collusion .
  -The Sanders / DNC " fire sale " is the collusion .
  -The Brazzile / Clinton DNC cash price purchase is collusion .
  
  What part of collusion don't you understand ? Read a paper lately ?
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That deflection was top quality.
  Q: If Trump colluded with a foreign government, will you stick with him.
  A: Clinton, DNC, Brazile.
  
  And you have the gall to call our our side for any lack of facts. You can't even answer a simple question without going on a messed up tangent of conspiracy theories.
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Randy, Just nothing but great news each month when it comes to the economy. He continues to keep every promise he made, even the ones that other presidents said they would keep but did not.
  Jan 20, 2017 Most Recent Unemployment Rate
  Updated: Nov 17, 2017 4.8% Now 4.1%
  S&P 500 Updated: Nov 30, 2017 2,262 2,648
  GDP Growth Updated: Nov 29, 2017 2.1% Now 3.3% . I guess you should hope he is impeached before he fixes every problem Obama left him with. I mean would it not be wonderful for you if we rid the country of a man that is actually one of the best presidents we have had? Not sure about why so many hope he fail?
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, another non-answer.
  
  "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said.
  
  Ya gotta hand it to him; Trump knows his base.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Itt is foolish to say that's a non-answer , But truth never enters into the fray when it's a topic point of the left, Remember that political saying from Bush 1 , Clinton days;
  I don't know who said it , " It's the economy stupid ", just saying .........
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Reading comprehension is not a strong point of Trumpsters, Pretty. Not a one will even pretend to answer the question, simply more deflection instead. No wonder they voted for a lying sexual predator in the first place.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So you have comprehension , your whole party surely lacks however retention .
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Randy, I for one did not hesitate to answer the question. I stated a mere fact. he won the presidency with a horrendous approval rate. That's a fact. Please let me ask you a question. What will you do if nothing leads back to Trump or his campaign? What will be your next complaint that keeps you in a state of denial and unfounded hysteria? People respond with an answer. What if there is no there there? In my opinion it is just about over, not much further Mullier can go. So you may not have much time to come up with some new complaint. I will wear the egg on my face if there is a problem at he end of he witch hunt. Will you or will you just run down a new black hole?
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Check my final response to horse on the other thread.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You know , if you were truly of the " informed ", you would know instant popularity contests are sophomoric to begin with and ultimately mean nothing . That's why the popular vote doesn't elect Presidents . Look at Bill Clinton's polls during the whole W.H.sex / lying / impeachment charges , he held a high popularity poll . Did it mean we didn't have a rapist for a president ? No. It mean't he was simply charismatic and his following pretty shallow .
  
  Now we have a president with no popular charisma , low popularity numbers yet highly successful in leadership , economics , wall street popularity and very effective U.S. leadership ! See why you electoral college is the best way to truly run a country ?
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  Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  People like you are the product of decades of heavy GOP marketing and anti-marketing. Everyone knows that aside from the ignorant victims, themselves. Unfortunately, that's what you are, horse - and you don't even realize it. To use one of Trump's favorite responses: Sad.
  
  You're as enamored with Trump as any young girl was ever fascinated & OBSESSED with Twilight's Edward Cullen - and you have been thoroughly taught that anyone who isn't fascinated with him is stupid, to say the least. That's pretty much what those little girls did... Just screamed loud enough and insisted that their favorite fairytale character was a REAL-make-believe vampire, when he was just a half-a*ssed placeholder for a grown woman's sick sexual fantasies that led to the dangerous, dysfunctional blockbuster, 'Fifty Shades of Grey'.
  
  You and I have agreed in the past that there is TOO MUCH fighting going on; and that its a 2-way street - and yet, you can't talk like it. You continue to regurgitate the one-sided crap you watch. Stop watching politics altogether for a couple weeks... or just watch your favorite mystery or whatever... or don't watch anything, go play in a sandbox... and see how much your mind might come more into its own.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That's exactly what I'm talking about Misfit , Bias . I actually dislike Trump very much , why do I dislike him ? Have you ever asked ? I too was surprised in the primaries yet realized fully and immediately the alternative in political hypocrisy , You buy it and that's fine but don't tell me I have to believe in liberal ideology or I'm racist , bigoted , mysoginist , ignorant ..............etc. That all you got ? For gods sake , the left should use it's head instead of its celebrity likability or dislike . I do know very well however the difference between a leader that I don't like and an image that I love and that cannot lead !
  
  I'm enamored with Trump ? I was enamored with Bill Clinton once too , I was very enamored with Jimmy Carter too ,that make me a liberal ? No , but what I am is informed rather than emoted like yourself , You cannot emote your way through a process of recognizing true leadership Misfit . By the way "the sandbox' is a great movie besides a nice place to play , Yet there are times I can't even place your adherence to your ideology much above that level of maturity .
  
  If I'm " a product of heavy decades of GOP marketing ......." and in truth I'm a product of both GOP and DNC then why are you not only a product of your DNC but the entire education system and media bias ? Your obviously younger than I and in that sense , as there are more young than old here it seems , I can't wait until your inexperience and youth kind of catches up a little , politically speaking . It will be a much better world.
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Someday I'd enjoy hearing an answer where you don't claim to be emotionally and intellectually superior to everyone else here. Especially as your grammar is the least among us.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  OHHh now it's the grammar police ,..... You know what I'd like , for someone on the left to have something of substance in a debate instead of the usual conservative categorization , bigot , ignorance , bias , racist ,islamophobe , anti immigrationist's blah blah blah , oh don't forget now the grammar police . Apparently WHAT I say hits a nerve or you'd offer something of some substance .
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You forgot to include pedophilia supporters in your list of characterizations. And Misfit is right, you're so brainwashed to distrust information that you won't believe anything from people who disagree with you, no matter how accurate that information is.
  
  Multiple accounts of people claiming Moore has ties to underage girls. But your side just shrugs it off as fake news or as politicized to help you sleep better at night. That's the type of brainwashing we're trying to explain. Because I'm not sure how it gets worse than that.
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  jo millerposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  This drop in evangelical Christian support is the one that I find most encouraging. As a Christian myself I have been horrified by this overwhelming support for Trump from this group.
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Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago
The shifts are larger among Republicans. Last year, 81% of Republicans thought Trump would unite the country, 91% that he cared about people like them. Now, those figures are 65% and 83%, respectively.

President dropped 20℅ as incopenrent. Mostly by Republicans stop believing.

Time to change the man babies diapers before he stink below GW Bush polls. Viewing Trump IQ test and Taxes should do it.
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nikkikhan10posted 6 years ago
Hi Randy,,
Everyone is seeing clearly his lies and actions which are effecting and irritating everyone all over the world.
He has some kind of imbalance personality which forces him to draw a trauma for others.
Hopefully he will be out soon.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  "'Peach 45 , 'Peach 45 ,'Peach 45 "....................
  Maxine waters for President !
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Your fixation with Waters is unhealthy considering 58 democrats voted to begin the impeachment process. And it was Green who brought forth the idea, not Waters. Your ire is misdirected at the wrong person of color.
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IslandBitesposted 6 years ago
Maybe 'cause #DenturesDonald last speech.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Why is it that you're concerned with a popularity contest , sounds sophomoric to me ? That speaks more to the intelligence level of the new opposition left . If Trump started with a low "popularity" opinion and still has it , isn't that a good sign ? In the old days we called this kind of mentality "bubble gum " , it was present in music , in pop magazines , junior high home room class behavior , teen dances ,etc......Now we call it out in the political left in all it's Trump opposition .
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  IslandBitesposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  Who is concerned?
  You're the one who seem affected.
  Are you ok? Do you need a safe space?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Been there a lot........ haven't you .
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I just watched that episode on my DVR last night. Love Trevor Noah.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  --Orange man --Denture Donald-- what is this new mental low for the left ? At least the right has always made an argument with a certain intellect. The left ? Hair color , teeth , body style , looks ,see what I meant when in the past I've used such descriptions as shallow , immature , .........you have ranted about that how many times?
  
  Everyone , Here's my proof!
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Are you joking with that line - the right has always made an argument with intellect. The whole birther movement was racist crap. And let's not even get into how many times the right went after Michelle Obama and the things they said about her. Take off your rose-colored glasses and come back to reality and stop spewing lies like that.
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stephenteacherposted 6 years ago
News media, congress, dems, justin trudeau, theresa may, merkel, macron, almost as bad, if not worse. Approval rating is often mistaken for not voting for. That's like asking if you approve of your kids behavior, and comparing it to your love for them. Nobody in the world actually seems happy about the person in office. Seriously. How many people now just seem to LOVE GW Bush? I'm not one of them.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The new left is America has devolved to absolutely new collective and intellectual lows . "Liking ", from face -book , is just about the lowest form of political judgement America has ever known.
  
  Welcome to the party.
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, cause liking things at facebook is a one-party fixation. Another idiotic comment.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Go a little deeper there if you're able , No face book has two party use it's just that one party evolves mentally . That is the face book party difference .
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Did you just try and claim that conservatives mentally mature faster than liberals during facebook use?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Try to keep up , No I'm saying at least the majority of social maturity and evolution apparently happens on the right ..........:-] All of your Trump Derangement Syndrome is young and leftist oriented .
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, so you're saying that by joining the GOP, you mature and evolve faster. I got it now. I cannot wait to see the research on this claim. Just. Cannot. Wait.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Why , it only makes sense when your looking at it from a plane above . It's kinda like watching children play , you know they will eventually grow up but why waste the entertainment value.
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  But false applied media , phony opinion , baseless fact , made up statistics and a B.S. news media cannot be a tool of the left's alone but all of a sudden the left get's up in arms when someone on the right uses the same tactics ?
  
  See what I mean?
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure the issue is that the media uses those tactics. It's that people don't have the common sense to take all the information in and then do some simple research to come to a sane conclusion. For example, the birther issue. We've got newspaper announcements from Hawaii of Obama's birth, his actual birth certificate, and eyewitness accounts, and yet a large percentage of these highly evolved members of the GOP still won't accept the fact that he was born in the United States. That's not maturity, that's brainwashed.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  BUT , the brainwashing is a very well proven 93 % leftist's so explain that ,those scientific studies are all over the place today and everybody accepts it but you .,.....................
  
  See? If the commie media can post bias fact ........we all can.
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Simple question for you, where was Obama born?
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Horse don't answer questions very often, Val. You're wasting your time as many have discovered on these forums. He's more of an opinion guy and not someone you actually learn from.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Randy , even my opinions are more intelligent than every "fact " or "statistic "you've ever posted . You simply don't like my opinions .
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I actually have no idea nor care , I only know that he is effectively the least patriotic leader we ever had in this country and I don't care if he was born in central Ohio to white KKK parents , Obama dislikes about everything American except for his pension and bennies .
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, yes he did.
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Paul Winngertposted 6 years ago
32%? Awful high. Obviously, the trumptards are calling this fake news. Fake or not, the orange man-baby can't seem to make it past 45%. Media bias they cry. No, it's because no other president turned out to be such a useless POS. Every day he goes out of his way to embarrass himself and this country. Ole" W Bush got outmatched and he can breathe easier these days. At least W wouldn't endorse a kiddie chaser. This weeks news we see the orange sex predator endorsing a pedophile. Didn't see that coming, huh? The meme below says it all with orange man-baby supporters.
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Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago
Poll: Most Countries Prefer Putin Over Trump. Maybe Trump will bring the world closer, just not according to his plans.

Not just America, The world, too, is not enamored by The Donald. Out of a list of 37 countries surveyed by the Pew Research Center in Washington, 22 of them said they trusted Russian President Vladimir Putin to do the right thing on matters of world affairs more so than they trusted the U.S. president. Even though Putin does not rank well, he is better than Trump in most of the nations we surveyed.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So what American with any political sense , holds the world opinion of Trump in high regard ?
  
  Besides Joe Scarborough .
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Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago
Continue...
Greeks, with 50% take Putin’s word on world matters over Trump’s. Only 19% Trump.
Putin over Trump? Vietnam, by a difference of 79% to 58%.

Germany! 25% for Putin over 11% Trump is more apt to do right by them.
Mexicans surveyed say they’d trust Trump by 5℅ Putin garnered 19%.
South Korea, 27% prefer Putin over Trump at 17%. Sad.
Colombia, prefers Putin with 23% Trump, who ranks at 15%.

Three countries that trust Trump most are Philippines (69%), Israel (56%) and Nigeria (58%).

In other words, the U.S. is seen as meddling in world affairs more than the Russians.The U.S. stands out in the fear-factor, with 47% saying it is a “major threat to our security.” Only 30% of Canadians think so.
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stephenteacherposted 6 years ago
As Donald Trump repeatedly says, he is NOT the president of the rest of the world, but The United States. I could give a rip about what anyone else thinks. Were we not just talking about outside influence on an election? Yet we seem to think the people of france or merkel should set our presidential preference.... Obama went all over the world apologizing, bowing, and it all it got him was snickers in the background. The world loved running all over the US the past 8 years. Dang straight I like a man who will stand up TO THE REST OF THE WORLD! What would you think if Japan decided that DC was just not up to snuff... and racist...so their embassy will be in San Francisco? Isreal's capital is in Jerusalem. End of story. We are just so scared of the rest of the world...when it should be the REST of the world scared of us. I'd tired of the whimpy past 8 years when we got walked all over.
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  Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Stephen,
  
  Colonialism and intimidation, the rightwing mantra? Is this not true, teacher? Lincoln debated with Stephen Douglas over just such a concept, America being the terror of the world rather than apositive example to emulate, it was obvious even back then who was the progressive and who was the rightwinger. Is this the kind of stuff that you use to teach?
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  Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  One other reason Putin is more popular is the BRICS.
  Trump has hurt relationship with Cuba. Spread violent Islamic extremism in the Middle East and Africa to the nuclear ‘deal’ with Iran and Russia’s antics. The US greatest beating are coming from the BRICS countries.
  
  Brazil, seen as one of the traditional US allies, along with Australia, Britain, Egypt, France, Germany, the Philippines, South Korea and Ukraine, are amongst the group that have recently joined forces with Beijing in the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), despite Washington’s warnings. This is being viewed as a huge slap in the face for the Americans. China surpassed the US as Brazil’s largest trade partner. Also established a strong foothold in typically American dominated Latin America. “After a decade of enhanced relations, the China-Latin American relationship has matured, and policies and practical.. There are a host of issues where the US and China are codependent, but are often seen as not speaking to one anothe
  
  To summarize, the state of relations between Washington and Moscow are broken and are at their lowest point since the end of the Cold War.
  
  Then we have the last BRICS member, South Africa,
  
  Fast forward 20 years and the two countries are still arguing over chicken.South Africa has been taxing poultry imports from the US
  
  Russia is going in the right direction, not the US. Even Trump mobster can not frighten worldwide countries together with wars, prisons and a jealous God with angels.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Will you stick by Trump if he's proven to have colluded with Russia, Stephen?
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stephenteacherposted 6 years ago
Colluded with russia? Hillary clinton has so many ties to russia... you people also forget that hillary and the DNC paid for that "dossier," from russia...then the US govt used that info to eavesdrop on trump. DNC money was funneled to russians... and of course when all is said and done, people will once again be reminded that john podesta's (hillary's campaign chairman) brother tony podesta, was a lobbyist for a russian bank. Paul manafort worked for a ukraine firm that also employed tony podesta. There is no collusion on trump's part. And what is the difference between any "collusion," and obama parading world leaders out to tell americans NOT to vote for trump? How many news stations kept repeating the president of mexico, urging the united states to stop trump? Comey, FBI, mueller, lynch, NSA, hillary, obama, susan rice,....they all stink in this mess.... just wait until a real investigation starts, as rep congress is vowing to do.
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That was an epic non-answer. It had every deflection in the Trump supporter play book.
  
  Hillary, DNC, Obama, Comey, Mueller....you even threw in a Susan Rice. A little light on the fake news mantra, though.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Kinda like a horse of a different colorful, eh Pretty?
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, I'm a sucker for word play. Clever!
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Ha! That was the vaguest comment I thought I could get away with.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Who are you guys trying to kid as liberals don't give two shots about the issues at hand or the solutions to them , No one's fooling anyone , it's simply obstruct ---obstruct ---obstruct ,
  AS usual , your hypocrisy " slip is showing ".............:-]
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  To use the words obstruct and hypocrisy in the same sentence when you've got a representative named McConnell is laughable. He is the king of biding his time and is one of the main reasons for the low approval rating that Congress has because of his obstruction to every thing proposed prior to Trump. And it's funny, Trump supporters have no problem believing the polls on Congress' approval ratings, but when it comes to their messiah, it's all fake news. You want to talk hypocrisy, start there.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Valeant , All on the left as such hypocrisy abounds . Now CNN is backtracking saying they had their dates wrong on Trump / Russia E -mail connections, Msnbc had a laughingly stupid take- back after the same false media B.S . ABC is shuffling idiotic anchors because of false accusations and collusion reporting time-lines , Gonna sea a whole new face on our media soon. You'll be left holding the empty media bag and the new faces will leave you behind
  
  Your Trump Derangement frat party is blowing a head gasket , ----join the club .
  
  It's okay though , you apologies will be heartily excepted .
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Here is the difference between real media and fake media. CNN acknowledges their mistake. Fox News puts out a headline about one of Roy Moore's victims Forging the evidence, then quietly changes the headline with zero acknowledgement. Where's your outrage on that one? Oh yeah, conservatives can do no wrong in your rose-colored world.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Well yeaaaa.!
  
  Except the deep rose colored glasses .........are your sides.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Was that a yes or no, Stephen? Are you another of those who dislike to answer questions and only give opinions like others on these forums? Try again.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently so! Weeding 'em out, guys.
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Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago
Republicans in the house and senate are obstructing the Russia investigations as best they can. Grassley--Ranking senator on the Senate intel committee--refused to allow Jr's testimony to be seen live and refused to tell him he wasn't covered under attorney/client privilege.

Nunes, is back as ranking member of the house intel committee so we'll see more running to Trump as he did before. I hope people remember who protected a traitor when the time comes for Trump to exit the scene. I sure will!
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Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago
So far there are over 400,000 documents and half a dozen or so electronic devices seized, as well as, many search warrants executed in Mueller's investigation. The pace of indictments has increased, and according some intel members, there will be more shortly. Those who support Trump aren't savvy enough to know Mueller will not show his hand until it's a Royal Flush.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So you like actual evidence ? Wow , unheard of the general left ! Here's the kicker though , Who does all the collusional evidence point directly towards ? THAT is the question and the outcome of Mueller that the left is extremely blind to .
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  We on the left would be just fine if Mueller's investigation led him towards Clinton and if he found evidence of any crimes she committed, indict her too. Because the only person indicting criminal politicians right now is Mueller. He's the one actually draining the swamp, and if his investigations leads to a more moral and democratic government, we're all for it.
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Agree100%.
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  And here's a big difference between the parties. Franken, Conyers were condemned by their own party and resigned. You've got Moore with credible accusers as well as Trump, and yet nothing. In terms of holding criminals accountable to their crimes, there is no question which party holds the moral high ground right now.
  
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bill Clinton. I'm talking right now folks.
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I am, at the moment, quite pleased with how my party is handling the sexual harassment allegations. Their actions were, of course, spurred by the females among them. This is what happens when more women are in positions of power.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Don't forget however , Mueller's presence and power is absolutely controlled by the executive office ; Pres.Trump . He serves directly at the pleasure of the president , and has only proved so far that his overall organized investigation is leaking to the media and obviously ideologically flawed .
  
  These facts cannot be denied . You're all putting to way much power in the outcome's possibilities . Paving the way for MORE leftist ideological embarrassment !
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Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago
I wish the left and right side of man come together a be a whole man.

Yes, a real man.
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stephenteacherposted 6 years ago
Why ask us silly questions, if you don't want the same silly questions on your own saints? I put up with 8 friggin years of obama and asked over and over, how can you still vote for this guy that colludes with iran, cuba, et. el? But instead of constantly whining, crying, looting, rioting, sniveling,....I joined people THAT VOTED! First in 2010, then 2012, then 2016. House, Senate, White House. The sad thing is, if people asked questions like this of hillary and obama, we got called names. Over and over. Somehow to question them was antiwoman and racist. We were told to shut up and respect the office. Okay, I'll turn it back on them. be quiet and respect the office. And believe you me, I and millions of Americans thought Obama disrespected the office on a daily basis. That pallet of American dollars at the feet of iranian terrorists was deplorable. Nobody in the Obama administration has been held accountable for ANYTHING! Nobody. Too funny about comey. Democrats called for his head and to be fired on the spot.....
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blueheronposted 6 years ago
Almost all polls are mere PR tools rather than honest and unbiased efforts to seek real information. I've seen analyses of several in which there is a great deal of "cooking the books," sometimes by the wording of the question and sometimes by a rather remarkable selectiveness about whom they poll. As with much modern "scientific research," they are designed to produce a predetermined result.

I'm not pleased with all of Trump's policy decisions, but I am pleased to see the MSM (and Hollywood) exposed for what they are. The swamp draining seems to be moving along, if more slowly than many of us hoped.
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blueheronposted 6 years ago
I'm always a little surprised when young people support policies that destroyed their job prospects and jacked up their tuition (and hence student loan debt) to "infinity and beyond." If you are a liberal who has or hopes to have a government job (most of them), you might want to have a look at the financial conditions in your state and local government, especially vis-a-vis your pension.
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There are a lot of bottom dwellers who think that if a lie is repeated enough that it becomes true . "Trump colluded with Putin to alter the process of the US elections " .Does it become so because the media says so? Because the left says so ? No !

By the time this "special investigation "is over , The obstructionists are going to look completely full of shyt , the media is going to be looking for jobs in finance and education and the oppositions voice ? The silence will be deafening .

Until a new and improved false cause comes along !
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blueheronposted 6 years ago
I'm also often puzzled when liberals' sources of information are none other than corporate media. I think it's 6 corporations that control all the major media in the US, all of them controlled by a small number of people. There has also been some documentation that some of the major media get their marching orders from the CIA.

Is all the excitement about Trump's imminent downfall perhaps related to the email he supposedly received from Wikileaks? The one that all the major media so breathlessly reported? The one where the major media falsified the date? (Or their sources falsely reported the date, and--wait for it!--no one bothered to check.) http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-1 … cle-ages-0
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  Dean Traylorposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Just curious, do you have an address or information to support the claim that the CIA has been giving "marching orders" to major media groups?
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
People fail to look at the "numbers " to gain what political intelligence is needed for mature and independent thought ; For instance , If 84% of the news media is slanted towards one ideology ,I mean Doesn't one's imagination kick in and say Okay that means 84 % of the "news " is going to be slanted to that ?

Required course for the left ; Learn to free think not group think 101 .

A few people in these forums don't like it much when I use the terms . shallow , naive , immature and sophomoric when I am in political mode . Yet , look at the leftist media on any issues , it appears to me that most news media writer's today are still in high school and JUST learning to post on face -book .
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
Valeant ,As a matter of fact why are so many alt -liberals taking to silencing real debate from the right by publishing articles instead of forum answers ? Let me answer , so they can delete the answers they don't like .

Why don't you try that category .
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Uh, maybe because you make money from the articles. And there are plenty of conservative contributors here posting articles as well.
  
  Again with the rose-colored glasses.
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  Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Let's face it ahorseback, you are getting it from all sides. You, the exemplary righty? When 9 of 10 people tell you you are drunk it is time to sit down.
  
  The ugliness of the Right can easily be gleaned as found in your discourse.
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  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I would have to say that when 9 out of 10 people are far more drunk than you can imagine, it's time to look at them and laugh. The ugliness of the right? Seriously? Does anyone on the left have the ability to grasp the concept of "hypocrisy?" There is an old saying the left should hear. It goes "Look at your own home before you complain about my grass." The left has denied people to get coffee because they've had on a Donald Trump hat. They're so afraid of the right telling the truth they prevent speakers from the right from speaking on campuses. They physically abused Trump supporters regularly at his rallies. Let us not forget it was a Democrat who shot Republican congressmen. The list goes on and on. We won't even speak about regular creation of fake news by the left. The left is upset because they can't stop President Donald Trump. Not with all their dirty tricks, lies, physical intimidation as well as violence. What a shame reality crushes the left's fantasy world and it upset them.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently you are one of the 32% who still approve of him, Mike. Watch the numbers fall in the coming weeks and months. What's your bailout number? 10% or less than that?
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  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Randy, I hope I know you when President Donald Trump is elected to a second term. I will enjoy seeing how you react to it. I don't think I'll enjoy it as much as watching the liberals during his first election, but it will be very enjoyable.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Ha !+++++++++++
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  And I'll enjoy your confusion when Trump is charged with numerous crimes. One of us is wrong..
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  And the naivete of that portion of the alt-left that thinks if they attack the opposition with the usual terms like ignorance , bigotry, racism , ....etc.they will just feel threatened and shut up ?
  
  That 'ain't me . Got an argument ,bring it on , lets talk about it seriously , stop with the childishness or stay on the porch.with the little doggy's .
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Valeantposted 6 years ago
You mean the hypocrisy of the left holding those accused of sexual assault accountable while the right elects them to office? Or how Obama golfed too much? Or took too many costly vacations? Or perhaps how the right is pro-life, until GOP lawmakers need an abortion for their mistress? Or how we should lock her up but go ahead and lie to the FBI? Or how the national debt is a bad thing, until we want a tax cut for the rich?

Hypocrisy abounds with both parties Mike, so don't claim the left holds a monopoly there.

And fake news is prevalent on both sides. Just today on Fox News (yes, I watch Fox News occasionally), there was a story how Jones was up ten points on Moore. That story was clearly false, but pumped out there nonetheless to fire up the GOP voters in the state.
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  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Huh? Elect them to office? How about Al Franken, Anthony Weiner, Bill Clinton, John Conyers for starters. The story you mentioned was based on a poll. Geeeze...they had conducted a poll. How was reporting the results of poll false? The left is so far down the rabbit hole they don't know fact from fiction. Anybody who tells me President Donald Trump lies and then is a Hillary Supporter, they've define the term "hypocrisy."
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Were any of them accused prior to them being elected?
  
  You're saying you actually believe the poll they put out had Jones 10 points up and wasn't fabricated? Then you've just proved the point I'm trying to make.
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  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Valeant, see there is this thing unknown concept to liberals called "proof." Now this is difficult because it's been my experience that liberals don't understand "facts." Start with this one, it's not fabricated because YOU believe it's fabricated. To back up such a claim requires "facts" which lead to "proof." It requires more than assumptions and innuendo.
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Wait, so the media doesn't lie then? We're not supposed to know a lie when we see it? We have to have proof of a lie before recognizing it as such? You know, like when someone claims his crowd size was the largest ever, but we can look at a photo and know it's a lie?
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Angel Guzmanposted 6 years ago
Looking forward to 2018.
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blueheronposted 6 years ago
Dean Taylor, you asked for information to support the claim that the CIA has been giving "marching orders" to major media groups. Here's one example: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ … ld%203.JPG

One of the more notable cases was Udo Ulfkotte, who's book "Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News," was published in 2014. He didn't live too long after that. https://nationalvanguard.org/2017/01/ge … then-dies/

Then of course there is Operation Mockingbird, a CIA-based initiative to control mainstream media. You can read about it here: http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 … -academia/

There is lots of information available on this subject. Surely you must realize that government control of the media, including the entertainment media and music industry, is a matter of critical importance in shaping public opinion. Then there is the matter of control of academia.

Ahorseback has sometimes described some of those posting here as naive. Do you suppose that the world's power brokers leave public opinion and public values and social mores to chance?
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  Dean Traylorposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Blue Heron,
  I checked out those sites. And to be frank, I'm pretty shocked...that these were used as sources. First off, do you realize that National Vanguard is splinter group/publication of National Alliance? These are white supremacist sites (and the originator of it has been convicted of having underage material, too -- not exactly a model of integrity)
  Here's a link: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate … l-vanguard
  
  Collective -Evolution is way out there. It's also known as a click-bait site as well as a promoter of "woo" -- supernatural or conspiracy.
  Lastly, Zero Hedge is...well... here's a page that best describes it: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
  
  Now don't get me wrong: the CIA as well as other clandestine organizations have done some nefarious stuff, but the evidence in this matter is sketchy at best.
  Sorry, but I need credible evidence rather than conspiracies.
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blueheronposted 6 years ago
There are dozens of social "movements" that on close examination give a very strong impression of government/media social engineering. To me, as a woman, the feminist movement that began in the early 1970s stands out. Was the real agenda to improve the economic and social status of women?

By 1970, the US was broke (mainly from the Viet Nam War) and defaulted on its debts. That is, Nixon closed the gold window in 1971--and effective default. Inflation spun out of control throughout the 70s. The government needed women to join the workforce in large numbers, both to create a larger pool of taxable income and to disguise the ravages of inflation. The media threw all its weight behind this drive to get women into the workforce and continually denigrated the stay-at-home mom and housewife.

If in fact the purpose of the feminist movement had been to improve the status of women, it would have focused at least equally on strengthening their economic rights and status as mothers and homemakers.

The actual result of "women's liberation" has been to free men from all social, economic, and sexual responsibility--and place these burdens squarely on women.
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
An ideological following that believes Trump drinks too much diet coke and it's a real point of contention ;Is not one to be very informed about anything much ?
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Mr. DAPposted 6 years ago
Same polls that showed he couldn't win also
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Don't believe it then. Watch Fox and be happy!
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
Meltdown On The Left :

The lefts major meltdown of it's Trump Phobia Addiction is as obvious as a bad tooth ache . For years the left has enjoyed holding both of the ears of Barack Obama. He must have grown more tired of the Princes and Princess' of party Entitlement than of fighting with Congress !

Obama who measured his progress by the Socialist Media Bias and his illegitimate offspring of Academia Elitist's is now in overdrive to save his very un-presidential legacy , Shallow as each of these entities are ; He's worried that his now unprotected legacy by Hilary will melt like ice on an Arizona desert highway .

Now this phenomena of Trump draining Obama's entire swamp comes along and
has the nerve to not care what the media thinks , says or does !AND more than that treats this NEW left like the leper that it has morphed into -----AND THE LEFT SAYS WE DON"T LIKE YOU ?

Seriously - Do you REALLY think Trump cares about your established frog swamp media polls?

I know he doesn't !
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