Obama's Original Kenyan Birth Certificate available on ebay

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   Sprinkler Manposted 15 years ago

   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … 0345324422
   
   I also wrote a hub about this - feel free to check it out. I am glad someone finally has his original birth document.
   
   I am not sure why it has taken so long to get this information out in the public. Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves for not digging harder to find out more about the person running our country.
   
   Good Riddance.....
   
   Cached ebay auctions that were taken down by ebay.
   
   <no links please>

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      goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      there is a place here in Downtown LA where you can be born anywhere in the world. for twenty bucks. just let me know if you want to be Obama's sister or something like that too, that can be arranged for an additional fee.

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      Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah...about that birth certificate.  It seems to be no longer available on the above link.  I wonder who bought it?  Maybe the same guy who bought the potato chip with the face of Christ?

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      JamaGeneeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Silly me for getting back on topic, but Obama's birth cert didn't become an issue until his father's mother came forward and claimed he was born in Kenya.
      
      As a genealogist with 25+ years experience proving and disproving "facts" in family stories, I'm amazed that anyone would believe the grandmother's story.
      
      First, she claimed to remember the details of the birth of *a* grandchild...not THE ONLY grandchild, but A grandchild...over 40 years earlier.  FORTY years!  Right there makes her story doubtful. 
      
      And why this particular grandchild's birth?  Did he exit the womb with "Future U.S. president" tattooed on his forehead? 
      
      NO. 
      
      Second, she was the mother of a man who was little more than a sperm donor.  Only married Obama's mother because she was pregnant.  Not the same as having a long engagement and taking his beloved to meet the family in Kenya before the wedding. 
      
      And there's the real spoiler.  For Obama to have been born in Kenya, his mother would've had to BE in Kenya.  Although the grandmother is touted as a "reliable source" for the "born in Kenya" story, no one has come forth with travel documents showing Obama's mother left Hawaii while she was pregnant.
      
      Even if there had been money to do so, why on earth would she forego Hawaii with its clean, modern hospitals to give birth for the first time in what amounted to a mud hut?
      
      And why is it only the grandmother with a memory weakened by age who remembers a white girl giving birth in the village, but no one else does?  Seems to me the arrival of a very pregnant white girl would be remembered by the entire village, not just the grandmother.
      
      As for why Obama doesn't "produce the documents", at the time he was born his parents were two young "nobody" college students, neither from rich or powerful families. Besides a birth certificate, what documents could any of <b>us<b/> provide to prove where we were born??? 
      
      To paraphrase comedian Jerry Lewis, 'for those who doubt, no proof will suffice'.  Obama was born in the U.S. state of Hawaii.  Period.  Get over it.

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         Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, God, no kidding.  On so many levels, this is laughable.  I didn't know about Obama's grandmother's thing.  I simply know that at the level he is at--even as a senator from IL--he would have had to produce documents as to his citizenship standing for security clearance.

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            JamaGeneeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            And again when he became a U.S. senator.  Before that, when he applied for a Social Security card and a passport. Documents for which he had to show proof of citizenship long before he  thought of running for prez.

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               Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               A judge has upheld the lack of official proof. Until that case is decided, which is on its way to the Supreme Court, you can sniff at this situation all you like. There still isn't proof of his natural-born citizenship.

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   JonTutorposted 15 years ago

   Gosh... When is this BS gonna stop????

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      All the time there are right-wing christianist fascists prepared to hand over money for a copy of this - it will continue. I wish I had thought of it first.

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         JonTutorposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         @Mark It's never too late .... A fool and his money are soon parted....LOL

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         tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You always have to slip in your bigotry no matter the topic, don't you?

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            Sprinkler Manposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            knowless is such a simpleton, I pay her no mind. How could I? The only thing she does is sit at her computer and wait for me to type something
            
            She is in the running for the most ignorant post of the week award.

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               fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Why you keep referring to Knowles as a female. And seriously, you think that document is for real? On Ebay for heaven's sake! You can buy Bigfoots toenails on Ebay for pete's sake! You're the simpleton, really.

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                  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL It's a long story, search the forums for his name, he did not post too much. You'll have fun

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                     fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Really. I'll do that. I'm always up for a laugh.

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                  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  How much are the toenails fiery?

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   Garrett McLeeposted 15 years ago

   This is amusing, are we sure it's real and not a forged document?

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      nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Are you casting aspersions on the Kenyan Civil Service?

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   Mishaposted 15 years ago

   Sprinkle sprinkle little star

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   SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

   If anyone is interested I will be willing to sell pristine paper towels for three dollars a piece.  These are highly valuable pieces of paper, and worth more than that phoney birth certificate lol.  I noticed this ebay item was removed.

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   Pestposted 15 years ago

   my original Hastings Michigan birth certificate is available on wellhungdudes.com.  i was banned due to lack of content, much like my hubs here.

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      goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      did anyone sign the certificate?

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         Pestposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         nobody was available so i signed ....  i am my own father now.

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            goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            you sleep with your mother?

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               Pestposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               uhhhhh not that i recall.  anything is possible during a blackout1t tho.   i sleep on a couch.  you ever read my crap??????

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                  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I read it, me GT, AE and Anna know after all we slept on it with you when we came over recently. A bit squashy but all good, wink, nudge, say nomore

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                  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  all of it, even the ones that got banned. You're behind raiderfan though, he just got his fourth one banned today.

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                     blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     What the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        yep. not even 24 hours.

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                           blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Omg that totally sucks I was just looking for it. Why do they have it in for Raider???? He totally rocks. He is one of my favourite writers on Hubpages, quite a few of my friends have wanted to sign up because they love that guy!!!

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   Maddie Ruudposted 15 years ago

   Because everything on EBay is genuine.  The grilled cheese sandwiches are holy, the magic diet pills really do make you lose 50 lbs over night.

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   Dolores Monetposted 15 years ago

   but wait one cotton pickin' minute... I thought they said that Obama's real father was a pinko poet. Which is it?

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   fierycjposted 15 years ago

   Why the hell is raiderfan being banned for?

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      goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      just his hubs. Its adult material even though everyone here is real old.

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         blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I feel so sorry for him. He puts in all that hard work, and poof it is gone..I am certainly adult enough to read it. Aren't we all???????

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            Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry, says clearly in our TOS, no adult material.  Honestly, I'm surprised he keeps posting these stories as hubs, when it's clear that I'm going to have to take them down.  There are other places to post such things, including on a private blog.  Seems like a waste of time to post 'em here--both his time, and mine.

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               goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               yes, I agree, he should leave.

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                  Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Ha.  Cuz that's exactly what I said.

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                     goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     good for you.

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               Teresa McGurkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I've been watching the work of Raiderfan with some interest.  It is raunchy and lewd, certainly.  But there is a definite and quite complex creative angle to each piece, and often a real sadness in them that belies the poor spelling and grammar, and indicates a real talent at work. 
               Of course, if this is counter to HubPages TOS then the work should be withdrawn.

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                  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks Teresa in regards to the work, on the TOS they are too inconsistent with their policies.

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                     Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Toad, you sound extremely defensive.  I'm sorry if I offended you by saying there is another venue for adult content.  I of course never meant for you to leave entirely.
                     
                     As far as policy, if you'd like to email me for clarification, I'm sure we can work out how you can write these pieces without violating our terms.  As far as inconsistancy, I cannot possibly find all adult content myself.  I am sure there are hubs that are more "adult" than yours still published, but not because of deliberate discrimination on my part; probably because I simply haven't seen them.  If you see something in a similar vein to the work that was moderated, please flag it so that it comes to my attention.

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                        goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes you said you wanted me to leave. I see a tremendous amount of hubs that are much more provocative than raiderfan. There is no set standards though they claim there is.

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                           Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           I can see, in retrospect, how you might have inferred that, but that's not actually what I said (and when I said, "that's exactly what I said" I was actually joking... I thought it was clear sarcasm, since I said nothing of the kind, but I apologize for the misunderstanding).  I said there is a different place to publish those specific hubs.
                           
                           Again, I apologize for the several misunderstandings that appear to have happened in this thread, but I'd prefer not to do a back-and-forth in the forums, since it's clearly making things worse.  If you'd like to email me, I'm sure we can work this out.

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                              goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Sure. Only for raiderfan or Pest. Even as goldentoad I have written plenty that should have been flagged.

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                                 Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 Well, none of them have been brought to my attention.  Raiderfan's hubs have been consistantly flagged by the community, so they're quickly brought to my attention.
                                 
                                 I'm not sure what you want to achieve here.  I'm happy to work this out with you, but I don't want to be drawn into a back-and-forth here, with no clear goal of resolution.  As I added in my edit to the previous post, please email me if there's something I can do to clarify.  I'd apologize again for the misunderstanding, but I'm not sure you're open to hearing me at this point.

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                                    goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    What's there to work out, you are not going to bring them back, you've spoken your thoughts and the community's thought on raiderfan. The hubs are banned, but I know more than just myself laughed at them.

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                                       Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       I laughed, too.  But that doesn't change the fact that, as they are written, they are against our terms.
                                       
                                       If there's nothing I can help you with, no clarification or reassurance or apology I can provide that will be satisfying to you, I guess I'm finished here.

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                                          goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          "they are against our terms"
                                          But its okay to advertise for wives from china, or BBWs in my area? Hubs on panties, and showing rear ends, and thousands of pics of minors from India get through all the time.
                                          Its all good though.

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                                          rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          dude no respect to you brother but give it up, she the boss and as bad as it sounds she gets to make the calls

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                              goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              What makes it worse? Everyone already knows.

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    fierycjposted 15 years ago

    Hey, Golden Toad, how do you have so many fans without having any hubs?

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       goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I used to CJ, have almost 60 of them.

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          Randy Behaviorposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Golden Boy, why did you take them down this time?

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             goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Going to quit.

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                Randy Behaviorposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Why?

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                   goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   censors, lame policies, hypocrisy.

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                      Randy Behaviorposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      So in protest then for the sake of other hubbers?

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                         goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         For Myself.

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                            Randy Behaviorposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            So did they take some of your stuff down too?  Sorry I'm so out of the loop, I don't generally read the forums.

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                               goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               I am Raiderfan.

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                                  Randy Behaviorposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                  Guess that's what I was trying to ask.  I remember when they did that to Pest too.  Enough said, I'll leave you be.

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    Writer Riderposted 15 years ago

    Let go of the lynching, I mean "really!"

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    The policies of Hubpages are pretty much those of Google Adsense.  Given that I actually see Hubpages gives quite a bit of lee way when it comes to publishing content.

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    LOL You are?!

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    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    Pest was banned? geezz...where was I

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       Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       No.  Just one hub on that account was moderated.

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          goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          his best work was banned though he tried to correct it to fit standards, he told me all about it. There is no set line.

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    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    thanks Maddie. He is such a adoreable HP member.

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    I'm just curious as to what exactly was the complaint against Raiderfan hubs?  Language?  Explicit content?  Evidently not photographs...

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       goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       evidently blurry pics of women kissing are too much

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          Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Nope, not pictures.  Sexual descriptions/content.

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          Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          That's it?

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             Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             No, see above.

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                goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Yes it was sexual, it was raunchy but there are plenty of other hubs that are not being held to the same standard. Everyone knows it too.

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                   Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   I'll say again, please flag them so they come to my attention.

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                      goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      sorry but I, as an adult, don't believe them to be offensive and besides what deserves to be flagged and which don't?
                      You got a set of words? Pics?

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                         Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         Whether or not they're offensive is not the issue.  They're against our rules.  If you choose not to flag them, that's up to you, but then you can't complain if others flag yours.
                         
                         Perhaps I need to write a hub about what constitutes adult content, to go with those on overly promotional and substandard hubs.  In the meantime, please reference our FAQ and AdSense's program policies.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    Then maybe you should flag those other hubs so Maddie knows what you are talking about...
    
    Sorry, I don't get the controversy... the TOS are quite clear to me...

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    Tom Cornettposted 15 years ago

    Just curious....does it take one flag to delete a hub or multiple flags?  Can we know who flagged our hub?

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       Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It takes just one flag or no flags at all, if hub breaks the TOS. And no number of flags get the hub moderated if it does not. Flag is just an email to Maddie

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    Well, I think the blurriness comes with the fact that many people see Hubpages as a place to hang out...when in fact it is a business mainly about advertising. In all reality, though, it seems to be a bit of both.
    
    *edit:  And reading the other comments, now, I would say 'standards of decency' concerning censorship are always a bit blurry and all.   Sigh...

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    Ivorwenposted 15 years ago

    Flags get the hub looked at by the staff.  If it not acceptable, then they do something.  Flagging an article will not get it ban, unless it is truly breaking TOS.

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    goldentoadposted 15 years ago

    so what about the advertising that goes on? That's not distasteful? That's okay to request wives from China? BBWs?

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       Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You should report inappropriate ads to Google AdSense.  Adult ads are against their rules.  You can also use your competative ad filter to block certain advertisers, if they are distasteful to you, but don't actually break AdSense's TOS.

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          goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          The site allows them but not the writing. Its a business deal.

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             Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You are missing the point GT. HP does not control the content of ads, it's a Google thing.
             
             If anybody is hypocritical here, it is Google...

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       Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You should report inappropriate ads to Google AdSense, and/or block them using your AdSense competative filter.  They won't usually show up on hubs that aren't adult-themed anyway.

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       Mrvoodooposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I love Raiderfans hubs, but I gotta ask:
       
       What's distasteful about a Chinese wife or a BBW?

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       Ivorwenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       While the subject has turned to distasteful ads, last night I saw an ad that said "Grow Weed Indoors" on one of my hubs.  Illegal! 
       
       How do we find out what to block, since we cannot click on our own adds?

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    nazishnasimposted 15 years ago

    Let's all here do an experiment here, shall we? We may have to 'corrupt' a child for this purpose. Or let's say we are all 'very intelligent' so we can all shift ourselves in the shoes of a child. *Proceeds*
    
    Type 'sex' and search for it's hubs. Even 'sexy' would do.
    
    *clears her throat to deliver a sermon*
    
    " Sexy photos of Tamali actress ... Nude photos ... Photos in the rain ... Now let's refresh our memories regarding Raiderfan's hubs ... 'banged my wife' , 'blue balls', ' nice azz', 'smart azz'. So I say, that unless the 'child' is already aware of the meaning of the words I have just mentioned he/she wouldn't have naything to loose. If he already knows, no harm done. If he doesn't know then he doesn't know. So either he does know or doesnot know; no in betweens - no 60% knowing or 30% knowing that Raider's hubs would have helped him learn more. So let's all think about this issue as adults; adults who make mistakes. Let's just all call 'a spade a spade when it's a spade'. Raiderfan was a 'a smart azz' ... a very 'smart azz'  *prays not to get banned for saying 'smart azz'* , so let's just ask him to come back or ask him not to leave if he hasn't already left. He is one of the very few hubbers who make us all laugh. And think. Who has 'real talent'. We don't have too many of them here do we? Most of the hubs are 'informative copy paste material from google'. Let's do this so we won't twist in our sleeps 'cause 'you all know too that this is not fair'. Enough said."
    
    *wonders off yonder for some strong crack*

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       agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I'm not quite sure if I understood your sermon shorty but it was beautifully delivered.
       btw :did you find any?

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          nazishnasimposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Vulpes,
          
          Translation : I meant 'shortly' that since Raider's hubs had no graphic profanity (just admitted by somebody above) nor any explicit profance language content (just proved by 'yours truly' above ), so there is no reason why his hubs should have had been flagged.
          
          And find what dear?

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       Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       And did you flag all those hubs that break the TOS?

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          nazishnasimposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          *sniff sniff* I smell typical old lady material here! Plus, I love GT or raiderfan ... he is my friend, and if you really donot have the comprehension to make out that I did or didnot flag those hubs from my post above then ... Help You God!
          
          P.S. Bugger off old lady , you will never be able to coax a fight outa me *struts off*

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    SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago

    I can't help but get back on subject...
    
    why is it that the Obama administration and his room full of lawyers don't just submit the documentation that these people want to see, i.e. Obama's long form birth certificate, all levels of school records of the US and other countries, US financial aid information, etc...
    why not just give them everything they want and be done with it...is there some reason they will not do that to prove his eligibility to be president??

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       Ivorwenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       There are probably a number of reasons. 
       
       1.  When I have asked similar questions elsewhere, I have been told that it was Obama's Grandmother who claimed he was born in Kenya.
       
       2.  Getting a birth certificate in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth only took the parents saying he was born there, and filling out some paper work.
       
       3.  Not that this matters so much now that the election is over, but McCain was not born in America.  He was born to USA military parents serving in Panama.  In this day and age, a child born to two USA citizens is automatically a USA citizen, but when McCain was born, that was not the ruling.
       
       As someone who has had children at home and gone through the process of getting a birth certificate, I know that the system is not without flaws.  With my first home birth, all that was needed was to go to the hospital with the baby, and fill out paper work.  By the time my last one was born, I needed two notarized letters from people, stating that they knew I was pregnant, and they knew of the babies birth, stating the date and place of birth. 
       
       The reason for the change is people where taking babies to the hospital and getting SS# for children that they did not have!
       
       Here is an article that I came across before the election, stating some of the pitfalls of not having full disclosure before the election.  http://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

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       Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, it'll all come out . . . at the "proper" time . . .

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    iamqweenbeeposted 15 years ago

    This is absurd. His Hawaiian BC was recognized and the frivolous lawsuit against him for non-citizenship was thrown out of court. What is it that these people need to see, as citizenship has already been proven? If they want to see a BC from Kenya, then that's probably why they haven't seen one because it does not exist.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    His American birth certificate has already been substantiated.  Not sure why people are still even debating this issue, and if you are it is time to find another topic.

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       rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       does your way of thinking have anything to do with why your state is in debt?

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          SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          What a ridiculous comment.  Can you at least use proper capitalization and not ask such silly questions.

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          Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          of course it does - but they never get that part

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             SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Well I am not the government of the state of California, so the comment is overly ridiculous.  Basically it is a ridiculous personal attack not based on any facts, but this group is comfortable attacking anyone that does not support their rigid world view.  Anyway, I find it discriminatory that people are still questioning Obama's birth certificate, and people would not be doing this if he were Caucasian-American.  The point of a free election is to accept that sometimes your opposition wins, but some just cannot move on.
             
             However, we do hear of how people in Iran such as Ahmadinejad and his loyal supporters constantly making false accusations towards any type of opposition, which shows how that type of thinking begets dictatorship.  The person who made this original pot shot towards me had to look up my profile and make some odd little comment about where I live.

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                tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                How did you come by that conclusion?

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                   SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   It is 100% evident because whenever white Democratic politicians were running for office these type of pot shots never came into play. Nevertheless, I noticed that the same people who attack Obama's birth certificate are the same ones who think I am solely responsible for the dismal state of California's economy, which happens to have a Republican governor by the name of Arnold.  Also, I have visited many parts of the United States where some people still make discriminatory remarks, so it is pretty evident some people still think that way.

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                      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Sure there are still raicists, both Democrat and Republican. What white Democrat candidates had the kind of background where this sort of thing could be latched onto in the first place? This is a political thing, not a racial thing.

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                Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, you are the government of California. You're a citizen there and your vote counts. That's what "By the people and For the people" means.
                
                A judge has ruled that Obama was not properly vetted. To compare those who are looking into this to Ahmadinejad is an attack in itself.
                
                Saying this would not happen if Obama was white is another attack. I'd want to look into this no matter who he was, and your assumption that anyone who questions Obama is racist is logically incorrect and politically motivated.
                
                rastrother wasn't making a "pot shot" at you. He was drawing the connection between your assumption of Obama's legitimacy because "you want it to be so" rather than the facts before you, and the mess California is in and the idea that, as a citizen, you "had nothing to do with it".

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    Yes, yes, yes, you two above.  It's absurd.  And they wonder why nobody can take the Republican party and those pushing these claims seriously.  It's embarrassing/shameful their lack of common knowledge.

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    SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago

    according to the sources on the "right", the certificate that was posted as his, is a common certificate that anyone at that time could procure, regardless of where they were born. What the right wants to see is the official long form original of his country of birth, his school records from every school he ever attended, his passport/visa information (like from when he visited Pakistan in his early years, when US citizens were not allowed/given passports/visas)and financial aid records that would show his official status as a US citizen and need for aid.
    All legitimate documents to ask for to prove eligibility that Obama has spent millions on lawyers to conceal from the public...according to the "right's" sources.]
    
    It just seems odd that it would be very easy to show the public these documents to put an end to the debate of disbelief...why not just do so?

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       Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, that's what needs to happen. A judge in NJ has upheld the case and has named Congress, both the House and Senate, and Cheney and Pelosi as defendants - because it was their job to verify these things before swearing him in.

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    SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago

    well, hopefully it will be proved to be either laughable or truth, because many are spending a great deal of money to cover up truth and to expose truth...whose money is paying for the lawyers for Obama? It is said the current price tag is over 800,000 dollars...
    I want to see Constitutional legality followed on this, since so many other aspects of the Constitution have been slipping into oblivion since its inception.
    I am glad to see others interested in and working on  upholding our U.S. Constitutional freedoms, it is important for the integrity of the US government to be put on trial, it has gotten way too big and invasive.

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    ...to continue Jama Genee's line of thought...Making the whole scenario nothing more than a stunt, and one in extremely bad taste, and embarrassing to our country and to those who would propagate it.  Shows how far the other side has gone and what they are willing to do and spend...and really when it come down to it, for what?  Rush Limbaugh like stupid tactics.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    People still looking to argue about this issue must be very bored.  They just cannot accept the facts.  Here are some new wacky things for the conspiracy theorists who love to chase after phantoms:
    
    http://primarysources.newsvine.com/_new … y-theories

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    Yeah, well...but if those conspiracies are not partisan right-wing based, they aren't gonna be that interested you see.  But I definitely know exactly who NOT to take seriously now, .

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    rastrotherposted 15 years ago

    man all you people are about as smart as a soviet kgb spy, of coarse it's real thats why it was removed. we cant have the truth floating around now can we

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    I've often wondered how it would be if a white presidential candidate who had a father who was not American and had spent some time out of the country as a child would be treated. Of course...not one person here will admit that some (and I say some) people did not vote for Obama because he was not white.
    
    And it is impossible for me to believe that Obama has been able to fool every single American law enforcement agency and government agency. If that is so then how can you trust anyone in any office in your country?

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       Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       He didn't fool them. If this is true, then plenty of people knew about it. The real question is, what was the motivation behind it?
       
       And no, I don't trust any of them - either side.

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       If the other party could make hay with it? Of course they would. That's politics.

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       But a lot of people will admit they DID vote for him because he is (half) black.
       
       
       Both equally bad.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I agree, some people did vote for him just because he was black. But people vote for candidates for many reasons not to do with their policies, something I have always disliked.

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             tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             There are factors aside from policy positions that are legitimate reasons to vote for someone or not, but race is not one of them.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    Most of Obama's opposition knows that he is a US citizen, and they do not chase after ridiculous conspiracy theories to discredit people.  The analogy to Ahmadinejad and his loyal followers is very pertinent because any time they want to discredit someone they make up ridiculous rumors.  A few of those who try to discredit Obama are also creating propaganda similar to what we find in dictatorships.

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       Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What they do or don't know remains to be seen. What you want to believe, despite the facts before you, is something else altogether..

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       Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I think the best way of handling it is to just ignore threads like this. Let the conspiracy buffs debate with themselves all they want. There have been so many crazy theories about Obama, more than I have ever heard about any other politician in my lifetime. But then again, when I was younger the Internet did not exist and the only place wacky conspiracies were reported was in the tabloids.
       
       Of course, I tried to ignore this thread but had to comment because it keeps coming up to the top

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    Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago

    Corruption is all over the world ,often beginning in the oldest countries first.
    
    Western countries have become so arrogant, and I dont blame some of the eastern blocks for not wanting to be influenced by us ,or educated in their ways.
    It makes Democracy look like a joke ,when elderly are not looked after properly ,crime is outta control ,veterans suffer with inadequate care or medical bills. liberal laws,high rates of teenage pregnacys, sucides ,etc etc
    
    Obviously the Supremme Court were satisfied with Pres Obama's origins so why people keep asking is futile.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    Uninvited Writer,
    
    I usually ignore these threads, but I just felt like speaking out since this one is getting so weird.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    Every person voting has some political bias to some degree, that is very true.  What is over the top though is the amount of ridiculous threads circulating about Obama.  However, no amount of logic will stop the propaganda machine regarding the Obama birth certificate.

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It would be very easy to stop it, wouldn't it?

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    frankiectlusposted 15 years ago

    What I find amazing is that no one wants to admit one of the real reasons Obama did get elected. (Other than he deserved it). The Republican Party did a pretty good job of stonewalling themselves by electing McCain and Palin to run against him.  Just look what Palin is doing now.  When the going got rough, she turned her head and ran.  Would we really have wanted that type of leadership running our country?

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